1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: We're joined by Giants General manager Dave Gentleman. Obviously a 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: busy week for the New York Giants. Um, just tell 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: me a little bit about what went into the Odell 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. Trade and why it was the time to 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: make the move. Well, you know, we've had interest, We've 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: had teams to contact us. Odell is very talented, and 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: we placed a value on him. All these teams called us. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: All these teams, a few teams called us. From the 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: initial call, I made it obvious to them that we 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: weren't gonna we weren't giving him away. You know, he 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: was too talented and gifted. And really the value that 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: I used in my mind, the litmus test of the barometer, 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: so to speak, was what the franchise tag value is. 14 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Let's say, for the second discussion, we had not we 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: had not signed Odell back in August, and that we 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: had went through the season and decided to put the 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: franchise tag on him based on that if someone else 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: had signed him, we would have gotten two first round 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: draft picks. And um, that was my litmus test. That's 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: only happened once, Bob, and that was Sean Gilbert back 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: in where Caroline assigned him from away from I want 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: to say the Redskins. So it happened once in twenty 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: plus years. Um, so that but that was my litmus test. 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: So we basically got two ones in a three, so 25 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I thought we did, you know, pretty well? It was 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: at football business decision is what it was. We've got 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: holes we need to fill, and we just feel like 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: I've done, you know, doing the I took advanced calculus 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: and three takeaway one equals too, so we get a 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: shot to get two extra players. Yes, so well, and 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: jaw Brolle Peppers was a first round draft picks, so 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it's like getting another first ROUNBM. But now you get 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: a guy that's actually played in the league and a 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: guy who after with a lot of rookies struggle in 35 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: their rookie season but started becoming ascending player last year. 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: Why was he so important as far as this part 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: of the deal for you, Well, for me, it was, 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: you know, Jabrill came out when I was down in Carolina, 39 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: and we really liked him. I had had uh and 40 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: in fact, I used one of my thirty visits on Jabral, 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: so I had met him personally and spent spent time 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: with him. You know before the before his draft. Um, 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: he was important because with the way the league's evolved, 44 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: with all the passing, safeties are critical, you have to 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: have safeties that can play on top. And we just uh, 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: he was just an important piece. And uh, I'd let 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: you are know fairly quickly that if this trade was 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: gonna work, he had to be a part of it. 49 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: So Giants fans would say, what, wait a second, had 50 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: landon Collins? You chose to not apply the franchise tag 51 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: and let him walk? What went into that decision? From 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: a football standpoint, I always look at value. So let's say, 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: for the sake of discussion, we had franchise Land and 54 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: that would have cost twelve million, thirteen million. We got 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers for one point one and a half. He's 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: on his rookie contract and the fifth year option, plus 57 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: we have the fig exactly, He's under contract for three 58 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: more years, including the fifth year option. It's it's about value, 59 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna understand you can't make decisions in a vacuum. 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Every decision is interconnected. Um. So it's not you make 61 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: this decision on player A and this decision on player B. No, 62 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: you're building a team. Okay, that's what we're doing here. 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: We're not building a unit, We're building a team, a 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: complete team, and all these decisions are interconnected. And is 65 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: that part of the reason why a Antoine Bathet understands 66 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: James Betcher's defense. But also the Giants have had a 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: history with some of the teams that they've won with 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: of having a veteran presence back there that sort of 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: gets it well stated. The bottom line is in the 70 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: back end, you have to have someone who gets everybody 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: lined up. Who can you know and when I mean everybody, 72 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking the back end. We have well, we have 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: Alec to line up the front seven and he does 74 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: a great job. That's one of the reasons I traded 75 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: for him last year was I knew he could do 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: that and he does a great job with it. You've 77 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: got to have that in the back end as well. 78 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: And the anto Wine can do that. I mean he 79 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: knows Betch's defense, which is huge. But Antoine has always 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: been the guy back there for every team he's played 81 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: for that has lined everybody up, and it's critical. You 82 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: can't listen you oh seven, James Butler did a great 83 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: job of getting us lined up. You know, judge of tech, 84 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: he had a crazy to high test score and when 85 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: the ball was snapped, everybody knew where they were supposed 86 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: to be. And that may sound kind of well hello, 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: but doesn't always ha ro roll on eleven exactly. And 88 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: then we had the introl on eleven that was, you 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: have the the thing that does for you. You know 90 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: what that gives you is amazing people. You know a 91 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: lot of this games played from the neck up, and 92 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: and I don't think a lot of people get that. 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of neck up, you got Golden Tape, fierce competitor, um, 94 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: big personality, but a pros pro. What attracted you to 95 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Golden Tate and why he would be a nice fit? Well, 96 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, you know, Golden you said it. He's a 97 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: pros pro. He grew up a Giants fan. As it 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: turned out, I didn't know that, you know, I don't 99 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: know those kinds of things, but um, you know, at 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: the end of the day, he's he's been a very 101 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: productive NFL receiver, a unique run after catch guy. And 102 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: you cannot have enough pros on your team. You can't. 103 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: This is professional football. You made another trade that we 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: haven't even touched upon. The Olivia Vernon Trade. Tell me 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: what you like about Zeitler and why he's a good 106 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: fit for what you're doing. Kevin's an eight seven eight 107 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: year that whatever he is, he's a power player. He 108 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: plays with really good power. He's very smart. He's got 109 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: it off the Chats test score and he plays that 110 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: smart and he'll help settle down that that right side. 111 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: He's athletic enough. Um, you know, at the end of 112 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the day, he's a pretty good athlete and he's powerful 113 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: and he's smart. How can we lose You've had some 114 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: success pick in those guys. Yeah, not bad. You've done 115 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: all right with that. Um. Free agency is interesting because 116 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: it's the beginning. Part of it is the frenzy. But 117 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: if you look, there's still a lot of value that's 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: out there. Do you guys expect to be tapping into 119 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: it a little bit more or is it now? Hey, 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: it's more draft related for us right now. Most of it. 121 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna look around the fringes. We're gonna keep working 122 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: at see who's available. Um, you know, we're trying to 123 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: be mindful to salary cap and there'll be values there 124 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: and if we see a good value, will jump on it. Otherwise, 125 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: we're you know, we're we're. I spent yesterday watching College State. 126 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: Are you surprised the shots that Eli has taken um 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and people's amazement that Dave Gentleman might actually go to 128 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: bat in two thousand nineteen with Eli Manning as the quarterback? 129 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Does that like knock you for a loop? You know, 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: here's what I gonna Here's what I'm gonna tell you. 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I've done studies. Okay, it's really difficult for a quarterback 132 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: to throw the ball and operate when he's on his 133 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: back half the time. There's a false narrative out there 134 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: about Eli being washed up for the last It's been 135 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: out there for four or five years now, Bob, you've 136 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: heard it, You've read it. You know, you know it. 137 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: You you you referenced it before. You take a look 138 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: at what how we finished this year. Once the offensive 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: line got under you know, got it under control, and 140 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: how Hunter and those guys you know do the heck 141 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: of a job. We scored the most points in the 142 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: NFC East. We finished the season average in the seven 143 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: and a half of whatever it was. And you know 144 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Eli can still make the throws. This this narrative, you know, 145 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: is it's wrong. The guy can still play, and everybody's 146 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: gonna stop it. He is not still our to back 147 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: because he's cute. I don't operate that way. He's still here, 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: is our quarterback because he still has value. Do you 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: think people forgot your message when you first took over 150 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: and you said there's no more scholarships. You got to 151 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: earn your spot. And if we don't think on film 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: you can play, you're not gonna be here. This isn't 153 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: like a thank you for being here. We're gonna just 154 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: roll you out again. No, absolutely, not absolutely. Last time 155 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: I checked the ideas to win. You know, I've done 156 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: studies on that too, Bob, and you know the mariage 157 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: and the tissues want to win, and that's what it's 158 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: all about. We're gonna do what we think is gonna 159 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: give us the best opportunity to win. And then just 160 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: finally wrapping up the look, there's a lot to fix 161 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and you knew that when you took over last year 162 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: that there were a lot of things that had to 163 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: be fixed on a lot of different levels. Is it 164 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: fun going through all this? I mean, I know you 165 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: everyone wants to jump in and you know, take over, 166 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: but is this fun the process of going through this 167 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: with the people you've surrounded yourself with, starting with coach, 168 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, it's it's you know, Pat has been he's 169 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: he's been a godsend and just the way he operates 170 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: and the way he looks at things. And sometimes it's 171 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: a little scary for me because we kind of tend 172 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: to look at things very logically, and it's probably because 173 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: we're the same, you know, blue collar city kids. But um, yeah, absolutely, Bob. 174 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: For me, it's coming home and uh, the people in 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: this building, you know, we're always you know, always had 176 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: a piece of in a place in my hot you 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: know after I left. And to come back and work 178 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: with him is is a treat, you know. And and 179 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: and to work for this ownership. Um, listen, you know 180 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm playing with house money now, Bob. This is unbelievable. 181 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm sixty eight and I get the job of my dreams. 182 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me. So you know we're gonna 183 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: get it fixed, We're gonna get it right, and we're 184 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: gonna give the fans a lot to cheer about. We 185 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: appreciate the time, my pleasure. Thank you,