1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Everybody. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: What's going on, DJ, Bucky here on, move the sticks. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: A lot to get to today, of course. Uh, we've 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: got life that we've gotta get to today, Bucky, both 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: Bucky and myself. We've got some workers at the house 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: right now fixing some problems. But we're still squeezing in 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: the pot here Buck. How you doing, Bucky, man, I'm good. 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited. Coming off of that Super Bowl. Some people 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: would say a very boring super Bowl. I found it 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: very um thrilling and compelling to watch. So I can't 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: wait to talk to you about that. And you know, 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: like as you said, you tweeted it out right after 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: the game in his Draft season less go oh yeah, no, 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: I'm I'm fired up man. It's uh. The combine list 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: will be coming out probably later this week to get 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: a chance to to start digesting all those names, and 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I've been cranking on offensive guys here. My goal was 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: at the end of the week to be done with 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: all of receivers, running backs, quarterbacks, tight ends, so all 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: the skill position players and then hopefully we'll get a 21 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: chance here maybe even on another podcast this week to 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: start jumping into some of those guys and and discussing 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: what we see from that group. But before we get there, back, 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: I do want to get your thoughts on the super 25 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: Bowl because I had a chance with the PBu with 26 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: Rhett to to go through this yesterday and we've talked offline, 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: but I want to get some of your thoughts on 28 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the air here, just like some big takeaways you took 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: from that game at wow. UM, I think the biggest 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: takeaway that I have when I think about the Patriots, Um, 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: it is not about the collection of talent, but it's 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: about putting together the right complimentary pieces to build the 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: best team. And when I look at them, uh, the 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: pieces of the jigsaw pozsle just fit. And even though 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: on the outside there have been times when we say, man, 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: I just don't know how they're able to win with 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: this roster, when you look at their individual players, some 38 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: of the players you're like, man, this guy is not 39 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: a high level player. But for them, in their system 40 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: and the way that they use them, surrounded about the 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: people that they have, they have been able to elevate 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: a number of dudes. And then when you have a 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: coaching staff that is versatile and you have high i 44 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Q players. It allows you to be multifaceted. And I 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: think what we've seen is their multiplicity gives them an 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to win each and every week, each and every year, 47 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: and no matter what we say about the pages that 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: they can't get it done, they will always be a 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: team that we have to consider one of the contenders 50 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: until the Bill Belichick area is done. I think there's 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: an interesting contrast, and it's been fleshed out a little 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: bit on Twitter. Um, but the the thought process of 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: most championship teams is this is what we do best. 54 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: We will do what we do best and uh, and 55 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: we will win or lose with what we do best. 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: And the Patriots have taken the philosophy of we will 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: find out what you do worst, we will make you, 58 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: make you play in such a fashion and style because 59 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: we can conform and contort and be versatile enough to 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: play every style of game, every type of scheme. So 61 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: we're instead of doing what we do best, We're gonna 62 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna do what you you cover worst, what you 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: can't stop, and what you struggle to do. Uh. They 64 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: play on that side of thinking versus doing what we're 65 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: gonna do it. It's a definitely an interesting twist on things. 66 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: I know, if we had to compare to pictures, Uh, 67 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: the l A rams are more like a Marianna Reverair, 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: like they're gonna throw these they're gonna do it over 69 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: and over again, whereas the pages are more like a 70 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: Greg Maddox. They have a wide array of pitches that 71 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: they can get you out with. The fastball may not 72 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: be the best fastball, but because they have so many 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: other things that they throw at you, you're always confused 74 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: by what is coming down the pipe. And I think 75 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: the Pagris win because of the level of confusion and 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: hesitancy that they are able to create in the minds 77 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: of not only the players, the opponents players, but in 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: the minds of the opposing coaches. You just never know 79 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: what you're going to get, and it's a huge advantage 80 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: for them each and every week because you prepare for 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: stuff that you may I ever see, and so we 82 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: just gives them an advantage. I want to get your 83 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: thoughts on this. I try and do this every year, 84 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: and normally we discussed it on the pot. I don't 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: know if we've done it every year but I always 86 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: at the end of the year like to look at 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: a team that want it all and look, there's lessons 88 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: we can take from any number of teams in the 89 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: NFL that have had six success this year. But I 90 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: always like to come up and try and just get 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: five takeaways that can help us on the personnel side, 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: not only with drafting and building a team, but building 93 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: an organization. And so here are the five lessons that 94 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: I learned from this New England Patriots team. Buck We've 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: touched on some of this, but toughness matters. Um, just 96 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: don't bring tough players. Don't bring players into your building 97 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: that lack toughness. They don't do that. They don't make exceptions. 98 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: If you're not tough, Um, you're not going to be 99 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: a New England Patriot. Number Two, the offensive line coach 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: outside the head coach is the most important coach on 101 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: your roster. And you talk about toughness. They set the 102 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: tempo for your team, They protect your most important asset. 103 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: They provide that physical presence in the run game, and 104 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: that group is kind of the lifeblood. And I look, 105 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: not that's not even not just the Patriots. I think 106 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: you can look over at the Rams and Cromer's one 107 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: of the best in the business over there, and look 108 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: at the success they've had. Number Three, versatile linebackers. Uh. 109 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: We always talk about run covering hit um and uh 110 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: run can then also run covering Blitz and I think 111 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: when you look at their linebackers having some pass rush experience, 112 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: guys that can play inside outside, that versatility allows you 113 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: to morph and put guys in different spots. And when 114 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: you are rushing the passer, you're not really rushing the 115 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: passer with an off the ball linebacker. You're rushing the 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: pastor with somebody that actually has a little bit of 117 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: experience uh coming off the edge in college. I think 118 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: that's huge. Number four, the value of the inline tight end. UM. 119 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: I saw the Patriots bludging people in the run game 120 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: with Gronk, and then you saw in this game when 121 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: they needed the two biggest pass plays really of the 122 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 1: game for the Patriots, they were both on Gronk getting 123 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: him on a linebacker. And the reason that he's got 124 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: a linebacker covering him is because they were in the 125 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: ball so dang much. Um that that you can't you 126 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: can't put a skill player, you can't drop a safety 127 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: down over him or he's gonna he's gonna mow him 128 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: off the ball and you're not be able to stop 129 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: the run. So that value of a true two way 130 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: in line white tight end. And finally, lastly, UM investing 131 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: in special teams, not just in your putter and your kicker, 132 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: but I look at a guy like Matt Slayter. If 133 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: you get somebody that is a pro UM, that is 134 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: a dominant coverage player, that's worth something. There's a reason 135 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: why the Patriots always take those guys way higher in 136 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the draft than people think, because that is hidden yardage man, 137 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: when you're pinning guys inside the tent, because you've gotten 138 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: excellent not only a punter, but a coverage player to 139 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: get down there. That is huge. And they've made an 140 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: investment in that in that role, in that position for 141 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: quite some time. They absolutely have. I believe in all 142 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: of those takeaways that you have talked about, Like the 143 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: toughness is definitely something that we have to talk about. UM. 144 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: The you know, you can knock their methods UM in 145 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 1: terms of them practicing outside or practicing with with balls. 146 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: There's some of the things that they do. They condition 147 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: maybe more than any other team in an old school fashion, 148 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: but that team is tough mentally and physically. Uh the 149 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: offensive line the way at Dante Scarneki was able to 150 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of put this group together. They took on any 151 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: and all comers, especially down in the playoffs, and they 152 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: dominated and control the point of attack. They were able 153 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: to impose their will with the running and while protecting 154 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I think that matters. You talked about the 155 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: tied end and how Grob Gronkowski, even though he is 156 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily the player that he once was, he is 157 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: still a dominant player because he sets the edge and 158 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: the running game, and there's value to that. So those 159 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: things certainly matter. I think I would add um something 160 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: to it. When it comes to the quarterback, you have 161 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: to have a franchise quarterback, not because you need to 162 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: lean on him all the time, but when you need him. 163 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady didn't have his best stuff in Super Bowl 164 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: fifty three, and he hadn't been at his best throughout 165 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: the year, but whenever the Patriots have needed him in 166 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: a timely situation, in a critical situation, they could give 167 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: the ball to him and trust that number twelve would 168 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: get it done. And so as much as we talked 169 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: about building around the quarterback. Yes, you want to build 170 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: a team around the quarterback and make sure that the 171 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: quarterback is elevated. But I think the Page is demonstrate 172 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: that you want to be balanced enough where you don't 173 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: have to lean on the quarterback all the time, but 174 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: just when you need him. And I think that is 175 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: something that I'll take away from it that if I'm 176 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: building a team, I want to make sure that I 177 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: have all the other pieces in place where look, some 178 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: games we may not need Tom Brady to be at 179 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: his best, but when we do need him in game, 180 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: he can do it. And I think the Pages have 181 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: built a balanced team that is not necessarily wholly dependent 182 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: on the quarterback, but if they do need to depend 183 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: on the quarterback, the quarterback still can come through. Yeah, 184 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like in case of emergency, Brake Glass, 185 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of what you what you need a quarterback 186 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: for in that situation. But I think you mentioned it there. 187 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a complete team. Um Brady. People say, 188 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, Brady so upset. People say he's slipping, and 189 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: he is slipping. He's not the same Tom Brady that 190 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: he was five years ago. But like Bucky said, he's 191 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: he's somebody that when you get in those big moments, 192 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: he finds a way to elevate his play and elevate 193 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: his game, and they can kind of they can kind 194 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: of use all their other avenues to get where they 195 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: need to get, and then once you get to clutch time, 196 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: he's he is. To go back to your baseball reference, 197 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: he is your Mariano Rivera. He can kind of close 198 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: it out for you. Um. I want to transition a 199 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: little bit here, buck. Um, I don't know that. I 200 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: don't know we've had a more fascinating player, um on 201 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: our evaluation than what we have with Kyler Murray at Oklahoma. Um, 202 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: we'll see. I know the interview. Uh, do you get 203 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: a chance to see the interview with Dan Patrick? It 204 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: was extremely awkward and uncomfortable. I don't know why they 205 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: put him out there for that. Well, first of all, 206 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: was your take on that you get a chance to 207 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: see it. I get a chance to see it, and 208 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I know he was just kind of like uncomtably. Couldn't 209 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: really like you would think that someone who is kind 210 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: of juggling both responsibilities where I gonna play baseball and 211 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: football would have a more kind of like cookie cutter 212 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: answer or when that comes down the pipe in the 213 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: fact that he couldn't really address it or kind of 214 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: give uh insight on what he's thinking, where his love, 215 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: where his passion is Me. It's a little concerning because 216 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: if I'm a scout, now I'm a football scout and 217 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Cala Murray, the one thing that I 218 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: want to know is and where does football kind of ring? 219 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Are you a football player that is kind of masquerading 220 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: as a baseball player? Uh? Where are you in? This? 221 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: For me comes on the heels of watching the thirty 222 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: on Dion when Diane was playing both sports. I just 223 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of want to know that if we take you 224 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: with the high pick, you're going to be invested in 225 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: being the best football player that you can be. And 226 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: right now, Caler Murray hasn't given me that since all 227 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: the way it is locked into being an outstanding football player, 228 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: better yet in outstanding quarterback. So I've talked to some 229 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: teams Buck and uh, you know how this process works. 230 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the decision makers haven't even got to 231 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: him yet, haven't done him, haven't finished him. A lot 232 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: of area scouts have. They have gone in there and 233 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: done some work on him and the reports that I 234 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: get back, you know, in terms of just canny play 235 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: in the playing ability. And I have my own thoughts 236 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: on that as to you. Um, but I don't get 237 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: I don't get from people saying this guy can't play 238 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: at the next level. I don't get that at all. Uh. 239 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: There seems to be a pretty strong consensus that even 240 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: at five nine, Um, this guy is dynamic, he can 241 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: find a way to get it done, and he's he's interesting. 242 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: He's very interesting. So I brought up this point and 243 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: pose it on Twitter. You tell me, you tell me 244 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: if I'm crazy. UM, I think Kyler Murray is in 245 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: a unique situation. I think you gotta go back to 246 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: John Elway to find and I know he's not the 247 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: consensus number one pick, but if he's getting feedback from 248 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: all these different teams that there's significant interest in him 249 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: as a first round pick. With a handful of teams 250 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: in the market for quarterbacks, he can pick which team 251 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: he wants to play for. All he's gotta do is 252 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: tell the other thirty one. I'm not meeting with you, 253 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: I'm not working out for you. I will not play 254 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: if you draft me, I will go play baseball. So 255 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: if you want to spend a first round pick on me, 256 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: go ahead, But I want I'm going to play for 257 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: the A's. He has all the cards. If he wants 258 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: to go play for the Miami Dolphins and wants to 259 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: live in Miami and be in the sun and be 260 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: down there, and that's where he wants to be, he 261 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: can make that happen because he could get together with 262 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. And I know this might fly in the 263 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: face of NFL. I wouldn't us talk about this um, 264 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: But I don't see why he couldn't force his way 265 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: to a team. Am I crazy? It is like the 266 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: way the situation plays out, because I do believe you're 267 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: right with him having all the cards, he certainly can 268 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: dictate the terms in terms of what team would I 269 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: like to play for, what coaching staff, what scheme would 270 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: be the best for me to be able to kind 271 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: of maximize my talents as a dual threat quarterback. I 272 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: think Cala Murray is in that John Alway scenario where 273 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: he can say, no, I'm not gonna work out for you. 274 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything at the combine. I'm 275 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: only going to meet with this hand these handful of teams, 276 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let it play out because baseball is 277 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: always a trump card that he can use. Yeah, I 278 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: just think it'd be it'd be fascint to see. Where 279 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: would you want to go? I mean, um, you've got 280 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: you've got a New York team there with the Giants. 281 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if he fits into what they're looking for, 282 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: what they want, but you've got Jacksonville, who I think 283 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense for you just need your 284 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: quarterback to go out there with their with the talent 285 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: they have on the defensive side of the ball, hopefully 286 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: get Leonard Fournette back playing at high level, get healthy 287 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Hey, we just need you to 288 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: go make some places. We need to make five six 289 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: plays a game and we can go win. That would 290 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: be one I would keep an eye on. And then 291 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Elway. I meant to be so ironic if if 292 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: if Lway got a player to use the same card 293 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: that he used as a dual dual sport guy, uh 294 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: to get his guy, and maybe it would be Kyler Murray. 295 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: I just think that would be it will be a 296 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: fascinating situation to monitor and to watch. But I can't 297 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: recall a player having this type of leverage that he possesses. 298 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: And I had other people reach out towards off. But 299 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: if if you if they convince uh, you know, a 300 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: team convince him that they're gonna take him, then they 301 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to spend the first round pick on them. 302 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Then they could just take him. I said, yeah, No, 303 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's camp would tell him you don't take me 304 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: in the top ten at coming. So they still have 305 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: all the cards he can. He continues to have all 306 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: the cards because of the baseball thing that is in 307 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: uh play, the contract, the money. The money would probably 308 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: be more significant in baseball as we get close and 309 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: closer to his report date in March. UM, I think 310 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: the big thing for Kyler Murray, and I think is 311 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: really important for him and his his team, his agency 312 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: advisors or whatever. As they're looking down the pipe. It 313 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: is more important than ever for quarterbacks to be surrounded 314 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: by the right things. UM. We talked about play callers, 315 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: UM scheme, the people around him on the perimeter. They 316 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: need all of those things to be successful. And so 317 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: if I'm Kyler Murray and I'm looking like at Jacksonville 318 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: in particularly, I like the defense and I like some 319 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: of the weapons on the outside. But I mean, I 320 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: don't know if the new office coordinator is able to 321 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of handle and do and be creative enough, uh 322 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: for Kyler Murray. I do know that there are some 323 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: teams that can certainly play with a guy like Kyler 324 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Murray and kind of open up the playbook and allow 325 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: him to do everything that he's done in Oklahoma. But 326 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that is really really important. I think, using 327 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Golf as the example, we have seen the difference 328 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: between a high end quarterback who goes to a situation 329 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: where he doesn't have the right play calling the right scheme, 330 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: versus when the right play call in the right quarterback 331 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: whisperer kind of shows up and it makes a difference. 332 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: And so if I'm a quarterback like Kelly Murray, I 333 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: just want to make sure that I give myself the 334 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: best opportunity to kind of shine at the next level. 335 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: And so he does need to kind of make sure 336 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: that if he can control where he goes and he 337 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: finds the right fit for him and what his game is, 338 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: no doubt. Before we before we get out here, we 339 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: got a quick episode today, but I want to swing 340 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: back over to the Rams and when you kind of 341 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: look at them going into the off season, buck, Um, 342 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: you know what areas do you look at to address? 343 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: They're so close. They're right there. Um, even in that 344 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: game and it's a fourth quarter, they have a chance 345 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. Um, You've got a young quarterback, 346 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: You've got a young head coach. Um. You know, there 347 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: are some some concerns on the roster. I think first 348 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: and foremost would be wit Worth. Does wit Worth come back? 349 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: That is a gaping hole if he doesn't. I know 350 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: they like note boom, but to me, that's a significant 351 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: drop off if he does not come back. The size 352 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the retire um. So there's see what happens in terms 353 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: the roster turnover. I know that you know Sue will 354 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: probably go wherever the money is the most. Um. So 355 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I I kind of tell me if I'm crazy on 356 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: this one. I I look at what Philadelphia has done 357 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: and tried to on a rookie quarterback deal with with 358 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz same year. Obviously, is golf to make themselves 359 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: an attractive one to two year destination for some of 360 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: these veterans that don't get the money that they want. Um, 361 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: come in here, We're gonna have a young talent. We're 362 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: gonna pay. We're gonna pay our young guys when they 363 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: come up. Aaron Donald Todd gurally take care of them. 364 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: We haven't had to pay the quarterback yet. So we'll 365 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: take on these these one two year rentals. We'll take 366 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: on the bennetts Um, We'll take on the THEA. Garrett 367 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: Blunts of J. G. I. E. Types. I could see 368 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: the Rams doing the same type of thing and say, Okay, 369 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: some of these faces and names might change. You know. 370 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it's not to leave and Peters and Sue, but 371 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: we can get other guys that we can kind of 372 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: get it. We can trade for them. We can bring 373 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: guys in on short term deals and not to lock 374 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: ourselves in long term. Yeah, I think so. I think 375 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: in basketball it's kind of like um what they go 376 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: to stay Warriors have been able to do in terms 377 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: of filling the guys around their main core. You get 378 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: guys that are motivated to have an opportunity to play 379 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: for a championship on a one or two year deal 380 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: to maybe rebuild their careers, and maybe you can have 381 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: some success doing that. I think the bigger thing when 382 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: I look at the Rams, I think they are really 383 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: coming down the piper. They're gonna have to make a 384 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: major decision on what to do with the quarterback. Um 385 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: quarterback isn't like the final year, then he has an 386 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: option year left on his deal and they have to 387 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: make a decision. Are we going to pay him with 388 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: the market bearers, which is anywhere from like a five 389 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: to thirty million per year deal for him to be 390 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: the QB one, or are they going to try and 391 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: hold a hard line and kind of keep him on 392 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: a team friendly deal that allows them to continue to 393 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: build up the other stuff around him, or finally, will 394 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: they just kind of move on and see if they 395 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: can find something better being in the draft or whatever, 396 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: because they feel like the quarterback position is one that 397 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: is always going to be elevated by that system. Um 398 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I think less. Nie Sean McVeigh have to do some 399 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: serious thinking when it comes to Jerry Golf and how 400 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: he fits into their long term plans, because the decision 401 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: that they make with him will ultimately determine how they 402 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: build it out. And we talked off offline yesterday, what 403 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: you have to pay Jerry Golf could give you four 404 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: or five really good players. So they have to determine 405 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: what is more valuable. Is my quarterback worth four or 406 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: five players, or would I'd rather have four or five 407 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: players and go back in the draft and find a 408 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: young quarterback that we can do similar stuff. I think 409 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: that's the thing less need and the staff they have 410 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: to determine, uh, this offseason, which way do they want 411 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: to approach and when it comes to building the team 412 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: long term. And on that subject, that gets me even 413 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 1: thinking about the Oakland Raiders and and where they go 414 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,239 Speaker 1: with their future here. Um, did they decide, you know, man, 415 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: they've got a lot of money right now. But if 416 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: they did decide, um, hey, we want to go draft 417 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you know, maybe it's a Haskins there in 418 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: the top ten and uh, and maybe they do decide 419 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: to move on from Derek Carr and the you know, 420 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: the cost benefit there of what you could do with 421 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: that money saved over not just in one year, but 422 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: over the length of that rookie quarterback contract. It's an 423 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: interest discussion. I'm exu to see which team is going 424 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: to be the first to do it. It's gonna it's 425 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna which team with a competent quarterback that has proven 426 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: they can win in this league that is young, but 427 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: is going into that big money deal. Which team is 428 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: going to have the courage to say, I choose the 429 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: four players I can get instead of signing this quarterback 430 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: to this deal. Who it's It's gonna take some courage 431 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: to do that, man. But you know, of all the 432 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: teams that can do it, the Oakland Raiders absolutely could 433 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: do it. Um. The thing about it is John Gruten 434 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: is gonna be there for the next nine years that 435 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: we know for sure. John Gruten can take that approach, 436 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: swing and myths and still have an opportunity to go 437 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: back and make it right if he doesn't do it. 438 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: And so when you when you when you think about it, 439 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: maybe the Duwayne Haskin or to Drew Lock or whoever 440 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: they kind of fancy themselves liking at quarterback. Maybe this 441 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: is the time to move on from Derek Carr. Folks, 442 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: don't getting the young quarterback really draft will especially like, 443 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: what do we think Derek Carr would let you back 444 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: on the open market if you trade them a couple 445 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: of top picks in a defensive heavy draft that has 446 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: a lot of star quality defensive players. I mean, you 447 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: talked about putting together defense like Jacksonville has kind of 448 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: put together with young talented playmakers, kind of coming together. 449 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the approach that the Open Raiders take to 450 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: kind of bring them back to prominence. All Right, I'm 451 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: ask you a tough question here, give me an answer. 452 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: If you are the Denver Broncos, would you trade the 453 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: tenth pick in the draft for Derek Carr? The better 454 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: question would be if you know open races, would you 455 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: trade within the division? But yeah, I think if I'm 456 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, I absolutely would make that move. So 457 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: you say that in the division. Every time the discussion 458 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: comes back Donovan mcnabbed Philadelphia to Washington. I mean, I 459 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: get it. If you're the Oakland Raiders, what do you 460 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: really think about Derek Carr? Because you don't think he 461 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: can come back to bite you, then you absolutely make 462 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: the movie. You don't worry about it. Like the Philadelphi Eavils, 463 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: they didn't think that Donovan mecnab would come back good 464 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: by him, and they were proven right because he never 465 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: necessarily did anything when he left Philadelphia. So yeah, I 466 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: think it's more the evaluation that the Raiders have on 467 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, how they view him how they view him 468 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: compared to others in the league could lead them to 469 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: do it. And then if you're the Denver Broncos, what 470 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: you're weighing is what is Derek Carr at his best 471 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: versus what case Keenum is at his best? And I 472 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: think we always say that Derek Carr isn't a lot 473 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: more A lot more in juice, a lot more juice. Yeah, yeah, 474 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: I think, I think. I I think I would do 475 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: I would I would do it if I was Denver. Um. 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: You know they're picking ten. They're kind of a no 477 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: man's land. Um, You've got Von Miller, who is a star. 478 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: You've got Bradley Chubb, You've got you've got some really 479 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: good pieces on defense. Um, if you can get the 480 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: quarterback thing figured out or not that far away, man, 481 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: I don't know that would be It would definitely be 482 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: a surprise to do something like that in the division 483 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: I mentioned Donovan McNabb. I know it's been done, it's 484 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: not common, it's more than likely would never happen. But 485 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: in that case, you would have the Oakland Raiders picking four, 486 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: picking ten, they would also be picking twenty four and seven. 487 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean, good lord, So how about we we spent 488 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: it four, so we won't set in New York Jazz. 489 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: But how about if you're sitting there at Jacksonville, all right, Yeah, 490 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: the Jackman Jaguars, I think they're picking seven, seven seven, 491 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: So the Jackman Jaguars are picking seven. Derek Carr is available, 492 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: you feel like you're a team that is right there 493 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: ready to go. Would you give up something for Derek Carr? 494 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: Would you rather have a Derek Carr than a Nick Foles? 495 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: You probably have to pay them about the same, So 496 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: which one would you rather have to kind of bring 497 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: you back in that offense? Um, that still is gonna 498 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: be run heavy, but you can do some things with 499 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback that you believe would elevate your team. Yeah, 500 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: I mean I think he's I think he'd be the 501 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: best option. You know, if you think that your quarterback away, 502 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: I think he would be the best option that they 503 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: would have available. I really do. Man. That is that 504 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: is fascinating because that is one of the things and 505 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: and people haven't really talked about this when it comes 506 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: to the Raiders, but it's something that certainly can be 507 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: in play because they can get out of this deal 508 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: by the fifth day of the league year. And so 509 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: if I'm John Gruden and I know I'm in it 510 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: for the long call. And also kind of based on 511 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: how smitten the Raiders seemed to be with those quarterbacks 512 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: that they had on their rosse at the senior ball, 513 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: maybe just maybe Derek Carr is more available than people think. Man, 514 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 1: you jettison him, maybe you trade him not for one 515 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: this year, but maybe a future number one to make 516 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: sure that you were just a power player years. Yeah, 517 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: they've got two, They've got two ones next year to right. 518 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you can just load up and 519 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: say that we're just gonna own the draft and over 520 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: the next two years, we're gonna get six or seven 521 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: really really really good players that are gonna make this 522 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: thing happen for us. Now I'm excited, I mean not 523 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: just because our buddy Mayok is there, but I'm excited 524 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: to watch how the Raiders do this thing. I mean, 525 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: they have a blank canvas. It's like almost darn near 526 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: an expansion team. Um, they've got a chance to build 527 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: this thing from the ground floor up. And if they 528 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: do trade the quarterback, it really is basically an expansion 529 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: team with a whole bunch of draft picks, um, So 530 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: it'll be interest to see what they do. Yeah, a 531 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: whole bunch of draft picks. And I think that comes 532 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: down to your confidence as a front office and knowing 533 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be able to identify the players that 534 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: we need and then as a coaching staff, I'm gonna 535 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: be able to develop those players once we bring them in. 536 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: What kind of confidence does John Gruten have in his 537 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: eye and his teaching skills? Because if he has confidence 538 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: in those two areas, why not make a move to 539 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: just really go all in In a way, this is very, 540 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: very similar to the Cleveland Browns, and we're like Cleveland 541 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: now with Baker Mayfield and what they've been able to do. 542 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: But really the last two years they've been able to 543 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: kind of bring on on board a lot of talented 544 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: players daven and Joeku and some of the other guys 545 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: that they brought in, Miles Garrett. That is kind of 546 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: like the core that is going to elevate the Browns. 547 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: The Raiders could look to see the brown success and 548 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: be you know what, that might not be a bad idea. 549 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: We get out from up under his big contract with 550 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback and we're able to kind of evenly distribute 551 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: the money and get better players because they also can 552 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: make some some veterans that I know. Yeah, that that's 553 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna be fun to watch how they build that 554 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: thing up there in Oakland. All right, Buck, We've we've 555 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: got to run, But we are gonna have another episode 556 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: this week. We're gonna start jumping into some of these 557 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: college players. I am. I'm excited, uh to get jumping 558 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: on on that discussion. I've been kind of I feel 559 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: like I've been in the cave here the whole Super 560 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Bowl week, just kind of banging away at these guys. 561 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: But uh, it's look top heavy wise. I don't think 562 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: it's a super top heavy draft, um, but I do 563 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a lot of value there, there's 564 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: some depth, and uh there's some really good football players 565 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: to be found, and they're gonna find them. In my opinion, 566 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: in this draft, you're gonna find a lot of good 567 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: players in that fifteen to forty range. I'm not gonna 568 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: be a whole lot different between fifteen and forty. It's 569 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: gonna be fun to see how these guys end up 570 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: coming off the board. Yeah, it is going to be fun, 571 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: and I believe like this is a draft where the 572 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: teams that are really good with the draft process, that 573 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: really understand how the spot talent and where to value 574 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: them appropriately on the board, they're going to clean up. 575 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: And I continue to believe with so many young coaches 576 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: taken over this year that the divide between the good 577 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: and the bad teams will only grow. And so those 578 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: front officers who have experienced coaches in the life, I 579 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: think the andel has significant advantage over others. We will 580 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: see how they're able to use the draft to kind 581 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: of really set themselves apart from the rest of the pack. 582 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: Well as as kind of one NFL season comes to 583 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: a close, we also have a little season here on 584 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: Move the Sticks comes to a close because our good 585 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: buddy Cam who has been uh has been has just 586 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: been nails for us throughout the entire fall, helping us 587 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: keep this Move the Sticks UH ship afloat here. Buck, 588 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: he's been outstanding and now he is the way the 589 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: contracts work here. He gets a little bit of a break. Um, 590 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: so he's gonna be gone for a little while. But 591 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: I do want to get Cam on the horn here 592 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: so we can tell him thank you for all the 593 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: work that he's done for This is a lot that 594 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: goes into the audio and the videos that we pump 595 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: out here. Um and Cam has been a big member 596 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: of the move the six teams. So Cam, thank you 597 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: so much for I'll let you done, buddy, Hey, no problem. 598 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys allow me to work with you. 599 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: You guys have been exemplary. I mean, everything's been just fantastic. 600 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: I graduated in May, never expected this in my wildest dreams, 601 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: and to be working with two guys that are fantastic, 602 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: it's beyond words. I can't speak enough in glowing terms 603 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: about you guys. Thank you so much for the opportunity, 604 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: Bucky DJ and I'm super excited for what the future 605 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: holds only from myself, but for the show. You guys 606 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: are awesome. You're the best, the best voice we've ever 607 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: had on the movie the Sticks podcast. By the way, 608 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: bucket mean absolute voice, like the drops that he did 609 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: on the campaign, like look, Cam is so talented so 610 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: many different areas where it's behind the scenes doing what 611 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: he's been able to do for the podcast or even 612 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: maybe chasing his dreams of being I played by play 613 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: announcer the voice to Chops all of this stuff screams 614 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: star are at some point, I know it's gonna happen 615 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: for Yeah, it's fun to watch just this kind of 616 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: little project that we've had and see we're taking guys, 617 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: you know, and we've got TD, who's who's over working 618 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: with Lebron doing his thing. We've got Sully who's moved 619 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: on to greener pastures and he's doing his thing over 620 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: there at Yahoo. We've got guys all over the map. 621 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: We've you know, I go to these All Star games 622 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: and you'd be shocked at the number of young scouts 623 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: that come up to me and Bucky and tell us, 624 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, hey, we you know, I listened to your show. 625 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: I was a part of the draft contest you guys did. Um, 626 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: it's just it's cool. You know, we've got we've got 627 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: a nice niche here in the football world, and it's 628 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: fun to see this kind of community that we've built. 629 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: And it's a tight knit group and and everybody goes 630 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: on to bigger and better and we couldn't be happier. So, um, 631 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: Cam's Cam's one of the one of the good ones. 632 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: So we're excited for you, Cam. Hopefully we see it 633 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: back here soon. Uh If not, we know you're gonna 634 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: go on and uh and and tear things up. So 635 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: good job, buddy. Hey certainly gentlemen, Thank you guys so much. 636 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: All Right, there you go. That's gonna do it for 637 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: us today, Buck, anything else you want to add before 638 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: we get out of here, No, No, I think you 639 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: hit it. Man. I can't wait till we get to 640 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: the next podcast to really begin to kind of dealing 641 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: to the draft season, because I'm really excited about this class. Yeah, 642 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: We've We've got some some cool things coming up. We'll 643 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: get jump into these players. Actually, I believe we're gonna 644 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: have Bruce Felton on the show next So we'll have 645 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Felmon on the next episode. We can talk about 646 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: some background on some of these kids. We're gonna roll 647 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: the interview that you did with Dwayne Haskins, one of 648 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: the more intriguing players in this draft class and uh 649 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: and the best player of the draft class as well. 650 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: Buck doing work out there at the Super Bowl last week. 651 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: So we'll have a Bucky chat with Nick Bosa, who 652 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: I know I believe is the is the premier player 653 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: in this draft class. So a lot to look forward 654 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: to coming up. On the next Move the Sticks podcast. 655 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys listen. We'll catch you next time right here. 656 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and 657 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. For more, go to nfl dot com Slash 658 00:29:49,160 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: Podcasts sixteen