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Speaker 1: the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up everybody? DJ?

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Speaker 1: Bucky here Moved the Sticks in a very abbreviated episode today. Bucky,

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Speaker 1: we are running all over the place getting stuff done

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Speaker 1: here at the NFL media group. I know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have a little Cliff Knows version of what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the day. But it was exciting. Football is exciting.

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Speaker 1: That National Championship game was very, very exciting. Money. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want to lead off. And look, the playoff

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Speaker 1: games have been over for a little while. We'll have

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Speaker 1: a chance later this week to have a more extended

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Speaker 1: audio episode to preview the big games coming up this

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Speaker 1: weekend in the NFL. But let's get into that National

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Speaker 1: Championship game last night. Deshaun Watson, Bucky Um, look you

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Speaker 1: to him, man? When the when the stage is set

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Speaker 1: in it all on the line. Second year in a row,

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Speaker 1: against the best defense in college football. Kid made some place,

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Speaker 1: He made some plays. I think by far, this is

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Speaker 1: his best performance, his most impressive performance, and part of

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Speaker 1: the reason I was impressed. He hadn't played well, he

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Speaker 1: had been plagued by turnovers. He hadn't necessarily shown what

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Speaker 1: we thought we received from Deshaun Watson based off how

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Speaker 1: he performed last year in the title game. So I

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Speaker 1: give him a ton of credit for being able to

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Speaker 1: step up against the best defense in football, to be

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Speaker 1: able to win the game on the strength of his arm,

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Speaker 1: because I don't know if any of us had the

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Speaker 1: foresight to say that Deshaun Watson would beat Alabama as

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Speaker 1: a passer consistently, especially when they forced him to throw

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Speaker 1: fifties six times from the pocket. That's unheard of. That's yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's quite a bit. They're putting a little pressure

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Speaker 1: on him. But I'll tell you what, he had some

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Speaker 1: weapons at his disposal that you think. How about Mike Williams.

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Speaker 1: I was texting with a buddy and we were saying

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Speaker 1: that the best players on the field in that game,

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Speaker 1: who do you think they were. I think Mike Williams

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Speaker 1: Ruben Foster to me and Mike Williams I thought were

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Speaker 1: just off of who made that impact, Shaun Watson did

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Speaker 1: there trying to end people. You know, I think the

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Speaker 1: people get offended when we talk about that. But obviously,

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Speaker 1: it comes to their playing style, physical, violent, all of

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Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to playoff games they're deciding facts.

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Speaker 1: And the way that he was able to kind of

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Speaker 1: All Right. So I tweeted this out the other day

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Speaker 1: because I've been going through and studied all these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: So we got a good idea, Mahomes says has come

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Speaker 1: everybody has their own way of evaluating quarterbacks. It's imperfect.

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Speaker 1: Obviously in that draft, Derek Carr ended up being the

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Speaker 1: I've placed the importance on the most. Number one is accuracy.

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Speaker 1: Number two is decision making. Number three, I do poise.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have a just a huge, huge arm.

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Speaker 1: But I can't have my playbook, you know, tend to

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Speaker 1: I look at those factors and I'll poise oppose them

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Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people left that game thinking, okay,

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Speaker 1: what you think of him in these critical factors. Accuracy

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Speaker 1: you go down the field, his accuracy begins to win.

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Speaker 1: It didn't necessarily against Alabama, but over the totality of

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Speaker 1: as long as we've studied him, he hasn't been great

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Speaker 1: for those scouts that are gonna send you this stuff

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Speaker 1: what range, what is the percentage Like when we talk

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Speaker 1: It's just and to me, accuracy and ball placement. It's

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Speaker 1: go with the three as well. Um decision making. You know,

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Speaker 1: but he had seventeen interceptions this year. We've seen him

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Speaker 1: made some big plays, but just a couple of inexcusable

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Speaker 1: I know, everyone Noil wants to hand him to Heisman.

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Speaker 1: The problem is when he and Lamar Jackson wanted the

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Speaker 1: that image when you see the two guys go head

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Speaker 1: a calm cool I mean, he is as cool as

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Speaker 1: He did it twice. I'm big on him in that regard.

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