WEBVTT - Grant’s Finale 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with on our radio. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:11.840 Hello, Ben, Welcome to our recap episode of Grand Season. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:17.000 I'm kind of happy it's over. I felt nothing then. 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:22.439 I've never felt so little during a season, during a finale, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:25.400 during a proposal. I want all your thoughts about it. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:31.440 Okay, I don't disagree with you completely on the season itself. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.479 I don't want to completely poop poo the season. However, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.680 it's hard not to. There's a few things that maybe 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.920 we'll talk about as we recap the finale that stood 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.400 out to us this season, just some moments. I think 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:49.600 you're in the majority. A lot of people on social 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.520 media are talking about kind of how this season felt 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.280 like it fell short at every angle except for the finale. 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:58.400 It gave us a little entertainment. There were some highlight 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:02.560 standout moments that, yes, maybe weren't the love story that 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.800 we all celebrated him. We're celebrating the love story, But 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.160 the moments that stand out from the finale are more 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.080 of the confrontations. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.319 Yeah, maybe I felt something I felt proud of. 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.480 Yeah, fair enough. We'll talk about the finale here. It 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:25.000 did feel like from our listeners and also from social 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.240 media that people did enjoy the finale. If anything, they 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.119 were glad they watched it. However, the consensus is, let's 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.320 not do these what was this? Four hours long? Three 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:35.840 hours long? 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.080 Three hours long? We're so over the three hour long finale, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.480 especially when it's actually not as dramatic as they tease. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.399 A lot of the times it lives up to the 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.160 te's this season, I don't think that like the whole 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.440 what's he gonna do in the last thirty minutes before 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:53.639 having to head to the car. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.720 He's gonna break up with somebody? Guess all that, guys. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.200 He didn't even show that much turmoil. He didn't even cry. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.080 I think, Ashley, we've talked about it before. It is 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.560 one of one of our critiques that's been consistent for 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.760 the last few seasons. They've got to be very careful 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.640 teasing things and saying things to the audience, especially when 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.920 it comes from the host that end up not being 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:26.120 true because they lose the viewers trust. This is not 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.960 a historic ending. This was nothing. If you break it 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:33.840 down past all the stuff, it wasn't that different than 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.480 any other season we've had when it comes to how 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.680 a season ends. I think they have to be very 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:45.080 careful when Jesse says this is the most historic ending 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.000 or this is a historic moment in the franchise for 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.880 it not being now, we just go, well, what was it? 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.560 What happened? 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.040 Well, what happened is he made a decision and he 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.760 said thanks to Letia that did not allow with the 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.880 decision that he made. That is something we'll get into 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.560 a second. But I do want to talk about how 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.720 they invited you to be part of this live three 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.200 hour Finally. You were supposed to be on the panel. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.000 You were supposed to be in the place of either 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:16.520 Gary Charity or Clayton because all of them basically said 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.040 I love you to multiple people. You were apparently the 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.080 og of this, that's what they wanted to do on 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:22.360 the panel. You decided not to go. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.280 Yeah, it's not they asked, And I'm always thankful when 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.000 the show asks for us to return. It's fun for 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.040 us to return a lot of time. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.560 Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'll ever return again, 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.160 though it makes me feel sad. I can't figure out 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.960 a place where I would fit return. Yeah. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:40.960 Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot. It's fun 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.280 to return. It's fun to see familiar faces. Is it's 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.720 exciting to be in that environment. It'd been great to 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.520 meet Grant in person, and you know, hopefully his choice 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:57.440 that we'll get to in just a bit. But talking 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.720 about saying I love you to two people, it just 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.480 doesn't feel like it's a part of my life anymore. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.000 And it's also a moment that I feel like, why 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.040 am I going to talk about it if the show's 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:13.280 never owned up to that it happens all the time, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.760 and they just showed it for my season and made 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.719 it a big deal, and it was. It was a 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.800 huge deal. It was accurate to my story. I'm not 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.680 mad about the editing part of it, but the way 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.719 the show just kind of threw me out there and said, Okay, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:30.640 now go deal with this. This is so weird and 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.320 unexpected and they've never really like talked about it and 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.640 since then when it happens every season now. But I'm 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:38.920 not going to go on a panel and talk about 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.560 how I fell in love with two people because I 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.360 am married with a child. I am so happy with that. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.880 Lauren is married with a child, Jojo is married and thriving. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.039 Like nobody wants to see me revisit this moment and 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.839 to see a clip played and to have me have 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.839 to explain it. I don't even remember really why I 0:04:58.960 --> 0:04:59.760 said what I said. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:05.160 Mm hmm, totally. Now do you believe I don't even 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.400 believe that possibly Grant was in love with two people 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.080 because the way that he hurt Letia. I don't know. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.040 That's long. I mean, that's a big question. Actually are 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.080 you asking me to answer that? I don't know. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.480 I don't know, because okay, this is a difference. Sorry 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.040 to bring you into this, but. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.200 You can bring No. Here's the deal. You can bring 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.480 me into it. You and I talk every week about 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.600 the show and our experiences. You can bring me into it. 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.039 I am not going to get a phone call for 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.920 the first time in like years, and the phone call 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.599 is like, hey, instead of like bringing you back to 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.520 talk about, you know, your time on the show and 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.640 what maybe you meant to the show and all the 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.760 you know stuff that happens with the show, We're going 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.560 to bring you back to talk about the one moment 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.200 that was the most controversial for your season, and then 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:56.800 just like send you away. It's gonna be a great 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.800 five minute panel. You're gonna get out there. Everybody's going 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:01.480 to be sick of seeing you again, and then you're 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.839 gonna leave, and that's what we're gonna do. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.599 People aren't sick of seeing you, Ben, they don't see 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.960 you enough. They are sick of seeing Gary. There, I 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.240 said it, that's fair. They're they're honestly probably sick of 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.000 seeing Susan two. And Susan's gonna be on the new 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.120 Hulu show and then Susan's probably also gonna be on 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.800 a Bachelor in Paradise. Will around that in a second. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:25.120 Maybe people just love seeing them though maybe I'm wrong. Okay, 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.120 So the difference between you and Grant is that, like 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.560 you seemed like, oh shit, oh you have in love 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.760 with two people? Oh god, what am I gonna do? 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.800 How am I gonna navigate this to you? How Like 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.600 you were in a panic and you felt guilt and 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.000 you felt so much heaviness, and he was kind of like, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:50.080 I love you, I love you. Oh okay, this. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:51.760 I pick you. I pick you. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:53.720 You know, it wasn't what I thought I was gonna 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:57.520 do all season long, but I pick you, like it 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.320 was weird. And then like you know, he went into 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:05.040 a robot take mode when he dumbs Letia. He was 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.040 in like, Okay, well I lied to her a lot, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.080 and now I'm going to press this button. I'm going 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.840 to get through this breakup and then I'm going to 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.720 continue with life. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:19.440 Is there a question there for me? 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.040 I guess the question was like, don't you feel the difference? 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.320 Didn't you feel the difference? Like? I really feel like 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.680 he was just he did he was so detached. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.120 Okay, I can only yeah, I don't know Grant. I mean, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:39.920 we watched Grant's moment. Does it feel more detached? Yes, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.800 it does. It feels more detached than all these other 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.680 panelists who you know, fell in love with Muscile. People 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.920 are said they did, and I think two and I 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.880 want to give credit to Lauren and Jojo here. I'm 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.800 going to try with what I'm saying. I don't know 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.360 if it's gonna make sense. I think Grant's final two 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.080 is great too. Well, don't know them that well because 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:02.920 I don't think. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.680 This seems like I know Latia pretty darn well, Letia, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:05.920 you do. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.760 I do think that's fair. I will say this. I 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.880 think most people watching the season of show that I 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.400 was on as the lead, even if they didn't want 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.440 to believe it, it made sense to them on how 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:25.920 I got there. I think the season itself showed how 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.119 we got to that moment where all of a sudden, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.040 I was going, I don't know what to do, Like 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.200 this is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.360 I think people thought it was outrageous that I said 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.599 that to two people. I get that. I understand that. 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.280 I'm not mad at people for feeling that way, but 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.439 I think deep down, when they thought about it, they're like, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:48.840 it makes sense because then Jojo became so celebrated as 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.080 the Bachelor and people fell in love with her. People 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.880 loved Lauren coming off the show, Like people were like, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.520 I get why these two people have this big of 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.760 an impact and you have this kind of feelings for 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.880 them in your life. I don't think we had that 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:05.760 kind of journey with Grant to this point where we're like, 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.400 I get how he got here, Like, yeah, these two 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.920 women he definitely has a connection with. I think really 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.560 we thought he has a connection with one of them 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.280 and that was the one he didn't choose, and now 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.920 we're surprised. So is it different? 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.199 I would say yes, I think he had a connection 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.640 with Juliana for sure. I know he had a connection 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.360 with Juliana, but like, I think Latia was always shown 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.720 as being his front runner, And that's. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.480 What I'm saying. But yeah, let me be clear. My 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.480 point was not that he doesn't have a connection with 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.240 the woman that he's now engaged to. We're happy for them, like, 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.040 we don't want to take that moment away from them. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.760 I'm just saying the show, the story of the show 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:52.640 didn't show that connection like they showed Latia's, and so 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.920 as a result, the viewers feel like we're playing catch 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.920 up at the very end instead of almost seeing this 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.520 story play out like like this season I was on 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.240 where they're like, I don't know what he's gonna do 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.680 because he's into both these people. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.079 Yeah, it was almost as if they created the storyline 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.840 for TV so that there would be a twist at 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:15.200 the end. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:17.719 Yes, that's the That's a good better way to say 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.120 it than me. It's like they almost created this twist 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.880 so that we were surprised by who he chose and 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.400 we're like, wait, that now doesn't make any sense right totally. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.320 But I will say that the way Letia handled herself 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.000 with some like fun but yet some fun sass but 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:40.040 also lots of intelligence at the end between the you know, 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.560 the Ulter moment and then also when she confronts him 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.400 on the couch, like she was the bachelorette that I 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:46.679 feel like they've been searching for. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.560 Yeah, and this is the season that they're not going 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.199 to have one, But it makes no sense to me 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.400 because she is the bachelorette they've been wanting for for 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.600 so long. This was her bachelorette moment, even though she knew, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.840 especially during the live show, that there is no bachelor happening. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:04.440 Yeah. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:10.520 And here's an interesting thing. The viewer response typically when 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.679 somebody confronts another person on this show, or they get 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.720 angry or they get sassy, the viewer response is usually 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.920 mixed like oh, I'm so proud of them, or that 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.800 was unnecessary. Everybody was on her team here, Like everybody 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:29.360 was like, that was perfect, you did great. Let's go girl. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.199 Like also, her accent came out, which was amazing. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.960 Yeah, we heard a voice that we had never heard 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:41.120 of before, and I was here for it. You know 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.640 how we've been complaining for a couple of seasons that 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:45.480 we like felt like we didn't know the lead going 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.960 into their season. Well, we know her and I feel 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.000 attached to her. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.280 I want to see her win. And you know what's great, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.079 Ashley h I just I wish you were having a 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.000 Bachelor at season so bad because I think it would 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.160 bring a whole new life to the franchise. And it 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.520 feels like such an easy win for the show just 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.959 to be like, Okay, it's your story, now, let's go. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.719 Let's like start next week and let's start filming like 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.640 they usually do the because what we know about her 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:18.200 right now is she is passionate, she smart, was ready, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.439 she knows what she wants, and she wants a family. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.320 Like one of the biggest conversations this episode was about 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.959 how she's ready for kids. How cool is it for 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.360 you know, two parents here to be watching a full 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.920 season being like she's gonna get her love story, like 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.959 she's gonna get her family. We're cheering for her to 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.680 find that person that fills that role in her life 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.880 and so that she can start this thing that she 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.880 dreams of, as she said from her heart, she's desiring kids. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.720 I would be so all in on this. I would 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.719 be her biggest fan. I am her biggest fan. It 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.120 I don't want to take away and we're gonna get 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.320 to you know, Grant Juliana here and what we hope 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:00.800 for them, what we feel for them. But let's be honest. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.800 Latia is the star of this episode of the show, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:09.120 of this season. Yeah, and I am upset, and I 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.439 hope this makes a headline. I am upset that she 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:12.719 is not our bachelorette. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.040 Now, how much do we pay her to go to Paradise? 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:27.680 None? 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.040 Wait, what do you mean you don't want her in Paradise. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.000 I don't want to in Paradise. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.559 I think she's got to go to Paradise because we 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.160 want to see that right and we find it in 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.880 Paradise in front of our eyes. We want to see 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.599 it one way or the other. I think she I 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.760 think they're gonna I think they're gonna get her there. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.719 I think she's going to She needs we need a 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.000 couple of stars there, so you'll be a big star there. 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.880 There's you know, there's what's his name, Jonathan from gen 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.599 Zeason will be another star there. We have to just 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.560 pile Paradise. We have to pile up Paradise. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:00.920 That's my thought. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.800 But then we also have the Goldens and Paradise, which 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:05.240 is another thing. We'll talk about in a little bit, 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.240 but I do want to talk about the families for 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.280 a second. Just the family meet and greets really quick. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.439 Grandsister said that she liked Latia since day one, and 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:21.600 you could tell that the mom preferred Latia over Juliana, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.800 which to me was a sign. It was like, oh, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.680 this is what Ben always says. They always show the 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.400 parents preferring one over the other there, and it's usually 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:31.400 the one that doesn't win. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:37.000 Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, from my personal experience, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.000 I don't know how much i'd read into that, because 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.240 there's questions that they can set up to make it 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.600 seem that way. There's suns they can get out typically parents, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.200 and it feels like what his you know, mom would do. 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.040 They pretty much they try their best to walk a 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.200 very middle line here because they know that the show 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.680 is going to try to push them in one direction 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.520 or the other. And they're like, I'm not giving you 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.640 that the show can get anything out of anything they 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:07.360 want it. It is weird. I mean, I think we 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.080 have to look at the storytelling piece here. It did 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.120 feel like they really pushed Latia on us this episode, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.680 and it's weird to me that they did that. Without 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.680 a Bachelorette season coming, because what is the benefit of 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:20.920 the show to not just make this a beautiful love 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.640 story between Juliana and Grant. 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.560 Good good point, because my biggest takeaway from this episode 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.760 was like, maybe we should do the finale in two parts. 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.080 If you guys are really into the whole three hour thing, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.080 then maybe we do two hours on a Monday, and 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.640 then we do one hour on a Tuesday, and then 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.400 the two hour is you know, the finishing up of 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.840 the season and the dumping. Because when we got to 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.040 the proposal, I was checked out. I didn't care. I 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.640 just cared about Letia and I was so angry for 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.400 her that I couldn't switch over to happiness for the 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.920 two of them that quickly. So I say, separate them 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.160 if you're gonna create stories like you just did. 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.520 We talked about this with Andy and Charlene. Feel like, 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.280 to me, the story path was missing here. It didn't 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.760 give Grant and I want to be like as clear 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.040 as I possibly can be on this show because we're 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.680 wrapping up this season and we probably won't talk about 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.720 it too much again. We'll hopefully talk to Latia, maybe 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.520 Juliana and Grant, but it felt like they did Grant 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:33.240 and Juliana a disservice this episode by focusing so much 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.400 on Latia and not allowing us the space to celebrate 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.600 this new relationship, because what we were doing as viewers 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.520 were like, I'm on Latia's team here, like I'm mad 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.600 at Grant right now, something obviously happened that changed his mind. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.080 Latia's telling us that he said all these things to 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.760 her to give her a clear like confidence that she 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.400 was going to be the one chosen at the end, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:03.440 his mind switched. We don't know why, where, how, what happened? 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.600 We're lost here and now we're just meant to celebrate 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.840 this new relationship when we're still mad at Grant, And 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.840 it felt like they they gave him a disservice by 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.879 not allowing the space or the clarity for how they like, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.560 how we got to where we got to, Uh, even 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.440 if it was messy, even if it was ugly, even 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.440 if he made mistakes, even if Ashley he did the 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:26.200 coin flip. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.080 That wasn't shown, I would have felt more if we 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.240 had a coin flip. I feel like I needed the 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:32.840 coin flip. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:34.960 At least we know how he got to this decision. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.360 I believe the coin flip happened, even more so now 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.760 because you always said it. They wouldn't show it. But 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.280 there felt like there was a big chunk of his 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.800 decision making process that was missing because he was like, oh, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.600 I don't know what to do. My dad came in. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.440 He told me to follow my heart, as if it's 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.040 like the most groundbreaking advice ever. Sorry, his dad is 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.480 so sweet. I love the moments with his dad. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.600 Yeah, but that's like revolutionary advice. His dad was probably like, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.320 I don't know to do. Man, Like I don't go 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.480 follow your heart? Like this is weird, I know. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.280 And then all of a sudden he saw the light. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.200 I'm like, uh, I think you've recued. But we should 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.320 mention that the whole having a family thing seemed to 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.560 throw him off a lot more in this episode than 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.760 it ever had, and Latilla brought that up. She was like, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.280 wait a second, now, this is something we talked about 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.960 this weeks ago and that didn't seem to be a thing. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.720 But he really seems to want a couple years of 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:30.760 chill before kids. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.800 Okay, so here to clear all this up, a few 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.200 things that happened this episode. Here's the bat that happened 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.960 this episode. It was confusing. Yet again, I don't feel 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.320 like we got even a half of the real story 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:51.439 that occurred throughout this season. And it did feel like Grant, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.199 as we talked about last week, had things brought up 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:58.200 to him this season that were big deals and he 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.520 either chose not to listen to them. Hey Grant, I 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.119 want a family, Hey Grant, I want kids soon, and 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.960 he said that sounds awesome, like so good, let's do it, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.879 like so happy with it. He either wasn't listening, or 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:18.639 he wasn't realizing the seriousness of these desires being communicated, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:22.600 or he did have a revolutionary moment at some point 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.680 to go, I actually don't want that right now. And 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:26.960 there's one person here that hasn't asked that of me, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.040 and so that's where I'm leaning. Because the other person 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.800 seems really confident in what they want for the future 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.639 and really passionate about what they want for the future. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.280 But we don't get any of that as viewers. We 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.359 see none of it. And all I want, Ashley for 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.080 any season of The Bachelor is clarity, because I want 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.800 to sit with Grant if he made some mistakes along 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.840 the way, because we all get it. I also want 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.080 to celebrate Grant's great decisions like choosing somebody he loves 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.200 at the end, and they seem happy and ready to 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.440 make this thing work. But instead I just felt like 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.600 a viewer who has watched all season and then watched 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.720 three hours of an episode and still felt confused and upset. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:06.159 And I don't like that. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.120 All Right, there's something we really have to dive into, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.320 and this is Letia's points at the end of the show. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:15.920 The fact that the night before he said I love you, 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.159 I love you, I love you. You can't wait to 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:23.920 get engaged tomorrow. That's lot. And then the FaceTime with 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.159 her mom earlier in the season where he goes, I 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.680 want to stop that. Of course they didn't air this, 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.200 but this was a moment that didn't make air. Says 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:35.680 we can stop the show right now. I'm so certain 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.439 that Latia is going to be the one in the end. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.720 Then there was things that she was respectful enough to 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.520 not bring up that were said in the fantasy suite, 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.920 which I am assuming was like you've been it, you 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.119 are it, ala Ala, And that's why she says at 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.000 the end, when did it switch within the past twelve hours, 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.320 Like how did this happen? And then he was like, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:00.720 what do you mean? 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.200 Switch? Like I think he thought he was going to 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:09.159 get away with it, and he was like, crap, this 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.480