WEBVTT - Eyes of Your Eyes 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.760 Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart three D 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:17.159 audience for full exposure, listen with headphones. How can we 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:23.320 translate reams of data, thousands of words complicated formulas into 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:27.600 the yes no signals that the computer can understand? The 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.160 answer is binary arithmetic, a system that uses only two 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:37.200 digits one and zero. The binary number one oh one 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:42.320 equals five in the decimal system. Any number can be 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:46.600 written in the binary system. One hundred forty two thousand, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.680 eight hundred fifty seven looks like this in binary arithmetic. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.320 This system of arithmetic is at The Rundolshom Forest encounter 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.560 has gone through a number of stages since its occurrence. 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.720 At the very end of nineteen eight, the newspapers picked 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:06.639 it up in making it public for the first time, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.440 and then thirty years later came new statements from the 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:16.520 witnesses with new details and even entirely new aspects of 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:22.000 the encounter, enhancing the original accounts, making them stranger and 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:29.360 more incredible. I'm Toby Ball, and this is Strange Arrivals 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:46.200 Episode four. Eyes of Your Eyes. I'm sure you've heard 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:53.280 of the Roswell UFO crash. Briefly, a rancher named Mac 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:58.000 Braswell discovered debris on his land near Roswell, New Mexico. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.240 He called the Air Force, who came out to the 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.400 site and retrieved the strange collection of materials strewn across 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.440 the scrub land. On July, the Roswell Daily Record ran 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.760 a front page article with the headline r A a 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:19.519 F captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. R 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:24.440 a a F stands for Roswell Army Airfield. The Army 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:27.800 quickly put out a correction identifying the wreckage as a 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.960 downed weather balloon. What many people don't realize is that 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:37.440 the Roswell Crash really disappeared from view for about thirty years. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.120 It wasn't really a part of UFO lore until the 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:47.880 publication of the Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.400 This began the Roswell Crashes second life, and it eventually 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:57.080 became the most well known UFO incident of all. But 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.880 for right now, what's interesting is the process the story 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.800 under when from the initial claim to the refutation of 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:12.040 that claim, to hibernation to re emergence. The Roswilliams syndrome 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.560 is my name for a phenomenon that I first recognized 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.760 regarding the famous Roswell incident, but I realized that what 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.799 had happened with the Roswell incident had also happened at 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:34.600 a number of other UFO cases. I'm Joe Nickel. I'm 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:41.480 probably the world's only full time science based professional paranormal investigator. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.600 If there's another Win somewhere in the world, I think 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:50.040 I would know about him. What I found was that 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.960 there's a kind of process in which these things occur. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.800 You know, it doesn't explain all UFO incidents, of course, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.920 but it's a a pattern that you can group certain 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:08.800 cases into the Roswellian syndrome. The syndrome is composed of 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:17.279 five elements. First, the UFO incident must occur, and then, 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:22.919 quite often, as at Roswell, that gets debunked very promptly. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:30.400 Somebody brings forth evidence or something happens that that case 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:38.160 is pretty much put down, seemingly explained, whatever, And that 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:44.279 stage two, as a consequence of the debunking, Stage three, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.960 that story goes underground. It doesn't go away, I found, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:56.320 it goes underground. And then step four is that once 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:01.719 it's underground, it's subject to a variety of myth making processes, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:10.080 for example, simple rumors and gossip, and various other things 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:16.400 like people's tendency to exaggerate. This can also include people's 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:23.480 memories changing over time, combining stories, filling in missing pieces, confabulating, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:31.240 and of course deliberate hoaxing. The paranormal attracts hoaxers quite 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:38.160 a bit, I've found. And then the final step number 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:46.279 five is that this story then emerges, like a virulent 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:52.320 form of a virus. It comes back and now it's 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:57.440 armed in ways that the original incident, which was maybe 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:04.160 pretty easily debunked or at least dismissed, it's now sort 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:11.040 of vaccinated against that kind of dismissal. In Season one 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:15.599 of Strange Arrivals, we saw how memory inevitably changes over 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.919 the course of years due to a number of factors, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.200 and this can lead to stories changing as well. Every 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.160 time you're telling that story, as you're saying, if you've 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.800 told it a hundred times, the hundredth time you're telling it, 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.159 you're remembering the ninety nine time you told it. In 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.200 the time you're remembering the time you told it. This 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:39.880 is Dr Mark Ken, Principal lecturer at University of New Hampshire, 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.280 among others. He's taught a course on paranormal and other 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:50.120 extraordinary beliefs. We have a several biases in there. We 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.240 have a bias that makes us more the focus of 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.280 the story, so the things that happened to us are 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.200 more prominent. We have a bias that puts the memories 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.680 in line with what we believe about ourselves now. So 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:06.320 even if we have changed tremendously since that time, that 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.680 story is going to fit who we are now. There's 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.760 a number of other ones that stories tend to, as 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.640 you say, streamline and fit a storyline better than the 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.600 fragmented way that we might remember it initially. But people 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.480 remember things that they can't possibly have remembered. They remember 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:31.160 things that in fact did not happen. On June, thirty 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.360 years after his encounter, Chuck Halt wrote and signed an 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.520 affidavit committing to paper his current at the time memory 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.960 of his encounter in Reynold shimp Forrest on Night three. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.800 It's not surprising that there are a number of inconsistencies 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.080 between this affidavit and the memo that he wrote in 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:55.560 the days immediately following the encounter. Some of them have 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.560 to do with the number and locations of the objects 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.200 that he saw in the sky. Some are more significant. 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:07.559 In the affidavit, Halt rights, about the same time someone 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.880 knows a similar object in the southern sky. It was round, 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:12.520 and at one point it came towards us at a 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:16.480 very high speed, stopped overhead, and sent down a pencil 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.200 like beam, sort of like a laser beam, and that 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.360 illuminated the ground about ten feet from us, and we 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:24.560 just stood there in awe, wondering whether it was a 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.000 signal or warning or what it was. It clicked off, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.520 as though someone threw a switch, and then the object 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:35.600 receded back up into the sky. In episode two, we 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.480 heard Halt, in an interview I conducted with him for 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:43.920 this series, described this part of his encounter. And in fact, 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:50.239 we hear about a beam of light in the Halt tape, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.800 and he mentions it briefly in the memo, stating that 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.800 the object quote beamed down a stream of light from 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.560 time to time, But there is nothing in either the 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.240 recording or memo that hints that the beam of light 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:13.319 came within ten ft of Halt and his party. This 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:18.000 claim is new and sensational information that emerged thirty years 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:24.240 after the fact. Affidavit continues this object then moved back 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.120 toward Bentwaters and continued to send down beams of light 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.559 at one point near the weapons storage area. We knew 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.680 that because we could hear the chatter on the two 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.880 way radio. Several airmen present later told me that they 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.080 saw the beams. I don't remember any names at this point. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.880 This part of the heart recording references a light hovering 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:53.520 over Woodbridge Base and sending down light beams degrees off 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:58.760 their list, and similar lights and being done failure, but 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:03.439 Mode doesn't mention this, And just as with the beam 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.360 coming within ten ft of him, Halt seems to be 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.040 taking a moment on the tape and making it more 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:13.440 dramatic and compelling in retrospect. And it's hard to check 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.800 this new detail because Chuck doesn't remember the names of 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:22.080 the witnesses. But there is no contemporaneous corroboration of this happening. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.280 This fits the model of the new emerging story in 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:32.040 Joe Nichols Roswellian syndrome. It's coming back in this virulent 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:38.559 strain with all sorts of evidence, maybe real evidence, maybe 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:43.840 alleged evidence, but a whole bunch of things. The new 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:50.040 evidence includes claims that on the nights of December, unidentified 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.240 objects were picked up on radar. In by all accounts, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.640 there was no confirmation that any strange objects have been 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:04.320 detected on radar. Thirty years later, however, that detail had changed. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.640 In two thousand and eight, a UFO researcher named Robert 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.360 Hastings posted an excerpt from a book he had published 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.959 in which he found two former military technicians from R. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.360 A F. Bentwaters and R. A F. Woodbridge, who claimed 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.120 to have seen unexplainable objects on radar, as well as 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.679 to have witnessed the craft with their own eyes. Their 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.920 names were Ike Barker and Jim Carrey. This is from 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:36.360 a story in the April edition of The Mirror in 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:41.120 English newspaper. Mike Barker said, it wasn't like any radar 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.360 target I've ever seen. It was traveling at an extremely 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.439 high rate of speed. It passed over the control tower 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.920 and then it stopped. I've never seen anything like the 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.360 maneuverability that happened with this object. It was orange and color, 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.240 and it popped into my mind that somebody was flying 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.520 a basket all out here. There were lights around the center, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.560 but not like navigation lights. It was more like portholes, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.880 as if you were seeing the lights from the inside 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.400 coming out. It hovered, momentarily, reversed its course, and went 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.760 back out at a high rate of speed. Carry A 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.800 tech sergeant with the communication squadron said the unknown target 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.920 made a sharp right angled turn at high speed before 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.400 it left the area. He said, it was just phenomenal 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.040 to see it go that fast. I said, that can't 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.840 be one of ours. No jet can make an immediate 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.640 right hand turn. The radar experts did not report the 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.560 sighting to their superiors over fears that it could ruin 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:48.040 their careers. Halt has spoken with the two men, and 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.800 the food air traffic controllers are on record. I've talked 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.440 to them both on a great length and they say 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.160 they saw the object go across the scope seconds in 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.600 other words, thousands of miles in our twice. They saw 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.720 it come back. They physically saw the glory and orange 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.720 a readish object. They saw it go into the forest. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.280 What are we supposed to make of this? These two 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:19.040 men had critical confirming information about the encounter, but waited 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:24.880 decades before coming forward. Why. The mirror suggests that it 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:28.040 was because they were concerned that revealing what they had 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:34.000 seen would have ramifications for their careers. Maybe, but again, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.560 there was no evidence before this that radar had picked 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:42.160 up anything unusual at the time. Retired Air Force pilot 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:47.720 James mcgahey corroborates this. What should be very clear about 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.719 during this entire time, there were no other visual sightings 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.440 of anything, and there were no radar reports of anything 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.640 on the air defense radar. I know because checked all 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:06.120 the reports. So that's what basically happened on the first night. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.240 At the time was reported to the Ministry of Defense. 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.200 It was just unexplained lights in the sky over Endels 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:21.560 from Forest Sheffield Hallam University Associate Professor David Clark, and 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.880 all the Ministry of Defense did was Simon Weed and 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.600 copied Colonel halts memo is sent it to all the 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.400 different radar stations in that area that were responsible for 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.320 air defense. He said, did you see anything unusual on 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.520 these days? They looked on their log books, No, nothing registered. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:42.040 That's it. Then filing with the rest they weren't authorized 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.120 to do any further investigation other than that. Now, the 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.800 problem is you can only make checks on radar if 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:54.480 you've got very specific accurate information, date, time, location, etcetera, etcetera. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.280 Remember an episode two where we saw that Hart had 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.160 mixed up the hats of the encounters. He identified everything 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.400 is happening a day later than it actually did. Here's 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.680 where it becomes an issue with verifying the radar readings. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.720 When that member was copied to the radar stations and 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.880 they did the checks on the radar, they were looking 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:21.880 at the wrong times and the wrong days. Realizing this problem, 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.840 David Clark did some investigation to find witnesses who could 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.360 speak to the radar readings. On the night of December, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.360 the night that Halt was in the forest, I tracked 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.040 the radar station operated down who was there, Who was 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.840 actually the person who took the call from Colonel Hall 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.720 in the forest, and he said it was absolutely insistent 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.520 that there was something there. Could I look at the 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.440 radar picture. I looked at the radar picture over and 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.360 over again. There's nothing on the radar. We know it's 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.920 an actorate memory because there's a contemporaneous memo in the 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.320 file Ministry Defense file from that very person who I 0:15:56.440 --> 0:16:02.200 spoke to dated saying exactly the same thing. That's evidence 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:08.240 that the stories accurate. This piece of evidence isn't affected 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.120 by the incorrect dates. In the halt memo. The radar 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.680 operator is reacting to halts calls on the third night 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.880 of the encounter. This has to be the correct night. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:26.600 Two sensational new claims based entirely on eyewitness accounts given 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:31.560 decades after the fact. Both claims contradicted by what was 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:36.720 known back in. These new additions to the story, if 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.960 you believe them, both make it more fantastic and undermine 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:46.280 skeptical explanations for the encounters. But the most sensational claim 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.000 was yet to come, and it involved a message from 0:16:50.000 --> 0:17:12.240 the future. Strange arrivals will return in a moment. In 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.680 episode one, while discussing the first night of the encounter, 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.080 I said that Sergeant Jim Peniston had a more extensive 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.960 story of what happened in the forest clearing, and that 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.919 we would come back to it now. Is that time. Remember, 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.040 Peniston and Brows were approaching what they believed to be 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.720 the source of the light. Another airman ed Caban SAG 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.399 trailed at a distance. At first, they ducked behind a berm, 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.639 but eventually Penniston decided to proceed before going over the 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.360 mound and approaching the light, Penniston looked over at Burrows 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:53.040 and found him motionless, just standing there looking and I 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.000 don't know if you're stunned. I don't know if you're scared. 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.200 I don't know. I don't know if he just wasn't moving. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.640 But when I turned back around, um command Zac wasn't 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.880 moving either. As I came up over the brim, the light, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:11.359 which was at one point very intense, I started to dissipate, 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.879 and as it dissipated, I seeing a forming of a 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:22.720 black triangular craft sitting just above the forest floor. The 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.920 white light disappeared completely and all of their The only 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.560 thing I could see was this black craft with light 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.600 light coming on the bottom of it. I wasn't sure 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.199 if it was hostile threat or not. They had not 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.639 taken their weapons with them when they left the base, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:45.240 so Peniston was unarmed and his two companions were unmoving. 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.680 He would have felt very much alone, so I wasn't 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.760 sure if I was going to survive this. As I 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.800 got closer to the craft, I was looking underneath it 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.639 to see what was holding it up. It was fixed 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.840 to the around somehow, but there was no landing gear, 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.639 and all I could see is beans of light. But 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.320 the strange part about the beams of light is they 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.160 actually made intentions into the ground, maybe an inch inch 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.800 and a half. So I was trying to figure out 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:21.520 how that is making this craft you know, stay stay 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.200 sharing and so I tried to move it with my hands. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.760 And if you had an autobile out there in the 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.840 woods and you tried to shove it a little bit, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.679 you get some movement, maybe you know, like a half 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.240 inch chance or something like that. This didn't budge at all, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.679 just stayed fixed. Peniston says he had a notebook with 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.200 him and then he started filling it with as much 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:47.880 information as he could because he wasn't sure if he'd survive. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.800 He wanted to leave a record. I had no way 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.640 of measuring it or anything like that, so I used 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.919 what I had. I paste it off at nine ft. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.320 There was no sound around the craft. There was no 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:07.760 sound in the forest. It was completely quiet. There was 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.000 a i'll caol the dorsal fin type thing coming up 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.080 out in the back of the craft or from center 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.240 to the back, and that went up probably about making 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.480 about seven and a a half feet total with the craft too. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.439 I'm six ft two, so that's what I guess to that. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.199 I started looking for obvious things that airplanes have to 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:35.000 make him fly, things like you know, arians and flaps, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.960 crew compartment, things of that nature, and there was void 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.680 of all those things. The craft a matter of fact, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.359 was completely smooth, like there was no rivets, there was 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:49.480 no joints, there was nothing like that. Peniston made a 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.199 complete circuit around the craft. He noticed that there was 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.600 some type of writing on its exterior, but it wasn't 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:03.560 what he would have expected. Yeah, writing, it appeared somehow. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:08.400 It looked like maybe Egyptian type glyphs or something like that. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.080 As I approached the glass, I went from you know, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.000 touching the side of the craft, which is completely smooth, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.800 and when I got to the glyphs on they seemed 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.480 like they were etched in to the side of the craft. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.000 They felt like going from complete smoothness of glass too, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:34.520 like sandpaper. Peniston says there was a row of those 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:38.760 hieroglyphics along the bottom of the craft. He estimated the 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.520 row is three or four ft across, and the glyphs 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.960 were maybe five inches high. There was a larger one 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.040 above it, which was a circular one with a trinangle 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:54.280 and had three other little circles in it, and so 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:59.040 I recorded all that stuff in my notebook as I 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.320 came in back around because I wanted to concentrate and 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.080 those glyphs a little bit more. I get around to 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:10.120 the the glyphs itself. He was drawn to the larger one, 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.560 the circular one with the triangle and three other circles inside. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:19.560 When I touched the center one, I had this immense 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:24.240 bright light light, and I can see anything else in 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.879 the forest. All I can see this white light. And 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.080 in the white light, I can see like ones and zeros. Okay, 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.480 it made no sense at all. It was terrifying. I 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.480 don't know how long I had my hand on that symbol. 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.720 It wasn't long, maybe five ten seconds, and I started 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.920 gaining my senses and all I did was just take 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:51.120 my hand off. Immediately when I did that, the light 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:55.840 was gone. I could see the craft again. Now you'd 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.520 expect that after having a bright light shot in your 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:01.159 face that it would take your eyes a few minutes 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.560 to adjust back to be able to see in the 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:08.760 dark forest, but this wasn't the case. Pennison says he 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.720 could see perfectly well immediately after the light or what 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:18.840 he perceived a light was turned off, so the technology 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.800 wasn't light. There was something else, but it appeared to 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:25.880 be light. He walked back around to the other side 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:31.240 of the craft. I started seeing more activity. High shaped 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:33.960 colored lighting that was in the fabric of the craft 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:39.040 reappeared and started moving again. So I backed away from it. 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.040 I thought I activated something. I thought I might even explode, 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.680 So I got back on the ground. And then the 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.280 white light again, this bright light started to encompass this 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.919 craft where I couldn't see the craft and more honestly 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:59.120 as this white light until they started moving back through 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.720 the trees. Remember it was the trees that are only 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:06.800 five or six ft apart, and I paced off the 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.040 craft at least be a night feet wide, and so 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.159 it was impossible to do that, but it was doing that, 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:17.679 and it went maybe twenty then it rose to uh 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.960 tree top level. I could see the bottom of the 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.199 craft then and it made a slight right turn and 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.520 it was long and the blink of an eye. According 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.720 to Peniston, during this entire time, Burros and Caban Sag 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:39.960 were frozen, unmoving. This is what Burrows remembers. When we 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:43.160 got close to it. What I remember is it simply, 0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:45.640 it was bright, kind of dimmed down, then it got 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.119 right again and left. So that's what I remember. I 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.280 don't remember any of the things that Peniston said took place. 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:57.119 Ed who was with us, also doesn't remember that. The 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.960 bright light is consistent with Peniston's story, but it also 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:05.800 shows how Peniston's account with the other two men not responding, is, 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:11.120 as Joe Nichol might say, vaccinated against contradiction. The fact 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.920 that they don't remember anything about it is baked into 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:18.359 the story. After returning to the forest with Burrows to 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.320 check the site in the daylight, Peniston eventually returned home. 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.560 He says he tried to sleep but couldn't and eventually 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.240 got up around midnight to make a cup of coffee. 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.720 I sit down at my dining room table, and I 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.359 pulled my notebook back out because you know, I was 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.600 just gonna go over by else and so I was 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.720 looking through that, and I thought I was losing my mind. 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.840 I really did, because of the trauma, because I could 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.440 see nothing but these ones and Zeros. I close my 0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.280 eyes and mind's eye, I could see once and Zeros. 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:54.800 So I'm looking at the notebook and says, you know, 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.960 I think I can write those things down. Yeah, once 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.920 in zero's, don't you know, subside a bit, I'm gonna 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.560 I'm gonna have to go to the base hospital. I 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:08.440 knew that was a career ender. He says he felt 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:12.080 a compulsion to write down this sequence of ones and zeros. 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:16.359 Flipped open to the back of the notebook where's you 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.520 know where, That's the only paper I had. I started, 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.879 you know, writing down, you know, there's the numbers that 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:27.720 one serviles er one one one zero one. And when 0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:33.119 I did that, I felt better, And so I just 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:37.240 continued to do that, and I wrote down on sixteen 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.600 pages of him, and I got to the sixteenth page 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:42.760 and they were gone. I couldn't see him no more. 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.760 And I felt great. So I said, my god, I 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:52.359 think I've dodged the bully here career wise. So I 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.840 went back to bed, and I actually sucked all night 0:26:56.359 --> 0:27:01.040 until the following day. Peniston says that he didn't tell 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:04.280 anyone about the numbers he had written down because it was, 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:10.280 in his words, pure insanity. In fact, the numbers wouldn't 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.720 resurface until an apparently chance occurrence during the filming of 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.800 a TV episode. And then I'm doing a film shoot 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:26.159 with Burrows, the other guy that was there, and Linda Molmahal, 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:31.239 she was there. Linda molten Howe is a journalist with 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:35.480 a longtime interest in UFOs and the paranormal. And it 0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.520 was for ancient aliens and we're out in Phoenix. This 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:46.200 is like is any when people started making documentary films 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:51.240 about this case that it really started to take off. 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:58.200 This is researcher ian redpath and this is something so 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.720 that you get with a lot of you if cases 0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:06.879 that once film crewstot interviewing witnesses, they started getting them 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:12.760 to talk out the case, and whole new details introduced. 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:19.840 I would say invented. I was gonna interducee and Burls 0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:23.160 asked about a time in there. So I'm looking through 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.199 my notebook and I flipped it back too far and 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.600 I have all these ones and sales written. Now I 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:34.600 figured what the hell this is? Thirty years later, and 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.840 only a couple of years after Halts affidavit with his 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:43.880 new information, Burl says, what's that. I'm figured, well, I 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:48.880 might as well telling what happened. And Lina how it looks, 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.080 and she's that's binary cool. And when she said that, 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.120 I says, you know what, I says, that's binary cood. 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.200 She goes yeah. I said, I didn't knew what that was, 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.840 and she said along, so when you So, now everybody's excited, 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.760