Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D
Speaker 1: audience for full exposure, listen with headphones. How can we
Speaker 1: translate reams of data, thousands of words complicated formulas into
Speaker 1: the yes no signals that the computer can understand? The
Speaker 1: answer is binary arithmetic, a system that uses only two
Speaker 1: digits one and zero. The binary number one oh one
Speaker 1: equals five in the decimal system. Any number can be
Speaker 1: written in the binary system. One hundred forty two thousand,
Speaker 1: eight hundred fifty seven looks like this in binary arithmetic.
Speaker 1: This system of arithmetic is at The Rundolshom Forest encounter
Speaker 1: has gone through a number of stages since its occurrence.
Speaker 1: At the very end of nineteen eight, the newspapers picked
Speaker 1: it up in making it public for the first time,
Speaker 1: and then thirty years later came new statements from the
Speaker 1: witnesses with new details and even entirely new aspects of
Speaker 1: the encounter, enhancing the original accounts, making them stranger and
Speaker 1: more incredible. I'm Toby Ball, and this is Strange Arrivals
Speaker 1: Episode four. Eyes of Your Eyes. I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 1: of the Roswell UFO crash. Briefly, a rancher named Mac
Speaker 1: Braswell discovered debris on his land near Roswell, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: He called the Air Force, who came out to the
Speaker 1: site and retrieved the strange collection of materials strewn across
Speaker 1: the scrub land. On July, the Roswell Daily Record ran
Speaker 1: a front page article with the headline r A a
Speaker 1: F captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. R
Speaker 1: a a F stands for Roswell Army Airfield. The Army
Speaker 1: quickly put out a correction identifying the wreckage as a
Speaker 1: downed weather balloon. What many people don't realize is that
Speaker 1: the Roswell Crash really disappeared from view for about thirty years.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really a part of UFO lore until the
Speaker 1: publication of the Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore.
Speaker 1: This began the Roswell Crashes second life, and it eventually
Speaker 1: became the most well known UFO incident of all. But
Speaker 1: for right now, what's interesting is the process the story
Speaker 1: under when from the initial claim to the refutation of
Speaker 1: that claim, to hibernation to re emergence. The Roswilliams syndrome
Speaker 1: is my name for a phenomenon that I first recognized
Speaker 1: regarding the famous Roswell incident, but I realized that what
Speaker 1: had happened with the Roswell incident had also happened at
Speaker 1: a number of other UFO cases. I'm Joe Nickel. I'm
Speaker 1: probably the world's only full time science based professional paranormal investigator.
Speaker 1: If there's another Win somewhere in the world, I think
Speaker 1: I would know about him. What I found was that
Speaker 1: there's a kind of process in which these things occur.
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't explain all UFO incidents, of course,
Speaker 1: but it's a a pattern that you can group certain
Speaker 1: cases into the Roswellian syndrome. The syndrome is composed of
Speaker 1: five elements. First, the UFO incident must occur, and then,
Speaker 1: quite often, as at Roswell, that gets debunked very promptly.
Speaker 1: Somebody brings forth evidence or something happens that that case
Speaker 1: is pretty much put down, seemingly explained, whatever, And that
Speaker 1: stage two, as a consequence of the debunking, Stage three,
Speaker 1: that story goes underground. It doesn't go away, I found,
Speaker 1: it goes underground. And then step four is that once
Speaker 1: it's underground, it's subject to a variety of myth making processes,
Speaker 1: for example, simple rumors and gossip, and various other things
Speaker 1: like people's tendency to exaggerate. This can also include people's
Speaker 1: memories changing over time, combining stories, filling in missing pieces, confabulating,
Speaker 1: and of course deliberate hoaxing. The paranormal attracts hoaxers quite
Speaker 1: a bit, I've found. And then the final step number
Speaker 1: five is that this story then emerges, like a virulent
Speaker 1: form of a virus. It comes back and now it's
Speaker 1: armed in ways that the original incident, which was maybe
Speaker 1: pretty easily debunked or at least dismissed, it's now sort
Speaker 1: of vaccinated against that kind of dismissal. In Season one
Speaker 1: of Strange Arrivals, we saw how memory inevitably changes over
Speaker 1: the course of years due to a number of factors,
Speaker 1: and this can lead to stories changing as well. Every
Speaker 1: time you're telling that story, as you're saying, if you've
Speaker 1: told it a hundred times, the hundredth time you're telling it,
Speaker 1: you're remembering the ninety nine time you told it. In
Speaker 1: the time you're remembering the time you told it. This
Speaker 1: is Dr Mark Ken, Principal lecturer at University of New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: among others. He's taught a course on paranormal and other
Speaker 1: extraordinary beliefs. We have a several biases in there. We
Speaker 1: have a bias that makes us more the focus of
Speaker 1: the story, so the things that happened to us are
Speaker 1: more prominent. We have a bias that puts the memories
Speaker 1: in line with what we believe about ourselves now. So
Speaker 1: even if we have changed tremendously since that time, that
Speaker 1: story is going to fit who we are now. There's
Speaker 1: a number of other ones that stories tend to, as
Speaker 1: you say, streamline and fit a storyline better than the
Speaker 1: fragmented way that we might remember it initially. But people
Speaker 1: remember things that they can't possibly have remembered. They remember
Speaker 1: things that in fact did not happen. On June, thirty
Speaker 1: years after his encounter, Chuck Halt wrote and signed an
Speaker 1: affidavit committing to paper his current at the time memory
Speaker 1: of his encounter in Reynold shimp Forrest on Night three.
Speaker 1: It's not surprising that there are a number of inconsistencies
Speaker 1: between this affidavit and the memo that he wrote in
Speaker 1: the days immediately following the encounter. Some of them have
Speaker 1: to do with the number and locations of the objects
Speaker 1: that he saw in the sky. Some are more significant.
Speaker 1: In the affidavit, Halt rights, about the same time someone
Speaker 1: knows a similar object in the southern sky. It was round,
Speaker 1: and at one point it came towards us at a
Speaker 1: very high speed, stopped overhead, and sent down a pencil
Speaker 1: like beam, sort of like a laser beam, and that
Speaker 1: illuminated the ground about ten feet from us, and we
Speaker 1: just stood there in awe, wondering whether it was a
Speaker 1: signal or warning or what it was. It clicked off,
Speaker 1: as though someone threw a switch, and then the object
Speaker 1: receded back up into the sky. In episode two, we
Speaker 1: heard Halt, in an interview I conducted with him for
Speaker 1: this series, described this part of his encounter. And in fact,
Speaker 1: we hear about a beam of light in the Halt tape,
Speaker 1: and he mentions it briefly in the memo, stating that
Speaker 1: the object quote beamed down a stream of light from
Speaker 1: time to time, But there is nothing in either the
Speaker 1: recording or memo that hints that the beam of light
Speaker 1: came within ten ft of Halt and his party. This
Speaker 1: claim is new and sensational information that emerged thirty years
Speaker 1: after the fact. Affidavit continues this object then moved back
Speaker 1: toward Bentwaters and continued to send down beams of light
Speaker 1: at one point near the weapons storage area. We knew
Speaker 1: that because we could hear the chatter on the two
Speaker 1: way radio. Several airmen present later told me that they
Speaker 1: saw the beams. I don't remember any names at this point.
Speaker 1: This part of the heart recording references a light hovering
Speaker 1: over Woodbridge Base and sending down light beams degrees off
Speaker 1: their list, and similar lights and being done failure, but
Speaker 1: Mode doesn't mention this, And just as with the beam
Speaker 1: coming within ten ft of him, Halt seems to be
Speaker 1: taking a moment on the tape and making it more
Speaker 1: dramatic and compelling in retrospect. And it's hard to check
Speaker 1: this new detail because Chuck doesn't remember the names of
Speaker 1: the witnesses. But there is no contemporaneous corroboration of this happening.
Speaker 1: This fits the model of the new emerging story in
Speaker 1: Joe Nichols Roswellian syndrome. It's coming back in this virulent
Speaker 1: strain with all sorts of evidence, maybe real evidence, maybe
Speaker 1: alleged evidence, but a whole bunch of things. The new
Speaker 1: evidence includes claims that on the nights of December, unidentified
Speaker 1: objects were picked up on radar. In by all accounts,
Speaker 1: there was no confirmation that any strange objects have been
Speaker 1: detected on radar. Thirty years later, however, that detail had changed.
Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, a UFO researcher named Robert
Speaker 1: Hastings posted an excerpt from a book he had published
Speaker 1: in which he found two former military technicians from R.
Speaker 1: A F. Bentwaters and R. A F. Woodbridge, who claimed
Speaker 1: to have seen unexplainable objects on radar, as well as
Speaker 1: to have witnessed the craft with their own eyes. Their
Speaker 1: names were Ike Barker and Jim Carrey. This is from
Speaker 1: a story in the April edition of The Mirror in
Speaker 1: English newspaper. Mike Barker said, it wasn't like any radar
Speaker 1: target I've ever seen. It was traveling at an extremely
Speaker 1: high rate of speed. It passed over the control tower
Speaker 1: and then it stopped. I've never seen anything like the
Speaker 1: maneuverability that happened with this object. It was orange and color,
Speaker 1: and it popped into my mind that somebody was flying
Speaker 1: a basket all out here. There were lights around the center,
Speaker 1: but not like navigation lights. It was more like portholes,
Speaker 1: as if you were seeing the lights from the inside
Speaker 1: coming out. It hovered, momentarily, reversed its course, and went
Speaker 1: back out at a high rate of speed. Carry A
Speaker 1: tech sergeant with the communication squadron said the unknown target
Speaker 1: made a sharp right angled turn at high speed before
Speaker 1: it left the area. He said, it was just phenomenal
Speaker 1: to see it go that fast. I said, that can't
Speaker 1: be one of ours. No jet can make an immediate
Speaker 1: right hand turn. The radar experts did not report the
Speaker 1: sighting to their superiors over fears that it could ruin
Speaker 1: their careers. Halt has spoken with the two men, and
Speaker 1: the food air traffic controllers are on record. I've talked
Speaker 1: to them both on a great length and they say
Speaker 1: they saw the object go across the scope seconds in
Speaker 1: other words, thousands of miles in our twice. They saw
Speaker 1: it come back. They physically saw the glory and orange
Speaker 1: a readish object. They saw it go into the forest.
Speaker 1: What are we supposed to make of this? These two
Speaker 1: men had critical confirming information about the encounter, but waited
Speaker 1: decades before coming forward. Why. The mirror suggests that it
Speaker 1: was because they were concerned that revealing what they had
Speaker 1: seen would have ramifications for their careers. Maybe, but again,
Speaker 1: there was no evidence before this that radar had picked
Speaker 1: up anything unusual at the time. Retired Air Force pilot
Speaker 1: James mcgahey corroborates this. What should be very clear about
Speaker 1: during this entire time, there were no other visual sightings
Speaker 1: of anything, and there were no radar reports of anything
Speaker 1: on the air defense radar. I know because checked all
Speaker 1: the reports. So that's what basically happened on the first night.
Speaker 1: At the time was reported to the Ministry of Defense.
Speaker 1: It was just unexplained lights in the sky over Endels
Speaker 1: from Forest Sheffield Hallam University Associate Professor David Clark, and
Speaker 1: all the Ministry of Defense did was Simon Weed and
Speaker 1: copied Colonel halts memo is sent it to all the
Speaker 1: different radar stations in that area that were responsible for
Speaker 1: air defense. He said, did you see anything unusual on
Speaker 1: these days? They looked on their log books, No, nothing registered.
Speaker 1: That's it. Then filing with the rest they weren't authorized
Speaker 1: to do any further investigation other than that. Now, the
Speaker 1: problem is you can only make checks on radar if
Speaker 1: you've got very specific accurate information, date, time, location, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Remember an episode two where we saw that Hart had
Speaker 1: mixed up the hats of the encounters. He identified everything
Speaker 1: is happening a day later than it actually did. Here's
Speaker 1: where it becomes an issue with verifying the radar readings.
Speaker 1: When that member was copied to the radar stations and
Speaker 1: they did the checks on the radar, they were looking
Speaker 1: at the wrong times and the wrong days. Realizing this problem,
Speaker 1: David Clark did some investigation to find witnesses who could
Speaker 1: speak to the radar readings. On the night of December,
Speaker 1: the night that Halt was in the forest, I tracked
Speaker 1: the radar station operated down who was there, Who was
Speaker 1: actually the person who took the call from Colonel Hall
Speaker 1: in the forest, and he said it was absolutely insistent
Speaker 1: that there was something there. Could I look at the
Speaker 1: radar picture. I looked at the radar picture over and
Speaker 1: over again. There's nothing on the radar. We know it's
Speaker 1: an actorate memory because there's a contemporaneous memo in the
Speaker 1: file Ministry Defense file from that very person who I
Speaker 1: spoke to dated saying exactly the same thing. That's evidence
Speaker 1: that the stories accurate. This piece of evidence isn't affected
Speaker 1: by the incorrect dates. In the halt memo. The radar
Speaker 1: operator is reacting to halts calls on the third night
Speaker 1: of the encounter. This has to be the correct night.
Speaker 1: Two sensational new claims based entirely on eyewitness accounts given
Speaker 1: decades after the fact. Both claims contradicted by what was
Speaker 1: known back in. These new additions to the story, if
Speaker 1: you believe them, both make it more fantastic and undermine
Speaker 1: skeptical explanations for the encounters. But the most sensational claim
Speaker 1: was yet to come, and it involved a message from
Speaker 1: the future. Strange arrivals will return in a moment. In
Speaker 1: episode one, while discussing the first night of the encounter,
Speaker 1: I said that Sergeant Jim Peniston had a more extensive
Speaker 1: story of what happened in the forest clearing, and that
Speaker 1: we would come back to it now. Is that time. Remember,
Speaker 1: Peniston and Brows were approaching what they believed to be
Speaker 1: the source of the light. Another airman ed Caban SAG
Speaker 1: trailed at a distance. At first, they ducked behind a berm,
Speaker 1: but eventually Penniston decided to proceed before going over the
Speaker 1: mound and approaching the light, Penniston looked over at Burrows
Speaker 1: and found him motionless, just standing there looking and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're stunned. I don't know if you're scared.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if he just wasn't moving.
Speaker 1: But when I turned back around, um command Zac wasn't
Speaker 1: moving either. As I came up over the brim, the light,
Speaker 1: which was at one point very intense, I started to dissipate,
Speaker 1: and as it dissipated, I seeing a forming of a
Speaker 1: black triangular craft sitting just above the forest floor. The
Speaker 1: white light disappeared completely and all of their The only
Speaker 1: thing I could see was this black craft with light
Speaker 1: light coming on the bottom of it. I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: if it was hostile threat or not. They had not
Speaker 1: taken their weapons with them when they left the base,
Speaker 1: so Peniston was unarmed and his two companions were unmoving.
Speaker 1: He would have felt very much alone, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if I was going to survive this. As I
Speaker 1: got closer to the craft, I was looking underneath it
Speaker 1: to see what was holding it up. It was fixed
Speaker 1: to the around somehow, but there was no landing gear,
Speaker 1: and all I could see is beans of light. But
Speaker 1: the strange part about the beams of light is they
Speaker 1: actually made intentions into the ground, maybe an inch inch
Speaker 1: and a half. So I was trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how that is making this craft you know, stay stay
Speaker 1: sharing and so I tried to move it with my hands.
Speaker 1: And if you had an autobile out there in the
Speaker 1: woods and you tried to shove it a little bit,
Speaker 1: you get some movement, maybe you know, like a half
Speaker 1: inch chance or something like that. This didn't budge at all,
Speaker 1: just stayed fixed. Peniston says he had a notebook with
Speaker 1: him and then he started filling it with as much
Speaker 1: information as he could because he wasn't sure if he'd survive.
Speaker 1: He wanted to leave a record. I had no way
Speaker 1: of measuring it or anything like that, so I used
Speaker 1: what I had. I paste it off at nine ft.
Speaker 1: There was no sound around the craft. There was no
Speaker 1: sound in the forest. It was completely quiet. There was
Speaker 1: a i'll caol the dorsal fin type thing coming up
Speaker 1: out in the back of the craft or from center
Speaker 1: to the back, and that went up probably about making
Speaker 1: about seven and a a half feet total with the craft too.
Speaker 1: I'm six ft two, so that's what I guess to that.
Speaker 1: I started looking for obvious things that airplanes have to
Speaker 1: make him fly, things like you know, arians and flaps,
Speaker 1: crew compartment, things of that nature, and there was void
Speaker 1: of all those things. The craft a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: was completely smooth, like there was no rivets, there was
Speaker 1: no joints, there was nothing like that. Peniston made a
Speaker 1: complete circuit around the craft. He noticed that there was
Speaker 1: some type of writing on its exterior, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: what he would have expected. Yeah, writing, it appeared somehow.
Speaker 1: It looked like maybe Egyptian type glyphs or something like that.
Speaker 1: As I approached the glass, I went from you know,
Speaker 1: touching the side of the craft, which is completely smooth,
Speaker 1: and when I got to the glyphs on they seemed
Speaker 1: like they were etched in to the side of the craft.
Speaker 1: They felt like going from complete smoothness of glass too,
Speaker 1: like sandpaper. Peniston says there was a row of those
Speaker 1: hieroglyphics along the bottom of the craft. He estimated the
Speaker 1: row is three or four ft across, and the glyphs
Speaker 1: were maybe five inches high. There was a larger one
Speaker 1: above it, which was a circular one with a trinangle
Speaker 1: and had three other little circles in it, and so
Speaker 1: I recorded all that stuff in my notebook as I
Speaker 1: came in back around because I wanted to concentrate and
Speaker 1: those glyphs a little bit more. I get around to
Speaker 1: the the glyphs itself. He was drawn to the larger one,
Speaker 1: the circular one with the triangle and three other circles inside.
Speaker 1: When I touched the center one, I had this immense
Speaker 1: bright light light, and I can see anything else in
Speaker 1: the forest. All I can see this white light. And
Speaker 1: in the white light, I can see like ones and zeros. Okay,
Speaker 1: it made no sense at all. It was terrifying. I
Speaker 1: don't know how long I had my hand on that symbol.
Speaker 1: It wasn't long, maybe five ten seconds, and I started
Speaker 1: gaining my senses and all I did was just take
Speaker 1: my hand off. Immediately when I did that, the light
Speaker 1: was gone. I could see the craft again. Now you'd
Speaker 1: expect that after having a bright light shot in your
Speaker 1: face that it would take your eyes a few minutes
Speaker 1: to adjust back to be able to see in the
Speaker 1: dark forest, but this wasn't the case. Pennison says he
Speaker 1: could see perfectly well immediately after the light or what
Speaker 1: he perceived a light was turned off, so the technology
Speaker 1: wasn't light. There was something else, but it appeared to
Speaker 1: be light. He walked back around to the other side
Speaker 1: of the craft. I started seeing more activity. High shaped
Speaker 1: colored lighting that was in the fabric of the craft
Speaker 1: reappeared and started moving again. So I backed away from it.
Speaker 1: I thought I activated something. I thought I might even explode,
Speaker 1: So I got back on the ground. And then the
Speaker 1: white light again, this bright light started to encompass this
Speaker 1: craft where I couldn't see the craft and more honestly
Speaker 1: as this white light until they started moving back through
Speaker 1: the trees. Remember it was the trees that are only
Speaker 1: five or six ft apart, and I paced off the
Speaker 1: craft at least be a night feet wide, and so
Speaker 1: it was impossible to do that, but it was doing that,
Speaker 1: and it went maybe twenty then it rose to uh
Speaker 1: tree top level. I could see the bottom of the
Speaker 1: craft then and it made a slight right turn and
Speaker 1: it was long and the blink of an eye. According
Speaker 1: to Peniston, during this entire time, Burros and Caban Sag
Speaker 1: were frozen, unmoving. This is what Burrows remembers. When we
Speaker 1: got close to it. What I remember is it simply,
Speaker 1: it was bright, kind of dimmed down, then it got
Speaker 1: right again and left. So that's what I remember. I
Speaker 1: don't remember any of the things that Peniston said took place.
Speaker 1: Ed who was with us, also doesn't remember that. The
Speaker 1: bright light is consistent with Peniston's story, but it also
Speaker 1: shows how Peniston's account with the other two men not responding, is,
Speaker 1: as Joe Nichol might say, vaccinated against contradiction. The fact
Speaker 1: that they don't remember anything about it is baked into
Speaker 1: the story. After returning to the forest with Burrows to
Speaker 1: check the site in the daylight, Peniston eventually returned home.
Speaker 1: He says he tried to sleep but couldn't and eventually
Speaker 1: got up around midnight to make a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: I sit down at my dining room table, and I
Speaker 1: pulled my notebook back out because you know, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna go over by else and so I was
Speaker 1: looking through that, and I thought I was losing my mind.
Speaker 1: I really did, because of the trauma, because I could
Speaker 1: see nothing but these ones and Zeros. I close my
Speaker 1: eyes and mind's eye, I could see once and Zeros.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the notebook and says, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I can write those things down. Yeah, once
Speaker 1: in zero's, don't you know, subside a bit, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to the base hospital. I
Speaker 1: knew that was a career ender. He says he felt
Speaker 1: a compulsion to write down this sequence of ones and zeros.
Speaker 1: Flipped open to the back of the notebook where's you
Speaker 1: know where, That's the only paper I had. I started,
Speaker 1: you know, writing down, you know, there's the numbers that
Speaker 1: one serviles er one one one zero one. And when
Speaker 1: I did that, I felt better, And so I just
Speaker 1: continued to do that, and I wrote down on sixteen
Speaker 1: pages of him, and I got to the sixteenth page
Speaker 1: and they were gone. I couldn't see him no more.
Speaker 1: And I felt great. So I said, my god, I
Speaker 1: think I've dodged the bully here career wise. So I
Speaker 1: went back to bed, and I actually sucked all night
Speaker 1: until the following day. Peniston says that he didn't tell
Speaker 1: anyone about the numbers he had written down because it was,
Speaker 1: in his words, pure insanity. In fact, the numbers wouldn't
Speaker 1: resurface until an apparently chance occurrence during the filming of
Speaker 1: a TV episode. And then I'm doing a film shoot
Speaker 1: with Burrows, the other guy that was there, and Linda Molmahal,
Speaker 1: she was there. Linda molten Howe is a journalist with
Speaker 1: a longtime interest in UFOs and the paranormal. And it
Speaker 1: was for ancient aliens and we're out in Phoenix. This
Speaker 1: is like is any when people started making documentary films
Speaker 1: about this case that it really started to take off.
Speaker 1: This is researcher ian redpath and this is something so
Speaker 1: that you get with a lot of you if cases
Speaker 1: that once film crewstot interviewing witnesses, they started getting them
Speaker 1: to talk out the case, and whole new details introduced.
Speaker 1: I would say invented. I was gonna interducee and Burls
Speaker 1: asked about a time in there. So I'm looking through
Speaker 1: my notebook and I flipped it back too far and
Speaker 1: I have all these ones and sales written. Now I
Speaker 1: figured what the hell this is? Thirty years later, and
Speaker 1: only a couple of years after Halts affidavit with his
Speaker 1: new information, Burl says, what's that. I'm figured, well, I
Speaker 1: might as well telling what happened. And Lina how it looks,
Speaker 1: and she's that's binary cool. And when she said that,
Speaker 1: I says, you know what, I says, that's binary cood.
Speaker 1: She goes yeah. I said, I didn't knew what that was,
Speaker 1: and she said along, so when you So, now everybody's excited,
Speaker 1: and they said they want to go into analyze, and
Speaker 1: I saw, I have to think about Prometheus Entertainment, the
Speaker 1: production company for Ancient Aliens, sent the binary code to
Speaker 1: be deciphered. The phrases they got back were cryptic, bizarre,
Speaker 1: and obscure things such as eyes of your eyes, origin year,
Speaker 1: exploration of humanity six six six, and continuous for planetary advance.
Speaker 1: Apparently a transmission error ended this word early. And there
Speaker 1: was seven senses coordinates. I should really say six, because
Speaker 1: one of them was done twice. He's talking here about
Speaker 1: geographic coordinates designating six locations around the globe. One was
Speaker 1: off of southwest, off of Ireland, out the middle of
Speaker 1: the ocean, and the other was near Sedona, Arizona. The
Speaker 1: other one was on the Belize border, one down improve
Speaker 1: one in Greece, and one in probably the most important
Speaker 1: I think it was probably the one from Giza. It
Speaker 1: was near there, and then there's also one place in China.
Speaker 1: These locations that he mentioned are all important places that
Speaker 1: allegedly have some sort of power according to some New
Speaker 1: Age philosophy at this point in time. Gary Osbourne took
Speaker 1: those accordance and concentrate on those. Gary Osborne is a
Speaker 1: writer on New Age and esoteric subjects. I exchanged emails
Speaker 1: with him, but was on a able to set up
Speaker 1: an interview to discuss his work. Probably about five years ago.
Speaker 1: He found out that there was correlation by the angles
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and two different positions and different
Speaker 1: things around the world, and the what he determined that
Speaker 1: the raw binary message was not the real message. That
Speaker 1: the real mess is just is in the relationship of
Speaker 1: these UH sites around the world. So a code within
Speaker 1: the code, and that's where the research went from there.
Speaker 1: I think you get the idea. It becomes more complicated,
Speaker 1: more convoluted. The first code doesn't hold the answer. You
Speaker 1: have to decipher the first code and then interpret the
Speaker 1: riddle of that message in order to unearth the true meaning.
Speaker 1: It begs the question why wouldn't the intelligence behind this
Speaker 1: crap just beam him a straightforward message if it's so important,
Speaker 1: Why the codes within codes? I see the appeal in
Speaker 1: uncovering in quotes secret knowledge, but it doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: make much sense from a practical standpoint. I mean, they've
Speaker 1: gone to all this trouble the binary code. I think
Speaker 1: very few people taking the binary code seriously. Again, Ian
Speaker 1: Redpath that this has been investigated, not by me, quite
Speaker 1: a number of people have investigated it, and there I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that again this is a much later fiction.
Speaker 1: It's an invention. And then there's a question of whether
Speaker 1: Peniston actually made contact with a craft in the first place,
Speaker 1: an event with no eyewitnesses. Chuck Halt, for one, is skeptical.
Speaker 1: When he was in communication, which was difficult to do
Speaker 1: because it was breaking up, was the gate master Starr Chandler,
Speaker 1: who was a coup senior colp at the gate, said
Speaker 1: he heard the conversations that they were trying to get
Speaker 1: near it, but they couldn't get near it. Interesting, huh.
Speaker 1: When he comes back to the base, he tells Captain Barano,
Speaker 1: it was definitely a mechanical We tried to get close,
Speaker 1: they didn't get close. Suddenly he touched it. He has
Speaker 1: his code. No, I can't say he didn't get a
Speaker 1: coach somewhere, but I don't think you ever touched it again.
Speaker 1: David Clark, you've got all these different groups of people
Speaker 1: who have all got different versions of the same story,
Speaker 1: all contradictory, all fighting amongst themselves to be the one
Speaker 1: that is the true Randelshom story. So you've got Jim
Speaker 1: Penniston with his story, You've got John Burrows with his story.
Speaker 1: You've got Colonel Holt. Remember after thirty years Halt came
Speaker 1: out with a new version of his encounter. Only a
Speaker 1: couple of years later, Peniston tells his story. Worry about
Speaker 1: the binary code. They're all sort of trying to get
Speaker 1: one over on each other and trying to assert themselves
Speaker 1: as the true story, you know, the one that will
Speaker 1: be passed on into the future. In my interviews, Halt
Speaker 1: and Peniston spent time trying to discredit the other. When
Speaker 1: I talked to John Burrows, he did not engage in
Speaker 1: undermining the other two. Halt too, wasn't critical of Burrows.
Speaker 1: The Peniston was, I would say uncharitable, but I can
Speaker 1: understand it. It's a seminal moment in all of their lives,
Speaker 1: and each one of them wants to have some control
Speaker 1: over what is their own story, and in speaking with me,
Speaker 1: they are all able to get their story out again.
Speaker 1: But also seed some control, because I'm the one who
Speaker 1: ends up telling it and I end up making decisions
Speaker 1: that I'm sure they won't be satisfied with. The vault
Speaker 1: in line. If you look at them all, there's very
Speaker 1: little common ground other than the fact that the bunch
Speaker 1: of guys looking around in the forest and so some
Speaker 1: old lines. That's that's the that's anything that comes out
Speaker 1: of it. Remember, we have heard again and again how
Speaker 1: the military seemed unbothered about the encounters. It seems clear
Speaker 1: that they did not take them very seriously. And the
Speaker 1: Peniston and Hall disagree on a lot. They do agree
Speaker 1: that the Air Force engaged in a cover up in
Speaker 1: order to keep the encounter secret. So yeah, the cover
Speaker 1: up was real. And the other thing they wanted to
Speaker 1: cover up is a receiving binary code. That's probably why
Speaker 1: and everyone thought about the binary for thirty years is
Speaker 1: because of the efforts to keep it quiet. One and
Speaker 1: started seeing psychiatrists for about a month and finally she says, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, when you be open to a regression on this,
Speaker 1: This was an He did one session and when it
Speaker 1: was over, the doctor said that she thought that he
Speaker 1: needed another session. I said, why, I said, I feel great,
Speaker 1: and she just well, we're gonna have to talk about Woodbridge,
Speaker 1: and during that the second session and shows in there
Speaker 1: where I get actually solely and Pentehal Sodian. Pentehal is
Speaker 1: an anesthetic that is sometimes called truth serum because it
Speaker 1: was thought to cloud a person's thinking to the degree
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be able to formulate a lie. It
Speaker 1: shows how they put a block in to cover what
Speaker 1: exactly was going on around the craft with the buying eary.
Speaker 1: But it kept me talking and from talking about it.
Speaker 1: But I knew about the ones and zeros. I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was buying a code or nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I knew it was one of the zereals. Peniston claims
Speaker 1: that the therapist got rid of what he calls the
Speaker 1: block mechanism by which his interrogators were able to make
Speaker 1: him forget the binary code experience, and that is why
Speaker 1: the code only emerged thirty plus years after the encounter.
Speaker 1: Season one of Strange Arrivals took an extensive look at
Speaker 1: regression hypnosis, and it is clear that you can't rely
Speaker 1: on information produced using this technique. The fact that Peniston
Speaker 1: believed he was subject to interrogation and memory manipulation would
Speaker 1: be adequate to produce the quote unquote memory in a
Speaker 1: regression hypnosis session. That being said, Halt also believes that
Speaker 1: there has been a cover up. He wrote in his affidavit,
Speaker 1: I believe that the objects that I saw at close
Speaker 1: quarter were extraterrestrial in origin, and that the security services
Speaker 1: of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted,
Speaker 1: both then and now to subvert the significance of what
Speaker 1: occurred at Rindell, sham Foris and R. F. Bentwaters by
Speaker 1: the use of well pracked his methods of disinformation. Halt
Speaker 1: was more specific when I spoke with him ten years later,
Speaker 1: echoing the basics of Peniston's claims. They didn't tell me,
Speaker 1: and nobody told me, and I didn't find out tater
Speaker 1: tennor more years later they were Sonia memorial or Soniu
Speaker 1: penetal and hypnotized. And there's no doubt in my mind, neighbor,
Speaker 1: given what's called screen memories, in other words, of false memories.
Speaker 1: These claims have been strongly disputed. David Clark spoke with
Speaker 1: Colonel Conrad, would have Halt superiors in. Conrad was blunt
Speaker 1: in his criticism of Halt's contention. He said, quote Colonel
Speaker 1: Halt can believe as he wishes. I've already disputed to
Speaker 1: some degree what he reported. However, he should be ashamed
Speaker 1: and embarrassed by his allegation that his country and England
Speaker 1: both conspired to deceive their citizens over this issue. He
Speaker 1: knows better. Retired Air Force pilot James mcgahey echoes this criticism.
Speaker 1: This is all complete, utter nonsense. It never happened. There's
Speaker 1: no evidence that happened. It's totally inconsistent with everything and
Speaker 1: everything you would ever think of about it. It's embarrassing
Speaker 1: to the Air Force that these people are actually telling
Speaker 1: all these crazy stories. Here's the thing with Rundall Show.
Speaker 1: There is no settled upon story. There are the initial events,
Speaker 1: the skeptical explanation, and then these narratives that emerge later
Speaker 1: that expand on the initial encounters. And this is the
Speaker 1: dynamic that creates a modern legend. Again, David Clark, in
Speaker 1: order for the story to remain current and for people
Speaker 1: to keep telling it, you've got to keep adding something
Speaker 1: to it to make it more interesting. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a virus. It needs to find a host so it
Speaker 1: can pass it on to some other person. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the sort of things that we think of
Speaker 1: that as King Arthur are actually modern accretions that have
Speaker 1: been added to the story, and other bits of the
Speaker 1: story have fallen away because they were things that didn't
Speaker 1: quite fit the way people wanted the story to go.
Speaker 1: People try things to try and expand upon the original
Speaker 1: story because there's only so many times you can tell
Speaker 1: a story about a group of people going into a
Speaker 1: forest and seeing lights in the sky. You know, if
Speaker 1: that's just the story, it's not going to survive very
Speaker 1: long because it's not exciting enough. The novelty wears off.
Speaker 1: So you've got to make it more interesting by saying, well,
Speaker 1: the light didn't just stay in the sky, landed on
Speaker 1: the ground and left marks that police officers came and saw,
Speaker 1: and and that someone went up and actually touched it,
Speaker 1: and then they had these binary code downloads and that.
Speaker 1: Without that, the story just remains the same as all
Speaker 1: these zillions of other stories about people seeing lights in
Speaker 1: the sky, and the additions to the story continue to
Speaker 1: this day. Just in the past year, we've seen headlines
Speaker 1: such as from BBC News Online Rundell shim forrest Ufo.
Speaker 1: Are we any closer to the truth. Forty years on,
Speaker 1: from the British newspaper The Sun, X File Riddle s
Speaker 1: a S trooper claims UK's most famous UFO sighting was
Speaker 1: revenge prank after US soldiers called US aliens again. From
Speaker 1: the Sun, Britain's most famous UFO sighting was a top
Speaker 1: secret military experiment. From the British newspaper The Daily Star,
Speaker 1: Britain's Roswell, witnesses described glowing UFO like a scene from
Speaker 1: Star Trek. Forty years on, Burrows, Peniston, and Halt all
Speaker 1: have books out with their accounts and theories about the
Speaker 1: Reynald Shim encounters. Each in their own way is vying
Speaker 1: to establish the official narrative. This includes asserting what they
Speaker 1: believe was actually behind the encounter. For instance, Burrows believes
Speaker 1: that at least part of it was a down Soviet satellite.
Speaker 1: There's a good chance part of this incident involved US
Speaker 1: bringing down a Russian satellite, so there's a decent chance
Speaker 1: it was lifted out of the forest by a helicopter
Speaker 1: and it looked like a crate that there was, you know,
Speaker 1: hoisting up and carried over to the fly line. It
Speaker 1: could have been a recovered satellite. I don't know for sure,
Speaker 1: but they did bring something out of the forest. I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you exactly where it was, but there was
Speaker 1: a helicopter hovering over that area and then it lifted
Speaker 1: something up and it came out towards the fly line.
Speaker 1: But he says the satellite was just one component of
Speaker 1: what happened called weaponization of the u P and basically
Speaker 1: what most people don't know, there's tons of things that
Speaker 1: were being developed and worked on right outside the back
Speaker 1: in Bridge, there was all different types of facilities. Model
Speaker 1: from Heath which is a joint British American facility, and
Speaker 1: Marconi was working at the British side with the Americans.
Speaker 1: Also you have Bowsie and then you had some other
Speaker 1: facilities that were further away. But they were working on
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, and one of the things that's
Speaker 1: documented on is the SDI being worked on. Back then,
Speaker 1: they were working on drones, they were working on the
Speaker 1: laser technology, they were working all kinds of e MP
Speaker 1: technology and stuff. And also there is some kind of
Speaker 1: phenomenon's there. It's still there to this day because there's
Speaker 1: still stuff that goes on. But ultimately there's a phenomenon
Speaker 1: there and what we were working on at the time too,
Speaker 1: all ties in. Jim Peniston also doubts that they encountered
Speaker 1: extra terrestrials in the forest as far as actually terrestrial stuff,
Speaker 1: there's something like that happening. I never used to term
Speaker 1: UFO and I never said that or even suggested the
Speaker 1: craft was alien because I never had that impression from
Speaker 1: the start. Based on the phrases contained in the binary
Speaker 1: message and statements he made while undergoing hypnotic regression, he
Speaker 1: believes that the craft was from the future. It's humans
Speaker 1: from the year. The thing they're trying to cover up
Speaker 1: isn't about uphology and aliens all that they're trying to
Speaker 1: cover up. It's us. It's it's us doing you know,
Speaker 1: interdimensional travel. During his hypnotic regression, Penniston says he recalled
Speaker 1: his interrogation experience after the encounter. He remembers them asking
Speaker 1: him about that period in the clearing with the craft.
Speaker 1: They're asking what I'm seeing, and they're not, you know,
Speaker 1: extra restrial there, they're us. They're uster in the future.
Speaker 1: This explanation guides his understanding of what happened to him
Speaker 1: in that's what our belief is, and that's where our
Speaker 1: findings every day are reinforcing that. Finally, when I spoke
Speaker 1: with Chuck Halt, I asked if he had a theory
Speaker 1: about what he saw that night. No, I just know
Speaker 1: it's something that's either here in some form or shape
Speaker 1: or some type of presence. Many, many stories just disappear.
Speaker 1: You know, if you look back in the animals of upology,
Speaker 1: there are many stories like Rendelsham that people would not
Speaker 1: recognize if you told them, because they're not the ones
Speaker 1: that have become part of the myth as it is
Speaker 1: presented in the media. You may have heard of the
Speaker 1: Rendelship Forrest encounters before listening to this podcast, or you
Speaker 1: may not have, But there are UFO legends, whether they
Speaker 1: are true or not, that nearly everyone has heard about.
Speaker 1: One of these is a narrative that has formed around
Speaker 1: the way the US government and military has handled the
Speaker 1: UFO question. It starts in Next Time on Strange Arrivals.
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