1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: All media. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: When you're bilingual, there are certain things that just don't 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: translate in a lot of ways. English just doesn't have 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: the words that communicate fully the idea. I know that 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: there's a there's a word in German that essentially means 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: like a punchable face, like you guys know people that 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: just have a face that like this face needs to 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: be punched. I know in Spanish there's a one word 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: for it. You know, your first day of school clothes, 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: like you know, you use a kid You was like, yo, 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: this is the dopest outfit I got is my first 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: day of school. 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: There's a word for it. 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: There's a particular word for your first day of school clothes. 15 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: And English just doesn't have stuff like that, unless you 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 2: talk about black people English. We be having in phrases 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: that communicate exactly not only what the word says or means, 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: but what it feels like. And some of them words 19 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: ain't even words like mm hm, y'all know exactly what 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: that means, or. 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: Like we masters of it. 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: But every once in a while, there's too many options 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: in your grab bag to actually communicate what you're trying 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 2: to communicate. And this is one of those moments. I 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,919 Speaker 2: think there are. We've talked about it before. There are moments. 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: There are so many ways to say Black people say 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: like myn you own business, and that we do in 28 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: ways to say that we mind our own business. There 29 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: are so many ways to say we think what you're 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: doing is stupid. You better than me, You got a chief. 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 2: Oh man, if you like it, I love it. These 32 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: are always to say what you're doing is dumb. They 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: communicate not only what we mean by that, but how 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: we feel about it when we say one of those things. 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, this morning, I got up 36 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: and I had to hit the group text. I had 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: to ask the homies, what's the blackest way to say 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that you don't know, so you honestly 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: do not know something. Because a lot of times there's 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: ways to say that that's sarcastic, but when you generally 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: honestly don't know one, I'm just like, man, I don't 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: even know. Your guess is as good as mine, nigga, 43 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. One of them is just 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: where you just rub your chest. You just be like, uh, 45 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: that's what Moskie said. 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: L Cray was like, I don't even know with an M. 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: But I think we all agree the blackest way and 48 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: actually the most accurate way to not only say what 49 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: we need but communicate how we feel about it is shit. 50 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: I can't call it. 51 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chevron deference hood politics, y'all. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, 52 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: welcome to another addition to the politics. It's raining out here. 53 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: I got the incense burning. I'm so far ahead of y'all, 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: like as to when this episode's coming out, I mean, 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: this episode probably not gonna come out for a month 56 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: from when I'm recording it. So this might be old 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: news for a lot of y'all. But Rondi Santis is 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: deed out, you feel me. He sat on the bench realized, 59 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: like they ain't gonna work. You can't work. You can 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: never be a JV version of somebody else. That's just 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: that's just the rule. You can't be a JV version, 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: there's no You cannot be a Kirkland brand of something else, 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 2: you know, and which is no dis to Kirkland brands 64 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: because as a side note, if you've ever had Kirkland 65 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: brand alcohol in spirits, they're actually name brand things, just 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: white labeled. You know what white labeled is, right, so 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: you go get they get the recipe. Like the Kirkland 68 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: brand whiskey is actually it's makers mark. 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: You know. 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: They just had them make a mash and sold them 71 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: the recipe and that's it. So like, don't don't don't 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: feel bad about getting Kirkland whiskey because it's actually high 73 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: end whiskey. 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: Anyway, what was I talking about? Rondy Santa's gone. 75 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: You can't be a Kirkland brand anything, can't be the 76 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,839 Speaker 2: JV version of somebody else. 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: You gotta be the varsity you, which is like words 78 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: to live by. Amen. 79 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: My mom used to say, be who you is because 80 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: who you ain't ain't who he is. She says she 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: got that from somebody, My mom from you know, Southeast DC, 82 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: you know, back when it was Chocolate City. 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: So she got it from one of them old men 84 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 1: over there. But either way, be who you is because 85 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: who you ain't ain't who he is. Ron D. 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: Santis is out. He wasn't who he is. He trying 87 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: to be somebody doing Trump impression the whole time. And 88 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: y'all remember how you try to launch his campaign on 89 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: Twitter spaces kept crashing. He was over before it started. Anyway, 90 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: this is probably old news for y'all. I may have 91 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: to even replace this section with something else that's a 92 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 2: little mold up to date because time be moving real fast. Well, 93 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: time moves at the speak, time always moves. I'm rambling, 94 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: But we got to talk about this Fisherman's case and 95 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: Chevron deference, and this is a more of a Supreme 96 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: Court issue, and you got to understand how the Supreme 97 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: Court work. So we're going to put our learning hats on, 98 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: and I'm considering doing like a little Homy politics, which 99 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: is like hood politics, but you know, shorter and clean 100 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: that you could use in the classroom and pot the kids. 101 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: And this might be one of those ones that I 102 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: need to do that for. I got it from the 103 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: show called Ologies, which is just this science show, super 104 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: dope about people who are study any sort of ology. 105 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: She has one she has a series called Smologies where 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: she does shorter versions for kids, where it's the same 107 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: stuff that you could play with your children. Me and 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: my eight year old been burning through them. So I'm like, 109 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: I need to do this for hood politics called love 110 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 2: Homy politics. 111 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: You feel me? Okay? 112 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: So Chevron deference, the fact that it might end. Why 113 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: is it called Chevron, Why is it so important? And 114 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: what does this mean for the future, and why is 115 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: this even called she I can't call it. 116 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: Let's get to it comfort, all right. We've done a 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: bunch of episodes on Supreme Court. 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: We talked about like them getting involved in stuff, them 119 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: not wanting to get involved in stuff. 120 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: The concept of what. 121 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: The judicial branch was supposed to be a little bit 122 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: of a rewind about that. Like the hope in its 123 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: design and concept was to have the judicial branch as 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: far away from the democratic process as possible, because you 125 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: don't want them to be You want them to be 126 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: as objective as possible, Like you are interpreting the law. 127 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: And if you got to worry about being elected into 128 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: your position, like in the democratic way, then your allegiance 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: is not to the law. Like think about this. Your 130 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: allegiance is not to the law. It's to the people 131 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: that elected you. Which is why politicians act the way 132 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: they act. Why they flip flop, why they you know, 133 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: which isn't it's not that peer but like in concept, 134 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: I mean they flip flop because money, obviously you know 135 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and power, money power. Respect is the 136 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: key it alive. The idea is you're supposed to do. 137 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: You're supposed to be, in concept, servants to the people 138 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: that elected you. The judicial brands is supposed to be 139 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: servants to the Constitution. So that distinction in design is important. 140 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: Right. 141 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: That's why judges ain't voted on. They're selected by elected officials. 142 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: They're supposed to not have to worry about running for reelection, right, 143 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: because that was going to sway the way that they 144 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 2: make the choices that they make. And then all the 145 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: way up to the Supreme Court, which is we did 146 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: this whole thing. You remember the y'all don't sign my 147 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: check or Marionnate my Chicken episodes where it's like, I'm 148 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: not even concerned about what anybody think about what I do. 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: And that's why, like a lot of times, Supreme Court 150 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: justice is like you never you never really know only 151 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: time they historically, the only time they talk was when 152 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: you would hear their their reasoning for their choosing, for 153 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: the for the way that they fell on a particular issue, 154 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: and then the dissent. But you don't know these people 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: until later, you feel me until they're done. And that's 156 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: why they stay in that position until they die or 157 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: until they step down themselves. It's because you supposed to 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: be Why why it's like what I do is not 159 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: your concern, is none of your business. 160 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm not even worried about you. 161 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: Is because by design, of course this isn't in practice 162 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: like we all know, but by design it's supposed to 163 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: be far enough away from the voters. I don't care 164 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: what you think, nigga. Is what the law say. This 165 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: what we believe the law say. Okay, how you feel 166 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: about it, I don't care what's going on. But of course, 167 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 2: as we know, in practice, the Supreme Court is used 168 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: as battering rams for part in politics, which is the 169 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: world we live in now, a conservative court or a 170 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: liberal court, right, and then those issues get to be 171 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: the things that when you run for office you get 172 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 2: to say, all the problem I. 173 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: Already got these activist judges. 174 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: You know, so for most of my life, that's what 175 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: the Republicans were saying. What the conservative world was saying 176 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: was like, the judges are activists now, and they're forcing 177 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: their removing traditional family values from us. Right, They're not 178 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: upholding the Constitution, They're forcing their liberal agendas on us 179 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: by putting activist judges who are supposed to just be 180 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: interpreting the Constitution. Well, my ma ma had the tables 181 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: of turn at i e. 182 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade being overturned, i e. 183 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: The fact that it's the six y three leaning conservative 184 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. Now, what the Supreme Court is supposed to do, 185 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: like we said, is interpret things. But there are sometimes 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: that they like, shit, I mean I don't know. I 187 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: mean it's up to the Congress. Right, Congress writes the laws. 188 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: We don't. 189 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: We just we're just trying to say whether the law 190 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: makes sense or not or if what you're doing applies 191 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: to that. 192 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: But shit, I ain't. I mean, I don't know. You 193 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: got to ask them. 194 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: You are read when we talked about the Internet one 195 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: a few episodes back. We talked to a few episodes 196 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: back a while ago that they was kind of decide 197 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: a case about a case. 198 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Against Google where there was like, I don't know, nigga, 199 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,599 Speaker 1: ask Congress. 200 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: Right, like it's Google liable for their algorithm that might 201 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: work to radicalize somebody to commit some sort of terrorist act. 202 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: And the Congress was. 203 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: Like sheit, I don't know, Like, uh, is it our 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: place to decide that? Like what's an algorithm, you know 205 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. There was like, look, ask your mother, 206 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. You asked the Congress like 207 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: that's is this our place to describe decide this? Basically 208 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: because the laws around the internet were ambiguous, and when 209 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: they's when the laws need clarity, that's usually when you 210 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: go to the courts. But the courts are like, I mean, 211 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: I don't we need to ask. We need to defer 212 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: to experts, which is where you get the term deference, Right, 213 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: I am deferring to something else. And Chevron deference is 214 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: based on a case which we will talk about right now. 215 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: So let's set it up. So in Maine right now, 216 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: this is the case they're looking at. Well, I don't know, Well, 217 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: it's probably not decided by now, even though, you know, 218 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: because courts move pretty slow these days, so they probably 219 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: still The news is probably done talking about this, but 220 00:11:37,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: let's talk about it now. What seems is, though this 221 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: would be just a regular ass local why does anyone 222 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: else care? 223 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: Kind of case has to do with these fishermen. 224 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: Now, Fishing, just like hunting, is regulated so that you 225 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: don't overhunt and you don't overfish. That type of regulation 226 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: for anybody that's in that field. Most people, now, I know, 227 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: some like Montana head ass dudes hunt ducks, hunt bucks, 228 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: like I mean, the reddest of necks who like you know, 229 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: think veganism is sinful, like just just in that sense. 230 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 2: But they got sense enough to know that overhunting is 231 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: a problem. 232 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: That they're like, you buy the tags. 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: Right, You only get a certain amount of tags if 234 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 2: you're catching fish. There are some fishing spots that are 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: catching release because if you overfish then they're all gone 236 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: and they're in their way. They're like, no, this is conservation. Why, 237 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: Like you can't you can't kill all the dear nigga 238 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: like cause. 239 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: Then they all gone cuzz Like that's absurd. 240 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 2: They understand logically that yes, there are some types of 241 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: regulation now. Now, don't let the most extreme wing of 242 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: the right wing conservative Republican Party fool you that people 243 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: think they just want to shoot it all up. Most 244 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 2: folks who live outside, like that Ney version of outside, 245 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: understand that, I. 246 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: Mean, you kind of need some kind of need some admin. 247 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: You feel me like you do, because the ain't gonna 248 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: be no more fish right now. If you're a commercial fisher, 249 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: like over there in the Atlantic and stuff. 250 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: It's the same thing. 251 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: They like, nigga, you can't you fish the ocean dry, 252 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: like we out of a job. 253 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Cud like that don't make no damn sense. 254 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: They understand things like that people would consider liberal issues 255 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: like food chain. You feel me within it and the 256 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: fact that like you got it, like it's a delicate 257 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: They get it. 258 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: It's a delicate balance in the ocean. 259 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: You can't kill all the tuna, nigga, Like, if you 260 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: take all the tuna, you feel me then, or if 261 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: you take all the tuna's food, if you fish out 262 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: everything the tuna eat, nigga, didn't the tuna gonna die or. 263 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: They gonna leave. 264 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: They get it, Like there is a place for regulation. 265 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 2: Everybody understands that, even in that world. So for decades, 266 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: nobody has had in that world any real problem with 267 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: being Like every year fed send a suit down to 268 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: come out and go fish with us, to make sure 269 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: that we're not overfishing, that we're meeting our quotas, and 270 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: we're doing this in a humane way. We're not dropping 271 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: too much pollution into the water. They get it, because 272 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: if you pollute the water, nigga, we're out of a job. 273 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: Like this just it's that logical. 274 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: So most of them really got no problem with the 275 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: regulation what happened recently though, And of course, you know 276 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: you gotta pay for these tags, like that's part of 277 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: and you understand that's cost of business. There's a certain 278 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: fee you have to pay, which everybody understands. 279 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 280 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: You just build that into your catch and you just 281 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: hope that your catch is that good. But it jet's 282 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: the cost of businesiness. Like everybody understands that in whatever 283 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: field you are, there are certain things that just they're 284 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: just it's just the cost, like it is what it is. 285 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: You know, this isn't We're not a hunter gatherer society 286 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: no more like you feel me like, this is a 287 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: commercial supply chain, late stage capitalism. 288 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: There's fees. 289 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: But something changed in twenty twenty. And what happened in 290 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty was not only are you paying for your tags, 291 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 2: now you have to pay a fee to have the 292 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: guy on your boat, the guy that comes and make 293 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: sure that you're following the directions. So if you're a fisherman, 294 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: you're like, yo, let me get this straight. I'm required 295 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: to have this guy on my boat. I'm required to 296 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: pay a fee for the quotas, and now I have 297 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: to pay your employee, you making me have them come 298 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: out on my boat. And now I gotta payd a 299 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: salary for the day. Like what do y'all pay for? 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: But then what is my tas paying for? So I 301 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: gotta pay your employee. That's your employee. You're like this, okay, 302 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: So there's the registration fee, and then I gotta it 303 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: would be like okay, if to get my driver's license, 304 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: I gotta pay a certain fee. I get it, but 305 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: then I gotta pay the person that's doing the I 306 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: gotta go to the DMV and pay the person's salary 307 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: for the person that's doing that. So the guy that's 308 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: in my car with me for the drivers, I gotta 309 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: pay that guy too. That don't make no damn sense. 310 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: Why do I got to pay that person's salary? What? Then? 311 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Who does this person work for? I thought they work 312 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: for the government agency. If I'm paying them, then that 313 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 2: mean they work for me. But but there's no other 314 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: option because now I can't do my job unless I 315 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: pay this person. 316 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: So if you're a fisherman, you like this way. 317 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: Hold up, First of all, when did this rule become 318 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: a rule, like you get to just change the rules 319 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: number one and number two. 320 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: What you charging me is outrageous. 321 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: You ask the fishermen, they like it kind of breaks 322 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: down to about like five g's because you have to 323 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: do it over the course of because people got to 324 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: be there over the course of like four five a's. 325 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: And if that's the case, depending on how many fish 326 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: we catch, this food that's just sitting here with a 327 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: clipboard taking notes is gonna make more than the people 328 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: actually doing if you're gonna make more than my employees, 329 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: because I only get paid with what I catch. So 330 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: if I go out today and we won't catch nothing, 331 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: all of my fishermen understand that, like, oh, we just 332 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: didn't make nothing today because I'm not holding no money 333 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: from you. 334 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: Nigga is no fish, so I couldn't pay you. 335 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: But I still gotta pay this person regulating no matter what, 336 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: no matter what we catch, I gotta pay them. Now. 337 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: Me as an artist, I can relate to that because 338 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: when you go out on tour, my money is based 339 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: on ticket sales and sponsors and stuff like that's what 340 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: I make. But that's not my DJ's job. That's not 341 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: the drummer in the band's job. The band gets a 342 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: day rate, So whether we sell tickets or not, I 343 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: still got to pay the DJ. 344 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: It's not his job, a not her job. It's my job. 345 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 2: It's my job to generate the funds, and that is 346 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: part of a contract. Now I'm okay with that because 347 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: I employ them. But if Live Nation was like but 348 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 2: there's also a dude that has to come that works 349 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: for Live Nation and be on tour with you, and 350 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: you got to pay them five hundred dollars a day 351 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: whether you make tickets or now, I'm like, fam, why 352 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: like you saw, the building was only we only sold 353 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 2: half the tickets, and so now I have and now 354 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: I can't pay my drummer because I have to pay you. 355 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: That's absurd, fam. 356 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 2: You already own all the venues, and you own the 357 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: ticket selling app. You taking a percentage of the tickets, 358 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: You take a percentage of the door, you own the building, 359 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: you own the promoter, and now I gotta. 360 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: Pay your regulatory dude. You trip it. 361 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: And as far as fishermen concerned, they like this sound 362 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: the illegal. You can't just change the rules on us, 363 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: like that's crazy, So they took them to court. Now 364 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: the question is why would you care? Le's talk about 365 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: that net or we're back now. Why should you care 366 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: at all about what happens with fishermen in Maine and 367 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: who got to pay for the people that come and 368 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: make sure that they don't overfish the ocean? Well you 369 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: could say you care in the sense that, like, I mean, 370 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: the ocean's on Earth, and I don't want to live 371 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: on the planet where ain't no more fish in the ocean. 372 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 2: That would be all right, but neither do the fishermen. 373 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: Why do you care who pays for what? Maybe your 374 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: fish are gonna cost more. Maybe that's why you care. 375 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: And is that the case that's being argued at the 376 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 2: dog On Supreme Court? 377 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: How to hell just make it all the way to 378 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? 379 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 2: Well, why it made it to the Supreme Court is 380 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: a question of who gets to decide what it's not 381 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: necessarily about the fish you have a You know, if 382 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: you haven't been in a relationship, especially a romantic one, 383 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: you start I remember one time and me and refer 384 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: to her by her prefix, doctor Ama was arguing over 385 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: the way that the chords under our desk was organized. 386 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: I don't like exposed chords, and she kept unplugging shit 387 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: and moving it around, and I was like, Nigga, will 388 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: you stop moving the chords? And she was like, what 389 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: the fuck are you talking about? And I was like, ultimately, 390 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: it was like it wasn't it's not about the chords. 391 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: It's not about the courts at all. It's about I 392 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: feel like she being controlling. You want everything your way, 393 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: you know. She felt like I was being petty. So 394 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: we wasn't even arguing about the courts. That's kind of 395 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: the situation like this, it's about the fish, but it ain't. 396 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: About the fish. 397 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: They're coming up to the courts saying, how come this 398 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: agency gets to just change the rules. Is there something 399 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: you can do as the courts to say this can't 400 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: be legal, Like you can't just or you can't just 401 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: change the rules like that, then what are we supposed 402 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: to do? Like there's like I'm stuck, Like it's like 403 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: gas prices and nothing you can do. You gotta just 404 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: I mean gas is what it is you have to 405 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: pay or is either that or don't drive. So there's 406 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 2: like there's got to be something we could do, Like 407 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: it's I mean, damn, you're the freaking courts man. Do 408 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: something which brings us to this idea of who do 409 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: you defer to as the experts? Because if you're the 410 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: Supreme Court, are you an expert in fish conservation? Are 411 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: you an expert in AI? Are you an expert in 412 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: the Internet? Are you an expert in gas? Are you 413 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: an expert in city zoning? No, you're an expert in 414 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: the constitution. You're an expert in the law. So you 415 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: asking me to make judgment calls on stuff, I really 416 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 2: that's not. 417 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Even my field. Shit, I can't call it. 418 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: Nigga, I don't know how many fishes should you catch 419 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 2: a day? 420 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Nigga, I don't know how many fish in the ocean? Right, 421 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't know? 422 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: Which brings us to a case that's called Chevron deference. 423 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: It's this decision, which is a case that was in 424 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four that was Chevron versus the Natural Resources 425 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: Defense Council. Why this was so important was this The 426 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: specifics of the case are the things that are going 427 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 2: to get lost in history. 428 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: It's just how it was decided. 429 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: Essentially, the Natural Resources Defense Council was basically like Chevron's 430 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: breaking the earth. You don't saying, like nigga, you're destroying 431 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: us Chevron's like, well, who the fuck are you? Like, 432 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: why do you get to say that? As a matter 433 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,120 Speaker 2: of fact, the laws you're trying to catch us on 434 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: are pretty ambiguous, like they not really clear. It's kind 435 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 2: of up for interpretation. So as far as we concern, 436 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 2: we ain't done nothing wrong. You just you just adding 437 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 2: stuff that's not even what the law say. So somebody 438 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: needs to interpret this law. And why do you get 439 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: to be the people that interpret it. It's not clear 440 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: you regulating me to death, like I can't make no 441 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: damn money, Like that's what, Like what the hell? There's 442 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: gotta be some sort of law that says that you 443 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: can't just be you can't just cripple my business. And 444 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court was like, well, fam, I mean, what 445 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: the hell do we know about this. We're not experts 446 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: on every field everywhere, So since we're not experts, it 447 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: kind of feels like maybe we shouldn't make this call. 448 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: So we're gonna listen to the case. 449 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: But as far as like the actual regulations, like I'm 450 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: gonna defer to the experts, So we defer to the agency, 451 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: the Natural Resource Agency, because I mean that state field study, 452 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: Like what do we know all we was gonna do 453 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: is ask them, because they the experts. Why would you 454 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: even want me to as a judge. You're asking me 455 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 2: like I'm a shark being judged on how well I 456 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: climb a tree, nigga, Like I don't know, Like what 457 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. So we are going to 458 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: listen to the merits of the case. But when it 459 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 2: comes to the specifics, I'm just gonna defer to the agency. 460 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: Because that's their field. 461 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: That was Chevron deference, and that's that's been essentially since 462 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, it's been forty years, Like that's been 463 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: essential standard when it comes to things like the EPA 464 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: and any other regulatory bodies that the Supreme Court is like, 465 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: DoD like, we can't be an expert on everything, dude, 466 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: Like how are we How are we supposed to know? 467 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: Like I don't, I don't know, Like shit, I can't 468 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: call it. So on the face, it seems pretty logical, right, 469 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: Like I would not want a case that like gets 470 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: into the specifics. And I think all of us saw 471 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: this when we when if you were watching all the 472 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: Google trials and when old Zuckerberg and everybody was the 473 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: only thing you remember the dude that was like the 474 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: Congress dude, that was. 475 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: Like, what are you gonna do about fenced us? What 476 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: the hell? You don't know what you're talking about? Like 477 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: if we were talking about the Internet stuff, you don't 478 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: know what. 479 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: You're talking about. What I'm gonna do it fenced us? Like, 480 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: do you know what a fence? 481 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: THEA is? No, your granddaughter told you what that is. 482 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: Fam you still got a Yahoo account like you don't 483 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: like or you can't even get into your email account, 484 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: like like. 485 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: Why should I? 486 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: You are not equipped to make laws and the Supreme 487 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: Court is not equipped to interpret those laws about shit 488 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 2: they don't know about. 489 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: You just know law shit. You don't know this shit. 490 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: So when Congress makes a law, now this is this 491 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: is this is where it's like like put your learning 492 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: caps on. When Congress makes a law, and again they 493 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: need to be by design like this. When Congress makes 494 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: a law, the law needs to be ambiguous enough to 495 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 2: make room for the future, to make room for things 496 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: that you can't necessarily predict, right, So we can't like 497 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know the future, so I can't 498 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: I have to make this law up for interpretation for 499 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: when the future comes, there might be things that we 500 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 2: can't possibly foresee coming. So I'm trying to make a 501 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: law that's open to interpretation enough it'll be able to 502 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: last a little longer. Right, Like say, for example, we're 503 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: making a law about movies and about like when movies 504 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: leave the theaters, and the Supreme Court talked about like 505 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: DVDs and VHS tapes. This isn't a law, but like, 506 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: let's just say, like the Supreme Court made a law 507 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: about VHS tapes. 508 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: Well, nigga, they're extinct. 509 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 2: There's no laws about streaming because they couldn't fathom streaming. 510 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 2: So you have to make something ambiguous enough that as 511 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: technology moves on, as the future moves on, that they 512 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: can those laws can be like still applicable. 513 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Now. 514 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: On the other hand, the people writing these laws, these congressmen, 515 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: ain't exactly altruistic. They're not looking at the purity and 516 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: being like, well, we want to make sure that we 517 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: keep up. No, they're subject to lobbyists, they're subject to money, 518 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: they subject to power, they subject to re election. So 519 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: even them writing them laws like nigga, like you deferring 520 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 2: to them as if as if they gonna be on 521 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: the up and up about the shit. So it's there's 522 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ways this could go. This is 523 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: why it's at the Supreme Court. You're not writing laws 524 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: to keep the purity of it. You write laws so 525 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 2: you get reelected. 526 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: Nigga like this. This is a corrupt system, y'all. 527 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: Well, it's the Supreme Court's job to interpret these laws 528 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: that the Congress put together. The problem is when aw 529 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: is ambiguous enough and is up for interpretation because it's 530 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: not that clear. That's when it goes to the courts. 531 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: This law isn't clear, Like we don't I don't know 532 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 2: specifically what you. I don't know what to I don't 533 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: know what to do, like my here's an example with 534 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: my children, like our rule in our house, because I 535 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: don't believe in power struggles with children. Like if I'm 536 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: in a power struggle with my child, I've already lost, 537 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: because I shouldn't be in a power struggle with somebody 538 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: that don't pay no bills in my house. But also 539 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: I shouldn't be power hungry. I'm not about that. But like, 540 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: there are things that are very simple. There's no deserts. 541 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 2: If you don't finish your vegetables, that's easy So if 542 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: I cook a meal for you and I'll make you 543 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: some asparagus, you get up, remove the asparagus from your plate, 544 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: go get some carrots, and sit back down. I'm outraged 545 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: the girl, What the hell is you doing? In case 546 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: you don't know, I'm black, You eat what I give you? Like, No, 547 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: I don't understand. What the hell is you doing? Well, 548 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: the law was ambiguous. The law said vegetables. Carrots are vegetables. 549 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 2: I prefer carrots over asparagus. She got a point. The 550 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: law wasn't clear. I could not have foreseen that. She Now, 551 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: I could have asked her which vegetable she preferred. But again, 552 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: I'm black. Our children don't get choices. 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Just kidding. We need to change that. Yeah, I should 554 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: have checked. 555 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: But either way, the law was ambiguous enough to where 556 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: now it's like, well, this is up for interpretation, and 557 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: I'm interpreting carrots as a vegetable. She's right, So we 558 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 2: defer to mom who wrote the law. When a law 559 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 2: is that Congress makes is a little ambiguous or up 560 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: for interpretation, and it goes to the courts because there's 561 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: now a situation where like somebody needs to decide what 562 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 2: it is and the highest court is the Supreme And 563 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: what Chevron deference says is, look, dude, this law, like, 564 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: you're right, it is up to interpretation. But I'm not 565 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: an expert in this field, so I'm going to defer 566 00:29:48,840 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: to the experts. So this case with the fishermen are 567 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: is not necessarily about the fishermen. It's about who gets 568 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: to say what it's Chevron deference really fair. Now, So 569 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 2: how it works in practice is you stand before the 570 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: Supreme Court. If you don't know how the Supreme Court works. 571 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: It's not like a TV trial. The Supreme Court doesn't 572 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: work like that, where it's not law in order where 573 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: you get to be like objection sustained defendants and stuff 574 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: like that. No, what it is is, especially in this situation, 575 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: this is actually a perfect example about it. They're arguing 576 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: the legality of the precedence or of the law that's 577 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: being challenged. So you have one side court of this 578 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: court room, the fishermen that are essentially like yo. They 579 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: don't get to just change the rules on us, like 580 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: why have you given them so much power? Which is 581 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: the ultimate question. It's not even about the fish. It's 582 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 2: about the fact that, like yo, you're the judge, you're 583 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: the law, you're the courts. If you just say, well, damn, 584 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna defer to them about what it is, 585 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: you just get like, they're not even elected officials. They're 586 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: pencil pushers. They're not even selected officials. They just pencil pushers. 587 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, when the administration changes, right 588 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: every four years, they gonna have a whole new agenda, 589 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: They're gonna have a whole new people that work there. 590 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: So you defering to them, but them niggas gonna change 591 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 2: their mind depending on who in office. So like, why 592 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: would you do why would you just defer to them? 593 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: They're not even who are Like? Who are they? Like? 594 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: Why are you calling them experts? They just got a 595 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: job because of who's president. Right now, that's the fishermen's argument, which, unfortunately, 596 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: like everything else, breaks partisan. Right, this is the at 597 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: this moment in our lifetime, the conservative position. They call 598 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: it the administrative state. Like you know how right now 599 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: the conservative world doesn't want regulations about anything, and they're 600 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: using this as one of their battering rams. Right, So 601 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: this is the conservative position. So you get dudes like 602 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh, the on the Supreme Court, right now kind 603 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: of saying the same thing where it's like, well, first 604 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: of all, we haven't used chevron deference. 605 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how long. Now. Remember this wasn't they 606 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: song earlier? 607 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 2: They used to be mad that the court's got to 608 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 2: decide stuff, you know that, But they now that they 609 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: up you know, they want the courts. 610 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: To decide you feel me, But that's how politics works. 611 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: On the other side, the people that are for like 612 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: the state that's for chevron defference is like, bro, We've 613 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: been doing this for forty years and it just makes sense. 614 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 2: You can't POSSI be an expert on everything, Like, there's 615 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: no way y'all know. This is their field. This is 616 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: what they do. Like what do you know about what 617 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 2: do you know about phishing? Like what do y'all know 618 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: about this? You know about the law? You was in 619 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 2: a library. You wasn't outside with us, You was in 620 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: a library, So it only makes sense for you to 621 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: one not break precedence. 622 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: Then that's what I mean. 623 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: Then now what y'all all about like not breaking precedence 624 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: and then and the precedents, Like, dude, it makes sense. 625 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 2: There's no way you could know about this. The law's 626 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: ambiguous on purpose. Because none of us can predict the future, 627 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: you should at least put some weight on people that 628 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: actually study this stuff. Now we're not saying to let 629 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: them make your decisions for you, but what we're saying 630 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 2: is they know the shit better than you do, so 631 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: just like use it. It's for your advantage, like this 632 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: is their job, which is ultimately what the Supreme Court 633 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 2: case is about. It's not even about the fishermen, it's 634 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: about chevron deference. Who gets to decide what? And what 635 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court does isn't just listen to go uh 636 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: huh uh No, they get to be annoying little children 637 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: and what if you to death? 638 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: What do I mean by that? 639 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 2: They they their job is to listen to your argument 640 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: and do their best to poke holes in it by 641 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 2: just asking what if question? 642 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: Like your children, do you know? What if what if this? 643 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: Well? 644 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what if? Yeah? 645 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: But what if I tried to do this like kids 646 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: do all the time. But what if I can't find 647 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 2: a pencil? Well, what if I can't find the broom? 648 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: Well what if we're out of comment? Well what if 649 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 2: there's no soap in the bathroom? That's the job, because 650 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: what they're trying to see is does your argument stand 651 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 2: a stress test? 652 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. 653 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: Like, so, so when you say on the conservative side 654 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: that like chevron deference is wrong, like you shouldn't be 655 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: able to do this your a media example I brought 656 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 2: it up before, is like what about like, say, for example, AI, 657 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 2: what do we know? 658 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: We could barely open our emails? 659 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 2: You really want us to like why would we not 660 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: refer to people work in that field we make? We 661 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 2: have there's laws about the internet right now, but remember 662 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: when we made the Internet, we didn't even know you 663 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: could buy things online? Like, how are we supposed to 664 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: know when we look at this this law? How is 665 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 2: Congress supposed to know that's why they make the laws. 666 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: How are we supposed to know? We can't predict the 667 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,479 Speaker 2: future electric cars? I don't make electric cars. I barely 668 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: understand them. Why would we not check what experts about it? 669 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: So you want me to decide on this Fisherman thing 670 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: and think chevron difference isn't fair? But like, well, how 671 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: are we supposed to judge things like AI? 672 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: Right? 673 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: So you challenge it, right, And then on the other side, 674 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: the defense side, that's like, yo, this is forty years precedence, 675 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 2: Bret Cavanugh and was like, nigga, we haven't used this 676 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 2: into fifteen years. 677 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 1: We won't even use it. It's basically dead. You feel me. 678 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 2: And like I said before, it's like, well, when the 679 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 2: administration changes, like what are we supposed to do? To 680 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 2: which people could respond like, well, fam, there's like eighty 681 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 2: federal judges. It's like, you're you're creating chaos here, right, 682 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: because if Maine says, okay, forty fish a day, but 683 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 2: Florida says four hundred fish a day, like what it like? You? 684 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: We need somebody to come in here and be like, no, 685 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: this what it is, to which the Republican side was like, no, 686 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 2: you making Chevron defference, making us defer to the agency 687 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 2: is actually creating the chaos because the agency is going 688 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 2: to change every four years, so it's their job to 689 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: poke at your arguments. Who's right, shit, I can't call it. 690 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: Who gets to decide and based on what foundation is 691 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 2: the right thing to do? Now, this has humongous implication 692 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: because remember, the courts traditionally never want to break precedents. 693 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: They don't Nobody ever wants to be the first nigga 694 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: to do something because of how the how fragile the 695 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 2: law is. At one point, I'm gonna do this episode 696 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 2: on like the thin vine year theory, but like how 697 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 2: fragile all of this stuff is, and how when laws 698 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: are on the books they become so foundational to other 699 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: laws and precedents that we start doing like say, for example, 700 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 2: if you playing Jenga, like if I pull this law 701 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: from forty years ago. 702 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: And it's like, yo, it's unconstitutional. 703 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 2: You done messed up everything we've done built on top 704 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: of it, Like the whole thing kind of topples. So 705 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: people don't want to be the one to pull that 706 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 2: lag out. You start messing with precedents, you like, everything 707 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: we've done since then is now in jeopardy it So 708 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: judges don't be wanting to do that yo. 709 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: And we're seeing this in real time with the ending 710 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: of Roe v. Wade. 711 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 2: We're seeing it with the ending of affirmative action, the 712 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 2: domino effect of you taking this, pulling this janga piece out. Now, 713 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 2: it's like, uh, with affirmative action in schools, it's like, 714 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 2: well then what the hell do well? 715 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: Then, well, then how do we read your application? What 716 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: can I say? I'm black? Well, I mean, it's a 717 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: big part of my life. 718 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: So then when I write my essays, my personal statement essays, 719 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 2: and can I not mention them? And if I mentioned 720 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 2: I'm black, because it's obviously a part of my story. 721 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: This fool got a four point one. I got a 722 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: three point eight. 723 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 2: But I come from a low performing school in a 724 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: red lined community because I am a person of color 725 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: and have experienced racism and mass incarceration and all the 726 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 2: things that come with being a part of a racist country. 727 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 2: I'm but my grades look like this nigga's grades, right, 728 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: But since they a little bit lower, you just when 729 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 2: this nigga got like personal tutors and shit, and I 730 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 2: could still keep up with him. Clearly, I'm working harder 731 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: than this fool because I'm running into the wind and 732 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: you're telling me you can't account for that. I'm a 733 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 2: better student because I don't have I'm a better choice 734 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 2: for your college because I'm performing just as him with 735 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: one hand tie behind my back, with everything playing. Yess me, 736 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 2: this nigga got everything he could possibly need. I don't 737 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 2: have that, but you but I can't put that on application. 738 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: You can't consider it. If you reading applications, you're like, well, obviously, 739 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 2: but I'm not a Wait then what do I judgehim by? 740 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: Are you post ignore that? 741 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: Like? Well, like, okay, so if I can't mention race, 742 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 2: but race is a like, So the implications. 743 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: Are like, well then how do I Well, then what 744 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: do I like? You're Roe v. 745 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 2: Wade is kind of the same thing. Okay, Well it's 746 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: not federal, then it's state. Well then at what point 747 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 2: is it? Well then what are the exceptions? Well then 748 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: you just pull this janga piece out, So it's super 749 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 2: what if I cross state lines? What if I'm in 750 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 2: danger of dying? You pulled the janga piece out. There's 751 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: a problem here. But if I were to predict the future, 752 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying, if Chevron deference, if it's gonna stay, it's 753 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 2: gonna be a zombie version. You know how I know 754 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 2: because this court is activist. They're just activists, like republican 755 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 2: like like conservative activists. The same thing that the Conservatives 756 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 2: were arguing about and complain ain't in about when most 757 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 2: of my life is the same thing they doing now. 758 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 2: They were like, we don't like activist judges. No, you 759 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 2: just ain't like activist judges. That was doing activism against 760 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: your agendas. Now that y'all up, which was the plan 761 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: the whole time. Obviously, now that y'all up, you can 762 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 2: get the laws you want inactive, because nigga, you ain't 763 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: no different, You just wanted to be up. So this 764 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: case about this Fisherman, about Chevron defference and when I 765 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 2: say Chevron, we like I said before, it's actually Chevron. 766 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: It's really about who gets to call it, because sometimes when. 767 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: You don't know you like shit, shit, I can't. 768 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 2: I don't even know you gotta, I can't call it 769 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 2: like I defer. Your guess is as good as mine. Nigga, 770 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: you're the Supreme Court. You don't get to say you 771 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,479 Speaker 2: don't know you. You are the final say? 772 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: Or are you? 773 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,240 Speaker 2: Or are you the final say? As to who gets 774 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 2: the final say? 775 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: Which one? Is it? Shit? 776 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 2: I can't call politics, y'all? All right, now, don't you 777 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 2: hit stop on this pod? You better listen to these credits. 778 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: I need you to finish this thing so I can 779 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: get the download numbers. Okay, so don't stop it yet, 780 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 2: but listen. This was recorded in East Lost Boyle Heights 781 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 2: by your Boy Propaganda tap in with me at prop 782 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 2: hip hop dot com. If you're in the Coldbrew coffee. 783 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 2: We got Terraform Coldbrew. 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He got more music 791 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 2: and stuff like that on there, so gonna check out. 792 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 2: The heat Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, 793 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 2: Executive produced by Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. 794 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 2: Your theme music and scoring is also by the one 795 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 2: and nobly Mattawsowski. Still killing the beats softly, So listen, 796 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 2: don't let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living, 797 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 2: you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you. 798 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 2: We'll see y'all next week.