WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: My Name Is

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, can everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals Booth Podcast. The Hi My Name Is edition,

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<v Speaker 1>because we take a look that the two players selected

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bengals on Day two of the draft, Plums

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<v Speaker 1>and wide receiver T Higgins and Wyoming linebacker Logan Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll learn about them from two people that know them well.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Dave Lapham joins me to discuss those picks

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<v Speaker 1>and look ahead to the final four round to the

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<v Speaker 1>draft on Saturday. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Sport, the official fan, travel and hospitality partner of

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<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's a quick reminder that you

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<v Speaker 1>get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since the TV

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<v Speaker 1>coverage of this draft, all things considered, it's been remarkably smooth,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a miracle in my opinion. They've bounced around

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<v Speaker 1>to hundreds of locations all over the country, between the

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<v Speaker 1>commissioner's basement and the homes of players, coaches, and gms,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've done it all with very few glitches. I

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<v Speaker 1>learned very quickly in my days as a TV sports

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<v Speaker 1>anchor that it is truly a team effort and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>involved in putting on the coverage of this draft has

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<v Speaker 1>done an incredible job. Now let's get to the newest Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>With the first pick in the second round, the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>chose six foot four inch two hundred and fifteen pound

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson wide receiver T Higgins, who left school after his

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<v Speaker 1>junior year and had a first round grade on the

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals board. He had twenty seven career touchdown catches to

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<v Speaker 1>tie for the most in school history with Tigers legends

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<v Speaker 1>DeAndre Hopkins and Sammy Watkins. And here's the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that T said when he did a zoom call with

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati area reporters, quote in just getting the call from

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite team in the NFL, It's just surreal. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins is a Bengals fan because his favorite player is

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<v Speaker 1>a j Green. To learn more about T Higgins, I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke to the radio voice of the Clemson Tigers, Don Munson.

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<v Speaker 1>First and foremost, they're getting a young man who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a lot for the franchise there. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be a problem off the field. He

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<v Speaker 1>is very coachable. He likes to go and work. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not afraid of going out there and work, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>not afraid of going out there and earning, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>his spot on the field. You know, he's he will

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<v Speaker 1>step on the practice field once we get going again

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<v Speaker 1>here and he'll go out there and try to compete

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<v Speaker 1>for a starting job. And I think that he's a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that that can win it. Now. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>needs to pick up a little bit more strength, to

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<v Speaker 1>be real honest with you, Dan, I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you draft a kid that's that hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gone through four years of school, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're drafting a little bit of a younger guy.

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<v Speaker 1>So people need to I think understand that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>That he still has some maturing to do as far

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<v Speaker 1>as his body is concerned. But man, I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>two three years from now, I think that te Higgins

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be just an all world kind of player.

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<v Speaker 1>We had the opportunity to visit with him on a

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<v Speaker 1>zoom type conference a few minutes ago. The kids got

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<v Speaker 1>a megawatt smile. He seemed like he had a very

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<v Speaker 1>engaging personality. What was he like with his teammates. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like that from the time that he set

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<v Speaker 1>foot here on the on the Clemson campus. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that was that's just who he is. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>that that was the other thing was to watch his

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<v Speaker 1>leadership ability grows as he went along here in his

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson career. You know, there there are certain kids that

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<v Speaker 1>you can just tell from the moment they sit on

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<v Speaker 1>step foot on campus that they're going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>impact in their group and then also in the locker room.

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<v Speaker 1>And and T was certainly able to do all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We are visiting with the voice of the Clemson Tigers,

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<v Speaker 1>Don Munson. T did not knock it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>park in his pre draft testing. Does he play faster

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<v Speaker 1>than he ran? Yeah, I believe that that he does.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if he's a very good route runner. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't see that that often with guys that are

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<v Speaker 1>big wide receivers. And that's what you're getting obviously. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got size to him, he's got length, he's um,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got you know, really good hands that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that the basketball side of him also comes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a he was an all star basketball player

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<v Speaker 1>in high school and coach Sweeney and coach Scott at

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<v Speaker 1>the time when he was here as wide receivers coach.

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<v Speaker 1>They love those kind of guys, guys that are multiple

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<v Speaker 1>sport athletes. And he is a guy that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he competes at high points for the ball, not afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to go out there and mix it up. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you look at all those variables,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I think that if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a Bengals fan right now, you got a smile on

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<v Speaker 1>your face. Yeah, and I do. I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that I believe he has an eighty one inch wingspan.

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<v Speaker 1>Catch radius, I guess is the hot phrase these days

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to wide receivers and tight ends, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like that's one of his biggest strengths. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's a guy also yards after catch dan, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's a guy when you go back and you

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<v Speaker 1>really watch what he did on film, you know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times he may be catching something that's only

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<v Speaker 1>six eight yards down the field, but then he's able

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<v Speaker 1>to shed tacklers and then go get extra yards. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's got enough speed where he can take at the distance.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he really can. So those are things that

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<v Speaker 1>T is just going to continue to improve upon. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>is he gets more physically mature than that part of

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<v Speaker 1>his game, I think grows even more so. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if this ever came up in one of your

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<v Speaker 1>conversations with T, but he is apparently an AJ Green

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<v Speaker 1>fanatic and a Cincinnati Bengals fan. Yeah, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge Bengals fan growing up as a kid, Bengals or

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite as his favorite team as well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he grew up right outside of Knoxville, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of understand that that you know, really not that

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<v Speaker 1>far and probably in that market, got got some Bengals games,

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<v Speaker 1>and also you know, go back to the days when

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals were successful. That's that's kind of in his

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<v Speaker 1>youth era. So you know he's he's used to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing some of those things. So, um, you know all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. I think, you know, Bodswell, whenever you draft

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that all of a sudden that that was

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<v Speaker 1>their favorite team as well, I think there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more from that fellow to go into the

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<v Speaker 1>franchise and say, Okay, I'm you know, I'm not scared

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. I'm not I'm not upset that you

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<v Speaker 1>drafted me. I'm actually enthused that you drafted me. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, anytime that you can get that, then man,

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<v Speaker 1>you lay hold of that and you run with it.

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<v Speaker 1>One more topic for Clemson broadcaster Don Munson. You called

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<v Speaker 1>the National Championship game last year. Unfortunately that one didn't

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<v Speaker 1>turn out well for the Tigers, largely because of Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Share with us what the Clemson coaches were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>as they studied him going into the game, and then

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<v Speaker 1>your impressions of what Joe did in that National Championship game. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>i mean the talk of Joe Burrow going into the

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<v Speaker 1>game certainly was one was his accuracy and two was

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<v Speaker 1>a way that he extended plays. And then those two

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<v Speaker 1>actually actually melded to be perfect because he would extend

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<v Speaker 1>plays and he would still make throws where he was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, dropping the ball into a bucket. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>saw that obviously against Clemson there and they're in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he came out and just absolutely put on

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<v Speaker 1>a show. Things did not go well for him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>first fifteen, seventeen, eighteen minutes of the game, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to shake all of that stuff off, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's something that you know as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a quarterback, you love, I mean just absolutely love.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw some of that from our own quarterback. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>in the semifinal game against Ohio State. Things weren't going

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<v Speaker 1>Clemson's way and still Trevor Lawrence stayed right in it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what Joe Burrow did. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>know the way they came out and finished off the

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<v Speaker 1>second quarter, particularly scoring that that touchdown right before the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the first half, and that was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a dagger that they were able to throw

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<v Speaker 1>at Clemson. A lot of that was because of Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow and just the confidence that he had in that game.

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<v Speaker 1>He's this is a guy with a lot of swag.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a lot of confidence when he steps on

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<v Speaker 1>the field. I don't think that there's many throws that

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<v Speaker 1>he does not feel like that he can make. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's got a better arm. Probably the most people

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<v Speaker 1>expect h you know, for being the number one overall

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<v Speaker 1>pick of the draft. He's he's got to come and

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<v Speaker 1>perform because it is a game of performance. But I

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<v Speaker 1>fully expect Joe Burrow to do exactly that. Burrow to

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins could be interesting. Yes, I am. I'm looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to to that, to that combination. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go very very well. You know, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as everybody can stay healthy, then those things will go

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<v Speaker 1>very very well for the Cincinnati Bengals. Don thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>hopping on the phone on short notice. I appreciate the

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<v Speaker 1>time absolutely, and good luck to all the Bengals fans up.

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<v Speaker 1>There'll be a lot of fun and watching you. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>play here in the coming year. Te Higgins was ranked

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth overall on the Pro Football Focus Draft board,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wrote that he is probably the most complete

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<v Speaker 1>big receiver to come into the NFL in some time.

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<v Speaker 1>In the third round, the Bengals addressed their most pressing

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<v Speaker 1>need by selecting linebacker Logan Wilson from Wyoming, a six

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<v Speaker 1>to two hundred and fifty pounder who was a one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred ninety five pound defensive back in high school. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a four year starter and a three time captain

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<v Speaker 1>at Wyoming who was not only a tackling machine for

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys, but finished with ten career interceptions. To learn

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<v Speaker 1>more about Logan Wilson, I spoke to Wyoming's radio color

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<v Speaker 1>commentator Kevin McKinney. Well, number one, we're really thrilled for him. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a great, great guy. Of course, he's a Woming native,

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<v Speaker 1>highest draft pick for a Woming nat ever to play

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<v Speaker 1>for Wyoming. So that's a piece of news in itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Came one as a walk on from Casper, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know it just worked so hard to make himself what

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<v Speaker 1>he is. He's wounding through and through. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>team calls him the governor and a very popular guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, a team captain and all those things that

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<v Speaker 1>are intangible. But on the field, he is number one.

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<v Speaker 1>He can run, he's about two forty and he can fly.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a sideline, the sideline guy that we were

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<v Speaker 1>always impressed by, and I think from the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>it was his speed that caught everybody's attention. He worked

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get himself to the size he is, but

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<v Speaker 1>he could always run, and obviously that was a big

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<v Speaker 1>attribute for him through his career. We're visiting with Woming

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<v Speaker 1>broadcaster Kevin McKinney. The Bengals saw him at the Senior Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati coached the South team and Logan played for the

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<v Speaker 1>North team and the observation that we've heard is that

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<v Speaker 1>he was all business while he was there, immobile. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a good description of his personality? It totally is.

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<v Speaker 1>He Uh, he comes to play, He's always ready to play,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you're not playing at his level, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>happy with you. So he's one of those guys that

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<v Speaker 1>just motivates everybody and he raises your level of play.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's always impressive for a guy. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's uh, he's kind of a quiet guy, but uh

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<v Speaker 1>just really does such a great job of leading by example.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking at his career statistics, I see ten interceptions. What

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<v Speaker 1>does that say about his ability and pass coverage? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dan number one. He's a great student of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and so nobody was any more prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>take the field than Logan, and so he always seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the right place at the right time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that coach on the field type thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it really was his experience. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he played four years and he told me one day,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, sometimes I feel like I know what's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen before it happens, and that's just because I've

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<v Speaker 1>played a lot and have been around so he has

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<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of football and studying as he does

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<v Speaker 1>and being prepared as he is. He always seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the right place fifty two consecutive starts, which

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to his durability. Did he play through a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff? Is he one of those guys that just

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what bumps and bruises he might have had,

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<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't come off the field. Yeah, And that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it was Dan. He had. He didn't have any

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<v Speaker 1>major injuries knock on wood. He was very fortunate there.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know he had a hand injury and he

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<v Speaker 1>at this injury and he had that injury, but nothing serious. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's he's very sturdy, but he is durable.

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<v Speaker 1>He would not miss a start. He would play no

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<v Speaker 1>matter why. I think he played with a brace on

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<v Speaker 1>his hand in a couple of games. But um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna come out of the lineup,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. And and just a great team leader

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<v Speaker 1>because of that, Because of that kind of mentality. First

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<v Speaker 1>picking the third round, what was your anticipation for where

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<v Speaker 1>he might go, not in terms of team, but where

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<v Speaker 1>in the draft he might go. Going in. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think we honestly felt Dan that he would be a

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<v Speaker 1>third round guy, maybe late second round if things fell right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we were gonna be I think a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>disappointed if he didn't go in in the third round,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know it was. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those deals that got it out of the way right away,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that was good for him. You can

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the evening, but we felt like from what we

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<v Speaker 1>had heard and from what teams were saying, that he

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<v Speaker 1>would be a high third round pick. The Governor is

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<v Speaker 1>coming to Cincinnati and we're excited about it. Kevin, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the information. Thanks your time, you bet, Dan my pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna be Bengal fans in Wyoming. Now. Now

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<v Speaker 1>time for a Day two recap and we'll look ahead

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<v Speaker 1>to the final day of the draft with my broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>partner Dave lapham Lap. When we spoke last night after

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<v Speaker 1>the first round of the draft, I asked you for

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<v Speaker 1>your prediction for the Bengals at the top of round

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<v Speaker 1>two and your answer was the top wide receiver on

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<v Speaker 1>their board. Well, we learned who that was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit after seven pm. Clemson's t Haggins a long time

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<v Speaker 1>Cincinnati Bengals fan, AJ Green fanatic, and a guy with

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<v Speaker 1>an AJ Green physique, six four long arms, good leaping ability,

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<v Speaker 1>and obvious lee. Somebody that the Bengals hope to pair

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe Burrow for a long time. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's the type of guy that's likes to utilize

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the football field. You know, they raved

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<v Speaker 1>about the coaches raved about it as did. He kind

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<v Speaker 1>of not brag about it, but listed it as one

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<v Speaker 1>of his strengths as his toughness and ability to catch

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<v Speaker 1>the football sacrifice his body over the middle of the

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<v Speaker 1>football field. You know, he's one of He averaged over

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen yards per per reception. He's only twenty one years

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<v Speaker 1>old as well, So I mean, here's another guy that

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<v Speaker 1>from a culture standpoint in in the free agency, every

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<v Speaker 1>single player they signed, all eight players came from playoff programs,

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<v Speaker 1>playoff teams. So this kid, he's been in the College

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<v Speaker 1>Football Championship Series every year, playing for national championships at Clemson,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's he knows what it's supposed to look like.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think they're looking for him to have some

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<v Speaker 1>energy and in stet a temple for the receiver physician,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he's on the younger end of things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he seems to be a very competitive guy, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he plays for championships, so he plays for keeps.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing wrong with that. Bring as many of those guys

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<v Speaker 1>into the culture of the locker room as you possibly can.

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<v Speaker 1>The kids got a mega watt smile. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who his dentist is, but he's done a wonderful job,

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<v Speaker 1>but a very engaging personality, much like Joe Burrow. Last night,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he showed himself extremely well in his zoom

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<v Speaker 1>call with Cincinnati area reporters. I agree with you, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting that you know, Aj Green is the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that that he kind of has looked up to

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<v Speaker 1>and became a Bengal fan because of Aj Green. AJ

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<v Speaker 1>Green was the number one basketball player in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of South Carolina, and this young man, he Higgins, was

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<v Speaker 1>an accomplished basketball player as well, and his junior year

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<v Speaker 1>he decided to special and just football and gave up

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball dreams and hopes he had some basketball opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was probably a tough decision for him

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<v Speaker 1>to make. So there's a commonality there, you know, of

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<v Speaker 1>the athleticism, and um, I'm a g I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think a J. Green ish. I think he's definitely faster,

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<v Speaker 1>um but you know, as AJ ages, maybe not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot faster. But I do think that everybody, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>in the wide receiver corps has got their niche John

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<v Speaker 1>Royers unhealthy take the top off the T Higgins can

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<v Speaker 1>work the middle of the football field. AJ Green can

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<v Speaker 1>do everything. You can line him up anywhere and let

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<v Speaker 1>him do anything. And I think the thing they liked

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<v Speaker 1>about te Higgins is he's got some position versatility as well,

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<v Speaker 1>um Donald Clemson. They felt that they could line him

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<v Speaker 1>up anywhere and try and strive to find the best

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<v Speaker 1>match out that he wasn't limited. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the split end position only, or the flank position only,

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<v Speaker 1>or the slot received for position only. So having as

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<v Speaker 1>many guys you possibly can being able to line up

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere puts a lot of pressure on defenses and in

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<v Speaker 1>trying to match up properly. So T Higgins did not

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<v Speaker 1>knock it out of the park when it came to

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<v Speaker 1>testing in the run up to the draft, ran a

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<v Speaker 1>four or five four forty at the combine, just a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one inch vertical leap. His one point six six

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<v Speaker 1>ten yards split was especially poor. Now, apparently he was

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with a groin issue at the time, so that

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<v Speaker 1>may have influenced those numbers. It probably did. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I look at his career statistics average twenty yards. It

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<v Speaker 1>catches a freshman sixteen yards. It catches a sophomore twenty

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<v Speaker 1>yards to catch as a junior, So his big playability

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<v Speaker 1>was there even though his testing numbers were a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a head scratcher. Yeah, he's he's got a big

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<v Speaker 1>catch radius, you though. He's he's a big kid, tall,

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<v Speaker 1>excellent hands, probably too good size hands, and any presents

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<v Speaker 1>himself as a you know, as a viable target for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>He's I think he's going to find that, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>contested catch is going to be a big deal and

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and I think he'll probably win his share

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<v Speaker 1>of those. So it's it's gonna be interesting to see how,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, everybody's roll of balls because the wide receiver position,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. You know, you draft a guy like Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Burrow with the first pick in the draft, the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing you want to do is give him as many weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>as many opportunities as possible. I don't know. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>way that you know they spread the football field down

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<v Speaker 1>there at LSU, maybe the Bengals should um see if

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<v Speaker 1>they can get a rule change in the NFL and

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<v Speaker 1>allow the Canadian Football League and twelve players use as

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<v Speaker 1>many receivers as possible and spread the stield even more. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I do think that that's Joe Borrow strength,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is uh just you know, spread it out

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<v Speaker 1>and just rip you apart, and as many many quality

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<v Speaker 1>people as you can't get that done, I mean, act

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<v Speaker 1>this is John Ross top ten pick, AJ Green top

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<v Speaker 1>five pick. Now T Higgins first round draft choice, basically

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<v Speaker 1>first pick of the second round. So you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>they've they've got they've got some talent. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>get tylert Boyd second round pick, not just high it

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<v Speaker 1>second round pick as T Higgins, but you've got you

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<v Speaker 1>got some pretty darn good, pretty darn good talent going there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the wide receivers kept flying off the board in

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<v Speaker 1>the second round of the draft. T Higgins first pick

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<v Speaker 1>of the second round, Michael Pittman out of USC second

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<v Speaker 1>pick of the second round, then in order, Leviscus Channault,

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<v Speaker 1>kJ Hammler, Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, and eventually, close to

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the second round, Denzel Mims, a player

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<v Speaker 1>that had frequently been mocked draft, is a possibility to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals at the top of round two. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>you look at him, U he led the country with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty contested catches. He had the best three cone times

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<v Speaker 1>six point six six of any wide receiver. So obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you can go up and fight for the contested ball,

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty fifty ball, and you know he can change direction,

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<v Speaker 1>sink his hips, get in and out of cuts with

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<v Speaker 1>that three cone drill. So I mean, he tested extremely well.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a good size, good sized guy as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So honestly, I think too. That's why you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of general managers and scouts around

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<v Speaker 1>the league would say with the wide receiver position, you

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<v Speaker 1>may get the same guy at sixty four as you

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<v Speaker 1>got at thirty two. There's very little difference between those

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<v Speaker 1>guys because it's so deep wide receiver position. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>six were taken in the first round and at least

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<v Speaker 1>the HACO doesn't hear it sounds like in the second round,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, I know there's at least forty that

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<v Speaker 1>people feel are going to be draftable. In thirty three

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<v Speaker 1>of those forty may go in the first four rounds

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<v Speaker 1>to the draft, So it's only just one. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was seven in the second round. To be specific, Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think Josh Jones and Zach Bond were not

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<v Speaker 1>taken in the first two rounds. I think Josh Jones

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<v Speaker 1>um his length of his arms, it's it's not proportionate

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<v Speaker 1>to his to his body. I mean, he's a he's

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<v Speaker 1>a big man. He's six six sixty seven, three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten pounds, thirty thirty two and eighth inch arm.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think people thought Jee might have to play

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<v Speaker 1>him at guard, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's That's something that Billy Price is struggling with a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, I think is the arm length. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL you can lock arms out. And if somebody's

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<v Speaker 1>got a thirty two and eighth innch arm and then

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<v Speaker 1>the other guy's a thirty five inch arm, he's getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the back cannle leaver your shoulder pad pretty durn quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you bend over trying to lengthen your candle

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<v Speaker 1>lever a little bit more by leaning, so worsting him

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<v Speaker 1>do it now you're exposing in your shoulders. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think he probably you know, he did get

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<v Speaker 1>drafted in the second round, but a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>almost every Monk drafts had him as a first round guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But he went, you know, in the back third of

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<v Speaker 1>the second round. And I think it was probably because

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<v Speaker 1>of the length of his arms, because everything else. When

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<v Speaker 1>I watched him at the senior ball, I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>had good feet from himself in great position to block,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't noticeable. You know, I'm not saying it

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<v Speaker 1>was t routs noticeable, but it was you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>did he did definitely have short arms. He went to

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<v Speaker 1>the in the third round. Josh Jones, Okay, third round, yeap,

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<v Speaker 1>about the eighth pick of the third round of the Cardinals.

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<v Speaker 1>So he lasted until the third. Yeah, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>was to me, that's gotta be. The biggest thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that arm length. I think people are a little apprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>about because the rest of his game, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was pretty good. One more thought on t

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<v Speaker 1>Higgins before we turned to the Bengals third round draft pick.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals have drafted seven wide receivers in their history

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<v Speaker 1>in the second round. Ready for this list, Yeah, Tyler Boyd,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome Simpson, Chad Johnson, Darnay Scott, Carl Pickens, Chris Collinsworth. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>around the league, teams seem to put their bat on

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<v Speaker 1>the ball a little bit better in the second and

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<v Speaker 1>third round in a lot of positions than the first

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<v Speaker 1>round for another reason. I don't know exactly why, but

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<v Speaker 1>and it really really doesn't seem like it, honestly. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of Bill Belichick trades out of the

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<v Speaker 1>first round whenever he can. I mean a lot of

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>people around the league think that rubber hits the road second, third,

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<v Speaker 1>and fourth round of the second round draft, and they

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<v Speaker 1>try to load up as much as they possibly can

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<v Speaker 1>with multiple second, third and fourth round picks, almost unilaterally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. So I think, now, you know, with with

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<v Speaker 1>tonight's action ending here second and third round, you're you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the meet and heart of the draft, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know tomorrow's important fourth round, fifth round as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, then the odds I think changed dramatically.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is remarkable. They've had a heck of a

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 1>run and uh, you know, look at the running backs.

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>They could Corey Dillon and Joe Mixon the last two

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.880
<v Speaker 1>number twenty eights, both second rounders, you know, and there's

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 1>reasons for that, you know, it's it's not a lot

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of it's not physical. A lot of it can be

0:25:19.160 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, intangibles or problems or troubles that guys had

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>in various way shapes or formed. But telling you, the

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Bengals have put their bat on the ball in the

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:33.280
<v Speaker 1>second round regularly. Let's hope that te Higgins is another

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>one that they hit out of the park. Let's turn

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>to the Bengals third round draft pick, linebacker Logan Wilson

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>out of Wyoming. When we did our podcast prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the draft, you mentioned him as at least a possibility

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to be taken by the Bengals at the top of

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>the second round to fill that critical linebacker need and

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 1>they need a stack backer and Logan Wilson kind of

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>fit that. You know, Zach Bond went shortly after Logan

0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Wilson did in the draft. But Zach Bond is more

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 1>of a you know, outside linebacker round in the line

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of scrimmags, you know, rush guy from you know, he

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>was number two in the in the Big ten in

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>terms of sacks and taker for loss too, and a

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>guy that went number two in the draft. So I mean,

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>obviously he's got some ability. But you know, Locan Wilson

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>is an off the line of scrimmage stack linebacker and

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he can play three downs in that area.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's because he started out as one hundred and

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:29.959
<v Speaker 1>ninety five pound wide receiver defensive back that understands, you know,

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>route concepts and reading the quarterback's eyes. And his ball

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>skills are good as a result of that. Ten interceptions,

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, reading and reacting to what he sees out

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>in the football field. A couple of them he took

0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>back to the house pick sixes. So I think I

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>think that the guy that you know goes at one

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 1>hundred and ninety five pounds and now he's between two

0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>forty five and two fifty and was there for five

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>years with the Retchard. He's twenty three years old, you know,

0:26:56.520 --> 0:27:00.399
<v Speaker 1>so both the first and the third round pick for

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the Cincinnati Bengals. There are not kids, you know, they're

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>they're twenty three years old. They've they've they've seen a

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit, played a lot of football. Um, So I

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>think I think it's a it's a tremendous pick. It

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>went down to the Senior Bowl and I did notice

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.800
<v Speaker 1>this kid, and I just noticed. I mean when I

0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're feeling, is when I when I

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>met when I saw him down there, shook his hand,

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>looked at him, and I said, this is a Norman

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Rockwell portrait of a linebacker with the square job. He

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 1>reminded me of Brian Bosworth. And looking at him tonight,

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you know again, I'm like teeth that guy. He kind

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of looks a little bit like bos you know, or

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>he looks like cho and laukee Field. He's one of

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>these square jobs, you know. He definitely he definitely looks

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the part. And uh he's he's really worked hard, changed

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 1>his body obviously tremendously and he's, um. I think he's

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>going to surprise a lot of people. I think when

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden done, when a year or two

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>down the road and you reflect back and you say,

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>oh boy, how how have they doing this draft? What

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 1>picks panned out? I have a feeling this kid's going

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to pan out, and he's going to pan out a

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>big time. Just watching really hitting his business down at

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the Senior Bowl. He wasn't down there to have fun.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't down there messing out with people trying to

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>make friends. He was early, never, never even worrying about

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to be their own time. He was, you know,

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>his watch was ten minutes early all the time, and

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>he was he was very very serious about the whole thing.

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.199
<v Speaker 1>He realized the importance of it, and he was going

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to take full advantage of it. And I really I

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>admired the way he carried himself down there, and I

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>asked him about that, and he said, you know, that's

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.239
<v Speaker 1>just it, just the way I do it. You know,

0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't any different than way I carried myself at Wyoming.

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And it was interesting too, he said. The biggest honor

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>he received in his football career so far as being

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>elected a three time captain. That's that is pretty impressive,

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a bunch of different players. Um was a

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>three year time frame. I'm just gonna be some some

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>coming and going amongst your teammates and to continue to

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>lect you to that that type of position and speaks

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>volumes to what you are. He has certainly seen a

0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>lot on the football field. Fifty two consecutive starts, three

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand six hundred and eighteen defensive snaps in his college career.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of football. First time All Americans since

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven, first time they've had an All Americans

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>since then at one moment. A tackling machine, you know,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 1>over four hundred career tackles. He's a you know, he'll

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>come downhill, he'll he'll go sideline to sideline when you

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 1>watch him. You want linebackers to impact the game. You

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 1>want there to be a contact ratio that is that

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>is you know, a big plus, and his is and

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you know it's not just okay, first and second down,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe just first down, only the second and long. He

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>hank that guy out of the game. That's all he

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>can do is come down hill and smoke the run.

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>This guy's a three down guy, you know, and he's

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>obviously like we talked about earlier with is, why did

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you see your defensive back skill set? Let's stay on

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>the football field and play. He'll probably be nickel the

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>din backers he'll be he'll be a whole thing. Um.

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, Nick Vigil was killing that role and then

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's open. Now it's charger. So this guy, I think

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>he's going to play a lot of football right away.

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know, if he doesn't play as enough football

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>as anticipated, Darren Simmons is gonna love to have him

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>on special teams. But I don't think he's gonna be

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>able to play many special teams if he's done the

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>football field for lou and UMU. Three staffs, three downs,

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>every single series of the season. All right, let's look ahead,

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>final work day of the draft coming up on Saturday

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>beginning at noon. What spots are the Bengals likely to address?

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>And do you anticipate a trade down to begin the

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>fourth round since teams will again reorganize their board at

0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the end of the night. And see, guys, boy, we'd

0:30:57.920 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>love to have him. I mean, the Bengals have been

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>trading up in recent years at this point, is this

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the year they trade down? Well? You know, za Zach

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>has he said to end today's pressor that the draft

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>has worked out perfectly because they had the first pick

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>of the draft obviously, and they knew what they were

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>going to do there with Joe Brow. The second pick

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>of the draft was basically like a late first round pick.

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like when the first round ended. Okay, who was

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the who was the guy that said, who's the guy

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 1>on your board that gave the most value? Te Higgins Boom.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Now I know that that they got phone calls and

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 1>they initiated phone calls. I mean they were proactive, not

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>just reactive. And honestly, you know, if the Bengals had

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>five guys, they felt comfortable with a thirty three. So

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of other people. And it's probably like,

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:48.280
<v Speaker 1>why should I move up to give you draft capital

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>for somebody that you know, I can wait to sit

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>tight here and I've got one of five options. I

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>feel good about two. And you know, everybody's board is different, Dan.

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>You know people will say, oh, they just list of

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 1>best players. The best players are always influenced by your

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>need if you have if you have a needed offensive tackle,

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>your seventeenth player on your board is going to be

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>an offensive tackle instead of a cornerback that other people

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>who have a needed cornerback on their board, they're gonna

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 1>have that cornerback at number seventeen. So I mean it's

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of a you know, let's let's be honest. There's

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>always need, and it's the needs the tiebreaker. So there's

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>not any board in the NFL that is similar that

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>it is identical to two teams. You know, just don't

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>have twin boards anywhere for that, for the reason of need,

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and for the reason of difference in scheme and uh

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and what type of players need to execute those schemes.

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>So um, you know it's the draft fell perfectly in

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>terms of Zach saying, you know, having that first pick,

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>we had Wilson, uh, you know, greater than the high

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>high in the second round. We got them with the

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:00.520
<v Speaker 1>first pick in the third round. Had team rated as

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a first round wide receiver, gonna with the first pick

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>of the second round. So that's the advantage of having

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.959
<v Speaker 1>that first pick of every round because you get first DIBs.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>When you take a look at your board and somebody,

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>whoever it is on your board, that's a boy. What

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>is he still doing there? If you can't work out

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>a trade, if nobody's going to give you anything of

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>enough value, just pluck it, you know, And in so

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>far it's working out for him. The other thing that

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>was encouraging with the selection of Wilson is dividends for

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the Senior Bowl already paying off. I mean, we talked

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that a great year to be involved

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 1>with the Senior Bowl, Detroit coaching staff in the Bengals

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff, and with the sixty fifth pick in the draft,

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, that's pretty early in the draft. It

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 1>was the time spent at the Senior Bowl that turned

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the tide on Logan Wilson, not just the tape, but

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>having meetings with them and spending time with them during

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the course of the week. So the Senior Bowl already

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>paid and I think the Senior Bowl is going to

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>pay dividends and may be every single pick from this

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 1>point on. I mean, I could see the Senior Bowl

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>being a factor if the Bengals decide they want to

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>go linebacker again. To me, a team, a Gaither Davis

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>is the is a guy that you know, he's every

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>bit worthy of a fourth round pick, Davis Gaither. Davis

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>gaitheror a Keen Davis Gaither. Yeah, from Appalachia, steady six

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to two, can really run. His dad's a wide receiver

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>coach at Western Michigan. So he's a you know, he's

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>a football lifer. He's a will linebacker, you know, on

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the line of Scrimmons kind of guy. Special teams guy.

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I know the Bengals are very impressed with his learning ability,

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>how he absorbed things, how he could retain and recite

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it back, and um felt like, uh, you know, he

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>was he was a leader amongst teammates. He wasn't a

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>follower during the course of the week, so they liked

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things about him. If he's there, you know,

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I think for a fourth round? Is it Richard? Fifth round?

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's another senior Bowl guy that you say, well,

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that that could pay some dividends. Logan Stenberg.

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>You know an offensive lineman from Kentucky, Ben Bartch, This

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>kid from Saint John's. He just located his kneecap. I

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know what his physical status is. Obviously with the

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>coronavirus problems, you don't even get a chance to have

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>your doctor's put your hands on him and take a

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 1>look at MRIs and all that things. So I mean,

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>he may be, uh, you know, he may be in

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>limbo at this point in time. But you know, some

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>of the offensive lineman that I think the Bengals are

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>going to be contemplating, not just the ones that they coach,

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the ones that they that they played against as well.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think, you know, I think the reason

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.719
<v Speaker 1>that Josh Jones. They saw Josh Jones, they saw him

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>up close and personal, and maybe they didn't like what

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>they saw with in terms of the length of his arms.

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, it's it's good. I think the

0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Senior Bowl is going to pay serious dividends to this

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.959
<v Speaker 1>football team down the stretch and almost every round left.

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Last thing, the fact that they did not take an

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman in the second or third round suggests that

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>they feel better about that group than others. Is do

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>you think that's fair to say? I think it is.

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I do think that you know that they've they've they

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 1>addressed it with uh, with free agency a little bit.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, even last year, um taking picking up Fred Johnson. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when from the Pittsburgh Steelers off off the

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<v Speaker 1>wave wire and Fred Johnson he made himself some money.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he went out there and he played his

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<v Speaker 1>tail off down the stretch of the season and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, really really put himself in position to to, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, have some success in the league. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's no question about it. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that at this point in time, you just let him

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<v Speaker 1>go compete. He and Bobby Hard I think you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, who who's the best man? And I

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<v Speaker 1>do think they'll they'll draft somebody. I still think they'll

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<v Speaker 1>they'll draft to tackle at some point in time. Jonah

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<v Speaker 1>Williams will be lining up with you know, Isaiah Prince

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<v Speaker 1>probably behind him. Bobby Harden will be lining up with

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Johnson behind him. Zaia Sua Flow will be starting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, lining up as a starter right guard, but

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Redmond will be pushing them. And you know, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan will probably line up as a starter left guard.

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<v Speaker 1>But Alex Redmond, you know, is a factor at the

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<v Speaker 1>guard position. Trey Hopkins graded out the best of all

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<v Speaker 1>the centers. UH. Now it's an interesting dynamic, Dan. Overall,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's three pots or three you know doors to

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<v Speaker 1>the personnel. Uh. With respect to this football team, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the injured veterans returning, Jonah Williams, um Drew sample. They

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<v Speaker 1>lost a lot of Drew sample's time, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>to injury uh from John Ross once again, Jay Green

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take a snap, you know, Jonah Williams didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>a snap. So you have these injured players that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be returning to the mix. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>your your free agents, you know, Xavier Sua flow like

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<v Speaker 1>like we said, Trey Wayne's McKenzie, Alexander von Bell, Josh Bines,

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<v Speaker 1>DJ Reader. I mean a lot of these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>are projected starters. Drew Sample throwing that injury mix as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They lost him, you know, early, pretty early in the season.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the draft Joe Burrow, you know, to start

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<v Speaker 1>starter at quarterback, te Higgins, depending on what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a package you have, he could be a starting wide

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<v Speaker 1>receiver out there and taking the looks right here at Wilson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's going to be a three down linebacker.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm very important for this defensive football team. So

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<v Speaker 1>then there they're overhauling this bad boy. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more than half of the starting lineup that started

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<v Speaker 1>that started the season last year, never mind finished the season.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be flipped over. There's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of new look to this football team next season.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Round four starts in about five minutes, more

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve hours, but we look forward to it and

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk again after the draft is finished. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a plan, sir. Get a good night's sleep, you two.

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