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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know, if the weather, Gentleman,

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Speaker 1: was the NFL Draft, And yes, we are off and

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Speaker 1: Podcast Darren Urban Kludguard. If the weather was the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even believe that it actually rained last night.

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Speaker 1: If the raindow was falling on my head this morning,

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Speaker 1: and if an NFL GM had been the one telling

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Speaker 1: me it was raining, even though I was experience it,

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Speaker 1: I still wouldn't believe it, because I'm not believing anything.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing less reliable than the five day

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Speaker 1: forecast is any sort of forecasts. We're getting t minus

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Speaker 1: two days in County from the NFL draft. Are you

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Speaker 1: with me, Darren Urban I thought you loved this part

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Speaker 1: of it, Paul. I thought you loved the speculation and

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Speaker 1: the intrigue and the conspiracy theories. You know, well, you're

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Speaker 1: good at that stuff. Well, I enjoy it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I necessarily endorse it, but there is a limit.

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Speaker 1: There is. I am a man of reason, and when

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Speaker 1: I flip on the Business Channel and CNBC is holding

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Speaker 1: their own stock draft on Thursday, that's too much. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, now, we've jumped the shark. You're probably too

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Speaker 1: young to even know what that means exactly, Kyle jumping

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Speaker 1: the shark. But CNBC did it when they're holding their

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Speaker 1: own stock market draft blue Chippers stock Wall Street style

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Funzy, baby, I know, jump the shark, young,

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Speaker 1: but uh, I'm just glad that nobody's talking about if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be alive on Sunday. Like Kyle Shanahan was

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Speaker 1: saying in his press conference, that was a unique way

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Speaker 1: to go about answering at Jimmy Garoppolo question, you're right, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this because, well, first off, this

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. I mean, come on, now,

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Speaker 1: if we were all gonna go out and we were

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Speaker 1: is there any better way to go out? In a

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Speaker 1: nice seven round draft over three days NFL style? Come on, now,

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Speaker 1: isn't that the best way to go out? I gotta

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Speaker 1: say before we get off this topic, I did thoroughly

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Speaker 1: enjoy that that is one of the new ways to

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Speaker 1: it's funny. As much as I really enjoyed the world

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Speaker 1: ending potential of the one quote from Kyle Shanahan, I

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Speaker 1: also enjoyed the other one where I'm paraphrasing here, But

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Speaker 1: he basically was asked about how if he'd seen all

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Speaker 1: the tweets and comments from not only pundits but fans

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Speaker 1: I gotta. First of all, Paul, the first thing I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had heard that, while you still do

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Speaker 1: two three months out before the draft, Baker Mayfield was

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Speaker 1: think Mac Jones is the guy, because in the end,

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Speaker 1: And that was the premise, And there was a pretty

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Speaker 1: decent argument, especially when you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: recent running backs who are first rounders who got second contracts,

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Speaker 1: or as Zekiel Elliott most recently and has not panned

432
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Speaker 1: out whatsoever. Anyway, I can't replicate the argument. By the

433
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Speaker 1: time mel Kiper was done, he absolutely destroyed that argument.

434
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Speaker 1: He is vehement against taking running backs in the first round.

435
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Speaker 1: It's second round or lower in his opinion. He made

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Speaker 1: a really compelling and convincing argument, so that I tend

437
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Speaker 1: to be on board with that, especially when you can

438
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: site offensive line and edge rusher and corner other areas

439
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: that Steve kime is named in the past one of

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00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: the big four position groups, right Kyle, that he would

441
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: target in the first round, even always gone against that

442
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 1: a few times, that still is his thesis going in. Yeah,

443
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: and I think going back to the running back thing,

444
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's it's devalued to a point

445
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: in free agency where if you if you give somebody

446
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: six seven million dollars, you get a really good running back.

447
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: So why not spend the money there if you really

448
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 1: want a star running back instead of using a first

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Speaker 1: round pick. I just think it's it's a matter of

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Speaker 1: draft capital. I mean, they'd be cheap, but you're it's

451
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Speaker 1: you're using the pick on a running back instead of

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Speaker 1: a different position. So definitely, all things being equal, especially

453
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Speaker 1: seeing the roster composition this year, like cornerback would be ideal,

454
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: I just don't think that Patrick Surtan and jac Horn

455
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Speaker 1: are going to be there. And at wide receiver, will

456
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Speaker 1: Davante Smith or Jalen Waddle'll be there. So I think

457
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: that's the big question mark is what is number sixteen

458
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Speaker 1: gonna look like? And I agree with you, Paul, like

459
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Speaker 1: I could see one of those guys dropping because there's

460
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Speaker 1: enough other prospects that could go up, there's enough quarterbacks

461
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Speaker 1: that are going to be taken. But I also think

462
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Speaker 1: it's a distinct possibility that they're all gone by thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

463
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Speaker 1: and then it'll be really interesting to see what the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals do and just to put a bow on the

465
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Speaker 1: whole running back thing, I will say that Dan and

466
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah suggested the same thing, which is basically, even if

467
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Speaker 1: you do spend a first round pick on a running back,

468
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Speaker 1: you don't give these guys second contracts. You just don't

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Speaker 1: do it. And that's fine. The problem I have with

470
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Speaker 1: that in the first round is those are the guys that,

471
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, you hope to be the

472
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Speaker 1: lynchpins of your roster for the long term. And obviously

473
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Speaker 1: there's lots of guys that wash out. There's lots of

474
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Speaker 1: first round picks that don't get a second contract anyway.

475
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Speaker 1: So I understand that, but I would have a hard

476
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Speaker 1: time passing up a chance to get a guy who

477
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Speaker 1: might be with you for potentially eight to ten years

478
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Speaker 1: at another position and automatically be take using the pick

479
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Speaker 1: on a guy that you know, going in before he's

480
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Speaker 1: ever played it down for you that you'll probably not

481
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Speaker 1: have him past five years because you don't want to

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Speaker 1: give him a second contract. I would have a hard

483
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Speaker 1: time with that. Well, you know, look, someone brought up

484
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Speaker 1: the fact, well Leonard Fournette was a top by pick

485
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Speaker 1: and he just want a Super Bowl. Was a big

486
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: part of that Tampa team. Yeah, but Tampa didn draft him.

487
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: He was the Jaguars draft ping. So if you want

488
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Speaker 1: to go about, hey, I'll find a first round running

489
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: back who's on the scrap heap from another team, Well,

490
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: that would be my approach. And that's what Jeremiah was

491
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: saying about a bad team picking up running back high

492
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Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette, se Quon Barkley, These guys, they Leonard Fournette

493
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Speaker 1: might have been fine had he been picked by a

494
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Speaker 1: good team in the top five, if if somebody had

495
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: traded up and it would have been okay or even

496
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Speaker 1: bar I mean, Barkley has been good when he's healthy,

497
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: but what does it matter. I mean, the Giants aren't winning.

498
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: And again, the bottom line as you're trying to win

499
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: and if you're getting a guy that's not helping, you

500
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: necessarily do that because the rest of your rosters is

501
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: not there that it just doesn't make any sense. And

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00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: the injury risk, the injury risk is one hundred percent

503
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Speaker 1: a part of the evaluation, like sae Quon Barkley towards

504
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: acl Christian McCaffrey has been hurt. Even if these guys

505
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: are stars, at some point if they get hurt at

506
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Speaker 1: a position where durability is an issue because you're getting

507
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: hit twenty twenty five times a game and you're taking

508
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: a lot of contact. I think that's definitely part of

509
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Speaker 1: it too, where even if this guy is a great player,

510
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: he plays a position where you're pretty replaceable and where

511
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: you get hurt a lot. So I think I just

512
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Speaker 1: think the downside of drafting a running back early is

513
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: more than the upside. All right, So the injury history

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Speaker 1: there is our segue here on Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the years

516
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Speaker 1: on our Cardinals into the Caleb Farley question. Does he

517
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Speaker 1: or does he not scare you guys, because that's right now.

518
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: I'm terrified. I'm terrified times three, two back surgeries and

519
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: a torn ACL and you haven't even hit your pro

520
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: career ID. Yeah, that's enough for me to rule him

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Speaker 1: out of my first round almost or at least the

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Speaker 1: very bottom of the first round. That would be my

523
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: initial reaction to that. I don't know what Cardinals team

524
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: doctors are saying. None of us know that. Oh wow,

525
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: to me from AFAR, that's terrified. Darren, you know I

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Speaker 1: went back and listened to Farley's press conference when he

527
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: did it during Virginia Techs Pro Day to kind of

528
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: hear a little bit about it. And obviously, the torn

529
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: acl is never never a good thing, although we've seen

530
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: plenty of guys coming back from that. I mean, Tyer

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00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: Matthews had two of those, and it doesn't seem to

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00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: have slowed him down in his career. So that's not

533
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: the death sentence that used to be. The back surgery

534
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of interesting. I didn't know the details.

535
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: He didn't get hurt playing football. He got hurt weightlifting

536
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: and had an original injury that the initial surgery was

537
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: to fix part of it, and then he had another

538
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: disk that they were hoping was going to self heal

539
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: over time, and it just never did. And unfortunately they

540
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: got to the point earlier this offseason we're like, Okay,

541
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: to make sure you're ready for your pro career, we

542
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: need to do this surgically because it's not coming around.

543
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: So it's when I heard back surgeries that that made

544
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: me freak out a little bit more than after I

545
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: heard it. Now, I'm not a doctor. I haven't looked

546
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: at him. It's it's gonna be tough, and I think

547
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: that that one's ultimately going to come down to your

548
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: doctor period, end of story, because I think if if

549
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: the if the Cardinals doctors and Tom Reid say this

550
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: guy's gonna be okay, he doesn't have any greater risk

551
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: of hurting his back or his knee going forward than

552
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: anybody else you might draft, or a negligible higher chance,

553
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: then I think they're going to take him, because ultimately

554
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: everybody says that. I mean, if he was a one

555
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: hundred percent healthy, he's the best cornerback period, end up story,

556
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: over certain over horn for everything he brings to the table.

557
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: So I think that's something to keep in mind. But

558
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: if you're relying on the doctors, and the doctors are

559
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: the one you have to go on their word as

560
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: to whether he's even going to be ready for training

561
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: camp or not, that seems to fly in the face

562
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: of the Cardinals m O this offseason, which is when

563
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: now we're all in right now, real time, we're going

564
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: for it. Drafting to Caleb Farley seems to fly in

565
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: the face of that. Whereas he a green a prospect

566
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: to be on pup list come August. Yeah, that's how

567
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: I see it too. I mean what I thought back

568
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: was to twenty sixteen. I believe it was when they

569
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Speaker 1: took Robert kim Dchi where it felt like the Cardinals

570
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: in the first round kind of had a luxury pick

571
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: to take a high ceiling boom er Bus type guy

572
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: because their roster was so good that year and they

573
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: didn't really need to fill anything. But if you take

574
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Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, you're really expecting him to be a key

575
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: part of that secondary, to probably start at cornerback immediately

576
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: if he can. And I agree with you, Paul, like,

577
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: if there's some doubts about whether he's ready to go

578
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: in camp, that would scare me, especially when you talk

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Speaker 1: about at number sixteen overall, where there's a lot of

580
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: very good players that are going to be available, And

581
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: Darren did a story looking back at historically at the

582
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Speaker 1: number sixteen pick, and there's a lot of pro bowlers

583
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Speaker 1: on that list. So you'd have to really believe that

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Speaker 1: Caleb Farley has a clean bill of health, because it's

585
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Speaker 1: to me, it's too much of a risk to take

586
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: him there if you have any question whatsoever about anything

587
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: lingering or anything that could pop back up, even though

588
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: he has that type of talent. I just don't think

589
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: this team is at a spot where they have that

590
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: type of luxury like they did in twenty sixteen. Yet,

591
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: to Darren's point, Steve Kayn talked up Caleb Farley in

592
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: his media session. He was pretty effusive in his praise

593
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: and Farley's abilities was that genuine to some degree? Knowing

594
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want him at number sixteen, Darren and hey,

595
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: maybe someone else. We'll go for ostensibly the best corner

596
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: in the draft, and that enhances the odds of a

597
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: Certain or JC Horn maybe being there at number sixteen.

598
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Do you think perhaps that was sort of a reverse

599
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: engineer job by Steve Khn. It's possible. It's possible. But

600
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: I would also say that I think Caleb Farley, because

601
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: of the injuries, no matter what your doctors are saying,

602
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: he's dropped below Certain and Horn. If you're looking for

603
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: a cornerback and either Horn or certains on the board,

604
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: you're taking them before Caleb Farley, period, end of story.

605
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: Because of the risk factor. I think at this point

606
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: the Farley thing comes into play, like, Okay, if I'm

607
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: looking for a cornerback, now, is the injury enough that

608
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to drop him below Samuel on my board?

609
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: Am I dropping him below Newsom on my board? You

610
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: know exactly how is that going to work? And how

611
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: early can I take him or how late can I

612
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: take him, or however you want to look at it.

613
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: When I'm feeling comfortable enough to take him. I mean,

614
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't Caleb Farley's not going to be there when

615
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: they're picking in the second round. I wouldn't think so.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's going to take him at some point, and I've

617
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: had to educate myself. I'm Greg Newsom, the Northwestern corner

618
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: who has been connected to the Cardinals quite a bit,

619
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Speaker 1: and some of the recent mock drafts either at sixteen

620
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: or perhaps the Cardinal's trading down taking him the end

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Speaker 1: of the first round. The kid out of Northwestern, and

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00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: he has his own injury concerns which I didn't realize.

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Speaker 1: He's missed eight three and four games during his three

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00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: starting seasons. So he's a guy who's has more of

625
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: a slight frame. From what I can tell, it's a

626
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: kid to maybe a Dominique Rogers Cromarty, kind of a

627
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: skinnier guys run a four three eight apparently at one

628
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: pro day. He doesn't have DRC speed, but he's still

629
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: a burner. He's an ultra competitor. Apparently he is a

630
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: chip on the shoulder kind of guy who wasn't considered

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Speaker 1: a top college prospect, and he competes like all get out.

632
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: In fact, that there's one drawback on Newsom. Apparently he's

633
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: drawn a lot of flags just biting receivers and he

634
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: will compete and contest every single catch. And so I

635
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: am curious what the Cardinals think about every cornerback not

636
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: named Horn, Certan or Farley, And would you think that

637
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Newsom might be the most likely next guy in their list? Kyle,

638
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: That's basically how it kind of lines up with the

639
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: prospect rankings that I've seen, and Newsom could very well

640
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: be ahead of Farley for a lot of people, because,

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Speaker 1: like we've talked about the medical stuff, Number sixteen, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I know he's been mocked drafted to the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals by various people. At sixteen. It would probably make

644
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: more sense to me where if you traded down and

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00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: got him in the twenties, maybe that would be an

646
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: ideal scenario where you get the cornerback that you like

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00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: in the first round. But you also pick up some

648
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: extra draft capital in those later rounds. That would be

649
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: a nice set up. But I just I'm not sure

650
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: what they think of Greg Newsom or how he would fit.

651
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: I know he played a lot of zone in college,

652
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: although it seems like he's got the man demand ability,

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: so that would be maybe a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: adjustment period. And like we've been talking about the window

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Speaker 1: mode and is he ready to step in on day

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00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: one and be a starting cornerback or is he a

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00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: guy that you're gonna have to slow play a little bit.

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00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's part of the evaluation too, where

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Speaker 1: if you can get a guy in the first round

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00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: who is ready to go and ready to make an

661
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: impact early, I think you put some value to that

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00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: because even as talented as Isaiah Simmons is, it took

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00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: him about half the season to really get going. And

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Speaker 1: if we don't have an offseason or if it's shortened

665
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, these rookies could be behind as well. And

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Speaker 1: to me, if you can get a more ready guy,

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00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: that would be a big plus seeing as where the

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00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: Cardinals are in the push for competitiveness. So I have

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Speaker 1: three hot takes I'm going to throw out there over

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Speaker 1: the course of this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by a Pacific Office automation. Here's number one. If

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Speaker 1: Patrick Curtain or JC Horn is there before the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys at ten, because I think if there's one certainty

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Speaker 1: beyond the top three picks in this draft, it's that

675
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going corner at number ten. So you

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: got to get in front of Dallas. If Horn or

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00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: Certan is still on the board at eight or nine,

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00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals trade up and get their guy, their future number

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00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: one elite cover corner in Horn or certain The question

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00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: is what will it cost? But once again they're all in.

681
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: When now Mo Darren Urban Boom Cardinals pull the trigger

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Speaker 1: on a draft a blockbuster trading up with the Panthers

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00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: at eight? Is that what you're saying? Matt Rule and

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00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury have a long relationship. Cliff calls Matt. They

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00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: make it happen. What are you? Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: this question, Are you giving up your second round pick

687
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: for that? Probably because that's probably what it would cost

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00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: you would probably, I would think, without looking at the stuff,

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00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it would probably cost you your second round picks.

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00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: So you're going. Now you're you're down to one player

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00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: over the first two days of the draft. It's an

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00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: interesting conversation if you feel that strongly about one of

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Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem

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00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: with it, but you are really pushing, you know. Steve

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00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: Kim told me a couple of weeks ago how he

696
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: thought it was funny everybody's talking about them pushing their

697
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: chips in That feels very much like pushing your chips.

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00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: And because here's the situation kind of what the Cardinals

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00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: are facing right now, which is, you know, they've got

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00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 1: so many guys on one year deals and older guys,

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00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have some dead money, and you're you're

702
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: giving up X number of picks in this scenario again

703
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: where you're only gonna have so many draft picks, and

704
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: they're thinking the later picks aren't going to be worth

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: nearly as much because the draft pool is so small

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: this year, because there's a lot fewer players that have

707
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: come out because they're all if you had, if you

708
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: wanted to, you could go back to school. So there's

709
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: a lot fewer players coming out. It just makes it

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Speaker 1: it makes it very interesting to me where this team

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00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: is going to sit next year and the year after

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00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: after this one, especially if it doesn't work out, because

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00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have a lot of draft capital, and

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have it a lot of young players,

715
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a very interesting kind of

716
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: swim up stream after that. And you can argue either side.

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: I guess if I'm Steve Time and I make that

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00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: deal and it costs me the second round pick this

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00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: year to get up into the top ten and take Horners,

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: certain my response would be, well, look at the rest

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: of the division. Nobody else in this division as any

722
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: future picks anyway. I mean, look, look what the Seahawks

723
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: have done Jamal Adams, Look what the Niners just did.

724
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the Rams don't have a stinking first round

725
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: pick until the next turn of the century. You know.

726
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: That would be my response. I'm just keeping up with

727
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: the Joneses in the NFC West. My concern would be,

728
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: you trade multiple picks to move up, but you also

729
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: then you still have a rookie who might take some time,

730
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: like I just mentioned with Isaiah Simmons, like Patrick Curtan

731
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 1: looks like a great prospect, but if he takes half

732
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: a season to get up to speed. You feel like

733
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to win right now and that could hurt you.

734
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like as more of these big names

735
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: start popping up as possible trade options, it makes a

736
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me do trade a draft pick

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00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: for a veteran star who you feel like we can

738
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: plug this guy in like they did with the DeAndre

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00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: Hopkins trade, Like, yeah, we gave up draft capital, but

740
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: we know this guy's making an impact from day one.

741
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: And if you're talking about a two year window right here,

742
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: I think I would be more apt to trade this

743
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: draft capital for a veteran if there's a good setup where, yeah,

744
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: maybe this guy's a little bit more expensive, but we're

745
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: not giving up as much because they don't cost as

746
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: much if their salaries are bigger. And then you have

747
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: a scenario where you plug these holes with proven guys

748
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: and really pushing go for it instead of relying on

749
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: a rookie as talented as they are, there's always those

750
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: speed bumps. Let me I see this though, Wouldn't this

751
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: be a good situation for around one corner to come

752
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: into Considering that CB one right now is Malcolm Butler,

753
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: unlike when Patrick Peterson was drafted in twenty twelve. I

754
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: vividly remember game number one is NFL debut. He's a

755
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: rookie and he's going against Steve Smith and Carolina, and

756
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: Steve Smith was fighting him like a Tasmanian devil, like

757
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: he did every single game. And believe me, whether Pat

758
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: ever admitted or not, it was a wake up call

759
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: like this guy is going hand to hand combat against

760
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: me every single snap and I'm trying to keep up

761
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: with Steve Smith in his prime. To me, if I'm

762
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: bringing in a certain or a horn, this is a

763
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: pretty good situation because Malcolm Butler's going to be the guy,

764
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: at least to start this season. I'm not sure you

765
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: think Malcolm Butler travels with number ones next season. I

766
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: think he might have some help. I'm not sure he's

767
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: going to be on the island. But yeah, if there's

768
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: going to be a game plan where you're gonna put

769
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: one guy on their best guy, that would definitely be

770
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler to start, no matter who you draft, even

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00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: if Curtain and bertram Berry is really high in Curtain.

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00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, every time I talked to Beatrain, He's like, look,

773
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I watched every one of their games. That kid is

774
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: the corner in this draft. He is going to be

775
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: elite and he is all in on curtain. But even so,

776
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: if there are games or anything, it doesn't cater to

777
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: his skill set and there's a bad matchup, Malcolm Butler

778
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: is that guy. Because you know, we were on who

779
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: were on the Big Red Rage and it was Frank Sanders,

780
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: and we asked Frank Sanders about the corner position as

781
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: a receiver, and he said, what you have to worry

782
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: about any corner in the rookie year is that they

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00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: don't lose their confidence because corners will be It's gonna happen,

784
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: and you better make sure, in addition to all the

785
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: other measurables, that you get a gauge of their confidence,

786
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: of their mental fortitude, because the first thing you're going

787
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: to do in practice, every single receiver is going to

788
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: target that rookie number one corner and they're going to

789
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: try and steal his confidence. And if that happens, you're doomed.

790
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: That guy will never be the player you want him

791
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: to be. That's Frank Sanders talking in his experience a

792
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: career of going against corners. Darren I get where that's

793
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: coming from. But when you're talking about the guys at

794
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: the top, I mean everything. First of all, I heard

795
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: Caleb Farley. I mean, this is the guy who didn't

796
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: play last year because they opted out, and then he's

797
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: had the surgeries, and this dude, without blinking, in fact,

798
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: you could tell he was wondering if he should say

799
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: it out loud, because you know he thinks it. He's like,

800
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Speaker 1: I'm the best cornerback in the draft, and so I

801
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: don't worry about his confidence. I've heard enough stuff about

802
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: jac Horn. I'm not worried that he thinks he's the

803
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: best cornerback out there. I haven't seen as much about

804
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Sir Tam, but something tells me if people are saying

805
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: you're the number one corner and you went to Alabama,

806
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about his confidence either. So you know,

807
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you're talking a mid brown pick who you

808
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: need to develop. I could understand that, But I think

809
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: when we're talking about these major top guys, I'm not

810
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: worried about whether their confidence is going to be or

811
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: maybe Farley is just taking after his age. And Drew Rosenhaus, who,

812
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: by the way, told some of the national Insiders Kyle

813
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: that Drew Rosenhaus says Caleb Farley is not getting past

814
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft that Rosenhaus has talked

815
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: to teams dot dot dot, which makes you wonder if

816
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Steve Kim is one of those guys at Rosenhaus has

817
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: supposedly reportedly allegedly talked to. Well. First of all, I

818
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: don't see the upside of a team telling an agent

819
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: that we're definitely going to draft your guy at sixteen.

820
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: I mean, what's why as a team are you doing that?

821
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: What does that serve you well for? And looking back

822
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: at the cornerback number two cornerback situation, I'm still looking

823
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: at this division in particular, if DK Mattcalf and Tyler

824
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: Lockett are on the field together, your rookie cornerback is

825
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: going against a good receiver if they're both outside, and

826
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: same thing with Deevo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk Cooper Cup

827
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: and I mean, they're gonna be matchups against some very

828
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: good wide receivers. And that's still my concern, Like, no

829
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: matter how talented these guys are, those guys that they're

830
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: going against have these little tricks, Like Tyler Lockett knows

831
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: what to do against inexperienced corners. So that's why I

832
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: feel like I don't want to put all my eggs

833
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: in one basket and trade up for somebody, even if

834
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: you believe they're gonna be great. I just think it

835
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: goes back to, like you're saying, Paul, the window of

836
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: opportunity here, where if you do believe in these next

837
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: two seasons, I think putting so much emphasis on one player,

838
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: one first round pick, and basically punting on the rest

839
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: of the draft in essence, I think that's a lot

840
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: of pressure on the guy, and if he doesn't work out,

841
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: it could be a big negative for the team. I

842
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: will say, Paul, if you if you truly believe that

843
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: certain let's say, for instance, is the second coming of

844
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson, I have a little less problem of making

845
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: that that move. But you better be one hundred. While

846
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: you can't be one hundred, you better be ninety nine

847
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: point five percent sure that that guy is another Patrick

848
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: Peterson and is going to be a all pro level

849
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: cornerback for five to eight years. If I'm trading up

850
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: at this point, that's kind of how I would feel

851
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: about Well, I'd say it's a combination what you both

852
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: just said. It's what you said, Darren, You're completely convinced

853
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: this guy is going to be a Pro Bowl corner.

854
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: But to your point, Cow, it's a dire need right now.

855
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: To me, corner is more of a need than anything

856
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: else on this team period. It just is, and Cow

857
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: documented it with a pair of receiving threats. Every single

858
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: division rival has. What do you have opposite Malcolm Butler

859
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: right now? A huge question mark? And Robert Alford. You

860
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: can get away with the Cardinals offensive line for twenty

861
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: twenty one, You can get away with the receiver room

862
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Pass rushers, absolutely, linebacker most certainly cornerback. No,

863
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: that's the one box they had not checked yet, not completely.

864
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: So to me, that would be the catalyst, that would

865
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: be the impetus to get into the top ten and

866
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: make that deal. It's not only the player, it's the

867
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: dire need. It's the urgency where you sit right now

868
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: on a team that otherwise you think you can make

869
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: some serious noise this year. But if you get that desperate,

870
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: that might start coloring your evaluation and making you believe

871
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: that you think Patrick Curtana is the next Patrick Peterson

872
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: and overlooking certain faults, if there are any there. And

873
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like, if you're so gung ho

874
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: on doing something like that, I would just worry about

875
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: the possible downsides of it, because if the Cardinals don't

876
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback, even in the first two rounds, there's

877
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: cornerbacks in free agency. You can talk trades with people,

878
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: there's there's different ways to try to figure it out,

879
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and I just feel like being dead set on getting

880
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: a cornerback at sixteen or trading up if somebody's there

881
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: at nine, I think that could do more harm than good.

882
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: And I would personally just wait for it to come

883
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: to me, trade down, accumulate picks, or maybe identify a

884
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: veteran that I know is definitely a guy who's done

885
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: it in the NFL for a long time. Those options,

886
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: to me, would be more promising than trading up for

887
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: a guy and really giving up too much draft capital

888
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: and hoping that he's the guy you want. And I know,

889
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: I know nobody would want to sit there saying are

890
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: the top two cornerbacks on this team on the outside

891
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: are going to be on one year deals? But this

892
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: draft is gonna be over. There's going to be cornerbacks

893
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: that are drafted, and then any veterans that are out there,

894
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: and I don't have to list in front of me

895
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: who's still available. There's gonna be no better place pot

896
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: actually then to go then to a Cardinals team that

897
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: could use a number two corner if they don't draft one,

898
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: and so they're going to be very attractive for a

899
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: kind of a proved situation that you might be able

900
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: to get one of the better ones who's still out there,

901
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: whoever that might be. You know, just to pull back

902
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: the curtain a little bit here on this podcast, Darren

903
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: threw out a possible talking point today and I'll just

904
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: quote it directly. This draft is going to be weird again,

905
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: but we're probably not going to have a Cliffhouse moment.

906
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Quote unquote, Darren, not exactly sure what you mean by that,

907
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: other than as a nor Cal Bay area guy, Cliff

908
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: House you automatically think of that classic structure that's on

909
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: the edge of the coast there, just north of Ocean

910
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: Beach and south of the Golden gate Bridge that goes

911
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: back to like the eighteen sixties, the Cliff House that

912
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: has been there. But I do like that money for

913
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: the for the photo that blew up and went viral.

914
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: That is a good way to term it. I don't

915
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: know if you've used that before. That's the first time

916
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I've seen you a fixed Cliffhouse to that picture. That's

917
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: the first time I've done it to the picture. I've

918
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: been to the quote unquote Real Cliffhouse many times the

919
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: turn of the century. Spa place for the rich and

920
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: hoity toity out there in San Francisco. I love that, which,

921
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: by the way, didn't make it through the pandemic. It's

922
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: now closed anyway. Yeah, they closed down the restaurant. Yeah. Really,

923
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: Oh that's terrible. Yeah, I thought you meant. I thought

924
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: you meant the Real Cliffhouse didn't make it through the

925
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Spanish flu pandemic of nineteen eighteen. But I no, that's well,

926
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: it did burn down like once or twice, I think

927
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: in the Great Fire, in the earthquake and oh six,

928
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: it burned down. I'm pretty sure, yeah, exactly. So, you know,

929
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: I just I guess I'm it. I think there's gonna

930
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: be some differences here, you know. Obviously I'm seeing on

931
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: social media the Rams are making the big deal about

932
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: their beach house that they've rented out for their decision makers,

933
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: and they're they're going all in on making a big

934
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: deal about that. But I mean the Cardinals people are

935
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: going to be in their regular draft room. There's gonna

936
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: be some moves. I mean the food because the draft

937
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: room is right by where my cubicle is. The food's

938
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: gonna be on the outside of the door. They're gonna

939
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: have some ways to like circulate a little bit more.

940
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: They're gonna try and spread out a little bit more.

941
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be in the facility. You're not gonna

942
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: have Cliff Kingsbury at his house, but it is going

943
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: to be a little bit different. There's gonna be a

944
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: lot fewer places players that are going to Cleveland that

945
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: are going to be there live. I think the last

946
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: thing I saw was there was only thirteen players that

947
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: were going to be live in Cleveland for the draft party.

948
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how this

949
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: plays out compared to where we were at this time

950
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: last year, compared to where we were this time two

951
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: years ago. And by the way, I guess I should

952
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: specify that when I say the great fire and earthquake

953
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: of Oh six Kile, you're young enough that was a

954
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: nineteen o six. I'm not talking about two thousand and six.

955
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: I probably should clarify that. I'm just wondering if you're

956
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: getting paid per NorCal reference in this podcast, because it's

957
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: like seventy three NorCal references already. That's good. Yeah, well

958
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: at my own expense. You know, really that I'm not

959
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: the one who threw off Cliffhouse. Darren's been there. Okay,

960
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: well what I mean it's it's it's nationally known. I mean,

961
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: come on now, it's anyway, all right? So do you

962
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: have any weird predictions, Kyle, anything that you know is?

963
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's gonna follow form as

964
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: a lot of these mock drafts are going out? They

965
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: hit right on these mock drafts. Is miserable, beyond abysmal.

966
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: M But do you think something weird is going to happen?

967
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: I think the opposite. I think what we've been thinking

968
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks early is going to happen. I think

969
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: it's Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and probably Mac Jones three

970
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: and I met your quarterback goes for whether Atlanta takes

971
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: one or trades down does something. I think it's gonna

972
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: be a heavy quarterback run early, and then that big

973
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: group of skill guys that we've been talking about in cornerbacks,

974
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be in that next group. So

975
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be pretty close to what we

976
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: think probably around through pick twelve or thirteen. And that's

977
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: why it's interesting for the Cardinals is because we really

978
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: don't know if one of those guys is going to

979
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: slip to sixteen, and it feels like you could easily

980
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: make a case for it happening, and you could easily

981
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: make a case for why you're gonna pretty much go

982
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: chalk and they won't have those guys available. But I

983
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals are right near that pivot point of

984
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: where it could get a little wacky, where the evaluations

985
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: start to get a lot different between the teams because

986
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have the combine. Because teams are relying so

987
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: much on tape, the pro day measurements are a little

988
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: hard to figure out whether this guy really ran this

989
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,479
Speaker 1: fast in the forty. So I think you might see

990
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: a decent amount of action of guys wanting to move

991
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: up or move down because their rankings are pretty span

992
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: a lot of different thoughts across the board, So I

993
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: think once we get to the middle of the first round,

994
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: that's when I feel like it might get a little

995
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: bit interesting. And the Cardinals could very well be right

996
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: in the thick of that. And so if this draft

997
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: is mostly gonna be chalk, as as Kyle used to

998
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: term from March Madness, right, if this is gonna go

999
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: chalk like like the brackets, there's not gonna be a

1000
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: lot of you know, fifteen seeds beating two seeds. And

1001
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: how about since that does you know that doesn't make

1002
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: for good listens and ratings on the podcast world? I mean,

1003
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: we have sweets months, others is April sweets month in

1004
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: the podcast world? I don't know. I go back to

1005
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: local TV. I'm gonna bust out my second hot take.

1006
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: You ready for the second hot take? I saw where

1007
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: Skip Bayless gets So I just got a new contract

1008
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: for like five million years. So I'm just going all

1009
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: hot takes right here. And maybe maybe there's a scout

1010
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: out there. Maybe there's someone scouting the next hot take artist.

1011
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: Here we go. Is Kyle Pits really gonna be that

1012
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: transformational guy? How many Florida games did Paul pencil next see?

1013
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: Exactly zero? But when I watched the highlights. What does

1014
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: he not fight the football a little bit? He doesn't

1015
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: seem to be that natural pass catcher. Now I looked

1016
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: it up. He supposedly had zero drops this past season. Zero,

1017
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: but in some of the scatter reports they said he

1018
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: did have a few issues catching the ball earlier in

1019
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: his career at Florida. Just when I watch him, I

1020
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: don't see necessarily a natural pass catcher. And you guys

1021
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: tell me he's not a real dual complete tight end, right.

1022
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: He's more receiver than he is tight end. He's not

1023
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: there on fourth and one rooting out some defensive end

1024
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: and they're not running behind him when they eight yards

1025
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: that count. He's not a gronk in that regard. So

1026
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: you're telling me he could be taking number four overall,

1027
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: or somebody could give up a lot of draft capital

1028
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: to go up and take Kyle Pits when dare I

1029
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: say it, he could be like a glorified Dan Arnold,

1030
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: glorified Ricky Seals Jones. I really want to go hot take,

1031
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: but I just don't. You can mark this down, Jim.

1032
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred producer of Cardinal's Underground two years from now.

1033
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: I want to revisit this whole Kyle Pits there. I

1034
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: don't see him taking this league by storm. See again,

1035
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: it feels like Paul has an issue with people named Kyle.

1036
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. Oh wait a minute. Nobody gave

1037
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: more love to Kyler than yours, truly going into the

1038
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: two nineteen drafts. So come on, now, the r makes

1039
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah, that's right. That's well, when he's playing

1040
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: quarterback and you need a quarterback, you're all in. Put

1041
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: it that way. I agree with you on the idea

1042
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: of I mean, I don't know what Kyle Pitts is

1043
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: going to look like in the NFL, but there's a

1044
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: segment of Cardinals fans that would love to trade the

1045
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: farm and move up and get Kyle Pitts if he's

1046
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: in that six seven eight range. And it would always

1047
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: worry me to take a tight end that early, like

1048
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: we've talked about with cornerback too. I just feel like

1049
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: it's so expensive to move that high, to take a

1050
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: non quarterback that high and give up all that draft capital.

1051
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: Nothing against Kyle Pitts, nothing against Patrick Cirtan. I just

1052
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it would be prudent to give

1053
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: up all that, all those resources. This is from one

1054
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: player at a non premium position. I would agree with that.

1055
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Kyle Pitts has got a chance

1056
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: to be a difference maker, especially as a receiver in

1057
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: this league. I don't know if I quite seem as

1058
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: a glorified Ricky Seals Jones, but I will I would

1059
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: agree with Kyle. I liked his term earlier when about

1060
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: letting the draft come to you. I mean, I'm a

1061
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: little different with a cornerback. Maybe maybe I consider it

1062
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: given the circumstances of what I might have to give

1063
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: up to move up. But I wouldn't be moving up

1064
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: for a tight end. That would be that just wouldn't

1065
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: be happening in in my world. Let me redeem myself.

1066
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I went too far with a glorified Ricky Seals. My

1067
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: third hot take. My third hot take is how many

1068
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: picks do the Cardinals have in the six and seventh round?

1069
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: I have it right here, So they have like three,

1070
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: don't they don't? They have three? They have two in

1071
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: the seventh they have a six. Okay, so and they

1072
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: have a fifth, so they have four picks on the

1073
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: last day. Yeah, use one of those picks, please, on

1074
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: a punter. Get a punter. Get a punter, Kyle, get

1075
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: somebody you can home. Send that ball to the rafters

1076
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: at State Farm Stadium. You've got four picks on day three.

1077
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: Your punter is thirty nine. He was inconsistent down the

1078
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: stretch last year. To me, that portends some uncertainty. Is

1079
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: give him some competition. You need to get the best

1080
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: out and find out if he's still has that sort

1081
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: of caliber season left and what has been a great

1082
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: career for Andy Lee. But if there is really some

1083
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: sort of punting prodigy out there, don't take your chances.

1084
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: Once the last pick is submitted and you start hitting

1085
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: the phones. No use a seven, one or two seventh

1086
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: round picks, especially to Darren's point earlier, where there's gonna

1087
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: be a paucity, a dearth of talent on day three anyway,

1088
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: because so many guys aren't in this year's draft. I mean,

1089
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: at least you walked it back to seventh round because

1090
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: first I thought fifth and sixth round was in the

1091
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: conversation that wasn't going to happen. So your final pick,

1092
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: if you if you think you love a punter, fine,

1093
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: I guess, but Andy Lee is just fine. I'm not

1094
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: spending a draft pick on a specialist. I would rarely

1095
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: ever do that. I mean, I get it that a

1096
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: seventh round pick is a lottery ticket, but if you're

1097
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: doing the scratcher, you want the upside to be one

1098
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, not like five dollars when you win

1099
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: the big megalottery. So I think you have you're minimizing

1100
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: the importance of an above average punter. Absolutely, I'm minimizing that.

1101
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: I am not on a team draft a punter, definitely not.

1102
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Where's Wolf and I need him? I rarely say that.

1103
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: I really I rarely say that, where where is? You know?

1104
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: I need more Wolf? At this punter argument right now,

1105
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm ill equipped on that one. I'm just saying I

1106
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: see it as a need along to your need. And

1107
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: if there's a guy there and there's not a lot

1108
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: of other guys left in the seventh round, even the

1109
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: sixth round, I'd be on board with. Oh no, I said,

1110
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there. You guys can call

1111
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: it a hot take or not, but you know what,

1112
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm walking back my hot take. That's not a hot take.

1113
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: That's a legitimate contention. When you draft Jalen Thompson in

1114
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: the fifth round, J. J. Nelson and and dre Ellington

1115
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: in the sixth. I know it's rare to get solid

1116
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: guys late, but you can find solid players late, and

1117
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: taking a punter is just a waste of a draft

1118
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: pick in my opinion. Wow, Okay, that's we're doing the

1119
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: big red rage tonight. I'm gonna I am gonna throw

1120
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: you under the bus, Kyle with Ron Wolfley, So before

1121
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: we get me, I'm gonna throw on that one there,

1122
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: we pull that quote out. I want that, and I

1123
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: think I think Andy Lee has guaranteed money on his contract,

1124
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: so that that usually is a sign that they plan

1125
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: on keeping him as the punter. That probably snuffs out

1126
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: any last semblants like hey, could you have mentioned that

1127
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: at the top of the take instead? Well, I didn't

1128
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: know that that the punter has guaranteed money thirty nine.

1129
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,439
Speaker 1: They just resigned him in the off season. I wasn't

1130
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: aware of that. Can we get an intern to fact

1131
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: check that, because otherwise otherwise we'll just edit that out

1132
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: of the entire podcast. By my whole contention, all right,

1133
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: So what else do we have here, Marcus Gilbert? I

1134
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: mean that didn't take anybody's to buy surprise, right, Darren

1135
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: Marcus Gilbert, nobody was actually he was. His name wasn't

1136
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: even in pencil on the depth chart. Now, I think

1137
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: I think the writing was on the wall on that one.

1138
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, once Calvin Beechram resigned and you've got Josh

1139
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: Jones and you've got got who you've got, it didn't

1140
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: I just felt like after two years away, he wasn't

1141
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: going to be able to get back into it. And

1142
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was probably about time. He

1143
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: had had the injuries even before all this happened. It's

1144
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: it's tough to get back into the thing. He's newly married,

1145
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: so it made a lot of sense. And so yeah,

1146
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: I think one way or the other, it was unlikely

1147
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Gilbert was going to be on this roster anyways.

1148
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: But it's it's cool that. I mean, he had a

1149
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: nice career, he's got a ring or two whatever he's

1150
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: got from Pittsburgh, and I think ultimately it would have

1151
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: been nice to see if he had been healthy in

1152
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I think it could have made a difference

1153
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: for this team. But he wasn't, so and I don't

1154
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: think it was I just I do want to throw

1155
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: out I don't think it was a bad trade. Though

1156
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: he retired yesterday, and you know, the clime haters come

1157
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: out and say, another whiff by Steve Kim. I don't

1158
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: think it was a whiff by Steve Kim. I mean,

1159
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: it's it's terrible that he tore his knee up, But

1160
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: I think if you would have gotten if he would

1161
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: have played like it looked like he was gonna play

1162
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: and didn't tear his knee up in twenty nineteen, I

1163
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: think that would have been a bargain of a trade.

1164
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: So injuries happened, I don't I don't know if you

1165
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: lay that at the feet of Steve Kim. You guys

1166
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: know this, and Sean Kugler confirmed this, the Cardinal's old

1167
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: line coach of the Big Red Rage that by the

1168
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: end of camp twenty nineteen he was considered the Arizona

1169
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: Cardinal's best offensive lineman Marcus Gilbert. And so that was

1170
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: before DJ Jumper. He's really started to blossom. And at

1171
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: that pool, I mean he was it was looking like

1172
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: a great trade and then a non contact injury on

1173
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: a Wednesday practice or whatever it was, going into the

1174
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: opener against Detroit and he tears his knee and he's

1175
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: done for the year, a complete fluke happening. I was hoping,

1176
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, privately, secretly open he would just take a

1177
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: brubit minimum deal this year because he still wanted to play,

1178
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: and he come out and we'd be able to see him,

1179
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: both him and Robert Alford, because Robert Alford at a

1180
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: heck of a twenty nineteen training camp and then he

1181
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 1: got hurt towards the tail end. I'd love to see

1182
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: I wanted I purpose, I personally wanted to see those

1183
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: guys in camp this year just to see if they

1184
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: still had it. Yeah. I mean, Marcus Kilbert has been

1185
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: a solid player every time he's been on the field,

1186
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: and that was always the risk of the trade. He

1187
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: had been pretty injury prone and something might have happened

1188
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 1: when he came in. It did, so it was kind

1189
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: of a Boomer Bus type trade where you felt like,

1190
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: if he was on the field, he was going to

1191
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: be an above average right tackle and they never got

1192
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: him out there. And now, looking at the right tackle spot,

1193
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: obviously Kelvin Beacham is your clear cut starter at this point,

1194
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: and will Josh Jones get in that mix. Is he

1195
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: going to compete for the guard the right guard position.

1196
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: That part of it will be interesting in camp. And

1197
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: Justin Murray has shown the ability to play right tackle

1198
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: if you need him too, So I feel like they've

1199
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: got some different guys that they're going to look at

1200
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: on the right side. Obviously the left side is pretty

1201
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: locked down already, but it seems like Kelvin Beacham is

1202
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: going to be that starting right tackle and then figure

1203
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: out what you do it guard, but also as a

1204
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: backup right tackle if you have an injury, how does

1205
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: that position look if you need to replace Kelvin Beacham

1206
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: at some point. Well. To wrap up this edition of

1207
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, prop

1208
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals, I really wasn't gonna go

1209
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: there just because it is draft week. But if we're

1210
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: not going to be here comes Sunday, according to Kyle Shanahan,

1211
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: then I might as well get my money's worth on

1212
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: this last podcast. On one final fits theory. Since we've

1213
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: yet to hear anything from Larry Fitzgerald regarding his future

1214
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: in football, did you guys happen to catch any of

1215
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: his commencement speech for the University of Phoenix the graduating

1216
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: class at State Farm Stadium, and the gist of his

1217
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: message was achieve your goals, finish what you start, and

1218
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: you have done that as college graduates. Well. In terms

1219
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: of his football career, yes, Larry has done pretty much everything.

1220
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: But if we're to believe him and take his multitude

1221
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 1: of press conferences at face value, is one and only goal.

1222
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: At least his first and foremost goal was to win

1223
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. Right, not make a super Bowl, but

1224
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl ring, to quote his former head coach,

1225
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: a super Bowl ring, which he doesn't have yet. So

1226
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: can we extrapolate from that that there is that unchecked

1227
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: box that, according to his own commencement address, he is

1228
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: yet to achieve the goal that he set out to.

1229
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: Hancy's gonna play in twenty twenty one. Uh, I mean

1230
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: that's uh that. I will give you this um that

1231
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: seems a little less whacky than the last couple of

1232
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: your your theories. UM, but I really don't think it

1233
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: says anything about anything. You know. It's funny. I if

1234
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: you would have said in January, we'd be sitting here

1235
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: on the podcast right before the draft and we haven't. No,

1236
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: we didn't know what was gonna happen with Larry Fitzgerald.

1237
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: We would have been like what and and it's like

1238
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 1: and now it's just like you know, you're you're kind

1239
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: of like, well, it hasn't had it didn't happen this week,

1240
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,959
Speaker 1: So Okay, I guess we're just gonna wait another week.

1241
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: So the fact that looks like Kyle, We're gonna go

1242
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: all the way through the month of April without an

1243
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: on Larry's future, does that tend to indicate he's done

1244
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: or he's still gonna play, Because if you ask me,

1245
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: if you would ask me to Darren's point back in January,

1246
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: we still didn't have an answer at the end of April,

1247
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: that would seem to indicate, well, yeah, he's playing. Because

1248
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: if you're done, why not find a time to announce it.

1249
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: You've had four months. Well, Marcus Gilbert just announced this week.

1250
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: So I think the longer it goes on, the greater

1251
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: the odds are that he's going to retire. I just

1252
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: feel like you added guys in free agency. Now the

1253
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: drafts come in. What if what if you draft a

1254
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver in one of the first two rounds, then

1255
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: the opportunity for Larry Fitzgerald to get the ball is

1256
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: even less and maybe the only overriding theme at this

1257
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: point for him is winning the Super Bowl, and he

1258
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: doesn't care about his role. But do you want to

1259
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl if you're the fifth receiver and

1260
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: barely even playing. I mean, it would be nice to

1261
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,479
Speaker 1: win a title, but to have that type of role,

1262
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: to me, would not be attractive as a locked in

1263
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Already one of the greatest receivers in history.

1264
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: So I feel like the odds are increasing that he's

1265
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 1: going to retire instead of play in twenty twenty one.

1266
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: But until he says it for sure, I mean, who knows. Kyle.

1267
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: Let the record reflect now this will be my fourth

1268
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: hot take. This is a bonus hot take. The record

1269
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: reflect that I did not say play for the Arizona Cardinals.

1270
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I just said play. And if you're looking

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Speaker 1: to get that ring as our Jim Almahandro is just

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Speaker 1: documented be a text message. Larry has done everything in

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Speaker 1: the NFL except win it all. He won a wild

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01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: card game, he lost a wild card game, he won

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Speaker 1: a divisional game, he lost a divisional game, won the

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01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: NFC Championship, lost the NFC Championship, lost the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's just one thing left. And if you're going

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01:06:52,520 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: to theoretically maximize your odds to win that Super Bowl ring,

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: not just a super Bowl, but a Super Bowl ring,

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01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: you play for the coach who said that, Bruce Arians

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: and you go to Tampa and the rainy Super Bowl

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01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: champions who have run it all the way back and

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01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: bringing back the roster almost completely intact, plus fortified it

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01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: in the draft. Larry theoretically could have maybe a bigger

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: role as the number three receiver in Tampa. Kyle just

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01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: called him the fifth receiver in Arizona. So if that's

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01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: the case, apparently he could go to Tampa and be

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: the third receiver maybe for BA and Tom Brady and

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01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: there you go. First of all, what makes you think

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01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: he's going to be the third receiver in the Buccaneers

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01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: other than you just don't know beyond Evans and Godwin

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01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: who they I do not have their depth chart at

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01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: my fingertips. But I'm confident Larry Fitzgerald. You know, he's

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: already proven himself to that coaching staff once he'll do

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: it again and he'll ascend the buckstep chart, passing a

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01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: young punks behind Godwin and Mike Evans again. And I

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01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: can't remember if I brought this up the podcast or

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: if we were just talking, or if I told somebody

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: else this, because all the days are blurring together, and

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01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: all the Larry Fitzgerald talk is blurring together. But if

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Speaker 1: you're Larry Fitzgerald and you're going to play, I mean,

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: aren't you doubly slapping the fan base in a lot

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: of ways in the metaphorically of course, in the face

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01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: if you go to play for Tampa because because they're

1305
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: in the NFC, you're basically saying your team that you're

1306
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: a fan of, that you've been a fan of me

1307
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: for seventeen years, doesn't have won't come out of the NFC.

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Tampa Bay. So I'm gonna go bounce

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01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: over there. I just that just doesn't seem like something

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: fitz would do well. I mean, I if it was

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01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: an AFC team, I might understand it a little bit better,

1312
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 1: but not an NFC team. It just doesn't make sense

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: to me. But Darren, I mean, they just won the

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01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, right, yeah, and the chances and you just

1315
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs for the fifth straight. Here, let's keep

1316
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: it real. I mean, what are the kids use? What's

1317
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: the ir L in real life? Okay? IRL here? I

1318
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: mean they won this the raigning super Bowl champions. I

1319
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: mean fans are Let's give fans a modicum of credit

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: for having the intelligence can recognize that Tampa is maybe

1321
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: a little further along right now than the Cargirals are. Well,

1322
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not arguing that that realistically, it

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01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense, but I just I'm just

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: talking about, if you're Larry Fitzgerald, do you want to

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01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: do that. I don't think he's going anywhere else. I've

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: said that from day one. If he was going to leave,

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01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: and I've said this many times before, it was going

1328
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 1: to be right when the contract thing had they had

1329
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: the issues twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, whenever he signed that extension.

1330
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: Then when he was going to have a cap number

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: of like twenty four million dollars and the cap was

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: a lot lower, and they redid his contract, that was

1333
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: his window to go. His window to go is not.

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01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere else. And I could look like

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: a fool, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: look like a fool. Here's the last thing I'll say

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01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 1: in this and it's a question for Kyle, true orful

1338
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: Fits fatigue is setting in to the valley. You heard, Darren,

1339
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: it's all bleeding together, it's blowing together. I talked to

1340
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: an a one Cardinals fan, his entire life. Fact he

1341
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: had season tickets in eighty eight. He's still a season

1342
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: ticket holder, and he literally told me there's no bigger

1343
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: Fits fan than this guy. Man still a waiting, what's

1344
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: the hold up? You can tell that. And maybe Larry

1345
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: knows human nature enough that if he continues to prolong this,

1346
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: the blowback will be lessened with each passing day month

1347
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: that at some point people just want an answer and

1348
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: the answer itself won't matter as much as just getting

1349
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: an answer. And now, if the answer is Tampa, guess what.

1350
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: He's minimized that blowback by waiting until July thirteenth. I

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: think he's so beloved here that even if he went

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: to Tampa, I don't think there'd be a humongous amount

1353
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 1: of backlash, no matter when he announced doing it. But

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's some credence to that. If

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01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: he's trying to cushion the blow and I definitely agree

1356
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: where in the beginning it was like all the fans

1357
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: saying Fits come back, Fits come back, Fits come back,

1358
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: and now it's like, Fits, tell us what you're gonna do,

1359
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: So it has it's definitely morphed a little bit where

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01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: people just want to know what he's going to decide

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: to do. I just I don't know. I mean, Tampa

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: Bay doesn't have the same relationship with Larry Fitzgerald as

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals do. So if they're looking at it from

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:45,480
Speaker 1: a strictly XES and O's type situation, is Larry Fitzgerald

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: better than the slot receivers they already have? Does he

1366
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: improve their team? And if they think he does, and

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: it makes football sense. But I think in that situation,

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: it has to make football sense for Tampa Bay for

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01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: it to happen. And that's part of why I don't

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01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: think it'll happen. I think fitz will be either the

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals or retire, And like I said, I think with

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01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: every passing day, retirement seems like the more likely scenario.

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01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: Or just you want to have a role. I mean,

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01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: every single player that's that good wants to be a

1375
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: big part of a team, and every I mean, they

1376
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: just keep on adding guys and now we'll see what

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01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: happens in the draft. But if you had another wide

1378
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: receiver to the fold, I think that just diminishes the

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01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: chances once again. So I gave you a bonus thought.

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01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: If I call this added value, one last quick thought,

1381
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: will you guys this isn't officially a take? You know what,

1382
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: will you guys end the social distancing? And somebody slug

1383
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: me if I give you an added value? In fact,

1384
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: you know what, Kyle has this coming because he made

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01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: me look bad earlier on the whole having mister big

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01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: brain Kyle having knowledge of Andy's Lee's guaranteed money on

1387
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: the punters. I hope I'm right about that. Here's my question.

1388
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: You know the Julio Jones equation, isn't it Julio owns

1389
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: that if they trade him, there's a huge disparity between

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: whether they do it before after June first? Yes, right

1391
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: on the cap hit correct. Could the same financial dynamic

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01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 1: exist with Larry Fitzgerald? But if he's going elsewhere that

1393
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: there's something about the June first designation where all the

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: Kyle don't laugh, they'll shake your head. Give me the

1395
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: knowledge we need the knowledge right now? What's Larry's contract situation?

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01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: Is he just a free agent at this point? Is

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01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: there some ramifications because of his signing bonus going back

1398
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: X number of years? That June first is where he's

1399
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 1: stretching this out too, because come June second, he's gone.

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: I appreciate you trying that side of it, but there

1401
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: are absolutely no cap ramifications. He's a free agent right now.

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01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: He can sign for whatever he wants to, whatever a

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01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: team will give him, and that'll be the salary cap number.

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01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: But it has nothing to do with June first at all.

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01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: With Larry Fitzgerald. Dang, you know what? You know what

1406
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: I need? I need like an analytics intern. I need

1407
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: like some some kid over at ASU who's like in

1408
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: the Advanced Honors Physics and Math department, who's into football analytics.

1409
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: I need to bolster my my arguments. Right, my son's

1410
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: graduating in a week or two weeks. He's he needs

1411
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 1: a job and that's kind of his department. So maybe

1412
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: you can hire him. I'm sure you've got a lot

1413
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: of night to throw around. That's good, Darren. Well, we'll

1414
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 1: tag team Tim Delaney, the VP of Broadcasting, to create

1415
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: a position. Okay, speaking speaking of money, uh Andy Lee

1416
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: one point five million dollars salary, six hundred and fifty

1417
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 1: thousand of it is guaranteed this season. They're not drafting

1418
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: a punter six hundred and fifty k. Come on, I mean,

1419
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: you know they'll spend that on the spread Darren talked

1420
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: about outside. Come on, that's nothing in the NFL. By

1421
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,600
Speaker 1: the way, Darren, you're gonna walk by, we'll hit and

1422
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: run job over draft weekend. Get yourself. That's that's a

1423
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: good deal for you. It's right down from your desk.

1424
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: Don't tell us you're not gonna go over there and

1425
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: fill your plate. I don't know if I'm allowed to

1426
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: partake in the draft room food. I will have to

1427
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: go into a different part of the building. I see.

1428
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: If he does, he's not going to announce it on

1429
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: the podcast. That's right, that's right, that's right. You know what,

1430
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have security set up some cameras around the face,

1431
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: make sure nobody's coming by there. Ron wolf Wield show

1432
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 1: up on the security footage. I'll tell you that one.

1433
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: All right. Well, if we're not gonna be here come Sunday,

1434
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: I hope everybody was happy with what could have been

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