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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, August second, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode numbers nineteen.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of The Break. We are live
Speaker 1: from Oxnard, California, talking a little Cowboys football with you guys. Today.
Speaker 1: It is the Groundhog Day around here. Another day of
Speaker 1: practice this afternoon. Cowboys will take the fill around three
Speaker 1: thirty pm Pacific time. They have a walk through this
Speaker 1: morning that is not available to the public, But if
Speaker 1: you're in the Oxnard area and want to come out
Speaker 1: and check out a practice, you can come out this afternoon,
Speaker 1: Tomorrow afternoon or Sunday, which say is the day of
Speaker 1: the Blue Light Scrimmage. That'll start up around three thirty
Speaker 1: Pacific as well. How's everybody feeling this morning? What did
Speaker 1: do baby? Good day for you day great always great? Good.
Speaker 1: I see you got your Mariners thing oh yeah, sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: feeling a little good about your team right now? No,
Speaker 1: they're terrible representing there you go. All right, let's talk
Speaker 1: a little Cowboys football. Nick, Let's start off first getting
Speaker 1: with some injuries. They are only I don't know, it
Speaker 1: seems like there hasn't really been much in the way
Speaker 1: of injuries around here, but there are three that are
Speaker 1: are out there right now. Direct all your angry tweets
Speaker 1: to there. Yeah, because when it happens, yeah, it when
Speaker 1: it happens, it kind of pours, right. But you got
Speaker 1: Sean Lee with a spraying knee. Go Rico gathers with
Speaker 1: an ankle injury, lancelin Or with a knee injury. Talk
Speaker 1: me through the severity of Sean Lee's injury, because when
Speaker 1: we talked about it initially, it was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just a percasary thing. He's out for a day,
Speaker 1: it'll be fine, and he's missed several practices. Where are we, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where are we with that? And what's the severity of
Speaker 1: the injury? It still could be honestly that it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to read these things with Sean Lee because it's
Speaker 1: you know, a few years ago. They it's part of
Speaker 1: their plan to rest him anyway, you know, and and
Speaker 1: rightfully so with his injury history. It was I think
Speaker 1: last year where they didn't let him put pads on
Speaker 1: until like we were about to leave California, or maybe
Speaker 1: even did they wait until we got back. It was
Speaker 1: he waited a long time before they finally let him go.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a minor mcl sprain. I know.
Speaker 1: I saw a rapport yesterday that said it's more week
Speaker 1: to week than day to day. Jason Garrett said, it's
Speaker 1: it's not something they're super concerned about, and it's probably
Speaker 1: a little bit of all of the above, like it's
Speaker 1: not a super big deal, but it's also Sean Lee
Speaker 1: who has an injury history, who's also thirty two years old,
Speaker 1: and they don't want to push him and make it worse.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, do I feel like I have
Speaker 1: the right read on that, Nick? Just? I think so.
Speaker 1: I mean, they asked Jason about the surgery, It's like,
Speaker 1: will this be surgery? And he said no, it won't
Speaker 1: be that. So just that right there just lets me
Speaker 1: know that, Okay, it's not severe, but it's also not
Speaker 1: like he'll be out tomorrow, you know, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he's out for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 1: maybe even until we get back from San Francisco. Will
Speaker 1: practice first Sean Lee or Byron Jones. Oh, it's good.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it that. I mean, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that kind I'm gonna say Sean. But for exactly
Speaker 1: the reasons that he said, Like it's almost like they
Speaker 1: almost look for reasons to like, yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he could not practice for the rest of the time
Speaker 1: we're in California, and I wouldn't, you know, I just
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, Like they just don't want him to
Speaker 1: get hurt. Probably. Yeah. So yeah, that's kind of my
Speaker 1: read on it. This uh, Lance Lnoor another guy that's
Speaker 1: injured right now, And the first thing I thought about,
Speaker 1: and I know guy can't control injuries. Um, and so
Speaker 1: it's I feel a little weird when we talk about
Speaker 1: it from this standpoint, but I think it's something that
Speaker 1: needs to be said, is, um, this is a guy
Speaker 1: right now that's fighting for his spot. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got these young guys like John Vay Johnson and Jalen
Speaker 1: Guiden and Reggie Davis are out here and performing pretty well,
Speaker 1: those are the kind of guys that he has to
Speaker 1: be particularly concerned with when trying to make this team.
Speaker 1: How much does that hurt him and set him back
Speaker 1: by having to miss with injury a lot? Because you know,
Speaker 1: if I had to rank all the players on this
Speaker 1: on the receiving corps and their chances of making the
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster, he would be last. Wow without
Speaker 1: the injury. Yeah yeah, I mean, and that it's worse
Speaker 1: for him because he's been here, so he has He's
Speaker 1: had time to show you a great point, and that
Speaker 1: is probably why he's last. It's not like he's the
Speaker 1: worst of the receivers. Maybe he has, maybe he isn't.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying his chances. He's already been here,
Speaker 1: he's done all this, he's got he can't really be
Speaker 1: on the practice squad anymore. He's got to be on
Speaker 1: the team, and I just don't see him his chances
Speaker 1: to make the team were worse than any other receiver.
Speaker 1: Am I missing a guy? I mean, I think Reggie
Speaker 1: Davis is playing better than a lot of them. Davis
Speaker 1: is having a fantastic so far. He's jumped himself up
Speaker 1: into the I mean, you just watch the one on
Speaker 1: one just the orders of one on one. He's like fourth.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's the fourth best. I just know
Speaker 1: that that's what he's doing. And you know, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: Devin Smith comes to mind. I mean, you know, Lance
Speaker 1: Lance can do a little bit more. He's got a
Speaker 1: special team's role. Devin Smith is a little more one dimensional.
Speaker 1: But I mean we're splitting hairs. I definitely think, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lance Lenora is he's down there and if you can't practice,
Speaker 1: that's definitely not good for him. But Devin Smith better
Speaker 1: chance to make. And I said fifty three men roster,
Speaker 1: I should mean staying around because I don't think I
Speaker 1: think Devin Smith could make the practice squad. I don't
Speaker 1: think Lance Lenor will be on the practice squad. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I should have said. Yes, that hurt. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how long he's supposed to be out
Speaker 1: near do I I mean the way Jason Garrett build
Speaker 1: all of these they don't strike me as particular. Literally,
Speaker 1: you know, long term found out about his injury like
Speaker 1: six minutes ago when you mentioned it, I really didn't
Speaker 1: even know it was And you know, honestly, that was
Speaker 1: the when I when I noticed that he was on
Speaker 1: the injury report, my thought was, you know, I really
Speaker 1: haven't noticed him out here, which is not a good thing.
Speaker 1: When you look at all these other young guys that
Speaker 1: you are noticing that aren't making plays, you have to say,
Speaker 1: who's that number? Who's that again? And like his number
Speaker 1: is not the guy that's popping off the you know,
Speaker 1: off the screen if you're watching it as a guy,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's that's performance. Last year. Last year
Speaker 1: he really was making a two years in a row.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, which is why I mean, Reggie Davis is
Speaker 1: off to an amazing start, but lance L Noor was
Speaker 1: off to an amazing start at one point too, So
Speaker 1: see it every year. Let's move on to a little
Speaker 1: bit of blanket coverage. I have a few statements here
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna throw at you guys. You guys, fill
Speaker 1: in the blanks. The first statement, based on what we've
Speaker 1: seen and heard fullback Jamazela Wally may have an increased
Speaker 1: role in the offense. I blank that idea, Dave. I
Speaker 1: love that idea, probably because I wrote that story kind
Speaker 1: of a feeling you were gonna go that way. But
Speaker 1: you know, well, I mean just if you're gonna have
Speaker 1: the guy on the team do something with him and
Speaker 1: I I you know, if you've watched OTA's and mini
Speaker 1: camp and out here, like it's very obvious that Kellamore
Speaker 1: likes twenty one personnel, two backs and at a tight end.
Speaker 1: Jamaz Alwali has spent a lot of time on the field.
Speaker 1: They've thrown it to him a lot, well more more
Speaker 1: so at OTAs than out here, but he has been active.
Speaker 1: And I even I asked him. I was like, you're
Speaker 1: doing a lot more and he was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they kind of That was something we talked about when
Speaker 1: I resigned, is you know, having a bigger role, and
Speaker 1: that sounded exciting and blah blah blah blah blah. So
Speaker 1: I asked Jason Garrett about it and he was He's like, well,
Speaker 1: we've we've always had a fullback. Like, I know, you
Speaker 1: don't you don't do anything with him. I went and looked.
Speaker 1: He played one hundred and fourteen snaps last year. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean he he seven percent of the snaps. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, he dropped a touchdown in Atlanta, but really
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot. So if they're actually gonna
Speaker 1: keep a fullback and do something with him, especially in
Speaker 1: an athletic guy like Jamay's. Let's go sure Amber I
Speaker 1: blank that. I yeah, I support it, I guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, I feel like they have never really given
Speaker 1: you a taste of what he could be like. For me,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I'm gonna like it
Speaker 1: or not. But with them not using it, I would
Speaker 1: assume it's better for them to start utilizing the fullback
Speaker 1: position more because clearly what they've done on the offense
Speaker 1: so far in previous year hasn't necessarily been all that
Speaker 1: productive when it comes to that position specifically, So why
Speaker 1: not let's try it, mix it up, utilize him, see
Speaker 1: how you can utilize other players, and see where that
Speaker 1: takes you. One of the things Dave pointed out in
Speaker 1: his article I thought was interesting was that twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: he had a seventy five yard touchdown. So the guy's
Speaker 1: got something. I mean, he's got some ability from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of being able to make some plays, make a
Speaker 1: big play. He's done it at least that time. Right
Speaker 1: either way, the point is seventy five yards in the NFL,
Speaker 1: that ain't like that's not just something anybody can do
Speaker 1: it in America. The game was in Mexico City, Okay, okay, right,
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that doesn't when you
Speaker 1: think about a fullback, you don't think about a fullback
Speaker 1: going seventy five yards on a touchdown right now, So
Speaker 1: I think that that shows maybe there's a little bit
Speaker 1: more than him than your typical fullback. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just speak for everybody that's pissed off right now, listen,
Speaker 1: and it's they're just remembering the fact that he clapped
Speaker 1: at the ball before it came to him in Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the thing. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: one of the worst looking plays you've seen up the
Speaker 1: touchdown in indian not Atlanta. Sorry, it was easily to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: no earlier. I mean that one was that was was
Speaker 1: really bad. And so this I think he's got more
Speaker 1: skills than he showed there, I would imagine, But I
Speaker 1: hope so, yeah, you'd hope so, But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I keep hearing that he would be a guy that
Speaker 1: they would put put in there for short yard situations
Speaker 1: if they needed to. I'd go with Zeke if he's there.
Speaker 1: They gave him five million dollars. I mean, for it's
Speaker 1: a three year deal, not like five million lump sum,
Speaker 1: but still like it's a sizeable contract for And again,
Speaker 1: like if I was building a team, I probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: put a fullback on it, but I know they're going to.
Speaker 1: So if he's gonna be here, use him, and like
Speaker 1: they never have. You know, Keith Smith was a great story,
Speaker 1: but they never used him either. So yeah, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna be here, do something with him. The promising thing
Speaker 1: is that we're seeing Kellen Moore doing different things on
Speaker 1: the offense and moving guys and placing them in different
Speaker 1: positions and all over the things. So I think that
Speaker 1: they will incorporate him more. I mean, that's just another
Speaker 1: element to add to your offense. I think somebody told
Speaker 1: me that all the people that weigh to twenty and more,
Speaker 1: he's the fastest on the team, you know, of all
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean maybe not Zeke, but those guys,
Speaker 1: I mean none of the sailing, Yeah, but but he
Speaker 1: is a he's really fast for his size. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what helps him on special teams. I know, Keith Quinn
Speaker 1: loves him. All special teams. The year the year he
Speaker 1: had the seventy five yard touchdown. I think he caught
Speaker 1: fourteen passes for the Raiders, which like that. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: I'll take fourteen to twenty times manageable. It's that, MANI
Speaker 1: sense moose. Probably Anderson true. Don't call him a fullback, no,
Speaker 1: but he played fullback play. He was on the roster
Speaker 1: fullback he was when Bill used the heck out him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the best running back on that team, right, probably
Speaker 1: Okaya backup quarterback? All right, Oh wow, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: that conversation. Okay, blanket coverage statement number two. There's been
Speaker 1: some talk about turnovers, particularly I nt thrown by Dak
Speaker 1: in practice. If you had to use one word to
Speaker 1: describe Dak's throws throughout training camp, it would be nick
Speaker 1: blank one word. Um good, right, I mean, yeah, he
Speaker 1: has interceptions, but he's got some touchdowns as well, and
Speaker 1: to his defense, not all of them were his fall right.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, And that's why I wanted to get to
Speaker 1: those questions because I was actually being posed this by
Speaker 1: somebody on Twitter, and they were saying, man, we keep
Speaker 1: hearing about this, is this something be concerned about? And
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get your opinions. Is this something
Speaker 1: to be concerned about. It doesn't seem like it to me,
Speaker 1: but I want to get your no. Now, he's been
Speaker 1: you know, three years is enough to kind of get
Speaker 1: a good read on certain aspects of his game. He's
Speaker 1: not been a guy that's thrown many interceptions at all.
Speaker 1: It takes care of the football, and you know, this
Speaker 1: is the time where you're working some things out. Like
Speaker 1: Amber said, one of those was, you know Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: I think playing volleyball with him, so, you know, and
Speaker 1: setting it up in the air like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: not all his fault, but you know there's been some
Speaker 1: that you know he'd like to have back. But again,
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. They're learning the offense, learning the
Speaker 1: reads and stuff. I think when you get to the games,
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be an issue. Amber. I'm not
Speaker 1: concerned at all. I think I've seen more good things
Speaker 1: from him so far than bad. So I really really
Speaker 1: like his progress. It is noticeable his precision has gotten better,
Speaker 1: him moving around, you know, just feeling more comfortable. You
Speaker 1: can tell that he's going back to regaining that confidence
Speaker 1: that we saw from him earlier on when he first
Speaker 1: got here. You know, I think he lost that last year,
Speaker 1: but then now I feel that he's taking over this
Speaker 1: team again and feeling confident and comfortable in all of
Speaker 1: the above. David. One word Dack's throwing during camp is blank, inconsistent.
Speaker 1: I'll be the bad guy. It's fine. I mean, anybody
Speaker 1: that knows me knows that I'm I'm firmly pro Dak
Speaker 1: and I'm in favor of giving him a new contract.
Speaker 1: But he's he could be sharper, and he looked sharper
Speaker 1: and OTAs than he's looked so far. It doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't concern me. I saw a Todd Archer tweeted this morning.
Speaker 1: He's completed thirty six of fifty one in eleven on
Speaker 1: eleven and seven on seven. That's seventy percent. So he's fine.
Speaker 1: Not a bad percentage, but it's it's it's a fantastic percentage.
Speaker 1: And by and large he's been good out here, he
Speaker 1: really has. But you know, it's it sounds like a
Speaker 1: Skip Bayless hot take. But if you're gonna give him
Speaker 1: thirty something million, like, there's some throws out here that
Speaker 1: concern me. None more so than yesterday during compete period,
Speaker 1: which is one on one linebacker and a running back.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard had Jalen Smith beaten by five yards. I'm
Speaker 1: not exaggerating. It was he destroyed him, destroyed him and
Speaker 1: Dak missed the throw and like that, come on that
Speaker 1: you can't especially against air against That's my point is,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a real game. It's not you
Speaker 1: don't have DeMarcus Lawrence coming down on you. You just
Speaker 1: got him make an accurate throw. A good is a
Speaker 1: good percentage. It's a great percentage in the NFL for games,
Speaker 1: but without a pass for our fuck you just said.
Speaker 1: I think it needs to be a little bit higher
Speaker 1: than that. You know, you always talk about or we
Speaker 1: always see these guys that go to UM their workouts,
Speaker 1: their pro days and stuff, and they one hundred percent
Speaker 1: you know, on air, So seventy percent on seven on seven.
Speaker 1: You do have some defensive backs batting the ball down,
Speaker 1: but it should be probably higher than that. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's been bad by any stretch, but his throws
Speaker 1: have been a little inconsistent, and you know, like at OTAs,
Speaker 1: I legitimately was like, wow, okay, Dak's let's go and
Speaker 1: out here. I haven't seen that. Do you think maybe
Speaker 1: some of that at least two of his targets. I would,
Speaker 1: I would look at it. You know, you got Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard and you got Randall Cobb. That are new people
Speaker 1: to him, so they're kind of working out timing. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's trying to figure out how fast Tony Pollard really is,
Speaker 1: because you get out there like that when he's got
Speaker 1: a five yard league, like you say, you're trying to
Speaker 1: see just how fast is he? Like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to underthrow him, right, he's got five yard league. Let
Speaker 1: me put it out there and you throw it and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, that was He's probably that that fast,
Speaker 1: Like nobody's that fast. But but that's what you got
Speaker 1: to figure out out here. Then on the practice field,
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily want to You want to be ready
Speaker 1: for the game so you don't have to make that
Speaker 1: decision in the game. And Cobb has had a couple
Speaker 1: of drops. You know, we said Dak's first pick the
Speaker 1: other day was went right through Randall Cobb's hands. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's not concerning. But you know, like we always
Speaker 1: ranked the best players of training camp, Dak is not
Speaker 1: playing like one of a handful of best players at
Speaker 1: camp right now, in my opinion, have more questions. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to hear that perspective because when I started talking
Speaker 1: about Dak and I'm like, oh, he looks great to me,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think, probably not fair to judge
Speaker 1: it based on on this, but I feel that the
Speaker 1: way I see it, I'm so used to him not
Speaker 1: being good. I've practice from previous years, you know, not
Speaker 1: seeing him do well, that now that I'm seeing him
Speaker 1: do some good things out here, it makes me feel like, oh, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: he looks way better and hopefully that makes him look
Speaker 1: even better when the lights come on in a real game,
Speaker 1: and that's totally You're absolutely right, he does play better
Speaker 1: in games. It's a classic argument that I have with
Speaker 1: Nick all the time. I great on a curve when
Speaker 1: you're a fourth round pick and you know you're young,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. But if we're talking about paying this guy
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollars, then the standard starts to go up.
Speaker 1: And that's which which is kind of what we saw yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were talking about Taco like he really
Speaker 1: hasn't been that bad, and you're like, he's a first
Speaker 1: round pick. Like you've already lowered his expectations. So low
Speaker 1: hasn't been the word you use. He hasn't been in
Speaker 1: him barrass Smith, He I have a point about Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're gonna get to that later
Speaker 1: on or I mentioned it now. Okay, So yesterday and
Speaker 1: the compete, they split him out wide one on one
Speaker 1: with with Jalen Smith. He goes way out there, uh,
Speaker 1: and he just runs right by him. And of course,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, you know Deck missed the play. That
Speaker 1: that sounds great that Tony Pollard was out there and
Speaker 1: the linebacker. But this the key for him is he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to run the ball right up the middle
Speaker 1: on on someplace. They have to give him the ball
Speaker 1: in between the tackles, because if they don't do that,
Speaker 1: and they call him a gadget player, you'll never get
Speaker 1: the middle linebacker out there. So that's why Kamara does it,
Speaker 1: you know, and Kamara is pretty good, but you have
Speaker 1: to show that when Pollard's in the game, you have
Speaker 1: to be honest with how they they line up on defense.
Speaker 1: So therefore he will have to run occasionally just to
Speaker 1: get the kind of mismatches they want all that tree
Speaker 1: with Here's because I'm skin I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: that that necessarily dictates will they'll get that out there
Speaker 1: or not, because what will happen a lot of instances
Speaker 1: is you catch the defense in man coverage. They're not
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna just flip from man coverage to his own coverage.
Speaker 1: If you catch him in man coverage, you catch him
Speaker 1: man because if you notice in that play Tony lined
Speaker 1: up in the backfield motioned out why pass where the
Speaker 1: receivers would have been, And if you're in manage coverage
Speaker 1: and you catch him in man coverage, that's an opportunity
Speaker 1: to exploit a mismatch, right, So so I don't know
Speaker 1: that I don't know that you don't get that if
Speaker 1: he if he's running, not running between the tackles, I
Speaker 1: just think that you're right, it probably helps if he's
Speaker 1: if he's doing a lot more because you can't really
Speaker 1: you can't identify what he's gonna do every time he's
Speaker 1: in the game, right, And that's part of it. And
Speaker 1: also when he comes in the game, you know, like
Speaker 1: he won't be in there, Zeke's in there. He comes
Speaker 1: in and all of a sudden you can miss, you
Speaker 1: can change your personnel if you want to. They've got
Speaker 1: to show that that that can be a run as well.
Speaker 1: So if they want to go to nickel or dime packages,
Speaker 1: because they got him in there, he just every now
Speaker 1: and again, he's gonna have to prove for whatever the
Speaker 1: reason that and that'll help his play accident too, that
Speaker 1: he's he can run it up in there too. It
Speaker 1: won't be the same as Zeke or he can run
Speaker 1: and it will be about down in distance too. That's
Speaker 1: how you get Jordan Lewis when the Cowboys played the Saints.
Speaker 1: You get Jordan Lewis being out there a lot more,
Speaker 1: or at least some I'd say, I would say a
Speaker 1: lot more, but some whenever they were in certain down
Speaker 1: and distance, because he was gonna be the guy that
Speaker 1: was gonna make sure if Kamar came out of the
Speaker 1: backfield he could cover. He's a jet sweep guy, right Tony. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: they better use him like that. I would think he's
Speaker 1: way too fast not to be. Yeah, and that's the
Speaker 1: one thing we've seen out here. I love the way
Speaker 1: he runs, particularly when he's running between the tackle off tackle.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that he is a very decisive runner.
Speaker 1: He finds where he wants to go, and before you
Speaker 1: know what, he's upfield. He is not one of those
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to jook you guys. He like, find
Speaker 1: this hole and he gets up field and he doesn't.
Speaker 1: It looks really effortless, but he's moving. He's moving really fast.
Speaker 1: I love that about him. Let's say our first break
Speaker 1: when we come back. I want to get some questions.
Speaker 1: I put out a tweet last night and ask for
Speaker 1: some questions, and we got an overwhelming response, a ton
Speaker 1: of questions from you guys. So we're gonna go through
Speaker 1: some of those questions. We'll also hit a few observations
Speaker 1: before we get into questions from these guys on maybe
Speaker 1: some things they saw yesterday of practice that we're interesting.
Speaker 1: Will do that when we come right back. This Dallas
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Speaker 1: to the break. So sorry, we got a hundred things
Speaker 1: going on out here at training camp, so but let's
Speaker 1: jump back in. We do have a lot to talk
Speaker 1: about before we get to questions, which I appreciate all
Speaker 1: you guys sending us so many great questions last night
Speaker 1: and this morning, We're gonna get to some of those
Speaker 1: here in just a moment, but before we do that,
Speaker 1: I want this guy, these guys to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about practice yesterday, some observations that maybe they saw
Speaker 1: during the time the Cowboys were on the field yesterday afternoon,
Speaker 1: some things that maybe stood out to them. We'll start
Speaker 1: first with Amber. What did you see yesterday? Amber? Well,
Speaker 1: I was excited yesterday because finally the energy level went
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I think the previous two padded practice,
Speaker 1: the energy wasn't necessarily there, at least to me, and
Speaker 1: yesterday they seemed moving like the energy was there. That
Speaker 1: we're moving faster, doing more things around. One of the
Speaker 1: things I noticed, speaking of the running back position, Darius Jackson.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that doesn't necessarily excite me because of
Speaker 1: the things that we've seen in the past. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen not that he's going that many opportunities before,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel that he has taken advantage of
Speaker 1: those or capitalized on them. But now I think that
Speaker 1: he's definitely making some progress. He caught my eyes yesterday
Speaker 1: and he's able to move in there penetrate. I love
Speaker 1: using that work, not really but Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: football turns football football is like dirty okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. So he's able to get in there and
Speaker 1: and move fast, cut fast, and I like the power
Speaker 1: and the burst that he has right now, and it's
Speaker 1: exciting to see that from a guy that you know, hopefully,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see what happens there at the
Speaker 1: running back position. But he's a guy that stood out
Speaker 1: to me yesterday and the things that he was doing.
Speaker 1: Um my guy, Jalen jokes. I thought I had a
Speaker 1: couple of nice plays in the and the one on
Speaker 1: one that's one thing I was I was kind of
Speaker 1: looking at there um and also him and Dorians Armstrong,
Speaker 1: both those guys that I can see they're actually looks
Speaker 1: like they're putting them in the situations where they're going
Speaker 1: up against better competition. I saw Dorn's going up against
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith wasn't terrible. It was pretty Oh did you
Speaker 1: not see the one play beat him? Yeah? He put
Speaker 1: him in the spin cycle? Yeah no, yeah that not
Speaker 1: just did he not? He he destroyed tyme embarrassed from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of like just is quick from this no,
Speaker 1: because he came back next Yeah, exactly. But Hey, if
Speaker 1: you're that guy and you're going up against Tyron and
Speaker 1: you win once, that's a victory. Like that is a
Speaker 1: big victory. And Tyron Smith holds himself to such a
Speaker 1: high standard. I bet he was pissed. Yeah, maybe even embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Think about it, as a defensive end, if you average
Speaker 1: one sack of game, you're gonna probably lead the NFL,
Speaker 1: be close to it. So that would have been his
Speaker 1: sack that game. Like, that's that's big, that's huge. That
Speaker 1: was big. But you could just tell that they're starting
Speaker 1: to get those defensive ends and Jokes is in that
Speaker 1: group too, I believe, maybe not as high as Durrance,
Speaker 1: but they're starting to get those guys in there a
Speaker 1: little bit more reps. And so it started out offensive
Speaker 1: line was really dominating that and I think the defensive
Speaker 1: line is catching up a little bit and starting to
Speaker 1: be more competitive in those drills. Dave, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: sit over here and drive the Jordan Lewis hype train.
Speaker 1: My man Jay lou ate his wheaties. Yesterday. He's killing
Speaker 1: people out there. He beat up He beat everybody in
Speaker 1: one on ones. He had three pass breakups. Yeah, Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson had a completion on him down the field. Cool story, bro,
Speaker 1: you did six moves, you did come, you did a hitch,
Speaker 1: then you went out, then you went up, then you
Speaker 1: went out, then you went up, and you finally caught
Speaker 1: the ball on Jay Lou after seven seconds, which would
Speaker 1: never happen, So you can have that. He was. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: I you know, he's the best. Somebody I think it
Speaker 1: was Kavanaugh tweeted, he's the best fourth cornerback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Like it's crazy, he's he's balling out here. I was
Speaker 1: excited for him. Yeah, that was a great catch by uh,
Speaker 1: it was, It really was. It was. Yeah. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that there's so much fun to watch, but it's
Speaker 1: so biased against the dB, which is two three horn,
Speaker 1: like below the horn, they'd throw it. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: also why the guy that I'll point out, Wow, I'm
Speaker 1: so impressed with him yesterday, which is Mike Jackson. He
Speaker 1: had an interception, very very nice interception. But then there
Speaker 1: were other parts during team we had some pass breakups.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he was balling yesterday. Actually throw
Speaker 1: it out there. Anthony Brown really played really he had
Speaker 1: a great Yeah, and actually Anthony Brown. It's really been
Speaker 1: the last two days. I thought that he's had really good,
Speaker 1: really a performance out of here to say, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks, I think that probably the most surprising
Speaker 1: of all was the fact that Chris Westrey back came back.
Speaker 1: We had talked about, you know this, we didn't know
Speaker 1: what the situation was, and it really looked like he
Speaker 1: was gone. Looked like he backed his bags and left,
Speaker 1: and maybe he did for a little bit, which wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the first time comes back. He's got some things
Speaker 1: in order. He had a good practice actually, and maybe
Speaker 1: it was because we thought he wasn't gonna play again,
Speaker 1: but he came back and actually showed those long arms.
Speaker 1: He's got his six four. They did a pretty nice
Speaker 1: job out there. So I think that was his best
Speaker 1: practice since you know that we've seen from him. Maybe
Speaker 1: we were just watching him more because we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's back, but he did pretty good. Yeah, when we
Speaker 1: talked yesterday about you know, which position has been the
Speaker 1: better position, and we kind of I think we all
Speaker 1: kind of agree, Well, it's definitely the offensive line. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Defensive backs. I think they're having a really
Speaker 1: really solid camp. And that's the thing. You got to
Speaker 1: put it in context because defensive backs, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: win every time, but you gotta win sometime, and they
Speaker 1: are finding their fair share of wins against this receiver
Speaker 1: group with two things going against them. Number one, they're
Speaker 1: best players not with them, and two, these drills are
Speaker 1: designed for the offense to make plays and make them
Speaker 1: look bad, and they're not. So that's really good. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's get into some questions again. Really appreciate you guys
Speaker 1: giving us some good stuff to go through here. Amber's
Speaker 1: gonna read some of these questions. We're gonna get through
Speaker 1: a lot of them today, a lot of different topics.
Speaker 1: So let's get going what you got, don't start rambling,
Speaker 1: don't talk too much if we're gonna get them a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's fair, all right. With everything going on with Zeke, well,
Speaker 1: this offense focus more on Dak's mobility and a return
Speaker 1: of Nick's favorite thing. Oh man, once a game, I
Speaker 1: think they should do it. Um, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that that's a hard question to answer right now, because, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Zeke's not here and they're gonna do things differently
Speaker 1: without him. If they have to play without him, which
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting with some of the things that
Speaker 1: Jerry said. Um, I guess it didn't make the first
Speaker 1: two segments of our show. But um I do think
Speaker 1: that they're preparing some things to do without him. It'll
Speaker 1: be it'll be different. I don't know about just running
Speaker 1: Dak all the time. Once they gave him thirty million
Speaker 1: a year or whatever they're gonna I don't see them
Speaker 1: running him a lot. They should, though, but they don't
Speaker 1: run him a lot. They haven't run him a lot
Speaker 1: in my opinion for the first three years. I think
Speaker 1: he runs at opportune times, which I'm okay with they should.
Speaker 1: I think you should run more like But I also
Speaker 1: what I wonder, though, I wonder if it's diminishing returns.
Speaker 1: I think if you, I wonder if you run him more,
Speaker 1: are you going to get less of the big plays?
Speaker 1: Because what I love about Dak right now is he
Speaker 1: can go a whole game and not run it, and
Speaker 1: then you get to the fourth quarter and it's you
Speaker 1: gotta have it right now, And like the Seattle game,
Speaker 1: he has this huge run that wins the ball game
Speaker 1: for you. So he's not the fastest, you know, he's
Speaker 1: not the guy that's gonna make everybody miss. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how much I want him running, but I
Speaker 1: want him to be opportune when there are opportunities that
Speaker 1: make sense run him well. I think a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that. I've always compared it to to Cam
Speaker 1: Newton and how that is a big part of their
Speaker 1: offense where he will run. But remember, right now, we
Speaker 1: think Dak's this big, strong young guy that can take
Speaker 1: this these hits, and I believe Cam did it as well.
Speaker 1: But over time it definitely it does. But I think
Speaker 1: there's you look at the Jacksonville game. They're an aggressive defense,
Speaker 1: and that was the design for him to run. I
Speaker 1: think he ran eleven times having a touchdown. I mean
Speaker 1: he can be a difference maker there and that will
Speaker 1: only open things up. That's also about the game plan.
Speaker 1: You play that kind of defense and maybe you do it.
Speaker 1: You play another defense that doesn't do that, and maybe
Speaker 1: you decide, hey, this is a week we want dat
Speaker 1: We want Dac to stay back in the pock. We
Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to run him a lot. We may
Speaker 1: find an opportune moment to run him, but it's not
Speaker 1: going to be an every week thing like against everything.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett tries to preach to us, we do what
Speaker 1: we do well, if you do what you do, then
Speaker 1: you know, put your guys in position, I mean understanding you. Hope.
Speaker 1: I hope. I hope they let the new offensivecording to
Speaker 1: decide do what you're gonna do, because doing what you
Speaker 1: do hasn't gotten you pass where you've been, so at
Speaker 1: some point you gotta realize you gotta do something a
Speaker 1: little different. I would think it's Darren Smith really die
Speaker 1: good or has Robert Quinn lost a step a little
Speaker 1: bit of both probably. I mean, like you know, we
Speaker 1: had a whole argument and about it in the spring.
Speaker 1: Derek thinks Robert Quinn is better than DeMarcus Lawrence and
Speaker 1: I don't, um, yeah, I couldn't resist that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean because you know, now that's the yeah, that's out there,
Speaker 1: that's that's not but that is not what I said.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. It's been it's been six years since
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn was the nineteen sack guy. It's been a while,
Speaker 1: so you know, he's he's not Marcus hasn't gotten to
Speaker 1: nineteenth cent. True, he's not what he was, Okay, but
Speaker 1: a lot of guys have looked bad at the hands
Speaker 1: of Tyrn Smith exactly. I'm not, Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think rather than Darrence is now though killer one
Speaker 1: time so far, he's the Tyrn killer. I know. I
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith is that good? If I had to answer
Speaker 1: it scinctly, I would say that, you know, like what
Speaker 1: we would say Olivier Vernon had had a couple of
Speaker 1: good plays against them in that Dolphins game a few
Speaker 1: years ago. It's like, oh, he can handle uh Tyron.
Speaker 1: I mean Tyrn probably one ninety seven percent of those battles.
Speaker 1: That's the point you're saying. But to my point, Quinn
Speaker 1: has done a couple of those as well. So Quinn,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're not gonna be all like Tyrn Smith.
Speaker 1: So he could make three to four five impact plays
Speaker 1: like that a game, with all and with all due
Speaker 1: respect to Robert Quinn, Like you know, it's a big name,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't go into this season expecting him to
Speaker 1: be that that guy from twenty fourteen. You know, give
Speaker 1: me a number. What do you think as far as
Speaker 1: sacks realistic for for Robert Quinn this year? Realistic and great?
Speaker 1: Anywhere between six and nine Okay, Like that's about where
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, And I mean if he hits double digits,
Speaker 1: then I'll see y'all in Miami for the super Bowl
Speaker 1: probably and assuming that tank's gonna be somewhere in that
Speaker 1: ten to twelve range, yeah, well yeah, if they both
Speaker 1: get to double digits, we're cooking with gas, that would
Speaker 1: be pretty fantastic. And then throwing six for Drance Damn
Speaker 1: from the leak, I'm gonna have seventy. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: better than the twenty fifteen Broncos taco to get quiet,
Speaker 1: like because you stopped laughing, all right? Beside the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: How should people measure Kellen Moore's first year as an OC?
Speaker 1: How are oh, sorry, go ahead? Do better in the
Speaker 1: red zone? You know, that's where it gets tough. That's
Speaker 1: where things you can kind of do all these other things, um,
Speaker 1: you know, with the offensive line and your speed or
Speaker 1: receiver and all that, but it gets down in the
Speaker 1: red zone. That's where you really got to be able
Speaker 1: to scheme some things and figure out ways to beat
Speaker 1: that defense. And if he can do that, I think
Speaker 1: that that's one good thing of like, hey, you know
Speaker 1: what their red zone efficiency is much better this year.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's one. I mean, if you're not
Speaker 1: saying like big picture or super Bowl type stuff, if
Speaker 1: you can get better in the red zone. I don't
Speaker 1: want to oversimplify, but it really feels like you'd fix
Speaker 1: most of this team's ales if you would. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, flirt with thirty points a game.
Speaker 1: I don't even need you to hit it, but twenty
Speaker 1: seven eight with this flirt with thirty points a game,
Speaker 1: if you can reliably get to twenty seven or twenty eight,
Speaker 1: you should win a lot of games. And that twenty
Speaker 1: two they scored twenty two points per game. That's butt
Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's so bad. You just get it
Speaker 1: five or six points better. And all you have to
Speaker 1: do to hit that goal, I think is be better
Speaker 1: in the red zone. Yeah. Well, Blake jar the number
Speaker 1: one at tight end at any point during the season,
Speaker 1: not unless Jason Witten gets hurt, which he never has before,
Speaker 1: at least not enough to take him out of the lineup.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on limits say yes, I just
Speaker 1: gotta feel in that he's been looking good. He has
Speaker 1: looked really good. I think he's I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: athletic for a tight end, and personally my own personal
Speaker 1: believe just of what I've seen so far, I think
Speaker 1: he's the best tight end you got right now. That's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. Now, again, some of this, some of
Speaker 1: this we're not seeing and we won't see until we
Speaker 1: get into games with regards to how well he's blocking
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. But I don't think that
Speaker 1: at the point when Jason left the game, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was as good a blocker as he once was.
Speaker 1: So I don't I'm not certain that he's gonna be
Speaker 1: when it's all setting down, I'm not sure he's going
Speaker 1: to be your best option at tight end. I actually
Speaker 1: thinks Blake's becoming your best tight end on this team,
Speaker 1: and so I think at some point this year we
Speaker 1: may see a little bit of the changing of the guard.
Speaker 1: I still believe Jason Witten's gonna be your starter every
Speaker 1: game at tight end. I just think there could be
Speaker 1: game that we start to see where Blake's going to
Speaker 1: be more involved and he's gonna get more opportunities, maybe
Speaker 1: than Jason. I gotta watch it. I gotta watch it
Speaker 1: happen with my own eyes and I want to see
Speaker 1: him stop beating defensive backs and say in linebackers. I
Speaker 1: mean it slowed down a lot in the last you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of years, but he still gets open. He
Speaker 1: could still get open and still make some plays. He
Speaker 1: may went out here yesterday. No, no, there was an
Speaker 1: outroute they complete. Witness there was there was an outroute
Speaker 1: that they did complete. It was about ten fifteen years
Speaker 1: yards down the field. He didn't have much separation, but
Speaker 1: the ball was right on the money. He caught it
Speaker 1: and it was on the other side of the field.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there one on one play where he definitely beat
Speaker 1: the guy, but wasn't there Yeah, Jalen. Jalen punked him
Speaker 1: in two minute drill though. It was pretty badass, like
Speaker 1: he did his classic ate and turnaround and tried to
Speaker 1: box Jalen out and Jan was just kind of reached
Speaker 1: over his shoulder like going, no, you're not catching that yet.
Speaker 1: He's so good. They got some big coverage linebacker. I
Speaker 1: don't think he swiped because it was only second down,
Speaker 1: but maybe after they got him off the field. But
Speaker 1: that's also why I was so pleasantly surprised when the
Speaker 1: same when he was up against Pollar and Polo just
Speaker 1: ran right past because don't forget, Jalen can run like
Speaker 1: for a linebacker, Jalen can run, and Polo just opened
Speaker 1: up on him like I mean like he took off
Speaker 1: down the field and it was just like he just separated.
Speaker 1: But think about all the middle linebackers in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and they all were run. He's number one, don't you think, Jalen? Yeah, probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's got Yeah, those Atlanta linebackers are pretty fare right.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of to my point from earlier. If
Speaker 1: if Kellen Moore's schemes can get Tony Pollard out here
Speaker 1: and the linebacker goes with them, that's that's that's a problem,
Speaker 1: and that won't happen very often. And what will happen
Speaker 1: is is there'll be some changes. Safety will come out,
Speaker 1: corner will come out, but that will change what they're
Speaker 1: trying to do. But what you also have to remember is, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's assume a safety or corner goes out. What happens
Speaker 1: with the other responsibility that's safety or corner had before?
Speaker 1: What did he have a mark? Even that Cooper? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're saying, all right, good, perfect, They can't help themselves.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, watch watch this? Yeah, go all right,
Speaker 1: thank you. Um, do you guys expect to see a
Speaker 1: major trade happening before the season starts? No? No No, no,
Speaker 1: keep going. That's our game now. Okay, we've talked about
Speaker 1: a woozy in the past. Um, has he met the expectations? Has?
Speaker 1: And it is his arrow still heading north? How is
Speaker 1: he looking so far? No? See, yes, it's pretty good. No,
Speaker 1: he hasn't met expectations. Yes, his arrow's going up and
Speaker 1: he's looking pretty good. What's the expectation? I mean, make
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl? I mean, I don't know. You're a
Speaker 1: high second round pick. Second round picks are tricky with
Speaker 1: the expectations. He said he's not a high second round pick.
Speaker 1: Her he was late second round pick. That's right. And
Speaker 1: I think his first year was not It was okay,
Speaker 1: and then he came in at the end. He right
Speaker 1: where I think is a reasonable expectation. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: an every game starter, you know. I'm he'd be great
Speaker 1: if he could get picks in a stadium other than
Speaker 1: MetLife in a week other than seventeen. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks good out here. I mean he hasn't he
Speaker 1: hasn't looked bad, he hasn't been outstanding. He button solid.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of agree with you say,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he does by any means,
Speaker 1: been under expectations for me. Like, I think he's right
Speaker 1: where I would expect him to be. He's point based
Speaker 1: on where he was drafted, and I've been a solid
Speaker 1: player for him. It would be dope if he could
Speaker 1: get better. But like, yeah, he's pretty He's about what
Speaker 1: I expected him to be. I guess how much in
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore's movement based offense helped prepare the defense for
Speaker 1: teams like the Rams. Good question, it's a good question.
Speaker 1: You would hope a lot. Yeah, And you're seeing it
Speaker 1: a lot out here, like you really are. Just every
Speaker 1: play Mary Cooper was talking about how much he likes
Speaker 1: lining up in all the different spots. Him and Cobb
Speaker 1: have both been moving in and out of the formation.
Speaker 1: You see a lot of play action and real action
Speaker 1: in the backfield. So yeah, I mean they looked pretty
Speaker 1: lost against the Rams in that playoff game, So if
Speaker 1: they're seeing this stuff on a regular basis, I would
Speaker 1: have to imagine it would help. Yeah, hopefully, and hopefully
Speaker 1: just the experience. Again, this is the very young team,
Speaker 1: the experience of going through that Rams game. Hopefully they
Speaker 1: learned a lot about what they will be expecting when
Speaker 1: they face teams like that because some of them and
Speaker 1: maybe the first time they've ever seen that in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so important to get That's why they
Speaker 1: drafted Tristan Hill. You know, Antoine Woods has got to
Speaker 1: be strong there in the middle because the linebackers can
Speaker 1: get all this, they can get the side to side,
Speaker 1: they'll be fine with the speed, but as soon as
Speaker 1: you start cheating that way, you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: not be gashed right up the middle. And I thought
Speaker 1: that's what the Rams did and even the Colts. But
Speaker 1: if the defensive tackles are better, stronger upfront, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a pretty good defense. Yep, I
Speaker 1: think so too. All Right, let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll get some more questions and filtering
Speaker 1: through all the questions we got again, thank you guys
Speaker 1: for sending all those. We'll be right back this Dallas
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Speaker 1: It's the final segment of the Great Live from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortges Studios, but we won't be back there
Speaker 1: for another two weeks. We are alive at Oxtart. Cowboys
Speaker 1: are taking the field right now for the morning walkthrough.
Speaker 1: They'll take place here for the next hour or so
Speaker 1: hour and a half. We got Jason Garrett coming up
Speaker 1: at noon. Lets you check that out, and then we
Speaker 1: got practice at three thirty. So wish we'd been having
Speaker 1: that Jaalen debate about five minutes later, so we could
Speaker 1: have asked as Layton Vanner and asked Layton about it
Speaker 1: while he runs through. It seemed like he was in
Speaker 1: real chatty mode. No, you're right, that's Garrett's like one
Speaker 1: minute guys, one minute. That would have been interesting to say, hey, day,
Speaker 1: we need you for a second. Yeah, fifty five? Good
Speaker 1: over here. All right, let's get back to some questions.
Speaker 1: What do we have amber? All right? Is there any
Speaker 1: position that you feel we'll have a drop off from
Speaker 1: last year once the season gets started. I can probably
Speaker 1: think of a few. All right, kicker jumps out to me.
Speaker 1: Is that a drop off or is it about the same.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He might not make the team. It
Speaker 1: might be, it could be worse. I mean, as dicey
Speaker 1: as it guy. At the end of the year. Brett
Speaker 1: Maher also made like sixteen in a row from weeks
Speaker 1: two to six or something like that. He made some
Speaker 1: big kicks. That's that was the part that that frustrated
Speaker 1: me about three game winners in the same season. I
Speaker 1: think he would hit some big kicks and I'm talking
Speaker 1: like distance, some big kicks, and then he missed once
Speaker 1: that were just kind of like, what what what it's
Speaker 1: been playing out right here? He'll bang it in from
Speaker 1: He banged in a forty five yard or to win
Speaker 1: the two minute periods it and he hit a forty
Speaker 1: eight yard or during special teams drills, and then from
Speaker 1: thirty five not so much. And we're gonna care about
Speaker 1: what he did that you can care about you hitting her? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I gave you a polite shove. He missed from thirty
Speaker 1: five yesterday. That's terrifying to me. How about starting running back?
Speaker 1: And I'm still not a believer that that's gonna be it?
Speaker 1: Zekei boy, he's not missing miss that money yesterday? Have
Speaker 1: less yards? Nick? When has Jerry not going a deal
Speaker 1: done right? That's not what I said, And that's true.
Speaker 1: That was an interesting statement. But I'm saying he won't
Speaker 1: have this many yards. Here's where Here's why I'll maybe
Speaker 1: we'll agree with that is you know I've already said
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm a big believer that when running
Speaker 1: backs miss training camp, good things don't happen. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that's what happens. He's just not as good as
Speaker 1: he would have been if he'd have been out here
Speaker 1: conditioning the whole time with his team, even if he
Speaker 1: doesn't play preseason, just the conditioning of working through with
Speaker 1: his team, Like, maybe maybe that's the difference. I got
Speaker 1: a good one for you, and I'm not trying to hate.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think outside the box here but linebacker.
Speaker 1: And the reason that I say that is because they're
Speaker 1: twenty three and twenty four respectively. They were fantastic last season.
Speaker 1: They're super athletic. But I always say this is like
Speaker 1: people expect it to be like Madden, where like every
Speaker 1: offseason you gain a few attribute points. Players aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes they plateau, sometimes they did. Sometimes injuries
Speaker 1: set in. So I think Jalen and Layton will be fine,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be surprised if they had some growing pains,
Speaker 1: both of them because Jalen is still a young, developing
Speaker 1: player and Layton's only in his second season. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if Byron Jones doesn't make the Pro Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I could see him having a setbacks. As I
Speaker 1: mean with the linebackers, though, I would be kind of
Speaker 1: surprised if Jalen wasn't as good, if not better. I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised with late because you see a
Speaker 1: lot of times with guys. Yeah, second year is kind
Speaker 1: of when they have that him Jalen would be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he Jalen's past that I think Jaylen's right now. I
Speaker 1: expect Jalen started hitting his real stride as a as
Speaker 1: the best of what he's gonna be. Third, fourth years
Speaker 1: where you start to see that, and so I actually
Speaker 1: expect that Jalen's gonna have a phenomenal year. I could see.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if laden it's a little bit down,
Speaker 1: not a lot, but a little bit down, just because
Speaker 1: sometimes that happens. You see guys in the second year
Speaker 1: kind of have a little dip. But yeah, overall, I
Speaker 1: think they're still gonna be pretty freaking good. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about it, but yeah, I mean we've seen that
Speaker 1: play out before with young players. Yeah, we've talked about
Speaker 1: the secondary and making some plays out here. Are you
Speaker 1: expecting them to get better? I'll turnovers this year? Please.
Speaker 1: We had this conversation seems like every training camp, because
Speaker 1: every training camp the team is coming off a year
Speaker 1: where nobody could get the ball. Yeah, they do not,
Speaker 1: They just don't do it. You know, it's gonna help
Speaker 1: that this year, even in fourteen when they had thirty
Speaker 1: two takeaways like their leader was had four, you know
Speaker 1: or sorry, what's gonna help the pass rusher? I think
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood is gonna help. I think he's gonna I
Speaker 1: really believe he's gonna have great years here. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna change what we've been saying about
Speaker 1: the safety position forever, like since we since back in
Speaker 1: the you know, early two thousands when Woody was still
Speaker 1: kind of doing this thing here. I think this year
Speaker 1: he's gonna make some game changing place for this defense.
Speaker 1: And I think they're gonna finally get that guy on
Speaker 1: their back in who can actually get the ball and
Speaker 1: turn it over and get it back for the offense
Speaker 1: or score. I think Robert Quinn will be the guy
Speaker 1: that makes the difference with turnovers. I think he'll provide
Speaker 1: more pass rush from the other side, and I think
Speaker 1: that will lead to Xavier Woods and those guys making
Speaker 1: those plays. I'm a firm believer that pass rush is
Speaker 1: more important to that than coverage. No offense against those guys,
Speaker 1: but it just helps so much, so I hope that's true.
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods and Leyton vander Esch tied for the team
Speaker 1: lead with two last year, and I mean it's been
Speaker 1: six years I think since somebody had more than three
Speaker 1: picks in a season, and I think when that happened,
Speaker 1: it was Sean Lee in twenty thirteen. So oh what
Speaker 1: I would give for a Cowboys dB to just ball
Speaker 1: hawk it and have like seven or eight or nine
Speaker 1: picks in a year. But isn't that kind of the
Speaker 1: indictment on the secondary for the last who knows how
Speaker 1: many years? Because yes, there have been years when they've
Speaker 1: had a really good pass rush and they've been able
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback, and for whatever reason, they
Speaker 1: still aren't getting interceptions. So even with that being said,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think it starts up front,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, they're still not getting their hands
Speaker 1: on the ball and turn it over. Xavier Woods seems
Speaker 1: to have the instincts to maybe change that. Credit to
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath, the one. The best thing you can say
Speaker 1: about him is that he just knows how to be
Speaker 1: around the ball. So he had to pick earlier this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was vintage Jeff Heath. It was just being in
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time and making the play.
Speaker 1: You gotta make it once it's presented to you too.
Speaker 1: I'm checking where Garrett is because this is a Grett question.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about donor about he loves What would
Speaker 1: it take for Garrett to come back next year? Win
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship, the super Bowl, because clearly wouldn't go
Speaker 1: past then Lucy a divisional round again. I personally believe
Speaker 1: if he gets to the championship game and the team
Speaker 1: is playing well, you know, I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's safe. I think that gets you say that like
Speaker 1: it's like this very easily. No no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to do that, because that's not been the
Speaker 1: easily attainable bowl around here. But the way she the
Speaker 1: way she said that, she kind of threw those two
Speaker 1: things out there, the championship game, super Bowl. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think the Super Bowl is necessarily the standard
Speaker 1: to keep his job. I think if he gets to
Speaker 1: the championship game and they play well, they lose, I
Speaker 1: think he probably still keeps his job. But I think
Speaker 1: anything less than that, I have a hard time believing it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's about I mean, Jerry said this
Speaker 1: earlier when in the in the opening press conference. It's
Speaker 1: about the field. It's about where he feels the team
Speaker 1: is exactly. It's all about how it ends, right, Jerry
Speaker 1: answered it for you. He's like, I I'll basically I'll
Speaker 1: know it when I see it, Like I'll know whether
Speaker 1: I'm happy with the job that he did. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we can say we can put around on it. But
Speaker 1: this team goes one and four and everyone's talking about
Speaker 1: maybe making him right there, you know, and you've had
Speaker 1: some injuries, maybe the you know, a quarterback, running key
Speaker 1: players are out all of a sudden, you kind of
Speaker 1: rally and you get to ten and six and you
Speaker 1: sneak into the playoffs and then win a game on
Speaker 1: the road and losing the divisional round. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're looking at it and going all right, this
Speaker 1: is bad, you know. Or what if you go instead
Speaker 1: of ten and six, what if you go twelve and four,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you go twelve and four and
Speaker 1: losing the divisional round at home? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: there's a key difference this year though, because it's not
Speaker 1: about like Jerry Jones doesn't have to make the decision
Speaker 1: to fire him. He just has to not present him
Speaker 1: with a new contract. So it's a good point. It's
Speaker 1: a subtle difference, but I think it's a difference. Um
Speaker 1: So if they go twelve and four and lose their
Speaker 1: first game, I have a hard time believing here. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you a a question is if you guys see
Speaker 1: a scenario. I know this is gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit far fetched, but do you see a scenario we
Speaker 1: get to the end of this season. Boys are pretty successful, right,
Speaker 1: Let's say they get to the to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Let's say they get to the championship game and Jason decides,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really want to be here anymore.
Speaker 1: And Jason is the one that decides to leave and
Speaker 1: go somewhere else, because that is nobody ever talks about
Speaker 1: that side of it. But that's the flip side of
Speaker 1: not signing a guy before you get to the end
Speaker 1: of his contract. Yeah, he's free to walk, and if
Speaker 1: he has another opportunity, could you guys see a scenario
Speaker 1: where he says, you know, I'm good, I want to
Speaker 1: go somewhere else in something. No, I don't know this
Speaker 1: rule you have to grant people a chance to go
Speaker 1: interview for a head coaching position. If it's your head coach,
Speaker 1: it's the head coach. Uh. Yeah, I assume that's not
Speaker 1: the same, but I could be wrong. I don't know
Speaker 1: how the rule is. Like, I'm the head coach of
Speaker 1: the team, I could go interview with this team to
Speaker 1: be the head coach. It's because because if he's if
Speaker 1: he's if he's really successful, there may be other teams
Speaker 1: out there that are willing to pay him more money
Speaker 1: than maybe Jerry's willing to pay him. Right, So he's
Speaker 1: got he's got free. He's a free agent at that point, right.
Speaker 1: It sucks because Jason Garrett is such an impossible guy
Speaker 1: to know. Like I never covered parcels, but I imagine
Speaker 1: you kind of learned a lot about his personality away
Speaker 1: from the cameras and think he did. Yeah, Garrett is
Speaker 1: Garrett all the time. Like we get the same guy
Speaker 1: that you get more or less, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: like he's he was different on all or nothing. We
Speaker 1: don't get that guy. So, like, I don't really have
Speaker 1: a great grasp on what makes him tick. But I
Speaker 1: think he like he's so formed by those nineties Cowboys
Speaker 1: and being on those teams and the greatness of the
Speaker 1: Triplets and all that and the prestige of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I just think that means a lot to him.
Speaker 1: But he did as a as a member of the
Speaker 1: New York Giants. That's because he, like all players make concessions.
Speaker 1: Get that. But I also think like he's from that
Speaker 1: part of the country. I think there's there are things
Speaker 1: that there are things that to me, nobody ever talks about.
Speaker 1: But when a coach becomes a free agent, I think
Speaker 1: that's part of why coaches. If you want the coach,
Speaker 1: he gets locked up the year before that, because if
Speaker 1: he has a really good year, you could find yourself
Speaker 1: in a bidding situation with other clubs that may want
Speaker 1: his services, and he has the ability to go and
Speaker 1: look around. That's tough because I like, he would probably
Speaker 1: love nothing better than to go to a team where
Speaker 1: they're just not really in the headlines ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the year other than winning and losing games, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But at the same time, I think
Speaker 1: it's important to him, like the prestige of this franchise
Speaker 1: and what it would mean if yeah, because that helps,
Speaker 1: that helps your your overall profile as a as a
Speaker 1: public figure. Right. That would be pretty surprising to see
Speaker 1: any I mean any coach walk away from the biggest
Speaker 1: job in football, maybe even sports. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: just be very interesting to watch and see and it
Speaker 1: would be and it would be after one championship, and
Speaker 1: it would be very interesting to see just from the
Speaker 1: standpoint or how much money can he command and how
Speaker 1: much money is Jerry willing to pay if he has
Speaker 1: that really successful season, he's got to get there first.
Speaker 1: Exactly he does. But I'm just saying it could set
Speaker 1: up a pretty interesting offseason for us next year. I
Speaker 1: just I am at like it's set every other year,
Speaker 1: every time they're successful. Like I'm already imagining a scenario
Speaker 1: where like Zeke's and I don't think this will happen,
Speaker 1: but I'm imagining like Zeke's holdout extends into the season
Speaker 1: and their mediocre up until the bye, and then Zeke
Speaker 1: comes back and they only go nine and seven, but
Speaker 1: it's because they didn't have Zeke, and then they make
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and it's like, well, right, we got to
Speaker 1: bring him back because because this is the he has
Speaker 1: this reason why it wasn't better, because that's what we've
Speaker 1: seen for three or four years. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised by anything. That's just my default attitude about the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Nothing surprising. You can't because it'll happen, right, all right,
Speaker 1: I think we have time for one last one. You know,
Speaker 1: we we've heard these players talk about the Zeke situation
Speaker 1: and how they understand what he's going through. And you know,
Speaker 1: business is business and all that, But do you think
Speaker 1: that if this goes into the season that he will
Speaker 1: start affecting the chemistry between him and his teammates as
Speaker 1: far as him not being here and not being part
Speaker 1: of it. I do. I think you saw it in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: I think you last year with Levan Bell. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you're starting effect, now you're affecting what they do. They
Speaker 1: can say business is business, but something now if you're
Speaker 1: not winning games and you're not performing as well, and
Speaker 1: some of these guys have contracts as well, so now
Speaker 1: this business is affecting my business. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: think it's It would be hard not to, you know,
Speaker 1: especially when you know that. You know that, I bet
Speaker 1: you Charles Haley Well, I would say Charles Haley woodn't
Speaker 1: commenting much at training camp. Who knows what he was doing.
Speaker 1: But I guarantee when when they went when they went
Speaker 1: and two without Emmett, the defensive end now through his helmet,
Speaker 1: through the through the wall of training and the locker
Speaker 1: room is said, we can't win with an F and rookie.
Speaker 1: You know, So now you're affecting him. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think that you start losing games, and you lose
Speaker 1: with close games because you can't run the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely think it'll be tough. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would be as publicly obvious as it was in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: Like I have a hard time imagining Zeke's teammates pilfering
Speaker 1: his locker. Remember like when all like all those dudes
Speaker 1: went through Bell's locker like thanks for the cleats, bro.
Speaker 1: I can't see that. But I mean, priv they'll be pissed.
Speaker 1: I promise you that. My question don't what I don't
Speaker 1: think they are right now? I think, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I do. Well, I'll just I do. I think I
Speaker 1: think there are some that are, you know, because super Bowl,
Speaker 1: super Bowl, super Bowl. Now you got to you got
Speaker 1: this guy that's not here, and you know, I mean
Speaker 1: you can make the argument that there's other guys that are.
Speaker 1: You know, the other players on this team are actually
Speaker 1: have more reasons to hold out than him, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's just so early though. I think they're just
Speaker 1: like us, where they're like, all right, like handle your stuff.
Speaker 1: We got a long way, so we need you anyway.
Speaker 1: But the closer it gets, Dy's not there. I agree
Speaker 1: with you, guys, and I think I think everybody starts
Speaker 1: kind of looking around, like, man, when you come in,
Speaker 1: like this is game time, so it's not necessarily something
Speaker 1: you know, they keep talking about, Oh, you can just
Speaker 1: plug him in at any time and it'll be fine,
Speaker 1: I think. But as far as everything else, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not as easy as it sounds. When you start
Speaker 1: talking about relationships and the chemistry between the team and
Speaker 1: all that it affects and it translates onto the field,
Speaker 1: I think. I think the point is that if he
Speaker 1: gets to game one and he's not here, like yeah,
Speaker 1: if he shows up the week of game one and
Speaker 1: he gets plugged right in, I don't think anybody thinks
Speaker 1: twice about it. If they play that week one and
Speaker 1: he's not here and they happen to lose, I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of people that's looking around, like, dude,
Speaker 1: where's our running back? But what's the problems to Jerry?
Speaker 1: And and by the way, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: there are there are fingers that then start pointing to Boat,
Speaker 1: they start pointing to Zeke and it here, and they're
Speaker 1: like y'all need to figure this out. Is this ain't good.
Speaker 1: This is not good for us, Like you say, it's
Speaker 1: affecting my business. Now, y'all need to figure this out.
Speaker 1: Nobody's bottom line is being affected by Zeke not being
Speaker 1: here other than his own. But that will change in
Speaker 1: a in a hurry. Yeah, all right, We appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys joining us. We are back to Actually, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: we're back on Monday. We got the Blue Wight Scrimmage
Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday afternoon. It'll be three thirty pm
Speaker 1: Pacific time. That's five thirty for you guys back in
Speaker 1: the Dallas area. And then on Monday we'll be back
Speaker 1: on the air. We'll tell you all about what we
Speaker 1: saw during the Blue Light scrimmage and uh and and
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Speaker 1: team going forward for Nick even, Dave Helmet, Ambergarcia. I'm
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