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Speaker 1: Rob and Karen.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackout Tips Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Rod, joined us always by my co host,

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Speaker 2: watch us live on crowdcast dot io. You know that's

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Speaker 2: in the show notes if you ever want to see

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Speaker 2: us and people like our illustrious guest. Today's guest is

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Speaker 2: author podcaster. You may have actually read poet. You may

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Speaker 2: have read some of his work on the Route or

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Speaker 2: the Grio. You may have seen them on cable news

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Speaker 2: explaining shit to these white folks.

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Speaker 1: It's black Twitter legend. Michael Harriet. What's going on? Brother?

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Speaker 3: I'm good man man, Thank you for having me. I'm

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Speaker 3: glad to be here. I feel like it's everything's full

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Speaker 3: circle now that I'm on The Black Guy.

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Speaker 1: Who Took You?

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, Well, we appreciate you coming, man. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we've read so much of your work on the show,

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Speaker 2: just like covering race and articles and stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like, especially from a funny angle because we

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Speaker 2: cover race from a comedic angle all the time, and

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Speaker 2: I always used to be like, man, I don't know

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Speaker 2: who this dude is, but these are like the funniest,

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Speaker 2: like not in the homophobic way, but the like sassiest

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Speaker 2: like like funniest sassiest like takes on things. And I

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Speaker 2: used to always be cracking up reading your work.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: So the first thing I got to ask, though, is like,

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Speaker 2: how did you even get started in like writing like that?

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Speaker 2: Like is that something you love from an early age

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Speaker 2: or is it something like, uh you kind of fell into.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So my mom was always a writer, and I initially

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Speaker 3: went to to college to major in film.

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Speaker 4: Uh. But then I so, this is how old I am.

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Speaker 3: It is gonna trip you out. So I was on

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Speaker 3: I entern. I was a PA on Howard Stirn's Private Parts.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, old school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like, man, this for me, this

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Speaker 3: Is way too uh to collaborative for me. And so

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Speaker 3: when it was time for me to go to grad school, I.

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Speaker 4: Uh I was.

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Speaker 3: I was already accepted into Florida State's Film school, but

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Speaker 3: I switched to macro economics.

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Speaker 3: So I I taught and my mom was a writer

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Speaker 3: And then I got into journalism covering uh education and uh,

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Speaker 3: I mean I worked at an HPCU Benedict College in

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Speaker 4: And so I just always had this, always had jobs

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Speaker 4: They would always have these gold commercials. Yeah, I remember old.

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Speaker 3: When they asked me to write what they write, they

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Speaker 3: asked to write as an economist about why everybody was

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Speaker 4: And in my explanation, it was like, Wow, you can

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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's that's a dope story.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you were raised, but I was

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Speaker 2: raised in the black tradition of My parents were like,

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Speaker 2: But your mom, being a writer, was she of that

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Speaker 4: So my mom was was I had a crazy upbringing.

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Speaker 3: Man, so I was raised in like a borderline religious

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Speaker 4: When I was writing a book.

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Speaker 3: While I was writing a book, a kind of not

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Speaker 3: she said, well, I didn't believe that a black child

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Speaker 3: And so so I was just raped East in a

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Speaker 3: And when I started going to school, I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Did it? Or is it like or do they like

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Speaker 3: I think they're proud because again because of the way

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Speaker 4: Like any of that. Right, Like that was like like

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Speaker 3: But so applying those logic to those situations, I was like,

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Speaker 3: But I think I was older when I realized, oh,

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Speaker 3: like just it's just like America, right, like it was

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Speaker 4: And all of that stuff doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty twenty to seventy six years later

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Speaker 3: You can't interpret affirmative action in the Constitution and whether

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Speaker 3: it should be race based based on a constitution written

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to see like a sketch or write

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Speaker 6: Or whatever, and like, exactly, we don't need to be

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Speaker 1: Find these truths to be self evident.

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Speaker 2: Beholden to the ideas of white men from two hundred

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Speaker 3: Looked up the history books that the senators used who

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Speaker 2: But yeah, Emotionally, sometimes it feel like black people are

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get it out of the history books and

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Speaker 6: Right, because the results are, in my opinion, the results

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I used to teach a class, Well, part

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Speaker 3: as And when I say economic, I don't mean money, right,

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Speaker 3: And so when you look at it from an economic

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Speaker 4: All that often, Like I don't even think about them

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Speaker 4: So I know this like this country will gas like

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Speaker 3: You think that's something, because again you got to remember

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think innately black kids know that.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I was in school and during Black

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Speaker 1: And I think I just developed a.

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Speaker 2: I think when you're talking about black history, you're talking

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Speaker 2: But I don't have any And I've never felt any

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Speaker 1: It's like, what, what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: So I always kind of rejected that, but I think

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Speaker 1: Or is every you know?

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Speaker 2: Have you mostly experienced support because I've always assumed the

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Speaker 4: Because I realize the world we live in, like like all.

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Speaker 3: Of us be trying to survive whiteness, and that's just

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Speaker 3: and to be mad at people like like they like

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Speaker 4: So you know, I don't even really I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always like, I remember when the TV show

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, if y'all want to listen to these pimp albums,

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Speaker 2: Always thought that was funny, like the cognitive dissonance that

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Speaker 2: you know, Like I feel like that's a different vibe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I love it.

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Speaker 3: I loved Underground too, man. I thought I was wondering

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Speaker 6: Love those shows, particularly with Underground as somebody, uh, I

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Speaker 6: and be concerned about those type of things when they're

446
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 6: just trying to get you to school, keep the lights on,

447
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 6: keep you fed, and all that type of stuff.

448
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: So I went through the school system not knowing a

449
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 5: lot of things.

450
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 6: So when I get introduced to things like underground and

451
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 6: all these things, a lot of these things are new

452
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 6: to me. And it's one of those things to where

453
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 6: I am grateful for black people that knows this shit

454
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 6: to give black people grace that don't. Because you have

455
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 6: a lot of black people, they kind of want to

456
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 6: shame black people for not knowing when.

457
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 5: You know the system is rigged and you know the

458
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 5: system is fucked up to not teach these people these things.

459
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting though, because I feel like that's

460
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 2: an insecurity that people carry with them. I don't know

461
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: how much that is actually like carried out in real life.

462
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: Like I think of the people that want to educate

463
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: other folks typically come with love towards other black people,

464
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 2: but I think it's an insecurity, like y'all are gonna shame.

465
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Me for not knowing this.

466
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 2: I remember when we talked about Underground on the podcast

467
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 2: before it came out, and I remember the trailer came

468
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 2: out and I was like, I want to see this shit.

469
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: What the fuck? When did this come out?

470
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: You know, and you know, we talked about Snoop Dogg

471
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: and stuff, but there was like apprehension at first from YouTube,

472
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: being like it was like, uh what, Like, oh, it's

473
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: about slavery? Was this gonna be about da da da?

474
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: And I remember being like, man, it's black people in charge.

475
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: This is what we've been asking for. We don't want

476
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: Like when people talk about not wanting stuff about slavery

477
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: or oppression, a lot of times it was like through

478
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: the lens of white Hollywood and white decision makers and

479
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: so black people within the industry. When we fight to

480
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 2: get our hands on our own stories and tell our

481
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: stories from our perspective, I always feel like that's when

482
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: the we need to give grace, give it a chance,

483
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: and a lot of times that's when you find out

484
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't like I don't dislike this, this is actually

485
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: like The Underground was one of those things.

486
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I love this.

487
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: What is this?

488
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: How can we get more of this?

489
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: And it was clearly because black people were telling that

490
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: story about black trauma through the lens of blackness, and

491
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: that was that felt so much different.

492
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 5: Yes, particularly for those of you that happened seen Underground.

493
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 5: Go ahead, I'm sorry, baby.

494
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just want to echo what he said, right,

495
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 3: because that and you have to also realize, like the

496
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: people who are in those boardrooms, the white people who

497
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: are in those boardrooms, they like they only seem like

498
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: three kinds of black people, right, like the slavery, the

499
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: civil rights movement where they wearing skinny ties and suits marching,

500
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 3: or like the Cosby show right right, And so their

501
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: concept of blackness is like they ain't never seen no

502
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: sci fi, they never seen any you know, you know,

503
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: afro punk type stuff.

504
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: So they're only going to greenlight these shows.

505
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: And people often think, like, why do we keep making

506
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: these slavery shows with black people are making all kinds

507
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: of shows, and they only picking the slavery shows to

508
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 3: go on TV. Right, Not that is anything wrong with

509
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 3: the slavery shows, but you got to realize, like, like

510
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: I remember talking to Regilar huddling and about house party

511
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: and he says, oh, you know why.

512
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: And he told like, this is an interesting concept that

513
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 4: he told me.

514
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: I hope I ain't giving away. He's saying, oh, you

515
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: know why, Like you can be how you can be successful.

516
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: All you gotta do is just make a movie or

517
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: TV show and just show all the different kinds of

518
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 3: black people and black people are loving, right, Like, all

519
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: you got to do is put like you think about

520
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: Hot Party, right, it was the thugs, and it was

521
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 3: the middle class black people, and it was you know,

522
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: it was all the diaspora of black people on a

523
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 3: block right in movie. And that's why we loved it, right,

524
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: And but white people don't get to see that, right.

525
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: So when they're making these they only got like four

526
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: slots for black people. One gotta be asleep, one gotta

527
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: be you know, something about how black people overcame, right,

528
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 3: and the other one got might be something that's interesting,

529
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: a revolutionary.

530
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's gotta be a drug dealing show. Yeah, Karen,

531
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: when you gonna say something earlier.

532
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 6: Oh, I was gonna say one thing about Underground, Uh,

533
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 6: and why I was very hurt that it didn't get

534
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 6: as it didn't get a second season.

535
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: They got a second season, they get a third season.

536
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 6: One reason why I was heard about the third season

537
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 6: is because they got into Harriet Tubman. Yeah, and it

538
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 6: was gonna be interesting to see like where they took

539
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 6: that particular character, and because.

540
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: I wanted to learn more about her, you know, because

541
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 5: truth be told, everybody's not gonna pick up a history book,

542
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 5: and that's a truth. And so a lot of people

543
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 5: they get their history through entertainment.

544
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 6: And so when people are introduced to things, it causes

545
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 6: them to go want to read and google and research

546
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 6: and all that stuff, stuff that they wouldn't have been

547
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 6: inclined or pushed to do on their own. Yeah, and

548
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 6: so but somebody like me, it opened up my eyes,

549
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: you know, to these things. And like you said before,

550
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 6: it is it is a self insecurity you know that

551
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 6: I have that I'm projecting, you know, but that's you know,

552
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 6: that's kind of how you feel because you're like, well, God,

553
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 6: I didn't know I'm not supposed to know this, and

554
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 6: I beginna say what the fuck is wrong with me?

555
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 5: But it's not me.

556
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of it's a lot of pressure,

557
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: and some of it is external, Like like I'm not

558
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: saying there's no black people that act like that, but

559
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: the vast majority of black people that know about black

560
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: history aren't.

561
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Like walking around like the rest of you living in ignorance.

562
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: You know, like most black people won't. They want you

563
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: to join them. They're like, hey, man, come check this out.

564
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: I read this book. Did you see this article?

565
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: Like it's not a like you a bad black person,

566
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: but I think internally you start feeling like am I

567
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: a bad Black person?

568
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 5: Insufficiently?

569
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I don't know this stuff?

570
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it is also just emotional,

571
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Like I think learning about black history, reading so much

572
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: black history stuff early on in my life, I just

573
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: developed a little bit more of a callous than most people.

574
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: So like I can read about some of the traumatic

575
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 2: and not like not saying this is a good thing,

576
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: but I can read about something the traumatic and it

577
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: just doesn't hit me the same way because it's like,

578
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 2: I know this kind of shit was happening. I feel

579
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: validated by reading about it and knowing like that's when

580
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 2: I ride down to North Carolina Highway and there's a

581
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: little bit of fear in my bones. I know ancestrally

582
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: in my DNA where that comes from, because I know

583
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: these stories now, and I think to me it felt validating.

584
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 2: And to some people it's just they live in the

585
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: fear of the moment. It's like, oh, this happened. I'd

586
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: rather not even know it happened. But I think a

587
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: lot of times that can aid white supremacy in us

588
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: not knowing, so it like we're looking at shit like

589
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: it's new when it ain't new. You know, all this

590
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: stuff that's happened with the Supreme Court is stuff that's

591
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: happened before. But if you don't, if you're not taught

592
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: in in school and you're afraid of learning about it

593
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: outside of school, you just end up feeling overwhelmed, like

594
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: how is this happening? But to me, I felt like,

595
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: I know how this is happening, and I know what's

596
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: gonna happen next.

597
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

598
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: And also I think with Michael and what he puts

599
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: out in the thing, particularly on.

600
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 6: Black Twitter on social media, people pick up on that

601
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 6: thing and it's a challenge to people. And I think

602
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 6: that's why people flock to you be like, oh, what

603
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 6: are you talking about?

604
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 5: Oh this is interesting.

605
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh well, this is the other thing I was saying

606
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: with Mike. And this is my next question for you.

607
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: How did you develop your sense of humor? Because that's

608
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: how I do it. I think if you deliver it

609
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: through a comic lens, it's easier for.

610
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: People to absorb.

611
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 6: And I feel like in a lot of ways with

612
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 6: your threads and your articles, that's how you deliver it.

613
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: What what was the impetus behind that?

614
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

615
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: So, uh, you know David Young said this, uh, and

616
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: so I can't take credit for it, but you know,

617
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 3: black people we joke around like we joke around at funerals,

618
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: We joke around in the backyard, like you know with

619
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: some civil people at the civil rights market, you know,

620
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 3: saying a look at this, look at so and so shoes.

621
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: You know, you need to stop market for freedom, and like,

622
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: you know, we just.

623
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: Joke around like that.

624
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: And so a lot of what I do is again

625
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: not include humor, but just not remute, removed of humor

626
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: that we already see, right, because we got to restrain

627
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: ourselves from making oops sometimes, right, And so that's that's

628
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: and then that goes back going back to what Karen says, right, like,

629
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: when you make it entertaining, when you don't include that humor,

630
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: it doesn't just make people when you include that human,

631
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't just make people not read it more or

632
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: absorb it better, but it makes it more relatable because

633
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: it feels like something you would have said sitting on

634
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: the back queue and hurt.

635
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: Right.

636
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: It feels like something you would have heard at a

637
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: cook and at a cookout. And so I think it

638
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: makes us It's the way that we because it's the

639
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: way really that we communicate with each other through humor,

640
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: through kind of processing that trauma into not limiting ourselves

641
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 3: and what we say. That's the one thing like if

642
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: it is a black privilege is that we can say

643
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: anything to each other and we know like oh yeah,

644
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: and like I think that I don't know if if

645
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: does you all know? Does your audience know that you're

646
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: working on this show that comes out Tuesday?

647
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

648
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drape the Maniac. Yeah, they know I'm working on it.

649
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: I've been talking about writing behind the scene for a while,

650
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: told him about the trailer.

651
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, we could definitely talk about that as well.

652
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna We're gonna get into that for sure.

653
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but see that, that's that's one of the things

654
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: that I thought was it would be an interesting way

655
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: to take on history with what we're doing, right, And

656
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: I always struggle to explain exactly what it is because

657
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, where people say you've ever seen anything like this,

658
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: I really have never, Like I listened to podcasts all

659
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: of the time, and I don't know if I've heard

660
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: or seen anything like this, like what we're doing, and

661
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: I think it is an interesting take on history to

662
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: just be to just do it how we relate to

663
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: each other.

664
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Drape the Maniacs Unshackled History is the podcast

665
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: we're working on.

666
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Speaker 1: It's dropping like Tuesday. It's dropping like Tuesday, right like

667
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: it's coming out this week. I'm a man. Yeah, Like,

668
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: I can't believe this.

669
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: We've been working on this thing for a couple of

670
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: months at least for me, and they've been working on

671
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: it even longer than that.

672
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: And where do you find it?

673
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: You can find it everywhere you find podcasts. I'll put

674
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: a link to it in the show notes as well.

675
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: First of all, can you tell people what the definition.

676
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: Of drape to Mania is? Because I know people are wondering,

677
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: like what what is the name, what does this mean?

678
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in eighteen fifty one, this doctor in New

679
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: Orleans came up with this, like he voted in the

680
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: medical journal and it was published and it became a

681
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: thing that there was a disease of mental disorder that

682
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: caused the black people to want to be free, and

683
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 3: it was called drake Tomania. He believes that like if

684
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: you could and it's the phrase isn't but this the

685
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: result of it. It's popular when you hear the phrase

686
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: rep the devil out of someone.

687
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 4: That's where this comes from. Like he believes, like you

688
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 4: can whip the devil out of them and that is the.

689
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: Cure for drake to mania. And he ended a journal article.

690
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: He's just like, you could take them to the border

691
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 3: state right next to a free state if you use

692
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: this technique that you gotta whip the devil out of them.

693
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: You know, the Negroes are natural knee benders and you

694
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: gotta but the Drake tomania makes gets puts the devil

695
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: in them. You gotta whip it out of them, and

696
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: you can take them to a border state and they

697
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 3: won't even try to escape because you got that Drake

698
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: Domania out of them. And so the concept of the

699
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: show is that throughout history there were always black people

700
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: who were draped to maniacs and that's what the word means.

701
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 6: Wow, that is that is a lot, Like, oh yeah,

702
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: that word is a lot because I don't know, nobody

703
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 6: want to be owned by nobody, and I don't know.

704
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 6: When you ask white people, white people get scared because

705
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 6: they like, I don't want to be treated like them.

706
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 6: Niggas would bitch. You knew it was wrong because you don't.

707
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 6: You don't want to be somebody else's property. Yeah, I'm saying,

708
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,959
Speaker 6: you want to be free.

709
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: It's funny living in a country.

710
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: That literally is the reason that we tell ourselves it's

711
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: a country, is that, well that white people tell us

712
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: that it's a country is that they wanted their freedom

713
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: and not and they weren't talking about slavery. They were

714
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: just talking about oppressive taxes.

715
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 5: Like a tea party.

716
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were like, well, yeah, they original the original

717
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 6: spillers of the tea the white folks, but then had

718
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 6: the nerve to be like enslaving black people totally different.

719
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like owning a dog, that's not even

720
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: close to the same.

721
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: To the point where you come up with such a

722
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: ridiculous concept that's draped the mania.

723
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: Uh, like these white people, these black people are crazy.

724
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Something must be wrong with this negro. He want to

725
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: be free.

726
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 2: And then to think that those are the arbiters of history,

727
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: those are the people who've always told the stories and

728
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: the reason that things are handed down today to where

729
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: we think certain things that black people do.

730
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: To be free are quote unquote crazy.

731
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: But the other thing about this show, and don't get

732
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: it twisted, man, it's gonna be funny. Like we're writing

733
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: this stuff now, it's all coming together, we're recording some

734
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: of it, and I think the spoonful of sugar of humor.

735
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Helps with the stories.

736
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: And also, just if you guys knew how much work

737
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: and thought is going into making sure that the perspectives

738
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 2: that are being addressed in the show are for black

739
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: people first and foremost, and by black people first and foremost.

740
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: I think that's what's gonna separate this show from so

741
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: many other podcasts. But I think Michael's right. I listened

742
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: to a ton of podcasts as well. I haven't heard

743
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: anything really like this, and We're not just it's not

744
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: just gonna be like Michael sitting in nar rating and

745
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: telling you the whole story. We're gonna have guests that

746
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: come in that that that do roles as acting here,

747
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: voice acting, their skits, sketches, all kinds of stuff.

748
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 6: Man.

749
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: It's it's I really am like proud of this project,

750
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: and I'm also really optimistic about how how good and

751
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: how fun it's gonna be.

752
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Man, how did this project come about? Michael? Like what

753
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: was the what was the exception of the idea and

754
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff?

755
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: So during during the pandemic, right, somehow I don't like,

756
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 3: you know, famous people like famous people could just they

757
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 3: could just get a phone number, right, And it's just

758
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 3: like I don't know they got a magic address book

759
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 3: that they could just get somebody's like what they I

760
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: was like, Yeah, I was at McDonald's and Pharrell called

761
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: me and so we developed kind of a friendship over

762
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: the pandemic. And it wasn't about like we really never

763
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: talked about business or of course ain't gonna talk for

764
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: real about music, because.

765
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: Like why would you talk like this like to me,

766
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: like talk talking to Jordan about his post? You know,

767
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: when I'm in the post Jordan, you.

768
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: Know, so we just talk about whatever, man, And so

769
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: one day we were talking about like ideas, and I

770
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: was telling him about the idea for this podcast.

771
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: And he was like, man, we should do it.

772
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, but I mean it ain't

773
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: It would be harder to do that any other podcasts

774
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: the way I have it, but mind it was like, yeah,

775
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: but we should still do it.

776
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 4: Like and so like maybe a weekly later, he had me.

777
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: With our executive producer Nolika and we were recording the

778
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: pilot like what you'll hear on Tuesday. We recorded that

779
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: like three years ago maybe four years ago, wow, And

780
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: we remastered it and kind of re recorded some stuff.

781
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: But we.

782
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: Sat on it and said, yeah, well we're able to

783
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: do this. We're gonna do it. And Sony was on

784
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: board a knit immediately.

785
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: So for the past three years, like Pharrell has been

786
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: just basically like waiting for me, like you ready to

787
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: do this thing? And I was like, yeah, I got

788
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 3: this book thing working on now, and then hey, I

789
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: got this other project that I'm working on now. And

790
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 3: then I started writing for the Amber Ruffis Show. And

791
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: it was a bunch of stuff. But every couple of months,

792
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: it'll be like, hey, Mike, well y'all ready to do

793
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: this thing. And so when he finally asked and we

794
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: were ready, we put it together. And the thing Rob

795
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: was saying about, you know, putting this show together, The

796
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: thing I think I'm most I'm proudest of is all

797
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: of the stuff that we talk about about how Hollywood

798
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: could be doing this. They could hire more black writers,

799
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: they could have a room that is more inclusive. They

800
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 3: could have a room where people could speak up, they

801
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: could have a room where people could object to something

802
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: and people wouldn't be afraid to say, we did that shit,

803
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 3: Like we really did that shit right, Like it ain't

804
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: no white hands on this thing. And it's not just

805
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: diverse in terms of you know, black people, but it

806
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: is you know, gay and straight and queer and all

807
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: spectrums of the gender and sexuality and marginalized people and

808
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: geography and how we think and conservative and.

809
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: It's all it's the diaspora putting you know, working on there.

810
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: And I'm proud of that.

811
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same here, and I'm proud to be part

812
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: of the process. And it is a process.

813
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: Like it's tough, you know, like I think like it's

814
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: fun and you have to have like a lot of

815
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: trust undergird and everything. You know, I think that's the

816
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: only way it works. And then, like you said, people

817
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: have to be empowered to speak up because you know,

818
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: I know as a writer for Game Theory, that was

819
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: one thing I had to get used to was just

820
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: this idea of like critique criticism, Like you write something,

821
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna come in and tell you, like, here's where

822
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: this thing needs to be better, Here's where this thing

823
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: can change.

824
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Here have you considered this idea?

825
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: And that's like the tough part, right is going back

826
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: and being like I ain't gonna get go back to

827
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: the drawing board on this.

828
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: But in this case, some of the ideas to me

829
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: are so like radical and so.

830
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: Like that's why it's almost like harder to implement these ideas, right,

831
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: because this is the easy way out for many other shows,

832
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: TV shows and stuff is just to be like get

833
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: those blacks out.

834
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: Of the room.

835
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: Okay, they keep bringing they keep bringing up I don't like,

836
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: I just want to put my shit out there.

837
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: And in this case, it's like somebody will.

838
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: Come with an idea and be like, oh, what do

839
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: we I don't know, Like for example, especially when you're

840
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: talking about black history, so much of it is taught

841
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: through what white people said and what they thought and

842
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: who they erased and stuff, and so sometimes it's like,

843
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: we should create a character here, and this character is

844
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: gonna be this character is a gay character who is

845
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: a comedian and is this and so you have to

846
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: like then go and create that archetype.

847
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Feel that world, that world in from their perspective and stuff.

848
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: And as far as the audience is concerned, as far

849
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: as white people's history is concerned, this person never existed.

850
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: But as black people, we know all kinds of black

851
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: people always existed throughout all the time, so we get

852
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: to take those liberties. And so a lot of this

853
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: is about pushing the boundaries of your imagination of like, yeah,

854
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: why can't we do that as opposed to, you know,

855
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: trying to paint within the boundaries of white supremacy. And

856
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: it's a lot of it's a lot of work because

857
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: you have to decolonize, like your point of view a

858
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: lot of times like oh yeah, yeah, this could be happening.

859
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: So I'm enjoying the work.

860
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: I've never written narratively before, so uh, it's been a

861
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: challenge for me. But it's also been like rewarding to

862
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 2: be like, you know, when someone's reading your work because

863
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: we have these reads and stuff.

864
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: To be like, Okay, that thing does work or you know,

865
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: or it doesn't work, but it could work if we

866
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: changed this thing.

867
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: And so we do like table reads on Tuesdays and stuff,

868
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: and Karen's in the background and here sometimes enjoying it.

869
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 6: The table reads are are fun, particularly with the different

870
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 6: voices and the different perspectives, and you know, I'm kind

871
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 6: of hearing the story in the background and it is

872
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 6: just a joy. And so I'm like, well, I can't

873
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 6: wait to see the finished product because then you're gonna

874
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 6: have music and sounded like all these other you know,

875
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 6: things to kind of polish it off. So I'm like, oh,

876
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 6: this is going to be different, and it's going to

877
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 6: be now.

878
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: Michael, how is it different from writing in for like,

879
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: because you have a book coming out, You've written so

880
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: many pieces for the Grill, for the Root, the threads

881
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: on Twitter, Like, how is writing for the podcast different

882
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: to you?

883
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: I think, well, so two things are different to me.

884
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: Is that this is you know, you have to include

885
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: other people's voices, right, And sometimes I think you know,

886
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: like when I started writing for the Amber Russin Show,

887
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: it wasn't even as much of a challenge as this because, like,

888
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: I think the reason it works well because like Amber

889
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: has the same kind of humor that I have, Right,

890
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: And so when you're writing from the perspective of different

891
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: people and trying to tell a story, right, I think

892
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: that is that has been challenging. And the other part

893
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: is right is allowing giving people the opportunity or the

894
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: giving people space to create and you not say no, no, no, no,

895
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: no no, it's to be like this or because you know,

896
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 3: when people take your work and interpret it, or take

897
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: stuff that you've been working on and and interpret it.

898
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: I think that's been a challenge that to see what

899
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 3: people do with these ideas. I'm happy to say like

900
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: in this case, you know, everybody has been doing a

901
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: great job, right, But I think those two things, like

902
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: I've never had anybody just take my stuff and do

903
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: their thing with it.

904
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's like I said, gay theory

905
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: was like that, because you submit something and then it's

906
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: got to go through a lot of hands, you know,

907
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: So like Pruf, I'm writing something, I think it's like

908
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: the hottest shit ever. You know, it's funny, it's all

909
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: the stuff, and you know, especially near the beginning, it's like, okay, cool,

910
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: you wrote that. Now it's got to go to like

911
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: the head writer. Okay, now it's got to go the

912
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: producer wants to take a pass. Okay, now Bomani has

913
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: to take a pass. Put it in his words, you know,

914
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: like and so by the time you get done with it,

915
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: there's a level of detachment you have to have to

916
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: your work or else you'll you'll go mad, you know,

917
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: like you have to be able to say, like, this

918
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: is kind of my baby, but not really, it's all

919
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: of our baby now because we all touched it. And

920
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of been what this process has

921
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: been like for a lot of stuff.

922
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways, like people make it better.

923
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: Too, you know, like it's not even just just like

924
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: it's not mine anymore. It's like like I was reading

925
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: an edit that someone did on one of my last

926
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: rounds or something, and they were like, you got any

927
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: notes on this, and I was like, uh no, it's

928
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: better than what I wrote. That's that's good, Like, good

929
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: job everybody. I don't y'all the ones that had something

930
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: to add and it was something I didn't see. You know,

931
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to see. But now reading your version

932
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: of it, I see what y'all were getting at.

933
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Now what is it? Also?

934
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: Also, we're gonna have like celebrity guests that come in

935
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: and voice these roles. Is that something where like you

936
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: know these people and you're reaching out to him or

937
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: is it like for real know these people? Like how

938
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: are we getting these celebrity guests? Because I'm looking at

939
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: the list and I'm like, man, this is nice.

940
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:19,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

941
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: So most of them, I know, you know, have some

942
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: kind of tangential or personal relationship, right like when So

943
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: for the first episode, y'all should know it's going to be.

944
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: Joy Reading and Joywood Junior. So who I know.

945
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: So they record the parts that you'll hear Tuesday, like

946
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: they literal really did them. Like Roywood is popping now.

947
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: He did this like three years ago and he was like, yeah,

948
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: I'll do it just City to me. Enjoy read the

949
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: same thing like, well She's like, yeah, I do it

950
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: just Centy to me. And so you know, these were

951
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 3: personal relationships, and what we did is we made it

952
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: real easy for them, like we don't have to schedule

953
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: a meet in the recording all of this.

954
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: We've made it real easy.

955
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: And so when you make it real easy, you realize

956
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: like people are willing to, you know, to help out

957
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: or to collaborate if it don't mess with every because people.

958
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: A lot of these people are real busy, right, and so.

959
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: I'll just reach out and say, hey, man, like, I'm

960
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: doing this thing and it might take fifteen minutes your

961
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: time whenever you want to do it.

962
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 4: Man, people are genuinely like.

963
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say I love that about us as

964
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: black people too, because like that feels like a thing

965
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: where I'm not sure white folks would necessarily stop what

966
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: they doing and do it or whatever. But I love that,

967
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: you know, the cause some of these names, y'all see

968
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: these people, y'all gonna be like what and it's just like, yeah, man,

969
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: Like as busy as that person is, as much as

970
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: they're doing they were like, oh cool, this sounds like

971
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 2: a fun black idea.

972
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: What can I do to help?

973
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: And I love that part of the community aspect of

974
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: being black. You also, you got a book coming out, man, Like,

975
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: how has that been different than like from the other

976
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: processes Because I've heard writing.

977
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: A book is super tough.

978
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.

979
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: Writing this book was hard because, like it is a

980
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 3: real history book. So it is six hundred years of

981
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: black history from the fourteen hundreds to like yesterday, and

982
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: so the amount of research, the amount of like fact checking,

983
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: that was grueling. The history part wasn't as bad. I mean,

984
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: the writing part wasn't as bad as the research part

985
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: and figuring out how to tell these stories. And so

986
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 3: during depand I did it during the pandemic, man, And

987
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: it was just like cause I was still working a

988
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 3: regular day job, you know, at the grill and the route,

989
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: and so I would I would.

990
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 4: Work during the day and literally I got on this

991
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 4: thing and I'm.

992
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: Still trying to get out of it. This I phasic sleep.

993
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of I phasics?

994
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 4: Now?

995
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: What's that?

996
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 3: So it is the idea that for most of human

997
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: history we slept in two cycles. Right, we would go

998
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: to sleep when it because we had had all lights

999
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 3: for most of the time. We got to add kennels

1000
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 3: and stuff. So we would go to sleep with the

1001
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: settlement down, sleep for like three four hours, wake up,

1002
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: and that's when babies were made. That's when what they

1003
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: call the witching hour, when witches would come around and

1004
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: vampires would come up. It's like all the concepts from

1005
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 3: horror movies were invented during these times. And then we

1006
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 3: would go back to sleep in sleep so the sun

1007
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: you know. And so I got on this sleep cycle

1008
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: where I was doing that man in that middle of

1009
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: the night, that witching hour is when I was writing

1010
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 3: this book.

1011
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 4: And I'm still trying to get out of it. But

1012
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 4: it was, it was. It was hard, But I don't

1013
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 4: think like just writing any book was harder than just

1014
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 4: writing the whole history book. That's that's that was the

1015
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 4: hard part of it. The research.

1016
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like the other thing I always wanted

1017
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: to know, man, how did you come up with your

1018
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: style on Twitter?

1019
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: With the threads? Because I like me and my friends,

1020
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: we like we always have like a running joke because.

1021
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: I would always say, I would always say, like Michael

1022
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 2: Harriet's threads are such a ride because the first tweet

1023
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: is never really what it's gonna be about. Like the

1024
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: first tweet is a trick and it and it can

1025
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 2: be it literally be like George Washington made peanut butter

1026
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: sandwiches on Saturday mornings and you be like, where is

1027
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: this Nigga going.

1028
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: With this like.

1029
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 5: Peanut butter sandwiches.

1030
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, I thought he was gonna be talking about

1031
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court ruler, but you will get there by.

1032
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: The end of the thread, and it's like, I didn't

1033
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: know it.

1034
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 6: So George Washington, peanut butter came from Clarence Thomas family, Like,

1035
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 6: it's like you been like, what, how'd you come up

1036
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 6: with that?

1037
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: Because I feel like people are still trying to even

1038
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: emulate that.

1039
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is just first of all, it's

1040
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: probably the way I think like connecting these dots, and

1041
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: you'll see it on even the show, right, Like these

1042
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 3: episodes of Drake fil Mannis are really what they are about, right,

1043
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: Like when we talk about we do any like this

1044
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: is going to be we're doing an episode on Ida

1045
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 3: be Wells. But the idea is that Ida be Wells

1046
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: was the first battle rapper, right, all these beats she

1047
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: had that we're doing them really interpreting them to battle rap.

1048
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: But it's really a episode about the Black Press and

1049
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: how the Black Press was really always the only voice

1050
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: that black people had and the only way we had

1051
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: to communicate each other with each other, right, and so

1052
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: these disconnecting those dots, right, like we always think this

1053
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 3: happened on this date and that is why the thing

1054
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: is And really it is a build up and a

1055
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: thing happened four hundred years earlier and two hundred years

1056
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: earlier that created the monsters and the good things that

1057
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: it is today. And so I think connecting those dots

1058
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: and because like I always had adhd so I would

1059
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: always go off on dances and down rabbit.

1060
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 4: Holes that I just like to connect those dots.

1061
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean it obviously works. Man, the threads

1062
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: go viral all the time. I feel like I don't

1063
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: know how like if you're just able to like like

1064
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: draft thirty seven things and then get them in an

1065
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: order or what, because I'm like I always read them

1066
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: with a fascination like where is this going?

1067
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: But it's good. It's so dope.

1068
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: And then like working on the show and seeing it

1069
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: happened kind of like through the writing of the show

1070
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: is dope too. But yeah, I always used to make

1071
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: that running jugs, like you just don't know where Michael's

1072
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: going with it. You just know that the first first

1073
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: tweet is trick, Like it's like you like it'll be

1074
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna prove that people have always been anti CRT.

1075
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna start with apple poles and you're like

1076
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 2: apple piles that nah.

1077
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: What So I've always liked that about your writing.

1078
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: Man.

1079
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: Another thing I wanted to ask too, though, is like

1080
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: you had the black Twitter has been this like vehicle

1081
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: that has has really helped like propel you, right, but

1082
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 2: it's also like one of the most fickle.

1083
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: As well, Like how how do you like master black Twitter?

1084
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 5: Man?

1085
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 2: Like, you know, cause I feel like black Twitter never forgets,

1086
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: never forgives. They they'll lift you up, they'll clown you,

1087
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: they'll drag you, they'll they'll they'll they'll you know, like

1088
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: like how how do you.

1089
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, how do you cope with that?

1090
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1091
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 3: Again, like growing up in that fundamentalist church man, you know,

1092
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: it's some things like that are always going to be

1093
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 3: some people's Jesus, right, Like they're gonna always remember it

1094
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 3: like some people's Bible verses gonna be their Bible verse.

1095
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: And you gotta realize, like Blackfoot is like Atlanta, It's

1096
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: not a real place.

1097
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 4: An idea.

1098
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 3: Like, so so when you when somebody says something crazy,

1099
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 3: you have to realize, oh, like this is black Twitter.

1100
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 3: It ain't real life, not that what they say is

1101
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: it true, but you recognize like, oh, that person represents

1102
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: one person. Like you'll see like four million people read

1103
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: this tweet and three people says something negative.

1104
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 4: And I've also learned this. And this is the thing

1105
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: that's also.

1106
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: True with like anything, whether you have a business or

1107
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 3: a podcast or anything. Right, Like, the people who love

1108
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: what you do aren't gonna sit down and sometimes they might,

1109
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 3: but they're not gonna sit down and express like, yeah,

1110
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: this was good, right, But the people who but haters

1111
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 3: will take the time has always don't know what it is.

1112
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: Hater's got time, yes, they do nothing.

1113
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: So you always have to remember that, right, Like you you,

1114
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure y'all go places in spaces where people are like, yeah,

1115
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: I like y'all, I really like yourself, and it might

1116
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: be somebody you never thought it might be because like

1117
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, I like that, and I'm gonna

1118
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 3: keep listening. Hater's got time, bro yep. So that Twitter

1119
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: is not a real place and hater's got time.

1120
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 6: You gotta remember that, Yeah, I like that is one

1121
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 6: thing always, Like if you could take the energy of

1122
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 6: a hater and put it into like the battery, Like,

1123
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 6: put that battery in the back of a.

1124
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: Fan, it would be awesome, you know, but you unstoppable. Yeah,

1125
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: because the haters do make time.

1126
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 6: Man.

1127
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: I remember the thing I was saying the bow about

1128
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Games in season one was like, I'm like, the show's great.

1129
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 2: All the feedback is great, all the ratings and reviews

1130
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: are great. The people they executed at the top they

1131
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: love the show.

1132
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: And all that stuff.

1133
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: I said, but you know what we really need, man,

1134
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: it's some fucking haters, like we really need, because you

1135
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: know what makes shit go viral, it'd be when people

1136
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: hate it, like as much as people were like this

1137
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: because our show is not getting renewed and not getting

1138
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 2: the season three, and that dropped to the news, drop

1139
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: that to everybody last week, and I saw people being like,

1140
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: you know, oh, man, this show. I can't believe this

1141
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: that they got. They letting Steven A.

1142
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: Smith do this, and they letting so and so do that,

1143
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: and Skip Bayless got this. And I said, yeah, but

1144
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: you know what y'all do. Y'all share their stuff.

1145
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: Even if you hate it, you go and share their

1146
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 2: stuff and it goes viral with you being like, god,

1147
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: I hate Stephen A.

1148
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:50,479
Speaker 1: Smith.

1149
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: Look what he said about Michael Jordan click send you

1150
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: know all the algorithm, And I was like, we just

1151
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: needed some we need a little bit more hate.

1152
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: I think took us to the next level.

1153
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think I think the show though, like

1154
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 4: when they whenever he.

1155
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: Addressed the topic, whenever by addressed the topic, like he

1156
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: thoroughly dissects it, where like the haters really don't got

1157
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 3: a counter argument exactly with it, Like maybe you.

1158
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 6: Did your job too well, Rod, Right, I think that's

1159
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 6: the problem. I honestly think that's the problem.

1160
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: It's your fault.

1161
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 6: I agree, I blame you, Rod, Honestly, it's bold fault

1162
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 6: because I'm willing to write some unreasonable shit. Okay, it's

1163
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 6: Bo that come in and be like, yeah, but that

1164
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 6: didn't really happen because the ninety six coach k actually

1165
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 6: got this, and so we can't say that the reason

1166
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 6: that he uh pretended that his back was hurt was

1167
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 6: because of this, because he actually did hurt his back.

1168
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but if we just say he a

1169
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: white supremacist, you know what I'm saying. Bo was like, nah,

1170
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: we gotta be reasonable, and so that herd the.

1171
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: Show back.

1172
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 3: And see I feel like, like boat Boat will show

1173
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: somebody's racist. He could he'll show somebody's racism. He won't

1174
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 3: say this person is racist, He'll he'll show the actions, yep,

1175
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: and the only conclusion that you could come up with,

1176
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: oh this person racist, right, But if he does it,

1177
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: it's such a reasonable way that like the haters don't

1178
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: want to say, can't even come out and say he

1179
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: said they were racist.

1180
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he said right, yeah, And then you

1181
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: know the wild part.

1182
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: The wild part about that though, is like I remember

1183
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: he went on Bob Cossa's show after we wrote the

1184
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: Duke episode and JJ Reddick and I forget the white

1185
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: dude that ran the Marlins these niggas was so incensed.

1186
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: You would have thought that we really wrote coach K

1187
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: is a racist KKK member that happens.

1188
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: To coach basketball.

1189
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 6: You would have thought we wrote coach KKK when we

1190
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 6: wrote our piece the way they reacted to it, and

1191
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 6: I was like, Bo, man, I, I I feel like we.

1192
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Wrote all that reasonableness just to get thrown under the bus. Anyway,

1193
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: we might as well have wrote the funny version that

1194
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: I wondered, you know, write them just like, man, fuck

1195
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: this nigga. Fuck fu, fuck that school, fuck anybody affiliated

1196
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: with them.

1197
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see, like a lot of people say that

1198
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 3: like that, I write that people are racists and like

1199
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: it'll be whole articles, but I don't even use the

1200
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: word no racist, right, but they just infer.

1201
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 4: That, right.

1202
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: But I feel like one thing y'all didn't do is

1203
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: y'all didn't say white people enough because white people hate

1204
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 3: the word white people.

1205
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 4: They do the term white people.

1206
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: And and like y'all didn't guard y'all were to y'all

1207
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: were two Yes, yeah, y'all were too good.

1208
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 4: At your jobs. Man were too good? Who exactly who

1209
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 4: did the things right?

1210
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: And so y'all didn't have enough haters y'all but couldn't

1211
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 3: argue in one hundred and forty Yeah.

1212
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they could never find like a they could

1213
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: never find a clip.

1214
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 6: That would go viral out of context, even like because

1215
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 6: you know they'll do that ship too. They take like

1216
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 6: one thing out of context, and it's like if you.

1217
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: Don't watch the whole show.

1218
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 6: There was this moment where Bomani said, because white people

1219
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 6: crazy or whatever, and we never even had like an

1220
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 6: out of context clip that could look bad.

1221
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: So you know, next time next time.

1222
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 5: Because it went through and somebody shut that down.

1223
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it was it was written somewhere.

1224
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, between the writer, between Bomani and the lawyers. It

1225
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 6: was hard to get the lawyers layers like say that.

1226
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: I'll say, I'll say this anecdote and they will move on.

1227
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: But I remember, we get to the final version of

1228
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: the Duke script and you know, I'm a Duke hater, you.

1229
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: Know, I'm.

1230
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 6: So, I'm I'm yeah, so I'm like writing, I'm writing

1231
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 6: flame emoji bars.

1232
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: That people had to take out.

1233
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: Man, So I'm We get to the final day and

1234
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: they was like, I want to say, like the day

1235
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: before taping, and they and one of the lawyers is

1236
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: pushing back and he's like, okay, so we're gonna say

1237
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: that they dominated in this year, but then they had

1238
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: a down year this year, but then they dominated again

1239
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: in this year.

1240
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: So don't we have to say that coach k.

1241
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 6: Was dominant as a coach and as a and a

1242
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 6: duke as a basketball team from this year to this year?

1243
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 1: Aren't we not giving him credit?

1244
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: And everybody's like stumped because they're like cause it's like

1245
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: when you write shit like that, it makes the narrative

1246
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: confusing because you have to go in and be like

1247
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: in eighty nine they had won this many games, but

1248
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: then they lost games, and so everyone gets quiet.

1249
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: And then I and like, I've been working on the

1250
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: ship for weeks. At this point, I'm frustrated a little bit,

1251
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: and I just go, yeah, but also fuck him, and

1252
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: that's and we and we left it out like I was.

1253
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 6: Also, I was, like, I said, but aren't we also

1254
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 6: writing this to say fuck this man? Like have we

1255
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 6: forgotten the plot? Were not about to be giving this

1256
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 6: man any undue credit, Like if you want to, he's

1257
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 6: gotten undue credit his whole goddamn career. Let's let's make

1258
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 6: these jokes man. And then the last another thing too.

1259
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: We wrote about the Masters, and uh, this line never

1260
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: made it into the script, but we're writing about the Masters,

1261
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: and you know the Masters tournament. They Augusta, the actual location.

1262
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: They didn't allow black members for a long time, and

1263
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: now I think right now they may have like less

1264
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 2: than ten, you know, or whatever, and so so this

1265
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: she got taken out volges bro No, but.

1266
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: I wrote this.

1267
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 6: I wrote this line that said Augusta, Augusta is such

1268
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 6: a such, such a racist place that it only just

1269
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 6: now has eight black members and Condoleeze Rice. No.

1270
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 5: I think I would have wrote no.

1271
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: I would have wrote yeah, yeah, yeah right, no, I just.

1272
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah that you didn't got a no.

1273
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 6: He sent back like no, I think he wrote absolutely not.

1274
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 6: And then I text him like, but did you laugh

1275
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 6: because it was funny? He was like, it's funny, we

1276
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 6: can't say that. I was like, all right, now, you did.

1277
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 6: I read on your bio read on your bio that

1278
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 6: you did you wrote poetry? Did you ever perform like

1279
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 6: slam poetry? Were you part of that?

1280
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1281
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was.

1282
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: So I am still one of the only two people,

1283
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 3: if not the only one. I don't know what he did. Like,

1284
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 3: so there's like a SAMN poetry season every year, So

1285
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 3: I am the only person who one of only two

1286
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: people who went through a whole season like with perfect

1287
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 3: so called scores.

1288
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 4: Wow. So yeah, so I did all of it.

1289
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like I'm on, I'm still like on kind

1290
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: of technically the slam poetry scene, even though I don't

1291
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: like perform that much or but I'm still like there's

1292
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 3: a at the events. I'll still go to the events

1293
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: and kick it with my friends and like, if you

1294
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 3: see my interactions on like Twitter is mostly with journalists,

1295
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: but like on Facebook, like all my all my interactions

1296
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: are like poets and wow, from.

1297
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 1: That scene, what is the slam poetry scene?

1298
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: Like in twenty twenty three, I feel like it had

1299
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: a moment where it was like manstream death poetry, slam,

1300
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 2: and then.

1301
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens.

1302
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: It's like one day everybody just decided that, all right,

1303
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: we offer that, and then I always wonder what happened

1304
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: to the scene after that.

1305
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it kept going. It's really kind of

1306
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 4: a niche scene. It got a lot wider, you know,

1307
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 4: white people came in.

1308
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: And then like during the pandemic, man like the dude

1309
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 3: who literally created slam poetry, he did some functionhit like

1310
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 3: and like there was a big split and so like

1311
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: all of the national events have like gone away. So

1312
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: it's just like three or four black folks that's keeping

1313
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 3: the slam poetry scene, you know, alive on a national level.

1314
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: But it's still thriving in certain cities. Baltimore got one

1315
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: of the best are y'all in North Carolina? Man, Like,

1316
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: the really the baddest motherfuckers is slam poetry now and

1317
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: it's spoke the word really in North Carolina right now

1318
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: or either out of there. Some of them have left,

1319
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 3: but everybody kind of funneled through North Carolina. And so yeah,

1320
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 3: it's there's still scenes in different cities. Atlanta you can

1321
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: see something every day. And Charlotte had a dope scene

1322
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: the wind up for a while. But you know, it's

1323
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, it's so everybody online now,

1324
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: so that everybody's trying to figure out how you can

1325
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 3: make it online thing, but it's still alive.

1326
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's dope.

1327
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 2: I had no idea, man, I had to look into

1328
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 2: that because I just like, once that Porty Slam went up,

1329
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 2: I was like, I hope those people have jobs right everything.

1330
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 2: I do also wonder if the white people that do

1331
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: that infiltrated the game, if they still talking to the

1332
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 2: cadence of flam poetry from like twenty and ten, you know.

1333
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 5: They come on there with their acoustic guitars, pumpkin spice.

1334
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 4: The cadence is still a thing. B Part of the reason,

1335
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: like I had, I think part of the reason that

1336
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 4: I had.

1337
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: Some success is just like I talked in a regular voice,

1338
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: talk like my stuff was just like what you read

1339
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 3: my stuff now?

1340
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 4: Like, I like, I like, what are the poems that did?

1341
01:08:59,720 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 4: Was like?

1342
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: Uh for white people who have to listen to black

1343
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 3: forms that poetry slash those old poor white people, Like

1344
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 3: I know, y'all don't want to listen to these white

1345
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 3: niggas talk about ship all day. And so I will

1346
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 3: talk up to Aim a regular voice because people still

1347
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 3: use that cadence.

1348
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's hilarious, dude.

1349
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, I want to get into some games that you

1350
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 2: might because I feel like you already like play these

1351
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: games and understand the humor uh in your own writing.

1352
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 6: Uh.

1353
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: So we got a couple of games to play before

1354
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: we wrap this thing up.

1355
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

1356
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 2: The first game that I want to play with you

1357
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: is a little game called Fucking with Black People fifty.

1358
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 5: I want.

1359
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: By your thousand cups, micro.

1360
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 2: Whistles, depression work twice and saw no matter how.

1361
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 4: Your hardst fifty.

1362
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 2: All right, So Fucking with Black People we go around

1363
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 2: the globe, we find different articles that make us feel

1364
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,879
Speaker 2: fucked with as black people, and we assigned points scores

1365
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 2: from zero to one hundred and intervals of twenty five

1366
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: today's contestants. Everybody a judge dismisses Tosa Race massacre lawsuit.

1367
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1368
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: A year's long legal effort to secure restitution for the

1369
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: three last known living survivors of the nineteen twenty one

1370
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: Tosa Race massacre has.

1371
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: Ended after Judge Caroline Wall.

1372
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: Yes, she was dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice, according to

1373
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: court foulence posted on Friday, and I think with prejudice

1374
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 2: means you can't bring the suit back.

1375
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1376
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: According to court Falance, on Friday, Tosa County District Judge

1377
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: Caroline Wall granted City of Tosa's attorney's motions to dismiss

1378
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: the case with prejudice, meaning that the case.

1379
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: This okay that can't be refound.

1380
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 2: Upon hearing the arguments of counsel and considering the briefs

1381
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: and filed by Council for Planners and Councils for Defendants,

1382
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: the Court respectfully finds and orders the plane of second

1383
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: amending amended petition should and shall be dismissed with prejudice.

1384
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: Attorneys for the City of Tulsa had argued that the

1385
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 2: case should be dismissed because the lawsuit didn't lay out

1386
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: how Judge Wall should remedy the harm. Meanwhile, attorneys for

1387
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 2: Justice for Greenwood argued the state law doesn't require them

1388
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: to provide those answers before a trial is even begun.

1389
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: But they wanted to know, like, how y'all.

1390
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: Gonna address the like which y'all want some money, y'all

1391
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 2: want some land. Y'all didn't say exactly how it was

1392
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: supposed to do renumerations, So right.

1393
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 5: Y'all were gonna vote this down anyway.

1394
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: The stinging defeat for survivors of one of the most

1395
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 2: violent racial domestic terrorist attacks against the wealthiest black community

1396
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: in the US history reverberates across Black America. Many were

1397
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 2: hopeful that a win in Tulsa was set a precedent

1398
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 2: for other communities by white supremacy. I think that's another

1399
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: reason that this shit got shut down, is because Tosa

1400
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: ain't the only one.

1401
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: It's just the one that they put in watchmen, you know.

1402
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, they said, the city will not even have

1403
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 2: the decency to acknowledge the survivors. Attorney Solomon Simmons said

1404
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: the lawsuit, which has gotten further than previous efforts, handed

1405
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: on the state public nuisance law that gives planets the

1406
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: ability to sue when harmon is done to an entire

1407
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: community and hasn't been abated or rectified.

1408
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: But the judge wouldn't even let it go to trial.

1409
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: So zero t oh your cars.

1410
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 5: We need to let it go to trial. I mean,

1411
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 5: at least let it go to work its way through

1412
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 5: the system.

1413
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Mike, how what do you give it?

1414
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it an eighty three because, like I

1415
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 3: feel what Karen saying, but you can't let it go

1416
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 3: to trial. Like anything can happen when you go to trial, right,

1417
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: jury can feel anyway, right, because you might get some

1418
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 3: people who use logic and common sense so that you

1419
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: feel you realize that most cases get dismissed before they

1420
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 3: get to trial because that's how they control the legal system.

1421
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give it an eighty three.

1422
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: And because again, like RYI said, it might have got

1423
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 3: the highest score, but like Tulsa is just the one

1424
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: that we've seen on TV, there's a bunch of like

1425
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: green the Greenwood section of blacks was that we call

1426
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: black Wall Street was named after not just another Black

1427
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 3: Wall Street, but another Greenwood, right, like the best, the

1428
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: biggest villy, like the really the height of all the

1429
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 3: black places that they call black Wall Street was in

1430
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 3: North Carolina, was in in Durham, right, like that was

1431
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 3: the real black Wall Street. Like those companies still exist today.

1432
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm gonna give it an eighty three.

1433
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: All right, I give it. So it's in twenty five,

1434
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: so I'm a movie to seventy five.

1435
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: Okay for me, I'm gonna give it a dr kars okay,

1436
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 2: the highest score because it feels like the full circle

1437
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: fuck you, like like the nineteen twenty one fuck you,

1438
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: and then just one hundred years later they're just like

1439
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 2: and I also fuck you on this end too.

1440
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: You ain't never getting shit, And I.

1441
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 5: Think, don't never talk to us about it again.

1442
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 6: And I do think the president that is setting to

1443
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 6: throw this out cause they're like everyone, like the white

1444
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 6: people are like, well, the president, it was said, if

1445
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 6: it went to trial and they won, how are we

1446
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 6: going to pay back all the black people we killed?

1447
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 3: You know?

1448
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: And to me, I'm like, yeah, but this is also

1449
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 1: setting president.

1450
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 6: It's funny you didn't write that in an article, but

1451
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 6: this is president of There is no remuneration.

1452
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: There is no reparation. Black people just got harmed and

1453
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: y'all just gotta deal with it.

1454
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,879
Speaker 6: So it's it's your cars for me, right, And especially

1455
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 6: when you look at y'all played reparations to other groups

1456
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 6: of people. Now, if it's fair, right, that's a whole

1457
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 6: nother thing. But people got casinos, people got money, people

1458
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 6: got checked. Lot of shit from other nationalities that y'all

1459
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 6: have done wrong. But the people that y'all bought over

1460
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 6: here on the motherfucking boat, y'all go nah, y'all don't

1461
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 6: get shipped.

1462
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 5: Then you wonder why we're mad?

1463
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: All right?

1464
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 3: What would be interesting to do, and that I always

1465
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: wanted to do, is to look at go to the

1466
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 3: white section of Tulsa during the time, look at all

1467
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 3: the business owners and see where the wealth of that

1468
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 3: those families are right now, because you would have to

1469
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 3: conceive that the black peoples whose businesses will burn, their

1470
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 3: children and grandchildren and great grandchildren would.

1471
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 4: Have built that kind of wealth too. Right.

1472
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 3: So even this we're talking about the survivors, but we

1473
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 3: don't talk about the descendants of the survivors, of the

1474
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: descendants of people who lost their property, the descendants of

1475
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 3: the people who kill and the wealth that that could

1476
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 3: have built.

1477
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about that.

1478
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 4: I'm an agreement. I think about that I'll go.

1479
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think about that a lot too, because

1480
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 1: also one of the like it reminds me of I

1481
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: read that Ida B. Wells book about her Sword among

1482
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: Lions is a great book. I recommend it.

1483
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: But when they fucked up the grocery store on the

1484
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 2: Black side of town, one of the main impetus is

1485
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 2: behind that was that the white people grocery store was mad.

1486
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: They was like, these niggas make it too much money.

1487
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 2: Like I feel like that's the lesson to Tosa. Isn't

1488
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: just the money, is Michael pointing out, It's not just

1489
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: the money black people didn't get in the legacies they lost,

1490
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 2: but it's also what white people gained by not having

1491
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 2: those black people there, you know, which is always such

1492
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 2: a cash twenty two.

1493
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's and it's.

1494
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 6: Also frustrating because as you begin to learn history, and

1495
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 6: as you begin to know about history, you'll be like, yeah,

1496
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 6: a lot of these people when they filed and shit,

1497
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 6: they would deny so they couldn't do that, and then

1498
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 6: they had a lot of them had to sell their

1499
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 6: stuff for pennies and dimes on the dollar, or either

1500
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 6: they fled and somebody else just came and just took

1501
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 6: it over.

1502
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 4: Ye got free.

1503
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to the next one.

1504
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, And were you gotta go ahead?

1505
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 7: Like, go ahead, go ahead?

1506
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: Now, I was just gonna say, like, and we always

1507
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 3: think about it as like the rich and successful, but

1508
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 3: like you always hear white people talk about, like my

1509
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 3: great grandandfather was a sign painter, and you sent my

1510
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: my grandfather to college just paiding signs.

1511
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 4: It was people who paided signs who built dynasties off

1512
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 4: of that.

1513
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: And you burned their builters down exactly.

1514
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: And you like you pull themselves up by the bootstraps,

1515
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: and y'all burning the bootstraps the next one. You n

1516
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: c to offer free tuition to some students. Following Supreme

1517
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 2: Court Affirmative Action RULIN, the University of North Carolina A

1518
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: Chapel Hill will offer free tuition to some in state

1519
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: students at the Supreme Court struck down Affirmative Action and

1520
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: admissions in state students whose families making less than eighty

1521
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 2: thousand per year, we'll receive free tuition starting in twenty

1522
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1523
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 6: Income and class average price of tuition that UNC is

1524
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 6: about nine thousand dollars.

1525
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: Per year for in state students.

1526
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 2: We want to make sure students no financial constraints should

1527
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 2: not stand in the way of their dreams. The Supreme

1528
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: Court at the university's a firmative action process. The use

1529
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 2: of racis a factor in college admissions violates the equal

1530
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 2: protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The admissions process prioritize

1531
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 2: applicants for minority backgrounds. Our responsibility to comply with the

1532
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 2: law does not mean we will abandon our fundamental values

1533
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: as a university, he added. We are and will remain

1534
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 2: passionately public, and we will ensure that every student who

1535
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: earns admission to Carolina can come here and thrive. So

1536
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 2: I guess this is their way of trying to offset

1537
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 2: the fact that you can't just say black people. So

1538
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 2: now they're saying, people that's not making a whole lot

1539
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: of money, you can come to the school for free.

1540
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: Karen zero, tie hundred.

1541
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 5: This this gets two scores.

1542
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 6: I give the university a zero because they're trying to

1543
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 6: do something a lot more than other universities. That's like, okay,

1544
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 6: this this is y'all that even even because of higher education,

1545
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 6: somebody had enough sense to be like this is fucked up,

1546
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 6: Like like what do we do to allow people to

1547
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 6: come into the university, Like we just can't just eliminate

1548
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 6: like this doesn't make sense. Also when you do that,

1549
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 6: a lot of people are going to benefit for this,

1550
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 6: probably more that one that would have benefited outside of

1551
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 6: you just looking through race. And it's a zero fun

1552
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 6: the university. And it is a jacaris for the person

1553
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 6: that did the lawsuit to put this shit in it

1554
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 6: to go in the first place, because it was some bullshit. Uh,

1555
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 6: then you say that persons for Canada or some shit

1556
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 6: asient they used then Asian dude from Canada to make

1557
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 6: the cave and that thing.

1558
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 5: Would make me mad. Not try that funny, nigga.

1559
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 6: You're not from here, you don't live here, Like I'm

1560
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 6: not trying to be funded you you you take your

1561
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 6: ass back home, go back to Canada.

1562
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a new one I had. Okay, I normally

1563
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: go back to Africa, but go back to Canada.

1564
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 5: Go back home.

1565
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 4: You live here, Okay.

1566
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 6: You know it's one of these things where you came here,

1567
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 6: you started some ship that you flow your ass back

1568
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 6: over there and you're eating your Canadian bacon and it's

1569
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 6: all good.

1570
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 5: And we got to live with the consequences of your bullshit.

1571
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: I hear you, Mike, what would you score it?

1572
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 3: I wound score it a zero, man, because first of all,

1573
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: again this cultural appropriation. Fitfield State did that ship like

1574
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 3: two years ago they tuition free for so they just

1575
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: adopted something, and like now they want to like if

1576
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 3: they make a tuition free though they.

1577
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Could have did that three years ago, a five years ago.

1578
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 3: To its you're like they could and then I also

1579
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 3: have it's a zero because there's also a solution. First

1580
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 3: of all, seventeen percent of the people at University of

1581
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: North Carolina or legacy, seventeen percent of the white people

1582
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 3: at the University of North Carolina or legacies they have,

1583
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 3: they still have a legacy admissions. I think the solution

1584
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 3: is for white people to give black people they legacy status.

1585
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 3: That's it, right, Like if you ain't using it, you

1586
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: can designate a black person as a legacy.

1587
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 5: I like that.

1588
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: I like that, so that that has nothing yeah, right,

1589
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 3: and so give us your legacy status. But they don't

1590
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: give no credit for doing something that they could have

1591
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 3: done years ago. And they already got a loophole for

1592
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 3: white people.

1593
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 6: Now zero means you're not fucked with at all, as

1594
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 6: opposed the one hundred means you are fucked with, So

1595
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 6: it sounds like you're a little bit.

1596
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 4: You are from Well okay, okay, okay, I'm.

1597
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: On this, Okay, all right, all right. I feel yeah,

1598
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: they could have been did.

1599
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 3: This because they fucking with They ain't really fucking with us,

1600
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 3: but they was fucking with us the whole time.

1601
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: So right, yeah, and it's hard.

1602
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 6: It's hard, Like I can't forget how they did the

1603
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 6: call Hannah Jones over there too, so like I know

1604
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 6: that wasn't everybody, but yeah, that wasn't everybody, but still

1605
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 6: like that that that's that's still in my mind.

1606
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: I would give this a seventy five. I like, I

1607
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: like this idea.

1608
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 6: But one of the things that's becoming very apparent a

1609
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 6: firnative action. People just like and this happened with the

1610
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 6: Supreme Court shit too, and the media coverage.

1611
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: Everybody says a firntive action. And I just think black, yes,

1612
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 2: that because all this has been shorthand for.

1613
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 1: We don't want black people to get stuff. But the

1614
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: truth is a furn action has always helped out white

1615
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: women more than us. They're Asian people.

1616
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 5: There's all kinds of people, one being the factors of it.

1617
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 2: There's a bunch of people who benefit from the progress

1618
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: black people make, and then on the back of our progress,

1619
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: they they progress, you know what I mean. And I

1620
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 2: think this is a case where the school is saying

1621
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 2: we'll use money means as opposed to race, and then

1622
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 2: that'll be fine as a substitute for race. Well, not

1623
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: every black person's poor, obviously, every black person makes less

1624
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: than eighty thousand dollars or whatever.

1625
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: But most importantly, I feel like they're nakedly saying.

1626
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: The squad part out loud, which is, you know, a

1627
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: bunch of people will benefit from this that won't be black,

1628
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 2: And the same thing was already happening with a firmative

1629
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: action in the first place, which to me just shows

1630
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 2: how garbage the whole system is.

1631
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: So seventy five from me, and.

1632
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 4: Can I add one more point?

1633
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: Sure?

1634
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1635
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 3: So I always want to remind people that that North

1636
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 3: Carolina is twenty two percent black, The University of North

1637
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 3: Carolina is eight percent black.

1638
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: They'd given us nothing free. We paid for that school, yep,

1639
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 4: and they're not letting us in yep.

1640
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the next game. This is

1641
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 2: a little game that we like to call fucking with

1642
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 2: Black people. I though, sorry, this is a little game

1643
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: we like called guest the Race.

1644
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes I made mistakes, every right, Uh, this is a

1645
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: little bit we like to call guests the race. Uh again, No,

1646
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: I just I forgot that we had already played it. Uh.

1647
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: Let me play my guest the race of music intro music. Uh,

1648
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: here we go.

1649
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 7: It's time to catch the race. It's time. It's time

1650
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 7: to catch the race. It's time to the race.

1651
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: All right, it's time to play guests the race. Guess

1652
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 2: the Race is a game. We go all around the globe,

1653
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: we find different articles and we guess the race of

1654
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: the people involved, undoing all of the good will we

1655
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:55,520
Speaker 2: just earned.

1656
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Fucking with black people.

1657
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,839
Speaker 2: In this case, the contestant be Karen and Michael Harriett,

1658
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 2: and the chat room plays along and they're all races.

1659
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the first story for Guests

1660
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 1: the Race.

1661
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 2: A prominent TikToker has been arrested, accused of fabricating crimes

1662
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 2: to gain followers.

1663
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 4: What M.

1664
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: Social media personality known for his trying to get the

1665
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: FBI at my door TikTok series.

1666
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: Has succeeded.

1667
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 2: Up, He succeeded, You got just what you wanted, and

1668
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: drawing attention of the police at his home in Canada.

1669
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 2: Anthony Gagne, twenty seven, was arrested for public mischief this week.

1670
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 2: He's accused by authorities of fabricating crimes a game more followers.

1671
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: His TikTok series has more than four hundred and forty

1672
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 2: thousand followers and has garnered nine point five million views.

1673
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: He maintains multiple accounts on various social platforms just to

1674
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 2: distribute his kind, drawing more than five hundred thousand subscribers

1675
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 2: all together. Police say they began investigating in May after

1676
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: they received a complaint regarding a person driving the truck

1677
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 2: with the words free candy displayed on the side and

1678
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: what authority say was an attempt to attract children. In

1679
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 2: a TikTok video on his account, he's seen wearing a

1680
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: fake a fake mustache.

1681
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: He's wearing a fake have a white man too, It

1682
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: is a white man.

1683
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,799
Speaker 2: He's wearing a He's wearing a fake mustache and driving

1684
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 2: a U haul rental around neighborhoods, filming children and pedestrians

1685
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: while also yelling free candy.

1686
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 6: Caption on May twenty six, videos describes as my biggest

1687
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 6: project yet.

1688
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 2: Police alleged they discover multiple videos with similar intentions of

1689
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 2: faking crimes that he published beginning in twenty twenty one.

1690
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: They alleged to use various online search tools to obtain

1691
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 2: information related to committing crimes. The officers identify several videos

1692
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 2: with him simulating crimes.

1693
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: In an attempt to provoke a reaction from Varian laws

1694
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 1: with agencies. His videos regularly.

1695
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: Include the line trying to get the FBI at my door,

1696
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: though it's not clear why the US FBI would be

1697
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 2: involved as he lives in Canada.

1698
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: So let's see what else he did.

1699
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 2: In one of the videos, he cut a piece of

1700
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: cardboard into the shape of a human head and what

1701
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 2: he says is a timpt to make his neighbors believe

1702
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 2: they were beingspired on. He placed the cardboard cut out

1703
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: in his basement window that faces his neighbor's property, then

1704
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 2: went outside to film how it looked from their perspective.

1705
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 1: That video alone got more than seven hundred and ninety

1706
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 1: thousand likes in two thousand comments.

1707
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 6: He had another two part video where he waited more

1708
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 6: than four hours in a hazmat suit, waited for the

1709
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 6: city garbage collections to show up in their scheduled route.

1710
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 5: He had had no people to deal.

1711
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,320
Speaker 6: He placed the barrel bearing a nuclear waste symbol to

1712
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 6: see if the garbage collectors would take the barrel.

1713
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: When asked by him, they responded, no, we won't know.

1714
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 5: That's right. No at five am in the morning. No, sir,

1715
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 5: I got to be done with this by time the

1716
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 5: sun come up.

1717
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 6: Get out of here for the police say they executed

1718
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 6: a search warrant at his home. They say they see

1719
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 6: three cell phones, a tablet of the laptop, fake blood,

1720
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 6: bataklava that's those masks where it covers most of your face,

1721
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 6: a gas mask, and a Rendo vehicle contract. Uh and

1722
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 6: yeah in their public They charge them with public mischief.

1723
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 6: Guess the race of mister let me see his first

1724
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 6: name again? Anthony Gagne, Karen White, Karen's going white, mikeh.

1725
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 4: I think I gotta go see.

1726
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm listening to this show. You do

1727
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 3: fake outs a lot, but I just I feel like

1728
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 3: a black person would have seen the fig call him

1729
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 3: the FI. They don't say, And I feel like, you know, yeah,

1730
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 3: And I feel like it's like a black person. It's

1731
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 3: not that he was should have been scared of the police,

1732
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 3: but like a black person would have had to do

1733
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 3: far less to get the So I'm gonna go with white, all.

1734
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: Right, The chat room says flower, white, palm colored person.

1735
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 2: He has a death wish.

1736
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: White. I look forward to his profile on the New

1737
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: York Times. White. That's last. Niggas ain't got time for

1738
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: no such foolishness. White. He needs to be swatted black ass.

1739
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: White couldn't do the shiggy, but needed to hook one

1740
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: and three clap. White daring the fast to arrest you

1741
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: is very white. There's some young white man. Shit, do

1742
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 2: you want the smoke?

1743
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Bro White?

1744
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 6: The correct answer is everyone said the same thing, white,

1745
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 6: and you got it right.

1746
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: And that's him right there. That's one of his gags

1747
01:29:58,600 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: with the free candy.

1748
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 5: And that mustache. She do he do a child? You

1749
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 5: better get on from my kid.

1750
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: It's just this is just look.

1751
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 4: I love that.

1752
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 3: I love that Karen was most outraged that he was

1753
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: screwing with people doing their work hours like she was

1754
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 3: out ringing about the safety of the people's labors, like

1755
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: those are terrible labor practices.

1756
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Also Karen, you called it on the white man. I

1757
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 1: mean you you did it.

1758
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 5: I mean I was joking.

1759
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 6: I mean, but you know, that's the kind of the

1760
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 6: stereotypical stereotype for catching kids a white man.

1761
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the next one.

1762
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 2: A nurse has been fired for a secret affair with

1763
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: a patient who died during sex in the hospital parking lot.

1764
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was he outside the hospital, but here patient,

1765
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 6: I mean, you can go to the parking lot.

1766
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I guess to have sex.

1767
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 6: I don't.

1768
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you shouldn't be since you're a patient,

1769
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: but you can.

1770
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 6: A British nurse lost her job at the hospital at

1771
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 6: the hospital learned that she had maintained an affair with

1772
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 6: the patient for over a year.

1773
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Shit andy, when the man.

1774
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Died following a sexual encounter with her in the parking lot.

1775
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Now here's the thing, though, you kind of got to

1776
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 2: brag on your stuff if you made somebody die.

1777
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 5: I feel like at least she had the courtesy enough

1778
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 5: to not do it on the clock. I feel like

1779
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 5: that I get off the shift.

1780
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,640
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's low key. Well, she may

1781
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: have been on the clock. We don't know that she

1782
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: got off a show.

1783
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 5: Oh that's true. She do it in the beauty I.

1784
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: Just she did in the parking lot.

1785
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 2: But my thing is just I think you I will

1786
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 2: probably feel like I would brag a little bit like girl,

1787
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: I got that killer Okay, you know I got that

1788
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 2: killer gorilla grip they not I put.

1789
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: As the French call it the little death.

1790
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

1791
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: That made The man known as A.

1792
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 2: Patient A was receiving Dallas's treatment. He had a heart

1793
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 2: attack during the LA Night meeting in January last year.

1794
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 2: Penelope Williams forty two failed to call for an ambulance

1795
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 2: after the patient collapse in the back of his car.

1796
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's a tough call.

1797
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 5: That's a tough comp You got the call, but was

1798
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 5: your job anyway, But you got the call.

1799
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: She didn't call. But I'm saying that's a tough that's

1800
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 1: a tough one. How do he die on top of me?

1801
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:22,040
Speaker 4: You know?

1802
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 6: Uh?

1803
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 2: Patient A died from heart failure and chronic kidney disease

1804
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: triggered by a medical episode.

1805
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: The episode he was there for dallasis Yeah.

1806
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 2: The episode triggered the investigation and hearing before a nurse

1807
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: and midwife, a recouncil Fitness to Practice panel, which her

1808
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 2: testimony that Williams had ignored advice from colleagues who had

1809
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 2: urged her to call an ambulance.

1810
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:46,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's even worse.

1811
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: So she talked to college like she must have talked

1812
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:51,679
Speaker 2: to somebody, said should I call her the ambulance?

1813
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 1: That was like, you need to call it avers like girl,

1814
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: but I was funking them. It don't matter.

1815
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,639
Speaker 5: You still got the call.

1816
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, the patient A had met Williams through work, with

1817
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 2: Williams helping to treat him for his condition.

1818
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: Yo, he must have had game to have, like no

1819
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: kidneys would still be pulling.

1820
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 6: His nurse still getting that dieting girl teared up after this, dallasis.

1821
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 5: That don't seem like fun?

1822
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 6: Well, emergency personnel arrived eventually arrived.

1823
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: They found him partially naked and unresponsive.

1824
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1825
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1826
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 2: Williams had called a colleague instead of emergency personnel, and

1827
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:31,480
Speaker 2: the colleagues said call her ambulance.

1828
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: She delayed in doing so.

1829
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 2: She was crying in distress and asked for help as

1830
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 2: she tried to explain someone had died.

1831
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: The colleague ended up calling.

1832
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 2: The ambulance instead, snitch, who found patient A dead upon

1833
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 2: it to uh, and.

1834
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.

1835
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 6: I would have told it too, because I was like, Nope,

1836
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 6: you are not going to get me as a sensory

1837
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 6: After the fact, Williams initially told police and a paramedic

1838
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 6: that she had gone to meet with him after he

1839
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 6: messaged her on Facebook that he felt unwell. She claimed

1840
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 6: she only spent only about third forty five minutes in

1841
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 6: the back of the car just talking. She further explained

1842
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 6: the patient started growing and suddenly died.

1843
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Now I do believe that part.

1844
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 2: She had testified at an initial February hearing. She later

1845
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 2: admitted to the ongoing relationship and that she had met

1846
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 2: up with him at night for a sexual accounter, and

1847
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 2: her mission at a later hearing in may result than

1848
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 2: her final dismissal from the job. All right, well, guess

1849
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 2: the race of miss Penelope Williams.

1850
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 5: I'm going black.

1851
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Karen's going black?

1852
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.

1853
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 3: I feel like dress people who work at call centers

1854
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 3: and they just trying to find somebody, and it's hard

1855
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 3: in the dating game man people. So I'm gonna plus,

1856
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 3: you know, he probably had if you subjected to game

1857
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 3: like I feel like white women they would have been

1858
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 3: subjected to so like somebody was rich, like they get

1859
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 3: wooed by money, but she sounded like she got wooed

1860
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 3: by game.

1861
01:34:59,040 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go with black.

1862
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: All right, let's see what the chat room believes. Let's

1863
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 2: see only takes four to five minutes now, not forty.

1864
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: Oh that's not right, in it, in it Black Penelope

1865
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 2: fancied the shag in the car park, White night, nurse

1866
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 2: gone wrong. White, How dialysis sounds sexy to you, Hella White?

1867
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I heard a black woman named Penelope White. Lol.

1868
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 2: I need to know what kind of vehicle they were in,

1869
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 2: because London to love small cars.

1870
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. Got her we yeah, I don't. I

1871
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: actually have no idea.

1872
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: Got her nursing degree from everest nigga killing him not

1873
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: so softly, Nurse Jackie Brown. But Penelope going white again,

1874
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: floated on like a cloud. White snatched his soul.

1875
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 6: Black UK and Penelope and blinking in cars white as

1876
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 6: her uniform, criminal minds white.

1877
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 2: All right, So got a lot of white in the chat.

1878
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 2: You guys both went black and you both missed it.

1879
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: What now some of you got it right, So let

1880
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,520
Speaker 2: me get your applause.

1881
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: And that's Penoton.

1882
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 6: Oh yes, another reason why I went black because they

1883
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 6: was afraid to lose their job.

1884
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: They was afraid to lose their job.

1885
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, calling nine one one like a reasonable person,

1886
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 6: you were just petrify.

1887
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: I was like loo comandm okay.

1888
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 2: I thought maybe y'all were trying to make a statement

1889
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 2: on the power of black sex or something.

1890
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know. It felt white to me, but uh,

1891
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, I also are.

1892
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 4: I feel like a white woman.

1893
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 3: A white woman wouldn't have done that to a healthy

1894
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 3: couldn't have done that to a healthy dude.

1895
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 4: It had to be you know, she had a handicap.

1896
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 2: Black woman, kill you? You be full, you be four

1897
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 2: one hundred percent healthy. Okay, that's what happened to Michael

1898
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: Klark Duncan.

1899
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: That's exactly see shows sweet she killed my dallasis okay? Listen,

1900
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:12,679
Speaker 1: all right, now we gotta go to the bonus round.

1901
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 7: It's time to guess the race. It's tied. It's time

1902
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 7: to guess the race.

1903
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: It's all right, bonus round.

1904
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 2: Everyone's tied between Michael and Karen, and uh the bonus

1905
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 2: round is worth double the points.

1906
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: So we'll see how it ends here. May end with

1907
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the tie, may have a winner a.

1908
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 2: New Jersey judge is under investigation for lip sinking lyrics

1909
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 2: about murder and drugs on TikTok.

1910
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: What mm hmm?

1911
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 2: A New Jersey judge using alias to post TikTok videos

1912
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: lip syncing rap and pop songs with controversial lyrics, and

1913
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 2: did so at times while wearing his judicial robes and

1914
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 2: in the courthouse.

1915
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,040
Speaker 1: What on the job?

1916
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 5: Did he have a name? His name tag onto?

1917
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 2: Just like when the NFL players are getting suspended for

1918
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 2: gambling at the facility and he's.

1919
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: Just like, man, did you just not want the job?

1920
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,639
Speaker 1: Just like I don't even know the rules for gambling

1921
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:19,560
Speaker 1: and I know that's definitely in the rules that you

1922
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: can't do that shit?

1923
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 5: Did Y'allso hold the gavel up too?

1924
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: Superior Court Judge Gary N. Wilcox, fifty eight posted about

1925
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: forty videos under the name sal Tortorella from April eleven

1926
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 2: to twenty and twenty twenty one to March fourth. According

1927
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 2: to the complaint from the Supreme Court in New Jersey

1928
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 2: Advisory Committee on Judicial Conduct, which was filed Friday, will

1929
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 2: cox posts were public and not in a private setting.

1930
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 2: The complaint said the post undermined public convenists and the

1931
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 2: judiciary enviral related judicial rules, it said. The complaint also

1932
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,639
Speaker 2: said that many of the videos included references to violence, sex,

1933
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 2: and misogyny, and that one post included the judge partial.

1934
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:04,240
Speaker 1: Dressed while lying in bed. Oh now we know it's

1935
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: under them ropes.

1936
01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:05,839
Speaker 5: Apparently.

1937
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,600
Speaker 2: In one video with it, will Cox was in his

1938
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,720
Speaker 2: judge chambers with low books behind him. He wore a

1939
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 2: suit and tie and lip sync the following lyrics. The

1940
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 2: complaints said, all my life, I've been waiting for somebody

1941
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:18,880
Speaker 2: to whoop my ass.

1942
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean business. You think you can run up on

1943
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 1: me and whoop my monkey ass? Come on, come on?

1944
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 4: What is that?

1945
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that.

1946
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 6: Okay, it's not always a song. Oh okay, yeah, you

1947
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 6: can lip sing other stuff too.

1948
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

1949
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 6: Uh.

1950
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 2: In another video, Willcox wore Beavis and butt Head T

1951
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,400
Speaker 2: shirt while he walked through the courthouse as rapper Nibs

1952
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 2: Get Down played The song, the complaint said, included derogatory

1953
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 2: lyrics and made gang and drug references that included killing

1954
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 2: a doctor who treated a gang member. In one post,

1955
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: Willcox wore a freedom of speech T shirt and lip

1956
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 2: sync to a song that referred to spilling Kangyak on

1957
01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:00,879
Speaker 2: a two hundred dollars suit. Uh Willcox has been practicing

1958
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 2: laws in New Jersey, says nineteen eighty nine, nineteen eighty Now.

1959
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 5: You threw it all away for some cause, some lips

1960
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 5: being getting that don't make no sense.

1961
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: Fifty eight does seem kind of old. The joint TikTok

1962
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: and decide this is gonna be my new thing.

1963
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 5: Right, this is what happens. You got old people to

1964
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,480
Speaker 5: get online down and that's their grandkids.

1965
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: Attorney Robert B.

1966
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 2: Hill, who was representing will Cox, said Wednesday in the

1967
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 2: email he's preparing a response to the complaint. He asked

1968
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 2: for comment on his clients Beyalf. He pointed to a

1969
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 2: statement he gave The New York Times. I don't think

1970
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, anybody's going to

1971
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 2: believe there was any desire to do any harm here.

1972
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: Hindsight is twenty twenty that that's not a strong defense.

1973
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say they knew they didn't have non

1974
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: consight of twenty twenty is not a strong defense.

1975
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 2: That's like a I was wrong, but now that you

1976
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: look at it, you can see how I was wrong, right,

1977
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 2: Like I get it now.

1978
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: He has twenty days to.

1979
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 2: Submit a written review, a written or formal answer to

1980
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,679
Speaker 2: the complaint, although that time could be extended. After Caesar response,

1981
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 2: the Advisory Committee on the Judicial Conduct will schedule formal hearing.

1982
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

1983
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 2: They can also issue private discipline or Canasta State Supreme

1984
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 2: Court to issue public discipline for admonition, censure or suspension,

1985
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 2: or to remove from the bench. So, uh, we don't

1986
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 2: know what the penalty will be yet, but guess the

1987
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 2: race of Gary Willcox, I'm going white's going white?

1988
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 1: What about you, Mike, I'm going black?

1989
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 3: That song by Nas get down, that's a that's a

1990
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 3: deep pick, that's a deep cut because it's talking about

1991
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 3: shooting a judge in the courtroom, got a gun in

1992
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 3: the courtroom. So you got to know the deep touch, right,

1993
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 3: you got to investigate it.

1994
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 6: I hear, I hear.

1995
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: What's thinking.

1996
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:53,520
Speaker 6: Let's check the chat from Clarence Thomas Earth to doppelganger White.

1997
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:55,759
Speaker 1: Mike Turrico.

1998
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,560
Speaker 2: Just an Italian kid kid black black judge Juicy just

1999
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 2: he white and watched that old people mess Connelly beans white.

2000
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 2: Ain't no black people named Gary will Cox. This is

2001
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 2: a Caucasian, just Juice Jay black. This nigga was tripping,

2002
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 2: still not worse than Judge Joe Brown, black and lastly white.

2003
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: The correct answer is I believe he was black. So

2004
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: Michael Wins Karen, you said white. But here's the here's

2005
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 1: the thing, though, he was tipp era. Oh go ahead

2006
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 1: say that again.

2007
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was saying that that song from Nas white

2008
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 3: that means he was a Justice eighty nine deefenitted hip

2009
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 3: hop era.

2010
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 4: He he just wanted to show off his skills.

2011
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Man, how many blacks did he send to jail and

2012
01:42:58,640 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: then go listen to hip hop? I want? But here's

2013
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: this picture. You can make an argument kind of like

2014
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 1: on that, Michael Turrico.

2015
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: If someone said in the chat like I could see

2016
01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 2: people thinking he's a white man.

2017
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: But to me, that's that looked like a light skinned brother. Okay.

2018
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 5: The beabs and butt head made me shirt made me

2019
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 5: say white.

2020
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I can see that. You know, black people like

2021
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,560
Speaker 1: Reaves and butter heead too. But I feel you. I

2022
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:24,400
Speaker 1: feel you. I feel like you was only half wrong.

2023
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 1: Like he's probably got a white parrot or some shit.

2024
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's last thing.

2025
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 2: We gotta talk about sword ratchiness because we gotta spread

2026
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 2: the word out here.

2027
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:57,360
Speaker 1: Sword ratchiness. We go around the globe, we find different articles.

2028
01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 2: About the scourge of these goddamn swords because no one's

2029
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 2: talking about it. We talk about guns, we talk about

2030
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 2: all kinds of other dangers to society, but for some reason,

2031
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,679
Speaker 2: we let swords slip through the cracks, and they're killing

2032
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 2: people every day. Intruder with a Samurai sword attacks a

2033
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,839
Speaker 2: Texas man during the home burglary.

2034
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: Now, first of all, you brave and shit to only

2035
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 1: have a sword.

2036
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 5: In Texas right the home of the guns.

2037
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:27,839
Speaker 6: Okay, the close friend, the close friend of an armarill

2038
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 6: old resident is accused of using a Samurai sword to

2039
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:31,879
Speaker 6: attack him during a home invasion.

2040
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: So you were a close friend of the person you

2041
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: attacked in their own that's interesting.

2042
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 2: On Sunday May fourteen, around three fifty am, uh Colling, y'all,

2043
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:45,560
Speaker 2: you know how you pronounced his name? His name is

2044
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,919
Speaker 2: kJ E t I L Cojetto. I don't know Cojetto,

2045
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 2: Eric majall mj O l h u s So I

2046
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 2: don't know. You say that broke into KC. Cabinets's house

2047
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 2: and use the sword to attack Cabinets.

2048
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: And his dog. The dog is like no wild man

2049
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 1: it right, Maulhaus. I think that's how he says.

2050
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 2: His last name was in the backyard when officers arrived,

2051
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: police said, adding.

2052
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: That they had to tase them because he wouldn't cooperate.

2053
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:13,840
Speaker 5: Oh.

2054
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 2: According to law enforcement, he injured himself when he grabbed

2055
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 2: the intruder's sword to defend himself. Cabinets injured himself when

2056
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: he grabbed the intruder sword to defend himself. Cabinets recently

2057
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 2: had surgery to repair the injury attending in the joint

2058
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 2: of his thumb. Another friend of Cabinets, set in the

2059
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 2: description posted to the GoFundMe.

2060
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: Paid for him.

2061
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 2: Cabinis's home was vandalized. His belongings and furniture will also destroy,

2062
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 2: his friend wrote. Some of the funds for the GoFundMe

2063
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 2: page will also help pay for his surgery and time

2064
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 2: and rehab.

2065
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,959
Speaker 1: Says he does not have medical insurance.

2066
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:46,679
Speaker 2: Officials said that maulhaus was charged with burglary of a habitation,

2067
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: possession of a controlled substance, resistant arrest, and terroristic threats.

2068
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Against the peace officer. Wow. Yeah, he went for the

2069
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: whole kid Nick's.

2070
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 2: Bootle Mike, tell everybody where to find you told him

2071
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 2: about the podcast as all that stuff.

2072
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 3: You can find me on all social media platform and

2073
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 3: as Michael Harriet in my c h A E l

2074
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 3: h A R R I O T. The podcast Trip

2075
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 3: To debuts Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. Black af

2076
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 3: History comes out September nineteenth, so you got a while,

2077
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 3: but you can preorder it now on Amazon or wherever

2078
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 3: you get your books. And I just want to dismiss

2079
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,760
Speaker 3: any notion that I am anti sword, but I am

2080
01:46:30,840 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 3: pro sword. My daughter was a nationally ranked fencer, so

2081
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 3: I think that that is the only standard that I

2082
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 3: agree disagree with.

2083
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 1: Our So this is gonna be interesting. We don't disagree.

2084
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 4: I just want to make that clear.

2085
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: Here's the thing we don't disagree.

2086
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 5: Mike was trained.

2087
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:49,560
Speaker 1: This is what I believe in.

2088
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 2: I believe that we should have sword responsibilities. You need

2089
01:46:53,640 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 2: responsible sword.

2090
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you're training.

2091
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you training and find what I don't like

2092
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 2: is these nerves go to comic Con by the motherfucking

2093
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 2: he man sword put it over the mantle.

2094
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 1: And then I'm reading the article.

2095
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm reading the article about how they let somebody who

2096
01:47:09,400 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 2: was like mentally unstable in their house and they killed

2097
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,560
Speaker 2: their grandmama. And I'm like, now, why the fuck is

2098
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 2: that okay? Because you know, if it was a gun,

2099
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 2: we'd be trying to pass some type of law. But

2100
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 2: so we kind of stand on the same ground always.

2101
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:24,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you cleared that up.

2102
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, train it. We don't, we don't mind it.

2103
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,640
Speaker 4: I would like to, I would. I would. Also. I

2104
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:29,600
Speaker 4: also want y'all to.

2105
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 3: Know that somehow ride y'all listen to to Mania and Chelsea,

2106
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 3: that Rode fouled their way to include swords.

2107
01:47:37,080 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 4: In the episode that he wrote.

2108
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, y'all all know my y'all are know my

2109
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:43,680
Speaker 2: y'all know my bars when you see them.

2110
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,920
Speaker 1: That's all, you know. Try to get some stuff in

2111
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: there every time, sneak stuff. But yeah, man, check out Drake,

2112
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: check out Drake Thomoniacs.

2113
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 6: Man.

2114
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm really proud of it, and I think we really

2115
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,759
Speaker 2: got some good stuff cooking. I'm excited and I'm excited

2116
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 2: about it, y'all.

2117
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thanks for coming on, Mike. I've been a fan.

2118
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 6: I've seen your your threads one line for a long time.

2119
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 2: I had no idea that you even knew uh the

2120
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 2: blackout tips, that you knew who I was and all

2121
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 2: that stuff, so most people don't know who we are.

2122
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was that was that was like.

2123
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 2: A cool moment, a full circle moment, and you got

2124
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: to come back, especially right before your book drops so

2125
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 2: we can we could push the book as well.

2126
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Man.

2127
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,360
Speaker 4: All right, man, thank you all for having me anytime.

2128
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,120
Speaker 4: I always know who you are.

2129
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 1: All right, y'all, we'll talk to y'all throughout the week

2130
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: until next time. I love you.

2131
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 4: Wh