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Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney.

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Speaker 2: what Ann Mallum, the voice we just heard, has done.

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Speaker 2: The nonprofit she started Back on my Feet, has empowered

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Speaker 2: and I can't wait to get into that. But first,

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Speaker 1: Tell me about you as a kid. Well, I grew

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Speaker 2: Really like it, which, of course, in hindsight as adult,

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Speaker 2: So who's going to buy insurance from a guy who's

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Speaker 2: Like anything, there needs to be a ballance and sometimes

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Speaker 2: No such thing as hey, just quit being an addict.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, justification and personal dishonesty is a big part of addiction.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Bill, like, so proud of you for doing that work.

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Speaker 1: Oh are you kidding? It's it's massive. So what happened

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Speaker 1: knowing that like, oh, like I'm what am I in

437
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: control of here? And it's deciding to move forward? Like

438
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: the notion of just going forward was so helpful to me,

439
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: and like finishing something and achieving and accomplishing something.

440
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: I don't know why this just popped in my head,

441
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 2: but that must have been what Forrest Gump was thinking

442
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 2: about when he took off running. Yeah, the ginny thing.

443
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: And so, I mean, I get it. You're you're You're

444
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 2: not That's where you were able to process things I

445
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: would expect. I mean, you're running, it's just you and

446
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 2: you and you're it's an outlet. You're getting all that

447
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 2: frustration out of you.

448
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,239
Speaker 1: And it's clarity, Like you do the work and at

449
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: the end of the run, you feel like you've got clarity,

450
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: You've got a clear mind, You're dopamine, your serotonin levels

451
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: are pumping, so you know, you never finish your run,

452
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: at least I never have. I'm like, I wish I

453
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: never would have done that. Like you always feel good

454
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: and better and there's just so many benefits to it.

455
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Speaker 2: So you started running in high school and it was therapy.

456
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Speaker 1: It was therapy for you. Yep.

457
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Speaker 2: And but you still have your dreams, right, yeah, and

458
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 2: actually twelve year old dreams are they still Have you

459
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 2: given up on those at this time or are they

460
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Speaker 2: still part of your reality?

461
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: No? I doubled down because I I during my runs,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, I convinced myself that I need that even

463
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Speaker 1: more because I have this black mark on my record

464
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Speaker 1: that wasn't supposed to be there, that I'm never going

465
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Speaker 1: to be as happy as I want to be if

466
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Speaker 1: I don't have those things. So I you know, I

467
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: went to college and I graduated in three years with

468
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Speaker 1: two degrees.

469
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Speaker 2: I was, where'd you go to school?

470
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Speaker 1: I went to school at a state school, Saint Cloud

471
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Speaker 1: State University in Minnesota.

472
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Speaker 2: And you got your You've got what were your political science?

473
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Speaker 1: And communication?

474
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Speaker 2: Political science? Communication? Three years?

475
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Speaker 1: Three years?

476
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Speaker 2: I mean I was because you ran through college.

477
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, let me see what you did there. And yes,

478
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: but I was such in a hurry to be an adult.

479
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: I just was like this, I got to get through this.

480
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I had I took twenty one

481
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: credits every semester and worked and I would only go out.

482
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Speaker 1: I mean I used I used to have my days

483
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: written down in fifteen minute increments from when I okay,

484
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm showering from seven to seven to fifteen. I'm doing

485
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Speaker 1: this from seven fifteen to seven thirty. Like it was

486
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Speaker 1: a disciplined schedule and there was no disrupting.

487
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Speaker 2: That's there's that's that's beyond discipline. Yeah, that's not just discipline.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's little insane. Yeah yeah, but but I had

489
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Speaker 1: I had a plan, but.

490
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Speaker 2: You're you were getting realist. Stick to that. We'll be

491
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Speaker 2: right back. What what what would happen if you got

492
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Speaker 2: off schedule?

493
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I'm not kidding. I can't remember. I would.

494
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Speaker 1: I remember going out, you know, with friends, and I

495
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: would only go out on Thursday nights because I had

496
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Speaker 1: a very busy Friday.

497
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Speaker 2: And so it required you then on Thursday night not

498
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Speaker 2: to overdo it because you knew you had something to

499
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Speaker 2: do Friday. So you ab you actually you actually you.

500
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Speaker 2: I guess you pre penoalized yourself.

501
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Speaker 1: I didn't look at it as penalizing in that way.

502
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I looked at it as being committed to what I wanted,

503
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: and I was being you know what you wanted. I

504
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: wanted to get to that point after college again, and

505
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Speaker 1: like achieve have good grades, Like I wanted to be

506
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Speaker 1: the best. I'm super competitive, and I mean I operate

507
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: that way today, which you'll learn more of. But you

508
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: can't be the best if you're not planning your time

509
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Speaker 1: and being in charge. And just like otherwise, time washes

510
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Speaker 1: over you.

511
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Speaker 2: You know earlier when you said that your dad was

512
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Speaker 2: a no doubt, you're the polar opposite.

513
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Speaker 1: But I'm also have very addictive traits like I threw

514
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: up my food for years, I mean, my running, my entrepreneurship.

515
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: I've just channeled them into things that are not destructive

516
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: to me, while the bolimia was destructive.

517
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Speaker 2: You're not a drug or alcohol or or gambling addict, but.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm a productivity addict.

519
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 2: You're a productivity addict, yeah, which is really interesting. So

520
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: you've got your undergraduates degree in three years and then

521
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: I think I read you go on to postgraduate store.

522
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Speaker 1: I did so. I interned for my US senator the

523
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: summer before my senior year in college, and I went

524
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Speaker 1: to DC and I was like, wow, this place is

525
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: so cool, so different than yeah, and from a girl

526
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Speaker 1: from North and I've never been there. You know, all

527
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: the houses are stuck together, like it was just like

528
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Speaker 1: everything was different than what I had had learned and experienced,

529
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Speaker 1: and the walkability and all the rest. I mean, it

530
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: was just like this place is your crane was blowing off?

531
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Speaker 1: It was. And so I then, you know, loved that experience,

532
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I want to go back there,

533
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Speaker 1: and the best way for me to get connected there

534
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: is to go to graduate school there and and make

535
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Speaker 1: some introductions and you know, advance my educations that I

536
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: have a better chance of getting, you know, the job

537
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Speaker 1: that I sort of want.

538
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Speaker 2: My guess is you did that in shorter time than normal.

539
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: I did it any year a year you got your

540
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Speaker 1: Master's of the year.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And was that also plotted out in fifteen

542
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Speaker 2: minute increment?

543
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Speaker 1: Even more so because when I when I moved to

544
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Speaker 1: d C, I lived so far away from campus and

545
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: again public public transportation was too expensive. Yeah, and I

546
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: lived in a very I mean people were like you

547
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: live where, like in a pretty precarious neighborhood. My room

548
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: was a closet that I was paying six hundred bucks

549
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: a month for, Like, it had a single bed. There

550
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: was literally you could barely walk by that single bed.

551
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: It was tiny, and I had to take the you

552
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: guys know DC, So anybody listening. I had to take

553
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: the Green Line to Chinatown, get on the Red line,

554
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: go all the way up to Tenley Town, then get

555
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: on a bus that's an hour. It's an hour, and

556
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: I had to take my workout clothes with me. I

557
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: worked at Ruby Tuesday. And I'm sure you'll agree with this,

558
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: Like being a server or bartender is one of the

559
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: things that I'm so grateful for. It trained me how

560
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: to how to read people, how to work on my memory,

561
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: my multitask, multitasking.

562
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: If you're going to get a tip, you better learn

563
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: how to multi time. Yeah, and just and you got

564
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: to smile it. People don't want to smile it, which

565
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: is also a very good learn Yeah.

566
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Speaker 1: I am so so grateful for that experience.

567
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: I mean I smile at Alex all the time. I

568
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: don't always want to smile at Olex because you know,

569
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: producer people will tell you what to do, drive you

570
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: absolutely insane, But I can just smile.

571
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: You think we can get Alex to get me another

572
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: cup of coffee?

573
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

574
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I think we would. You mind getting a couple of

575
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: Alex there's some split. I would go get it, but

576
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: I feel like you're going.

577
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: To make me take myney this. This is you being

578
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: a production assistant.

579
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: There's Flenda right in the left. I feel like he's

580
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: not going to buy this slender.

581
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, just get the splendor here. Yeah yeah, act we

582
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: have taken a brief coffee intermission. We got it, got

583
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: it all right, So well done, thank you. I'm telling you,

584
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: like I said, I get the delivery system, but getting

585
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: there is a miserable experience. I mean, let's get the

586
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: most bitter, shitty tasting beverage on the face of the

587
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: planet and addict the country to it so that we

588
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: can get our caffeine. I don't get it, but.

589
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, Alex and I can connect on that.

590
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's good. Are you still running?

591
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay. I was working out every day like

592
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: obsessive como.

593
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Working out and running.

594
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: Yes, totally, I was.

595
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: To me, those are two yes.

596
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: I was running. I was running you wather it's out.

597
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: But as you see, I don't run.

598
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. All different runners have all kinds

599
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: of different bodies, but this big assay run. Okay, okay,

600
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: you just make all your football players run. Okay, do

601
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: as I say, not as I do, And so yes,

602
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: running but working out whatever, and so I take I

603
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: have to I took two bags, my books, my workout clothes,

604
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: my regular clothes, and then my work clothes. And so

605
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: you have to plan out your day. I couldn't leave

606
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: the house without thinking, what it's six in the morning

607
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 1: behind your pet mule too, what do I need tell

608
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night?

609
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Right, you know?

610
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: And I remember the day's bill when my roommate who

611
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: worked at American University was going at the same time,

612
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, can I get a ride?

613
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: Like getting a ride to school was like the best,

614
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have to carry all this stuff. It

615
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: just took twenty minutes, you know, it was it was

616
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: like a great day when I got to ride to school.

617
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: All right. So it was planned out, you made it.

618
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: And in a year and you're still tracking to the

619
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Speaker 2: handsome husband, the White House, the two point two kids,

620
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Speaker 2: and I think I'm leaving something else out on the plan.

621
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I am all right. And so

622
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm working in DC as a policy analyst, which I

623
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: hate my job.

624
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Speaker 2: I was just about to say policy analyst, And you

625
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: don't seem to.

626
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: Go copyright law and I'm just like, but it sounded important.

627
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody who can do that.

628
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: It was boring.

629
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Speaker 2: So a second, I bet Alex could do it.

630
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but I because I hated my job and

631
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: I really didn't like my boss at the time. She

632
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: was so degrading and just not empowering to me. And

633
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I learned a lot of how not to lead by

634
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: being managed by her. But she ah blessing, yeah exactly,

635
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: and I and again, you always going to be like

636
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: reflective and like okay, like that was actually a good

637
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: experience for me. I taught myself how to build websites,

638
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: how to design websites because I had extra time at work.

639
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: Oh, you were working, okay.

640
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: So then I got a job offer in Philadelphia.

641
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: How many minutes did you allow yourself a day to

642
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: do that at that time?

643
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I use every amount of extra

644
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: effort there because I want it. I'm like, this is

645
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: a good skill. But it was a good skill for

646
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: me to learn. Oh I get it, yeah sure, yeah,

647
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: And so I thought this is going to be helpful.

648
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: And then I got a job offer in Philadelphia, and

649
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Philly, Like I never wanted to live

650
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: in Philly. Like, never fantasized about Philly, but it was

651
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: a director level position in a political watchdog organization.

652
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: In your twenties.

653
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: Twenty six.

654
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: It's a great opportunity.

655
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: Actually, twenty four, I'm sorry, twenty four. That's a hell

656
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: of an oportunity.

657
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course. And it was a twenty thousand

658
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: dollars in school two years early, so you're right, you're

659
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: on a head start.

660
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, twenty thousand dollars increase, cheaper place to live,

661
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, than DC. And I was like, you know what,

662
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to go. I'm going to do this.

663
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: DC is different, it's insular, it's got all this stuff

664
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: going on the politics of it. But Philly, I mean

665
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: from a girl from Bismarck looking for the white columned

666
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: house and two point two kids, Philly's got to be

667
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: When you first got to Philly, what was you had

668
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: to have been? Hmm, this is this is much different.

669
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: It was much different. And the biggest difference in Philly

670
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: to d C for me was people in Philly asked me,

671
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, where'd you go to high school? Assuming I

672
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: was from there, And in DC people always said where

673
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: are you from?

674
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: Nobody in d C's from DC right.

675
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: So I sort of felt like an outcast and an

676
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: outsider from the beginning. And this was, you know, this

677
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: was where I feel like my life really changed because

678
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: the dreams started to change and I started to question

679
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: all the things that I thought that I wanted and

680
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: it was really lonely time in my life. I felt like,

681
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: again I didn't fit in. I didn't want to go

682
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: out and party. I didn't want to do all the

683
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: things that it seemed like other people wanted to do.

684
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know if I actually want

685
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: to get married or this white house or these things,

686
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Like why do I want all this stuff? Is that

687
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: what I've just been told myself? And I'm so committed

688
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: to reaching this goal, But do I actually really want it?

689
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: And out of curiosity, did the did the obsessions? Did

690
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: the believe me? And all that surface again?

691
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it was. This is when it was the

692
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: worst for me, the worst. That's every I.

693
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: Mean, the isolation, the loneliness, and also the questioning. I mean,

694
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 2: we're now going back to your twelve years old. I

695
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: mean at twenty year five, whatever years old from twelve,

696
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: you are now questioning your entire life.

697
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: Bill I went into credit card debt, buying food and

698
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: throwing it up like that's how bad and consistent it was.

699
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: And every day I would wake up and I'd be like,

700
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: I look in the mirror and I'd be like, what

701
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: the f are you doing? This is so ridiculous. I

702
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: cannot believe this is your life, Like are you like

703
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: you're going to stop today's you're stopping today? And I

704
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: would make it through that day, and then the next

705
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: day I would find myself going to Walgreens buying ice

706
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: cream and candy, going home that night eating that as

707
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: much as I could, so I felt sick, and then

708
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: I throw it up like this isn't like again, as

709
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: I've gotten comfortable talking about this, it's such again the

710
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: psychology behind that, And oddly it felt productive. It's like

711
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm working on this, We'll be right back. And so

712
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: much of my time and energy and thoughts went into

713
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: fixing this problem that I had that if I thought,

714
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: if I ever fixed it, where does my time and

715
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: energy go? And I didn't know, so I just sort

716
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: of let the problem stick around because I felt like

717
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: I was working on it.

718
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Your whole story is going to resonate to so many

719
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: of our listeners, because the truth is, the pain behind

720
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: the Norman Rockwell painting is much more common than culture

721
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: cares to admit. And we're in an army of normal folk.

722
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: And there's nothing more normal in our society, in my opinion,

723
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: than having this picture of this perfect family and everything

724
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: and everything going well, and then wanting to then build

725
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: your perfect family, and then behind the drape of that

726
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: lie is all the true sadness and dysfunction that's going

727
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: on in our lives and our families. And you're just

728
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: so normal. I mean, your issues may be different than

729
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: another person's issues from another person's issues, but the fact

730
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: is we all have dreams, we all have issues, and

731
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: just a normal, a normal person. But at this point

732
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: you're kind of a I want to say, a kid,

733
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: I mean twenty five, but you're you're a young adult

734
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: alone in Philly, kind of questioning everything you ever thought

735
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: you wanted in life and that I worked.

736
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: So hard to try to get. I mean, I again,

737
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: I liked my college experience. It was like I don't

738
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: need this, I don't need this, This isn't go I

739
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: gotta through this to get to where I want to go,

740
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't really enjoy or be present

741
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: in those moments. It was just like a pit stop

742
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: for me.

743
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: I think it's just ironic that you're going to find

744
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: your liberty in the place where liberty was started. So

745
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: you must need at this point to do the one

746
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: thing that's always therapeutic for you.

747
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Oh I'm running every day five You're running five point

748
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: thirty every single Are you running?

749
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: And believe it?

750
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: Just like curiosity?

751
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: How the world are you puking and then going and running?

752
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean that night ran in the morning? Oh perfect,

753
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, And you know, I'm sure it wasn't great

754
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: for me, but I didn't miss a run five thirty

755
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: in the morning. I didn't care what time of year,

756
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: if it was raining, if it was in the weekends,

757
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: I might have ran a little bit later, But five

758
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: point thirty there was a pretty consistent six six and

759
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: a half mile loop that I did.

760
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: I got to believe at this point, our listeners are

761
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: wondering where is this leading to? And we're going to

762
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: get to the payoff to all of it. But it's

763
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: so important that people understand how addiction has surrounded you

764
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: and how loss and everything is surrounded you to even

765
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: understand the amazing thing you did in Philly. But right

766
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: now you're running, and so take our listeners on the

767
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: run through Philly and what you see when you run

768
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: and what you pass and what happened.

769
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: So I live in an up and coming area in Philly,

770
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: and I thought it was super cool. I had like

771
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: a warehouse apartment, the concrete floors, like it was super cool.

772
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: But it was cool, yeah, but it was. It was

773
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: most people maybe want to live there. I don't know

774
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: why I felt comfortable safe. I just thought it was cool.

775
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying because it was up and coming. The

776
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: actual neighborhood wasn't like the safest thing.

777
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: No, it was underdeveloped for sure. This was kind of

778
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: one of the first you know, there wasn't a lot

779
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: of units in this place. It was probably like twelve

780
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: to fifteen units, but it was again an old warehouse,

781
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: and there were homeless shelters like literally all around. Like

782
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it at the time, but there was

783
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: like six homeless shelters within a half mile of this apartment.

784
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: And I had ran every morning I was running by.

785
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean I had to walk by this homeless shelter

786
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: and my running route took me by it. So when

787
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: I say I had passed this thing thousands of times

788
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: on my way to work and on my runs over

789
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: two years, it was thousands of times. And I just

790
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: didn't really think twice about the people that I was

791
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: sort of seeing, and I honestly ran on the other

792
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: side of the street because of that. Like these guys,

793
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: So the paint.

794
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: A picture for me, it's a homeless shelter, But of

795
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: course during the day there's homeless people. They're not much

796
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: to do, and they're just hanging around outside side chilling.

797
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: Just chilling. Yep. And it wasn't even a quarter mile

798
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: from my house. I'd go out, I'd take a left.

799
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: This homeless shelter was positioned on the corner of twelfth

800
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: and Vine. For anybody who knows Philly, Vine is a

801
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: very busy street, lots of cars. Okay, So there's a

802
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: stop light there and in the morning, this one morning

803
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: in May, I'm running and I see these guys and

804
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: like they wave at me, and I went back at them.

805
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: If you wave, yeah, yeah. If I'm from North Dakota,

806
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm good. Why I don't know. I mean, I've walked

807
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: I never I never have engaged with them before years,

808
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: but they they they waved, you know, kind of was

809
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: good trying to get my attention, and I waved back.

810
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: And then the next couple of weeks that kind of

811
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: interaction continued to happen, and then there was some vocal

812
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: sort of back and forth and you know, kind of

813
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: built this this friendly but at a distance relationship. You know,

814
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: those guys yelling at me good morning. And I think

815
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier, but there was this cute little

816
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: interaction where they would be like, do you just run

817
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: all day? And I'd be like, you just stand there

818
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: all day? And like it was it was just so

819
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: like reminded.

820
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: Me of what was the reaction?

821
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: They laughed to do it, of course, of course, yeah,

822
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: And it just reminded me of my dad. My dad

823
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: is really playful and starcas is our love language. So

824
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: so so yeah. And then you know, that stop light

825
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: turned red one day and I was sitting waiting for

826
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: the light to turn.

827
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: Are you one of those people that jogged in place?

828
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I think sometimes not. Maybe, I don't know if I'm

829
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: want of those people, because sometimes yes, sometimes no, but

830
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: I I it was like a light bulb and It

831
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: was so clear right from the from the first thought

832
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: of oh my god, Ann, why don't you start a

833
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: running club for that homeless shelter?

834
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: And I'm like it literally just said, you just thought

835
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: it right there, just.

836
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: No other time before there was the WHI which is which.

837
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: Is absolutely homeless people don't run, of course exactly.

838
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: But to me, I saw my dad and these guys

839
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: I knew how run.

840
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: Well, they might run from the police.

841
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Well that's you know, that joke has been said.

842
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: Well, I mean honestly, you.

843
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean this is why and we'll get

844
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: to that, but this is why this idea the city

845
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: of Philly and then the nation became fascinated with it

846
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: because it breaks your brain. You're like, what do you

847
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: mean people who are homeless are going out running in

848
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: the morning. It doesn't equate because people who are runners

849
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: are disciplined, focused, overachievers type A. You know, the homeless exactly.

850
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: And when you describe, tell me what you think when

851
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: I say the word homeless, you say lost, lazy, drunk,

852
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: attict all of these negative connotations, so they don't fit.

853
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: It breaks people's brains when they think about the idea

854
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: of somebody who's homeless.

855
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: It is running and you're twenty six. So you're twenty six. Yeah,

856
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture this. I don't know if you're

857
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: standing there or jogging in place, because you won't tell

858
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: me what kind of person you are. And the idea

859
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: comes to you, these people who have been waving it

860
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 2: and having a little banter with I'm going to start

861
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 2: a running club with these people, which is absolutely absurd,

862
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: but because you're twenty six, yeah, maybe it's not.

863
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: And not naivete and you know serves you when you're young,

864
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: because you do not know that, you do not let

865
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: the cynicism of the world. It hadn't made a twain

866
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: in my bloodstream yet.

867
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: So you go home.

868
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: I go could work, and I find the name of

869
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: the shelter online and I email the director. I tell

870
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: him who I am. I tell him I run by

871
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: that shelter every day and that I like to start

872
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: a running.

873
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: And at this point you're just and the kid with

874
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: a job in Philly. Yeah, who's fighting bulimia.

875
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no one knows that, of course not.

876
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: But it's important that people understand even when you're reaching

877
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: out to do some good, you're still struggling with your

878
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: own d Yeah, so you didn't say, hey, I'm and

879
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: the beliemic person wanting to start a running club. I

880
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: get that. You just said I'm in and you said

881
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: I want to go running, And I got to imagine

882
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: that the person at the homeless shelter said you're out

883
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: of your mind.

884
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: He did, and and he's and he didn't respond to

885
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: me right away, and I kept emailing. I have this

886
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: special gift of being persistent but not annoying.

887
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: It's like right in the middle, persistent but not annoying.

888
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's funny. Yeah, and it's it's a real

889
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: art form. And I don't know really where I came from,

890
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: but so anyway.

891
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: So I'm from its sales.

892
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I keep I keep reaching, you know, I

893
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: reach out, and finally he responds and says, you know,

894
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: just that of like, I'm not really sure this is

895
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: a priority, you know, for these guys whatever, And I'm.

896
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 2: Not sure this is a pro that's kind of like

897
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: a politically correct, nice way of saying.

898
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: Homeless people don't run. Yeah, almost, like what are you

899
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: talking about? And I convinced this gentleman to meet with me,

900
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just want to I just want

901
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: to tell you why running has been so important to

902
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: me and why I think this could be helpful. So

903
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: him and his wife agree to meet with me for coffee,

904
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and I talk about my dad, and I just say

905
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: running helped me get through my dad's addiction, and I

906
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: think it can really help with self esteem, confidence, all

907
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: of these things. And on top of this, an important

908
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: piece to remember is this homeless shelter. These guys were

909
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: not supposed to have any interaction with women. It was

910
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: like they are in this shelter in recovery. They're there

911
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: for a program. There's different programs around watch.

912
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

913
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: No no alcohol, no women.

914
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: No alcohol, but interaction with.

915
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: Nothing because it's it was it's just a very religious shelter.

916
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: And it was sort of viewed as again, you need

917
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: to take all of that temptation, you need to get

918
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: yourself right. I see, yeah, yeah, And there was no

919
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: women in the shelter anything. And so you know the

920
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: fact that mister McMillan was his name, and and I said,

921
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: if you could just ask them, if you ask them,

922
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to create any more work. I'll take

923
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: care of everything. I'll show up three days a week.

924
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: I'll get shoes, I'll handle everything. And he pretty much

925
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: told me not to get my hopes up. You know,

926
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: He's like and you know, and so he thought about

927
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: it and then said, okay, and I will I will

928
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: ask them, but I'm not going to tell them there

929
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: was some young blonde girl who wants to go running

930
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: with them, Like that was not going to be part

931
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: of the pitch.

932
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then they may show up just because they

933
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: want to be around, right.

934
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: And so Bill, I get an email, you know, end

935
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: of June, saying I got nine guys who'd like to run.

936
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think about this story sometimes of

937
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: how many things had to come into place. Mister McMillan

938
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: had to respond to my email. Mister McMillan had to

939
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: meet me in person. He had to he had to,

940
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, disobey his rules of his shelter, of his

941
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: program that he oversaw to like let me come in there.

942
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: Those nine guys had to say yes, like all of

943
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: these things. And I'm like, okay, great, Like I'm going

944
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: to get shoes I need. I need their shoe sizes.

945
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: I need their sizes. And I went to a local

946
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: running store and I got all the shoes donated and

947
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: I went up to the shelter June, I don't remember

948
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: the exact date, it might have been July first or

949
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: second even, and to meet all the guys and like

950
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: tell them I'm the one behind the running club, and

951
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: I bring all the shoes with them. Some of them

952
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: are bitching about the color of the shoes and whatever,

953
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: bitching about you. You got this in the blue.

954
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's important that you know the premise that

955
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: it's going to take an army of normal folks to

956
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: help and change our culture, one society, one small world

957
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 2: at a time. I absolutely believe that. But the notion

958
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: that that's easy is almost dangerous. And it's funny to

959
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: hear you talk. Not funny, it's it's telling to you

960
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: talk about the little obstacles you had overcome, the basic

961
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: naivete it took just to even try to start it.

962
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: And then before you even get gone, somebody's bitching about

963
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: the colors of a free pair of shoes you were

964
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: giving someone who has nothing, but they're going to bitch

965
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: about that, And you know what, that's just part of

966
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: the deal.

967
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: It's just part of it. And you know it made

968
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: me laugh a little bit. I was just like, no,

969
00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't got it in a blue and if you

970
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: make another comment like you're not going to get those ones.

971
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to get what's your what's your least

972
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: favorite cover? And that's what that's.

973
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Where it is, right. And so before we that night,

974
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: I made these guys sign a contract and it was Sunday. Yeah.

975
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: The name of the shelter was called the Sunday Breakfast

976
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: Rescue Mission, So it was the Sunday Breakfast Rescue Mission

977
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: Running Club. I changed the name immediately as soon as

978
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: I thought about on Sunday name. Yeah, it was Sunday

979
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: Breakfast Rescue Mission.

980
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sunday Breakfast Rescue Mission, unlub.

981
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: And then I was making my bed one morning and

982
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need a better name for this thing.

983
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: And then it was like, oh my god, back on

984
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: my feet, Like that's perfect. Back on my feet, Yeah, exactly,

985
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: there's where it came from. Yeah, And so immediately changed

986
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: the name. And then so the contract said that you

987
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: got to show up three days a week, every day Monday, Wednesday, Friday,

988
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: and we're taking attendance. You need to be on time,

989
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: and we're taking tardiness as well. We start at six am.

990
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: If you show up at six so two, like, we're gone, We'll.

991
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: Be right back. I had the same issue when I

992
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: started what I started, and my way of saying it

993
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: is the hands on a clock or reality. They're not

994
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: a suggestion, right. And it's amazing how many people who

995
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: are living in a state of dysfunction have a have

996
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: a poor relationship.

997
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: With the Yeah.

998
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love what you're saying. Is you're saying,

999
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 2: show up all times. We're getting the basic tenants down

1000
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: before even.

1001
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Go running totally. And also we're coming to you. It's

1002
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: we got to get up earlier because we're all meeting

1003
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: at the shelter or you guys all got to roll

1004
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: out of bed, put your clothes on and your shoes

1005
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: on and be downstairs. Don't don't disrespect the people who

1006
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: are showing up, you know, from a mile away or

1007
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: something like that. And then I said, you got to

1008
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: come with the positive attitude, and you've got to be

1009
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: willing to support your teammates and show them respect. And

1010
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: if you can't do those things, you shouldn't join the

1011
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: running club. And these guys looked at me as if

1012
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: no one had looked at them with the possibility of

1013
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: them achieving excellence at least in a really long time

1014
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: if ever. And you could just feel like the energy

1015
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: change in the room and the glimmer in their eyes.

1016
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: And everybody signed it, and it was like, Oh, I'm

1017
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: going to take this seriously, like I'm going to commit

1018
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: to something. They were just waiting to commit to something.

1019
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: And so I had a ton of media contacts and

1020
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: Billy from my work at this political watchdog organization, and

1021
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: I sent out an email because I wanted to get

1022
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: the media there so that I could get more people involved.

1023
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: And the reaction was the same, what do you mean,

1024
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: what do you mean these guys who are like the

1025
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: homeless guys are running like you mean you're having a

1026
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: run to raise money for the homeless. I mean, it

1027
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: was just like so absurd.

1028
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: We're just going for a run, right.

1029
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: And I'm like, we're starting this program and these guys

1030
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: are going to run. And I'm like every media station

1031
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: showed up that first morning because they had to see

1032
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: it with their own eyes, that like, and they had

1033
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: to understand why these guys were going running because there

1034
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: was no humanization or personalization to people who were homeless.

1035
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: They didn't know the names. They just knew the stereotype

1036
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: of the category of people. So when they got to

1037
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: be don't ask me for a dollar, right, they got

1038
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: to go over and talk to James and Darren and

1039
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: Mike and be like, why are you running? You know what?

1040
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: Why are you choosing to do this? And it's like,

1041
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: I want you know, I'm fifty five, I got to

1042
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: get healthy. I used to run in the army, like

1043
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: I used to run in high school. I wanted to

1044
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: meet new people. I thought, I thought this would be fun.

1045
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 2: Saw those are really the answers that anybody would get

1046
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: exactly joining and running exactly so.

1047
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: So through those articles, so the point.

1048
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: Is people were able to see the homeless people and

1049
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: the homeless shelter with some semblance of humanity that they

1050
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: hadn't yet been able to see them.

1051
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and you got to know their personalities and their

1052
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: stories as humans, as humans, and so when that happens,

1053
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, these guys are the They're the underdogs of

1054
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: all underdogs.

1055
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about a month ago, interviewed a

1056
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: guy named John Ponder and the podcast is fabulous and

1057
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: it's not because of me, it's because of John's story.

1058
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: And John was in prison for twenty six years, off

1059
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: and on. His first rap was twelve and his last

1060
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: rap was a string of bank robberies. And since then

1061
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: he's gotten out and he started an organization called Hope

1062
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 2: for Prisoners and their recitivision rate is only eight percent

1063
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: against eighty percent nation. Yeah, you can listen to that

1064
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: podcast you want to hear the story. It's amazing. But

1065
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: the point is he is a black former convict from Bronx.

1066
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: He is the quintessential guy that should hate cops, and

1067
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: cops are the reason his program actually works. And his

1068
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: thing is that the magic happens in his organization when

1069
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: you see the human being that's in the uniform, and

1070
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 2: you don't see the policeman as an institution. And I'm

1071
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: making that correlation to the homeless people. Is the magic

1072
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: happens when you see that homeless person, not as the

1073
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: institution of the American homeless population, yes, but just the

1074
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: individual that happens to be homeless.

1075
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: I have this conversation all the time, and yes, it's

1076
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: exactly right. Of understanding the psychology, the behavior, the person

1077
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: behind it, what happened to them, what their upbringing was,

1078
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: it's much easier for us to put people in buckets

1079
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: and make an assumption or a generalization about them and

1080
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: move on with our day, because that's where belief systems

1081
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: come in, and it's much harder to do the work

1082
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: of looking at the individual person.

1083
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: And So, got a fat reddit, A god plays tennis,

1084
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: You play tennis? Yeah, see ye, I'm in a fat

1085
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: reddit a god buck Yeah. But then to see me

1086
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: at a tennis court would shock you. Yeah, Alexis, Oh.

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Speaker 1: I got my butket it's a year old woman in pickleball.

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00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: But listen, it's a little dangerous because I'll go left

1089
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: and when I'm coming back right, some of me is

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00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: still left right range on. Yeah, but I'm just saying

1091
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: I get the bucket.

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00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: Right, yep. So we run that day, we go for

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00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: a mile. Some guys do well a mile a mile.

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00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're not talking about young people.

1095
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: All why, oh no, no, the youngest there. Gosh, she

1096
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: was the young the youngest guy. Oh, if I can

1097
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: remember correctly, early forties.

1098
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're talking forty to fifty year old homeless

1099
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: sixty whose grand total some total accumulation of exercise is

1100
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: probably walking around on the front porch of the homeless shelter.

1101
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: You take him.

1102
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: Running that, I bet they're gasping. But also just like

1103
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: it was a beautiful day, like I think, you know,

1104
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: all these things were just like working in my favor

1105
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: and I was fully aware of it. So the media

1106
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: again shows up in all of these stories. We run

1107
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: a mile and what was so beautiful that first day? Gosh,

1108
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: why am I blinking on this guy's name. It's not James,

1109
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: and I can see his face. I'm blinking on his name.

1110
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: It's taking him a while. He's overweight, Joe, Joe is

1111
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: his name. He's overweight, and the guys go back and

1112
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: get them. And it was just like these guys get it. Yeah,

1113
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: they go back and get them and they run run away.

1114
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: One day one they help them with his last like

1115
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: half mile, you know, surrounding totally and I was just

1116
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: like all right, like this and and that set the tone.

1117
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: And also the first day, you know, James, who was

1118
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: like our old head they called him because he was

1119
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: the older guy. I learned all these different terms. He

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00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: was like, can we pray? And I'm like sure, And

1121
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: we said the serenity prayer? Do you know this seranity prayer?

1122
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: Well, I will screw it.

1123
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Up.

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00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's grant me the wisdom to control something

1125
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: and not control the wisdom of the other. No, that's

1126
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: not it. Yeah, but I've heard it right. But tell

1127
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: it to me.

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00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: God, grant me the now you're gonna make me. No,

1129
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: now you mess up my Now you mess up on me.

1130
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: Now'm not to like. But God, grant me the serenity

1131
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to

1132
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: change the things that I can, and the wisdom to

1133
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: know the difference. And I don't care who your God is,

1134
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: if you believe in God or faith, but that right

1135
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: there is a piece of advice that everybody can benefit from.

1136
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Focus on the things that you can control, and the

1137
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: things that you can't you have to let go. And

1138
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: it was such a powerful statement for what we stood

1139
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: for as a group. Like your past, I can't do

1140
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: anything about that, but today, like you, got an opportunity

1141
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: to make a different decision. And starting in the morning,

1142
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: this is the first thing they're doing in the morning,

1143
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: and they're going to do something that's going to be challenging,

1144
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: that's going to make them feel good and get there again.

1145
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: Dopamine and serotonin levels sort of pumping it was the

1146
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: best thing that they could do to start their day

1147
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: and be around positive people and a community building. So

1148
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: the media starts to write these stories and personalize this

1149
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: group of runners.

1150
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: Bill. The irony of the serenity prayer and how you

1151
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: just described it before we get to the media, and

1152
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: how this thing grew is that the homeless folks who

1153
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: decided to run ask to pray and say entity prayer that, honestly,

1154
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: with the things you're fighting in your life at that time,

1155
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: were things.

1156
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 1: You needed to hear too, totally asking.

1157
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: And it interesting how those of us who go out

1158
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: in the community and do things, the payoff is you

1159
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 2: get probably ten times more than you can well.

1160
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's like that's why I wouldn't have articulate

1161
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: at the time. But when I went up to that

1162
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: homeless shelter that night and met these guys, I felt

1163
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: like I found my people. I felt so I always

1164
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: felt comfortable out at bars or in those places, and

1165
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I felt so at home around those

1166
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: guys because of my dad.

1167
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: And they were just microcosms of your friend.

1168
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: They totally weren't And again I kind of felt like

1169
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: I got a second chance of healing myself, and this

1170
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: was so different. I'm like, I'm not going to run

1171
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: these miles for these guys. They got to do it

1172
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: on their own. So I'm giving them the opportunity, but

1173
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saving them. They got to do the work,

1174
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: and they got to want.

1175
00:56:54,239 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: To do the work, y'all. And starting this work in

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1181
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 2: of our conversation with Anne, and I hope you'll listen

1182
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,080
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