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Speaker 1: The scene is green and lush, a home with trees

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Speaker 1: Fidel kisses the woman when he greets them, he puts

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Speaker 1: the first time he has ever met the famous boy.

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Speaker 1: Elian is gripping his father's hand, standing close to him.

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Speaker 1: His mouth is slightly open, his eyes wide, his attention

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Speaker 2: At I have heard a lot about you, Phidel tells Ilanne,

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Speaker 2: speaking in a soft boys crouching down to be closer

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Speaker 1: Child, to monson, I'm a friend of your dad. Did

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Speaker 1: you know that? Elien shakes his head now. Ellien's mouth

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Speaker 1: and then Videl cracks a joke about a baby in

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Speaker 1: is playful, and the family laughs. Elien does two some

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Speaker 1: of his teeth are missing, like a regular six year

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Speaker 1: old boy. He looks at is now his trains to

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Speaker 1: This moment feels revealing to me. The pastor of Elian

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Speaker 1: so little looking up tall in passing Fidel looking down.

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Speaker 1: Elian was back in Cua, the island where Fidel was

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Speaker 1: always said the same thing. He wanted Elian back in Cua.

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Speaker 1: I know there is a controversy about Juamuel's true motivations,

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Speaker 1: about bathing in your homeland. It is a wish so

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Speaker 1: many of US Cubans still long for. I am Penny,

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Speaker 1: later Metz and this is chess peace. The Elian Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: Story a production of Futura Studios in partnership with Iheart's

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Speaker 1: Michael Duda podcast network. In the US, Elian was constantly

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Speaker 1: followed by cameras, but back in Cuba, he was mostly

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Speaker 1: celebration at his school, Elian sang and in the front

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Speaker 1: row Videl Gastro looking proud. To be clear as I

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Speaker 1: can remember, no other kid in Cuba, not even Castro's

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Speaker 1: with Castro attending. After Castro's speech, the school children chanted

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Speaker 1: his name. Back in Miami, Cuban Americans cringed at Fidel

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Speaker 1: and Alien's friendship, but.

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Speaker 3: Also them on his wing. It was a shining star

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Speaker 1: This is Alina mayoas the veteran Miami journalist you heard

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Speaker 4: You know, they keep him happy, and he's a symbol

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Speaker 4: that it was good to stay, that it was good

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Speaker 1: And here is Cuban American historian Alfere talking about older Aliens.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing is just so sad, right like, because

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Speaker 4: what does it mean that he says he wants to

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Speaker 1: Some of the Cuban Americans we interviewed bilieve Elian has

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Speaker 1: is that Elian and his family went on a two

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Speaker 1: He seemed like any other person, and Elian went back

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Speaker 1: Despite the occasional attention. Eliam seemed to live a relatively

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Speaker 1: This is Harold Cardinas, the Cuban journalists you have heard

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Speaker 5: He was very discreet, he was very shy. I was

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Speaker 5: in the trivenal took his final test in the philosophy class,

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Speaker 1: Eleen eventually fell in love and had a daughter. He

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Speaker 3: That's what the exile community feared that once he's over there,

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Speaker 1: In interviews, Elean has insisted that his heart is in Cuba,

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Speaker 1: that he's there because he wants to be. This is

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Speaker 1: On paper, it sounds nice, right. The problem is that

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Speaker 1: If she had not died, maybe I would be in

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Speaker 1: and Alien says that in Miami, when he was separated

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Speaker 1: says he's thankful for the other Americans who pushed for

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Speaker 3: We fought so hard to keep the boy here.

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Speaker 1: Here is Alena again, the Miami based journalist. Years after

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Speaker 1: Elean returned to Cuba, she maintained hope he would eventually

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Speaker 3: Cami naive. I always thought that little boy, somebody put

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Speaker 1: But now with Elean as an adult, the hope has

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Speaker 3: Though possibility every year dims even more because of the circumstances,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't the first time he said this, Just like

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Speaker 1: But if I wanted to leave this island, I could go.

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Speaker 1: Elean knows people think he will controlled by Fidel Castro.

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Speaker 1: Here is Ada Ferede again, the Queban American historian.

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Speaker 4: It just shows this insistence on hanging on to to

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Speaker 1: And then recently, Elian said something in an interview with

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Speaker 7: San Diego, that it will be cowardly of him to

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Speaker 1: They fought hard for me to be with my father.

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Speaker 1: It will be hypocritical for me to leave. This shows

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Speaker 1: there is another level of complexity here. Dailian feels in

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