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Speaker 1: Calling all my sweeties to the forefront.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Christo and this is the Keeping Positive

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Speaker 2: Sweetish Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Sweeties.

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Speaker 2: This season, we are talking about impact, not the number

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Speaker 2: of likes or the number of followers, but that deep

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Speaker 2: down legacy level of impact that leads with pure intention,

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Speaker 2: the intention that changes lives, that shifts rooms and plant

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Speaker 2: seeds and breaks generational curses. Because it's one thing to

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Speaker 2: be seen, but it's another thing to make an impact

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Speaker 2: and leave a lasting legacy. Today's guest is someone whose

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Speaker 2: voice has literally shifted atmospheres and lifted spirits around the world.

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Speaker 2: He is a worship leader, a songwriter, a visionary, and

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Speaker 2: the man behind some of the most powerful anthems in

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Speaker 2: gospel music. For nobody greater to turn it around for me.

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Speaker 2: But Sean Mitchell doesn't just sing. He ministers, and whether

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Speaker 2: you've heard him in the pews or on your playlist

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Speaker 2: or during a moment when you needed to be reminded

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Speaker 2: of who you are, you felt his impact.

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Speaker 1: His family.

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Speaker 2: Please give a warm welcome to for Sean Mitchell. What's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 3: For Sean, Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: Happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: When the team said that we were going to have

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Speaker 2: you on. I was so excited. I love your music,

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Speaker 2: so I was super excited to sit down and talk

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Speaker 2: to you. We never met since our first time, so

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Speaker 2: we get to know each other to night. Absolutely, Yes,

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Speaker 2: So tell me a little about you started the church.

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Speaker 2: You are from Chicago, born and raised Chicago, left the

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Speaker 1: Tell me that journey and how you got there.

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Speaker 4: So you know, growing up in Chicago, I was always

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Speaker 4: around gospel music. Yes, you know, Opportunity Walker to Thomas

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Speaker 4: with Thomas Wiffield and all the great skill who have

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Speaker 4: been through there. I became attract to gods some music

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Speaker 4: at an early age. It's something I wanted to do,

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Speaker 4: but I didn't know if I was good enough to

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Speaker 4: be honest, really, yeah, so why when I was younger,

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Speaker 4: So many others did it better than me, But I said,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know my lane, so I was trying to

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Speaker 4: be everybody else.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know who I was, So it took me

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Speaker 4: Studying the industry and studying how to write and write

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Speaker 4: a song and how to deliver a song.

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Speaker 3: I don't run like some of the people. I don't

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Speaker 4: These things, so I had to find my lane, and

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Speaker 4: it took me a while to find my lane. But

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Speaker 4: once I found it, you know, I begin to not

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Speaker 4: only hear from God, but like mastering my own lane,

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Speaker 4: you know, and not compare myself to nobody else. So

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Speaker 4: it took me a while, but I finally got there.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got there. You definitely got there.

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Speaker 2: It's funny you said that because you sound like me.

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Speaker 2: When I talked to my manager Wes, He's always pushed

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Speaker 2: me to do music.

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Speaker 1: I can get into guy, get in the studio, and

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Speaker 1: I have this.

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Speaker 2: I guess it would be an insecurity when it comes

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Speaker 2: to scene because I don't run like everybody does, and.

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Speaker 1: I want to, but my voice just doesn't do it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, why can I do that?

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Speaker 2: So like even taking voice lessons and trying to find

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Speaker 2: finding my own lane. Like you said, it's funny, I've

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Speaker 2: never heard anybody else say that. I felt the same way.

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Speaker 4: It was the best thing to do when I found

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Speaker 4: and that became the easiest path in this music industry.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So you became a minister at the age of twenty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, I minised the music at the

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Speaker 4: age of twenty.

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Speaker 1: That minister of music.

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Speaker 2: At the age of twenty, What like, what was it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't ready. I actually I wrote it a

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Speaker 4: I was about nineteen and going on twenty, and the

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Speaker 4: you talk it to me the department? I said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was doing. I've never done

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Speaker 4: the sun and student to many mentors because at twenty

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Speaker 4: did not want to touch what was God's incorrectly. So

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Speaker 4: you know, I was able to get up onto some

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Speaker 4: great mentors at the time, and I believe if it

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Speaker 4: because it was a big task to take. You know,

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Speaker 4: the church was about five thousand strong, three locations, four choirs,

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Speaker 3: It was yeah, some thinking it.

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Speaker 2: Is like a church like I grew up in with

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Speaker 2: music is like a pretty easy job. But no, this

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Speaker 2: So what were some of the roadblocks and things that

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Speaker 2: you had to learn along the way when you got

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Speaker 4: Well, one of them, and I'm probably get in trouble

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Speaker 4: for playing, is that the pastor was a musician. Oh

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Speaker 4: and he's you know, fingering. Yeah, So basically we often

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Speaker 4: clashed because I wanted to do the new school and

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Speaker 4: he had to learn the old school. That was the

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest roadblocks that I believe I overcame

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Speaker 4: once I got to know him and he got to

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Speaker 4: know me as well. That we kind of walked together

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Speaker 4: for ten years, you know together but also taking on

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Speaker 4: as the minister music of a church who had a

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Speaker 4: legacy of music already, so I felt like I was

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Speaker 4: stepped in some big shoes absolutely that were hard to feel.

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Speaker 4: So it was time, like I said before, to kind

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Speaker 4: of create my own lane. So ten years later, when

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Speaker 4: in my shoes, and.

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Speaker 3: Those shoes at that time.

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Speaker 2: At that time, absolutely I can imagine that being a

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Speaker 1: You talked about mentors that helped you make it.

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Speaker 2: Who are some of the people that you looked up

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Speaker 3: Definitely. Byron Cage.

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Speaker 4: At the time, Byron Cage was the minister music of

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Speaker 4: Pull Gospel as well. At the same time, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: then Kathy Taylor Brown or Kathy Taylor out of Houston,

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Speaker 4: their wing. And actually it's the reason why I actually

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Speaker 4: end up leaving Chicago years later, because he recommendmentted me

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Speaker 4: for a position somewhere else, And that was the beginning

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Speaker 4: of my career and the beginning of Nobody Greater.

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Speaker 3: Once I took that step to say.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well let's talk about Nobody Greater.

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Speaker 2: When you did that song, did you have any idea

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Speaker 2: of how big it was gonna be? We played it

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Speaker 2: before we started rolling and everybody here knows the song.

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Speaker 2: Did you imagine that it would be that big and

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Speaker 2: take you to all the places it's taken you?

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Speaker 3: I had no clue.

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Speaker 4: Basically I was I was recording what what what? I

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Speaker 4: what I heard God's say, you know, and and the

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Speaker 4: things that I want to be too deep. But at

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Speaker 4: the time, somebody else was supposed to record the song.

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Speaker 4: Just I know it was supposed to be for me

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Speaker 4: and to recorded. Yeah, somebody was supposed to record the song,

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Speaker 4: and I asked for it, and the writers the writer

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Speaker 3: Something else for you. I was like, okay, cool, so okay.

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Speaker 4: So, but two weeks before the recording, they got a

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Speaker 4: and all this of that, and if you're from my Lena,

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Speaker 4: you know uncle Maurice col Pepper. Uncle Maurice said give

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Speaker 4: me to Sean. He wanted to record it anyway, and

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Speaker 4: basically Darius foke. That's when he gave us the version

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Speaker 4: of Nobody Greater that recorded two weeks before the recording

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Speaker 4: recorded that night.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it would do with it.

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Speaker 4: It did, but it felt different that night as we

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Speaker 4: released the sound, you know, and and I tell people

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Speaker 4: all around the world that I'm glad God chose me

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Speaker 4: to carry a sound that's bigger than me because of

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Speaker 4: the sound that people sing all over the world, different languages,

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Speaker 3: It changed atmospheres. I could never do that.

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Speaker 4: It just chose me to carry it to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I love that, you know that, because sometimes I feel,

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Speaker 1: It's easy to get caught up in like, oh my God,

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Speaker 1: I did this.

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Speaker 2: I did this, But understand no, I'm just a vessel

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I would love to like I can't imagine like the

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Speaker 2: energy and the spirit in that room that night, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was something I will always remember.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I recorded many times before that, right, but

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Speaker 4: this one night, this one song changed my career, changed

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Speaker 3: It changed my reach.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, in.

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Speaker 4: Seven minutes basically like it shifted the atmosphere. But it

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Speaker 4: also answered the prayer that I've been praying for a

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Speaker 4: before I recorded Nobody Greater a year before that, I

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Speaker 4: but that year Richard small Wood sing on the second

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Speaker 3: So I was giving a glimpse of what will happened

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Speaker 3: for me a year and a half later, I want

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Speaker 3: to do it. I had my own seat, my own

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Speaker 3: little face on that and.

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Speaker 1: Did you take a picture I did. Yeah, take that moment.

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Speaker 4: And just just to go from a seat filler to

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Speaker 4: a six time winner in two years, God was proving himself.

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Speaker 4: You know absolutely what I said and what I showed

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Speaker 4: you will come to pass, but when you're ready for it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, when I wanted I wasn't ready.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I would have took God to the wrong places. I

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Speaker 4: When I wanted it, I wasn't ready. But I'm glad

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Speaker 4: he did it for me when I was ready.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Take me to that journey and what that was like

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Speaker 2: from going from c Fieller to six time winner after that,

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Speaker 1: What did it feel like?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever have like imposter syndrome or like, wait,

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Speaker 4: I think we should continue to break bridge the gap.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, I think Yolanda received it, Kirk Donnie.

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Speaker 3: It's not like it happened all the time.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be the beginning of a deleting

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Speaker 2: I feel that, Yeah, that's so true. And I love

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Speaker 2: But I support all creatives, you know, and I champion them.

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Speaker 2: But it's I got so many phone calls the next

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Speaker 3: I know you what I said.

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Speaker 4: He was like, We've just been talking about this like

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Speaker 4: what is contemporary gospel? What is hip hop gospel? Realistically?

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Speaker 4: To be honest, this is a bet these hip hop show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's so true.

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget. I was in New.

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Speaker 4: I get to sound check and I see all these seats,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, I'm thinking some people may

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Speaker 4: It was me and CC wingstead up and literally two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was absolutely amazing. I never forget it.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: What is something about you that people would be surprised

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Speaker 4: I don't know what social media now, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Ish me too. I'm the biggest introvert extrovert.

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Speaker 4: So after everything is over and I'm done whatever, I

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Speaker 4: So I think watching me on social media, watching me

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Speaker 2: It, But yeah, I think as creators, that is our outlet.

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Speaker 4: I love hiking and stuff because it's like my me time. Yes, atmosphere,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure, that's so good. So you have

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a way maker. And so we got

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Speaker 3: And that's what it was all about for me.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel that that it's like even like

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's great.

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Speaker 4: It's taking and I said, you know him to say,

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Speaker 4: it's like taking Jesus to places that we can't really

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Speaker 3: And let me just say that.

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Speaker 3: Of the church.

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Speaker 4: And we speak excited because it's taking gospel to mainstream

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Speaker 3: That's what gospels. Everyone needs inspiration. And I'm excited looking

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Speaker 2: Everyone is looking for hope. They're looking for that source

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Speaker 2: Jaquelin Carr actually did a movie with her.

447
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 1: She's so freaking talented. Love her.

448
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,720
Speaker 2: How do you know when you hear a song, do

449
00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,879
Speaker 2: you hear the voice like that's Jacquelin, I need to

450
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,240
Speaker 2: call her, or this is Donnie. How do you know,

451
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,920
Speaker 2: like this is the person for this song and it's right.

452
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 4: So I love to hear this, right. So I started

453
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 4: out as a songwriter. I didn't really think I could

454
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 4: sing all the way back in the day. So I

455
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,119
Speaker 4: can write a song, right, but I could write a

456
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 4: song for other people. I can hear that voice or

457
00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 4: hear them say something, and I'm writing a song for him.

458
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 4: So you know, I did a song with Israel before,

459
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,359
Speaker 4: I've done this song with you know, just Fantasia and

460
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 4: her mom and all this over the years.

461
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: Because I heard them before. I heard them basically.

462
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,320
Speaker 4: And just luckily, and I thank God for this favors

463
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 4: that when I called them. Everyone always say yes, yeah,

464
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 4: always sy yes. But being a songwriter who hears, I

465
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 4: think it's been my superpower, you know, beyond singing anything else.

466
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 3: And I always say I'm a songwriter first.

467
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that.

468
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 2: With all your success, how has that shifted the way

469
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,760
Speaker 2: that you create music?

470
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 1: From going from that first album to now? How has

471
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 1: it shifted?

472
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 4: So I've been doing music now, even the first off,

473
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 4: I'll go back to my church. I've been doing music

474
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,399
Speaker 4: for over about thirty years now right as I've written

475
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 4: some of the some of the greatest church songs and songs.

476
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 4: So now where I'm now is that I want to

477
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 4: embrace sounds and present new writers. So the music I'm

478
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 4: working on now, like I didn't write one hundred percent,

479
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 4: I wrote, you know, fifty percent, yeah, yeah and down

480
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 4: giving a chance. But it's also stretching me, you know,

481
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: so we're helping each other.

482
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

483
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 4: I'm actually recording EP right now and I probably wrote

484
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 4: fifty percent of it wanted to writers. This is the

485
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 4: first time getting a placement. Wow, And I'm excited because I've

486
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 4: always been like that bridge for other artists in some

487
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 4: type of way, and I can't stop it. Like, yeah,

488
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,719
Speaker 4: always kinda been that bridge to kind of help other

489
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 4: artists in summery.

490
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Speaker 2: You have a foundation on the Gospel Heritage Foundation. Is

491
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: that a big part of the reason why fifty of

492
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 2: the songs were written by other people?

493
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 1: I love that what made you decide to create that foundation?

494
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,120
Speaker 3: So I actually took on the foundation from someone else.

495
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 4: Doctor Tree Harrison started over twenty five years ago, and

496
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 4: it's a place that I used to go shit and

497
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 4: learn about the industry.

498
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: Right.

499
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 4: A lot of people, you know, wanted to go think

500
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 4: at musicals, but I was in the classes about publishing,

501
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 4: you know, a class about songwriting, how to present your

502
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 4: song to the right artist. So I believe that where

503
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,919
Speaker 4: we're going now and the new industry as it continues

504
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 4: to change, there has to still be an educational platform,

505
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 4: not only industry but ministry leaders as well. So that's

506
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 4: that's my heart for those who are in the industry,

507
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 4: in the ministry. I wanted to take over Gospel Heritage.

508
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 4: I can help bridge that gap in that generation. And

509
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 4: I went back to school maybe maybe seven years ago

510
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 4: to get my degree in music business and Entertainment business

511
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 4: so that I'm not just having a conversation you know

512
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 4: I have the knowledge to back it up and that

513
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 4: I don't know, I can call my professors because and

514
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 4: it's just changing so fast. And we used to just

515
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,639
Speaker 4: sing a song in church and become famous. Then we

516
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 4: go out there right right now. It is that you

517
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 4: got to understand streams. You have to understand how streams

518
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 4: go to dollars. You have to understand it's a lot

519
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 4: more to it that you know. If we don't share

520
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: it with those artists coming up, they're gonna stay lost

521
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 4: in the stream of streams.

522
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: Yep.

523
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 3: So we have to share it.

524
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that information is key and I don't

525
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 2: believe in gate heaving.

526
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Speaker 1: And one of the themes of this season is impact.

527
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 2: That's the main theme is just how can we after

528
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: every episode, what impacts are we leaving on our audience?

529
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Speaker 2: When you think about your career, in the state that

530
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: you are now, what is the impact that you're trying

531
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Speaker 2: to make in the world.

532
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Speaker 1: You know what?

533
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Speaker 4: I believe that many may not remember my name right,

534
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 4: but the songs that I've produced, written and song will

535
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 4: live forever, absolutely, and that's more important than my name

536
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 4: being remembered. That twenty years from now, somebody's pulling up,

537
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 4: nobody great here or my works are surreal or trouble

538
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: don't last all ways, and they're still being inspired and

539
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 4: encouraged because that's what this journey should be about. That

540
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: we leave, we leave a sound that have long life.

541
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you're doing that.

542
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 2: You're doing that if like if somebody doesn't know you

543
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: sing you played that, like I want to know that song? Yeah,

544
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: Like who is that? Like that your music? Definitely everybody

545
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: knows it. They know and they know your day too.

546
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: So don't think that it's so good. Gosp music is

547
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: not just an art, it's a ministry. I feel like

548
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: even speaking about just a state of music now, I

549
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: feel like it's losing that. It's becoming more of the

550
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: art and people forgetting about the ministry. What is something

551
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: that you do to make sure that, like every time

552
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: you're writing or singing it for sometimes you got different

553
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: people in the room, they maybe trying to take it

554
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 2: one way, and you're like, no, we got to make

555
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: sure we still keeping the gospel in it. How do

556
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 2: you do that and balance that in the studio?

557
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 3: You know, actually it starts before the studio.

558
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's very important that we still or I

559
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 4: still have a meditation time, my friend time that that

560
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 4: I can not allow everything in all the time, because

561
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 4: sometimes we will try to create something off of something

562
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 4: else without it being in a spiritual place right, And

563
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: I don't ever want to do that. So it starts

564
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 4: in our prayer time and medication time and just being

565
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: focused on and sure of who I am. You know,

566
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: you know I did this new song right, but it's

567
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: still true to who I am. You're donna see me

568
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: rapping because I know I can't rap, you know what

569
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you know, but you know I leave it

570
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: for others. But I still want to stay true to

571
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: who I am and not neglect the call what I

572
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: was giving.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you spoke about your grandmother being the source of

574
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: your inspiration behind your songs.

575
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: You lost your grandmother.

576
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: How did you channel that grief in creating chapter X Wow?

577
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: Well therapy first? Yeah, I needed it, I know. And

578
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 4: as much as we love God, right when those people

579
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: we love are taken from us, we still question him.

580
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 4: And as as spiritual as I am and as much

581
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: church as I've had, I still question God why now?

582
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: And And my grandmother was like my mother was a

583
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: teenageer when she had me so I used to go

584
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 4: to work with my grandmother. I was on a hit

585
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 4: while she was working and think that story. So that's

586
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: that's that's us. And and God didn't let me get

587
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 4: there in time before she transitioned, and I was upset

588
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 4: with him for a while, so I needed I went

589
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 4: to therapy. And but one thing that the therapist brought

590
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 4: back to my remembrance is that the doctor said, but Sean,

591
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 4: her heart just stopped. She didn't feel no pain, she

592
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: didn't run, no things. And the thing that her and

593
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 4: I have a discussion, she said, I don't be on no machines.

594
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 4: I won't be nobody, you know. So everything that she

595
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 4: wanted is just her heart just stopped, no pain. And

596
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 4: I believe that channeling all of that channeling from grief

597
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: to to to overcoming it, knowing that the feelings will

598
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: always be there, but you just get stronger daily. So

599
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: the chapter asked us about getting stronger daily. That's why

600
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: the whole song, you will see the goodness in the

601
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: Land of the Living, right. That don't mean it's gonna

602
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: be today, right, but you're going to see it as

603
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: long as you live.

604
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's so good. I love that. I love

605
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Speaker 1: that you went to therapy.

606
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: I love that as a Christian you were allowed to

607
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: feel your emotions, you know, because sometimes you're not.

608
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: We say you're not supposed to question God, you know, but.

609
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: You you allowed yourself to feel what you were feeling

610
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 2: in that moment. And then you went to therapy. As

611
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,239
Speaker 2: a black man in this society where you guys had

612
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: the weight of the world on your shoulders, were there

613
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: moments where you were carrying it or this might have

614
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: say a shan, you need to go talk to somebody,

615
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: or did you just do that yourself?

616
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: So both I was carrying it. It was COVID going on.

617
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 4: It was so many things at the same time. We

618
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 4: wasn't traveling as much. I was in my head. You know,

619
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: we're doing virtual services from the house, so it's like

620
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 4: all that was me in my house and and and

621
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 4: so yeah, it was all me for a while. I

622
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 4: actually was watching uh somebody ministry online. They're talking about

623
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,239
Speaker 4: how they had an in house brief therapist right and

624
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: started talking about what they do and think that sort.

625
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 4: So I ended up you know, that was actually my

626
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: inspiration to oh, this is what you need because I

627
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 4: found myself in this bubble, and I felt like there

628
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: was no way out right, so I had to So

629
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: it was both there and I had to help myself

630
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 4: get out. And I believe that even to this day,

631
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 4: therapy was probably the best because you know, you know,

632
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: unlock some other stuff too.

633
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 3: But it started off with greeed that it went to life.

634
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: So but I do believe that it is majorly important

635
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 4: for African American males who have come up, especially in

636
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 4: urban cities like Chicago like me. You know, my father

637
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 4: was not around, you know, my mom was a teenager.

638
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: And then when I did meet my father, he was

639
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: I was thirty five. He was about to pass from cancer,

640
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you want to meet me down now,

641
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. People know me on TV,

642
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: you know. So I went through all that and didn't

643
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: know that I still was processing that.

644
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 3: Yes, that was underneath the grief, right, It was a lot.

645
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: It was.

646
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: So I sit here a whole person because of therapy,

647
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: and I believe that it only gets even better as

648
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: long as we continue to pour into ourselves to fill

649
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: ourselves up again, especially those who are in ministry who

650
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: always pouring out.

651
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: Right.

652
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 4: God gives you something to pour out That's why he said,

653
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: if you lift to him up, he'll do the drawing.

654
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: But that means that we got to be filled up

655
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: as well.

656
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, what do you do to fill your cup?

657
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

658
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 4: Definitely spend time with God, right, vacation, vacation. You know

659
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 4: I said this way is that you got to come

660
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: apart before you come apart. Right with all that we do,

661
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 4: I think I was talking about earlier. You know we

662
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 4: have church now, but we have no longer one services,

663
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: three services, five locations. You know you singing five times?

664
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: You know, just come apart before you come apart. And

665
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 4: also always find something for you daily that could be

666
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: like just become the gym. Some people go golfing, some

667
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: people play basketball, whatever that is. It is a lifetime

668
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 4: gift to yourself because we can work every day for

669
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 4: everybody else. Answer everybody calls, that's right, I text, get

670
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: everybody Instagram.

671
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: But what are you doing for you every day? Keeps

672
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 3: you on the right path?

673
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so good. What is some things I know?

674
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: For me?

675
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Like you said, when you go to therapy, it starts

676
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: with the thing that you're feeling initially, but then it

677
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: the onion layers. Just keep peeling back and you're like, WHOA,

678
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was there. What's something that maybe

679
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: you can share with us that you learned about yourself

680
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: during that time that you may have suppressed so far

681
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: back that you're like, wait, I didn't even realize this

682
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: was still impagsing me today as an adult.

683
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

684
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 4: I shared it before and I don't mind sharing it again.

685
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: Is that I was living in fake forgiveness, right. My God,

686
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: my biological father, who you know, had me, he lived

687
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: two blocks away, never spoke to me all my life.

688
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: I rode past the house several years. I never knew

689
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: it right.

690
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 4: And when I met him, because I'm such a Nonsalan person,

691
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 4: you know, he had dodgs and all that, I said,

692
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 4: he was trying to explain to me why he didn't

693
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: I said, actually stopped him. I said, I don't want

694
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: to know that. I said, because I'm gad. I didn't

695
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: have a sixteen year old father anyway. So I was

696
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: being so strong. Yeah, I was actually covering my weakness.

697
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 4: So from that day for he lived for about seven

698
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: more years, and I thought I forgave him, But the

699
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 4: more I got to know him, the more that forgiveness

700
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: was fake. So I had to actually deal with that

701
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: and deal with how do you heal from what you

702
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: thought you covered?

703
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I know, like crazy enough, I know exactly

704
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: what you mean.

705
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: That's the real thing.

706
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: I never looked at it like that, but that's real

707
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: faking forgiveness because we were like I'm fine, I'm good,

708
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: like I'm good, you know, and you really not really not,

709
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, in the moments that you maybe weren't

710
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: sure about, like what's next. You know, as artists, we're entrepreneurs,

711
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: and it can be up and down. There's ebbs and flows.

712
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: What is a scripture or a quote or affirmation that

713
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: just kind of brought you back to peace and like

714
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna be okay.

715
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: It's funny because it's the first scripture I ever learned.

716
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 4: I was in the Easter play when I was a kid,

717
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: and my scripture was I can do all things through

718
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: Christ that strength.

719
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: That was my first scripture.

720
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: But I find myself going back to that scripture at

721
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: all times because it does get hard. Entrepreneur artists, I

722
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: want to stay tuned in my ministry, but I own masters,

723
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: I own this or that. I got to do these deals,

724
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: and it gets a little muggy sometimes, but we have

725
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: to always stay true to where our strength comes from.

726
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 3: And that's what it's really about.

727
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: I remember the scripture, but it's like, I have to

728
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 4: know where my strength comes from. So when I'm sitting

729
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: in a meeting, if it's a business meeting, I'm stronger

730
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: than y'all because I know, you know, if I'm writing songs,

731
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: I'm bringing my strength with me.

732
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's all things I love that.

733
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: I love that you play a huge role behind the

734
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: scenes for a lot of artists, mentoring Tashakavs, Leonard, who's

735
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: actually been on our show, Anthony Brown. What is it

736
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: like being a mentor and pouring into other artists?

737
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: You know what, I think I inherited that.

738
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: Leonard and Anthony Brown were friends of mine and I

739
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 4: saw something in them that that.

740
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: The world just needed.

741
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: You know.

742
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: It's not that they're doing nothing different, never done before.

743
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: They just needed the push.

744
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

745
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: So in producing Tasha Cobs project, you know, we even

746
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: became even closer.

747
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: I was executive producer Ethny Brown.

748
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: We became maybe closer, but it's mainly because it was

749
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: great to mentor them and still be the person they

750
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 4: call that that mentor but it was greater to see

751
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: that I will have something to do with the next

752
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: generation of gospel too, you know what I'm saying.

753
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: You know, at a lot.

754
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: Of us try to be in it for ourselves, but

755
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: I think if we're not so selfish, we're able to

756
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: pour into where gospel is going.

757
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: It would take nothing away from where we are.

758
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: And that's what anything, that's what anything.

759
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times we do we start

760
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: it's like me, me, me, me me, But helping other people

761
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: takes nothing away from what you have going on.

762
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: That is so True's room for everybody.

763
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of the next generation, if there's any advice that

764
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: you could possibly give someone who has gifts that they

765
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: really haven't tapped into or they're unsure how to go

766
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: about it, what advice would you give someone? You know?

767
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: What I would say, number one, know who you are

768
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: in God, you know, and then number one two find

769
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: out your assignment on the earth, right, because as you

770
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: walk out your assignment on the earth, you define success,

771
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: it don't define you.

772
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: So that's that's I would start there.

773
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: Because we have so many people, even myself, that try

774
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: to be everybody else, you know, But if the day

775
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: that I became very secure and who God called me

776
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: to be and what I'm supposed to be doing here. Yes,

777
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: I was able to even when I don't want to work,

778
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: and when I do, when I when I when I

779
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 4: go to the church it's ten people, and when it's

780
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: one hundred people, when it's a thousand, I know that

781
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: I am fulfilling what I'm called to this earth to do.

782
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, And that can get money when when you're

783
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: in a space like we are as celebrities and people

784
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: who are livelihood thrives off of people, you know, so

785
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: like when you're not, when them numbers in that algorithm,

786
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: algorithm in you like.

787
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Algorithm, it becomes like it can you play with your mind?

788
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: But when you know your assignment on the earth, it

789
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's one.

790
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you.

791
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 4: Know it won't always be one. But I want, Yeah,

792
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: I think I want to know how would you honor

793
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: the one? How would you handle the one? Before I

794
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: can trust you with thousands? Yes, how would you handle

795
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: the one?

796
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: You know?

797
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: And we don't think about that. We all want the

798
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: main stage, but a lot of a lot of how

799
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: I got here was a lot of non main stage moments.

800
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: Same, Yeah, you know.

801
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I appreciate the main stage even more. Yes,

802
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 4: I don't have to close out, don't you know whenever

803
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 4: you put me up first third whatever? Is that I

804
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 4: appreciate the main stage because I've had some non main

805
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 4: stage moments for a long time.

806
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said something that reminded me of a red

807
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: carpet I was. I think it was be Hip Hop

808
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: Awards and I was going and my manager at the

809
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: time was pulling me. She's like, we gotta go, we

810
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 2: gotta go in this young girl she was a reporter.

811
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: She's like, Chrystals, I please interview? Can I please interview?

812
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: And she was like, we gotta get down here. Thing.

813
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: It was like wallow, like big, like activation.

814
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: We had to get to and she was pulling me

815
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: away and like I stopped.

816
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: My manager like hold on. I was like, let me go.

817
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: I said, I need to tell I'm coming back to her,

818
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: and I said, because I remember what it was like

819
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: with nobody didn't want to talk to me.

820
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: When my publicist would go and say, hey, I.

821
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Have Christopher and Hazlet from Tyler Perry's sisters and they're like, oh, well,

822
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 2: we're waiting on a bigger It was a bigger name.

823
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: I remember what that felt like, and it didn't feel good.

824
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: It did not feel good.

825
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm going to go do this

826
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: Andy because I have a time slot, but I'm going

827
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: to come.

828
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: Back and talk to you.

829
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: And the young lady ended up like she wanted to

830
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: be an actor, ended up paying for her acting school.

831
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: Like it was somebody that God pulled me back because

832
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: it was something that I needed to do.

833
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: The assignment on the Earth.

834
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was like one of those things where

835
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: you have to remember what it was like not to

836
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: be on the main stage, remember what it was like

837
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: when people didn't want to talk to you, and make

838
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: sure you honor those people that do, even if it

839
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: is what you think is a no name or a

840
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: low outlet. We're like, is anybody ever go see this?

841
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: They need that? Yeah, something you.

842
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: Never know why they're called you back. That's how you

843
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: said that was so good.

844
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I had no idea. I had no idea, and I'm

845
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: really big on like fore and back. You know.

846
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 2: That's one thing I did learn from Tyler is that

847
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: you always when you're up, you make sure you're pulling

848
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: people up with you. Like we had somebody on the

849
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: other day, and he's like, if your business starts to

850
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: ends with you, it's not big enough. Like what are

851
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: you doing because you're not bringing nobody else up with you?

852
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: You know, the responsibility to also to pull them up

853
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: even if they don't reciprocate it. Oh yeah, not on you,

854
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 4: that's not on you.

855
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh I don't want to help nobody else on motor.

856
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: I said, you're going to cut your blessings.

857
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: Yep, And that's exactly what.

858
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: If God called you to pull them up, you put

859
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: them up. They may not ever do it.

860
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: That No, seriously, that's so true. And I was guilty

861
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: of that too, Get out my business. I was guilty

862
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: of like heartening my heart when I didn't feel like

863
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: the energy was being reciprocated. You didn't have to do

864
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: what I did for you back, but it was just

865
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: like you. You just wanted to feel appreciated, you know,

866
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: and sometimes you're not gonna get that. Sometimes they're not

867
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: going to help you back in return, you know, when

868
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: they're in a position to and you have to be.

869
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: Okay with that.

870
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: You had that so true Street saying about business, right,

871
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: that's right, speaking important to other people. Why is it

872
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: so important support back you talk about we live in

873
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 2: your industry is about poor and poor and poor and porn.

874
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: But why do you feel like it's so important to

875
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: pour back into the next generation.

876
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: Well, in anything we do, if we don't point the

877
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: next generation, uh, then we're not equipping them, yeah, you know,

878
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: like they should be, you know, so we're just throwing

879
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: them out there, right, That's what That's what I say,

880
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: And that's why I like, and I have to admit this,

881
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 4: like social media maybe with stars and you know, quickness

882
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 4: and things of that sort, but they didn't go through

883
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: uh or experience some of the things that we could

884
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: have shared, you know, and so by trying they get

885
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 4: to the roadblocks and all that. We always feel guilty

886
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: that we could have shared uh or at least help

887
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 4: with the experience of the next generation. I think a

888
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 4: lot of that is because most of us have become,

889
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: like I said, too selfish, thinking that someone is going

890
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: to surpass them, or that they're supposed to pass it.

891
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: The Bible says greater works, shure they do, you know

892
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So basically, if you did great, they're

893
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 4: gonna do great work. And then the ones out there

894
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: gonn do greater, great greater. Yeah, and it's okay because

895
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 4: it really it really God was supposed to be mainstream today.

896
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: That wasn't ten years ago, you know.

897
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 4: And if we understand the pouring of that takes us

898
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: as a whole, you know, and not just gospel, take

899
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: any industry.

900
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: The pouring of it takes us as a whole. To

901
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: the next place, we'll do it.

902
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: More right, Absolutely, I love that.

903
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: When it comes to business and how you said, you

904
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: said it from the foundation you were learning about the

905
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: business as you navigated this business.

906
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: What are some hard lessons that you've had to learn?

907
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: Read your own contracts. How many attorneys you have have

908
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 4: them show you what everything means. You know, I signed

909
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 4: something years ago that gave away all my publishing.

910
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 3: What accident.

911
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, my attorney gave it to me, went through everything

912
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: and didn't see the fine print that it was publishing

913
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. Luckily, you know, I signed the short deal,

914
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 4: so when I got to a few hundred thousand units,

915
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: they want to give me the loan form. So I

916
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: negotiated all my publishing back right and honest to buy

917
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 4: my masters and other stuff. But just understanding that that

918
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: could have went a whole other way. After all these years.

919
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: It's just you know, that's part of the reason why

920
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: I went back to school. I don't want to be attorney,

921
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: you know, any attorney, but I want to understand what

922
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: we're talking about. You have a very educated conversation. Not

923
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 4: you telling me what it is. I want to understand

924
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: what what it is. Yeah, you know, So I just

925
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: I just educate yourself on the industry, you know, educate

926
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: yourself on anything that you want to be a part

927
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 4: of that.

928
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm the same way, Like we have literally my contract,

929
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: we have the lawyer line by line, Okay, what does

930
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: this mean? Like we're going through it so I know

931
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: there's no mistake about it.

932
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: I know what I'm signing for.

933
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: That's let's talking to the artists. The other day, He's like, yeah,

934
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 4: I'm out of my deal. The just had like two options.

935
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: I said, you know, the option not to talk about it.

936
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about it. But I had explained it.

937
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: What an option is. I mean they can they can

938
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: exercuite their option. Yes, So he didn't he didn't know that,

939
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 4: and not saying in a bad way means that we

940
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: just should understand what we're shigning, what we get into

941
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 4: and how to maneuver to the best of our nights.

942
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: You know, we don't have attorneys, but we should really

943
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: know what.

944
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: We're shining for sure.

945
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: For sure, and a lot of people just like, oh,

946
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: I'll just have somebody to read over because attorney everything costs,

947
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: you know, but you'll pay the cost in the long

948
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: run if you don't, so just pay them the money, please.

949
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: That's so true.

950
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: If you could collabor with anybody who is your dream collaboration,

951
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: and it could be more than one.

952
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 4: Person to Okay, it'd be to write to tembulance tracks

953
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 4: and have Brandy singing.

954
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 3: Crazy, crazy crazy.

955
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it's gonna happen. It will definitely happen.

956
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: It will definitely happen. Do you see yourself or do

957
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: you have your own record label? You do? Okay, I'm

958
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: gonna ask you. Do you see yourself starting your own?

959
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: But you already have?

960
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: So I have, well what we call the label today,

961
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: I have an infront with the deal with another label

962
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 4: for music services.

963
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: So basically I've been on my own for.

964
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: How long?

965
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: For since two thousand and seventeen, okay, yeah, okay, but

966
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: I've always been I'd like to share this, especially with

967
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: artists watching. I've always been a revenue shared artist since

968
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 4: nobody greated not points artists, so basically explain that. So

969
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: most people who signed a deal back in the day,

970
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: they were getting points on the keep records so like

971
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 4: and some of those points on producer Right. Well, from

972
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: the time I signed a contract for the Nobody created project,

973
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: it was a percentage of the revenue, the net income.

974
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 3: So basically I've always signed those type of deals.

975
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: So even when those deals were over, the new deals

976
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: are still like sixty forty seventy thirty of.

977
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: The net right, Okay, that's smart because a lot of Yeah,

978
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: that's something I haven't really learned, and I do want

979
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 2: to learn more.

980
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: About that as I get into music.

981
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Is the points I remember back in the day when

982
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: I was doing music, all I hear was points, points,

983
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: points like you get this many points on the song.

984
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: But I never really understood what that meant.

985
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 4: If we still have those point deals with streaming, we

986
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: wouldn't we would.

987
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, streaming, Like how has that? I know

988
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 2: everybody says like artists don't really make the money that

989
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: they used to make.

990
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: You make you have to go work for it.

991
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: You got to go do the live touring to really

992
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: recoup and get the money for the most part. How

993
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: has streaming impacted the gospel industry?

994
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: Yes and no.

995
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say yes or no because I'm a master owner.

996
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: Uh streaming, Uh is it makes I would say it

997
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: makes money in my sleep.

998
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: New songs.

999
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: Definitely, you have to kind of get the traction on it,

1000
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: and it only pays, like you know, so much.

1001
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 3: For I mean thousands of all that.

1002
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: But if you're you're you are smart about it is

1003
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: that you have to have your every platform. You have

1004
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: to make sure that it is encoded the right way

1005
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 4: and that sort it can still make sense. Yeah, it

1006
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: has impacted the gospel industry, not not as much as

1007
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: people consume it more than ever greatly, But for your

1008
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: new artists who are trying to get out whatever, the

1009
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: space for them is not as open. Right, It's there,

1010
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: you know, put that misic out, but now how do

1011
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: we find it? But you get to it because you

1012
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: only got so many top teams. And then because the

1013
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 4: industry is still I don't know if I'm becoming activist

1014
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: or not, it's still putting Christian gospel in the same

1015
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 4: plate like you're at Apple Music. Some of our stats

1016
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 4: are yeah, a little bit.

1017
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: So you'll be number one in gospel on the Apple chart.

1018
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: You're number twenty nine because you're in the midst of

1019
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: the Christian gospel chart.

1020
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: So there's a reason for them doing it.

1021
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 4: But it's our platform is a little bit more diluted

1022
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 4: than it was before I started anything else.

1023
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're talking about because I go

1024
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: always go to like the Christian part on Apple Music,

1025
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: and then you have like a gospel workout playlist and

1026
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: you have a Christian workout playlist, and I'm like, oh,

1027
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: I gets two different things. But then you look at

1028
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: the hop songs and it's.

1029
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Got it. I got it all right.

1030
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: So we normally do like this or that game on

1031
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: the show, and today we're gonna switch it up.

1032
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: But Sean is with me.

1033
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: In the hot seat to see if I remember some hymnals.

1034
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: There's been a long time, so we're gonna see, all right,

1035
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: what you got it?

1036
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's not on here.

1037
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: Oh Lord, tis so sweet to trust in Jesus.

1038
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: Just to take him at this word.

1039
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 1: You better sing it, just to rest upon his promise.

1040
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: I do not remember the song.

1041
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: Just all right, We're going nothing. All right, that's good,

1042
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: that's all right. Cool At the cross.

1043
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: At the cross where I first saw that different one,

1044
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: that's all the light and the burdens of my heart

1045
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: road away.

1046
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: It was there by faith.

1047
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: I received my side and I am happy.

1048
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 3: That's how we do it, all right, all right, I'm

1049
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: gonna make you proud.

1050
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: All right, Let's say the shoes Jesus is mine.

1051
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: Oh what a fall taste of glory divine you finished air, salvation.

1052
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: Purchased by God.

1053
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 4: Going up and be reading this is that?

1054
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: This is my story. This is my story.

1055
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: This is my song, raising my safe.

1056
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Beyond all the day long? Is that the right note?

1057
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: This is my bye? Sorry, This is my song raising

1058
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: my save all the day is a duet coming on me?

1059
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: Me me met.

1060
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: Y'all be beating? All right? All right?

1061
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, one more more, Yeah, one more.

1062
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: Let's I don't know if I know all the rest

1063
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 4: of this one to help you out?

1064
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

1065
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: What can watch away my sins?

1066
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: Nothing but the blood I know, the love Gesus. What

1067
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: can make me oh again?

1068
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: Nothing but the blood of Geezus, white as snow name,

1069
00:46:53,320 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: I know nothing but the blood of Geeesus. All the

1070
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: church raised in it all right, last one, let's do

1071
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: one work that was one?

1072
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: All right, it's not out here, okay, just a little bit,

1073
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. Okay, Jesus.

1074
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: I'll never forget what you've done for me, Jesus. I'll

1075
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: never forget.

1076
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: How you said me, Jesus. I'll never forget how you

1077
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: bron me.

1078
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 3: Jesus. I'll never forget.

1079
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: No, No, all right, that's good. I don't remember that.

1080
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1081
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: I was raised Methodist, yes, so like I know the

1082
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: amazing grace and the some of them, but like, yeah,

1083
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: I was raised Methodist a right, so me not old, Jus,

1084
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: I know this one min Oh cry, wow, I need

1085
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 2: to go up.

1086
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: Now, called dude, not past me.

1087
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: I'm calling you, yay, yeah, all out.

1088
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Say yeah my uble cry. Oh that's real. Mm hm

1089
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: there's some days like that. Wow. No, that's that hard call.

1090
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: Don't pass me by, Lord, got not calling on you. Mhm. Okay,

1091
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: we need to say back to some hymnals. That's good.

1092
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: I donna have to pull my hymlo book out. Thank

1093
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: you so much.

1094
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. Please tell our audience how

1095
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: they can keep up with you. Where they can download

1096
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: your new album all the things.

1097
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 4: Absolutely dot com, met, your Facebook, Me, your Instagram, but

1098
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: Sha Mitchell sometimes on Snapchat. It's all Butshan Mitchell music

1099
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 4: available streaming everywhere you stream your music.

1100
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: Check it out. The new song make Away. It's making Away.

1101
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: Yes, let's get into it. Make sure you gotta download

1102
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: it right now. Run them streams up all the things.

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Speaker 1: When you go on the road, we would love to

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Speaker 1: support you. Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I love this. It's a great conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yes, today's Crystal's closet. I am wearing a khaki Hellsa jumpsuit.

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Speaker 2: My shoes are by Faera Gamo. I'm wearing both take

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Speaker 2: Venetta earrings of Van Cleet bracelets.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, this is the look. Get into it. I

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Speaker 1: love this piece.

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Speaker 2: From mental resilience to physical wellness, financial literacy, and spiritual alignment,

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Speaker 2: this season is your invitation to step into the fullest,

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Speaker 2: boldest version of yourself. We believe that impact is about perfection.

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Speaker 2: It's about purpose, presence, and progress. Whether it's breaking generational cycles,

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Speaker 2: healing from within, or building new blueprints for success. Our

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Speaker 2: mission is clear to equip you with the tools, truths,

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Speaker 2: testimonies that leave a lasting imprint on your journey.

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Speaker 1: This isn't just a talk shower podcast. It's a movement.

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Speaker 2: One conversation at a time, we are shifting mindsets, unlocking potential,

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Speaker 2: and reminding you that your life was meant to make ways.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about what really changes us and let's keep

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Speaker 2: it real and always let's keep it positive.

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Speaker 1: Sweetie with Impact