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An hour from now, 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: we are live. We're in Chicago. It's the Herd. 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Steelers do what they usually do on Monday night when 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: they're at home. They win. It is great to have 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: you in ball me up her twenties in Chicago. I 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: feel like walking around with my shirt offs. Absolutely fantastic. 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: So let's start with positive. Uncle Kalma Aaron Rodger comes 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh. Took a tone deaf and mostly dead offense 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: for the last seven years, and he's made it competent, 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: not great, not elite, but they were atrocious in the 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: red zone last year. Now they're top three time of 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: possession yards per play. It's a competent offense, but as 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm watching them beat lifeless Miami. The downside is they're 24 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: currently drafting twentieth and they have a stop gap at quarterback, 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: no long term solution, and they don't have any assets 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: to trade up. 27 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: TJ. 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Watt Old, Cam Hayward Old, Jalen Ramsey Old. They let 29 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: go of Pickens, Aaron's Old. So how many first round 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: picks do you want to give up to go get 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: Mendoza or maybe a Dante more So, again, it feels good, 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: it's a candy rush, but it's groundhog day. Stop gap 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: at quarterback barely above five hundred, rinse and repeat, and 34 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: that's where we are. And they also are dominant at 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: home on Monday Night football. They just don't lose. So 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: I feel like the Steeler model is what I have 37 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a problem with. They care about two things that just 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 1: don't matter to people with high standards. One of them is, hey, 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: we've got a winning record. Sean Payton never talks about that. 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 3: In Denver. It's it's not a thing. 41 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: Sixty teams since two thousand and three have had winning 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: records and missed the playoffs. If you have high standards, 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: winning record is not a top three or four thing. 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: Winning division winning playoff, winning conference championships, winning Super Bowls, 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: winning a big free agency on a star quarterback in 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: his prime. That's the stuff people care about winning. The 47 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: other thing is winning on winning on Monday Night football? 48 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: Yepee? How about winning in January? Been a while, so. 49 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: I think again, Aaron Rodgers deserves to me a ton 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: of praise. He's a forty two year old guy, and 51 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: he was much better. I mean, he's a different class 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: a quarterback than Tua. The Dolphin's got to cut eight 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: with two of that thing's over. He has a backup 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: quarterback in this league. But I think this one stat 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: about the Steelers really sums up the organization. Seventeen teams 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL, slightly more than half have a positive 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: point differential. Where are the Steelers seventeenth just tread and water, 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: just barely just got their chin above it, and that's 59 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: what they are. Aaron has turned their red zone woes 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: into red zone wins. At forty two. Not a great 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: o line, not a dependable run game OC so Aaron 62 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: deserves all sorts of praise and short term it feels 63 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: really good. 64 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: But I look at last night. 65 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there in the third quarter and I think 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: they had like a twenty one to three lead, And 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, what does it mean? It feels like Aaron 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: is one of those consultants that used to come by 69 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: local TV stations or radio stations I would work for 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: and it was a fresh set of eyes, and you'd 71 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: bring them in and they could solve some little problems 72 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: in the building. But consultants always left pretty soon, and 73 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: all the big stuff like bad ownership or a bad 74 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 1: GM or you know, not very good content. They couldn't 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: solve the big stuff. Aaron can't solve the fact they 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: spend way too much money on defense. And Aaron can't 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: solve the fact they still just love bragging about winning 78 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: on Monday Night football. So Aaron's gonna leave here pretty quick, 79 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: maybe comes back for one more year. So congratulations. Aaron 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: deserves a lot of praise. I've been critical. He's done 81 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: a good job. They were a mess in the red zone. 82 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: They're now good in the red zone, top three in 83 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: the league. They were bottom four last year. And Aaron's 84 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: always played well in these cold, harsh environments. He was 85 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: a California kid, but Green Bay, Pittsburgh, He's good in 86 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: these spots. Here's here's Mike Tomlin after another Monday Night win. 87 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: Man. We love Monday Night football. 88 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: Mission accomplished. 89 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: Certainly, we wanted to engineer a victory, but we wanted 90 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: to do it in a certain way. We believe in 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: the strength of the pack and and a lot of 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: guys stepped up certainly and made that a truism. 93 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: About the imports and playing well and the supper. Do 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: you feel like your team's getting there? You know, see 95 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 3: you next week, keep watching. 96 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: Been a while since been a part of stuff like this. 97 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: Nothing changes, It's just, you know, I feel real comfortable 98 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: in this environment. Obviously, the crowd was really good at night, 99 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 4: but I feel comfortable in the cold weather. And I've 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 4: always been able to throw up pretty good in the 101 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: cold over the years in Green Bay, and it can 102 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: be an advantage if you, you know, if you embrace it. 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean between Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins on Thursday 104 00:05:54,920 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers, old guys are crushing in December in 105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: the NFL. So Kansas City has been a really well 106 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: run organization for a long time. I mean, the Hunt 107 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: family does it right. They're gonna miss the playoffs for 108 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: the first time. In eleven years, not Jess Mahomes, pre Mahomes, 109 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: Alex Smith. 110 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: They make the playoffs. 111 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: And my interpretation of this is missing the playoffs is perfect. 112 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: It's a cold glass of water to the face because 113 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: sometimes you make the playoffs. Pittsburgh's a great example, and 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, we're inches away. This is 115 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: a rebuild, not a reboot. I'll give you an example. 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: The last three years Kansas City with Andy Reid and 117 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Mahomes and Travis Kelcey Hall of Famer are sixteenth in 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: points per game, eighteenth in yards per play, and twenty 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: fourth in big plays. Does that sound like a tweak 120 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: in an offensive league. Here's Albert Breer on what the 121 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: Patriot it's Belichick decided to do. 122 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, was almost at the same juncture of Brady's 123 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 5: careers has happened with Mahomes. 124 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Now look back right. 125 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 5: So two thousand and eight, Brady goes down Matt Castle 126 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,119 Speaker 5: wins eleven games. That causes the Patriots to say, Okay, 127 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 5: we're going to lean in and try to win with 128 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 5: this aging roster one more time. It doesn't work in 129 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 5: two thousand and nine, then the beginning of twenty ten, 130 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 5: Belichick goes in and literally tears all sorts of evidence 131 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 5: of any championship football off the walls and says, we're 132 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 5: starting over again. And then they really got on a heater. 133 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 5: From a draft perspective. 134 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I honestly think that's what Kansas City needs. I've been 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: asking every guest rebuild or retool. 136 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: Who's their fourth best player. 137 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie, Mahomes who may not be available next year, 138 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey, who's their fourth best player in their prime? 139 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: Because the Rams have about twelve, Eagles have twelve, Lions 140 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: have nine. Started looking around, Baltimore's got eight. So the Chargers, 141 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: by the way, in division, are getting both their offensive 142 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: tackles back, and Harbaugh's going to ace his third straight 143 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: draft like they've done really well drafting because Harbaugh Ortiz 144 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: they know that college game. By the way, bow Nix 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: is getting really good, and that Russell Wilson dead cap hit. 146 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: It's off the books that they're going to get better 147 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: when you've got a Harbaugh, Sean Payton, bow Knicks Herbert 148 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: in division, tweaking is not their issue twenty fourth on 149 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: big plays. They have offensive issues, and that's with Andy Reid. 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: The best offensive play designer arguably we've had since. Like 151 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh right like, it's not a tweak. You got 152 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: to take this boat back to port and rebuild it. 153 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Think about this, The NFL allows forty percent of the 154 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: teams in this league into the playoffs. Jacksonville's getting in, 155 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: Houston's getting in. Not historically well run franchises getting in. 156 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: If Miami would have one last night, they still have 157 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: a life. The tone deaf to offense Steelers are probably 158 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: going to get in Baltimore offense. 159 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: Is broken, completely broken. 160 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: Still may it in Kansas City, won't With reading Mahomes, 161 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: I don't buy that. It's just a it's a red 162 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: tool again. Boat back to port, rebuild it. Good stuff today, 163 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: Nick right drew Bledsoe stops by the Miami situation with Tua. 164 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't mean to beat a dead horse. 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: But small quarterbacks. Remember when Russell Wilson regressed badly, like 166 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: in a year and a half, we were like, what 167 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: what is it? If you watched two today and two 168 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: years ago, he is a backup and not a great backup. 169 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: Small quarterbacks age really quickly. I'm Kyler Murray. Does Arizona 170 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: even want to play them anymore. He'll have a market, 171 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: by the way, because there's eight desperate teams and only 172 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: one star coming out. 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Tough decision this. 197 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: Week on the hurd hierarchy, and I said this about 198 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. Tuck her Craft out, Micah out, 199 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Christian Watson out Kenny Clark in a trade out. That's 200 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,479 Speaker 1: for their top six players. They're not the same team. 201 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: They are not the same team. They don't make the 202 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: hurd hierarchy. Sorry, well what about last week? 203 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: What about it? 204 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: They got two of their top three stars hurt, maybe 205 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: their top two stars hurt. 206 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: Here we go on a Tuesday. 207 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: The herd hierarchy heard hierarchy. Now go the top ten 208 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: NFL teams according to College Number ten. 209 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: I'll put Philadelphia in seven of their nine wins, though 210 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: of coming one score games, they're three and five when 211 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: allowing twenty one plus points. And in the playoffs you're 212 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: gonna face better quarterbacks. Their defense, it's excellent, the roster 213 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: is excellent, but I don't trust Jalen Hurts or Nick 214 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: Ceriani in big spots. Again, they play the Commanders twice 215 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: in the next three weeks, so they're gonna flex and 216 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: look impressive. But this offense feels like it's been broken 217 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: since Week one. Number nine, the Jags you can't run 218 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: on them, and Liam Collen has done wonders for Trevor 219 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Lawrence's confidence. 220 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: He's running more. 221 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: They have the number one scoring offense and number two 222 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: scoring defense on their five game winning streak. Do I 223 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: trust them in a big spot? No, but this is 224 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the closest version of the Trevor Lawrence we all fell 225 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: in love with the Clemson I have the Jags at nine, 226 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: number eight. 227 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 3: The Bills. 228 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Listen, they got totally worked for the first half of 229 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: that game after losing to New England. Everybody thinks, well, 230 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: they scored on five straight touchdown drives. Okay, they do 231 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: run the ball, but are so overly dependent on super 232 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Man at quarterback. Yes, Josh Allen has been very good 233 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: in December games. 234 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 3: I'll give you that. 235 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: And in the last couple of weeks they have almost 236 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: six hundred total yards. You know Josh Allen does, so, 237 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not great. Don't trust them situationally, 238 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: don't trust anybody with a ball in their hands other 239 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: than Josh Allen. 240 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: I have him at eight, number seven. 241 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: Elite coaching, maybe the best coaching staff this year in 242 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: the league. Sala on defense doing it with smoking mirrors 243 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: in Kyle Shanahan. Four wins in a row, all by 244 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: ten plus points, brought pretty Finally. I thought this week 245 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: finally looked totally healthy, had a lot of juice, a 246 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: lot of energy. I mean there are four losses have 247 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: come against good teams, the Rams and the Jags and 248 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: the Texans and the Bucks. So they beat the teams 249 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: they should and right now on third down with Brock 250 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: pretty they move the chains. So this is a very 251 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: dangerous team number six. But Seattle's got a big boy 252 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: defense Sam Donald. Yes, he leads the NFL in giveaways, 253 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: but he also leads in yards per attempt. It is 254 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: a big playoffense that can also play with a lead. 255 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: They can play conservatively and win because they can run 256 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: the ball well coached played defense, second best odds right 257 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: now to win the Super Bowl twenty three straight games, 258 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: not allowing somebody one hundred yards rushing, Meaning if you 259 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: beat him, you know, Sam Donald's gonna get his thirteen possessions. 260 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: JSN is gonna get thirteen possessions. That running game is 261 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: gonna work. I think they're going to be a really 262 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: tough out Seattle at six. 263 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: Number five. 264 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: I still like the Patriots they had a bad half. 265 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: It happens. 266 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: They're a young team, missing their left tackle in their 267 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: left guard. Their issue is they're not very good in 268 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the red zone on either side of the ball. And 269 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: that's why I don't think they're a super Bowl team. 270 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: They're not good defensively. They need another draft. I've been 271 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: saying it all year. They're ahead of schedule. They need 272 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: another draft. They need more help on the offensive line 273 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and more help in the secondary. Number four the Bears. 274 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: Tell me what they don't do. They play in bad 275 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: weather very well. They run the ball, They're dynamic, great 276 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: offensive coach, excellent o line, take the ball away. 277 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: What don't they do? They're built for January. 278 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: Well, you know there can be a Caleb's completion percentage. Lord, 279 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: he's so gifted. I'm just gonna eight and two over 280 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: their last ten games. Number one rush offense since Week five, 281 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: Number two in big plays. They feel like a team 282 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: that could end up in the conference championship. Tell me 283 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: what they don't do, complete bubble screens. Okay, you got 284 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: me there. That's what college quarterbacks need. I have them 285 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: at number four. 286 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: Number three. 287 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: I think the Texans defense is the best unit in 288 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: Pro football. 289 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: They're eight and zero. 290 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: If they can just score twenty points one un scoring defense. 291 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: I mean they faced that. 292 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: Rams offense early in the season held in the fourteen points. 293 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: And I've always liked CJ. 294 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: Stroud. I don't get the criticisms. If you give. 295 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Him two and a half seconds, he's outstanding. I really 296 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: like Houston. I think they're gonna make the AFC Championship. 297 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure who they're gonna face, probably Denver, but 298 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: I think the Texans right now are a bye bye 299 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: bye number two Denver. Listen, can we stop arguing about 300 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: bow Knicks. I've been comparing him to Caleb Williams for weeks. 301 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: I wish he was a little more consistent, but the 302 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: guy is an unbelievable athlete. He doesn't take sacks. I 303 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: said he's a right handed Steve Young. He was dreadful 304 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: for about a four week period earlier this year. Well, 305 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: Caleb couldn't get the operations down in September. But between 306 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: Caleb and bow Knicks, we got to stop doubting them. 307 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Opposing teams, by the way, are three to ten after 308 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: facing Denver. 309 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: So they beat you, and they beat you up. 310 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: Number one. 311 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: Listen, the Rams most complete roster in the NFL, although 312 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't love their corners out gained their opponents by 313 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: in the last month by over five hundred yards. But 314 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: Blake Koram has now popped at running back, so they 315 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: have a one to two punch. They have four tight 316 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: ends who are capable. Davonte will probably be out for 317 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: three weeks. They don't get the pass rush. I think 318 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: they should for the talent they have, but some of 319 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: that is none of their pass rushers outside of Puna Ford, 320 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: who's a run stopper, they don't. They're all kids. They're 321 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: not in their prime yet. I have the Rams at 322 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: number one. No Packers, I'm sorry, they're not the same 323 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: team today. Take out Watson, Micah, Kenny, Clark in the 324 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: trade and Kraft. I have them at eleven, Chargers at twelve. 325 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 326 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 327 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 328 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: With that Nick Wright, First things first stops by all Right, 329 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: hurd hierarchy. 330 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: What don't you like? 331 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 7: Well, listen, I really like a lot of it. Most notably, 332 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 7: I feel like the Niners have flown under the radar 333 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 7: all year long. They're alive for the one seed right 334 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 7: now despite all the injuries. I think it's Shanahan's best 335 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 7: coaching job to date. So I like how high you 336 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 7: have them ram Seahawks Niners. That division them all having 337 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 7: ten or eleven wins is remarkable. I think the Texans 338 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 7: are That might be a tiny bit high, but I 339 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 7: think the Texans are a terrifying team right now. So 340 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 7: I agree with you. I only really have one real grit. Okay, 341 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 7: why are the Patriots ahead of the. 342 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: Bills because we just tell me, Okay, this is not 343 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff Committee? 344 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 3: Head to head, isn't the be all end all? They 345 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: played six quarters. 346 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: New England was better significantly in six of the eight 347 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: quarters they played. New England was significantly better. I like 348 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: New England's coach. The game meant more for Buffalo the season. 349 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: Sean Dermit's job could have been in trouble this game 350 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: at halftimes, Like we beat them the first time, We 351 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: outschemed them in the first half, and then the Patriots, 352 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: missing their left tackling left guard, really struggled to sustain drives. 353 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 7: And that's my reason, man, I feel I guess I 354 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 7: just feel very differently. The first matchup is twenty to 355 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 7: twenty with ninety seconds left, so I don't know how 356 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 7: we got the Patriots thoroughly outplayed on the first four 357 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 7: quarters of the season. That game came down to the wire, 358 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 7: and the second matchup, Buffalo systematically walked them down, and 359 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 7: I and they did it because they have a great 360 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 7: running game, and now that Patrick's hurt, they have the 361 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 7: best healthy player. 362 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 3: In football and Josh Allen. 363 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 7: I just think in a wide open AFC, the Bills 364 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 7: are very scary and deserving and I trust them more 365 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 7: than I trust New England, particularly after this matchup. But 366 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 7: other than that, Colin and I'm not sure about Philly. 367 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 7: Let me add one other thing, Philly. Did Philly fix 368 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 7: things or did Philly. 369 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: Face the Raiders? I'm not sure. 370 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 7: Yeah, so that Philly would be maybe Green Bay in 371 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 7: place of Philly. But otherwise I think it's a really 372 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 7: solid hierarchy. 373 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 374 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: I think it's like when a college powerhouse faces like 375 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: an FCS team, You're like, oh, I won forty eight 376 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: to seven. 377 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: You're like, you know, they play Alabama. 378 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: Next week before I get to Mahomes, and I will 379 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: get to the Chiefs so I I said this earlier, 380 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: and if you had a gifted child that was on 381 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: the spectrum a little bit, not rain Man, but on 382 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the spectrum a little bit. And they were literally doing 383 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Beethoven on the piano at eight years old. I wouldn't 384 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: lose a ton of sleep if they wore their pajamas 385 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: backwards five days a week. 386 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 3: I'll live with that. 387 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to live with Josh Allen, Mahomes and Caleb 388 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: throwing some picks lower completion percentage. They're Beethoven at nine 389 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: year old. Guys, Caleb made throws this week that looked 390 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: like optical illusions. I don't care. I don't care that 391 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: he's fifty nine percent. I've watched the DJ Moore play 392 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: twenty times. I don't even understand how he threw it. 393 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: So my thing on Caleb is, guys, it's like Josh Allen, 394 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: I would take less of a completion percentage this year 395 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: if he ever threw the ball down the field, which 396 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't. 397 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: He doesn't have a receiver. 398 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: Where are you on Caleb in the argument that you 399 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: know he's just not accurate enough. 400 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 7: Well, listen, all you could have hoped for this year 401 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 7: was month over month progression over the course of the 402 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 7: season and see could he get better at the layups 403 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 7: while keeping the spectacular. 404 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: And that's what he's done. 405 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 7: And there are Listen, he is still in a place 406 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 7: in his career, Colin where his low lights are going 407 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 7: to be really grizzly when a player like Matt Stafford 408 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 7: take him the polar opposite example, Stafford's ten worst throws 409 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 7: of the year, none of them are like, what the 410 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 7: hell happened there? It's like, Oh, it's just he thought 411 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 7: he either got tricked or he thought he could fit 412 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 7: it in. 413 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: Trust his arm too much. 414 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 7: Caleb's ten worst throws, it's like, did that missage target 415 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 7: by twelve yards? 416 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: Maybe? 417 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 7: But his ten best throws this season can go up 418 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 7: against any other player in the league. And when you 419 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 7: marry that too, a dynamic, dominant running game, a really 420 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 7: sharp head coach, and a defense that I honestly think 421 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 7: is not that good but it's opportunistic and maybe that's lucky. 422 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 7: But whatever it is, they force a bunch of turnovers. 423 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 7: That's a scary team. And if the NFC playoffs, if 424 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 7: they can keep winning and make it so, a team 425 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 7: like the ram So I think have been the best 426 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 7: team in football have to come to Chicago and deal 427 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 7: with that rushing attack and then Caleb doing pardon me, 428 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 7: four or five spectacular things a game that would be 429 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 7: really scary. Like, I am fully confident that Caleb Williams 430 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 7: is going to be a very good quarterback in this league, 431 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 7: and I think he is bordering on almost already being there. 432 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 7: And this year we are seeing more of what we 433 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 7: didn't see as much as rookie year, of the moments 434 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 7: where you're like, wait, he can be a superstar quarterback 435 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 7: in this league. He still needs, obviously to clean some 436 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 7: of the stuff up, but I feel like he's gotten 437 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: better in that regard. But it's hard to watch that 438 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 7: throw through four defenders into the back of the end 439 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 7: zone against Cleveland and not be like, man, this is 440 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 7: a special, unique talent on our hands. 441 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: So and I've said, if you like Caleb, have to 442 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: at least acknowledge bow Knicks to something, because they're both uneven, 443 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: both great late, both really athletic. And I was saying 444 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: this about bo Nicks. Sometimes you'll see this in a 445 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: lot of different businesses, that a coach finds a player 446 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: that he loves and not everybody else loves. Him. There's 447 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: not a unanimous agreement. Sean Payton before the draft, loved 448 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: bo Nicks because he had a little bit of bo Nicks, 449 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: little smaller guy and Drew Brees. And he's like, oh, 450 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: that's a more athletic Drew Brees. I thought this game 451 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: was one of those games like when the Bears went 452 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: to Philly and all the doubters went, Okay, maybe they're good. 453 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: I think all the doubters on bow Knicks. I think 454 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: he's so much more athletic than he gets credit for. 455 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: I said he's a right handed Steve Young, like he 456 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: just he is fast. 457 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: I watched him twice, landed Steve, it's the estem. 458 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 7: Young's one of the twelve greatest quarterbacks ever. This is 459 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 7: where you and I, Colin are just different broadcasters, because 460 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 7: a month ago you and I were in lockstep on 461 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 7: bow Knicks. 462 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: We both thought he wasn't very good. 463 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 7: And now you've got him as a right handed Steve Young, 464 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 7: and I feel pretty tethered to my previous take. But 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 7: you have none of you like Hey, new information, new games. 466 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 7: I've changed my opinion deal with in America. I don't 467 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 7: have that ability the way you do it at least 468 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 7: at least in that regard. 469 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: Here's what I will say. 470 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 7: In defense of bon Nicks. In fairness to bow Knicks, 471 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 7: I thought the Chiefs game that he played was up 472 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 7: to that moment, the best game of his career, and 473 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 7: then two weeks later I thought the Washington game was 474 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 7: the best game of his career, and then this game 475 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 7: against Green Bay was hands down the best game of 476 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 7: his career. So in the last month or so, I 477 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 7: think he has played the three best games of his career. 478 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 7: He obviously is not too scared of a big moment, 479 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 7: and the team obviously has been excellent. 480 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: All year long. I still, my. 481 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 7: Gut tells me that that Packers game is more of 482 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 7: the aberration than it's going to be the trend. But 483 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 7: I have to be fair and be open to the 484 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 7: possibility that I was wrong about him. Thus far, I 485 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 7: have been dead wrong obviously about the Broncos. 486 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: They've been excellent. 487 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 7: My gut still tells me quarterback is their weak link, 488 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 7: and even though they're gonna be the one seed, when 489 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 7: they don't make the Super Bowl, it will be because 490 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 7: of failings at the quarterback position. But he has an 491 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 7: opportunity and Sean Payton has an opportunity to prove all 492 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 7: the doubters and skeptics, of which I was one of 493 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 7: the loudest wrong. Or we're gonna look back on these 494 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 7: last four games and say that was a positive blip, 495 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 7: but a blip nonetheless, and he's more of the player 496 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 7: we saw the first ten weeks. But the game against 497 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 7: the Packers was stunning and he was excellent. 498 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: Can he do anything. 499 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 7: Close to that come the postseason, We'll see, But he's 500 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 7: trending in the right direction. 501 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: That's as far as all go. 502 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 7: You, on the other hand, have him passed fran Tarkington 503 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 7: already and. 504 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: Approaching Steve Young. So it's just different new information, as 505 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: you said, the new information. So I think there's a difference. 506 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: This league allows forty percent of the teams in the playoffs, 507 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh is when one of these teams, like, hey, 508 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: we made the playoffs four inches away. I think Kansas 509 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: City missing the playoffs a good thing. It's cold water 510 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: to the face. It's like forty percent of the teams 511 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: get in. You couldn't make it, and like in the 512 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: last three years they're like twenty fourth in big plays. 513 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: I think they got to take the boat back to 514 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: port and rebuild it. I don't think it's a tweak. 515 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: I don't think if you look at the last three 516 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: years numbers, it's a tweak. Chris Jones, Travis Kelcey, they 517 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: let go at Joe Toney left tackle. Still you're not 518 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: sure and that this is a great league. 519 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: You can do New England. You can literally go awful 520 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 3: to really good fast. 521 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's a week I think they 522 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: need their fourth best player Mahomes, Creed Humphrey, Trent McDuffie, 523 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: and you get to well, kay, Travis Kelsey had some drops. 524 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 7: Chris Jones still an excellent player. Chris j is too 525 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 7: far on Chris Joe. 526 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: So listen, this is all right. 527 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 7: You said they were twenty fourth in the league the 528 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 7: last three years in big plays. Again, I know nobody 529 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 7: wants to hear this from me right now, and I 530 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 7: wasn't going. 531 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: To go here. 532 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 7: Where are they rank in Super Bowls in the league 533 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 7: in the last three years? 534 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: I understand that. 535 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 7: Listen, this Chief season, let me be very clear, even 536 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 7: if Mahomes hadn't been hurt, this season was a failure. Okay. 537 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 7: I had held out hope that the team they showed 538 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 7: they could be against the Ravens and the Lions was 539 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 7: the team they were going to be, and then after 540 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 7: the bye they were bad every single week. They were 541 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 7: bad against the Broncos, they were bad against the Cowboys, 542 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 7: they were bad against the the Colts and lucky to 543 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 7: win that game, and then bat against the Texans and 544 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 7: against the Chargers they have a thirteen to three lead 545 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 7: going into halftime and then give away a touchdown right 546 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 7: four half like a bad team. So they deserve to 547 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 7: take their medicine here, And you are correct in this regard. 548 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 7: I think we are going to see over the next 549 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 7: few weeks Colin where numbers be damned, how much Patrick 550 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 7: was holding together on his own. I think they're going 551 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 7: to lose to the Titans. I think with the offensive 552 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 7: line with four starters or four tackles down with no 553 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 7: running game, with the issues they're having right now, and 554 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 7: Gardnermanshoe playing quarterback, you're going to see how much Patrick 555 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 7: was carrying, even though his numbers had been suffering the 556 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 7: last month and a half as well. With that set, 557 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 7: I don't think it is a complete overhaul. They have 558 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 7: rebuilt the offensive line, the left tackle they drafted in 559 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 7: the first first round was excellent. He got his wrists 560 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 7: broken and was out. The left guard is a second 561 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 7: year player who's a fine players and not great players. 562 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 7: Fine player in Suamattaya creed humper you mentioned Tray Smith 563 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 7: is that center. Right guard, right tack will be a 564 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 7: question mark. 565 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: That's one spot. 566 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 7: The wide receivers need to develop. They have spent I've 567 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 7: seen Rashi Rice be great and Xavier Worthy has great traits. 568 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 7: They need to develop on the other side of the ball. 569 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 7: They need a pass. 570 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: Rush other than Chris Jones. 571 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 7: So it's by no means, you know, a flawless team 572 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 7: right now, even a great team, But they're about to 573 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 7: have the tenth eleventh something like that pick of the 574 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 7: draft and a third place schedule, and Patrick is going 575 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 7: to come back with a vengeance. You address pass rush 576 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 7: in the draft, you sign or and or draft a 577 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 7: running back. You continue to develop your secondary the way 578 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 7: they have ever since Bags has been there, and they'll 579 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 7: be fine. 580 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 3: But listen, this is the end of a chapter. 581 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 7: It is as good of a seven year run as 582 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 7: any team in NFL. 583 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: History has ever had seven. 584 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 7: Final fours, five Super Bowl appearances, three rings. Nobody's ever 585 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 7: done better than that. Over the course of seven years. 586 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 7: You could argue the steel curtain Steelers. That's kind of 587 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 7: a Tomato Tomadel thing. They didn't make as many Super Bowls, 588 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 7: but they did win one more. But this is now 589 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 7: a new chapter and they need to see how they 590 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 7: take advantage of a better draft pick than they've had 591 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 7: in a decade, a potentially softer schedule and they've had 592 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 7: in a decade, and Patrick Mahomes post injury. It is 593 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 7: the exact same process Tom had to go through. Win 594 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 7: in his eighth year as a starter, he blew out 595 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 7: his knee. The next year they won ten games. They 596 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 7: weren't that great. The year after that they were a 597 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 7: fourteen win juggernaut. Once again, we'll see what the Chiefs 598 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 7: look like a year from now. But I think it's 599 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 7: more significant tweaks than it is total overhaul. And if 600 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 7: he's back week one next year, they will be the 601 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 7: AFC West's favorites again if Patrick's back. 602 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 3: So that's how I look at it. With chapters. 603 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: There was the bow Knicks I'd bench him chapter and 604 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: bo Nicks is now Steve Young chapter. 605 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 3: So we both talk in chapters. I mean, that's one 606 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: way to do it. I suppose that's one way to do. 607 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 3: That's why you're the greatest. That's why you're the greatest. 608 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: Okay Nick, Right, First things first, listen a new information. 609 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: Bonnick's stunk in the first month, and now he looks 610 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: pretty great to me.