1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Emotion is soul GoF to throw, wants to throw to 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: show man down the thirty one yard line. Oh that 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: is utiful. Welcome to the twenty in the Huddle podcast 4 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: presented by Microsoft. Here in Phoenix at the Super Bowl 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Radio Row, I'm with a guy who really needs no introduction. 6 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: And I have to say I had Michael Brocker's on earlier. 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: He had this giant cat like shirt on. What I'm saying, 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: this is what you've got going on here is it's 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: is rivaling him for best dressed here at Radio Row. 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: I just got the swag. Everything one isn't comfortable, that's all. 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: And Nan I put all the things that I got 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: for as his gift. So this is a gift. This 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: is a gift. Everything that signing is a gift. I 14 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: like it. Oh that obviously, I'm talking to Jamal Williams, 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: who really needs no introduction, y'all. Uses holds the Lions 16 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: record for most touchdowns in a single season. Have you 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: gotten used to that yet? People saying Matthew Nah hearing it? 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, sort of Kanda, But it's like I wish 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: I could put like me and then put like all 20 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: my line and friends. You know what I mean I'm 21 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: in and the tight ends and the serious blocking, so 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: they could be part of this too. It's not just me. 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: So I just try to make sure I give credit 24 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: to them for as much as they did this season 25 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: to help me get it. And it's not just one 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: person who've got it. So I just want to get 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: credit to my teammates for helping me get it. I 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: appreciate y'all and this record. It's not just me as 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: y'all too. Where you're here in Phoenix and you gotta 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: be living your best to like Jamal, this seems like 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: this setting Radio Row. I know you're with Jerome and 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: and you're making all the stops. It seems like it 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: fits you and your personality, right, Do you enjoy yourself 34 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: or do you not like this? Oh? No, this is work. 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: This is work right now. This is cutting into my 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Hogwarts time because going crazy right now, I'm not only 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: level thirteen, but I'm going crazy. So yeah, I rather 38 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: go play a video game then Neil Larson talking the 39 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: off season about how far are you guys have gotten? Neil? Yeah, 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: right now, Neil, we're not friends right now. Because he 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: came in. I went up to his office and we 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: played Smash Brothers, and I knew he was gonna be 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: good when I seen his freaking little keyboard. He has 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: a key and we're talking about producers, controller things on 45 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: the end of it, and it's a big excuse my language, 46 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: you're good, big keyboard and he guys no controllers on there, 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: and then he over here going crazy with Bowser Junior. 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't Bowser Junior. It was you can change the 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: characters in it, turn to like one of the little minions. 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: But that's what he did, and he and I like Bowser. 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: That's me personally. But he was just I know he 52 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: was good, but I think he was that good. So 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: he good. But it makes me mad. Now he talking, 54 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: he's my leg No, you're good talking. So he's been 55 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: talking since he beat me. Now I need the beatle. 56 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: Oh you got you? Yeah? But right now, So this 57 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: is just a little duel. That's now. It's a lion 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: talent park off. I'm not gonna start. It's arrival. It's 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: a rivalry. Now. Yeah, I just gotta go practice. So Neil, 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: watch your back, watch your back, because I'm coming at 61 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: you with razor bays and lemon juice. All right, So 62 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: how's your off season betting? I know it's been on 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: a month, So how's the body feeling you rehabbing? Do 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: you what's your process? Do you take a little time 65 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: offered you kind of get back into working out. I 66 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: guess what you're what's your drill? It's my cheat month, 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: my relaxed month. Yeah, don't do anything. I can eat 68 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: whatever I want. I could do it there. I will chill, 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: but mostly I just want to sleep, play video game, sleep, 70 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: go use the restaurroom, sleep if I have, if I can. 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: But I'm still now I'm getting real active in all season. 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: They'll just getting business and doing stuff and try to, 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, do that, do what I need to do first, 74 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: do what I need to do before I wanted to do. 75 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: So speaking of business, this there is a business side 76 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: of football, and you are coming off at one thousand 77 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: yards season, obviously the seventeen touchdowns, your best season as 78 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: a professional yards carries um and you talked, I know 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: we talked during the season. You love the situation here Detroit. 80 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: You love the coaching staff, you love the teammates. See 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: you just love that. You know what Dan and Brad 82 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: are building here. You are an unrestricted free agent. I 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: guess what are your thoughts heading into into free agency 84 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: and the business side of football? Man? Honestly, just the 85 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: business side. I really just want to stay with Detroit 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: if I can, and really just stay here and leave 87 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: my mark here, and like, I really want to finish here, 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, if I could. So it's 89 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: more of just going with it. I understand it's a 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: business man, you know, team got to do his best 91 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: for them and then I gotta do the best for 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: me too. But I just really want us to come 93 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: to a music agreement, get it done so then we 94 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: can get back to just playing football. Yeah. So what 95 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: is it about this team, Jamal that that makes you 96 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: want to stay and be a part of this and 97 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: finish your your career here. I think it's just the energy. 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: I like the energy. I like the look at b 99 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: As Brockets right there was brock Art. He can't hear me, 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: he can't hear you, But you see the shirt. Yeah yeah, 101 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: I told him he's got every single big cat on 102 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: that shirt, rock Ert rock That's a fad. What he's doing. 103 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing then, ter of me right now. I just 104 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: want to say, Hi, let's see that cat. Let me 105 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: get say that cat shirt. Oh yeah, I told you 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: that's my dog, but that he resigned earlier. Yeah, that's 107 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: my too. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. It's just 108 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: the my teammates. They is all got they all personal personality. Yeah, 109 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: but at the same time, everybody's personality is different, but 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: they all mold together for us to be a good team. 111 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what you need is honesty. Yeah, 112 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: Like we're not always happy day you know, teammates are 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: you Teammates fight, but at the same time family, yeah, 114 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: we are when we fight to know that we want 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: to be great, we want to be better. So what 116 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: is it about Dan too? And I know Kelvin Shepherd's 117 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: talking about this too with with you know Dan telling 118 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: him you're not shaving your dreads. I mean, you are 119 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: who you are. But it sounds like Dan and Brad 120 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: and this organization really lets people be who they are. 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: And I know you've talked about this too. And there's 122 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: got to be a comfort level as a player too, 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: to know that you could just come here. Look, you're 124 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: gonna work, yeah, and they're gonna make sure you you 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: know you's work, but you can be yourself doing it, 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: and there's got to be something very appealing to that 127 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: as It's great to have coaches that let you let 128 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: you be yourself, yet at the same time they want 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: you to succeed, and yeah, they don't care about you 130 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: not doing a certain way that how they do it 131 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: or how they want you to act. And then they 132 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, they punish you for that and not maybe 133 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: not let you play, you know, which is crazy, right. 134 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: I feel like you should let your players be who 135 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: they are at the same time, you know, keep the structure, 136 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: keep the discipline and keep all that and limit but 137 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: yet don't let them beat themselves while playing football. And 138 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: I feel like that's how we get more out of 139 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: each other. It's just go out there, have fun and 140 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: have fun with each other, like it makes you want 141 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: to make plays and look at your teammates and let's 142 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: do something. And that's I think that's what makes playing 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: football even better, is when you have other people to 144 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: play for instead of just yourself. First thoughts. When you 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: found out Ben Johnson was going to be back as 146 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions, man that goodness, guy, 147 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: because you know, you know, uh Duce's doll, so it's like, 148 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: and he has a real, real reason why he's leaving. Yeah, 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: it's none against dudes leaving. I'm just sad that he's 150 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: gone because I really duces somebody that's really close to me. Yeah. Um, 151 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: it hurts a lot. But at the same time, you know, 152 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: I understand that it's a business. He do what you 153 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: need to do for what you got going in shirt life, 154 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: and I totally respect it. But it's just, you know, 155 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: it's just sad. But I'm grateful that Bend is still 156 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: there and it's just there. Let's just meet. I don't 157 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: like change, Yeah, I just don't. Well, one of the 158 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: things you're not gonna have to worry about in terms 159 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: of changes, all five of those offensive lineman Jamal on 160 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: the contract, How big is that for this running back room. 161 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: That's what you need to start with. It's always starts 162 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: with the line. And if they got the mentality of 163 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: just being dogs and and working hard, that's and that's 164 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: what our line is all about. Is it's being dogs 165 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: running the ball as protection. But they want to get 166 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: that ball running, you know what I mean. They're the 167 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: ones that be emphasizing the most of us run this ball. 168 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Let's get it going, and that's what it is. And 169 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: I just like having linemen at our dogs that got 170 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: more dogs the same dog as being and we're looking 171 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: at each other in the in the in the huddle 172 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: and were looking at third and one, fourth to one 173 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: or you know, let's get it, let's go get it 174 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: fur you know, four minute drive, let's fit is just 175 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: run behind me. Yeah, and they tell me run behind 176 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: me talking. You know, that's what you want to hear, 177 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: what you because it gets both of us turt. It 178 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: gets us both going. And that's what I like about 179 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: my linement is they just they bring the bringing the 180 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: juice for me, and I bring the juice for them. 181 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 1: But it's always a giving tape. You know. I was 182 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: looking at some of your statistics. Obvious you're coming off 183 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: a terrific season, but nine hundred fifteen carries in your career, 184 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: it seems to me. And the way that you ran 185 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: this year and how good you looked from week one 186 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: to week eighteen, You've got a lot left in the tank, 187 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: don't you. I got a lot. It's just let me 188 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: get these opportunities in. You know, I'm just h I 189 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: want of those back seats, just gotta I gotta get 190 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: going and I just need to carries or and just 191 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: get more comfortable. And it's just once I get going 192 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: and for me too, that's why I can't wait for 193 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: this all season to bring back up, Like I don't 194 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: want to just be stuck down to just running the ball. 195 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: I want to get back to running routes. I want 196 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: to get back to doing options. Being because that's my 197 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: last year at Green Bay. I was really out there 198 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: and that's really felt it, comfortable with it and when 199 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: my receiving it and once I got Detroit, I understood 200 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: my role at the time, but it's still you know, 201 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: I want to be more. You want to see that 202 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: role expanding. Yeah, it did lead into my next question, 203 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: just to focus this offseason, and again I'm with Jamaal 204 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: Williams running back for the Detroit Lions. What's the focus 205 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: this off season is at it it expanding the torutality 206 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: of the game, just expanding and at the same time, 207 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: just make sure my body is durable and a little 208 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: more versatile. Yeah, I just I feel like I was 209 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: just a little versatile this year, but that's just me learning, like, Okay, 210 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 1: I don't need to do so much to break a 211 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: tackle in or to break one. Yeah, all I really 212 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: need is a stiff arm, just to get just stiff 213 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: on the little baby bit and then I'm gone, you know. 214 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: And I did that then a couple of times now 215 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: to understand, like, all right, I understand how I want 216 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: to run the ball for that one and be more 217 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: explosive and make more exposive plays and and not just 218 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: go down on on first contexts or you know, put 219 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: my head down and going straight down, keep my head up, 220 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: make somebody miss, and go make a play. So and 221 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to do. Well, Jamal, have a 222 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: terrific rest of the week. I know with free Going 223 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: you became a fan favorite. I know fans out there 224 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: are going to be really happy to know that that 225 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: you want to be back here. You want to finish 226 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: this singing out in Detroit. Have a good rest of 227 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: the week. Appreciate it. Thank you everybody. Appreciate Detroit. I 228 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: appreciate y'all. Love y'all. I appreciate all the Detroit fans, 229 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: no matter if you're Detroit or not. I appreciate the 230 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: love and the support, and I appreciate your loyalty. So 231 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: go line there. You have it. Welcome back to the 232 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast and I am joined by 233 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: I think some fans will remember Dominic Rayola fourteen years 234 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: as a center for the Detroit Lions. Fourteen years. Do 235 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: you still put wrap your head around that? When when 236 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: when you were finishing up in Nebraska and going to 237 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: the NFL, did you ever think you'd be in the 238 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: NFL for fourteen years and have as on careers as 239 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: you had? No, I was fortunate. It still went by 240 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: way too fast. You know, you always look back and 241 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: what you could have done different and what you would 242 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: have done different, And yeah, I would have done a 243 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: little bit different. But I don't regret a day I 244 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: spent there in Detroit. And you know, I always thought 245 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: i'd leave a legacy of leaving a place better than 246 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: I found it. And shoot, there was some ups, there 247 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: are some downs, but I feel like it was better 248 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: when I left, and there in a good place. Now. Yeah, 249 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: they're in a pretty good place. I mean, how often 250 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: do you get to watch them and how much do 251 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: you enjoy now seeing guys like Penna Sewell, Yeah, Taylor Decker, 252 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: Frank rag Now pro bowler, right, Jonah Jackson Pro Bowl 253 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: and what they've built up front, and that really started, 254 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, not just a couple of years after you 255 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: left with Taylor, and they've really built that up and 256 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: it's become one of the strengths of this football team. Well, 257 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: and that's why you see some of the success that 258 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: they've had. And they built a good room. They built 259 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: a room of depth, you know, a continuity. So I 260 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: think with that you get to build the rest of 261 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: the team around it, you know, and it is fun 262 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: to see. It's fun to root for them again. You know, 263 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: there were some years there where it was hard to 264 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: root for him just because the way a lot of 265 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: stuff went down. But I love Danny, loved Dan Campbell. 266 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: People you know, I played with Dan, so people always 267 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: asking me, is that that who he is? I'm like, yeah, 268 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea. That's just a little bit of 269 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: who he is. But when a coach is passionate about winning, 270 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: as a lot of the players are now, you're gonna 271 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: have a lot of success. And it's a huge offseason 272 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: for them. I'm excited. You know, it's a little better 273 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: time to be a Lions fan. But you know, you 274 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: talk about drinking the kool aid, and it's you kind 275 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: of wish you had about four or five more weeks 276 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: in the season, just how hot they got. I don't 277 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: think anybody wanted to play them and see them in 278 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: the playoffs with the where they finished. Not not at 279 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: that point in the season, people were getting healthy, they 280 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: were getting people back. And so what was Dan like 281 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: as a player? Because I was I was gonna get 282 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: to that, And I'm glad you brought it up, because 283 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: that's what people say when they talk about Dan is 284 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: He's no different than he was as a player. He's 285 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: just an authentic kind of guy. He's all about ball. 286 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: What struck you as from Dan Campbell the player? Yeah, 287 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: when when Mike Mars brought Dan in, Um he was 288 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: he was smart, he was physical, love the weight room. Um, 289 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: but he but he was a competitor and he was 290 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: one of those dudes where you didn't want to mess 291 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: with him, you know. And he was whistle to whistle. 292 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't cheap, but he he was who he was, 293 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: and he's tough and and he's a competitor, but he 294 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, he he got drafted by Parcels right right, 295 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: and and coached for Sean Payton for a while. So 296 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: this guy not only does he have the metal inside 297 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: of him to the makeup of of of these guys, 298 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: he was also drafted and groomed by these guys, right 299 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: and uh, and then a little bit of Dan, a 300 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: little bit of Parcels, a little bit of Sean Payton, 301 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of Detroit Um. You know, you can see 302 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: why they're winning and has have success and the players 303 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: believe in it. You can see how they're playing. They 304 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: play with that type of intensity. Did you ever think 305 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: when you were playing with him that coaching was his future? 306 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: Did he add that kind of Was he that kind 307 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: of guy? Surprise? I was surprised when he was and 308 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: and uh, but you knew whatever he was gonna do, 309 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: he was gonna be successful because he took it serious. 310 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: He took everything he did serious. And for him, you know, 311 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: when he went down to Miami, had that one year 312 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: and then he you know, beat just became a coach. 313 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: You weren't surprised that, you know, you never questioned that 314 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: this if this guy was a coach or not. It's 315 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: just I didn't think it was gould be a coaches. 316 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, but you know he's gonna be good at 317 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: it because he you know, he everything he did was intentional. 318 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: What is there about you? You know, you're a player 319 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: in this league for so long, you had some coaches 320 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: who weren't players. You've had some people were what is 321 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: it about being a player? Um first and then a coach. 322 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: He seems like there's a buy in from from the 323 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: players because they know that, you know, that coach has 324 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: been in your shoes. He's not going to ask you 325 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: to do something one he hasn't done himself or you know, 326 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: wasn't asked to do himself. Is there something to that? 327 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: Because this coaching staff is filled with a ton of players, 328 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: and it seems like there's really a buy in at 329 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: all levels, in all all positions. Well, there's a ton 330 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: of good coaches on this stuff, really good coaches that 331 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of success in the NFL, and they 332 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: didn't have success because they cut corners. And so when 333 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: you're bringing people in like you know, like I just 334 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: saw Dre got hired Andrey called me. He was so excited. 335 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, he called me the week before he's gonna 336 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: get hired and he knew it and it was just 337 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: so exciting because they care. You know, a bunch of 338 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: guys that care and when those guys care, they can 339 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: read players and know if their care enough to change 340 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: a place or care enough to take this team to 341 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: the next level. I have to say, you look pretty good. 342 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: You enjoin retirement. You're in the Phoenix area now right, 343 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: And how's your golf game? Where's your handicap at I'm 344 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: a twelve, but I could shoot eighty seven or I 345 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: could shoot seventy seven, So let's see. And you know, 346 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: one of the thing we got to touch on, I've 347 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: got a son who's just entering high school playing sports, 348 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: hockey and baseball, and it's so fun to kind of 349 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: live vicariously through your son. Your son, Dylan obviously is 350 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: one of the top quarterbacks in the nation. Tom when 351 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: you hear there's some comparisons that that that Dylan is 352 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: like a Trevor Lawrence type player, like that kind of 353 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, once in a decade type player. When when 354 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: you hear that about your son, it's gonna make you smile. 355 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: Is it surreal a little bit? I mean, when you 356 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: hear that it's crazy? Is that it is cool? Um, 357 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: it's really cool when you when you put it that way, 358 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: it's but you hear it all the time. You hear 359 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, other coaches, coaches from other teams that are 360 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, recruiting for other teams and saying that he's 361 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: this type of player, he's generational. When you say like 362 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: starts saying stuff like generational, Hey man, you don't good 363 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: to see you, man, see you? Yeah? But yeah, so 364 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: but he it's a it's a cool experience, um to 365 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: go through this process with him. Um. And you know, 366 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: not only that, but you can kind of guide them 367 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: to where they need to get to and what the 368 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: work ethic looks like. Um. You know, and you know 369 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: to see him have some of that um and just 370 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: really raising a good person. Yeah, it's being a good 371 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: person that's first and foremost stuff is second. And I'm 372 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: the same way with my son. I mean, be a 373 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: good person, be respectful, grades first. I mean, I'm I'm 374 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: trying to raise a young man, right, who's going to 375 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: be a good person, a good husband, good whatever that first. Athletically, 376 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: whatever you do that that's good too. But I love 377 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: that point that you may because it is important servant 378 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: leadership and in our house it's important. You want to 379 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: be a good brother. You know, he has a younger 380 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 1: brother that's gonna follow his footsteps one day and um, 381 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: you know he has an older sister. That's so it's 382 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: just being a good person, good good son. Um, you know, 383 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: doing your chores. I think the minute things like you 384 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: never lose that. Yeah, he never changed the person you are, 385 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: So it is uh, it is fun to see the 386 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: growth and kind of him to take the bull by 387 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: the horns and kind of create his own path. Yeah, 388 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: all right, you've got to subtly throw those Nebraska things 389 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: though in there. Don't really Hey, yeah, you know you 390 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: finally you finally feel good about about promoting Nebraska again 391 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: about hey this since he look at it, I mean 392 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: it's Nebraska. Was was Alabama back in the day, you know, 393 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: in the Team of the decades he in the nineties. Yeah, so, um, 394 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: you know you gotta you never close any door. Um 395 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: what what you know what we we never limit yourself 396 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: to what you can do, and you never limit yourself 397 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: of who you talk to. Yeah, and so that's a 398 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: that's a big deal that you just learned everything you 399 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: can and you know he's a relationship type kid, and 400 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: and that's, um, that's gonna help him in life. Yeah, 401 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: you know, like read the room, you know, know, what 402 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: you're talking to, ask questions, you know, all those things 403 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: plus his minus positive negative, so all of those things, Uh, 404 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, is this part of his makeup? I know 405 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: your daughter's playing volleyball at TCU, she said it is 406 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: here senior year obviously with Dylan that you're gonna have 407 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: another fun four years coming up. You got the youngster 408 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: coming up. Follas, you're a busy guy right now, getting 409 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: a little golf in, enjoying retirement, watching living vicariously through 410 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: the kids, and it sounds like you're having a great 411 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: time just trying to be a dad. You know, I 412 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: love to be the best dad I can be, and uh, 413 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, growing up, still growing up, and uh you know, 414 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a good, good run so far. 415 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: Are looking forward to the future. Well, I'm glad you 416 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: stopped by Dominic Raola fourteen years Detroit Lions Center. Some 417 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: great insight there on Dan Campbell and what it's like 418 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: to be an athletic dad. Good stuff. Now, I appreciate 419 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: you taking the time. Thanks to Welcome back to the 420 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft. Back here 421 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: on Radio Row and I'm with Robert Mays, who does 422 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: a great job with the Athletic The Athletic Football Show 423 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: do a great job there too, And let's talk a 424 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: little bit about the Detroit Lions do it. It's a 425 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: big off season for Let's start with Dan Campbell. Obviously, 426 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: you come in and you know there was some stuff 427 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: to fix after you know, the Matt Patricia era three 428 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: thirteen and one, you're implementing your systems. You know, you 429 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: have to you have to learn to win with a 430 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: very young roster. And then the second season you see 431 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: such a dramatic improvement. Obviously didn't start very well, but 432 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: the way they finished eight and two and nine and 433 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: eight in just missing the playoffs. I'm just curious from 434 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: your national perspective just the opinion of Dan Campbell of 435 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: the job that he's done his first two seasons with 436 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lion. I mean, I think it's hard not 437 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: to be excited about it. And on our show, we 438 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: always just have warm feelings about the Lions, Like whenever 439 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: we watched them and for whatever, I mean, even early 440 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: in the season when they weren't winning, we thought the 441 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: offense was interesting. A lot of the way that it 442 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: was constructed made sense. Ben Johnson was doing a great job. 443 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: And beyond that, it just felt like they played hard consistently. 444 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: Even in year one when they weren't winning a lot 445 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: of games, you could just tell it there was buy in. 446 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the It was one 447 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: of those moments where being on hard knocks I think 448 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: was very good for our franchises, where you really got 449 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: to get a window into why the staff was built, 450 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: that why, why it might be an advantage. And I 451 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: think all of those kind of feel good narratives that 452 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: don't always come to fruition seemed to take hold for 453 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: this team this year. And so I think that from 454 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: national perspective is kind of how we felt about it. 455 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: It's like every single bit of like warm fuzziness that 456 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: you want around this team that they're trying to sell 457 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: you was worth buying. You know. I think the buying 458 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: is an important part of that because you look at 459 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: the free agent like did the John Commenci's, the DJ charts, 460 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: the Jamal Williams, all these guys. We talked to him 461 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: after this season like I want to be back, aff 462 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I want to be part of this. You know, even 463 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: a guy like you know, Josh Woods, one of the 464 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: better special teams guys in the league. He's like, and 465 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: I was, I was here when they turn this thing around, 466 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: when they were starting to build this thing, and I 467 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: want to see where it goes. And I want to 468 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: do that because of Dan Campbell. And when you have 469 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: that kind of a head coach where you just really 470 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: have built something that players want to be a part of, 471 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: that's when you know you maybe got the right guy 472 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 1: in charge, right, Robert, there's no doubt. And I think 473 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: that what we've learned over the last really I think 474 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: three or four years, but you can go back even 475 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: further than that. These guys who are kind of these 476 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: CEO type coaches, as long as they have the right 477 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: staffs in place, you have a lot of success. And 478 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: those guys kind of set the tone of what the 479 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: building is like to be. Mike tom On being the 480 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: ultimate example. Yeah, and you see even this year when 481 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: it seemed like the Steelers were dead in the wall, 482 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: they saw come all the way back and again they 483 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: don't have a losing season. Well, Mike Friebel has done 484 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: in Tennessee where you kind of think of what does 485 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: this guy do? You know, if he's not the offensive 486 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: play call where he's not a defensive minded head coach. 487 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: But the value of those guys, I think is very real, 488 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: and I think that we've seen that and these culture 489 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: centers and culture creators and the impact that they can have. 490 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: You can throw Dan Campbell right in there with those guys. 491 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: I think, Well, let's flip to the front office part 492 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: of that, because, um, you know the job that Brad 493 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: Holmes is doing there and you just see some of 494 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: the young pieces. You look at you you've flipped onto 495 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl last week and you see an aman 496 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: Ross Brown in his second season, a Penne Sewell in 497 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: his second season. You know some of these young guys 498 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: that have now become core pieces. I think Aidan Hutchinson, 499 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,719 Speaker 1: James Houston, Kirby Joseph some of these guys from this 500 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: most recent draft have now become core pieces. And you 501 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: just got to really love the what Brad is doing 502 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: and some of the young core pieces that he's building there. 503 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: From a national persect, I'm curious just the thoughts on 504 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Brad and the and the job he rayag knew. When 505 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: that front office is doing, It's hard to argue with 506 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: it when you think about all of those pieces and 507 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: hitting on guys a little bit later in the draft, 508 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: I mean getting an Almond Ross and Brown, who I 509 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: think was on my second team All Pro team, and 510 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: we did our seventeenth wide receiver taken two years and 511 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: that it's unbelievable when you can hit on those guys 512 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: and the access value that that creates. And I think 513 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: that looking at all, right, where are we strong and 514 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: how can we really make that the foundation of who 515 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: we are? And going to get Pennis soon, adding it 516 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: to that group that was already full of really good 517 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: players and kind of having that be a foundation of 518 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: what you want to be offensively. What they've done on defense, 519 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: I think kind of more methodically you building it right. 520 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: They haven't spent big on that side of the ball. 521 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: They've been biding their time on that side, the secondary 522 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: specifically right like Jeffacudi is from the previous regime, really 523 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: haven't really gone out and had that big ticket item there. 524 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: But now they have money to do that. So I 525 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: think the sequence in it all really makes sense. And 526 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: the one move that I in the moment I was like, 527 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: what how does this fit was their decision to keep 528 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: and pay Jared Golf what they have over the last 529 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: couple of years. I remember Brad was on our show 530 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: and I asked him. I was like, well, how does 531 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: it thirty million dollar quarterback fit into a rebuilding plant, 532 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: because in my mind it was kind of hard to square. 533 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: But having reliable play at that position as you are 534 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: building something, I think has been a huge part of 535 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: their ability to do this. Yeah. So just one of 536 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: those moments where I will fully admit that I was 537 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: very wrong about the currency that a guy like Jared 538 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: Golf can provide you. And I think that that's just 539 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: another example of Brad Holmes having the foresight in a 540 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: situation like that to understand what somebody like that can 541 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: provide you in that moment. Well, and he comes from 542 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: LA so he down with Jared really really a well 543 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: knew what Jared was about, not just on the field, 544 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: but how he worked, how he was in the locker room, 545 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: how he could lead a team. And I think Robert, 546 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people forget Jared Gol's twenty eight years old. Yes, 547 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: yes he's not. We're not talking about a thirty two 548 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: year old, thirty million dollars quarterback who's you know, in 549 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: the twilight of his career. I mean the way quarterbacks 550 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: are going now. I mean, this guy has got you know, 551 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: six seven, who knows how many years left? He's twenty 552 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: eight years old. Now the quarterbacks are making fifty million 553 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: dollars a year. Thirty million doesn't seem very much. And 554 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: to be a pro bowler have twenty nine touchdown six picks, 555 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: didn't throw an interception for what was it, three hundred 556 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: and twenty nine passes or whatever the number was, just 557 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: really played well, took ownership of Ben Johnson's offense and 558 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: really let it. They were top five in offense. To 559 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: your point, I think that was a very good move 560 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: by Bred. But what do you like about Jared moving 561 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: forward and just how he fits in this team, this 562 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: offense and with Ben. I think the nice thing about 563 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: a guy like Jared is he's not forcing your hand 564 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: at quarterback. If you have a situation where all right, 565 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: we can go get a guy who is a true 566 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: difference maker just with his physical skill set that maybe 567 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: Jared isn't, then you can do that if the opportunity 568 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: presents itself, but you don't need to, and I think 569 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: that there is value in those sorts of guys. The 570 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: one I would go back to, speaking of teams that 571 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: are here right now is what Alex Smith provided the 572 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: Chiefs for those few years before they moved on to 573 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes because of Actually, Jared has done great for them, 574 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: and I think that the present Jared's a very steady guy. Yeah, 575 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: Jared's incredibly steady personality wise, very even keel. Having that 576 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: is nice. Yeah, And so that as a kind of 577 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: steadying factor early on in a regime, I think is 578 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: really valuable. But I do think that with guys like that, 579 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: you probably are going to hit a ceiling eventually. Yeah, 580 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: So how do you break through that ceiling that becomes 581 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 1: a when it makes sense for us rather that we 582 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: have to operate from a position of weakness consideration. I 583 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: think that's the value of a gully Jared Goff. So 584 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: you can fix some of the other parts of what's 585 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: going on. We talked about the defense. They haven't spent 586 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: big there. I don't know what they do have some 587 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: cap space, but they also have five picks in the 588 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: top eighty one, and so it'll be interesting just what 589 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: do they need to do in your opinion when you 590 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: look at them defensively, because offensively they've really got all 591 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: the pieces. They're only missing. DJ Chark and Jamal Williams 592 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: are going to be free agents. Both have said they 593 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: want to come back, which we talked about that all 594 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: five offensive linemen are under contract. I'm on right side 595 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: Brown and we haven't even scratched the surface of Jamison 596 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: Williams yet. So I'm just curious when you look at 597 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 1: this team defensively, what do they need to do. How 598 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: do they go from being, you know, one of the 599 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: bottom four five units overall, even though they did play 600 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: much better second half the season, to being one of 601 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: those teams where maybe if they're just fifteenth sixteenth in 602 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: the league defensively, this is a really good football team 603 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: and probably playoff team. The Winds they ENFC North absolutely. 604 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: I think that's about just building up the back seven. 605 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: They really haven't done anything there. I mean, you have 606 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: guys Alexandzeloni and your journeyman linebackers. Kirby Joseph is obviously 607 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: a really nice piece of safety. But you know, corner 608 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: is full of guys that I like. But I think 609 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: that like Jerry Jacobs, I love Jerry, and Jerry's gonna 610 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: be down here into with Jerry and he's gonna bring it. 611 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: I watching him play. I mean his rookie year is 612 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: rookie twenty twenty one, correct, Yes, yeah, so watching him 613 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: and he was undrafted rookie, And that was one of 614 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: those guys in the second half of the season where 615 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: I was like, this team plays hard. Yeah, and I 616 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: it's like another one of those guys that it kind 617 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: of inspires those warm feelings. But eventually you're gonna want 618 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: to go out and get some high end talent in 619 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: the secondary. And I think that this maybe is the 620 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: off season where you say, all right, is it through 621 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: the draft? Is it in free agency where we can 622 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: spend a little bit, you know, like James Bradberry is 623 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: a free agent, right, Is it worth spending twelve million 624 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: dollars a year on a James Bradberry? Do you use 625 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: a first round pick on a corner you have resource 626 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: to kind of piece together whatever that backs up and 627 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: looks like they've got a lot of intriguing guys up front. Yeah, 628 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: that is one area where they've spent a lot of resources. 629 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: They've really tried to build up that up you stumble 630 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: into a James Houston somehow. So I just think that 631 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: figuring out the second and third levels of the defense 632 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: with all those resources that you have, has to be 633 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: the priority. What will be the theme of the twenty 634 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: twenty three Detroit Lions? Do you think worst year now? 635 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: I think is kind of what I would say, you know, 636 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: can this be a team that you know, wins eleven 637 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: games and kind of firmly establishes themselves as a maybe 638 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: not a contender in the NFC just because I do 639 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: think again, what does that? What does quarterback look like? 640 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: How young is the defense? All of those Philadelphia San 641 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: francism like they're here to stay? Yes, I mean those 642 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: teams top to buy them. I mean there's just elite, 643 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: elite players every single level, and we don't know what 644 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is yet. I think there's still some question 645 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: marks there. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if 646 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: they won the NFC North next year. Who knows Aaron 647 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: Rodgers is going to be the quarterback in Green Bay, Minnesota. 648 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: I think is definitely set up for a step back, 649 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: with maybe a significant step back. Chicago might be a 650 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: year away, maybe I'd say at least a year away. 651 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: As a Chicago resident NAI someone who watches the Bears 652 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: a lot, I think that's going to be a long hole, 653 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: a deep, deep hole to dig out of. So right 654 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: now I would absolutely be thinking that the Lions are 655 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: probably the best team in the NFC North. You can 656 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: make that argument. I know you've excited a lot of 657 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: Lions fans out there, Robert. I tell it's one of 658 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: those teams where every time I sit down to think 659 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: about them, I like them more, and every time I've 660 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: watched them, I've liked them more. Don't remember what game 661 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: it probably was, maybe even after the Philly game. We 662 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: were just sitting there watching some of the run concepts 663 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: that they were doing as the Eagles in Week one, 664 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is great, Like I just 665 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: love watching mm and Ben Johnson being again somebody that 666 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: kind of you find behind door number two and is 667 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: now one of the best play callers in the NFL. 668 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: You need those every once in a while, you need 669 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: to kind of flip those cards over and have them 670 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: be in your favor. And that's another one that might 671 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: be one of the biggest re ups for this team 672 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: this offseason. It's Ben. It's so important. I think we've 673 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: seen that so often, and it's a little bit different 674 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: when you have a young quarterback that you're helping to 675 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: build having that continuity. But I still think that that 676 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: continuity matters even with a young offense. Yeah, you know. 677 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: The one I'll go back to is like Brian Dable 678 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: sticking around for three years in Buffalo and them getting 679 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: all of that time together, I think has been so 680 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: important Cincinnati having their entire staff around, as Joe Burrow 681 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: has built that up. It's impossible to overstate when you 682 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: have guys year one, year, two, year three at any 683 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: position being able to have those same voices and build 684 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: on what you've already done. And that's exactly what they're 685 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to do. And that's a terrific 686 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: quarterback coordinator relationship between Jared and then. I mean when 687 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: Sam always lies, it seems like they would give very well, 688 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: very well. And Ben was so smart that look he 689 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: was building this thing Detroit and wasn't like this is 690 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: what we do and this is how we go and 691 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: let's fit it. It was like, Jared, let's build this 692 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: thing together. What do you do, well, what do you 693 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: like to do? Let's build some concepts into that. And 694 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: it allowed Jared to take ownership of it and he 695 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: took off. And I think that's an important part of football. 696 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Maybe that some people don't realize is that relationship between 697 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: quarterback and coordinator and being on the same page and 698 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: feeling like like you've taken ownership of that offense and 699 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: it being yours. There's no doubt. And I think that 700 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: if you look at the success story as coaching wise 701 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: around the league period over the last couple of years, 702 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: there's a through line in that. A lot of these guys, 703 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: you watch their offenses and it's hard to know what 704 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: the genealogy of those systems is. I think the Eagles 705 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: are a very good example. You watch the Eagles run game. 706 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: It's not what Nick Sirianni was doing in Indianapolis. It's 707 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: not what Shane Stikeen was doing in San Diego or 708 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles when he was with the Chargers. You watched 709 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: the Giants right now, that doesn't look like the twenty 710 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: twenty one Buffalo Bills or Kansas City Chiefs offenses with 711 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: the Giants did this year. And that's what's funny about 712 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson. I remember talking to him in the summer 713 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, what do you believe in? Like 714 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: where do you because he when you're in one place 715 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: for so long, like he was in Miami, and when 716 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: you cycle through all of these different staffs, it's hard 717 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: to know what tree he necessarily comes off. Yeah. I 718 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: asked him your day one like install, when you're putting 719 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: in plays, what are you showing people? And he said, well, 720 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: it's probably outside zone runs and things like that. But 721 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: other than that, the passing game. They have Johnny Morton 722 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: there who has been in so many different places and 723 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: has all this West Coast knowledge and the branches they 724 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: can kind of follow offensively and not being so rigid 725 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: that you're necessarily sticking to one system or plan that 726 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: can only benefit you when you have somebody at the 727 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: front of it like Ben Johnson who can kind of 728 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: tie it all together and taylor it to what you 729 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: have skill will not the other way around. Yes, Robert, 730 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: great stuff there. He does a great job for the 731 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: Athletic Football Show. Make sure you check him out there. 732 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. I appreciate that half. Actually, Troy 733 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: Lyons and I feel for you. It's a Chicago Bears fan. 734 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: You know what, we'll all get through. It's gonna be okay. 735 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: We've been there. Yes, Thanks Robert. Welcome back to the 736 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: twenty in the Huddle podcast here in Phoenix on a 737 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: radio row, and I'm very happy to welcome Welcome in 738 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: Jared Golf. Jared, how are you doing. I'm good man 739 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: leks d having men. Yeah, no problem. Hey, no Phoenix 740 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: Open this year. I know you did the pro am 741 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: last year? How was that? Yeah? It was fun last 742 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: year and out this year. But it was fun last year. 743 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: And um my golf game, I don't know if it's 744 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: in quite the right shape right now, but uh yeah, 745 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: maybe again next year. We'll see. It takes a couple 746 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: of months after the season, right, you got to get 747 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: back in the in the flow of things. But how 748 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: did you do one sixteen? You have to let everybody 749 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: know the stadium hole there in sixteen? Yea last year, 750 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: how'd you do? So? I hit the green and it 751 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: spun off but I but I hit the green, but yeah, 752 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: it finished off the green, I guess finished with paro. 753 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah we did. And it's like a theme thing. 754 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: So actually we made birdie, so we made like a 755 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: little but oh yeah. So I've played there before too, 756 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: and I can say I birdied that whole one hit 757 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: a fifteen footer for for night, So that's something there. Yeah, yeah, 758 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: always one of those things you remember there. There wasn't 759 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: the stadium, it wasn't the pressure that you had with 760 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: everybody there, but fun times. Well, Jared, let's let's start 761 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: with this. The Walter Payton Man of the Year Award. Congratulations, 762 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: you know part of the reason why you're you're down 763 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: here in Phoenix and you're JG sixteen Foundation providing scholarships 764 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: for Detroit. Just why was that important for you? And 765 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: what is being nominated for the Walter Payton Man of 766 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: the Year mean for you? Yeah, it's it's very cool, 767 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: it's very rewarding, and uh, it's such an honor to 768 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: be recognized, you know, not only to represent the Lions, 769 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: but a part of the NFL and UM, to be 770 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: able to show that, you know, we aren't just guys 771 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: who do stuff on Sundays. We you know, have an 772 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: impact in the community and to be able to represent 773 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: that's huge. But I had a lot of fun this 774 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: year with the Fate program and being able to assist 775 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: those kids with their college endeavors and UM, it's it's 776 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: been a lot of fun and very rewarding from you. 777 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: But it ultimately being able to work with those kids 778 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: is the most fun part. You know. In last week 779 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: you you took part in the revamped Pro Bowl. Congratulations 780 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: on your third Pro Bowl, nod and um, just what 781 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: what was that event like and did you like the 782 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: new format and how much fun was it to have 783 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: three offensive teammates there too that had to make that 784 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: that experienced a little bit a little bit more fun 785 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, totally totally fun. And I think than 786 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: than Brown up and I think Frank it was really 787 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: like his first real one. I believe he made the 788 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: COVID here. But um, seeing them experience that, I being 789 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: able to experience it with them was was so much fun. 790 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 1: And um, I thought the game was really well done. 791 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was really fun for us as players. 792 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: It was fun for us as quarterbacks, and um, you know, 793 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a learning curve there with 794 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: with the different types of games you play, but but 795 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: it was really fun. You know. A couple of weeks ago, 796 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: Detroit Lyons fans and obviously you got terrific news with 797 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just announcing that, hey, I've got some unfinished 798 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: business to do. I want to come back and uh 799 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: continue to to to learn and build and be the 800 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator work with this offense. Obviously he was you know, 801 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: inviewing for head coaching jobs. But just your reaction to 802 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: getting back Ben and Jared, what's the next step for 803 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: this offense in twenty twenty three? Yeah, it's huge. It's 804 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: huge having him back, being able to have some continuity 805 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: heading into the off seas and I'm having a guy 806 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: that you know, knows us, we know him and Dathlarer 807 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: news system and all the success we are able to 808 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: have offensively last year's it's huge. But um, I think 809 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, the next step is consistency. There was there 810 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: was times this year where our running game is really 811 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: good and our pass game was just okay, and then 812 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 1: the inniverse to our pass game was really good and 813 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: our runnume was just okay. So how do we bring 814 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: all together and get a little bit more consistent where 815 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, everything's firing on all cylinders every week. So 816 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: you've got your offensive coordinator back, Jared, how much better 817 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: do you sleep at night knowing that all five of 818 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: those offensive linemen are under contract too? And just how 819 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: important is that for that continuity that you that you 820 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: talk about moving forward? Yeah, it's extremely important. It's uh yeah, 821 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: It definitely eases my mind knowing those guys are are 822 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: going to be there, and uh, you know, I'm still 823 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: lucky to play behind him this year and they can 824 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: continue and keep them all for us long as we can. 825 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: But it's been a lot of fun and I think 826 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: the foundation has been set and our standards has been set, 827 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: and um, it'll only go up. You know. You mentioned 828 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: say Brown at the Pro Bowl. Obviously over a hundred catches, 829 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,919 Speaker 1: over a thousand yards, he's reaching that superstar status, don't 830 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: you think in this league, especially among slot receivers. But 831 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: in my opinion, just among all the receivers in this game, 832 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: he I think Detroit really found something specially you know, 833 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: better than anybody else. Totally. I couldn't agree more. He's 834 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: he's entering that part of his career where he's you know, 835 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: coming into coming into his own and I think, yeah, 836 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: that year one to year two leap is kind of 837 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: where you see that from him. Certainly you saw it 838 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: last offseason on the end of the season. But can 839 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: he continue to improve? Can he continue to do all 840 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: the right things? I got my money on Yes. So 841 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: it's it's fun to work with them, and uh, you know, 842 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: be honest that. Yeah, they've got some smart money here. 843 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,839 Speaker 1: Let's stay with the wide receivers will kick. Every year 844 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: you invite those guys out to California, you guys work 845 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: and go through things. Is Jamison Williams one of the 846 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: first calls you're gonna make to to set that up 847 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: this year? Yeah, he'll be there. Yeah, he'll be invited. 848 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: I hope you can make it. I'm still working on 849 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: the days for all that stuff. If it's spring when 850 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: I want to do that. But yeah, certainly he'll be there. 851 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: And I'm excited to get a lot of work with 852 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: him this offseason and get on the same page and 853 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: really feel good about things heading to training camp. You know, 854 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: I'd Raague on on the podcast last week. He sat 855 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: down with me at the Senior Bowl. We just started 856 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: talking about some things and he talked about jam a 857 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: little bit and that he's got a ton of confidence 858 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: that he can be, you know, number one caliber, you 859 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: know type of guy. There's just that kind of talent 860 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: level there. A guy loves ball. Do you see the 861 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: same thing? And I know it was hard last year 862 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: because it's six games. I mean that's hard when you 863 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: jump in and you don't have a training camp and 864 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: offseason all that time you miss. But with him having 865 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: that and you guys building some continuity there just from 866 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: a skill set alone in a little bit that you 867 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: saw Jared is he does he have that kind of 868 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,239 Speaker 1: caliber in him, No, no doubt he does. He has 869 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 1: the talent, he has everything everything you wanting a receiver. Um. 870 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: I think it's just guy come to putting it all together. 871 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: Um with with our offense and everything. I don't I 872 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: don't see that not happening. I think he's got you 873 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: know what you want mentality was and um he can 874 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: take it to the house from anywhere. That's kind of 875 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: like a very special trait that you know, we say it, 876 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: but there is only you know, can counting on one 877 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: hand how many guys in the league can do that. Um. So, 878 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: So when you have that and a receiver and he 879 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: has the will, and he has the fight and the 880 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: toughness and likes blocking and even doing receivers don't like, um, 881 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: it all points in the right direction for him. Well, 882 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: I know everybody's excited about the way you guys finished. 883 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: What you guys have coming back on offense with Ben 884 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: and you and the offensive line and Saint Brown and 885 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: we get to see jam at at full speed. There's 886 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: a lot of excitement around this team. Jared Dot thank 887 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: you so much for joining me. Have a terrific time 888 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: Sunday being honored for Walter Peyton Man of the Year. 889 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: You certainly earned that and thanks again for joining me. 890 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: Have a great offseason. Well how about we talk com 891 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: ot as sounds a good event. Thank you all right, 892 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: Ja have a good one. All right. So welcome back 893 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,479 Speaker 1: to the twenty Men the Huddle Podcast, and I am 894 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: joined by Michael Brockers. Nice get if we were with 895 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: the with the brock brand. I like that with the 896 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: brock brand. And I was a lion and ex tiger 897 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: and you know, come on, look at all the cats 898 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: going on the big Cats. Well, how's Super Bowl treaty? 899 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: We are here in Phoenix Radio Row. How is the 900 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: media gallal had been so far? Man, it's been awesome. Man. 901 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: I love it. Man. I've been through this this this 902 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: uh what they call it car wash soever the car 903 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: wash a couple of times around. So I just love 904 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: the experience. Get to put out what I want to, 905 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: you know, my my brand, my platform. So I like it. 906 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: And we had you on the podcast earlier in the year. 907 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: It was really popular one and it seems like you 908 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: might have a future in this media thing. I mean, 909 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: is that kind of where you're angling. Have you figured 910 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: that part of it yet or because I know, I 911 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: mean you were starting to think about it, you know, 912 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: for so I really haven't. Um, I'm just not closing 913 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: any doors. I'm closing any doors. I'm leaving all doors 914 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: open for media broadcasting podcast Like I'm just I'm just 915 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: trying to do it all. I don't want to be 916 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: locked into any one thing. I want to be able 917 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: to do whatever I want to be in Broc. Let's 918 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: start with this. It was it was obviously a great 919 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 1: season for the team individually, up and down and with yourself. 920 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: But every player, every coach I talked to couldn't say 921 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: enough good things about the way you handled your situation 922 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: all year and that Captaincy meant something to you, didn't it. 923 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: And because the way you approached this season it certainly 924 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: felt that way. It does it does? I mean for 925 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: me being the leaders, what got me here? You know? 926 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: It wasn't you know, my ability? I think you know 927 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: Dan seeing that you know, he was coming into a 928 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: new regime, new outlook, and you know, he wanted a 929 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: better in that can keep the locker room together and 930 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, show the guys how, you know, what a 931 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: true professional was all about. And that's what I was 932 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 1: there to prove. You know. It was a little struggle 933 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: at first, but I just had to realize what my 934 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: purpose on the team was and what my value was. 935 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: And I think it was really just showing the guys 936 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: what a professional was all about coming into work even 937 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: though you're you know, you're not playing or whatever, being 938 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: bought into the system, and just showing that you know, 939 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what goes on you, you gotta be 940 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: a professional about you know, your business. And that obviously 941 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,759 Speaker 1: showed the second half of the season. How fun was 942 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: that eight and two and the season? How you just 943 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: we enjoyed it, but it was just like a because 944 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: we were so locked in week to week. On a 945 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: week to week basis, it's like every game was important, 946 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,279 Speaker 1: you know. Once once we turned it around, every game 947 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: was important, So it was like a week to week basis. 948 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: We enjoyed winning, but now I think, you know, these guys, 949 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: they know how to win. So you know, I remember 950 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: our first victory versus the Vikings and we were all hyping. 951 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: We were dancing in the locker room, and I remember 952 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: we got a cup week, we got a couple of 953 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: victories this year, and you know everybody's just like hey, 954 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: good Win, Goodwin, like now it's expected. Now I was expected. 955 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: Now it's expected. All right, Aidan Hutchinson is down here, 956 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: up for Rookie of the Year, obviously, the guy that 957 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: you worked with closely. It's just curiousness, Well, what did 958 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: you see from him when he stepped in day one 959 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: to OTA's to the guy he was at the end 960 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: of the year. There really wasn't a rookie wall for him, 961 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: my goel, it didn't see him and what's the future 962 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: hold for him? So so you know, what did you 963 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: see from him? And what do you like about his future? 964 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 1: Um Man? I just like his professionalism as a rookie 965 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: was crazy. It was you know, it almost like he 966 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 1: was in the league five years. You know, just how 967 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,479 Speaker 1: he took the game, you know, to a technical level. 968 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: He's watching film like it was plenty of times like 969 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: I will go into the lock and I played. I 970 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: brought myself on going to the meeting room early and 971 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: know he will be in their first, watching film on 972 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: his pad, writing notes and stuff like that, and you know, 973 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: I just tell him, hey, man, what's up, Greatness? You know, 974 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 1: I just call it greatness, just messing with him because 975 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: you know I've seen that before. You know, I played 976 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: with Aaron Donald and he reminded me of him. You know, 977 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920 Speaker 1: I used to go into the meeting room early when 978 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: I'll played for the Rams, and I would see a 979 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: d in there watching bhim and studying his opponents. And 980 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, Hutch was doing the same thing. So to 981 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: see that and see that comparison, I was like, man, 982 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: this guy got he has a you know, great head 983 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,839 Speaker 1: on his shoulders, and you know he has a long 984 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,439 Speaker 1: career ahead of him. He's all about ball, all about ball, 985 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: all about ball and being being the best player he 986 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: can be for the team. When did you start to 987 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: see something unique in James Houston and obviously kind of 988 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: a hybrid guy when he was a stack linebacker and Laurida, 989 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,760 Speaker 1: then a pass rush edge guy on the line at 990 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: Jackson State. Then he was kind of a stacked guy 991 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: for you guys, and then on the line. And when 992 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: did you start to see that that maybe there's some 993 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: unique stuff with him? When he's on the ball player. Well, 994 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, it was all about just you know, him 995 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 1: locking in. You know, once once he got some coaches 996 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: under him that you know, just saying like, hey man, 997 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,920 Speaker 1: you're a little Russia like you can go out there 998 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: and you know, rush at practice and beat you know 999 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: the first team officers. Happens like all the time. You know, 1000 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: so like, you know, let's let's put some effort into it. 1001 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: And showed these coaches and as he as he built 1002 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: and and we started to lose guys here and there 1003 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: on the d line, he started to show, you know, 1004 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: what he could do, and and in practice and in 1005 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: the games, it showed you know, if he can just 1006 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: rush that passion and get after you, he can make 1007 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: some place. You see, a great example because what you 1008 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: talked about with aiding of a guy who gets locked 1009 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: in be about ball and take coaching. Understand scheme. It's 1010 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,399 Speaker 1: not just about having the skills. But when he incorporated 1011 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,439 Speaker 1: all that to it, then you saw the whole game 1012 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 1: maybe can start to come together for sure. Yeah, And 1013 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, AG's defense is not an easy 1014 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: defense to learn. And you know, for a young guy 1015 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: to be as locked in as he was, you know, 1016 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: because you know, he just jumped in and it was hot. Yeah, 1017 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, we were already rolling when he jumped in there, 1018 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,560 Speaker 1: so he had to kind of he was already up on, 1019 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, on the stuff at you know, at practice, 1020 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: being on the on the scout team or a practice spot. 1021 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: But you know, when he really started to roll, it's 1022 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: a different experience, you know, when you got to learn 1023 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,400 Speaker 1: your drops and coverages and stuff like that. So I 1024 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: just you know, take my habit off to him to 1025 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: be able to you know, take on that that that 1026 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: toll and be able to get it done. I want 1027 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: to ask you about a rookie Lancers didn't see a 1028 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: ton of because done with injuries early on. But but 1029 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: Josh Pascal, and what do you see from him in 1030 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: the talent level there with him? He's got some versatility 1031 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: to his game. I mean he does, he does. He's 1032 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: very very fast, very quick off the line, very explosive. Um. 1033 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: I mean he gets some some technique you know under him, 1034 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: some more technique with some coachinges just working on his hands. 1035 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: You know, he was kind of raw coming out of 1036 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: the UH, coming out of Kentucky and you know, using 1037 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: his hands and stuff like that. But that's that's just 1038 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: what growth. With growth. You know, you're a young guy, 1039 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, learning to use your hands in his game 1040 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: as a savvy move. It's at it's it's veteran things, 1041 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: you know. So I think, just what growth. He'll learn 1042 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: those things and he'll be a phenomenal player. People sometimes 1043 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: use the term clue pieces. There's clue guys on the roster. 1044 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: To me, a couple of those guys seems like Isaiah 1045 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: bugs and John commenced. And is that an accurate assessment? No, 1046 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: that's being honest, man, being honest, because you know, those 1047 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: guys were all about the team. They bought in so quickly. 1048 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,799 Speaker 1: I mean, it was crazy just to see how how 1049 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: quick you know, they adapted to the room. You know, 1050 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: we tried to keep our room fun and end up beat. So, uh, 1051 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: they adapted really quickly. And to be honest, man, we 1052 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: were a close unit. Yeah, close unit. We We hung 1053 00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: out a lot, We went out on little you know, 1054 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: dinner dinner nights and stuff like that for d line 1055 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,000 Speaker 1: and uh, man, we're just a close unit. We we 1056 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: all wanted to see each other succeed and watching John 1057 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: go out there and you know, once he got his 1058 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: first start, and I told him, man, you deserve this. Man, 1059 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: don't don't think you don't. You're not supposed to be here. 1060 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: You deserve this shot and go out there and ball, 1061 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: don't think about nothing else. And man, he had the 1062 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,840 Speaker 1: hell of a season. That's important, isn't it too. Brock 1063 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: Is is just the closest the offensive line has talked 1064 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: about that, how they're all brothers in that room and 1065 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: go out and it sounds like it's the same thing 1066 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 1: with the defensive line. That's an important part of of 1067 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000 Speaker 1: of team and winning and building culture, isn't it. Yeah? 1068 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Because I mean, you want to 1069 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 1: know that the guy next two years is going to 1070 00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,120 Speaker 1: have your back. If you know the guy next year's 1071 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: gonna have your back in every situation upboard down, you know, 1072 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: you know you can you can ride with that guy, 1073 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's the biggest thing, because 1074 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: understanding who you're playing with, who you're playing for, and 1075 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: you you know, when you you know, when we grow 1076 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: together and you go through training camps and you know, 1077 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: you you build that bond man playing playing in you know, 1078 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,560 Speaker 1: on that battlefield and on that field is is uh, 1079 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: it's easy. It's easy. What is your future hold, Michael Man, 1080 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, Man, I don't know, man. I'm just enjoying, uh, 1081 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,399 Speaker 1: you know, not playing football right now, you know, uh, 1082 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 1: enjoy sleeping in uh you know, besides helping the kids out, 1083 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, in the morning. But yeah, da dad, dude, 1084 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: he's got to do my dad dude is But you know, 1085 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: I get a nap in between. But for the most part, 1086 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying just you know, just living life right now. 1087 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: Just uh uh owner. You know, I own a restaurant, 1088 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,880 Speaker 1: own a cigar and lounge in Houston, so um, you know, 1089 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: being an entrepreneur right now, and and just focusing on 1090 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 1: that right now. Well, I would tell you what. We 1091 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: will not have a better guest on or better dressed guests. 1092 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: Oh come on. On the twenty minute in the Huddle 1093 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,359 Speaker 1: podcast asked the Super Bowl this week's there's you want? 1094 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the award is over, it's yours. Thank you, 1095 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael Brockers. Thanks for taking the time. Great 1096 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: great job this year, you know, really helping along the 1097 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: young guys. It was fun to to to watch this 1098 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: team evolve. You were a big part of that. Appreciate 1099 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: taking the time and I appreciate it. Thanks Man, thank you,