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Speaker 2: Hello, Ben, Welcome to our recap episode of Grand Season.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of happy it's over. I felt nothing then.
Speaker 2: I've never felt so little during a season, during a finale,
Speaker 2: during a proposal. I want all your thoughts about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't disagree with you completely on the season itself.
Speaker 3: I don't want to completely poop poo the season. However,
Speaker 3: it's hard not to. There's a few things that maybe
Speaker 3: we'll talk about as we recap the finale that stood
Speaker 3: out to us this season, just some moments. I think
Speaker 3: you're in the majority. A lot of people on social
Speaker 3: media are talking about kind of how this season felt
Speaker 3: like it fell short at every angle except for the finale.
Speaker 3: It gave us a little entertainment. There were some highlight
Speaker 3: standout moments that, yes, maybe weren't the love story that
Speaker 3: we all celebrated him. We're celebrating the love story, But
Speaker 3: the moments that stand out from the finale are more
Speaker 3: of the confrontations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I felt something I felt proud of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. We'll talk about the finale here. It
Speaker 3: did feel like from our listeners and also from social
Speaker 3: media that people did enjoy the finale. If anything, they
Speaker 3: were glad they watched it. However, the consensus is, let's
Speaker 3: not do these what was this? Four hours long? Three
Speaker 3: hours long?
Speaker 2: Three hours long? We're so over the three hour long finale,
Speaker 2: especially when it's actually not as dramatic as they tease.
Speaker 2: A lot of the times it lives up to the
Speaker 2: te's this season, I don't think that like the whole
Speaker 2: what's he gonna do in the last thirty minutes before
Speaker 2: having to head to the car.
Speaker 3: He's gonna break up with somebody? Guess all that, guys.
Speaker 2: He didn't even show that much turmoil. He didn't even cry.
Speaker 3: I think, Ashley, we've talked about it before. It is
Speaker 3: one of one of our critiques that's been consistent for
Speaker 3: the last few seasons. They've got to be very careful
Speaker 3: teasing things and saying things to the audience, especially when
Speaker 3: it comes from the host that end up not being
Speaker 3: true because they lose the viewers trust. This is not
Speaker 3: a historic ending. This was nothing. If you break it
Speaker 3: down past all the stuff, it wasn't that different than
Speaker 3: any other season we've had when it comes to how
Speaker 3: a season ends. I think they have to be very
Speaker 3: careful when Jesse says this is the most historic ending
Speaker 3: or this is a historic moment in the franchise for
Speaker 3: it not being now, we just go, well, what was it?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 2: Well, what happened is he made a decision and he
Speaker 2: said thanks to Letia that did not allow with the
Speaker 2: decision that he made. That is something we'll get into
Speaker 2: a second. But I do want to talk about how
Speaker 2: they invited you to be part of this live three
Speaker 2: hour Finally. You were supposed to be on the panel.
Speaker 2: You were supposed to be in the place of either
Speaker 2: Gary Charity or Clayton because all of them basically said
Speaker 2: I love you to multiple people. You were apparently the
Speaker 2: og of this, that's what they wanted to do on
Speaker 2: the panel. You decided not to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not they asked, And I'm always thankful when
Speaker 3: the show asks for us to return. It's fun for
Speaker 3: us to return a lot of time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'll ever return again,
Speaker 2: though it makes me feel sad. I can't figure out
Speaker 2: a place where I would fit return. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot. It's fun
Speaker 3: to return. It's fun to see familiar faces. Is it's
Speaker 3: exciting to be in that environment. It'd been great to
Speaker 3: meet Grant in person, and you know, hopefully his choice
Speaker 3: that we'll get to in just a bit. But talking
Speaker 3: about saying I love you to two people, it just
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it's a part of my life anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's also a moment that I feel like, why
Speaker 3: am I going to talk about it if the show's
Speaker 3: never owned up to that it happens all the time,
Speaker 3: and they just showed it for my season and made
Speaker 3: it a big deal, and it was. It was a
Speaker 3: huge deal. It was accurate to my story. I'm not
Speaker 3: mad about the editing part of it, but the way
Speaker 3: the show just kind of threw me out there and said, Okay,
Speaker 3: now go deal with this. This is so weird and
Speaker 3: unexpected and they've never really like talked about it and
Speaker 3: since then when it happens every season now. But I'm
Speaker 3: not going to go on a panel and talk about
Speaker 3: how I fell in love with two people because I
Speaker 3: am married with a child. I am so happy with that.
Speaker 3: Lauren is married with a child, Jojo is married and thriving.
Speaker 3: Like nobody wants to see me revisit this moment and
Speaker 3: to see a clip played and to have me have
Speaker 3: to explain it. I don't even remember really why I
Speaker 3: said what I said.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, totally. Now do you believe I don't even
Speaker 2: believe that possibly Grant was in love with two people
Speaker 2: because the way that he hurt Letia. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's long. I mean, that's a big question. Actually are
Speaker 3: you asking me to answer that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because okay, this is a difference. Sorry
Speaker 2: to bring you into this, but.
Speaker 3: You can bring No. Here's the deal. You can bring
Speaker 3: me into it. You and I talk every week about
Speaker 3: the show and our experiences. You can bring me into it.
Speaker 3: I am not going to get a phone call for
Speaker 3: the first time in like years, and the phone call
Speaker 3: is like, hey, instead of like bringing you back to
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, your time on the show and
Speaker 3: what maybe you meant to the show and all the
Speaker 3: you know stuff that happens with the show, We're going
Speaker 3: to bring you back to talk about the one moment
Speaker 3: that was the most controversial for your season, and then
Speaker 3: just like send you away. It's gonna be a great
Speaker 3: five minute panel. You're gonna get out there. Everybody's going
Speaker 3: to be sick of seeing you again, and then you're
Speaker 3: gonna leave, and that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: People aren't sick of seeing you, Ben, they don't see
Speaker 2: you enough. They are sick of seeing Gary. There, I
Speaker 2: said it, that's fair. They're they're honestly probably sick of
Speaker 2: seeing Susan two. And Susan's gonna be on the new
Speaker 2: Hulu show and then Susan's probably also gonna be on
Speaker 2: a Bachelor in Paradise. Will around that in a second.
Speaker 2: Maybe people just love seeing them though maybe I'm wrong. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the difference between you and Grant is that, like
Speaker 2: you seemed like, oh shit, oh you have in love
Speaker 2: with two people? Oh god, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2: How am I gonna navigate this to you? How Like
Speaker 2: you were in a panic and you felt guilt and
Speaker 2: you felt so much heaviness, and he was kind of like,
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you. Oh okay, this.
Speaker 3: I pick you. I pick you.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't what I thought I was gonna
Speaker 2: do all season long, but I pick you, like it
Speaker 2: was weird. And then like you know, he went into
Speaker 2: a robot take mode when he dumbs Letia. He was
Speaker 2: in like, Okay, well I lied to her a lot,
Speaker 2: and now I'm going to press this button. I'm going
Speaker 2: to get through this breakup and then I'm going to
Speaker 2: continue with life.
Speaker 3: Is there a question there for me?
Speaker 2: I guess the question was like, don't you feel the difference?
Speaker 2: Didn't you feel the difference? Like? I really feel like
Speaker 2: he was just he did he was so detached.
Speaker 3: Okay, I can only yeah, I don't know Grant. I mean,
Speaker 3: we watched Grant's moment. Does it feel more detached? Yes,
Speaker 3: it does. It feels more detached than all these other
Speaker 3: panelists who you know, fell in love with Muscile. People
Speaker 3: are said they did, and I think two and I
Speaker 3: want to give credit to Lauren and Jojo here. I'm
Speaker 3: going to try with what I'm saying. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's gonna make sense. I think Grant's final two
Speaker 3: is great too. Well, don't know them that well because
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: This seems like I know Latia pretty darn well, Letia,
Speaker 2: you do.
Speaker 3: I do think that's fair. I will say this. I
Speaker 3: think most people watching the season of show that I
Speaker 3: was on as the lead, even if they didn't want
Speaker 3: to believe it, it made sense to them on how
Speaker 3: I got there. I think the season itself showed how
Speaker 3: we got to that moment where all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I was going, I don't know what to do, Like
Speaker 3: this is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think people thought it was outrageous that I said
Speaker 3: that to two people. I get that. I understand that.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at people for feeling that way, but
Speaker 3: I think deep down, when they thought about it, they're like,
Speaker 3: it makes sense because then Jojo became so celebrated as
Speaker 3: the Bachelor and people fell in love with her. People
Speaker 3: loved Lauren coming off the show, Like people were like,
Speaker 3: I get why these two people have this big of
Speaker 3: an impact and you have this kind of feelings for
Speaker 3: them in your life. I don't think we had that
Speaker 3: kind of journey with Grant to this point where we're like,
Speaker 3: I get how he got here, Like, yeah, these two
Speaker 3: women he definitely has a connection with. I think really
Speaker 3: we thought he has a connection with one of them
Speaker 3: and that was the one he didn't choose, and now
Speaker 3: we're surprised. So is it different?
Speaker 2: I would say yes, I think he had a connection
Speaker 2: with Juliana for sure. I know he had a connection
Speaker 2: with Juliana, but like, I think Latia was always shown
Speaker 2: as being his front runner, And that's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying. But yeah, let me be clear. My
Speaker 3: point was not that he doesn't have a connection with
Speaker 3: the woman that he's now engaged to. We're happy for them, like,
Speaker 3: we don't want to take that moment away from them.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying the show, the story of the show
Speaker 3: didn't show that connection like they showed Latia's, and so
Speaker 3: as a result, the viewers feel like we're playing catch
Speaker 3: up at the very end instead of almost seeing this
Speaker 3: story play out like like this season I was on
Speaker 3: where they're like, I don't know what he's gonna do
Speaker 3: because he's into both these people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost as if they created the storyline
Speaker 2: for TV so that there would be a twist at
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the That's a good better way to say
Speaker 3: it than me. It's like they almost created this twist
Speaker 3: so that we were surprised by who he chose and
Speaker 3: we're like, wait, that now doesn't make any sense right totally.
Speaker 2: But I will say that the way Letia handled herself
Speaker 2: with some like fun but yet some fun sass but
Speaker 2: also lots of intelligence at the end between the you know,
Speaker 2: the Ulter moment and then also when she confronts him
Speaker 2: on the couch, like she was the bachelorette that I
Speaker 2: feel like they've been searching for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the season that they're not going
Speaker 3: to have one, But it makes no sense to me
Speaker 3: because she is the bachelorette they've been wanting for for
Speaker 3: so long. This was her bachelorette moment, even though she knew,
Speaker 3: especially during the live show, that there is no bachelor happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And here's an interesting thing. The viewer response typically when
Speaker 3: somebody confronts another person on this show, or they get
Speaker 3: angry or they get sassy, the viewer response is usually
Speaker 3: mixed like oh, I'm so proud of them, or that
Speaker 3: was unnecessary. Everybody was on her team here, Like everybody
Speaker 3: was like, that was perfect, you did great. Let's go girl.
Speaker 3: Like also, her accent came out, which was amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we heard a voice that we had never heard
Speaker 2: of before, and I was here for it. You know
Speaker 2: how we've been complaining for a couple of seasons that
Speaker 2: we like felt like we didn't know the lead going
Speaker 2: into their season. Well, we know her and I feel
Speaker 2: attached to her.
Speaker 3: I want to see her win. And you know what's great,
Speaker 3: Ashley h I just I wish you were having a
Speaker 3: Bachelor at season so bad because I think it would
Speaker 3: bring a whole new life to the franchise. And it
Speaker 3: feels like such an easy win for the show just
Speaker 3: to be like, Okay, it's your story, now, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's like start next week and let's start filming like
Speaker 3: they usually do the because what we know about her
Speaker 3: right now is she is passionate, she smart, was ready,
Speaker 3: she knows what she wants, and she wants a family.
Speaker 3: Like one of the biggest conversations this episode was about
Speaker 3: how she's ready for kids. How cool is it for
Speaker 3: you know, two parents here to be watching a full
Speaker 3: season being like she's gonna get her love story, like
Speaker 3: she's gonna get her family. We're cheering for her to
Speaker 3: find that person that fills that role in her life
Speaker 3: and so that she can start this thing that she
Speaker 3: dreams of, as she said from her heart, she's desiring kids.
Speaker 3: I would be so all in on this. I would
Speaker 3: be her biggest fan. I am her biggest fan. It
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away and we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to you know, Grant Juliana here and what we hope
Speaker 3: for them, what we feel for them. But let's be honest.
Speaker 3: Latia is the star of this episode of the show,
Speaker 3: of this season. Yeah, and I am upset, and I
Speaker 3: hope this makes a headline. I am upset that she
Speaker 3: is not our bachelorette.
Speaker 2: Now, how much do we pay her to go to Paradise?
Speaker 3: None?
Speaker 2: Wait, what do you mean you don't want her in Paradise.
Speaker 3: I don't want to in Paradise.
Speaker 2: I think she's got to go to Paradise because we
Speaker 2: want to see that right and we find it in
Speaker 2: Paradise in front of our eyes. We want to see
Speaker 2: it one way or the other. I think she I
Speaker 2: think they're gonna I think they're gonna get her there.
Speaker 2: I think she's going to She needs we need a
Speaker 2: couple of stars there, so you'll be a big star there.
Speaker 2: There's you know, there's what's his name, Jonathan from gen
Speaker 2: Zeason will be another star there. We have to just
Speaker 2: pile Paradise. We have to pile up Paradise.
Speaker 3: That's my thought.
Speaker 2: But then we also have the Goldens and Paradise, which
Speaker 2: is another thing. We'll talk about in a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I do want to talk about the families for
Speaker 2: a second. Just the family meet and greets really quick.
Speaker 2: Grandsister said that she liked Latia since day one, and
Speaker 2: you could tell that the mom preferred Latia over Juliana,
Speaker 2: which to me was a sign. It was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is what Ben always says. They always show the
Speaker 2: parents preferring one over the other there, and it's usually
Speaker 2: the one that doesn't win.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, from my personal experience,
Speaker 3: I don't know how much i'd read into that, because
Speaker 3: there's questions that they can set up to make it
Speaker 3: seem that way. There's suns they can get out typically parents,
Speaker 3: and it feels like what his you know, mom would do.
Speaker 3: They pretty much they try their best to walk a
Speaker 3: very middle line here because they know that the show
Speaker 3: is going to try to push them in one direction
Speaker 3: or the other. And they're like, I'm not giving you
Speaker 3: that the show can get anything out of anything they
Speaker 3: want it. It is weird. I mean, I think we
Speaker 3: have to look at the storytelling piece here. It did
Speaker 3: feel like they really pushed Latia on us this episode,
Speaker 3: and it's weird to me that they did that. Without
Speaker 3: a Bachelorette season coming, because what is the benefit of
Speaker 3: the show to not just make this a beautiful love
Speaker 3: story between Juliana and Grant.
Speaker 2: Good good point, because my biggest takeaway from this episode
Speaker 2: was like, maybe we should do the finale in two parts.
Speaker 2: If you guys are really into the whole three hour thing,
Speaker 2: then maybe we do two hours on a Monday, and
Speaker 2: then we do one hour on a Tuesday, and then
Speaker 2: the two hour is you know, the finishing up of
Speaker 2: the season and the dumping. Because when we got to
Speaker 2: the proposal, I was checked out. I didn't care. I
Speaker 2: just cared about Letia and I was so angry for
Speaker 2: her that I couldn't switch over to happiness for the
Speaker 2: two of them that quickly. So I say, separate them
Speaker 2: if you're gonna create stories like you just did.
Speaker 3: We talked about this with Andy and Charlene. Feel like,
Speaker 3: to me, the story path was missing here. It didn't
Speaker 3: give Grant and I want to be like as clear
Speaker 3: as I possibly can be on this show because we're
Speaker 3: wrapping up this season and we probably won't talk about
Speaker 3: it too much again. We'll hopefully talk to Latia, maybe
Speaker 3: Juliana and Grant, but it felt like they did Grant
Speaker 3: and Juliana a disservice this episode by focusing so much
Speaker 3: on Latia and not allowing us the space to celebrate
Speaker 3: this new relationship, because what we were doing as viewers
Speaker 3: were like, I'm on Latia's team here, like I'm mad
Speaker 3: at Grant right now, something obviously happened that changed his mind.
Speaker 3: Latia's telling us that he said all these things to
Speaker 3: her to give her a clear like confidence that she
Speaker 3: was going to be the one chosen at the end,
Speaker 3: his mind switched. We don't know why, where, how, what happened?
Speaker 3: We're lost here and now we're just meant to celebrate
Speaker 3: this new relationship when we're still mad at Grant, And
Speaker 3: it felt like they they gave him a disservice by
Speaker 3: not allowing the space or the clarity for how they like,
Speaker 3: how we got to where we got to, Uh, even
Speaker 3: if it was messy, even if it was ugly, even
Speaker 3: if he made mistakes, even if Ashley he did the
Speaker 3: coin flip.
Speaker 2: That wasn't shown, I would have felt more if we
Speaker 2: had a coin flip. I feel like I needed the
Speaker 2: coin flip.
Speaker 3: At least we know how he got to this decision.
Speaker 2: I believe the coin flip happened, even more so now
Speaker 2: because you always said it. They wouldn't show it. But
Speaker 2: there felt like there was a big chunk of his
Speaker 2: decision making process that was missing because he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. My dad came in.
Speaker 2: He told me to follow my heart, as if it's
Speaker 2: like the most groundbreaking advice ever. Sorry, his dad is
Speaker 2: so sweet. I love the moments with his dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's like revolutionary advice. His dad was probably like,
Speaker 3: I don't know to do. Man, Like I don't go
Speaker 3: follow your heart? Like this is weird, I know.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he saw the light.
Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, I think you've recued. But we should
Speaker 2: mention that the whole having a family thing seemed to
Speaker 2: throw him off a lot more in this episode than
Speaker 2: it ever had, and Latilla brought that up. She was like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, now, this is something we talked about
Speaker 2: this weeks ago and that didn't seem to be a thing.
Speaker 2: But he really seems to want a couple years of
Speaker 2: chill before kids.
Speaker 3: Okay, so here to clear all this up, a few
Speaker 3: things that happened this episode. Here's the bat that happened
Speaker 3: this episode. It was confusing. Yet again, I don't feel
Speaker 3: like we got even a half of the real story
Speaker 3: that occurred throughout this season. And it did feel like Grant,
Speaker 3: as we talked about last week, had things brought up
Speaker 3: to him this season that were big deals and he
Speaker 3: either chose not to listen to them. Hey Grant, I
Speaker 3: want a family, Hey Grant, I want kids soon, and
Speaker 3: he said that sounds awesome, like so good, let's do it,
Speaker 3: like so happy with it. He either wasn't listening, or
Speaker 3: he wasn't realizing the seriousness of these desires being communicated,
Speaker 3: or he did have a revolutionary moment at some point
Speaker 3: to go, I actually don't want that right now. And
Speaker 3: there's one person here that hasn't asked that of me,
Speaker 3: and so that's where I'm leaning. Because the other person
Speaker 3: seems really confident in what they want for the future
Speaker 3: and really passionate about what they want for the future.
Speaker 3: But we don't get any of that as viewers. We
Speaker 3: see none of it. And all I want, Ashley for
Speaker 3: any season of The Bachelor is clarity, because I want
Speaker 3: to sit with Grant if he made some mistakes along
Speaker 3: the way, because we all get it. I also want
Speaker 3: to celebrate Grant's great decisions like choosing somebody he loves
Speaker 3: at the end, and they seem happy and ready to
Speaker 3: make this thing work. But instead I just felt like
Speaker 3: a viewer who has watched all season and then watched
Speaker 3: three hours of an episode and still felt confused and upset.
Speaker 3: And I don't like that.
Speaker 2: All Right, there's something we really have to dive into,
Speaker 2: and this is Letia's points at the end of the show.
Speaker 2: The fact that the night before he said I love you,
Speaker 2: I love you, I love you. You can't wait to
Speaker 2: get engaged tomorrow. That's lot. And then the FaceTime with
Speaker 2: her mom earlier in the season where he goes, I
Speaker 2: want to stop that. Of course they didn't air this,
Speaker 2: but this was a moment that didn't make air. Says
Speaker 2: we can stop the show right now. I'm so certain
Speaker 2: that Latia is going to be the one in the end.
Speaker 2: Then there was things that she was respectful enough to
Speaker 2: not bring up that were said in the fantasy suite,
Speaker 2: which I am assuming was like you've been it, you
Speaker 2: are it, ala Ala, And that's why she says at
Speaker 2: the end, when did it switch within the past twelve hours,
Speaker 2: Like how did this happen? And then he was like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean?
Speaker 3: Switch? Like I think he thought he was going to
Speaker 3: get away with it, and he was like, crap, this
Speaker 3: girl is coming after, Like she's calling me out and
Speaker 3: I didn't realize she I didn't think she would.
Speaker 2: Well, dude, what, Yeah, I don't know you or you
Speaker 2: are different than I thought you were. As she said,
Speaker 2: what do you think of this behavior?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to crush any lead girl
Speaker 3: or guy on this show that is conflicted. I get it.
Speaker 3: It's hard. There's a lot to process emotions and feelings
Speaker 3: do change on a dime because you're allowing them to
Speaker 3: You're staying open to the very end until the moment
Speaker 3: that you say, I know what I want to do.
Speaker 3: The interesting part about this season is it felt like
Speaker 3: Grant was so conflicted that he really didn't know what
Speaker 3: he wanted to do, But yet he was telling Letia
Speaker 3: these He was giving her the reassurances and promises as
Speaker 3: she mentioned, which makes me think that, you know what,
Speaker 3: maybe the better path here Grant was to be honest
Speaker 3: with these women and tell them I actually am like
Speaker 3: having a really hard time. You don't have to go
Speaker 3: into details like, I'm having a real hard time because
Speaker 3: I like you the same, It's just I'm having a
Speaker 3: really hard time, Like this is this is messy, this
Speaker 3: is confusing to me. But it felt like he was
Speaker 3: kind of giving the sales pitch to the Latia during
Speaker 3: Fantasy Sweet Week, during the facetimes and saying like, no,
Speaker 3: it's you, you have nothing to worry about, and then
Speaker 3: blindsiding her at the end. And I don't know how
Speaker 3: he goes from being so confident. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: That was my point earlier. What happened and why aren't
Speaker 3: we seeing it? What happened Grant, that you were so
Speaker 3: confident all season for weeks now and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden you switch on us, like we have no clue.
Speaker 2: It could have been the greatest content ever to see
Speaker 2: him like really having meltdowns over this, because the normal
Speaker 2: person would have meltdowns over this, being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I told her this. I can't believe I told her
Speaker 2: mom that she was going to be the one that
Speaker 2: we could stop the show. I can't believe I told
Speaker 2: her these things. They've finished, and now I have to
Speaker 2: tell her it's not her. He didn't even back back
Speaker 2: off that last night by saying like, okay, that was
Speaker 2: his opening window to show some doubt, even though he
Speaker 2: probably had just felt like he was so far in
Speaker 2: that he couldn't back out then, but that had set
Speaker 2: him up for even more of a of course, backlash
Speaker 2: from her at the altar.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's switch gears complete left turn here, because I
Speaker 3: think the consensus from you and I here is this
Speaker 3: season else not to hate on Grant, but this season
Speaker 3: felt like we were playing catch up and reading through
Speaker 3: the lines most of the time. There was the storytelling
Speaker 3: piece of this felt like there were things missing, and
Speaker 3: we feel that even more now than ever when it
Speaker 3: comes to the breakup at the very end and we're
Speaker 3: sitting here going what just happened? Yet, there is a
Speaker 3: new couple coming out of Bachelor Nation. It is Juliana
Speaker 3: and Grant, and they do seem really happy together. Grant
Speaker 3: is moving to Boston to be with her. We want
Speaker 3: them to work, like, let's make that clear. The problem is,
Speaker 3: unlike a lot of seasons, we it does feel hard
Speaker 3: to like celebrate it because I in my mind, I'm
Speaker 3: still like he hasn't really chosen like I haven't. It
Speaker 3: was hard for me to make sense of what was
Speaker 3: happening during this episode and then get it summarized, yeah
Speaker 3: with this like you know proposal at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was shocked to see them so happy on
Speaker 2: the couch. I thought that this was bound to be
Speaker 2: one of those couples that you were going to be like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we've had a hard time since the show wrapped. We did,
Speaker 2: you know, we We've had conversations and happy a couple
Speaker 2: of weekends that you know, had some tension, but we're
Speaker 2: really trying to work through it. They seem all the
Speaker 2: way happy. So maybe she's just a very understanding woman,
Speaker 2: or as they would like to say, well well woman, yes,
Speaker 2: how many times do we use the damn word woman?
Speaker 3: Last night? Holy mother of God, it must have been
Speaker 3: a thing. The Uh, we're so happy for them, Like
Speaker 3: I want to see them, I don't. I'm not putting
Speaker 3: this on Grant and I'm definitely not putting this on Juliana.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It felt like it wasn't their fault, that the messiness
Speaker 3: or the confliction or the back and forth wasn't clearly shown.
Speaker 3: It's not their fault at all. It didn't feel like
Speaker 3: they get a fair shot. But now that they're together,
Speaker 3: as we do with any couple, especially while other than
Speaker 3: like Jen and Devin were like, gen, run as fast
Speaker 3: as you possibly can, kid, we really want to see
Speaker 3: them work. It's an amazing thing when this show works.
Speaker 3: Love happens from the show it has worked before. And
Speaker 3: so to Juliana and Grant, congratulations you did it. And Juliana,
Speaker 3: you are going to have to be understanding in this moment.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that it's gonna be forever. It doesn't
Speaker 3: mean that this season of you getting compared to or
Speaker 3: getting talked about in the same breath as Latia is
Speaker 3: gonna happen forever. You guys are gonna have the opportunity
Speaker 3: to just like have a healthy, happy relationship, especially if
Speaker 3: the two of you communicate with each other about what
Speaker 3: happened at the end. And I'm sure you have. But
Speaker 3: let's celebrate the two of them now, if anything, on
Speaker 3: this podcast, because it didn't feel like we got the
Speaker 3: chance to in a proper way last night.
Speaker 2: Also, Letillo was like, girl, run, I know she did
Speaker 2: say that, and I understand, like Juliana must have some
Speaker 2: worries watching this back about his honesty or the fact
Speaker 2: that she might be blindsided one day. I think there's
Speaker 2: one thing to point out out more is towards the end,
Speaker 2: he said, there's one relationship that's very serious, and then
Speaker 2: there's one relationship that's very fun. And I think that
Speaker 2: what Grant was thinking of at the end was who
Speaker 2: can I now date, not who can I marry?
Speaker 3: Well, they did talk about they're going to take things slow,
Speaker 3: they're really happy. Let's let's hope that they work. Really
Speaker 3: the star of last night, Letia said all the things
Speaker 3: that everybody loved, they would love to see as the bachelor.
Speaker 3: Att's it's unfortunate that she she's not going to get
Speaker 3: that opportunity. Juliana and Grant, we hope you guys move
Speaker 3: on in engagement bliss and you date really well.
Speaker 2: We're sorry if we sound off. We're not hostile to
Speaker 2: do your relationship goodness. No, we're a little weary of
Speaker 2: Grant's decision making, but.
Speaker 3: Ultimately we want to see them succeed. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think I think what we're saying is I know what
Speaker 3: we're saying is it didn't feel like they got a
Speaker 3: fair shot, and it doesn't feel like this season at
Speaker 3: times got a fair shot, and it didn't feel like
Speaker 3: we got the full story and I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they were protecting us from. And
Speaker 3: it could have been that Grant did to do a
Speaker 3: coin flip at the end, and they're like, hey, we
Speaker 3: can't show that because that just doesn't look good. And
Speaker 3: so none of this is going to make sense because
Speaker 3: we really don't know, Like, we can't show how he
Speaker 3: actually decided who he was going to propose to at
Speaker 3: the end. That could be two and that's probably going
Speaker 3: to be my theory until we talked him about it.
Speaker 2: My bad, though, I didn't mean decision making as far
Speaker 2: as picking Juliana, Like I think that he actually did
Speaker 2: make the best decision for himself picking Juliana. I just mean,
Speaker 2: like his decision making and telling this litia and such
Speaker 2: things along the way. Okay, now let's move on to
Speaker 2: the big announcement that there will be the Golden Bachelor's
Speaker 2: in Bachelor and Paradise. Ben, what do you think? And
Speaker 2: Jared was hot about it? He didn't I'm not like
Speaker 2: this idea when it was announced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna get messy. I
Speaker 3: hope this show doesn't try to cultivate relationships between the two,
Speaker 3: Like I just if one happens, I guess like cool,
Speaker 3: But like I hope this show doesn't produce their way
Speaker 3: into a relationship here. I don't think that's gonna be
Speaker 3: good for the viewership. I don't think it's what the
Speaker 3: viewership is asking for. I don't think they've ever asked
Speaker 3: for this kind of for Susan to date, Jonathan, I
Speaker 3: don't think that's been a thing that anybody's ever desired.
Speaker 3: We'll see. I can see where it'll be entertaining, and
Speaker 3: I can see where it could work with the wisdom
Speaker 3: being shared and the advice and kind of having that
Speaker 3: like wise counsel and a place to like, you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: like Susan has always been to when we go on
Speaker 3: these trips. She's just a fun person to be around,
Speaker 3: and she's always very like loving and caring and towards me.
Speaker 3: So I could see where I'd be on the beach,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, season, can we just like chill and talk,
Speaker 3: or like, can you just help me figure this out?
Speaker 3: I just hope there's not like relationships being formed or
Speaker 3: forced between the two groups.
Speaker 2: Do you see it being separate like them? I hear
Speaker 2: there's some rumors out there that they'll be happening at
Speaker 2: different parts of a resort, or two different resorts, so
Speaker 2: that it's more of like a flash to the young
Speaker 2: kids flash to the older people. I think I'm more
Speaker 2: down for that. I do worry that we'll again be
Speaker 2: missing a lot of storyline from both camps if that's
Speaker 2: how they do it, unless they do, like you know what,
Speaker 2: I be down for them doing two hours a week
Speaker 2: of the younger people and then an hour a week
Speaker 2: with the goldens, Like let's separate it like that.
Speaker 3: That'd be fun.
Speaker 2: And then like there could be some joint dates, not
Speaker 2: like mixing of the ages, but like you know, the prom,
Speaker 2: like they all show up to the prom together.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a lot of ideas. We don't
Speaker 3: know a lot, but we do know they're going to
Speaker 3: be there. It's official together on the beach. We'll be
Speaker 3: excited for it. We'll be watching, We'll be breaking it
Speaker 3: down here at the Almost Famous podcast as we always do.
Speaker 2: Yes, we will be all right. Well, guys, Ben has
Speaker 2: got to go, but I will be doing e further
Speaker 2: breakdown of this finale with a panel of some of
Speaker 2: your favorites, So stay tuned for that, but until that time,
Speaker 2: I've been Ashley.
Speaker 3: And I've been Ben. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Bye.
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