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Speaker 3: Welcome to the newest edition of The Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 3: John Schmoke with you today's guest. You might know him

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Speaker 3: as JJ after Dark. In his previous life, he is

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Speaker 3: John Destremsky. You'll find him a sn why the Ringer,

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Speaker 3: and a bunch of other stuff too.

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Speaker 2: JJ. What's up man?

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Speaker 4: You can see it, brother Jean. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 4: Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: I have a confession for you right out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: This is my first ever appearance at training camp, so

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Speaker 1: give me your impression.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty darn cool now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I don't know how much I can

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Speaker 1: gauge from what I'm seeing in seven on seven drills,

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Speaker 1: and I think the Giant coaching staff is gonna have

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Speaker 1: a much better feel for what.

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Speaker 4: They see as opposed to what I see.

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Speaker 1: But listen, I think there are a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: people for the Giants and the Jets respectively, fired up

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Speaker 1: about the start of this year.

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Speaker 4: I'm in the Giants. Last year see the expectations that.

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Speaker 1: Go and win a playoff game on the road, and like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to feel good about. And the coach

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Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. Daniel Jones got his contract, Sat Quanties.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 3: Now we're recording this on Thursday, so the Jets will

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Speaker 3: play their game later on tonight. We'll see what happens. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know spec Darren Rodgers, anyone like that to play.

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Speaker 3: But you did have one takeaway from practice that you

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Speaker 3: throw at me walking into the studio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I don't want to get nuts, but like

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Speaker 1: being on the field and watching these guys for the

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Speaker 4: Hyatt is fast, dude, He's somebody.

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Speaker 1: Somebody asked me a few minutes ago, the like JJ

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Speaker 1: your fresh eyes first day of training camp.

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Speaker 4: What did you see? I'm like, Jalen Hide is fast,

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Speaker 4: really really fast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he ran by two guys for deeposting.

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Speaker 1: If he can be the guy that can give them

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Speaker 1: that sort of vertical threat, I mean, you think about it.

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Speaker 1: They won nine games last year with a makeshift group.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got guys off the street playing wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and they ended up stepping up and having good

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Speaker 1: roles for this team. But if you could go and

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Speaker 1: add a speedster out of the SEC, go at a

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Speaker 1: guy like Waller, who when he is on the field

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Speaker 1: is one of the more dynamic tight ends in football.

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Speaker 4: John Offens might have a different to it this year.

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Speaker 3: John, Yeah, we were talking about it in terms of

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Speaker 3: the schedule being a lot tougher this year. So in

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Speaker 3: order for the Giants to keep pace with last season,

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Speaker 3: or perhaps they even do a little bit better, what,

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Speaker 3: in your mind, JJ, is the one thing they need

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Speaker 3: to be better at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's twofold number

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Speaker 4: That's where the.

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Speaker 1: NFL is at. I know that's really simplistic, but you're

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Speaker 1: not wrong. If you want to be a team that's

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Speaker 1: contending for the playoffs year in a year out, it's

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Speaker 1: tough to win games. Seventeen to thirteen, thirteen to ten.

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Speaker 1: The Giants were able to win a lot of close

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Speaker 1: games last year, and I credit their coaching staff for that.

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Speaker 1: I credit their resolve for that. But if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: more consistent offensive outputs. So I would say number one,

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Speaker 1: it's scoring points consistently number two forcing turnovers, which is

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Speaker 4: And I know a lot of that is luck.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I know sometimes the analytics say that's

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Speaker 1: But if you could be a defense that is opportunistic

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Speaker 2: Turnovers dictate wins and losses more than anything else. We

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Speaker 3: You talk about Daniel Jones, right, ran the ball really

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Speaker 3: well last year. Is a huge part of his success.

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Speaker 3: Why to see the passing game become a little bit

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Speaker 3: more explosive. That's how you score points to your point,

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Speaker 3: right and be more consistent. How much do you think

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Speaker 3: the new set of wide receivers will help. Is it

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Speaker 3: more protection for you? What does Jones need to do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question.

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Speaker 1: I do think these talented skill position guys that they

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Speaker 1: Remember this guy going into last year, what was a

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Speaker 1: the ins and outs, and he really did a great

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Speaker 1: I think the guys they have brought in, whether it's Waller,

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Speaker 1: he could throw a really good deep ball. So that

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Speaker 1: to me is something I want to see and just

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Speaker 1: continue to take care of the football. I know that

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Speaker 1: to play turnover free football, but hit those big plays.

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Speaker 3: And we know the running back value conversation of this

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Speaker 3: debate we've all been talking about on all of our shows, right,

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Speaker 3: but how important is that f Saquon back in this

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Speaker 1: Well and the idea too that he's here now that

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Speaker 4: Where it's like Taekwon is going to be here. If

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Speaker 1: We all knew that Seguon Barker was going to play

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Speaker 4: A football guy, he loves this. This is what he

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Speaker 1: Of course, running back debate, we've been there, done that,

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Speaker 1: But having him here knowing he's ready to go, knowing

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Speaker 1: he has something to prove once again, Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: the Giants look like a different team when he's doing

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Speaker 3: What I think has Giant fans really excited is that

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Speaker 3: you see room for improvement, not only because of the

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Speaker 3: new additions like you talked about, You want to see

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Speaker 3: progress from the young guys they drafted the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years. Right, Evan Neil last year's first round pick.

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Speaker 3: Caveon Thibodau, last year's first round pick, as he's o Jaalari.

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Speaker 3: He had a really good rookie year, hurt most of

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Speaker 3: last year. You mentioned the rookies. David mckinne's gonna hit

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Speaker 4: Oh, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And you know this about the Giants when they have

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Speaker 1: been at their best as a franchise, that pass rush

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Speaker 1: intrigued with a guy like Thibodeau because he loves New York.

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Speaker 4: He's got like this Peops Sona.

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Speaker 1: He loves everything about the idea of getting the attention,

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Speaker 1: the limelight, showing up in big games, which to me

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Speaker 4: Wast and every every game is a big.

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Speaker 1: Game in the NFL when you're playing under the screwty

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Speaker 1: of those prime time lights and he's putting on a

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Speaker 1: show like he did against Washington last year Baltimore too right,

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Speaker 1: excellent point and that was big game against the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: I think he can take his game to another level.

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Speaker 1: And Ojulari you bring up great point. Missed a whole

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Speaker 3: I'm so close to it, I can't get a feel

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Speaker 3: Wings defense, his approach and how it kind of matches

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Speaker 4: It's aggressive. That's what I like.

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Speaker 1: Man. The idea that he's like, all right, these are

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Speaker 1: my guys, I'm running my system. You're gonna buy in

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Speaker 1: if you go and put that giant uniform on and

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Speaker 1: they had an identity that to me is very important

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Speaker 2: All right, now, let's go around on leading a little

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Speaker 2: bit real quick, NFC East.

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Speaker 4: Here's the problem, monsters.

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Speaker 2: It ain't gonna be easy.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, people just like to dismiss the Commanders,

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Speaker 3: and I get it because of the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Their roster is not bad either.

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Speaker 4: It's not. And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The Giants are in a position where I think their

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Speaker 1: team is definitely more talented than where they were a

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Speaker 1: get themselves to the postseason? Well, it means they gotta

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Speaker 1: be a lot better. That's just the standard that you

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Speaker 1: have in this division. You're one four and one of

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Speaker 1: to beat the Cowboys the Eagles. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you got to go and sweep those teams. Well, if

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Speaker 1: to do. But you can't go on in four against

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Speaker 1: those teams because then you look at the remainder of

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Speaker 1: the Giants schedule. That's a big difference this year to

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Speaker 1: last year. And look, analyzing schedules is very dangerous because

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Speaker 4: Denver stunk. They were one of the worst teams in

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Speaker 3: And I remember like ten years ago where we were

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Speaker 4: It can happen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right.

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Speaker 4: Now it's like, oh now what.

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Speaker 3: the murderer's role of quarterbacks in that conference. Go from

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Speaker 2: And I think I'm even forgetting someone my guy, Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I think most of the betters are going to put

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Speaker 1: And now Buffalo goes from last year where everybody dude

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Speaker 4: I think Cleveland is going to be better this year.

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Speaker 2: In that division they might win thirteen games in the

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Speaker 1: Unless you tell me that you buy in Tennessee that

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Speaker 1: So gut Field right now, give you two teams I'd

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Speaker 1: Okay, the Cleveland Browns are going to win the AFCO.

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Speaker 1: I never sleep on that, man, I mean you adult.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think they're a none in eight playoff team.

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Speaker 2: They'd be much tougher road in the NFC.

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