1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: The game is over, New York. You play to win 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: the game. He's got a Jet toucksdown, can't. You're listening 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: to the Official New York Jets podcast, a Jets three 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: sixty production. What's up, everybody? Thanks for downloading the official 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Jets podcast? Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen in studio. He has 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: the final game of the regular season. It's coming. It's 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: crazy to think about that. Can people rate the podcast? Yeah, 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: of course, we appreciate a couple of ratings out there. 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Little reviews too, would be nice. Yeah, because I know 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: people are listening all across the nation, maybe around the 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: globe as well overseas. I'm sure we have a couple 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: overseas listeners, no doubt, I would say more than a few. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: But so yeah, rate us, tell us what you think, 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: tell us what you want to hear. Yeah, and the 15 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: off season season goes by quickly, but a long days. Um, 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: this is not the season in the New York Jets 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: or the fan base wanted. With that being said, uh, 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: you have a quarterback that is developing right in front 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: of your very eyes. Sam Donald's playing awfully while down 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: the stretch and went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: last week, and this was what this season was really 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: all about. When you turn the football over to the 23 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: number three overall pick in the two thousand and eighteen draft, 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: you wanted to see his development and him taking steps, 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: and that's certainly happening right now. That makes me awfully 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: excited and optimistic about the off season and what is ahead. Well, 27 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: I think you hit the nail on the head when 28 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: you look back on it really wasn't the year of 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: Sam Donald and his growth. And I think it's a 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: little bit bitter sweet, only because towards the end of 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: the year, these past couple of games, since he's returned 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: from injury, the offense has really seemed to find a stride. 33 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: And so of course You're mine is gonna wonder as 34 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: wander too. Okay, well, what if he played like that 35 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier? Could this be a different situation. 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: But regardless, it's all positive here knowing that Sam Donald 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: has taken these steps forward. I point back to Week 38 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: eight in Chicago when Olivia Landis caught up with Tony 39 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: Romo and he not that he called it, but he 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: he said, as most players do in their first to 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: second years, improved, But he said, you know, maybe he'll 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: see him take off towards the end of two thousand 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: and eighteen. And I think Sunday against the Packers was 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: a prime example of that. He had a career high 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: three forty one yards three touchdowns on rating. I mean, 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: he was really phenomenal Sunday. He's been very efficient with 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: the football, didn't turn it over. Like you mentioned, the 48 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: Jets are extending drives. They didn't have the third down 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: success Sunday against the Packers, but put up a lot 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: of points. And you're seeing the continued development of Robby 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Anderson and Chris Herndon, and those guys are gonna be around, 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: saying Donald for two thousand nineteen and likely beyond, especially Herndon. 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: We'll to see what happens with Robbie Anderson's contract and 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: enumber of these other guys. But these are young players 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: who the chemistry is growing. And Donald is playing really 56 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: well inside the pocket. He's stepping off, he's going through 57 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: his reads. Uh, he's also using his feet at times 58 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he continues to be awfully accurate 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: on the move, and that is that's a really unique skill. 60 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: I mean, we watched Patrick Mahomes and say he can 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: do things like that, but there aren't a lot of 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: guys in the league, I think who are as accurate 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: as Donald is, either rolling to the left or right 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: and he squares his shoulders too. That's that's taking years 65 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: of training and he's really adopted it. I think we've 66 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: seen or we saw flashes in the preseason, well exactly 67 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, rolling right, rolling left, being accurate 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: on the run. Remember him hitting Andre Roberts rolling left 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: early in the preseason game and you just kind of 70 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: take a second and said, Okay, well that that was 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: really nice. And now you're seeing it come to fruition 72 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: in live game actions when it counts. So I wonder 73 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: what Christa Hearn is ceiling and it's just watching him. 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Over the last couple of games, I think he had 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: eighty two yards receiving against the Pack six catches, that 76 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: one handed catch where Donald actually misfired on it, but 77 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: that catch was phenomenal by the way, for him to 78 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: stick his hand out, catch the ball and then absorbed contact. 79 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was really an impressive catch. Yeah. Yeah, 80 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: I just think that the Jets, I just we just 81 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: got up from the locker room. We're taping the sound Wednesday. 82 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I just talked to Spencer Long about what's happening here, 83 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: and he's been very impressed with Donald, his growth and 84 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: the steps he's taken. And he said he's always been 85 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: the same. He said that the same kind of personality, 86 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: the tomper nothing's really changed with him. But I also 87 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: asked him about this week in particular, how do you 88 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: guys go approaching this game knowing that New England could 89 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: be the number one seed. We discussed this earlier. We 90 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: didn't know if the Patriots could be the number one seed, 91 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: but in fact they can, yes. And the Jets meanwhile 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: on the other side of the coin, and they did, 93 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: they can finish five and eleven, and Spencer said, were 94 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: piste off. We're better right now because over the last 95 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: four games, the Jets have had fourth quarter leads in 96 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: every one of them and they've only been able to 97 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: win the one game when they come and then when 98 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: they came from behind against the Buffalo Bills. But you 99 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: think about Tennessee, they the sixteen nothing lead, that was 100 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: a game they should have won. You think about Houston 101 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: on a Saturday night where Eli McGuire's touched on in 102 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, gave this team a lead after our 103 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: fantastic Donald lad drive, and then last week you gotta 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: put on away your advantage in a fourth quarter. That's 105 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: a fifteen point doctor fit. And I don't think the 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: referees had a great game either, But I don't think 107 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: any of those guys in the locker room are saying 108 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: we shouldn't have finished. And I think the guys are 109 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: still better, and I would anticipate Green's they're gonna come 110 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: out and play well against Patriots. You mentioned Eli McGuire's 111 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: touchdown run against the Texans. I actually spoke to Calvin 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Beachum earlier today and I asked him about Eli McGuire 113 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: because if you recall, Eli was really forced to the 114 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: top of the depth chart because of two injuries, one 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: to Blow Powell and then to Isaiah Crowell, both on 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: injured reserve, So that left Eli at the top of 117 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: the depth chart only in a second year. And Calvin 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Beacham said that last year, when Eli was starting to 119 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: get a little more reps and saw him, they they 120 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: thought internally, wow, this guy could be a pretty special 121 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: player and do some good things for us. And he 122 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: was really excited to have Powell Crowell and McGuire all 123 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: there once. Obviously that didn't happen because Balal got hurt 124 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: and then while Eli McGuire was on ire and then 125 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: he got called up and blow went down. So it 126 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a revolving door at running back. 127 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: But I think it's a matter of time before elib 128 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: breaks one um and maybe it happens Sunday against the Patriots. 129 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very interested to see how the Patriots 130 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: try to defend the Jets because Bill Belichick over the 131 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: years has been, hey, i'm gonna make you play Leftana, 132 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take away what you do best. Well right now, 133 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: over the last few weeks, offensively, the Jets have been 134 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: doing a lot of things while they've been sticking with 135 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: the Ron sam Donolds has been playing awfully while taking 136 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: those eight four mentioned stuff that we're talking about. But 137 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: I would imagine Robby Anderson is going to see a 138 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: lot of safety coverage over the top and also gonna 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: be interested to see it now with Chris hernon continue 140 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: to develop what the Patriots gonna try to do there, 141 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: and especially considering the Jets injuries that wide receiver head 142 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: coach saw Bowl said that Quincy Noon has a slim 143 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: chance to play in week seventeen. And then Jermaine Cursed 144 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: did not practice Wednesday with an achilles injury, and the 145 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Jets are thin at receiver right now. So we'll see 146 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: what happens on Sunday and who steps up. But did 147 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: you see the Patriots right on the other side of 148 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: the ball. Like I said, the Jets gotta finish and 149 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: then you mean on offense, well, they gotta finish defensively 150 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: what we really think about. So the Patriots, UH did 151 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: not throw the ball very well last week against the 152 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, but they turned around and said, Okay, we're 153 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: gonna pound a football. We'll have to see how they 154 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: come out firing uh this week obviously dealing with some 155 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: issues in their own Josh Gordon taking an extend to 156 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: leave absence. UM. So they're changing on a fly. But 157 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: Patriots will be back in the playoffs again. I don't 158 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: think they're going to the super Bowl. I don't see it. 159 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: I feel like every week, every week you have a 160 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: new zing for the Patriots. That's the thing I would 161 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: tell maybe not a zing, but there's always a little 162 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: little chab at old um. I don't think their past 163 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: game is what has been in the past. He is 164 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: a good quarterback. He cannot defy. H Gregkowski has beaten up. 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: How about Week twelve when the Jets and Patriots first played. 166 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: Sam Donald did not play that game. Josh McCown did. 167 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Sam Donald had gotten hurt a couple of weeks prior 168 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: to that with a strained right foot. But James White 169 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: is really their primary offensive weapon. And James White only 170 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: had one catch against the Jets for five yards in 171 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: Week twelve. So the Jets did a great job against White, 172 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: and they're gonna need to do it again if they 173 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: want to be competitive in this game. Because James White 174 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: leads the Patriots and receptions and yards and he's their 175 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: second running back to Sony Michelle. The rookie had a 176 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Georgia and he has a total of eleven touchdowns. He's 177 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: really their offensive weapon, utility player, do it all, jack 178 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: of all trades, however you want to phrase it, however 179 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: you want to, whatever you want to call James White, 180 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: that's what he is. For Tony Mitchell one yards so 181 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 1: far rushing on the season. He's average about four and 182 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: a half a clip um with the big day against 183 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: the Jets. He could have reached the thousand yards as 184 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: rookie season, but like you mentioned, you got James White 185 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: who also he's averaging four point four yards to carry himself. 186 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: They viewed us Patterson as a rusher, as we know 187 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Edelman is the guy who is um I think you 188 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: with from a yards perspective. He's leading the team. And 189 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: then the second was Josh Gordon. So again they're gonna 190 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: have to make some adjustments here as we uh going 191 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. And Chris Hogan, I don't know what's 192 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: happened there. He's still averaging sixteen point one yards a reception, 193 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: but he's only got twenty nine receptions this season. That 194 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: jumps out at you and ground missed a few games. 195 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: He's got four receptions this season. No matter how way, 196 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: no matter how we try to describe the Patriots and 197 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: talk about their issues this year compared to last year 198 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: or years before, or what you may know or remember 199 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: from the Patriots are still a very good team and 200 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to lock up a number one seed. 201 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: And I think that this is gonna be a tough 202 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: matchup for the Jets to be the number one thing. Alright, 203 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: no doubt. Yeah, they're meaning the Chiefs are at home. Yeah, 204 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are gonna be the number one 205 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: seed for sure. They have to win and they're the 206 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: one seed, as simple as that. Yes, then Kansas City 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: will be the number one seed. Yeah, So what I did? 208 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I did pick the Raiders to beat the Broncos on 209 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: Monday night. Would you say that? What would you say 210 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: if New England with the two when they want to 211 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: Kansas City the f C Championship game, Well, that'd be 212 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: a tough matchup. Well, when we crossed that bridge the 213 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast, we come to it. Well, but I 214 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: know you're answer, well, I would take Magic Mahomes and 215 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: that at home. Now, if New England gets the one seed, 216 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: that might change everything for me. But I gotta be honestly, 217 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: I think Jets have they got a decent shot and 218 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: winning this game. It would be an upset. But with 219 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: the way Donald's playing right now, again, this is not 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: that explosive offense that we've seen in years past. I 221 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: think this is one possession game in the fourth quarter. Again, 222 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: I would enjoy that very much, especially considering the last 223 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: two years the Jets have not bodd They've not fared 224 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: well in Foxboro. Now let me ask you this one. 225 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: Uh So, right now, the Jets are tied for fourteenth 226 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: and sex in the National Football League, with Jordan Jenkins 227 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: and Henry Anderson leading the way with seven apiece. Who 228 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: do you have winning the sack race on the Jets 229 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: this season? I think you. I think it's a tie. Oh, 230 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: you think it's gonna end up a tie. I think 231 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: because the Patriots don't give up too many sacks. I 232 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: think so, yeah, that's what I think. Think it's gonna 233 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: be time. I think the Goose gets in there, gets one. 234 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: That's not a knock on Jordan either, because he's got 235 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: to find season himself. But he's been banged up a 236 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: little bit later, Yeah, with an ankle injury. And if 237 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: you think about the Goose Henry Anderson. That's the other 238 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: trade with the Colts that doesn't really get as much 239 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: publicity as, of course, the Sam Donald trade when the 240 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: Jets traded up from six to three. But then the 241 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Jets and Colts struck again in the end of the 242 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: draft when the Jets sent the two overall selection for 243 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: what could be their sack leader in two thousand eight. 244 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: This has been and then brand Boy and company. We 245 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: do we give the special teams an awful because Bill 246 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: Belichick said this is the best unit we faced all year. 247 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: Did he said that? She ud that in five storylines 248 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Jets Patriots in New York just dot com. But what 249 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: I will tell you is that this has been one 250 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: of the best special teams seasons I've ever seen. Andre 251 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: Roberts no yards against the Packers for the touchdown when 252 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: they needed to play late kickoff return all the way 253 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: to the Green Bay Packers thirty Yeah, you thought he 254 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: was gone. You started standing up. It was in your 255 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: first box seat. I was excited. Hey, brand Boy, are 256 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: calling the fake punt? I love that. Well, if you're 257 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: Joe Philbin and the Packers, why are you kicking on 258 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: Roberts again? I wouldn't then't. I guess they were wanted 259 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: to make it fun for Aaron Rodgers, got Aaron Rodgers. 260 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I give Aaron rodd with a lot of credit, don't you. Yeah, 261 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: he was he was awesome, He was good. The up 262 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: closing experience was something else. He did show a lot 263 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: of leadership out there. I'll tell you what, because he 264 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: could have packed it in, but he didn't. No pun intended. 265 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: Now he was out there, he was a gamer and 266 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: he Wow, he made a couple of throws out there. 267 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: It was like, oh, yeah, he's a great player, but 268 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Donald twenty one years old, you look pretty good himself. 269 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: He did. I'm excited to see what how he plays 270 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Sunday because when he came back from the injury, he 271 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: played against Buffalo on the road. That's been the only 272 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: road game he's played since returning from injury, and he 273 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: didn't throw all over the yard. Yes, the Jets one, 274 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: and he he was clutch when the team needed him 275 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: to be, but he didn't have quite the performance he 276 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: did in Buffalo against then he did against the Texans 277 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: and the Packers. So I'm very interested to see how 278 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: he plays in a hustle environment in Foxboro because he's 279 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: gonna have to get used to playing in fox I 280 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: didn't predict the opposite. I'm just saying I think it's 281 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a one possession game late. I really do, 282 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: um But listen, you gotta look at it from a 283 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: realistic perspective. Patriots have not lost at home this year, 284 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: and the Jets have won one game away from home. 285 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: They should have won that road game in two games 286 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: to they should have three at least because the Tennessee game. 287 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: But you could go what it should have, could have whatever, 288 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: and that I liked what Tod Bol said this week. 289 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: He said that I don't live and you know, maybes 290 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: or kudos or clothes or whatever and things like that, 291 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: and you can't in the National Football League. But they've 292 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: been there. They've been there in the last month of 293 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: the season because you didn't know how this team was 294 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna finish after Buffalo came in here forty one time 295 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: at Montlife Stadium and Matt Barkley and company, and like, 296 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: what's happening here? But you know, they've showed some resiliency 297 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: and some fighting. But the Top Bowls is like listen, 298 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: no moral victories. But I don't know. I just look 299 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: at that the Patriots, they beat the Bills by twelve. 300 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: I think this is the one possession game in the 301 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: fourth and I want I love to see Donald having 302 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, you know, down six maybe 303 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: in the game or something like that, to forty on 304 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: the clock for time outs. Do you have a nice holiday? 305 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: It was great. That was convincing, That was really convinced. 306 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: It was great. I'm just thinking about Andre Roberts and 307 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: we're all over the map. Well, how are you gonna 308 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: have a podcast and not discuss these guys making a 309 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl? We absolutely ca so Andre Roberts and Jason 310 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Wires in the Pro Bowl. That was big. Yeah you 311 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: were quite happy about that. Yeah, I was because I 312 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: really didn't think I thought the odds were stacked against them, 313 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: even though they both were more than deserving. You cannot 314 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: make the argument that know that a return in the 315 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: National Football you said a better year than Antre Robberts 316 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: because it just would be factually incorrupt. Whereas Myers had 317 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: a few guys who I didn't realize until we saw 318 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: we started looking at the stats. As far as kicking stats, 319 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: there are a few guys in the National Football League 320 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: this season fan pretty good years. And Jason Meyers did 321 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: not practice Wednesday with a left hip injury. Did seven 322 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: guys from New York Jets not practice on Wednesday? It's 323 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: a banged up group right now. Yeah. And Drewmaine Johnson 324 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: did not practice Wednesday, not injury related. He said it 325 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: was something between him and the headman that they talked 326 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: it out. Do you think the headman is Todd Bowles 327 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: or Christopher Johnson. That is definitely top bowls. That's what 328 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: I thought he said. He said he expects the place 329 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: on day though. Yeah, he expects to practice Thursday in 330 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: place Sunday. Yes, Uh so Tremaine Johnson be out there 331 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: on the field. Um, but you wenttioned James White before 332 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: getting back to that as we go, it was we 333 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: pick our spots here and throw darts against the wall. Uh, 334 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Darrenly was in that game. So no Darrenly this week 335 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: for the Jets. This is the fourth and final game 336 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: I was mentioned, Yes it is. Yes, So I'm very 337 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: interested because I think Neville he has played well in 338 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Lee's absence, but I don't think he's faced a dynamic 339 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: running back like uh, James White. That's it's really a 340 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: very much so a dual threat out of the backfield. 341 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: Lamar Miller got hurt early against the Jets. So did 342 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy. Yeah, that's true. Lashawn McCoy Exeter and Aaron Jones. 343 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: And Aaron Jones did not play for the Green Bay Packers, 344 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: so he National Football League Jury league. So the Jets 345 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: saw Jamal Williams last week. So we'll see what what 346 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: to see what happens. Hopefully they keep Sony, Michelle and 347 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: check here this week. And you know Jamal always gets 348 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: up for these opportunities against big Gronk. Oh yeah, this 349 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: is all about respect for thirty three. That right. Yeah. 350 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's gonna say anything more about their 351 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: respect thing, because he made it to the Pro Bowl 352 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: so so clearly the respect is there. He has it. 353 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: But I don't know what's been said on the field 354 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: between those white lines, but I know thirty three gets 355 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh do you think he's going shirtless again? It depends 356 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: how cold it is. If it's like forty, he won't, 357 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: but if it's minus twenty he will. I don't know. 358 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: That's kind of the madness you get. I don't know 359 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: the forecast for Sunday, but you need that Cat will 360 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: be ready to go. So forget about your draft scenarios. Everybody, 361 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: Jamal is coming out there ready and rolling him. I 362 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: can't believe people. I get it from a fan perspective. 363 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: I get it. You always want to be the top 364 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: and everything, so that includes the draft board. But these 365 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: guys want to win, and Justin Herbert's going back to Oregon. 366 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: As we learned Wednesday, the Jets. They have their quarterback. 367 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: They got him from the Pack twelve as well, Yes 368 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: they did. Who's the top quarterback in the draft right now, 369 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins Ohio State. Do you believe that? Do I 370 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: believe he is the best right out of the group 371 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: right now? Yeah? Sure for sure? No, No, sure, I 372 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: think that changes before the draft. No, because I think 373 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins is gonna test very well. Do you like 374 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: his out of the pocket skills? I don't think it's 375 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: a good year for if you need a quarterback, let's 376 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: put it that way. Well, a lot of people like 377 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones at a duke though, Well, he's supposed to 378 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: be the third guy. He learned from one of the master's, 379 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: an old cut cut cliff down there. Yeah, this is 380 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: enough draft talk for now, because it's still the regular season. 381 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: The podcast is gonna roll. Well, my point on this 382 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: is that the Jets got their guy, and we're coming 383 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: full circle here. We started this podcast about this is 384 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: not the season the Jets wanted, but you did want 385 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: to see development from a young quarterback and you wanted 386 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: to see signs that this guy was going to be 387 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: your answer. Well, this guy's twenty one years old. The 388 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: team they're playing this week, the New England Patriots, have 389 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: won the last ten consecutive FC East championships. Tom Brady 390 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: is a five time Super Bowl winner. He is I 391 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: believe a four times Super Bowl m v P. He 392 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: is a three time NFL m v P. He could 393 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: be the greatest ever to play the position. But Green's 394 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: he is forty one years old. He talked about this 395 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: week that he plans on plane in two thousand nineteen 396 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: and beyond the beyond, it doesn't go forever. Bro I think, 397 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: I think you need to find Brady's number, and why 398 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: you're you're passionate about it. I just I think that 399 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: there is going to be Aaron Rodgers. Did you read 400 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: what Aaron Rodgers said about Sam Donald after the game. 401 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: He said he thinks this next crop, well, this is 402 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: the next crop of quarterbacks. And he was very complimentary 403 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: of Sam Donald. So that's the second consecutive week where 404 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: guys who are going into the Hall of Fame at 405 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: some point. J. J. Watt and then Aaron Rodgers were 406 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: very complimentary about the twenty one year old quarterback who 407 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: is leading the New York Jets. All right, that's how 408 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: we wrap up the two thousand eighteen regular season of 409 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: the official I don't know why you say it's a 410 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: singer that I am taking shots against the Patriots. I 411 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: think they've been the model organization. They've won five championships. 412 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I would not argue against anybody's saying he's 413 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time. My point is Green's 414 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: as you stare into my gray hair, is that you 415 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: cannot to five aging. It's not going to It's not 416 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna happen forever. And this offense, it's not as explosive 417 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: as it has been in the past, and the Jets 418 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: have to add a number of pieces in the offseason. 419 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but the most important position in 420 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: professional sports is quarterback, and the Jets have a young 421 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: one that they're going to build around. And if you're 422 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: not happy about that, you're crazy. And the other point 423 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: is the season ends on December, and you know what happens. 424 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: There are twelve teams in the National Football You got 425 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: a thirty two who make the postseason. So for twenty teams, 426 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: their seasons are over. So wipe that record off the board. 427 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: Whatever the Jets finished four and twelve or five and eleven. 428 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: It is over for thirty on Sunday, okay, and we 429 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: fast forward on the two thousand nineteen I like it, Okay. 430 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: That's how we closed up shop here in the regular 431 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: season the Official Jets Podcast. We're gonna rolling though throughout 432 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: the off season. We'll have position reviews. I think we're 433 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: gonna do that that we did last year. We'll see, well, 434 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: we got some position reviews, team review that. Of course, 435 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: the draft stuff and everything that you need to know. 436 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: And beyond Sam Donald. You gotta like what you've seen 437 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: from Robbie Anderson. You gotta like what you see from Herndon. 438 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: I like the way the offensive line is really you 439 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: talked about Eli McGuire before, and Jamally Adams is a 440 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: cornerstone piece on defense. You gotta had a couple more 441 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: pieces here and there and things like that. But things 442 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: are starting to look a little bit different, don Verse. 443 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: We'll see in two thousand nine.