1
00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040
Speaker 1: Can't I am six forty.

2
00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560
Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

3
00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,520
Speaker 1: How Are You Welcome?

4
00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,039
Speaker 2: We're on every day from one until four and then

5
00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,800
Speaker 2: after four o'clock John Cobelt's show on demand on the

6
00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,920
Speaker 2: iHeart app. That's the podcast version. You can hear what

7
00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,120
Speaker 2: you missed. Moistline for Friday. Last Moistline of the year

8
00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,479
Speaker 2: is tomorrow eight seven seven moist eighty six, eight seven

9
00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,200
Speaker 2: seven moist eighty six. If you can't spell on the

10
00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,320
Speaker 2: phone eight seven seven six six four seven eight eighty six.

11
00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,960
Speaker 2: It also works to usually talkback feature on the iHeart

12
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,239
Speaker 2: Radio app. Tomorrow the final two moistlines in the three

13
00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,879
Speaker 2: o'clock hour of twenty twenty four, but it will be

14
00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,000
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty five.

15
00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,080
Speaker 1: We continue now with you know.

16
00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,559
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a new legislative session up in that

17
00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,800
Speaker 2: tox success pool in Sacramento, and one of the new

18
00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,960
Speaker 2: assembly members is our old friend Carl DeMaio, who runs

19
00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,400
Speaker 2: Reform California, an activist group that's done a lot of

20
00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,840
Speaker 2: good work to try to fight all the nonsense that

21
00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,320
Speaker 2: comes out of Sacramento, and he's now an assemblyman representing

22
00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,080
Speaker 2: a district as a Republican in the state Assembly. And

23
00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,560
Speaker 2: as you know, when you get a new job, join

24
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,000
Speaker 2: a new company, they have a training seminar for you.

25
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,760
Speaker 2: And he's attended it and written a piece for the

26
00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,440
Speaker 2: Southern California News Group about it.

27
00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 1: Carl, how are you, I'm good.

28
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,200
Speaker 2: Well, did they give you an employee badge or I

29
00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,759
Speaker 2: guess a security card to get through?

30
00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,880
Speaker 3: I cannot understand how untethered from reality these folks are.

31
00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,160
Speaker 3: But when you, you know, start your first day on

32
00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,560
Speaker 3: the job, they're trying I would say, to brainwash you

33
00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,520
Speaker 3: or you know, put you in some sort of reprogramming camp.

34
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,600
Speaker 3: It's how to be a politician and avoid accountability. That's

35
00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,480
Speaker 3: what I would you know, title this training course. They

36
00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,800
Speaker 3: sit you down and the first thing they do is

37
00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,080
Speaker 3: they say we're going to go through all the epics rules,

38
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,320
Speaker 3: and they walk through ethics rules. You know, you're allowed

39
00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,919
Speaker 3: to take gifts from lobbyists up to five hundred dollars

40
00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,280
Speaker 3: a year per person per lobbyists. And I'm like, I

41
00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,079
Speaker 3: don't know about you, but most people when they get

42
00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,919
Speaker 3: a job, they're not told hey, as a new employee,

43
00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,919
Speaker 3: do you know that people randomly are going to show

44
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,880
Speaker 3: up at the office and they're just going to give

45
00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,680
Speaker 3: you gifts up to five hundred dollars, but you can

46
00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,120
Speaker 3: only take up to five hundred. They then tell you

47
00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,280
Speaker 3: how you can get around having to report it. They say,

48
00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,119
Speaker 3: you know, the lobbyists can buy your dinner every night.

49
00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,400
Speaker 3: They can serve you alcohol as long as it can

50
00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,080
Speaker 3: fit on a small plate, or what they call the

51
00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:45,320
Speaker 3: toothpick rule, where you're eating food paid for by lobbyists

52
00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,360
Speaker 3: and drinking their booze. As long as it's not too much,

53
00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,040
Speaker 3: you don't have to report it, and as long as

54
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,639
Speaker 3: other people are there also getting booze and food. It's

55
00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,160
Speaker 3: considered a widely attended reception. You get to hit reception

56
00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,200
Speaker 3: after reception each night in Sacramento, and you get to

57
00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,000
Speaker 3: wine and dine at their expense. And I'm sitting back.

58
00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm literally they thinking, you people are absolutely insane. Buy

59
00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,760
Speaker 3: your own damn meal every night. That's what the real

60
00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,120
Speaker 3: people in the world have to do. Your own constituents

61
00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,120
Speaker 3: have to buy their own meals, and no one's giving

62
00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,200
Speaker 3: them five hundred dollars per person per year.

63
00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,119
Speaker 2: So they really go out on these reception tours every night,

64
00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,720
Speaker 2: picking at small plates of food all evening and drinking.

65
00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,600
Speaker 2: I guess it's unlimited how much you can drink.

66
00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I One of the Assembly members who's an incumbent,

67
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:44,480
Speaker 3: was briefing the new incoming freshman class. And by the way,

68
00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,320
Speaker 3: these are by person training classes because they're not talking

69
00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,600
Speaker 3: policy or politics. They're just talking about how the corrupt

70
00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,080
Speaker 3: system works. And she said, oh, yeah, I have my

71
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,360
Speaker 3: staff put four or five different receptions on my calendar.

72
00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:58,800
Speaker 1: Just loaded up.

73
00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,880
Speaker 3: I don't care what the receptions are about. I just

74
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,360
Speaker 3: show up and get the food. And I'm sitting there

75
00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,560
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, Oh, if only, if only the voters

76
00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,840
Speaker 3: could know about this. So then the second thing that

77
00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,440
Speaker 3: they teach is how to kill popular ideas, how to

78
00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,479
Speaker 3: kill popular bills with you know, a good policy in

79
00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,400
Speaker 3: it without voting no, because if you vote know then

80
00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,280
Speaker 3: the then I guess the constituents the voters would find

81
00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 3: out that you're actually trying to stop something good from happening.

82
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,000
Speaker 3: So what they do is they say, here's how you

83
00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:37,040
Speaker 3: can kill bills that that are wildly popular. First, the

84
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,040
Speaker 3: Democrat leadership that runs the show has something called the

85
00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,479
Speaker 3: Rules Committee. And the Rules Committee could just decide not

86
00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,880
Speaker 3: to refer a popular vote to a committee. But we

87
00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,799
Speaker 3: know that that makes it really apparent that the leadership

88
00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,160
Speaker 3: doesn't want something. So what we can do is we

89
00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,800
Speaker 3: can send it to a committee, and the chairman of

90
00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,520
Speaker 3: the committee could just decide not to bring the bill up,

91
00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,080
Speaker 3: not to hold a hearing, not to hold a vote. Well,

92
00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,359
Speaker 3: sometimes that doesn't work either. So what we do is

93
00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,719
Speaker 3: you can have a hearing on the bill and some

94
00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,239
Speaker 3: of the members that don't give a rip what happens

95
00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,200
Speaker 3: back home can vote against it. But if you're in

96
00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,560
Speaker 3: a target seat, you can get up and walk out

97
00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,040
Speaker 3: and you don't even have to vote, and a bill

98
00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,919
Speaker 3: could actually die with most people not voting at all.

99
00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,280
Speaker 3: And then, finally, the dirtiest trick is that you can

100
00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640
Speaker 3: actually vote for a bill, but then walk down the

101
00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,320
Speaker 3: hallway to another committee called the Appropriations Committee, and you

102
00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,679
Speaker 3: can tell them behind the closed door, can you please

103
00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 3: kill this bill without a vote. So the Appropriations committee

104
00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,599
Speaker 3: is the last stop, the last trick that they have

105
00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,600
Speaker 3: to kill a popular bill without voting against it. This

106
00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,000
Speaker 3: is where any bill that costs any money, and by golly,

107
00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,000
Speaker 3: most bills do cost money, can go to the Appropriation Committee.

108
00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,080
Speaker 3: And what they do is they just simply say, well,

109
00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,880
Speaker 3: we don't have time to talk about it, so we're

110
00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400
Speaker 3: going to just file it away in something called the

111
00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,360
Speaker 3: suspense file. And that means that no vote has to

112
00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,279
Speaker 3: be cast against the bill, it dies. And this is

113
00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,440
Speaker 3: how the lobbyists, the powerful special interests, the corporate interests,

114
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,480
Speaker 3: the union bosses are able to go and stop that

115
00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,039
Speaker 3: legislation that they don't want that might be very popular

116
00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,760
Speaker 3: back in the district with the people, but they can

117
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,960
Speaker 3: kill it without the politicians being held accountable. This is

118
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,480
Speaker 3: the insanity that they work under.

119
00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,440
Speaker 1: They explain this at the training session.

120
00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:37,680
Speaker 3: Yes it's called a briefing in the legislative process, and like, no,

121
00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,719
Speaker 3: this is not a legislative process. This is a let's

122
00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,960
Speaker 3: screw the voter's process. That's what we should describe this as.

123
00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,400
Speaker 3: And the final thing that they brought up was that

124
00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,600
Speaker 3: a lot of things get done through the bureaucracy that

125
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,560
Speaker 3: they that they have given unelected bureaucrats massive amounts of

126
00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,159
Speaker 3: power to impose taxes too. They call them fees, but

127
00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,960
Speaker 3: they're really taxes.

128
00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,440
Speaker 1: California Resources are.

129
00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:06,479
Speaker 3: Born exactly to ban gas powered cars, to to ban

130
00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 3: gas powered leaf blowers to ban gas appliances, and so

131
00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,080
Speaker 3: they talk about how you can say that you're against

132
00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,360
Speaker 3: something while the bureaucracy just basically makes it happen, and

133
00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,600
Speaker 3: and and so all of these briefings are done. At

134
00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,160
Speaker 3: one point they gave us a budget briefing, and so

135
00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,040
Speaker 3: the slide that was up there said that the state

136
00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,040
Speaker 3: budget is quote essentially balanced, And I said, well, what

137
00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,840
Speaker 3: does the word essentially mean is that like me essentially

138
00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,800
Speaker 3: paying my rent or essentially paying my college loan. You know,

139
00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 3: you either did or did not balance the budget. And

140
00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,400
Speaker 3: then they said that the reason why the budget's not

141
00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,360
Speaker 3: going to be balanced there were in a fiscal crisis

142
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,840
Speaker 3: is that the citizens aren't providing enough revenue that there's

143
00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:59,920
Speaker 3: a revenue shortfall. Oh, well, aren't and that's a lie. Yeah,

144
00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,840
Speaker 3: the lie about the revenue shortfall is number one, we

145
00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,480
Speaker 3: are actually paying more on revenue historically than ever before.

146
00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,440
Speaker 3: But secondly, the reason why it's not growing as fast

147
00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,040
Speaker 3: as they want is they've chased all the good revenue

148
00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,560
Speaker 3: contributors out of the state. It's called people moving out

149
00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,120
Speaker 3: of the state, particularly the job base. And finally, the

150
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,160
Speaker 3: real problem is they're spending their excessive, wasteful spending, but

151
00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,640
Speaker 3: none of that was on the slide. So I took

152
00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,520
Speaker 3: a picture of the slide and I tweeted it out.

153
00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 3: Someone ran into the room staff member and tried to

154
00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,160
Speaker 3: chastise me, saying, you're not allowed to share closed meeting

155
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,480
Speaker 3: information or you won't be invited in the future. And

156
00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,960
Speaker 3: I said, well, guess what you see this pin I

157
00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,160
Speaker 3: am a member. I'm going to come to your briefing,

158
00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not, because I have a

159
00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,880
Speaker 3: right to because I'm now elected to this body. But

160
00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,760
Speaker 3: they don't look kindly on people talking about what happens

161
00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:58,600
Speaker 3: behind closed doors.

162
00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,000
Speaker 1: That's yeah.

163
00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,320
Speaker 2: Have you gotten a response yet to the article that

164
00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,320
Speaker 2: you wrote in the newspapers?

165
00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,199
Speaker 3: Oh, they're furious. I mean, the media has been contacting

166
00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:12,199
Speaker 3: me about it because it was posted yesterday yesterday morning,

167
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,600
Speaker 3: and we've already had a number of people in the

168
00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,320
Speaker 3: media asking about it. But my colleagues, yeah, not very happy.

169
00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,200
Speaker 3: And I don't care. My job is not to make

170
00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,679
Speaker 3: them happy. My job is to go up there and

171
00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,360
Speaker 3: open up the curtains and let the sunlight just come

172
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,440
Speaker 3: rolling in because the public deserves to know. And for

173
00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 3: Democrats out there and Republicans. I don't care what your

174
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,320
Speaker 3: party label is. You should be pissed about this. This

175
00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,320
Speaker 3: is corruption. This is why we don't get good things.

176
00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,160
Speaker 3: This is why the system fails us.

177
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Bill A. Saley on yesterday. He was

178
00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,679
Speaker 1: here in the studio.

179
00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,160
Speaker 3: And he's one of the good ones, the Republicans from.

180
00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,280
Speaker 2: The Inland Empire. And I think he used the same

181
00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,120
Speaker 2: phrase you did, untethered from reality are something.

182
00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,440
Speaker 3: So no, he's one of the good ones. He's one

183
00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,560
Speaker 3: of the good ones. We need more like him up there.

184
00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,920
Speaker 3: But you know, hopefully as more people wake up and

185
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,480
Speaker 3: realize that this is a broken system, they may demand change.

186
00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:07,280
Speaker 1: Wow, this is bad.

187
00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,319
Speaker 2: So this is in the Southern California Newsgroup papers, right, yeah.

188
00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,120
Speaker 3: So it'll be in all sixteen of their papers.

189
00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,040
Speaker 4: You know.

190
00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,840
Speaker 3: I've done a podcast on it, and I know some

191
00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,160
Speaker 3: other media outlets are picking it up. But the more

192
00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,760
Speaker 3: people realize the corruption and broken nature of this system,

193
00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:29,120
Speaker 3: the better. Because these politicians benefit from these tricks. And

194
00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,080
Speaker 3: when a politician said, oh, yeah, well I didn't vote

195
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640
Speaker 3: against that bill, I'm so sorry it died, you need

196
00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,920
Speaker 3: to turn them and say, well did you show up

197
00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,079
Speaker 3: to the damn hearing you know, had you gone and

198
00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,560
Speaker 3: gone to the floor and demanded a consideration the bill

199
00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,080
Speaker 3: on the floor, because there's a lot of ways that

200
00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,360
Speaker 3: they can get these bills voted on, but they just

201
00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,000
Speaker 3: choose not to.

202
00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400
Speaker 2: Carl, thank you for coming on, and please come on

203
00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,960
Speaker 2: any time you want as you learn what goes on

204
00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,719
Speaker 2: in Sacramento.

205
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,960
Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Merry Christmas, all right.

206
00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 2: Mary Christmas, Carl DeMaio, the Republican Assembly, and from San Diego.

207
00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,240
Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

208
00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:07,120
Speaker 5: six forty.

209
00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 2: The drone story died down for a couple of days.

210
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know if the number

211
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,640
Speaker 2: of drones dropped off. Maybe whoever sent them up into

212
00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,760
Speaker 2: the sky realized there was a lot of blowbacks. Maybe

213
00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,079
Speaker 2: the Chinese started thinking that, oh, the Americans have finally

214
00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:27,640
Speaker 2: woken up.

215
00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,080
Speaker 6: Maybe they're you know, they're traveling, it's the holiday season.

216
00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,160
Speaker 2: The drona maybe the drones right what you know, it'd

217
00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,720
Speaker 2: be it'd be a great Christmas movie. I thought, Yeah,

218
00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,680
Speaker 2: Santa sends all these drones in order to map his

219
00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,640
Speaker 2: route on Christmas Eve.

220
00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,800
Speaker 6: But is he going to start dropping gifts?

221
00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,320
Speaker 2: Well, he needed money, but he inadvertently, inadvertently starts this

222
00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,400
Speaker 2: huge panic and it whips up the whole country and

223
00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,200
Speaker 2: people start running out, and they got their their ar

224
00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,960
Speaker 2: fifteen rifles and they're ready to shoot down the drones.

225
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,160
Speaker 2: And Assenta doesn't know what to do because he didn't

226
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,680
Speaker 2: mean to create a panic and get everybody angry.

227
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,120
Speaker 6: Okay, then send money.

228
00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,880
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't worked out the rest of the movie yet.

229
00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:19,000
Speaker 2: Is there a Rudolph drone? There could be a Rudolph drone? Yeah,

230
00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:24,319
Speaker 2: I think there's something there all right. Anyway, Alex Stone

231
00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,480
Speaker 2: is coming on in a few minutes because there were

232
00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 2: two developments in the drone story. One of them is

233
00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,400
Speaker 2: the FAA has banned drone activity in some areas of

234
00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,199
Speaker 2: New Jersey and they warned that they'll use deadly force

235
00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,040
Speaker 2: against the drones if they think there's a risk.

236
00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,480
Speaker 1: How come to that?

237
00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,120
Speaker 2: Why did they suddenly announce this? For four weeks they

238
00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,160
Speaker 2: ignored the thing and told us we were all crazy.

239
00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,959
Speaker 2: Now they're ready to shoot something down, all right. That's

240
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,920
Speaker 2: with Alex Stone in a few minutes. I cannot believe this.

241
00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,840
Speaker 2: This came out late in the show yesterday. Karen Bess,

242
00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:06,480
Speaker 2: Deputy Mayor Brian Williams had an FBI raid at his house.

243
00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,800
Speaker 2: They think he called in a bomb threat against city Hall.

244
00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:17,439
Speaker 2: Have you seen this guy? Bow tie guy? As deputy mayor,

245
00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:23,800
Speaker 2: guess what? He was in charge of public safety. He

246
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,040
Speaker 2: was working on police hiring, public safety spending, and the

247
00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,640
Speaker 2: search for a new police chief. He's been in government

248
00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 2: for decades. He was a deputy mayor when James Han

249
00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:36,480
Speaker 2: was running things.

250
00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,280
Speaker 1: Remember him.

251
00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,000
Speaker 2: That's twenty years ago. He was an assistant city attorney.

252
00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,520
Speaker 2: He was executive director of the Sheriff's Civilian Oversight Commission.

253
00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,160
Speaker 2: And right now, not only the police department he was overseeing,

254
00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,920
Speaker 2: he was overseeing the fire department, the Port Police, and

255
00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,760
Speaker 2: the airport police.

256
00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,800
Speaker 1: And they think he called in a bomb threat. The

257
00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,600
Speaker 1: hell is going on?

258
00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:08,040
Speaker 2: And uh, Karen Bass put him on administrative leave. Does

259
00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,160
Speaker 2: that mean he still gets paid?

260
00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:09,720
Speaker 1: Yes?

261
00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,240
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a good way to get some some time off.

262
00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,640
Speaker 2: You may want to consider that.

263
00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

264
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna call in a bomb throat.

265
00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,720
Speaker 1: And then a bomb. You have to know how to pronounce.

266
00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 6: It right, and then I'll get paid.

267
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,520
Speaker 1: They'll put you on administration. I think he gets paid.

268
00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,240
Speaker 1: I I'm not one hundred percent usually.

269
00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,240
Speaker 2: You do when you're on doesn't say he's suspended or anything.

270
00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,320
Speaker 2: He's probably got some kind of protections. There's no other

271
00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 2: details about the about the investigation.

272
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,000
Speaker 1: He denies it, of course he does. Well, that's the

273
00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,480
Speaker 1: that's one of the details, right.

274
00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 2: If he admitted it, then he loses the pay while

275
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:51,920
Speaker 2: he's on it, and he needs to be on administrative

276
00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,520
Speaker 2: lead to pay his legal bills.

277
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:54,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

278
00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,120
Speaker 2: The detectives from l a p D's Major Crime Divisions

279
00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,320
Speaker 2: conducted surveillance that led them to Williams, but because he

280
00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,600
Speaker 2: has over an oversight role on the lapd UH, they

281
00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080
Speaker 2: transferred it to the FBI because it was a conflict

282
00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,920
Speaker 2: of interest. Williams was described by several people in city

283
00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,040
Speaker 2: government as a soft spoken presence, someone who has never

284
00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,000
Speaker 2: shown anger or impulsive behavior. Those are the guys I

285
00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,040
Speaker 2: don't trust. I tell you, there are two classes of

286
00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,680
Speaker 2: people I don't trust. People who are always calm or

287
00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,000
Speaker 2: people who are always happy in perky.

288
00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,800
Speaker 1: I know, there's darkness like you.

289
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,680
Speaker 6: You see me not be happy in perky.

290
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,680
Speaker 1: I know, but the other day I know.

291
00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,480
Speaker 2: But first, at first I just saw you as happy

292
00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,320
Speaker 2: in Perky all the time, and I thought, oh, no,

293
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,200
Speaker 2: there's something going on.

294
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you got to really know me. That's right.

295
00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: It's like, whoa. I didn't think it was that.

296
00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,040
Speaker 2: Peggy Names lives next door in Pasadena, so they got

297
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,720
Speaker 2: an actual neighbor and she shocked. He's not capable of that.

298
00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. They must have the wrong Brian Williams. I'm positive. Yeah,

299
00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's the news anchor. Maybe it's that Brian Williams

300
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,360
Speaker 2: is calling in bomb threats. They're a wonderful family. They

301
00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,320
Speaker 2: go to church every Sunday. They're upstanding pillars.

302
00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:10,640
Speaker 1: Of the community.

303
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh man, whenever a neighbor uses that word that, I

304
00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,880
Speaker 2: know somebody's up to no good and we've enjoyed having

305
00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,760
Speaker 2: them as neighbors for over twenty years. Well, yeah, he

306
00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,200
Speaker 2: didn't call any bomb threats into your house. I want

307
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,000
Speaker 2: to see where that story goes. There has got to

308
00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,600
Speaker 2: be a juicy one there, all right. When we return

309
00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,920
Speaker 2: right after Deborah's news, Happy Perky Deborah alex Stone from

310
00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,880
Speaker 2: ABC about why is now the FAA threatened to shoot

311
00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,200
Speaker 2: drones down in New Jersey?

312
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:39,840
Speaker 1: Talk about that.

313
00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,120
Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A

314
00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,280
Speaker 5: six forty.

315
00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,600
Speaker 2: Right, before the news I had told you that we

316
00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 2: were going to have Alex Stone on to talk about

317
00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,560
Speaker 2: why the FAA suddenly wants to shoot down the drones

318
00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,080
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, and he will come on in about

319
00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,640
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. First, we're talking to Brad Garrett from ABC

320
00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,600
Speaker 2: News to Crime and Terror terrorism analyst, because today was

321
00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,160
Speaker 2: the day that Luigi Mangeon was transferred to New York

322
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,440
Speaker 2: City to face the murder charges for shooting Brian Thompson,

323
00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,280
Speaker 2: the United Healthcare executive, and there's going to be federal

324
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,760
Speaker 2: charges against Mangeon as well. We're going to talk with

325
00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,320
Speaker 2: Brad Garrett now on how all this is going to work. Brad,

326
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:21,879
Speaker 2: how are you?

327
00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,280
Speaker 4: I'm good, John, Thanks.

328
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,800
Speaker 2: I I mean at first, you know, a few days ago,

329
00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,199
Speaker 2: we thought that mangeone was going to be refusing to

330
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,280
Speaker 2: be extraduided for thirty days, and now we find out

331
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,040
Speaker 2: there's federal charges coming against him and he's shown up

332
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,280
Speaker 2: in New York City. What do you think changed his

333
00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,960
Speaker 2: mind about waiving the extradition.

334
00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,000
Speaker 7: Well, there's some belief that his attorneys asked for discovery

335
00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,800
Speaker 7: documents in advance and maybe they got those. I don't

336
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,679
Speaker 7: know the true answer, but there had to be something

337
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,159
Speaker 7: to sweeten the pie to get him to waive extradition.

338
00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,000
Speaker 7: I mean, it would have happened anyway, but he would

339
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 7: have he'd still be in.

340
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,520
Speaker 4: Pennsylvania probably for the next X number.

341
00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,120
Speaker 7: Of weeks until they had a hearing, and then the.

342
00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,600
Speaker 4: Judge would order him removed.

343
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,320
Speaker 7: And what happened today would happen in probably in January

344
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,040
Speaker 7: or so. But you know, the point being, he is

345
00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,720
Speaker 7: back here the unknown today obviously is I guess even

346
00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,320
Speaker 7: his attorney is sitting in state court waiting for him

347
00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,000
Speaker 7: to arrive, and the next thing she apparently knows is

348
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,719
Speaker 7: he's in federal court. So I don't know what happened there.

349
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,440
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously the Feds charged him. They must have

350
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 7: worked out something at the last minute with NYPD and

351
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,600
Speaker 7: the state prosecutor in New York City, but that's where

352
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,080
Speaker 7: he was. So he's in federal custody and so be

353
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,960
Speaker 7: in a federal walk up in New York.

354
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,960
Speaker 2: Is he going to potentially face two trials for the

355
00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,200
Speaker 2: same crime at the federal and state LEFTL.

356
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see how that works out. I mean, I

357
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:04,879
Speaker 4: realized there's.

358
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 7: People yelling double jeopardy, but the Feds would not have

359
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,800
Speaker 7: charged it with that to at least legally to occur.

360
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 7: It may be the type you know, this gets into

361
00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,879
Speaker 7: the legal wordsmithing of you know what the federal charges.

362
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,560
Speaker 7: There's a couple of stalking charges.

363
00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 4: There's a murder charge.

364
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the murder charges obviously based on what happened,

365
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 7: but it's you know, it talks about that he traveled interstate,

366
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 7: which makes it a federal crime. You know, he had

367
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 7: a illegal firearm, et cetera, and he could now potentially

368
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 7: face the death penalty in the federal system, of which

369
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 7: New York I don't believe has So is that another

370
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 7: sort of approach by the prosecutors. Maybe we'll have to

371
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 7: see are.

372
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,600
Speaker 2: They going to work in concert with each other, the

373
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: federal and the state prosecute. It's going to be a

374
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 2: cooperative investigation.

375
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 7: I mean, they would have to because the evidence is

376
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 7: the same. And obviously a large chunk of this evidence

377
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 7: was collected by NYPD. So it's a little weird. I mean,

378
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 7: have we done cases where the state, like here in DC,

379
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 7: where the local court has prosecuted somebody and then we

380
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 7: move them up the street and prosecuted federally. Yes, but

381
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,560
Speaker 7: the charges will be different. Now, like I said before,

382
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 7: they're going to argue that the way the federal law

383
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,880
Speaker 7: is written, it's not that the jeopardy.

384
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 4: But we'll see. I'm not sure that there's a meriton in.

385
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 7: Prosecutor in price for this force a similar type of crime,

386
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 7: just because it doesn't sound like it's a good use

387
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 7: of time. Right, I mean, it's exactly the same evidence.

388
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: I remember, right, the guy who whacked Paul Pelosi with

389
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: a hammer in San Francis, let's go, he got charged

390
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: federally and yeah, and in the state as well, right.

391
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 7: Right, And again it was it's the type of charges

392
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 7: the Fed's brought. You know, you get into a situation

393
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 7: with the federal charge in that case because obviously Representative

394
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 7: Pelosi is covered by federal law because she's an elected official,

395
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 7: which was also because you know, he admitted that's why

396
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 7: he went to the house was to harm her because

397
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 7: she just wasn't there. So that's the federal hook with him.

398
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 7: The state obviously it's a you know, it's assault with

399
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 7: the deadly weapon, attend to kill. Whatever the charges are,

400
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 7: which is a different bent obviously in the Feds. But

401
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 7: to your point, we'll have to see how this storts

402
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 7: out federal versus state on a murder case.

403
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: They certainly have a lot of evidence against him, don't they.

404
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: I mean that they collected in Pennsylvania primarily.

405
00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, Pennsylvania. I think that's when they got a notebook.

406
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 7: He had those pages through or full pages hands written,

407
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 7: where you know, he talks about what he's done. And

408
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 7: then in this federal complaint John that just came out

409
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 7: a few hours ago, you know, he makes makes comments

410
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 7: like you know, only a month and a half to

411
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 7: go before the investor's conference, and they write, this is

412
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 7: a true windfall.

413
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 4: I mean you really have to look at the words.

414
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 7: He uses in in how he is so clear in

415
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 7: his mind that this has to be done. I mean

416
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 7: using terms like whacking the CEO again his words, and

417
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 7: it's all like it's it's much similar to like people

418
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 7: who have been radicalized that that are true believers, believers

419
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 7: in whatever they're true believing, you know, whether those prices

420
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 7: or archaia or whatever. But you know, obviously this he's

421
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 7: a true believer in that the healthier system is needed

422
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 7: to be taken omen and that you know, he even

423
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 7: glows a little bit about it. You know, he was

424
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 7: willing to pay the price to do that, so he

425
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 7: has I mean basically with his wife. I'll be shocked

426
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 7: if he doesn't end up with life without parole at

427
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 7: the very least.

428
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 4: But we'll see. It's it's you know, it is the

429
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: case that has such an abundance of evidence.

430
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 7: You've got you've got DNA and I think, and you've

431
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 7: got fingerprints. He left that stuff at the scene, you know,

432
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 7: the water bottle and I think a candy wrapper or

433
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 7: some sort of rapper. They got genetic material I think

434
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 7: off of both of those, or one of them at least.

435
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 7: And the weapon matches the one that was on his

436
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 7: person in Altoona, Pennsylvania is the weapon that killed Brian Thompson.

437
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: I keep hearing legal people raving about his defense attorney,

438
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: uh and I'm thinking she may be the greatest attorney ever.

439
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 2: But exactly what can the defense be Since we all

440
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 2: saw it on video, what happened, and all the evidence

441
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: you just discussed, what what are they going to say?

442
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 4: Well, it's a good point.

443
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 7: I mean, looking at it as an outsider and being

444
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 7: involved in a lot of murder cases, I would say,

445
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 7: generally speaking, you know, you have two avenues when the

446
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 7: evidence is this good and one is insanity, which I

447
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 7: don't think based somewhat little I know, that would work.

448
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 7: Or you go after the process, in other words, that

449
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 7: the evidence wasn't collected, processed, or stored correctly. Now, assuming

450
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 7: that was done correctly, that's not going to get you

451
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 7: anywhere either. My guess is she's also going to argue

452
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 7: in state and federal court to what you and I

453
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 7: were talking about a few minutes ago. Is this double

454
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 7: jeopardy And we'll see about that. So the point is

455
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 7: there's some there are legal things she can do that

456
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 7: will that will spread this out for a while.

457
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the polly I'm sorry, go ahead.

458
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the poll the other day that

459
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: of people under thirty thought it was accept the bull

460
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: that that the healthcare executive gets murdered. Right, Yeah, Could

461
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: you go for a long shot for jury nullification or

462
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: a hung jury if you get the right jury mix

463
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 2: of sympathetic people who think this is a message to

464
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: the healthcare industry that had to be sent.

465
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 7: Well, you certainly are going to have to be careful

466
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 7: about what questions are asked and how thoroughly you sort

467
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 7: of vet people to your point, that's exactly right, and

468
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 7: you'll have a judge that will jump in and make

469
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 7: comments about that. You know, people are you know, person

470
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 7: access is too biased to sit on a jury based

471
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 7: on what they just told us. That will potentially take

472
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 7: a while. I mean, there's an interesting thing, John, when

473
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 7: you look at why people are so attracted to this

474
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 7: kind of case. You know, three things according to the.

475
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 4: Experts to study this stuff is the following.

476
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 7: If you have an attractive defendant, you know, like this kid,

477
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 7: or like Scott Peterson or like Ted Bundy, there's there

478
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 7: that's part of the attraction. And then you add to it. Now,

479
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 7: the first two don't work for Bundy or Peterson, but

480
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 7: they work for Mangeone is that there's a cause.

481
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 4: In other words, he's.

482
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 7: Going after the healthcare industry like you just described, and

483
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 7: people are empathetic to that. And the third is violence.

484
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 7: That because he used violence, it's not necessarily that people

485
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 7: think that's right, but they think it's justified. They wouldn't

486
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 7: go do it, but they think it's justified. And they're

487
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 7: captivated by the that somebody is willing to do this,

488
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 7: willing to pull off his dynamic execution in the middle

489
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 7: of Manhattan during the morning rush hour.

490
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

491
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 3: And and that, you know, in and.

492
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 4: Of itself, keeps people sort of on the edge of

493
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 4: their seating.

494
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

495
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: I can understand they'd have a feeling like, oh, at

496
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: least somebody is doing something right, right, Yeah, but.

497
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 7: It's it's all a lot of it's romantic size obviously,

498
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 7: which is unfortunate.

499
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Brad, good to talk with you again.

500
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, You're welcome. Thank you, Brad Garrett, ABC News.

501
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: He's the crime and terrorism analyst on Luigi Mangion getting

502
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: federal charges. And finally, extrajudded to New York Now the

503
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: long awaited Alex Stone coming up in just minutes. The

504
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: FAA says they're going to shoot down drones if they

505
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: think any in New Jersey pose a security risk.

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: That's next.

507
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM

508
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: six forty.

509
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: Too much good stuff today. We're putting ten bounds here

510
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: in a five pound back. We got Alex Stone on

511
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: ABC News because the FAA suddenly is issuing orders to

512
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: shoot down deadly force if they see drones that are

513
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: up to no good in New Jersey.

514
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Alex. What's this about.

515
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is an FAA order that's now going

516
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: into place. It's a wide ban on all drone operations

517
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: if they don't have a special government approval to fly,

518
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: like police departments and fire departments, but just regular hobbyist

519
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: drones in a bunch of New Jersey counties and it's

520
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: going to go until January seventeenth. Drones are legal in

521
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: most areas from ground level up to four hundred feet,

522
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: and then illegal above four hundred feet. This is going

523
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: to make it illegal at all altitudes, so ground to

524
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: four hundred as well in those areas. And the thing

525
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: is john that they keep seeing these drones.

526
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: Now.

527
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: It was a little bit quieter last night and a

528
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: little bit quieter the night before, So some of this

529
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: is an indication that maybe they are mainly hobbyist drones

530
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: out there, and that now that these warnings are going out,

531
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: and now that they're saying that they will shoot them

532
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: down and you will be arrested, that it may show

533
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden they disappear, that this was

534
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: not Iran or not China or not aliens, that these

535
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: were people who were flying these for whatever reason. But

536
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: the rules are going to say that that they will

537
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: intercept you, detain you, interview you by law enforcement if

538
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: you're illegally flying one of these, that you can be

539
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: fined thousands of in civil penalties, and that they will

540
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: use deadly force against a drone if there is an

541
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: imminent security threat. I don't know what deadly force is.

542
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: Throne if there's nobody on board, but it's killed the throner,

543
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: they're going to kill the owner. Well, I mean they're

544
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 2: they're saying that they will shoot at that drone. I mean,

545
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: I guess it's deadly to the drone in that moment

546
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: that they will shoot it down. Well, drones have feelings,

547
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, they can hurt that they do, it'll be

548
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: nice to them. So what's it's across a number of

549
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: counties here, so nobody can fly any drones. Yeah, it's

550
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: a long list of counties around New Jersey where they're saying,

551
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: all right, in these counties where they've been spotting a

552
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: lot of these and where there are sensitive things like

553
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: you know, Bedminster golf course and airports and military installations,

554
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: that those are the areas where no drones are going

555
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: to be allowed anywhere around there. And if they see

556
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: something flying then they can go after another thing. And

557
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: we've talked about it over numerous days. A lot of

558
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: these are not drones, and they have been missed identified,

559
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: and what they're finding now is a lot of these

560
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: are United Airlines planes going into the big United hub

561
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: of Newark, New Jersey, where they're coming in and people

562
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: who don't typically pay attention to the sky, who now

563
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: are because of everything going on, look up and they go, oh,

564
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: look at those blinking lights up there, and they take

565
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: a video of it.

566
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: That's fine, he's been around forever. I grew up near

567
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: that airport.

568
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: That is true, but not a lot of people were

569
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: probably paying attention to social media to look toward the

570
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: sky and notice everything blinking in the sky. That now

571
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: you have a lot of folks who aren't typically doing that.

572
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: This is a sergeant on the Drone Detection team. He's

573
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: actually with Connecticut State Police. He says, they have found

574
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: a lot of these when they go and research them

575
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: after they get the report, are actually airplanes.

576
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: They drone at four hundred feet may look the same

577
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 5: as a seven eighty seven at thirty thousand feet.

578
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: So they may be higher and people are going, no,

579
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: that was a drone. It was only four hundred feet

580
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: up there, and they go, no, that's a United aircraft

581
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: coming in to Newark. So they've found a lot of that,

582
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: but it does seem that there is something else out there,

583
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: because they wouldn't have an announcement saying they're going to

584
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: shoot everything down. Well, and the reason why we do

585
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: know that there are some drones that have been out there,

586
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: at least the belief is that they have been out there.

587
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: This is now trying to get those if they are

588
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: hobbyists who are flying for whatever reason to scare people

589
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: or just because they're they're flying, or they think it's

590
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: funny to get them to land. Now, so we'll see

591
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: come tonight what the what it looks like. If there's

592
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: still six foot drones flying in the sky that people

593
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: claim they're seeing, if they're not airplanes, then we know.

594
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: There's something else. Could be war. We'll try out maybe

595
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: a war tomorrow. Apparently.

596
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: All right, very good, Alex, thank you, you got a

597
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: john all right, Alex Stone from Caffeine News and yes,

598
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: Cafie News, ABC News, all those organizations.

599
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 6: Huh and you forgot you forgot your sunglasses in here

600
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 6: by the way, and I had to bring them to you,

601
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 6: and we discussed if you had any Biden moments, I

602
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 6: was allowed to bring them up to public.

603
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: So you keep doing that, all right. We could do

604
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: the whole show on that. Just remember my drop I

605
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: have from yesterday. What I'll play it again, just you know,

606
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: if we're gonna go to war here now, this thing

607
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: can go both ways.

608
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: I can't find it. You had it erased.

609
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: We love Penis stories.

610
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: There you go, who said that somebody impersonating you?

611
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: AI could be coming up after Deborah and the news here,

612
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to a listener named Nicole. She

613
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: wrote to us about what she describes as a disgusting

614
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: RV encampment and ply of Vista. Apparently it got moved

615
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: from Culver Boulevard and there's drug use out in the open,

616
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: and they've been calling the city and LAPD and getting

617
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: the run around. So she's gonna try us. We're gonna

618
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: talk to Nicole and see what this is about. If

619
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: you can't get help from Karen Bass, we will help,

620
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: all right. We are the shadow government here in the

621
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: Los Angeles area.

622
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 6: Don't go knocking on the doors of the r V.

623
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 8: That's right, Yeah, that's right. You're already trained to Doday. Oh,

624
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 8: that could be a regular segment we'll send We'll do

625
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 8: a show out from one of these disgusting RV camps

626
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 8: and you can go door to door and see what's on.

627
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 6: I get a raise, that's I'll pay myself.

628
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: You will to see that. Sure.

629
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Dere Re mark lyed in THEKFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey,

630
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: you've been listening to the John Cobalt Show podcast. You

631
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: can always hear the show live on KFI Am six

632
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday,

633
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.