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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with on our radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Ben, Welcome to our recap episode of Grand Season.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of happy it's over. I felt nothing then.

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Speaker 2: I've never felt so little during a season, during a finale,

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Speaker 2: during a proposal. I want all your thoughts about it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't disagree with you completely on the season itself.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to completely poop poo the season. However,

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Speaker 3: it's hard not to. There's a few things that maybe

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about as we recap the finale that stood

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Speaker 3: out to us this season, just some moments. I think

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Speaker 3: you're in the majority. A lot of people on social

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Speaker 3: media are talking about kind of how this season felt

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Speaker 3: like it fell short at every angle except for the finale.

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Speaker 3: It gave us a little entertainment. There were some highlight

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Speaker 3: standout moments that, yes, maybe weren't the love story that

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Speaker 3: we all celebrated him. We're celebrating the love story, But

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Speaker 3: the moments that stand out from the finale are more

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Speaker 3: of the confrontations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I felt something I felt proud of.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. We'll talk about the finale here. It

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Speaker 3: did feel like from our listeners and also from social

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Speaker 3: media that people did enjoy the finale. If anything, they

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Speaker 3: were glad they watched it. However, the consensus is, let's

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Speaker 3: not do these what was this? Four hours long? Three

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Speaker 3: hours long?

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Speaker 2: Three hours long? We're so over the three hour long finale,

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Speaker 2: especially when it's actually not as dramatic as they tease.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the times it lives up to the

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Speaker 2: te's this season, I don't think that like the whole

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Speaker 2: what's he gonna do in the last thirty minutes before

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Speaker 2: having to head to the car.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna break up with somebody? Guess all that, guys.

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Speaker 2: He didn't even show that much turmoil. He didn't even cry.

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Speaker 3: I think, Ashley, we've talked about it before. It is

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Speaker 3: one of one of our critiques that's been consistent for

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Speaker 3: the last few seasons. They've got to be very careful

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Speaker 3: teasing things and saying things to the audience, especially when

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Speaker 3: it comes from the host that end up not being

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Speaker 3: true because they lose the viewers trust. This is not

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Speaker 3: a historic ending. This was nothing. If you break it

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Speaker 3: down past all the stuff, it wasn't that different than

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Speaker 3: any other season we've had when it comes to how

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Speaker 3: a season ends. I think they have to be very

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Speaker 3: careful when Jesse says this is the most historic ending

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Speaker 3: or this is a historic moment in the franchise for

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Speaker 3: it not being now, we just go, well, what was it?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: Well, what happened is he made a decision and he

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Speaker 2: said thanks to Letia that did not allow with the

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Speaker 2: decision that he made. That is something we'll get into

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Speaker 2: a second. But I do want to talk about how

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Speaker 2: they invited you to be part of this live three

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Speaker 2: hour Finally. You were supposed to be on the panel.

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Speaker 2: You were supposed to be in the place of either

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Speaker 2: Gary Charity or Clayton because all of them basically said

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Speaker 2: I love you to multiple people. You were apparently the

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Speaker 2: og of this, that's what they wanted to do on

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Speaker 2: the panel. You decided not to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not they asked, And I'm always thankful when

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Speaker 3: the show asks for us to return. It's fun for

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Speaker 3: us to return a lot of time.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. I don't know if I'll ever return again,

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Speaker 2: though it makes me feel sad. I can't figure out

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Speaker 2: a place where I would fit return. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of in the same spot. It's fun

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Speaker 3: to return. It's fun to see familiar faces. Is it's

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Speaker 3: exciting to be in that environment. It'd been great to

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Speaker 3: meet Grant in person, and you know, hopefully his choice

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Speaker 3: that we'll get to in just a bit. But talking

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Speaker 3: about saying I love you to two people, it just

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Speaker 3: doesn't feel like it's a part of my life anymore.

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Speaker 3: And it's also a moment that I feel like, why

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Speaker 3: am I going to talk about it if the show's

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Speaker 3: never owned up to that it happens all the time,

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Speaker 3: and they just showed it for my season and made

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Speaker 3: it a big deal, and it was. It was a

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Speaker 3: huge deal. It was accurate to my story. I'm not

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Speaker 3: mad about the editing part of it, but the way

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Speaker 3: now go deal with this. This is so weird and

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Speaker 3: not going to go on a panel and talk about

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Speaker 3: how I fell in love with two people because I

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Speaker 3: am married with a child. I am so happy with that.

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Speaker 3: Lauren is married with a child, Jojo is married and thriving.

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Speaker 3: Like nobody wants to see me revisit this moment and

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Speaker 3: to see a clip played and to have me have

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Speaker 3: to explain it. I don't even remember really why I

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Speaker 3: said what I said.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, totally. Now do you believe I don't even

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Speaker 2: believe that possibly Grant was in love with two people

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Speaker 2: because the way that he hurt Letia. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: That's long. I mean, that's a big question. Actually are

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Speaker 3: you asking me to answer that? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because okay, this is a difference. Sorry

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Speaker 2: to bring you into this, but.

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Speaker 3: You can bring No. Here's the deal. You can bring

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Speaker 3: me into it. You and I talk every week about

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Speaker 3: the show and our experiences. You can bring me into it.

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Speaker 3: I am not going to get a phone call for

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Speaker 3: the first time in like years, and the phone call

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Speaker 3: is like, hey, instead of like bringing you back to

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Speaker 3: talk about, you know, your time on the show and

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Speaker 3: what maybe you meant to the show and all the

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Speaker 3: you know stuff that happens with the show, We're going

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Speaker 3: to bring you back to talk about the one moment

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Speaker 3: that was the most controversial for your season, and then

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Speaker 3: just like send you away. It's gonna be a great

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Speaker 3: five minute panel. You're gonna get out there. Everybody's going

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Speaker 3: to be sick of seeing you again, and then you're

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Speaker 3: gonna leave, and that's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: People aren't sick of seeing you, Ben, they don't see

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Speaker 2: you enough. They are sick of seeing Gary. There, I

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Speaker 2: said it, that's fair. They're they're honestly probably sick of

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Speaker 2: seeing Susan two. And Susan's gonna be on the new

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Speaker 2: a Bachelor in Paradise. Will around that in a second.

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Speaker 2: Maybe people just love seeing them though maybe I'm wrong. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So the difference between you and Grant is that, like

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Speaker 2: you seemed like, oh shit, oh you have in love

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Speaker 2: with two people? Oh god, what am I gonna do?

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Speaker 2: How am I gonna navigate this to you? How Like

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Speaker 2: you were in a panic and you felt guilt and

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Speaker 2: you felt so much heaviness, and he was kind of like,

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Speaker 2: I love you, I love you. Oh okay, this.

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Speaker 3: I pick you. I pick you.

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Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't what I thought I was gonna

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Speaker 2: was weird. And then like you know, he went into

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Speaker 2: in like, Okay, well I lied to her a lot,

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Speaker 2: and now I'm going to press this button. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get through this breakup and then I'm going to

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Speaker 2: continue with life.

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Speaker 3: Is there a question there for me?

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Speaker 2: I guess the question was like, don't you feel the difference?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you feel the difference? Like? I really feel like

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Speaker 2: he was just he did he was so detached.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can only yeah, I don't know Grant. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we watched Grant's moment. Does it feel more detached? Yes,

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Speaker 3: it does. It feels more detached than all these other

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Speaker 3: panelists who you know, fell in love with Muscile. People

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Speaker 3: are said they did, and I think two and I

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Speaker 3: want to give credit to Lauren and Jojo here. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to try with what I'm saying. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if it's gonna make sense. I think Grant's final two

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Speaker 2: This seems like I know Latia pretty darn well, Letia,

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Speaker 3: I do think that's fair. I will say this. I

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Speaker 3: I got there. I think the season itself showed how

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Speaker 3: we got to that moment where all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I was going, I don't know what to do, Like

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Speaker 3: this is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think people thought it was outrageous that I said

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at people for feeling that way, but

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Speaker 3: I think deep down, when they thought about it, they're like,

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Speaker 3: it makes sense because then Jojo became so celebrated as

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Speaker 3: the Bachelor and people fell in love with her. People

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Speaker 3: loved Lauren coming off the show, Like people were like,

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Speaker 3: I get why these two people have this big of

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Speaker 3: them in your life. I don't think we had that

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Speaker 3: I get how he got here, Like, yeah, these two

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Speaker 3: and that was the one he didn't choose, and now

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Speaker 2: I would say yes, I think he had a connection

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Speaker 2: with Juliana for sure. I know he had a connection

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Speaker 2: with Juliana, but like, I think Latia was always shown

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Speaker 2: as being his front runner, And that's.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying. But yeah, let me be clear. My

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Speaker 3: point was not that he doesn't have a connection with

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Speaker 3: we don't want to take that moment away from them.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying the show, the story of the show

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Speaker 3: didn't show that connection like they showed Latia's, and so

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Speaker 3: as a result, the viewers feel like we're playing catch

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Speaker 3: up at the very end instead of almost seeing this

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Speaker 3: where they're like, I don't know what he's gonna do

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Speaker 3: because he's into both these people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was almost as if they created the storyline

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Speaker 2: for TV so that there would be a twist at

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's the That's a good better way to say

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Speaker 3: it than me. It's like they almost created this twist

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Speaker 3: so that we were surprised by who he chose and

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Speaker 2: But I will say that the way Letia handled herself

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Speaker 2: with some like fun but yet some fun sass but

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Speaker 2: also lots of intelligence at the end between the you know,

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Speaker 2: the Ulter moment and then also when she confronts him

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Speaker 2: on the couch, like she was the bachelorette that I

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Speaker 2: feel like they've been searching for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the season that they're not going

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Speaker 3: to have one, But it makes no sense to me

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Speaker 3: because she is the bachelorette they've been wanting for for

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Speaker 3: so long. This was her bachelorette moment, even though she knew,

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Speaker 3: especially during the live show, that there is no bachelor happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And here's an interesting thing. The viewer response typically when

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Speaker 3: was like, that was perfect, you did great. Let's go girl.

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Speaker 2: Now, how much do we pay her to go to Paradise?

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Speaker 2: There's you know, there's what's his name, Jonathan from gen

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Speaker 2: Good good point, because my biggest takeaway from this episode

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Speaker 3: We talked about this with Andy and Charlene. Feel like,

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Speaker 2: That wasn't shown, I would have felt more if we

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Speaker 3: At least we know how he got to this decision.

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Speaker 2: I believe the coin flip happened, even more so now

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Speaker 2: He told me to follow my heart, as if it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's like revolutionary advice. His dad was probably like,

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden he saw the light.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so here to clear all this up, a few

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Speaker 3: But we don't get any of that as viewers. We

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Speaker 2: All Right, there's something we really have to dive into,

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Speaker 2: Then there was things that she was respectful enough to

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Speaker 2: Well, dude, what, Yeah, I don't know you or you

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to crush any lead girl

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Speaker 3: or guy on this show that is conflicted. I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's hard. There's a lot to process emotions and feelings

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Speaker 3: The interesting part about this season is it felt like

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Speaker 3: That was my point earlier. What happened and why aren't

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Speaker 2: him like really having meltdowns over this, because the normal

435
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: person would have meltdowns over this, being like, oh my god,

436
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: I told her this. I can't believe I told her

437
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: mom that she was going to be the one that

438
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: we could stop the show. I can't believe I told

439
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: her these things. They've finished, and now I have to

440
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 2: tell her it's not her. He didn't even back back

441
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: off that last night by saying like, okay, that was

442
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: his opening window to show some doubt, even though he

443
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: probably had just felt like he was so far in

444
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: that he couldn't back out then, but that had set

445
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 2: him up for even more of a of course, backlash

446
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: from her at the altar.

447
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: Okay, let's switch gears complete left turn here, because I

448
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: think the consensus from you and I here is this

449
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: season else not to hate on Grant, but this season

450
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: felt like we were playing catch up and reading through

451
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: the lines most of the time. There was the storytelling

452
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: piece of this felt like there were things missing, and

453
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: we feel that even more now than ever when it

454
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: comes to the breakup at the very end and we're

455
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: sitting here going what just happened? Yet, there is a

456
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 3: new couple coming out of Bachelor Nation. It is Juliana

457
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: and Grant, and they do seem really happy together. Grant

458
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: is moving to Boston to be with her. We want

459
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: them to work, like, let's make that clear. The problem is,

460
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 3: unlike a lot of seasons, we it does feel hard

461
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: to like celebrate it because I in my mind, I'm

462
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: still like he hasn't really chosen like I haven't. It

463
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 3: was hard for me to make sense of what was

464
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 3: happening during this episode and then get it summarized, yeah

465
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: with this like you know proposal at the end.

466
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was shocked to see them so happy on

467
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: the couch. I thought that this was bound to be

468
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: one of those couples that you were going to be like, Yeah,

469
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: we've had a hard time since the show wrapped. We did,

470
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: you know, we We've had conversations and happy a couple

471
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: of weekends that you know, had some tension, but we're

472
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: really trying to work through it. They seem all the

473
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: way happy. So maybe she's just a very understanding woman,

474
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: or as they would like to say, well well woman, yes,

475
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: how many times do we use the damn word woman?

476
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: Last night? Holy mother of God, it must have been

477
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: a thing. The Uh, we're so happy for them, Like

478
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: I want to see them, I don't. I'm not putting

479
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: this on Grant and I'm definitely not putting this on Juliana.

480
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

481
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 3: It felt like it wasn't their fault, that the messiness

482
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: or the confliction or the back and forth wasn't clearly shown.

483
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: It's not their fault at all. It didn't feel like

484
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 3: they get a fair shot. But now that they're together,

485
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: as we do with any couple, especially while other than

486
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: like Jen and Devin were like, gen, run as fast

487
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: as you possibly can, kid, we really want to see

488
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: them work. It's an amazing thing when this show works.

489
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: Love happens from the show it has worked before. And

490
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: so to Juliana and Grant, congratulations you did it. And Juliana,

491
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: you are going to have to be understanding in this moment.

492
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that it's gonna be forever. It doesn't

493
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: mean that this season of you getting compared to or

494
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: getting talked about in the same breath as Latia is

495
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: gonna happen forever. You guys are gonna have the opportunity

496
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: to just like have a healthy, happy relationship, especially if

497
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: the two of you communicate with each other about what

498
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: happened at the end. And I'm sure you have. But

499
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: let's celebrate the two of them now, if anything, on

500
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: this podcast, because it didn't feel like we got the

501
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: chance to in a proper way last night.

502
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: Also, Letillo was like, girl, run, I know she did

503
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: say that, and I understand, like Juliana must have some

504
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: worries watching this back about his honesty or the fact

505
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: that she might be blindsided one day. I think there's

506
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: one thing to point out out more is towards the end,

507
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 2: he said, there's one relationship that's very serious, and then

508
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: there's one relationship that's very fun. And I think that

509
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: what Grant was thinking of at the end was who

510
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: can I now date, not who can I marry?

511
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: Well, they did talk about they're going to take things slow,

512
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: they're really happy. Let's let's hope that they work. Really

513
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: the star of last night, Letia said all the things

514
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: that everybody loved, they would love to see as the bachelor.

515
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: Att's it's unfortunate that she she's not going to get

516
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: that opportunity. Juliana and Grant, we hope you guys move

517
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 3: on in engagement bliss and you date really well.

518
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: We're sorry if we sound off. We're not hostile to

519
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: do your relationship goodness. No, we're a little weary of

520
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: Grant's decision making, but.

521
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: Ultimately we want to see them succeed. I mean, I

522
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: think I think what we're saying is I know what

523
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: we're saying is it didn't feel like they got a

524
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 3: fair shot, and it doesn't feel like this season at

525
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: times got a fair shot, and it didn't feel like

526
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: we got the full story and I don't know why.

527
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what they were protecting us from. And

528
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: it could have been that Grant did to do a

529
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: coin flip at the end, and they're like, hey, we

530
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: can't show that because that just doesn't look good. And

531
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: so none of this is going to make sense because

532
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: we really don't know, Like, we can't show how he

533
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 3: actually decided who he was going to propose to at

534
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: the end. That could be two and that's probably going

535
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: to be my theory until we talked him about it.

536
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: My bad, though, I didn't mean decision making as far

537
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: as picking Juliana, Like I think that he actually did

538
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 2: make the best decision for himself picking Juliana. I just mean,

539
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: like his decision making and telling this litia and such

540
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: things along the way. Okay, now let's move on to

541
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: the big announcement that there will be the Golden Bachelor's

542
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: in Bachelor and Paradise. Ben, what do you think? And

543
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: Jared was hot about it? He didn't I'm not like

544
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: this idea when it was announced.

545
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna get messy. I

546
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: hope this show doesn't try to cultivate relationships between the two,

547
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: Like I just if one happens, I guess like cool,

548
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: But like I hope this show doesn't produce their way

549
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: into a relationship here. I don't think that's gonna be

550
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: good for the viewership. I don't think it's what the

551
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: viewership is asking for. I don't think they've ever asked

552
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: for this kind of for Susan to date, Jonathan, I

553
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: don't think that's been a thing that anybody's ever desired.

554
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: We'll see. I can see where it'll be entertaining, and

555
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: I can see where it could work with the wisdom

556
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: being shared and the advice and kind of having that

557
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: like wise counsel and a place to like, you know, obviously,

558
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: like Susan has always been to when we go on

559
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: these trips. She's just a fun person to be around,

560
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: and she's always very like loving and caring and towards me.

561
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: So I could see where I'd be on the beach,

562
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: I'd be like, season, can we just like chill and talk,

563
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: or like, can you just help me figure this out?

564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: I just hope there's not like relationships being formed or

565
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: forced between the two groups.

566
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: Do you see it being separate like them? I hear

567
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: there's some rumors out there that they'll be happening at

568
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: different parts of a resort, or two different resorts, so

569
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: that it's more of like a flash to the young

570
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: kids flash to the older people. I think I'm more

571
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: down for that. I do worry that we'll again be

572
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: missing a lot of storyline from both camps if that's

573
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: how they do it, unless they do, like you know what,

574
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: I be down for them doing two hours a week

575
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: of the younger people and then an hour a week

576
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: with the goldens, Like let's separate it like that.

577
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: That'd be fun.

578
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: And then like there could be some joint dates, not

579
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: like mixing of the ages, but like you know, the prom,

580
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: like they all show up to the prom together.

581
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's a lot of ideas. We don't

582
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: know a lot, but we do know they're going to

583
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: be there. It's official together on the beach. We'll be

584
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: excited for it. We'll be watching, We'll be breaking it

585
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: down here at the Almost Famous podcast as we always do.

586
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: Yes, we will be all right. Well, guys, Ben has

587
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: got to go, but I will be doing e further

588
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: breakdown of this finale with a panel of some of

589
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: your favorites, So stay tuned for that, but until that time,

590
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: I've been Ashley.

591
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: And I've been Ben. We'll talk to you soon.

592
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Bye.

593
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