1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and I 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, We're scrubbing in. This is a special midweek 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: episode featuring a recap on The Gray's Anatomy premiere, US 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: losing the People's Choice Award this year, etcetera, etcetera. You know, yeah, 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, how are you doing, Tanya. You know, 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I was like a little bit bummed. 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: Um when I found out. I was bummed for sure, 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: But then quickly I turned that around and I thought, 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: you know what, Let's aim higher. Let's aim higher. Let's 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: figure something out for I mean, we're still gonna come 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: back with a vengeance for a pc A, don't get 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: me wrong, but I think we need to kind of 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: create some goals, maybe set some bigger dreams for one. 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: And so I want to look into emmy categories. I 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: just I love you, and I love the aim higher, 17 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: aim bigger mentality that you have really for everything in life. 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: And you kept, you know, like every time we talked 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: about the People's Choice Award and like us losing and 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: like it's okay, like we'll be back you kept saying, 21 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: let's SAYIM higher, and I just was like, but really, 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: like in the awards, there's limited podcast awards, so we're 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: gonna either have to have a hit show come out 24 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: in the next year, or maybe we write a song 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: together about the podcast and maybe when a Grammy. But 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: I think our options are quite limited, So I respect that. 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. That viewpoint. Okay, however, has taught me anything. 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: It is if there is a will, there is a way. 29 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: So I think that there are a lot of categories 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: for the Emmy and for the Grammys. Eastan just mentioned 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: that the Grammys have the spoken word. I don't know 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: the technicalities, but I am going to look into them. 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: I believe it must. It might be a book, but 34 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: it could be a comedy special, it could be a 35 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: live show special. I mean, I don't know, but there 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: are loopholes that I believe I can figure out and 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: then we can maneuver our way in. I have an 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: idea what it would be very cool to win a 39 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Peabody Award. Tell me more about that. It's a very 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: prestigious award that honors the most powerful and lightning and 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: invigorating stories and television, radio, and online media. And podcasts 42 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 1: have won it before. Wait, what what is the description again? Well, 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: the Peabody Award honors the most powerful and lightning and 44 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: invigorating stories in television, radio, and online media. For example, 45 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: s Town one one a Peabody, Dolly Parton's America one 46 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: a Peabody. These are all podcast serial one of Peabody. Yeah, 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: so basically, we're gonna really have to step up our 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: game to get to those adjectives invigorating. We're really gonna 49 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: have to. It's funny though, because when we when we 50 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: when we found out that we lost, I was like, 51 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: you know what, wasn't the best year for the podcast? 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: I know, for even for me personally, I feel like 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: I took a dark I took a dark turn at 54 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: the beginning of the pandemic where I was just kind 55 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: of lost. I was sad, I wasn't seeing people. Uh, 56 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: I was unsure um, And I'm sure that came across 57 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: in the podcast. I met people are probably like yeah, 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean I to be honest, I was so shocked 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: that we were nominated because I really didn't feel like 60 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: it was the our year for the podcast. I felt 61 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: like we were going through a lot of personal stuff. 62 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: And like growth in a lot of areas, which everyone was. 63 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: But it's interesting because I'm actually a fan of Ember 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Chamberlain and she won the UM She actually one two 65 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: People's Choice awards, but she won the Pop podcast and 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: I follow her on Instagram. I always see her TikTok's 67 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: and I feel like she had maybe the biggest year 68 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: of her life or career, like a huge year. So 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: I think it was very fitting that she took that 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: one home because to be honest, I know that the 71 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: Scrubbers could pull through and win it for us, but 72 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: I almost didn't feel like we like the podcast was 73 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: up to the level that it needed that it has tapar. 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is I I'm not familiar 75 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: with i'm a Chamberlain, but I did. I gave her 76 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: shout out and I said, congratulations, Emma. You know, I'm 77 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: not a sore loser. I'm happy that she when I'm 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: glad that another woman one and that there's another female 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: in our you know, winning UM family or whatever you 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: call it. So I did, you know, congratulations to her. 81 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm happy for her and her listeners. UM. But I 82 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: just think that it did kind of you know, as 83 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: if let's let's pretend that UM, I felt as though 84 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: we're a salad dressing and we kind of started to cook. 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some all oil, there's some water, 86 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: there's some pepper, and it kind of gets separated. We 87 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: need to shake up our salad dressing a little bit 88 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: and think outside the box and and aim higher. I'm 89 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: very in pursuit of this. UM. Next week is Thanksgiving 90 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: and I have a little time on my hands, so 91 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: I'm going to do some research. And then once I 92 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: do the research, we got to do the work. Yeah. 93 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it comes down to uh 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: kind of feeling like a breath of fresh air. And 95 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to, you know, getting actually 96 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: listened to ms podcast, and the thing I think that 97 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: people are drawn to about her is that she's very 98 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: much just like she just talks. There's no filter, there's 99 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: no you know, it's just like she just talks, and 100 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: you feel like you're sitting there listening to best friend 101 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: tell you a story. And I ultimately think that part 102 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: of why people connect to this podcast is for that reason. 103 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: But I think because this year was kind of dark 104 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: and hard and I was feeling so over I know, 105 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: we both were, but I'm just speaking for myself, but 106 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: feeling so overwhelmed with so much going on that I 107 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: didn't feel like opening up about things I was going through, 108 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: and so therefore I almost felt like I was just 109 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of like a robot saying yeah. And like also 110 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: we were like I know, I was like scared to 111 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: say things because everybody was so like hypersensitive to everything 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: that people were saying, so I didn't want to like 113 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: miss step or miss say something. So I was in 114 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: my head a lot. Yeah, for sure, I think you 115 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: guys are being overly self critical. No, no, no, no, 116 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: I I genuinely like I'm saying this from a perspective 117 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: of like how I have felt internally, and maybe it 118 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: doesn't come across that way on the podcast, but I'm 119 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: telling you how I feel is that I think that 120 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: hit all of us personally, and then I do think 121 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: it affected the podcast because what's going on in our 122 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: lives affects how our podcast sounds, and so with their 123 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: not being a ton to talk about and also not 124 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: opening up about the struggles or relationships, whatever it was, 125 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: it kind of felt like there was just this wall 126 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: between us and the listeners. Even if we didn't intend 127 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: for it to be there. I wanted to be there. 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: I do feel like there was this disconnect well. And 129 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: also it's about who gets their their fans out to vote. 130 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, these are the People's Choice Awards, and I 131 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: think that our fans, as amazing and incredible as they are, 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: three years in a row is a lot to ask 133 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: for them to be doing this and getting other people's 134 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: emails and getting their parents and family and friends. It's 135 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot. And Tiktoker's mobilized. Man. When Tiktoker's want to 136 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: do something, there is no stop with them. So I 137 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: think that's what it came down to personally, not that 138 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: hers is better or yours was worse than in previous years. 139 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: I think it just came down to Tiktoker's, like when 140 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: the President had a rally in Tulsa and the TikTok 141 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: Has brought up all the tickets and then didn't show up, 142 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: like they really know how to make things happen. So 143 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: I think that's probably what it comes down to. And 144 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I think that you guys are fantastic and the show 145 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: is fantastic, and but your goals for improvement and next 146 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: level are admirable. It's gonna be we're salad dressing. We're 147 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna shake it up and we're gonna punch through this 148 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: wall that we felt and we're gonna we're gonna be 149 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: songs wall in And yeah, I do feel like weirdly reinvigorated, 150 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: like I feel shaken up and aside from the loss, 151 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: the actual pc as and like working a carpet again 152 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: and like doing all that felt so good, Like I 153 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: felt kind of back to myself in a weird way, 154 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: Like I felt really like re energized, and this this 155 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: pep in my step and we actually got the numbers 156 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: back for the stream and we like it crushed, we 157 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: like doubled what it was their last one, and so 158 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: like that made me feel good, you know what I mean, 159 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Like I'm feeling I'm feeling a little bit mojo coming 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: back and it feels good. That's amazing. I love to 161 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: hear you looked incredible, one of my favorite looks that 162 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: you've had. You been a minute since I've seen you. You 163 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: You just barvey it up like that and you really 164 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: killed it. So congrats, We're all proud of you. And 165 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: we're both wearing Taylor Solcion birds today, it just feels significant. 166 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: You know, we're I have folklore and she has reputation. 167 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: Reputation really didn't get the credit that it deserves. Everybody 168 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: kind of throws it away. But that album is fantastic. 169 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: It does have some great songs. I mean, it's hard 170 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: to write her albums because they all have great songs. 171 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: So if everybody kind of really poop pood reputation, I 172 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: believe like everybody kind of just like, oh, it's so 173 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: dark and it's tough to follow because you had like 174 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: five number one singles off and nine and was so 175 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: I was just superior to any album ever. Maybe I 176 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just I'm really here for the reputation. 177 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm knocking it up on my I'm gonna 178 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm knocking it up on my Taylor Swift Index. Okay, well, 179 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: well maybe we can do a poll and let people 180 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: vote for what they think is the true value of reputation. Yeah, 181 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean it's top three in my book. Okay, Well, 182 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: the whole point of this mini episode was Torika crazy. 183 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: There's like a lot to talk about, you know, there's 184 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: just I know, but like we've had three podcasts and 185 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: there's still more to talk about it. Always talk talk 186 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: about it. So, um, can I tell you my favorite, 187 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: my biggest highlight of the premiere of the premiere, the 188 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 1: duo I never saw coming and now I can't unsee it. 189 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Joe and Jackson Avery, I am so here for it. 190 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: I need them to be a couple. So they just 191 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: kind of teased us because she basically said, so spoiler alert. 192 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody had a week. So like, if you 193 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: haven't watched it, tough, Titti said, catching up like you 194 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: did so many years ago. So um, that one got Easton, 195 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: Thanks you so much. Tough, Titty said the kitty when 196 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: there was no milk. It's tough, Titti said the kitty. 197 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: But the milk is still good. Okay, Um, can we 198 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: say titty you just did three times? Okay. So I'm 199 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: a huge fan of the Jackson and Joe storyline. It's 200 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: weird because I don't know that I've ever I don't know, 201 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: like they it's so obvious that they could be together, 202 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: but never did you ever see that coming? That really 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: was like a like a like a lasso that just 204 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: just lassoed And I was just like, where did that 205 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: come from? And it's so good. How long do you 206 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: think before we get the storyline of them having a romance. 207 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I hope like next week. I'm nervous they're gonna dry 208 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: hag it out and have like awkward, like flirting encounters 209 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: because he's clearly into her, but he's like dating that 210 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: other chick from Station nineteen that I'm they broke up. 211 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me, incoming guests, let's be polite. Okay, Well, 212 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: but no, no, I don't say I mean Station nineteen. Well, also, 213 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm not really on board of Station nineteen, but um, 214 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: I'm not. I was on board with his relationship with her. 215 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: I like Maggie's relationship with the Station nineteen guy. He's 216 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: not from Station nineteen. Oh right, where is he from? 217 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: Some conference? He's from her childhood or like school or something. Metal. 218 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Have you watched the show at all? Trivia question? She's like, 219 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: I think she puts it on and then like works 220 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: and hears things in the background. Like it's true. I 221 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: usually sit down. I do my trending reports at night, 222 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: so I usually like sit on my computer whilst watching 223 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: whatever is on the tube. Well, I mean, it was 224 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: a great episode that they very much It was definitely 225 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: not one of those things that if you're trying to 226 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: avoid hearing or seeing anything regarding the pandemic or the virus. 227 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: It was not something you'd want to sit down and 228 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: watch because it was heavy. I can give you that 229 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: point of view from my wife. My wife said it 230 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: made her kind of stick to her stomach the whole time, 231 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: knowing that this is what's going on in every hospital 232 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: in America. It was a little bit too real for her. 233 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't escapism she was looking for. She did. She 234 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: did not like the first episode, second episode a little better, 235 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: but she's not so sure about this season. Yeah. I 236 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: kind of I agree with her in that sense that 237 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: it was a little too like the them having to 238 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: constantly tell people that they were dying in the families 239 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: and Schmidt and how many it was a lot like it. 240 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: It made me feel like I feel things, Yeah, And 241 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: I think that Grace Anatomy has always done such a 242 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: great job at addressing hard topics. But I do feel 243 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: like lately it's very much like um so mirrored to 244 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: what's going on in real life. And I do feel 245 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: like the older episodes they were a little more of 246 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: an escape from reality. But I do see the importance 247 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: of showing what's going on if they can, because their 248 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: medical show. But I it was a lot like to 249 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: see how stressful it is and that these surgeons aren't 250 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: like they're doing the scut work that they've never had 251 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: to do because it's so crazy and people, you know, 252 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: there's a short shortage on everything, and like the Teddy 253 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: and Owen thing, can we get to that? Oh, I 254 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: just slum your your bud um. First of all, Kim 255 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: Raber is the coolest. I felt like I was giggling 256 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: the whole time because she was just awesome. You better believe. 257 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: I took multiple trips to my grocery store that weekend 258 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: in hopes that I would run into her. I promise you, 259 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: she's ordering her groceries online. Now better believe if I 260 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: see her again, I'm going to go for sure, go 261 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: to her, be like, hey, she's like so scared, pulls 262 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: her hoodie tighter. Um. But I'm just confused because she 263 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: she's acting like nothing happened, Like he played her the 264 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: voicemail and she was so obviously shocked and hurt and whatever. 265 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: But then she goes to him as if they belong 266 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: together and that there should be no issue, and I 267 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: in her mind she said I'm marrying Owen, So it 268 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: was like it was almost just like a physical thing, 269 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: not an emotional thing. Is I guess how she's trying 270 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: to portray it right, Well, in this instance, I want 271 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: her to be Chorassic personally. I don't need her to 272 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: be with Owen. But I was kind of like, wait 273 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: a second. I don't think it's up to your who 274 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: gets like that. You get to control the conversation or 275 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: how this move forward, because you are the one who 276 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: left an orgasmic voicemail to your fiance with another man. 277 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: I was a little confused at the timeline a couple 278 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: of times, because it was all like, this is April, 279 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: then it was flashbacks, and it seemed to me that 280 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: the reveal between Owen and Altman was during now was 281 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: during present times during April, and that didn't strike me 282 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: as realistic that they would have waited since what February 283 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,479 Speaker 1: until April before he finally tells her what's been bothering him. 284 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: I kind of got the vibe that the pandemic hit 285 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: and they've been so busy and crazy that they haven't 286 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: even had a second to like focus on themselves and 287 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: that's kind of the That's how I took it. But 288 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,119 Speaker 1: also we finally got to see um April and Jackson's 289 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: little girl, and she was so cute. Harry, Yeah, I 290 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: felt like we forgot about her, Like I feel like 291 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: she was kind of gone for a while. She was 292 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: we haven't seen her, and she's grown up now, she's 293 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: a you know, little girl, she's not a baby anymore. 294 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: But she was so cute. Did I miss something or 295 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: did did we find out why Meredith was like laying 296 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: on the floor of the parking lot. Okay, so I 297 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: have theories because she falls and I think she's just exhausted. 298 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: That's what I don't want to be like Debbie down Er. 299 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I know Mark's going to come in and say she 300 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: has like a deadly tumor or something. But no, no no, no, 301 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: see I thought I thought because it came right after 302 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Teddy and Owen were like all upset and in a fight. 303 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: I thought that Owen like hit her or something. You 304 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: gotta pay closer attention. What the heck? No, No, like, no, obviously, 305 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: I know we didn't see that. I know, I know 306 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: we just saw Meredith on the floor, but it just 307 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: just just come right after they gotten that fight, and 308 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: so in my mind, I was like, Owen probably hit 309 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: her and No in the car like he was in 310 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: such a hustle from his fight with Teddy that he 311 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: like revers his car he hit somebody, didn't realize it 312 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: and just kept going. Didn't realize he hit a body 313 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: because he was so like disheveled. Okay, Tanya, I'm gonna 314 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: nix that theory I think comes true. You're gonna need 315 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: an apology on the pot. I will definitely apologize if 316 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: that theory comes true. I think she's literally exhausted and 317 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: so overwhelmed. I think the next episode it shows her 318 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: going into like a CT scanners or m R I 319 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: or something. I think that they're just checking her brain 320 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: because she fell, so they're just being cautious, and they 321 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: have her in a hospital bed just like recovering giving 322 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: her I V is trying to get her healthy, and 323 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: I think they're trying to make us think that something 324 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: really bad is happening. I think she just went into 325 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: a dream. Okay, exhaustion, dehydration, probably something along those lines. 326 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: But when she's seeing her dead husband could be a dream, 327 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: but it also could be that she's kind of teetering 328 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: on the afterlife here and he's kind of there, and 329 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: she's kind of in some limbo world where she could 330 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: be dying, And I just I did have that thought. 331 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: I feel like I could cry just talking about it. 332 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: When I saw Patrick Dempsey on the screen again and 333 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: his smile when he's yelling her name, I was just 334 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: smiling so big watching and I don't know, part of 335 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: me just wants him to bring him back. I don't 336 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: need an explanation of how he came back, bring him 337 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: back from the dead. I won't question anything. I won't 338 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: question it. You know what, do you know what made 339 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: me just happy about that entire thing is it was 340 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: like everybody knows we've had a crappy year and that 341 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: everybody's been wanting Derek Shephard back from the dead since 342 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: he died, and all those rumors out there about all 343 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: the squabble that happened between him and whoever. It's like 344 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: everything was just put to the side and they gave 345 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: us what we wanted, and it was so And also 346 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I was so impressed with the fact that none of 347 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: that leaked, Like that was such a shock, Like I 348 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: was so happy. I was like, good on all these 349 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: actors and these producers and these showrunners for keeping that 350 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: such a secret, because that was such a treat like that, 351 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: it was such a surprise, Like I don't think anyone 352 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: was expecting that. I can't believe. Like I was um 353 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: in Tahoe with a group of friends, so I didn't 354 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: watch it, And when I was on Twitter and saw everything, 355 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: I felt this sense of just devastation that I didn't 356 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: get to witness that live and experience that feeling of 357 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: just which it's always spoiled anyway because I always get 358 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: on social media and the East Coast is always talking 359 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: about something and I'm like, damn it. But yeah, I 360 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: just thought it was the best gift ever. And I 361 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: if they in the show with something happening to Meredith 362 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: and it has a scene where she reunites with Derek, 363 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be mad about it. Oh. I 364 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: hope they shot that when he was on, just in 365 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: case they needed someday. I'm hoping it seems like they're 366 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,719 Speaker 1: like in good. The whole thing is that I felt 367 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: as though things had ended poorly between everyone with Patrick 368 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: Dempsey and like whoever, I don't know. I just felt 369 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: like things in the end well, and so I think 370 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: just the fact that they did that made me feel 371 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: like anything can they can do whatever they like, he'd 372 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: be willing to do more. Christoph Vernoff, the show runner, 373 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: said that he is going to be in three episodes, 374 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: so this isn't the last we're seeing of him. Oh 375 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: that's right. Wow, I don't know. It was just the best, 376 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: which means which means she could potentially, you know, be 377 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: teetering in this near death experience for the next few episodes, 378 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: which I'm okay with. But then it's weird because she 379 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: has this really sweet, eat connection with DeLuca. There's something 380 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: that's like, really like cute about their relationship. And then Hayes, 381 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: the new doctor, I feel like there's something with him too, 382 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: So I feel like Mereth has got her hands full. 383 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm not into Meredith and Hayes. We haven't even given 384 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: it a chance. I prefer to Meredith and to Luca 385 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: not into it at okay, but y'all are so not 386 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: into Marathon de Luca at first, and now you're saying 387 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: you're into meredithon de Luca, so anything can happen. I'm 388 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: not into meredithon de Luca I get like a like 389 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: a sibling vibe from them, like not sexual. Yeah, I 390 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: agree with that. You know, like I don't know, I 391 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: think there's something cute. It ain't there, Okay, it ain't 392 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: there for you. Well, I know you are saying that 393 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: you're not UM, that you haven't watched Station nine team, 394 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: but I watched the I've watched a few episodes, and 395 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: then I watched the premiere and I watched the finale 396 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: from last season in the premiere of this season. Because 397 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: I do think they're intertwined. And I will say I've 398 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: never been disappointed in UM a Shonda land show. I 399 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: was obsessed with Scandal, I was obsessed with Private Practice. 400 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: I never watched How To Get Away with Murder. But 401 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: I know everyone loves Yeah so and I feel like 402 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Station nineteen is the same, and we get to see 403 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: some of the things with our Gray's Anatomy characters that 404 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: we don't see on Gray's Anatomy. Yeah, you know. I 405 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: respect the hustle of ABC, like they're really really trying 406 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: to get us there, and I am. I will keep trying. 407 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: I will keep trying UM. But I'm really excited because 408 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: today we have um boris co Joe coming on and 409 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: he is. He plays Robert Sullivan in Station nineteen, and 410 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: he's had a very interesting storyline and I would like 411 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: to I'm excited to talk to him because in Station 412 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: nineteen it's even more interesting because they have the COVID. 413 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: But then it's like the wildfires, which has also been 414 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: a thing, especially on here in California. So um, they're 415 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of hitting both. What did I say to COVID? Yeah, 416 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: yesterday was the one year anniversary of the first case 417 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: of COVID. No, you know what's wild is I remember 418 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: Secony talking about this like in the news, and I 419 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: was just kind of looking at her like you are, 420 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean? Like I thought she 421 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: was what's the word, like a hypocontract an alarmist. Yeah, 422 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: Like I was like, okay, chill, like slow your role 423 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: and then cut too. Now I'm like, wow, I know 424 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people on Twitter being like, 425 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: happy birthday, girly, thanks for making this year the worst yet. 426 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: All this stuff it was like Twitter's wild, But yeah, 427 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: it's weird because a lot of people were posting photos, um, 428 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 1: a year from yesterday, a year from two thousand nineteen 429 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: or whatever, I'm trying to say a year before what 430 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: they were doing you good, No, and um, it was 431 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: like a lot because you know, it's like award shows 432 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of a lot of stuff going 433 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: on right now with the holidays, and there's so many 434 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: people that were just out doing their normal things and 435 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad to see how much things have changed. 436 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: But on the flip side, the pc AS was kind 437 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: of exciting because it's like here we are doing like 438 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: award shows and we're just making it work. Yeah. Yeah, 439 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: it felt very like good and safe. They had a 440 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: lot of protocols in place. You know, obviously it's more 441 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: time consuming, but it's kind of just par for the course, 442 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: you know what i mean, Like you just it is 443 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: what it is. But what's funny what you're saying is 444 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: like what it was like last year when it's like 445 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: this year. Last year jingle Ball, we just all went 446 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: to a fun show concert, hung out, you know. Cut 447 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: to this year. I'm doing jingle Ball interviews with this 448 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: like step and repeat that they put in my studio 449 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: sporadically whenever the artists can do their interviews, and then 450 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same outfit. It so I'm just gonna 451 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: have to put on the same outfit whatever day that 452 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm looks like it's the same, you know what I mean. 453 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: It's so wild. Who yeah, well whatever, I'm grateful for 454 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: some normalcy. Yeah, and like I think it'll be super 455 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: fun and you know, it's something to do and it 456 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: will be like a fun like you're at a concert 457 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: obviously just from home. But it's just it's just interesting 458 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: how everything's Yeah, it's so different. Yeah, um, okay. Boris 459 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: is in the waiting room, so we're going to take 460 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: a break and then we'll be right back with him. 461 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: All right, we are back and we have Boris co 462 00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: joe In describing n O R. Welcome our lady, How 463 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: are you work? Great? How are you? Thank you so 464 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: much for taking the time to be here. Thank you 465 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: much pleasure. I just listened to Tanya and Boris talk 466 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: about plant based, plant based diet versus not plant based, 467 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: and I ate Jack in the Box earlier. So I 468 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: just was sitting and watching, listening, taking notes. You know, 469 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: they have they have a bunch of we have a 470 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: bunch of meat replacements now beyond meat is out, and 471 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: they're doing like chicken nuggets, and all and and breakfast sausages, 472 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: and it's actually some really really great stuff out there. 473 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: You should try good to know, good to know. I'm 474 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: just I'm all about fueling my body in the way 475 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: that makes me, um, like my engine run faster if 476 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: you will. Yeah. Do you want to feel that, you 477 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: want to feel good? Yeah? And unfortunately that we've been 478 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: taught so many different things and and sometimes it doesn't 479 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: serve our bodies. And again, everybody is different, So what's 480 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: good for you might not be good for me. And 481 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: you just have to figure out what makes you feel good, 482 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: what makes you feel stronger and healthier, and then keep eating. 483 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: There good advice, people, good advice. Um So, I just 484 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: this morning watched well, I watched the finale from Station 485 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: nineteen from last season, and the I watched the premier, 486 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: and your storyline is really interesting because it's um, he 487 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: has like this, he's battling this addiction to I guess 488 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: pain killer, pain medicine is that, and he's kind of 489 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: fighting of making himself better. But he's in this I 490 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: feel like this quick marriage with Andy and then it's 491 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: there's like all this complicated stuff going around and the 492 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: guy I can't remember his name, but the guy that 493 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: you went to the house with the private home that 494 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: you're working with drove me insane because that personality type 495 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: it's very common right now. Yes, unfortunately, Yeah, the trump 496 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: and the Trumpian gene Pool, Well, I just felt like 497 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: he it was just kind of a lot of people's 498 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of you know, they're working with the inmates of 499 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: people who have been arrested under charges of you know, marijuana, 500 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: and they're kind of getting another chance at life. And 501 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I think even for a long time I had the 502 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: mentality of like, like they did something wrong, Like why 503 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: are we you know, like you have that mentality of 504 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: like why do they get another chance? They did something wrong? 505 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: But the truth is is like so many of these 506 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: people deserve the second chance to kind of get a 507 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: fresh lease on their life and do better. Well, I think, 508 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to start with the fact that 509 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: black and brown people are incarcerated at a disproportionately high rate. 510 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: That's where it starts, right, Yeah, and you can and 511 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: then you can debate for what reasons they're being charged, 512 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: uh and and and then you find out that they're 513 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: they're giving much longer sentences compared to uh, you know, 514 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: white offenders. So this isn't this is an ongoing thing. 515 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: And like you just said earlier, we're living these weird 516 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: times right now. It's true there's a health pandemic going on, 517 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: but there's a whole lot of other pandemics as well. 518 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: There's the economic pandemic that people are suffering from. There's 519 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: the social justice and and and uh, you know, racial 520 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: inequality and systemic racism pandemic that we're dealing with. And 521 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: I think we're in a pivotal moment right now in 522 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: history where you know, the issue of systemic racism has 523 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: been brought up again, but I think this time around, UM, 524 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: people have galvanized around the world to uh, to voice 525 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: their support of anti racism and to voice their support 526 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: of of black people, UM and really start acknowledging our 527 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: history of these past four hundred years and what it 528 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: has done to us as a society and why it 529 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: has sort of created this huge wedge between us and 530 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: and has has caused divisiveness that has now been amplified 531 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: by this president that's on his way out. So all 532 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: those issues have come up, and I always see the 533 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: silver lining and things, so so I I think Donald 534 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: Trump has enabled us to see and to figure out 535 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: how to be a part of the solution rather than 536 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: turning our heads uh and and and becoming a part 537 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: of the problem. So I welcome that. Yeah, I think 538 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: I've seen I mean personally had some I've learned so 539 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: much that I was so ignorant too. And I think 540 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: telling you also probably feels that way. And yeah, well 541 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: I think that for so long we kind of at 542 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: least I can only speak for myself, but um, you know, 543 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: I would say things like and because I truly feel 544 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: this way, I don't I don't see color, you know 545 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: what I mean? When I see I just see a 546 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: human being. And then throughout this entire like social justice movement, 547 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: I started to do research and realize that saying those 548 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: things is the problem, you know, and kind of going 549 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: back and and I think it's because I was you know, 550 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, with the color of my skin. I just 551 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't aware, I wasn't thinking, I wasn't I wasn't 552 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: digging for these things until now, And so it was 553 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of like this big exactly you didn't have to 554 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: and and you know, that's that's part of racism, you know, 555 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: It's not just overtly um violent and hate. There's parts 556 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: that are just as racist, for instance, apathy, that's what 557 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: you just spoke of. Apathy. There's ignorance, and there's wide privilege, 558 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: and there's so many levels, so many aspects to racism 559 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: that we never have acknowledged in this society that now 560 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: people slowly are understanding. Oh, I either am part of 561 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the solution or I am, by the fall, part of 562 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: the problem. So where do I want to end up? On? 563 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,239 Speaker 1: Which side of history do I want to end up? 564 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: And that that counts for us as individuals as well 565 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: as us collectively. Corporate America has to play a role 566 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: in that right, all of our institutions. Um. So it's 567 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: it's a really important time. And I think the first 568 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: step would I always tell my white friends, is there's 569 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: three things you can do. You can listen, you can 570 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: educate yourself, and you can show empathy, and those three 571 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: things will start the wheel turning in the right direction 572 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: and then we can go from there. Right. But if 573 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: you start by saying I'm not a racist, I got 574 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: nothing to do with this. It's not my fault. My 575 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: ancestors did that. Now you're turning the will in the 576 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: wrong direction, right, So, so I think again, this is 577 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: a great great This is is a strong word, but 578 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: it's a It's an important time in our history, and 579 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: I think it all depends on where we're going to go, 580 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: depends on how we act right now. Yeah, And I 581 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: would like to think, and this is again my hopeful 582 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: heart in this um, that the majority of majority of 583 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: people want to do right by everybody, you know what 584 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean. I feel like the majority of people want 585 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: to have everybody be treated equal, and that now it's 586 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of the lid has just been ripped off and 587 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: everybody's seeing everything for what it really is, and that 588 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: everybody now is truly trying to put in the work 589 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: to make a difference and be on the right side 590 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: of of history. I truly believe that, although it might 591 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: take a little more time than you know, but I 592 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: do feel like there's been a giant shift for sure. Yeah, 593 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: we just have to make sure it's not a phase, 594 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a true progressional movement. That's that's sustainable, right, um, 595 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: Because oftentimes, when when we were faced with these issues, UM, 596 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: when they're in vogue, we we love talking about it 597 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: because it's so in vogue. And then after three weeks 598 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: we get bored, and then we move on with our 599 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 1: lives because we can, because we're not personally affected. What's 600 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: important to remember is that there's people like myself who 601 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: have to deal with this every single day of their lives. 602 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: From teaching my kids to ask for a bag and 603 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: to insist on a on a receipt when they go 604 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: to trade to Joe's, to my son not being able 605 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: to play hide and seek in our neighborhood because and 606 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: become in somebody's backyard, to going down to the precinct 607 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: with my son and introducing him to every single cop 608 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: that's working these streets so they know his face. Um, 609 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: those things not not everybody has to deal with those things, right. 610 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: The fact that I had to tell Nicholas when he 611 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: was six years old he couldn't go to the park 612 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: with a super soccer and his friend, and he looked 613 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: at me like why, And I had to explain to 614 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: him that to me, a rice was shot playing in 615 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: the park with a with a play with a toy gun, 616 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: and that I didn't want that to happen to him. 617 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: And he said to me, but Daddy, I'll just tell 618 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: him it's a toy gun. Right. So, so this is 619 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: our reality, and I think that for white people it's 620 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: important to acknowledge that and to understand that there's a 621 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: reason why are we out there in these streets protesting 622 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: every single day, and that the only way for us 623 00:36:54,680 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: to move to greener pastures collectively is if we all 624 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: join fight. Um, that's very important. Yeah, well I do 625 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: feel you know, I was talking earlier about how, um, 626 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: like all of the shows on Shawn to Land, UM, 627 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 1: specifically Gray's Anatomy and Station nineteen have been so great 628 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: at addressing and mirroring kind of what's going on in 629 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: the real world. And UM, you know, a lot of 630 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: people were I think I've seen comments of people saying 631 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: that the seeing the pandemic played out on TV was 632 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: hard to to like almost process that that's what's happening 633 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 1: in the hospitals and what's going on. And um, were 634 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: you like excited to address these issues or were you 635 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: kind of nervous that people would feel stressed out about 636 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: having to live it in real life and then watch 637 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 1: it on TV. I insisted on it. Actually, I really 638 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: voiced my opinion been strongly in the writer's room before 639 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,399 Speaker 1: the season that we needed to address these issues, um, 640 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: because of what you just said. You know, I think 641 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: that the reality is that a lot of millions and 642 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: millions of people are suffering, and to ignore that, I 643 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: think would be disrespectful. Um. And we're playing first responders, 644 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: so we're in a great position to pay homage too, 645 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: and to represent these real life heroes that are putting 646 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: their lives in a lot every single day. So why 647 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: not do that, um, in front of the backdrop of 648 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: COVID Because we live in the COVID world. So we 649 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: wear masks, we talk about you know, zoom calls and 650 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: and and you know Christopher bern Off, our showrunner, UM, 651 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: and also you know Debbie Allen over in Graize Anatomy 652 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: and Shander. Obviously they've been so courageous to tell these 653 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: real and authentic stories. Um uh now it's COVID. Um, 654 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: They've they've tackled every single current issue you there was. 655 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: They have changed away we watch TV in terms of diversity, 656 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: and so to be a part of that is is 657 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: is an honor. Really yeah, I mean yeah, it's really cool. 658 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: And I mean I understand I do understand the mindset 659 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: of saying like, oh, I'm living through this and it's 660 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,479 Speaker 1: been so dark, But I do think it's kind of 661 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: it's dark. It's dark and like scary right now for 662 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: everyone just being in their homes, but these people who 663 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: are not sitting at home and they're working the front 664 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: lines and the first responders. It is kind of an 665 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: insight to how crazy and scary and sad and devastating 666 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: it is, and why people are saying like, please do 667 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: your part, like please be a part of the solution 668 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: and not a part of the problem. So, um, yeah, 669 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: I think it's really cool. I like I said, I 670 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: understand people being scared of it, but I do think 671 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: it's something that's necessary. With your character, he's kind of 672 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: going through, um, just some tough times. He's not with 673 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: the station anymore. He's in this new marriage where he's 674 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: needs time. Basically, he's like I need ninety days by 675 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: myself and kind of a lonely place for him. Like 676 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 1: where do you as an actor? I guess where do 677 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: you want his storyline to go? Like what would be 678 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: do you like him with Andy? Do you think this 679 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: marriage has any hope of surviving? I think it's interesting 680 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: to to to play a a commitment to not giving 681 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: up in the relationship. You know, I think that's very 682 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: interesting because easy to run for the hills when when 683 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: there's a challenge that presents itself. And in Robert Sullivan's case, UM, 684 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: he's dealing with chronic pain syndrome. He's he's an addict. 685 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: He's not being kicked off the fire department. So now 686 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: he's trying to find his bearings. And he's got this 687 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: new wife that he's in love with, UM who lost 688 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: her father. So she's going through a traumatic time in 689 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: her life finding out that her mother is actually alive, 690 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: which she thought was dead. So there's a lot of 691 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: personal trauma that these characters are dealing with. And then 692 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: they're dealing with COVID. So again, this is real. This 693 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,959 Speaker 1: is like real life, and I I embraced those those 694 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: opportunities to play these these level characters who are just 695 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: dealing with a whole lot of UM. And it's it's 696 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: fun for me. Yeah, I was gonna say, it's probably 697 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: so nice to do something that's um kind of in 698 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: a direction that challenges you that you know is very 699 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: real and it's it's hard. I mean, I have family 700 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: who's had addiction problems with painkillers, and so it's something 701 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: that a lot of people deal with, and a lot 702 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: of times I think people kind of shy away from 703 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: showing these stories because they're heavy and because they are 704 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: so real. But I mean, I guess, just like we 705 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: talked about, that's something that Shonda has really made sure 706 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: too focus on the realities of what people go through 707 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: and the hardships, and I think they then they always 708 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: balance it, you know, because life can be cruel and 709 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: it can also be beautiful at the same time. I 710 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: think that's another talent that that Shonda and Krista and 711 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: the Writer's Room have too, to balance between the adversity 712 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,400 Speaker 1: and the celebrating of life from the beauty of life 713 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: despite how dark it can get. Um and so that 714 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: that's also very important thing and they've done a really 715 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: really good job doing that. Yeah. I know that you 716 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: mentioned your kids, that you know, these conversations that you 717 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: have with your kids. Um, how long have you been married. 718 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: We've been married for fifteen years this year. Do you 719 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: recommend it? Yes, But I I don't recommend it for everybody. 720 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: So I always say, first of all, don't even think 721 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: about it in your twenties, because that's when you have 722 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 1: no idea who the hell you are. Yeah, right, Um, 723 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: you're just finding your your path in life. So I 724 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: always suggest wait till your thirties, um, women and men, 725 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,759 Speaker 1: and you're you know, I'm from Germany. We we don't 726 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: even talk about marriage until we're in the mid thirties. 727 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: Uh And and it helps uh cement you know, these 728 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: relationships in at least and individual knowledge of who you 729 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: are as a person, right, because I think, I mean, 730 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: if you get married as a twenty year old, it's 731 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: a it's a train wreck to waiting to happen because 732 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: you just have no idea who you are at I 733 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: couldn't even tie my shoes when I was twenty. Uh. 734 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: But you know marriage, marriage is great for some people 735 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: and it's not great for other people. So I don't 736 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: think you should try to fit into a box that 737 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: you're not You're not made for um. Right. And there's 738 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: so many social and cultural connotations to it, and and 739 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: religious beliefs that you want to respect, and and and 740 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: if you look around the world, there's so many different 741 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: ways of of creating a unit and and and being together. 742 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: So what works from would work for me does not 743 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,480 Speaker 1: necessarily work for the next person. So I always say look, 744 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: find out who the hell you are. First, spend some time, 745 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: and then once you figure out who you are, because 746 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: when you know who you are, when you embrace who 747 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: you are and you're comfortable with who you are and 748 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: you love who you are, you're going to attract the 749 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,800 Speaker 1: perfect person, right because you exude that experience, you exude 750 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: that positivity and that and that that magnetism and brings 751 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: the perfect person to you were me at twenty you're 752 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: excluding a whole lot of a lot of good stuff. 753 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: So when you're exuding all that, that's exactly who you're 754 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: going to attract. Well, you launched a fitness app with 755 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: your wife, is that correct? Co fit? Yeah? Would you 756 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: recommend starting a company with your partner? It's different for us. 757 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: We met We met on a TV show, so we 758 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: met in a working environment. So we're really really good 759 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,800 Speaker 1: working together. Like we we've done that for twenty years, 760 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,439 Speaker 1: working together, whether it's TV shows, we had our own 761 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,280 Speaker 1: talk show, or projects initiatives, and we have a foundation, 762 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: the Coach your Family Foundation, and you know co fit. 763 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: My wife started a business called the Gym Wrap, which 764 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: has been incredible for eight years and uh she has 765 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: created this revolutionary head band that has helped women especially 766 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, save their hair and and stay healthy at 767 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,960 Speaker 1: the same time. And she pivoted when the pandemic hit 768 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,720 Speaker 1: and she started manufacturing UM masks for the whole family. 769 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: And we've given away over five thousand dollars worth of 770 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: Freemaster to our first responders and essential workers for the 771 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: past three months. Um. We used to, we used to 772 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: working together. We're really good working together. She makes she 773 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: makes me better too. UM. It just it just depends. 774 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, everybody, everybody is different. You you have to um, 775 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: you have to give each other space, UM, and and 776 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,759 Speaker 1: learning from each other. You have to give each other. 777 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,439 Speaker 1: You have to give each other space to gop which 778 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 1: is really important too, because we're all gonna make mistakes. 779 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: We're not perfect. I'm perfectly flawed, right, So you have 780 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: to give each other the space and the leeway to 781 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: to screw up and not abandoned ship immediately. All right. UM, 782 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a perfect union. I think 783 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,680 Speaker 1: the perfect union is an imperfect union. That is that 784 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,280 Speaker 1: not giving up. That's what I would characterize a perfect union, 785 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: right of two people that are flawed, but they're unwilling 786 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: to give up on each other. There's something romantic about 787 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: that too. Um. But yeah, you learn from each other. 788 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: You you grow with each other. You you grow individually 789 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: you You, you mess up you, you, you try to 790 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: brush yourself off. You learn from your mistakes. You you 791 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: and you and you sort of take that journey together 792 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: and see where it takes you. It can be the 793 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 1: most beautiful thing in the world. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. 794 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 1: I think it's definitely depends on the person if that's 795 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 1: a good idea or not. Um. Just like the plant 796 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: based diet. Um. I mean, it's like what you say 797 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: with you. You know, you know that you're always late, right, 798 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: So we know our patterns and sometimes we don't know 799 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: our patterns until we're in a relationship and we figure 800 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: out all these things. Oh my god, I'm scared of this. 801 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm afraid of this. I have trauma from this. And 802 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 1: you have to give yourself time to get to know 803 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,439 Speaker 1: yourself and to figure out some of these patterns since 804 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: you were a child, because in the first six seven 805 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,880 Speaker 1: years of being alive, that's when our hard drive is formed, right, 806 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 1: That's when our that's when our when our subconscious mind 807 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: is formed. And after that it's done that's it. So 808 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 1: some of that, some of the impact that the first 809 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: six seventy years had on our lives, we don't even 810 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: know until we are twenty fifty years old. That's when 811 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: comes out. So you gotta give yourself the space and 812 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: the time to really, um figure yourself out and and 813 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 1: hopefully you guys are on a similar path. Yeah, I 814 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: would say if taught me anything, and is that I 815 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: am figuring some things out. Yeah. UM, well, I just 816 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: want to say thank you. I know you're so busy. 817 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to come so much. UM. 818 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 1: Y'all can watch Boris on Station nineteen on T G 819 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 1: I T and then you can um follow him on 820 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: Instagram it's Boris Kodjoe UM and on Twitter also at 821 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: Boris Kodjoe. And you can visit the gym wrap dot 822 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: com to shop the website. All right, thank you so much, 823 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Al Right, well, thank you all 824 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,720 Speaker 1: for listening to our mini episode. I'm so excited about 825 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: with Great Anatomy and Station nineteen. Um, how do you feel, Tanya, 826 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I got my mojo backs. I'm gonna 827 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: spend the weekend doing a little a little research on 828 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: my end um with the Emmy's and the Peabodies and 829 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,120 Speaker 1: the Grammys, and we're gonna I think maybe, I guess 830 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: we are winding down the year. We should make one 831 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: of these episodes just literally a brainstorm. And actually I'd 832 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: like our scarbors to get involved with this, to a 833 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: brainstorm of what they want to see from our podcast 834 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: and were just like, you know, kind of vision board 835 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: our year out and make some goals and uh, yeah, yeah, 836 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: I agree. I'm very into that. So, UM, send us ideas, 837 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,120 Speaker 1: what you like, what you'd want to change, what conversation 838 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: do you like? Um kind of guests you like, whatever 839 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: it is you guys like. There's no bad ideas, there's 840 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: just some better ideas, so we'll pick the better. That 841 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: was good. That was good. Thank you. Um, we love 842 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,879 Speaker 1: you guys, thanks for listening. As always, We'll be back 843 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920 Speaker 1: next week and have a great rest of the week. 844 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: Love you bye, Love you bye.