WEBVTT - TOM's Talks | Quinn Buckner 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers podcast network 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.680 search seventy Sixers podcast wherever you get your pods. This 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.800 week's edition of Tom's Talks takes us outside the Sixers circle. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.599 The first game of the restarts against the Indiana Pacers. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.520 The long time TV analyst of the Pacers is Quinn Buckner. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.360 He gives us inside into that matchup and has high 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.400 praise for the seventy Sixers. Also, Quinn Buckner has a 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.960 basketball resume that few can match. A winner at every level. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.360 He won the state championship in high school in Illinois, 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.720 the NCUBAA championship at Indiana, and Olympic gold medal with 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.920 the US team in seventy six and an NBA championship 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.960 with Boston in nineteen eighty four. He talks about those teams, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.560 plus he touches on Bobby Night, Red Hourback, Michael Jordan, 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:58.920 and Moore on this week's Tom's Talks podcast. Welcome to 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.400 another edition at Mom's Talks, and we're joined by Quinn Buckner, 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.720 one of the winningest basketball players in the history of 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.520 our sport, and he joins us. I'm assuming from Indiana, Quinn, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.080 where he's getting ready to call the patient's games in 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.280 the NBA restart and one thank you for joining us. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.080 How is life in Indiana, Well, Thomas, it's it's like 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.080 a lot of other places. I think our state has 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.039 done a pretty good job trying to manage COVID, and 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.280 you have the social unrest and that's that's tapering on. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:32.319 But COVID is managed your bowl and I use that 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.920 word in quotes, but we're all in all, I'm on 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:36.800 the right side of the grass and all the important 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:39.440 things are fine. Thank you. So you're getting ready to 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.720 call these games? I know Fox Sports Indiana has announced 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.319 that they are going to call all the games. Production means, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:47.720 what do you think that's going to be like for 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.600 you and Chris to call the game not at the 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.600 site but back there in Indiana when the games are 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:58.400 being played in Orlando. Well, we remotely did this when 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.120 the patients played SA Cremental in India. And I've been 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.960 blessed enough, and I know you have two time to 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.840 be in this business long enough that periodically you do that. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.000 I've done world feeds and be on a site other 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.239 than where the event has occurred. This will be a 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.400 little different, only because I think there's got to be 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.440 some social distancing in terms of what you normally see 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.040 on a broadcast because normally played by playing analysts are 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.400 seated together. That's probably not going to be the case 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.480 at least six feet apart. But as a rule, this 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.960 is something we've done before. We will make it interesting though, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.079 is the fact that you don't have fans because one 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.880 of the things that I think when you do games remote, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.800 you're able to get some audio feed that gives you 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.400 a sense of the arena and it allows you to 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.880 generate a certain amount of energy or really just receive 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.919 a certain amount of energy. Here. I think this is 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.000 going to be much like studio where you're at a 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.079 game and that has all the energy comes back to 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.560 the studio and you have to generate your own energy 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.440 in order to have the fans feel engaged that with 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.880 you because you're not on site. So that will make 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.400 it interesting. But for me, it's just fun and I'll 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.720 be another challenge, and I actually kind of like the 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.760 idea of doing it. Really. One of the reasons we're 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:16.920 having you on it's the Sixes and Pacers are going 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.359 to play the first official game for it's both these 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.880 teams in the restart and of course they're tied in 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:25.560 the Eastern Conference right now in fifth in sixth place. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.440 The Pacers at the edge of the key game one 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.400 series Invis, what do you think about that's the first game, 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.680 and of course for you guys, the status of both 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.720 Broaddain as we speak in all the depot is key. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.680 But the Pacers going forward as we get we started 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.200 and playing the Sixers in the first game, well, I 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.800 think it's going to be difficult for everybody. And this 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:51.000 is just my perception of this. You've got young men 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.880 that have to unpack a whole lot given life in 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.160 the last four or five months. And what this is 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.880 coming down to is it's this is a cliche as 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.400 it can get its mental toughness. Who can really find 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.960 a way to resharpen if you will that tool and 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.960 the tool being the mental tool. You got two weeks 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.800 to work on your physical skills. I think that will 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.480 help and hopefully keep guys from being injured. But I 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.760 still think that this has as much as a mental aspect. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.400 Now you lose depending on what happens with Victor and Malcolm. 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:24.960 Those are two of your top line players and you 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.120 there's some uncertainty, I say for sure. About Victor, I 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.320 don't know about Malcolm. Malcolm is back and I know 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.120 he's he's back working out, and Victor has been working out. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.680 So the question is whether or not they have been 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.479 able to do this on a consistent basis. But look 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.720 planned the Sixers, you know, do you see it all 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:45.280 the time? They're no joke, I mean, really talented team. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.440 You've added, you know, Shakee Milton has been one of those. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:50.359 I think one of the real surprises in the leagues, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.240 one of the shocks in the league. You're looking to 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.080 add some perimeter shooting with him at forty five percent 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.320 from a three line, so you're now doing that and 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.120 Ben Simmons at four wh so you you But in 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.320 the meantime, you're probably going to have more ball handlers 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:07.560 on the floor, so you become a different team to 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.640 play against. And that's what's interesting that the Pacers have 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.239 to be prepared to play a team in the first 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.680 game that's very different than the pacer of the six 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.400 Ers team that they've played before, and so I think 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.960 it'll be a task, but it still depends on who 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.440 is better prepared. I think much more from a mental 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:29.080 standpoint than a physical standpoint. One of the players that's 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.919 been a bench contributor for the Pacers his former sixer team, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.400 Gay McConnell. What have you seen and what if you 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.960 like fromcconnell in his one year and in the end, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.520 the same thing all all the Philly loves. You gotta 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.800 love a guy who brings it. I mean, he matches 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.640 his he matches what he can do from a pure 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.279 basketball standpoint and from a physical standpoint. But he's a 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.760 great I think he does a great job helping the 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.520 team on the floor aggregate or get to come together 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.480 because he's a guy that finds open people. He's got 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.479 some Tenna City about it. He's gotten real toughness about it, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.160 high level understanding, and a really good teammate. And you know, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.120 I like him because he reminds me a lot of 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.560 the things that I've seen other players who have limited 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.320 skills do but do it. He's not as big as everybody, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.120 and he doesn't care about that. He knows what he 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.680 can do. He's confident in it, and his teammates a 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.320 confident that he'll come in and make a contribution. He's 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.640 been a great addition with the second unit, and particularly 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.080 when he and Si Bonus are in there together. The 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.080 second unit for the Pacers' is very effective because TJ 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.800 knows who needs what, when and where, how to get 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.520 it in and out of places, and a lot of again, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.120 a lot of the great things you saw when he 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.279 was a Sixer he brought to the Pacers because of 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.560 the second unit. McDermott was talking that the Pacers as 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.200 a whole are you got some players that were already 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.400 treated or had to come there in the case of 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.520 Brocken as a free agent, but Si Bonus and then 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.440 the guy and the other TJ that not a lot 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.080 of people talk about is TJ Warren and he had 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.039 like a twenty eight thirty point game. Again to sixers, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.560 it's a group that has, I think something to prove. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.520 And speaking of Indiana, well, I think that's what Kevin Pritchett, 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:11.160 the president of Basketball, is really gotten. You get guys 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.960 that are underappreciated, if you will, and I think that's 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.400 what that situation is. And when you have guys like 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.840 that who come in and people don't necessarily give them 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.360 maybe the kind of respect that they feel like they do, 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.000 they know they have to continue to earn it. And 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.080 one of the things that I've always thought about. Our 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.680 league is a team that can play the hardest and 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.280 the longest or and ors, if you will stay motivated, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.200 has the best chance to win. So you get a 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.600 number of guys like that, and you're right. T J. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.960 Warrens has been a welcome surprise. And I say welcome, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.760 but not because of his offense. T J. Warren is 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.680 a good defensive player, and I don't think anybody thought that. 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.440 So he's now combining that which he stretched the three 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.760 ball out, and now he's doing that with consistency. He's 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.280 become a tough player to guard on offense, but he's 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.880 a tough player to play against when he's playing defensively. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.280 So there's some really good things with him coming over 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.560 to the team as well. All right, let's turn to 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:11.320 Quinn Buckner, as I said, a champion multiple times at 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.960 both high school, college, the Olympics, the NBA, and we'll 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.280 get into the NBA. You were with the eighty four 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.800 Celtics team that won the championship. But it all started 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.320 for you, not even in Indiana, but at Dalton Thorndridge 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.520 High School and for our Philadelphia fans, that's right in 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.320 the neighborhood where Donovan McNabb grew up, and two a 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:36.080 state champion in like nineteen seventy four. You want to right, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.560 wasn't that two times in a round. Yeah, I'm my 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.680 high school team, and I'm proud of all of my teams. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.200 My high school teams were really good. We wanted. We 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.360 only lost one game between my junior senior year in 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.800 high school, and we won the state championship both times 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.040 undefeated my senior year and had really good players on 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.280 guys that are just you know, a lot like teams 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.960 that I've been blessed enough to play on. They just 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.839 played it and they play for each other. And this 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.199 outside of Chicago, so we have to play some schools 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.959 in Chicago and still was able to withstand that, and 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.040 being from Philly, you know how it is when you've 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.960 got the suburban schools, people don't quite have the same 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.360 appreciation for your game. And being able to be some 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.760 of the Chicago schools periodically, I enjoyed that as much 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:23.800 as anything else. So that championship was in March of 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.160 nineteen seventy four, and like Indiana, in Illinois, it was 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.840 just a huge thing, like to go downstage and lead 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.480 aid and I've shared this with you before and I laughed, 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.240 But in this forum I happen. And so I was 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.960 in fifth grade and you were a senior at dolg 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.280 Thorndridge High School. At Recess, I would go out there, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.800 we would pick up and I had to be Quinn Buckler. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.240 But like I said, everybody wanted to be Quinn Buckner 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.400 those some days I had to be Boyd Back. That 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.040 brings your back a little bit. Uh yeah, boy Batts 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.240 was actually the best player on our team from a 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.920 pure skilled perspective. He was six six. A lot of 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.679 the things you could see with guys of that size, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.880 you see to Dave routine Lee. Six six guys can 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.880 handle the ball. He played center for us. He can 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.200 make shots, he could block shots. There wasn't anything he 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.520 couldn't do. He every now and then we'd have to 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.160 kind of jerk him back into you know, you're playing 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.079 with a team, you're not playing for yourself. So he 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.960 was a terrific player. And we had great roles who 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.240 was a great athlete and a terrific shooter. But I 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.480 look guard Mike Bondsick was really the key because he 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.240 was a kid who his father had been a coach, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.120 and because of that, he understood how to pull people together, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.080 could past the ball. He'd hit you in the head 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.839 with it if you weren't paying attention. So it brought 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.920 something there. But and then the other guy we had 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.960 was Ernie Done, and Ernie Done was by far the 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.439 intellectually the brightest guy that we had on the team, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.880 and he knew how to be a really good teammate 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.600 and had solid skills. Not great, had solid skills. I'm 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.079 a football player, honestly, that played basketball, and I was 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.160 a little bit of a man child, more so in 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.319 elementary school but in high school as well, because I 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.360 was on When I left elementary school, I was about 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.400 six feet in one hundred and eighty. I was big 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.800 then so and my dad had played sports, so I 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.640 had a mentality which I carried through my entire life 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.320 about I was never going to be the best athlete, 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.080 so I wasn't as I worked on my game, but 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.960 I worked. That's the shoulders down. My father helped me 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.439 understand shoulders up part of the game, and that's really 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.200 what I think enabled me to be able to play 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.800 with really good players and accept whether I could make 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.400 a contribution in one place or another. Right, So he 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.559 played in the defensive secondary in high school. And you 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.920 actually went to Indiana, as we know, and we're going 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.240 to get into with the basketball, but you've played from 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.040 the mistaken defensive back for two years under who's your 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.280 football team? Yeah, I played. I played football all four 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.840 years of high school, and you're right. I was a 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.640 defensive back and played I played a little all of 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.160 skill positions except quarterback. When I got to college, I 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.040 got ready to go to college. My father had gone 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.120 and my father, my father was a god Busses, so 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.840 it was ahead of me many many years. So I 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.719 go to Indiana. I had never seen coach and I 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.200 coach had no idea what I was getting into. But 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.760 I you know that era it is whomever is in charge, 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.000 you respect to do what they ask. My father put 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.520 me on a football scholarship and I asked him about 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.160 that and I said why. He said, because I didn't 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.640 necessarily want coach. He knew how coach coach. I didn't 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.840 want him to have that kind of control over you. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.280 And I thought that was an interesting observation. I asked 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.600 him that actually after I was done. But yeah, I 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.880 played two years of football. I started at free safety 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:37.199 and and now I can honestly, I had a gift. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.600 I'm just telling you I had a gift as six 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.360 to two hundred at that time, I'm running a four 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.000 or five forty as a free safety and so, and 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.839 I wasn't afraid of the game. And you can't be 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.679 afraid of football football. You gotta play, and you know, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.240 you gotta listen. You gotta be prepared to take somebody's 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.200 head off, because for sure they're doing that. So I 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.280 did that for two years and it was fun. But 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:03.600 my passion was basketball. My greatest gift was athletic ability football. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.640 My passion was basketball, and that's how I ended up 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.200 being a basketball player. And what a crew. I mean 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.320 the Indiana Hoosiers and again I shared on a Farm 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:16.400 Bureau Insurance television. I got to watch those games. And 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.480 what people forget. People may remember that Indiana won the 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.360 nine the national championship in Philadelphia at the Spectrum in 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:27.360 nineteen seventy six, But the previous year, you guys were 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.160 undefeated in the Big Ten. The last game Scott May 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.840 out of Sandeski, Ohio breaks his arm in that Purdue 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.880 game and end up losing to Kentucky. So you're right there. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.480 You're a championship caliber team and you get turned away 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.760 in part because Scott May got hurt, but then you 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.400 go undefeated the next year. That it reminds me of 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.600 the Spurs that one year they got right to the cusp, 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.559 but I think it was against the heat and they 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.760 came all the way back. I mean, to win the 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.520 regular season, you know, that good record, and didn't back 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.800 and win the championship, and that's what your team did. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.920 Let's feel the thing that you've hit on it. And 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.800 I think it's really important people just kind of take 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.040 this in context. What we were able to do in 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.560 seventy six was primarily because of what we didn't do 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.400 in seventy five, because you still have to have a 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.200 high level of drive and focus on your mission, obviously 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.640 to win the championship, and when you feel that you 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.840 have the best team in basketball the year before Scott 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.040 May breaks his arm. But I think people need to 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.840 understand when Scott healthy, he carried us a long way, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.440 and the next year that he was a Player of 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.240 the Year in the in college basketball. So you're talking 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.640 about a terrific player and he wasn't at full scale. 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:43.880 But even at that, you know how how small it 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.400 is a minuscule the chances are for things to go 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:49.560 exactly the way you want them to go. Therefore, you 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.440 have to make sure you put that extra effort. And 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.360 I'm a firm believer. First of all, seventy five team 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.280 was better just if Scott's healthy. But seventy six team 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.520 was driven by the fact that we didn't have the 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.880 success that I think some of us thought we should 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.520 have had in seventy five. So it kept us emotionally 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.640 at a higher pitch and allowed us to stay focused 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.200 on winning the championship, knowing if you don't make a play, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.200 I don't care when it is. It can be the 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.880 difference between you're not winning and losing the game, but 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.840 winning and losing the championship. But you're thinking that every 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.760 time you make a plot, a play has to be made. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.520 So that's what I really that's my feeling about that. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.960 But as much as anything, I'm equal. I'm probably going undefeated. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.480 I get it. But we went two years in Big 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.840 Ten Conference and didn't lose the game. That to me 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.680 is a bigger feat in its own right. When you 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.560 think about now, they call him big five conference. But 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.560 Big Ten has always had great athletics at the football 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.840 basketball level, and to do that to me, says, this 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.440 was a team that was was pretty good. Absolutely beat 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.520 Ricky Green in Michigan for the champion and like to 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.320 Cincinnati read of that era. I could name your entire 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.520 left out and Green Rots and Vincent Mayer. What was 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.320 it like playing for Body Night coach who was demanding. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.800 But I come from a father who was demanding. As 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.920 I said, my father was was an athlete. My father 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.720 was one of those people who think if you had 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.160 to tell you twice, you had a problem. So I 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.640 was that part. I dealt with what I didn't deal 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:25.080 with well, and particularly my sophomore year. I kind of 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.840 just got through it my freshman year because you're just 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.080 trying to acclaiment was I didn't didn't care for the 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.360 way the message was delivered. And at one point my 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.000 father and I had had a conversation and he even 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.040 suggested that I might consider leaving because I had a search. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.400 I don't remember what it was, but tom something happened 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.440 and I was trying to get it corrected and talked 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.240 to coach Night. He wouldn't talk to me. He walked 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.600 up the stairs and say, I don't have anything to 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.960 say to you, and he said it certain with some 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.200 extra words. My fathers. I talked to him about it, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.080 and we go through this whole conversation as you would 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.640 with your child, missais Son. You either make nitre's a question. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:08.159 Either listen to what he says and do that and 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.800 take out of consideration how he says it. You'll be 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.919 fine if you can't do that, and you mayn't want 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.359 to consider going somewhere else. And that really triggered for 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.000 me because what he was, what he said, and in 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.520 addition to what he said, he said because if it's 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.280 the right thing to do, do it. So if you 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.480 take it out of context in terms of how it's 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.680 delivered and take the message as the message, he was 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.560 right the majority of I mean, he was right. As 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.639 a rule. He's a he's a brilliant guy, so he 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.440 was right. So I had to get to that to 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.040 be able to not have any anxiety or whatever you 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.920 want to call it for playing for coach. But the 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.880 thing I knew for him he had done something. When 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.040 I was a freshman, Minnesota had the great team. Dave Winfield, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.480 who's the great player, Jim Brewer, Clyde Turner. They had 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.200 a heck of a team. They had the best team 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.560 in the conference, there's no doubt about it. And they 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.800 were going to play Northwestern near the end of the 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:04.040 season and we were right there, tied with them, something 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.320 right in there, and coach and I said, they're gonna 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.320 lose a Northwestern now nor offense to Northwestern, and all 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.240 of the journalists you and I know from Northwestern as 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.639 a basketball school, they weren't noted for that. And long behold, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.159 they went up there in Minnesota lost and that was 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.000 one of the other things that got my attention. So 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.440 from a buying perspective, you got buy in that. You 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.000 know he knows what he's talking about. So when he 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.560 starts sharing information and he keeps coming at you as 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.639 hard as he did. And my dad and I had 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.600 a discussion. I just took it, took the context. I 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.840 didn't take the way it came at me. And that's 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.040 how I was able to do what I was We 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.000 were able to do so just for today's Darken or Carland, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:50.159 somebody would say you didn't like his methodology. No, I 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.720 didn't like his methodology, but I love the guy. Because 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.520 the other thing I knew about him for sure time. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.040 There wasn't any question about And I think when you 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.119 manage people that way, I don't think you can do 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.439 it anymore. They have to know that you care about them, right, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.560 And that's part of leadership. If I know you care 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:05.920 about me and you're coming at me with that, I 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.399 can deal with it. It's like family. You know, family 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.359 comes at you sometime and you're like, look at them, 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.520 all right, Well it was That's what it was like. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.879 But the methodology, let's put it this way. That's not 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:19.920 my method We'll have more of my conversation with Quinn 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:24.800 Buckner after this. In this time of social distancing, Novacare 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.840 Rehabilitation is offering physical therapy from the comfort and safety 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:32.480 of your home. Through their new tell a Rehab program, 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.960 Novacare will virtually bring their services to you so you 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.280 may heal, build strength, and get back to the things 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.480 you love. Tell a Rehab let you easily connect with 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:47.560 one of Novacare's licensed therapists through web based technology that 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.880 is Hippo compliant. For more information, visit novacare dot com. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.639 Now back to my chat with Quinn Buckner. So, and 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.879 I don't want to discount this because then after that 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.560 you'd already played kind of international level. But that summer, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.320 you know, you end up getting drafted by Milwaukee seventh overall. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.480 But you play in the nineteen seventy six United States 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.200 Olympic gold medal gay team in Montreal, and like I said, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.560 to put it on USA in the winning goal. What 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.800 did that feel like? A little more about that, Well, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:22.920