WEBVTT - Darren McGuire 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.960 We would like to dedicate today's episode to our friends, 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:07.400 mentor and coach Dean Copkov. We miss you, Bud all 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:09.760 the love in the world. He was such an important 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.600 part of the show, but also an important part of 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.000 our lives and a dear friend who touched so many 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:19.880 people over the course of his life and career. Dean, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.880 we love you and you're always with us. Thank you 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.240 for everything and for the person that you will always 0:00:29.240 --> 0:01:06.880 be in our hearts. Hello, Tom, how are you today? 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.280 I'm good? Thank you? How are you? I'm good? I 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.640 am calling you from the eight and seventies or podcasting. Yeah, 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.800 you are in London. I take it. I am in London. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.880 Oh my goodness. Though, here is my favorite fucking person, Darren. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.160 Can you hear us? My god, I can hear you guys? 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.520 Yet we have the most special guest today on the podcast, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.119 the one and only Darren McGuire. How are you guys? 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.240 Go to see you man? You too, buddy? How are 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:43.080 you doing too? I'm great? What about are you in 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.520 the world? What's what's your time zone? Well, I'm in Toronto, okay, 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.640 and I am just lately I've been working with my 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.280 brother Chris on Star Trek Discovery. Amazing, amazing, Yeah, it 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.160 really has been amazing. They have this, They have the 0:01:58.240 --> 0:01:59.920 A R Wall. I don't know if you've ever heard 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:03.520 of this. It is a piece of technology that was 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.760 originally used on the Mandalorian and if you can imagine, 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.840 I don't know the exact proportions, but like half a 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.639 studio of screens, you know, in a curve in an 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:19.000 arc so that and then it's on the ceiling too, 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:21.520 and then it's on the floor too if they want it. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:28.480 So you are completely completely surrounded by filmable background, so 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.280 being you know, if you're on an alien planet, it's 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.840 super handy, right because now for you guys, for you know, 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.240 for the performers, if you're supposed to be a creature 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.200 or something to that effect, you can see them and 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.080 have your eyeline. They can even light with it. It's amazing. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.320 So I've been doing a bunch of that lately. It's 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:50.760 been amazing. That's incredible. Yeah, Well, Darren, we are so 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.040 so so thrilled to have you on the podcast today. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.520 You've been someone that we have talked about extensively in 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.519 our rewatches and it's just such an honor and a 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.639 privilege to have you here today, and we miss you. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.959 It's been amazing to see you guys too. I've I've 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:07.520 missed you. I think about you all the time. I 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:11.160 tell stories about stuff that we did together all the time. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.640 It's amazing, how you know, I've been at this for 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.680 a while. I've done a bunch of stuff now, I've 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:20.920 been working with Giamo del Toro lately. And everything that 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.640 you learn along the way helps you along the way. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:31.600 And I just learned so much about staging because you 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.320 guys were so talented and so willing to work hard 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:40.280 at whatever we were doing. Um, it opened up a 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:45.560 lot of possibilities for me creatively in terms of, um, 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.680 how we shot it. I know we're going to get 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.560 into all of this, but it was it was really 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.120 you the cast that made it possible, um and kind 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:59.480 of opened up my horizons creatively. And I look back 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:03.760 at it and out and I realized how lucky I 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.000 really was, and not that I haven't worked with super 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.160 talented people still since then. I have. It's been amazing, 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:15.240 But UM, you guys were one in a million. You know, 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.000 you all worked so hard at everything we did, and 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.200 for me as an instructor, like as a teacher. When 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.080 you have somebody like that that you're working with every 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:30.080 day at work is awesome, you know everything, And I think, look, dude, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.160 that's really sweet of you to say. But for us, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.520 I don't think I'm speaking out of turn with cat 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.240 here either. You know, we are hard workers, like that's 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.080 something we love to do. We we enjoy what we 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.960 do as you do. But the difference of having an 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.960 instructor who gels who I like, having someone that you're 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.560 excited to come and work with every day. We give 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.920 all of the credit to you because we we were 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.360 trained by you. We did all the work with you 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:57.839 and with your team, UM, and you inspired us to 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.200 to want to work the way that has now sort 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.600 of become our uh mantra like this is how this 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.960 is how you work. UM. So we have you to 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.720 thank for that, really, and I'll just echo that truly 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.480 and just say, you know it's it's Don and I've 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.480 both gone on to jobs where we've had to do 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.960 stunts and fighting and action sequences and things like this, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.640 and it's having the foundation and having someone like you 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.080 and and folks like your team that taught us everything 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.160 we know and inspired us and taught us not only 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.560 the mechanics of what we're doing and how to apply 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:32.839 it to film, but also how to be safe and 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:35.839 how to keep ourselves and people around us safe and 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.320 you know, moving into other sets. It's really been the 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.000 most amazing resource to have. And and I just I 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.719 think about you every day and I'm inspired by you 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.280 every single day. So it's just it's it's the biggest gift. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:54.240 You opened our horizons in so many ways. Thank you, Cat, 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.440 that's amazing of you to say so. And got it'd 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.080 be great to get the band back together, right like, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.720 Oh man, I I still I still text every now 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.320 and then with Matt Hastings, and I still in touch 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.120 with Chris Hatcher. On occasion, I did sex Life form 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:16.279 us earlier in the year. And yeah, I just think 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.080 about what we had. I think about, um, you know 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:25.119 there are training room, Um just that space, man, every 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.760 lunch time we were there, so they started telling us 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.880 not to We were on the mini tramps and gise 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.479 different toys and whatever. It was. It was awesome. Oh yeah, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.479 it was awesome. And again, like when I would you know, 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.120 and as a stunt coordinator, I'm sometimes I'm able to 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.800 engage myself completely with the fight action or the training 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.599 action that we're doing. And sometimes I have to go 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.200 back and forth in meetings and prep and dealing with 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.000 whatever all the other aspects of the job. And so 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.040 when I would come walking into the room and I'd 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.560 see one or more of you in there, and you know, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.160 when you'd normally be with Dean, and I would want 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.359 were more. It was such a good feeling. Man. It 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.159 was just that it was such a good feeling. And 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.360 I feel like, you know, guys, we meet the most 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:13.040 of it, man, we did, I would agree, before we 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.600 dive into everything. Probably, why didn't you tell us a little? 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.840 I mean, we know most of this, but ondn't you 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.040 tell the audience a little about you? How you got 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.160 into this, how you got attached to the show? Like, 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:29.480 give us a little a little Darren lowdown? Alright, alright, Um, Well, 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.800 I grew up in northern Ontario, in Sudbury, in a 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.520 mining town about I guess it's about four and a 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:41.360 half hours north of Toronto. And my father, uh, my 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.320 grandfather was a boxer, and so my father learned about 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.280 boxing as a really young kid, and then later in 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.560 the early sixties, his cousin, my dad's cousin started taking 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.680 a style of karate called shoto kan uh, and he 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.440 showed my dad a few moves, being you know, my 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.920 maguire was Irish, right, so the cousins like to fight 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.680 a little bit, you know, And so my my dad's 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.000 my dad's cousin had some new moves, you know, and 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.239 my dad was impressed, and so that's what started his interest, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.200 and so he got involved in it in the early 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.720 sixties and the early seventies are the late sixties and 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.080 the early seventies is really when he got zoned in. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.680 And I was born around that time, and my dad 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.880 started teaching us. I mean, you know, we had we 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.199 had our karate gs or karate uniforms when we were 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.200 still just a little baby. But you know, I was 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.440 still seeing my g you know, I was just a 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:42.040 little kid, and yeah, and he taught us. He taught 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.800 us the basics, very much like what I taught you 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.640 guys when I first when we first started working together, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.480 the basic punches, the basic blocks of building the arsenal 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.280 then and that just continued through our lives, myself and 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.640 my brothers, my four brothers. It was just a family 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.240 treaty and you know. It definitely made the sibling rivalries 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:06.200 more fun. Um, I'm sure you know. And my dad 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.319 had oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. And my dad had rules. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.480 You know, we weren't allowed to fight with weapons inside 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.240 the house. You know, stuff would get broken. Yeah, whether 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.959 it was vosses or bones, one of them. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.840 It was a hole holes in the ceiling from the 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.880 niw Chuck who you know are like, oh my gosh, 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.400 I remember so many incidents. One time I was chasing 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.959 my brother Chris, who you worked with, you know, Um, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.000 and I had the sword and all he had was 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.080 the fire poker, and so we were fighting and he 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.000 was and I was chasing him, poking him in the 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.120 butt with it, and the hook on the fire poker 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.720 hooked onto the corner of the wall and pulled the 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.960 whole corner of the wall out. And we had just 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.560 finished building this house so quickly before my dad got home. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.920 We had the drywall out and we're like plastering it 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.960 and standing it and using this air dryer to dry 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.680 it off. You know. Oh yeah, yeah, it was it 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.480 was like that. It was you know, that that we 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:10.000 were a little crazy, you know, and then that just yeah, 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.400 and then I competition started to be more of an 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.920 aspect of all of our lives. And we competed heavily 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:20.720 in martial arts, um you know, right into my mid twenties, 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.679 and it went from regional to sort of provincial to 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.000 international kind of thing. And I knew, I mean, since 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.800 I was fifteen years old, I knew that I wanted 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.160 to work in film. I knew that I wanted to 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:40.640 somehow bring my martial arts obsession into into film. And 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.000 so my last sort of big international competition was a 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.760 World Championship that was in Lester in England, and we 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.200 were training in Toronto, and I got a contacted from 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:58.320 somebody that was doing sort of low budget chop sake films, 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.040 and uh I I played hookey from training with the 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:05.280 with the World Championship team, I played hockey for four 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.959 days to shoot a couple of fight scenes with Billy 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.240 Blanks in a movie. And that's really how it started. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.439 And then it was just stunts, you know, you know, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.760 and the stunts got more intense. It was still I 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.920 was still a fight specialist and acrobatic specialist, but you know, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.760 I got lit on fire and thrown downstairs and hit 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.320 by cars and stuff along the way, and um, in 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.360 the stunts right not that wasn't That's not how you 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.880 make your way in Hollywood. For anyone listening, you don't 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.440 have to go through any of that. I don't think 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:41.480 it is just stunts, totally stunts. And it was a 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.400 gradual thing, you know. I mean, initially the jobs that 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:49.400 I got were completely fight based, and then as I 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:54.760 got my education with really excellent stunt coordinators Marco Bianco, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.679 John stead Rick forsythe and these these people all contributed 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.160 to teaching me about the craft of stunts and not 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.200 just how to fall down a flight of stairs properly 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.760 or how to do a high fall into boxes properly. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.480 To um, I was going to bring it up at 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.720 some point, it's got to come up. Oh yeah, baby, 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.920 we've spoken about We've spoken about it on the podcast already. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.080 Funk it. We're gonna do it now. We've spoken about 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.160 it on the podcast already. And how furious I was 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.760 that that day They were just like, nah, there's no 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.200 way you're not going to do it, And I was like, 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:31.680 We've done it. We did it off a cherry picker. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.559 It's so much harder and and the thing is the 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.760 story that I like to tell about that, And I 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.959 know we'll get back into it. But so I remember 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.080 looking at you and you're looking me in the eyes 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.800 and you're saying, I want to do that gag, and 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.920 I'm thinking, okay, you had already proved your athleticism to 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.560 me up to this point, and I knew you had 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:59.239 nerve um, and so I thought, okay, well I'm gonna 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:03.040 present with what what I would present with another stunt performer, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.920 which was the test where we bring up the mini 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.160 tramp and we had the pad and I laid a 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:13.360 piece of paper towel on the matt and and said, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:14.920 you know, the deal was that you had to dive 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.400 off the mini tramp comes straight down head first into 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.440 the mat, and before you roll to your back, you 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.800 had to snatch the paper towel off the surface of 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.560 the mat to flip onto your back to do what 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.680 we call the face off. And so I thought, this 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.160 will teach him, this will, this will, this will give 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.360 him a little fear of therapy. And he does it 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.839 correctly the first time he tries it, and I'm like, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:45.240 of course he does what what? And remember dumb, I 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.520 was like, no, dude, do it again, you know, And 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.439 I look over at Dean and Dean's looking at me 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.640 because I thought, this is how I'm going to get 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.959 out of this, because I knew Disney Safety wasn't gonna 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:59.480 like it one bit, right, so of course not, and 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.000 so they then he did it again, and then he 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.160 did it again three in a row, and now you're 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.120 just showing off. Now you're starting to get in to 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.640 the pike, and you were like, you know, So then 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:12.520 I thought, all right, says a Dean. And I talked 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.600 about it. Um We're like, he's like, what do you 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.760 think about? And I'm like, it was where he is 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.880 in space, and I'm trying to think in my head too. Dom. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.560 As soon as I saw you do that, I started thinking, okay, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.600 so then now I have to build a case for 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.600 Disney Safety so that they can see why I would 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.560 think you would be safe for a stunt performer to 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.080 do that, and how I would test the stunt performer, right, 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.760 and so obviously the testing process is risky, Dom, as 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.360 you recalled, and I was worried about it, but yeah, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.520 you just got it. And so then we went to high, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.680 a little higher, a little higher, a little higher, and 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.400 you weren't hesitating, And so I remember the last conversation 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.080 with Disney Safety and he said, he said, look, we're 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.920 gonna we're gonna talk about it over here. And I said, okay, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.240 and I said, and I made it clear, I said, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.960 I trust it him a hundred percent to do this. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.200 And it really was the last minute, It really was. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:17.720 And I listen and it's exactly and I have the footage, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.080 so I know that it's that I've done it. And 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.320 it's funny. Do you remember for training because we got 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:23.600 it to the height of the bridge and there was 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.200 only one patch in the studio that was physically high 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.840 enough to bring us to that place, and we had 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.200 to bring the whole rig and everything to there. Um. Yes, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.520 it's such an interesting thing. We talked about trust a 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.600 lot on this podcast, a lot about trust, mostly in 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.760 relation to performing, like you have to trust your other performer, 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.600 and it's exactly the same thing with stunts, if not 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.760 more so with stunts. And I remember I watched that 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.880 video all the time. You know, I'm showing people like 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.680 I jumped with It's not a big deal or whatever, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.200 just you know, blow my trumpet and there's not very 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:57.480 many people in the world that I would trust to 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.800 hold the back of my trousers while I'm stood over 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.240 three levels high of cardboard boxes, looking straight down at 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.160 thirty ft and looking at your eyes, looking straight up. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.080 There's not many people I would trust to say you 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.480 can do this. And you and Dean were those two 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.000 people in my life and always will be you, always 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.560 will be that person in my life. And you told 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:17.480 me that I could jump off the Empire State and 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.800 survive it. I mean, please don't say that, but if 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.160 you told me I could, I think I think I'd 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.560 hop off. You know, Thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.360 That's just it, as you know, for folks that are 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.600 you know, this kind of schedule we were on and 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.040 the sort of things that we wanted to be able 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.680 to do to play these characters. You made it. Not 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.240 only did you make it possible, but you made it safe. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.080 And you you gave us that trust and that confidence 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:43.920 not only in ourselves to the training, but in you 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.040 and your team and Dean and everyone else to to 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.720 be able to do things that I've not been on 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.880 the show since It's let me do as much then 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.120 being able to walk into their shows with that confidence 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.400 of going yeah, I can you show me what to 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:57.720 do and you make it safe, I can do it. 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.440 It's invaluable. Well it was, you know. And I have 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.480 to say though, as we keep passing credit back and forth, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.560 it really is like that. Guys, like like we were 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.680 able to create that momentum and push the boundaries the 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.960 way we did because it was a combination of my 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:24.640 experience as a teacher and I could see different things 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.119 in all of you, you know, like like with with you, Dom, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:33.240 you are a natural. Uh, you're a natural athlete. Not 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:37.600 just the physical ability, jumping ability, strength to wait, there's 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.439 all those sort of things that go in the toolbox. 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:43.800 But when I say a natural, I mean that that 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.359 your natural instinct is usually the right one movement wise 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.400 or momentum wise. It's just it's just how you put 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.840 in movement wise. There We've been out drinking together and 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.360 he's like, I'm going to make sure that I say, 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.399 his instincts are good when it comes to movement, but 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:05.320 not necessarily like choices nothing, but it's all part of it, dum. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:09.600 That confidence comes from from getting the right take on 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.600 stuff right. And I remember my first exposure to you, Cat, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.760 I was like watching you and I could see, I 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.639 could see a dance background, I could see a discipline 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:24.399 in your movement, and but really what I noticed is 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:28.400 your attention to detail. It's such a thing. And it's 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.320 interesting too, because I know that Clary's Clary is an artist, 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:37.640 if I recall correctly, and artists and artists pay very 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.760 close attention to detail. And I found that it was 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:47.160 interesting that your approach to the training and you had 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.679 a tendency to pick out the details, and so I 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.000 could grab onto that and I could get into cahoots 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.119 on what to do with your character physically. It was 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.720 just such a thing. I just I just, oh, that's 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.680 very easy, because she already approaches it in a way 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.160 that I imagine that Clary would. Of course, there's all 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.240 of the natural aptitude that I find in you, but 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.639 it's it was your details and your and your You 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.000 worked hard at it, you really did. You were in 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.960 there with Dean all the time, YouTube all of you 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:25.240 as much as I possibly. It's that attention to detail 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:45.240 that always inspired me and everything that you did. Whenever 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.120 we talk about the fights, it's that character story within 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.800 the fight that's it's almost a separate plot line that's 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:54.639 driving everything and the way you've blended different pieces and 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.120 attributes of different martial arts to create each supernatural characters 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.280 fighting style. It added so much to the show and 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.439 so much depth to the stories that we were telling 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.600 that people picked up on, and it it created the 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.520 world in another another facet that wasn't any of the 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:13.040 sets or the costumes or the dialogue or anything. It 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:16.240 filled out the world in such a rich way. Thank 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.399 you so much. It's so interesting how it happened to 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.040 I did a pilot with Hubert and it was Ransylvania 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.879 was a CBS thing and Hubert was the Wolfman. It 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.800 was super cool, and anyway I was. I was hoping 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.639 to get onto this other thing afterwards, and it didn't happen, 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.560 and I was a little sulky, and so I went 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.800 up north camping and I was up there for a 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:42.760 few days. And when the places that I go generally 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.880 there's no cell signal, there's no cell phones, there's no 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.520 it kind of like I definitely go off the grid, 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.000 as you guys remember. And when I came back out, 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.760 there was a email waiting for me from Matt Hastings, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.359 who I had never met or heard of, and it 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.719 was basically just him saying that he had heard some 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.040 good things about me from another producer that I had 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.159 worked under, and wondered if I would be willing to 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:08.800 show up for an interview. And he didn't even say 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.120 what the show was. There was just the address where 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:14.359 I was supposed to go. Literally was like the next 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.240 day when I checked out the address, I realized what 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.640 the show was because you guys had done the first 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.760 season and and then I realized what it was, and 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.240 I quickly watched. I think I got through two or 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.200 three episodes of the first season to get a sense 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.399 of what it was. And then there I was the 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:38.080 next day, you know, doing my interview, and I already 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:42.040 had some ideas about things that I thought I could 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.000 contribute to based on what I had watched in the 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.119 first couple episodes and got a bit of a sense 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.080 of of all of your movement. Already. I had no 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:53.520 idea how amazing you guys were going to be, But 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.959 in my view, I was like, Okay, I don't know 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.240 how much they've been taught. They didn't know anything about 0:21:58.240 --> 0:21:59.879 what you guys had learned to get you through that 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.080 first season, and I thought, Okay, we could take this further, 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.280 you know, yeah, and they were so they were so 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.760 open to suggestions and worked really well with me in 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.639 terms of some of the stuff that I thought you 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.560 guys needed in order to make it safer and also 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:22.280 to open up the possibilities for our fights. Like, um, 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.560 the staff which was originally was just a whip for 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:29.040 Emerald's character, and I had an issue with that. I thought, 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.760 now we need to make a staff out of that, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.120 and again Matt Hastings agreed, and everybody really worked hard 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.760 to produce something that that was going to be practical 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.640 and that we could expand you know, all the new 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.760 weapons that we got to squeeze in there as the 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:48.040 time when um, yeah, I really had a plan. I 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.040 really did, and I hadn't had an imagination like I 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:55.920 was imagining what was possible, though I didn't know that 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.359 you would all work so hard. So I ended up 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:00.199 being able to do stuff that was beyond on my 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:04.760