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Speaker 2: today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay's Travis, Buck Sex that show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. We are

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Speaker 1: six days from the.

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Speaker 3: New Hampshire primary. What do we expect?

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Speaker 1: What do the remaining contenders, Nikki Hayley and Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: actually won?

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Speaker 3: We will discuss.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Tuberville, Senator from Alabama, joins us at two thirty

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Speaker 1: Eastern time. So many different moving parts. The battle in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire is ongoing, plus major Supreme Court case. Buck

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Speaker 1: is even gonna nerd out like he's a law school.

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Speaker 3: Law review participant. That should be fun.

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Speaker 2: Also, there is no I want everyone to get their

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Speaker 2: pocket protectors ready, my friends. There is no one kidnapped.

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Speaker 2: Buck has got a puppy at his feet. I can

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Speaker 2: hear Ginger yelping a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I just want you all to know if you hear yelping,

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Speaker 1: no one has been kidnapped. Although I will point out

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Speaker 1: third straight I guess Martin Luther king Day was a holiday,

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Speaker 1: but Tuesday and Wednesday all my kids are home, and

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Speaker 1: boys are directly downstairs from my studio playing Madden, and

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Speaker 1: they scream and they yell and they fight like wild

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Speaker 3: All that plus Buck.

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Speaker 1: I watched the nineteen eighties movie last night that I

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Speaker 1: had not seen in thirty some odd years, Crocodile Dundee.

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Speaker 1: At some point we may have some fun with that.

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Speaker 1: The kids absolutely loved it. But I want to start

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Speaker 1: with this question for you. I think you are in

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Speaker 1: agreement with me that in the wake of Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: thirty point win, he has effectively locked up the Republican nomination.

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Speaker 1: Vivey Ramaswami acknowledged that gets seven point seven percent of

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Speaker 3: He has endorsed Trump.

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Speaker 1: Will play a little bit of that audio at a

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Speaker 1: rally last night during the course of the show. That

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Speaker 1: means that Trump now has two contenders remaining in this race.

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis, who both you and me believe is the

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Speaker 1: best governor in the country. He got everything right on COVID,

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Speaker 1: but the Republican electorate did not respond to him in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: And Nikki Hayley, who is been out of office for

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Speaker 1: you would analyze this. Nicky Haley staying in the race

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Speaker 1: makes sense to me because Nicky Haley would love to

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis right now. Pole came out from the Boston

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Speaker 2: I believe this morning, Donald Trump fifty percent, Nicky Haley

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Speaker 2: Certainly a lot of you out there would have preferred DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: But what basically analyze this do you agree with? I

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Speaker 1: I can't figure out the DeSantis plan buck, unless it is, Hey,

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Speaker 2: So the thing about that last option is we know

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Speaker 2: So that's one possibility there that that it's really about. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: no one is kidnapped.

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Speaker 3: No one is kidnapped. It's a puppy.

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Speaker 2: She's usually so quiet, she sits under the desk during

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Speaker 2: so that's not insignificant said he should drop out.

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Speaker 3: He has formally endorsed Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And said that that that Desanta should drop out. CNN

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Speaker 2: is no longer even holding a primary debate in New

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Speaker 2: he's willing to talk and debate. I give credit to

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm not canceling the dinner date. You guys

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Speaker 3: We agree on that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to work through if you're and I'm

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Speaker 1: this is the worst poll ever, and remember all of

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Speaker 1: the Iowa polls ended up correct. Right, everybody out there

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Speaker 1: So Desantra is going to have to fight tooth and

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Speaker 3: Be nowhere near Haley or Trump. What is the game

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Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing I can think is that

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Speaker 2: We have to remember that there's what's what's sensible in

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Speaker 2: I think right now, for the Desantas team and for

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley, well, Nicki Haley, we've already discussed. It's clear

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Speaker 2: This is exactly what we said was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's kind of talked to about, Oh, we ran such

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Speaker 2: So there's really not much any finished last than Iowa.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think there's any surprise with any of that.

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Speaker 3: For Ron. You know, no one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's going to remember the prime like

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Speaker 2: this is the other part of this too.

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Speaker 3: We're so focused in on this right now.

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Speaker 2: Is anyone even going to remember how Ron does in

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. Donors might.

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Speaker 2: Donors might If you gave one hundred million dollars of

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Speaker 2: it might make you less excited to donate in twenty

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Speaker 2: eight where if you yeah, I was gonna say, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but if you did that, what would you want him

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Speaker 2: to run through the tape even though he's a lap behind?

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Speaker 3: The next thing?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: The first Let me just say this, if I had

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's the attack ad right now.

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Speaker 2: You know this is there. You can always find some

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Speaker 1: that would have been a very good result. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of professional politicians that a vake

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Speaker 1: outlasted well.

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Speaker 2: He created hold on but on the Viveke than Clay.

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Speaker 2: He created this bubble of invincibility from MAGA attack because

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Speaker 2: he was basically running as an adjunct of the Trump

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Speaker 2: campaign Haley and DeSantis and Chris Well Chris Christy.

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Speaker 3: Not really that much because it never really got any numbers.

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Speaker 2: There have been there have been millions and millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars spent by Trump packs and by the Trump campaign

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Speaker 2: to smash those guys. The worst that Vivey got was

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Speaker 2: one tweet like he's not MAGA and then a day

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Speaker 2: later psych he's Maga.

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Speaker 3: I love him. We were just kidding.

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Speaker 2: So you know, look, it's like what Vivek did. On

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Speaker 2: the one hand, I can see it as people people

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Speaker 2: seeing it as as brilliant because he was able to

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Speaker 2: get as much as he did and as far as

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Speaker 2: he did without it. But he was only able to

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Speaker 2: do it because he wasn't really running to be president.

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Speaker 2: And that was the and I said that all along

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Speaker 2: he wasn't running to be president, which was quite clear.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to go back again retrospectively. I

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Speaker 1: think this race is over right. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to say was on Monday, sorry Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: we said, hey, if you think the race is not over,

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Speaker 1: call in. We got one call on that issue from

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Speaker 1: people saying the race not over. What did I say

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Speaker 1: to start the show today? How do you want DeSantis

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Speaker 1: to finish the race? The DeSantis people have just thrown

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Speaker 1: in the towel. Even the diehards that are listening to

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Speaker 1: us right now, they're like, it's over. I think the

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Speaker 1: retroactive retrospective analysis of this campaign is going to show

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Speaker 1: one that you couldn't win once Trump got indicted. I

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Speaker 1: really think you couldn't win unless you ran a perfect campaign,

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Speaker 1: but I think the data is going to reflect that

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to win, you had to go directly

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Speaker 1: after Trump and throw punches at him. And it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that both NICKI Haley and DeSantis, who are

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Speaker 1: the final candidates standing, We're trying to have it both ways.

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Speaker 1: They wanted Trump's supporter to wipe them, but they never

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Speaker 1: really went aggressively after Trump enough to actually beat him. Now,

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Speaker 1: viveg didn't even go after him, right, The guy who

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Speaker 1: actually went after him was Chris Christie. He never had

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Speaker 1: any actual He was basically saying he's the best president

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Speaker 1: since George Washington or something. I mean, it's not just

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Speaker 1: he didn't go after him. And this is what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I again, I see the great sides of Viveke. I

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Speaker 2: totally respect his skill, his acumen, his intelligence. On a

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Speaker 2: personal level, I like Viveke, but he wasn't running for president.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing was kind of it felt a little scammy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: He's running to be there on behalf of the MAGA

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Speaker 2: campaign or of the Trump campaign on stage swatting at

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Speaker 2: other people, and it was brilliant for him, like what

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Speaker 2: he did for Viveke was totally effective. But for a

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Speaker 2: lot of us, I think we're sitting here saying, okay,

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Speaker 2: but if you can't say that someone's the best president

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Speaker 2: in the history of the Republic and they're running, but

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Speaker 2: you're also running.

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Speaker 1: I think that there was Yeah, I think there was

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Speaker 1: a lane where, like Chris Christy basically just ran a

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Speaker 1: campaign that was Trump is evil, Stop trumpet all costs,

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Speaker 1: stop Trump at all costs. That doesn't win, right, But

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Speaker 1: I think there was a lane and I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody hit it where you ran and said Trump is

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Speaker 1: not the right choice. I'm gonna rip Trump, but I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell you why I'm the right choice. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody actually ran that right, Like, there

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Speaker 1: there is a lane where Trump was really good but

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Speaker 1: his time has passed. We got an old guy running,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. But I think you don't even think that

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Speaker 1: lane exist.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 2: I think what IWA showed everybody is that it's still

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Speaker 2: Trump's Republican Party, and the party, by substantial majority, does

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Speaker 2: not want to move on. They want to give him

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Speaker 2: another shot. Now, if that is macro level analysis that

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Speaker 2: is accurate, I think a lot of this other stuff

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Speaker 2: is almost.

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Speaker 4: It.

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Speaker 2: It's des would be like to shoot I mean, yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: could anything really have to given the actual mood as

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Speaker 2: we are seeing it from the polls of the Republican

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Speaker 2: primary electorate. Is anything that any of these candidates could

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Speaker 2: have done or would have done going to change that?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think it does.

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Speaker 2: I would like to see the multiverse where Trump never

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Speaker 2: gets charged. The race, if there are no charges that

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Speaker 2: are ever brought against Trump, I think is a totally

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Speaker 2: different race. I think as soon as Biden and his

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice and the State of New York charged Trump,

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Speaker 2: they opened up a situation where the rallying effect behind

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Speaker 2: Trump made it almost impossible for anybody else to win.

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Speaker 2: And here's here's the part of this that we all

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Speaker 2: have to understand. And I think I say this as motivation.

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Speaker 2: I say this as motivation for the Republican Party for

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Speaker 2: all the close races, for the almost certain Trump reelect

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Speaker 2: campaign coming up. If the whole game was to indict

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Speaker 2: Trump so he could win, so then they could beat

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Speaker 2: him in the general and they pull that off, our

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Speaker 2: party should be ashamed, ashamed of how foolish we are.

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Speaker 2: So we have to make sure that that does not happen,

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Speaker 2: because if that does happen, we will have been out maneuvered, swindled,

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Speaker 2: and schooled by the Biden Pelosi Democrats. I just want

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Speaker 2: to go on record that is the truth right now, everybody.

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Speaker 2: So we better win this one because we will have

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Speaker 2: egg all of everyone who votes for Trump, everyone who

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Speaker 2: votes Republic in this fall. If Biden ends up winning,

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Speaker 2: and if it's all because of these indictments, it's on

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Speaker 2: us for walking into the trap. So the answer here is,

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Speaker 2: of course Trump's gotta win. We just got to make

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Speaker 2: sure Trump wins. It's true, you know, I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're right. They have laid they did exactly what they

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Speaker 2: wanted to do. I think they made the calculated decision

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Speaker 2: that if they indicted Trump, it would make Trump the nominee.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of Trump people don't want to hear

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Speaker 2: that Biden wants to run against Trump. I'm saying that

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Speaker 2: they've raised the stake such that if Biden, let's just say,

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Speaker 2: beats Trump, it changes. If you're right and it turns

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Speaker 2: into Michelle Obama, well that's a whole other plan. Then

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Speaker 2: the plan wasn't really just the indictment.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think they would be acknowledging that the plan wasn't

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Speaker 1: working and basically breaking the glass for Michelle Obama is

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Speaker 1: the play.

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Speaker 2: If they continue with Biden in this race. The plan

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Speaker 2: was always Biden v.

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Speaker 3: Trump.

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Speaker 2: Understand that now we need to own that if they

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Speaker 2: continue with Biden in the race, which I think they will,

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Speaker 2: Clay Thing's probably not, but that also means we need

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Speaker 2: to see that we will be as a party, as

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Speaker 2: a movement made to look like utter fools. If Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is getting sworn in again, and you want to.

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Speaker 1: Talk about four D chess, this would have been they

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Speaker 1: set down a couple of years out and said this

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Speaker 1: is what.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring charges in twenty twenty four like that.

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Speaker 1: I I really think that is what they have decided

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Speaker 1: to do. I think this is a calculated decision. And

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Speaker 1: now the outcome determines the wisdom of the strategy. Here correct,

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Speaker 1: the outcome determines the wisdom. So because man, it is

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Speaker 1: if this, if that is anyway, we're motivated.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get it done. Trump's gonna get it done.

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Speaker 2: I gotta say one thing that we haven't talked about

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Speaker 2: very much. Has Trump had a single in terms of

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Speaker 2: just winning, in terms of brute force politics of winning.

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Speaker 2: Has he had a single misstep really in his campaign?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 2: This you know this past year, whether it was not

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Speaker 2: debating the different candidates, the whole, the vake ploy all this.

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Speaker 3: I think the.

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Speaker 2: Trump campaign has actually shown a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of dexterity, the influencer campaign online, keeping everybody, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, like they they they're probably in.

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Speaker 1: I think the best thing that this is one thing

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Speaker 1: that I do think is blown up on Democrats. I

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Speaker 1: think Trump not being on Twitter helps him immensely. I

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Speaker 1: really do, because the people who would otherwise be obsessed,

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Speaker 1: they're lazy, and they don't go to truth social.

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Speaker 2: They just funny, it's true, they have no idea. Only

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Speaker 2: the only people know it's on true Social or.

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Speaker 1: Trump voters, That's right. Yeah, So he gets his message

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Speaker 1: out without getting the constant like.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, the world's gonna end.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See Clayton's voices too.

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Speaker 2: Everybody, if you disagree with anything, I want disagreement right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got caught a neck guy's Instagram account and

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, and we had mentioned it at the top,

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Speaker 2: and I want to get into a little bit of

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Speaker 2: additional a little bit deeper into some of the substance.

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Speaker 2: You know, look the elections, it's happening tuesday. We'll see,

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Speaker 2: We've made some predictions. But here, here we go. I'll

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Speaker 2: lay this out as best I can for everybody. So

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Speaker 2: there's the I'm just realizing this is a big this

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Speaker 2: is a big ask. Actually, this is not easy to describe.

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Speaker 2: When you said, when you said off air, hey, the

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Speaker 2: Chevron case, I was like, man, that's even even for

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Speaker 2: legal people. This is a nerdy thing to explain. It's significant,

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Speaker 2: but super nerdy. So so I'll give a layman's interpretation

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Speaker 2: of what's going on in the Supreme Court's hearing a case.

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Speaker 2: And it has to do with the way that the

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Speaker 2: federal bureaucracy is able to get deference when it comes

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Speaker 2: to the interpretation of congressional statue. In essence, if there's

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Speaker 2: some broad authority, let's say that like.

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Speaker 3: The EPA has.

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Speaker 2: On wetlands, and you go, Okay, I like wetlands to

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Speaker 2: be protected. I don't want all the marshes and the

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Speaker 2: swamps to disappear because I like alligators and flamingos or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Florida centric down here, but you get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, what if they decide that actually a wetland is

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Speaker 2: a body of water that's in your backyard, and therefore

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Speaker 2: you actually no longer own your own land, and if

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Speaker 2: you try to drain it, you're gonna get fined thousands

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Speaker 2: of dollars a day. Well, you won't find that in

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Speaker 2: any congressionally passed law. You will find that in the

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Speaker 2: EPA deciding it's in its own way. And this is

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Speaker 2: just an example. So if you know, for some reason

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Speaker 2: there is some EPA law lets them do this, but

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Speaker 2: you know, you can see how they will extend their

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Speaker 2: mandate far beyond what is actually written down. Now, this

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Speaker 2: kind of makes some sense in the context of if

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Speaker 2: you have, say a federal agency that's dealing with minor

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Speaker 2: stuff that's you know, almost like a more of a

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Speaker 2: clerical issue. All right, it shouldn't have to get handled

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Speaker 2: by the courts because there's so many agencies. Maybe that's

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Speaker 2: the problem, and so many different laws already that it's

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Speaker 2: meant to streamline things. And so the Supreme Court had

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Speaker 2: essentially decided that there should be deference given, deference given

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Speaker 2: to the federal interpreter, federal agency interpretation of statute. The

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Speaker 2: the case that's before them that was heard today. The

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Speaker 2: oral arguments have to do with a fisherman who had

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Speaker 2: to pay This is for the national like fisheries. I

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Speaker 2: can't even remember. By the way I used to live

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Speaker 2: in the world of acronyms, there are four hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty federal agencies and other regulatory agencies, which is think

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Speaker 2: about that versus did you think about that? I just

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Speaker 2: dim laughing because I'm trying to picture people understanding the

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Speaker 2: way that regulatory agency power exists and how the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court is going to make decisions about that, and how

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Speaker 2: difficult it is to explain why this is so important

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Speaker 2: in a way that grips immediately everybody's attention, because this

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Speaker 2: is so nuanced and complicated that it's hard to distill

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Speaker 2: it into a sentence or two. But this, this is

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Speaker 2: the possibility that we have for the administrative state to

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Speaker 2: be gutted. So it's because the plan. I agree on

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Speaker 2: this point. It's very possibly important here, depending on how

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Speaker 2: it goes. It's a it's a momentous case, but it

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Speaker 2: gets way down into the functioning of the bureaucracy. And

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Speaker 2: you know this is uh, this is where the oh,

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Speaker 2: the fishermen. Sorry, I was looking for this, the magnuson,

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Speaker 2: the magnuson Stephen's Fishery Conservation and Management Act. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: now this is getting real the MSA, We're getting real

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Speaker 2: deep into it. This has passed back in nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: six to stop overfishing. Okay, but what it's meant is

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Speaker 2: that now the MSA is able.

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Speaker 3: To just come up with all these rules.

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Speaker 2: And the rule that brought this case specifically was fish

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Speaker 2: monitors of these guys, make sure that you're doing all

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Speaker 2: this stuff you're supposed to do in the fish of

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Speaker 2: the appropriate size, someything else, and the boats have to

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Speaker 2: pay for them clay.

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Speaker 3: So that's the part. So they're saying, hold on.

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Speaker 2: A second, Congress never passed a law that I have

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Speaker 2: to pay for a fishery management agent to be on

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Speaker 2: my boat making sure I don't break actual laws or regulations.

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Speaker 2: This is the Supreme Court case, and so what the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court has to look at is is this even fair?

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Speaker 2: So there's a due process component to it. Is it

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Speaker 2: a usurpation of judicial authority? Because the judiciary should be

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Speaker 2: making these determinations, not a federal agency when it comes

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Speaker 2: to statute. And there are a couple of other things

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Speaker 2: we can get into, but anyways, I think that basically

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Speaker 2: gets to it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The way I would sum it up is if you

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Speaker 1: believe the United States government has become overloaded with bureaucracy,

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Speaker 1: I think you're correct.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Vivik said that I would

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Speaker 1: agree with, and we saw Elon Musk do it with

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Speaker 1: X slash Twitter, is I really think I think Elon said, sorry,

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Speaker 1: the Vike said he would fire seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: all federal employees. That sometimes said, but I think that

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Speaker 1: could occur and we wouldn't lose any actual efficiency because

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Speaker 1: our tax dollars go to pay a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who don't do anything right. But what happens is here,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think how to explain it easily. Congress

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Speaker 1: decides that they are going to implement a law and

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Speaker 1: then they put a regulatory agency basically in charge of

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Speaker 1: implementing that law. And the question that is being examined

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Speaker 1: is how much deference has to be given, and I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking generally, not about this case in particular, how much

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Speaker 1: deference has to be given to the administrative state to

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Speaker 1: be able to manage the delegation of authority that Congress.

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Speaker 3: Gave to an agency.

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Speaker 1: Now that might sound complicated because it is really kind

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Speaker 1: of nuanced, but effectively, the way to think about it,

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Speaker 1: Buck is if you're upset about what one of these

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Speaker 1: agencies is doing, they are saying they derive their authority

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Speaker 1: from Congress. What the courts are trying to examine is

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Speaker 1: how much deference do these agencies deserve relative to where

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Speaker 1: their power designation comes from. And how challenging is it

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Speaker 1: if you're a citizen out there who feels like there

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Speaker 1: is no way to address the power hungry administrative state

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Speaker 1: that is deciding effectively to make law without the authority

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Speaker 1: to do so and potentially without effective judicial review. Now

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Speaker 1: that may be complicated, but that's the essence of what

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Speaker 1: is at stake here, and really what the court are

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Speaker 1: examining is how much control should we have over decisions

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Speaker 1: that are being made by the administrative state. It's a

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Speaker 1: separation of powers examination. And if you are listening right

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Speaker 1: now and you're like, man, that sounds really interesting, you

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Speaker 1: should go to law school because this is the kind

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Speaker 1: of thing that you spend a lot of time sitting

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Speaker 1: around debating as it pertains to separation of powers in

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Speaker 1: our current government. Right, and so the big issue is

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Speaker 1: that our government's become far too large and gets involved

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Speaker 1: in regulating far too many things. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: that's what most people out there would agree with. That's

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Speaker 1: absolutely true. But also you have unaccountable agencies that are

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Speaker 1: making things that aren't elective law, that are not held accountable. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so if you don't like the EPA's interpretation, and

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Speaker 1: this all rests on the whole Chevron deference principle rests

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Speaker 1: on a reasonable interpretation of statute, Well, guess what the

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Speaker 1: federal agencies, which are overloaded with left wing authoritarian democrats,

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Speaker 1: have done. They've taken entirely unreasonable interpretations of statutes. The

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court actually had to strike down the EPA's ability

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Speaker 1: to monitor CO two emissions, right, I mean, these are

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Speaker 1: the kinds of things now if the EPA can monitor

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Speaker 1: CO two emissions. The EPA is effectively, you know, god

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Speaker 1: king of our economy, like it can run everything. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing that is beyond it. It's remitted, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's where you start to see. And people that

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Speaker 1: have dealt with any federal agency and any of these

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Speaker 1: regulations understand that. You know, there's this tremendous frustration because

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Speaker 1: you're being held legally responsible to obey things that are

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Speaker 1: really just the whim of bureaucrats working in an agency

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Speaker 1: that are only created via congressional action in the first place.

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Speaker 1: And if Congress has not spoken on something, you should

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Speaker 1: not be held to account civilly and criminally in some cases,

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Speaker 1: I might add, I mean this is part of the

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Speaker 1: big over criminalization of federal law. So okay, we did it.

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Speaker 1: We went there the Chevron doctor Chevron deference. If this

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Speaker 1: is overturned, it's.

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Speaker 2: A huge deal within the federal government, and it will

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Speaker 2: mean that you will have a i think, a restoration

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Speaker 2: of both legislative and judicial prerogative and constitutional separation and accountability.

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Speaker 2: And that's a good thing. It's a nerdy case with

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Speaker 2: enormously beneficial implications. If they overturn this. They're gonna argue

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Speaker 2: starry decisis. You know, it's already been decided, but you

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Speaker 2: know you can always argue story decisives and these kinds

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Speaker 2: of things. That doesn't that doesn't hold water.

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Speaker 1: This I think has the potential to be the most

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Speaker 1: consequential year of Supreme Court rulings, maybe in related to

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Speaker 1: the election cases that are going to be playing out

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Speaker 1: as well. And in fact, when we come back, Buck, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna set the table because the third hour, Joe Manchett

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Speaker 1: is starting to flirt with the idea of running. Now

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Speaker 1: that it appe years that Trump and Biden are both

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Speaker 1: going to be at least locked in for the spring

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Speaker 1: as the presumptive candidates of the Democrat and Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: How many third parties are there going to be and

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Speaker 1: how much of that is going to implicate who ends

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Speaker 1: up winning this election. I'm not hearing a lot of

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Speaker 1: discussion about the third party angle. We've talked about the

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Speaker 1: motivations of Aroon, DeSantis, Nikki Haley, how that's going to

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Speaker 1: play out in New Hampshire as we sit six days out.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think one of the most important aspects

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Speaker 1: of this race is also going to be decided in

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Speaker 1: the near future, and it is this how many of

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Speaker 1: these third party candidates are going to dive in and

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Speaker 1: what is that going to do to the overall vote

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Speaker 1: totals in general.

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Speaker 3: We'll discuss that next.

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Speaker 1: You can also weigh in as always eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: two A two two eight A two and Senator Tommy

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Speaker 1: Tuverll is going to join us in the third hour,

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Speaker 1: so that is going to be the only guest for today.

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Speaker 1: And I want to tell you as we roll in

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Speaker 1: coming towards the end of the second hour of the program,

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Speaker 1: We've got really good work that's being done by Hillsdale College.

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Speaker 1: They are helping to hook up so many people out

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Speaker 1: there who want actual, reliable education for their kids. And

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Speaker 1: the work that these guys are doing at Hillsdale, over

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Speaker 1: and above the university itself, is pretty incredible. Right now,

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Speaker 1: they have got Americans between the ages of eighteen to

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Speaker 1: thirty are likely to reject patriotism compared to people who

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Speaker 1: are older. How did that happen? Why are they making

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Speaker 1: this choice? Hillsdale's examining it. And look that Hillsdale's just

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Speaker 1: one college, but they've got a voice. They invest in

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Speaker 1: a curriculum for charter schools nationwide, and they offer aspects

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Speaker 1: of their on campus teaching and online courses. In fact,

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Speaker 1: this week you're likely to hear their Constitution minutes on

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Speaker 1: our program. If you'll love history and you're trying to

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Speaker 1: get your kids into it, Constitution minutes, bite sized gyms

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Speaker 1: that'll get them hooked. We're proud to have Hillsdale on

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Speaker 1: board with us again this year, particularly with their Constitution minutes.

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Speaker 1: If you missed the minutes, you can hear them on

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Speaker 1: our website where we will be posting them for you.

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Speaker 1: Clayanbuckfour Hillsdale dot com. That's Clayanbuck for Hillsdale dot com.

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Speaker 1: One more time, Clayanbuck forour Hillsdale dot com. Check it

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Speaker 1: out today once more. Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Glad, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you joining us. We are joined now by Senator

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Speaker 1: from Alabama, Tommy Tuberville. We got a bunch to dive

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Speaker 1: into with you, but I want to start with this

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard you comment on it too much,

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Speaker 1: but you coached against Nick Saban, most legendary, I think,

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Speaker 1: dynastic college football coach of all time. What was your

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Speaker 1: reaction when you saw Sabin announced that he was stepping down.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, guys, that's to be on. It wasn't really shocked.

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Speaker 4: I think that he and I have talked quite a

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Speaker 4: bit about the NIO over the last two years. He's

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Speaker 4: very disappointed in the direction that college football and college

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Speaker 4: sports are going. I think you could just see that

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Speaker 4: Nick is one of those that he has to control

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Speaker 4: the football team. He has to have total control. And

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Speaker 4: what the NIL does. It takes control out of the

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Speaker 4: hands of the head football coach and coaches. It gives

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Speaker 4: it more back to the players, right or wrong. So

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Speaker 4: he's kind of outgrown his time. You know, those of

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Speaker 4: us that are came up in an era where it

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Speaker 4: was all about discipline, education and pulling the team together.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. But now that money

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Speaker 4: has got involved, which right or wrong, it's there to stay.

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Speaker 4: It's different, and it's different for people, especially people like Nick.

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Speaker 4: So I wasn't surprised. I thought he might go into

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Speaker 4: the year two. But uh, you know, he made the decision.

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Speaker 4: He's got a lot of business deals going on all

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Speaker 4: across the country, and I'm sure he's don't get involved

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Speaker 4: in that now.

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Speaker 2: I support the Senator's analysis on this, and I would

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Speaker 2: just throw in there, Senator Tuberville, if you would tell

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Speaker 2: me a little bit about you know, we got a

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Speaker 2: lot of conversation going on with the border and what's

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Speaker 2: going on in terms of the Biden administration and what's

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Speaker 2: being done. You've introduced the no VA Resources for Illegal

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Speaker 2: Aliens Act. Tell us about what this would do and

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Speaker 2: what what kind of a problem is this right now

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Speaker 2: for the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the border is the biggest crisis

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Speaker 4: going that that's happened in our lifetime, within our with

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Speaker 4: with within our country, We've got a lot of problems

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Speaker 4: and we're going to continue that problem. But what's happening

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Speaker 4: at the border is devastating to the inner workings of

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Speaker 4: our constitution, the people, the taxpayer, sitiens in this country.

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Speaker 4: Here's a problem that we've got. They just want actor

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Speaker 4: another they crop in our VA is very important. We

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Speaker 4: have nineteen million veterans across our country, which we owe

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Speaker 4: every debt in the world too. They deserve the best

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Speaker 4: healthcare in the world. Now, we have the biggest healthcare

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Speaker 4: system in the world, called the Veterans Administration. It is

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Speaker 4: being funded by the taxpayers. It's very expensive. Nine million

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Speaker 4: of the nineteen million veterans actually participate in the VA

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Speaker 4: because there's very long lines. A lot of them that

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Speaker 4: don't need the VA, they use their own insurance, they

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Speaker 4: go to other hospitals. Well, because the lines are so long,

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Speaker 4: we've started what we call community care systems across the

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Speaker 4: country in the rural areas, basically where a veteran doesn't

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Speaker 4: have to drive two hours to a VA that's the

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Speaker 4: closest to him. Well, since the border has been opened,

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Speaker 4: the Bide administration has decided to use these community care

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Speaker 4: systems in the rural areas for illegal immorrants, and so

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Speaker 4: the prioritized is kicking our veterans to the end of

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Speaker 4: the line. Money is being used from the Veterans Administration

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Speaker 4: that's supposed it is supposed to be used on the

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Speaker 4: vets being used on illegal immigrants. It is wrong. The

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Speaker 4: Biden administration knows what's wrong, but they can't handle it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we can't handle all these illegals in the country.

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Speaker 4: It's crashing our health system, or education system, our economic system.

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Speaker 4: We spent billions of dollars and it's only getting going

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Speaker 4: to get worse.

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Speaker 3: Senator, you have spent a lot of time I think

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Speaker 3: over the years.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think we've asked you about this with

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin, who is for Democrats, quite sane. He was

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Speaker 1: on Fox News this morning talking about the situation at

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Speaker 1: the border. As you just said that, I think Joe

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Speaker 1: Manchin described it as a disaster. But he's not going

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Speaker 1: to run for reelection. Based on your knowledge of Joe Manchin,

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Speaker 1: do you think he runs as a third party presidential candidate,

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Speaker 1: throws things into a bit of an uproar there or not.

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Speaker 1: How would you assess his political future?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to Joe several times a week. We

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Speaker 4: actually did this in Io bill that we're trying to

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Speaker 4: get pushed on the floor of the Senate. It's not

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Speaker 4: gonna happen as long as Chuck Humor is there, because

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Speaker 4: they want to unionize all the athletes, which would be

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Speaker 4: a total disaster. But Joe understands. He's one of the

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Speaker 4: same Democrats that actually understand the borders out of control.

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Speaker 4: We've got to do something. Is he gonna run? I

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Speaker 4: think there's a good chance he could run in that

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Speaker 4: no name league or whatever they call it. Yeah and.

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Speaker 3: League. I like that, Yeah, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: He's traveled every weekend. He's going to somewhere. I know

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Speaker 4: he's talking a lot of big money people behind the scenes. Uh,

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Speaker 4: he can't win. I think that. Uh. I don't know

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Speaker 4: what his alternative motive is behind it. He knows that

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Speaker 4: Trump's gonna be hard to beat. I actually think if

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Speaker 4: he does run, it will help President Trump. I think

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Speaker 4: it will take some Democrats away from whoever's running on

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Speaker 4: the Democratic side. But I think again, Joe and I

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Speaker 4: were good friends. Matter of fact, he you know, he

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Speaker 4: grew up with Nick Saban, played on the same high

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Speaker 4: school football team his dad, Nick's dad was their coach,

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Speaker 4: and so they're very very close. We talk a lot

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Speaker 4: about about sports. But uh, you know, I think Joe

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Speaker 4: will probably run, and I think he'll be a detriment

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Speaker 4: to the Democratic side if he does.

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Speaker 1: What would what would you tell Nick Saban if he

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Speaker 1: came to you and told you he was thinking about politics.

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Speaker 4: Uh, I don't think, you know, I think he'd probably

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Speaker 4: good at it because anything he does, he's gonna do

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Speaker 4: at a one hundred percent. Uh. But you know, you got

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Speaker 4: to have patience for politics. Uh. Nick is one of

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Speaker 4: those guys. He's nervous and you know he he he's

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Speaker 4: used to control. And that's one thing I fear when

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Speaker 4: you come. I mean, you can control a lot of things,

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Speaker 4: but you're only one vote out of one hundred. Uh.

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Speaker 4: He was the only vote at Alabama for a long

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Speaker 4: long time time that counted. So it's and as I said,

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Speaker 4: that's one of the reasons I think that eventually it

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Speaker 4: forced him to make the decision because he wouldn't the

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Speaker 4: only vote when the nil came in. The players have

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Speaker 4: a lot more power than they normally did. Not that

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Speaker 4: it's not good, It was just that's just the way

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Speaker 4: he and I grew up. And when you start losing

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Speaker 4: control like that, it just puts you in a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Joe Biden's going to be the nominee

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Speaker 1: We're talking to sitting here, Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. It

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Speaker 1: seems pretty clear that Trump's going to be the Republican nominee.

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Speaker 1: Big thirty point win. As you know, on Monday of

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Speaker 1: this week looks like he's gonna win New Hampshire. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that Biden's gonna actually be the nominee.

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Speaker 4: I don't. I can't imagine him being the nominee. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's gotten worse. He doesn't spend any time now in Washington.

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Speaker 4: D c's either Camp David or in Delaware. He hasn't

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Speaker 4: done a White House function all this new year, which

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Speaker 4: is what three weeks or so. He's not a funk president.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's not not somebody that's hands on. I

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Speaker 4: think he's letting all the service behind the scenes run

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Speaker 4: everything and just go. It showed you the other day.

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Speaker 4: Number one, let's talk about the military. I'm on the

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Speaker 4: Armed Services. You know that balloon flew across the country.

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Speaker 4: They didn't tell him for four days that there was

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Speaker 4: a balloon from China flying over Alaska entering the United States.

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Speaker 4: It took four days from the tell of the President

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Speaker 4: of United States, Hey we've got a little problem here.

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Speaker 4: So that's a slap in the face. Then another slap

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Speaker 4: in the face for five days. It took the Secretary

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Speaker 4: of Defense to call his boss and say, let's know.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I know, we've had several bombings in

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Speaker 4: the last two or three days. I'm in ICEEU, I'm

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Speaker 4: not at work. You might ought to get somebody else

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Speaker 4: to pull the trigger on making decisions in the military.

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Speaker 4: So that's another slap in the face. He is not

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Speaker 4: running the show, and I think people are starting to

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Speaker 4: understand that more and more. They got to find somebody

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Speaker 4: to run. They're gonna run out of time. But I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you know President Obama. You know he's the guy

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Speaker 4: that's basically running the show right now. Looking for somebody

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Speaker 4: to put in there in the last minute. But I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's gonna work. I think what the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Party's done to our border and to our foreign relations

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Speaker 4: is absolutely devastated our country, and even Democrats are gonna

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Speaker 4: vote for the only guy that can make it better,

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Speaker 4: and that's Donald Trump, because yes he's a horse's butt,

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Speaker 4: but we need one in Washington, DC right now that

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Speaker 4: tell these black job crazies up here what to do,

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Speaker 4: when to do it, get out of the way. This

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Speaker 4: is how we're gonna make things better for the American

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Speaker 4: citizens in our country.

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Speaker 1: I know you've got a good relationship with Trump. Last

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Speaker 1: question for you, if he came to you and he said, Tommy,

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Speaker 1: who do you think the VP should be? Who do

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Speaker 1: you think the vice president that would make the most

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Speaker 1: sense for Trump would be? Have you given it much thought?

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Speaker 4: You know, not really I've ever striped with people. I'd

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Speaker 4: like to see it pick, but I don't. President Trump

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Speaker 4: is the type of person a vice president canna do. Whoever,

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Speaker 4: it's not gonna help him. I mean, I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: going he's got his people. You know, he's gonna have

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Speaker 4: eighty million people it's gonna vote for him or more.

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Speaker 4: I think this just go around if it's fair. The

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Speaker 4: last one wasn't fair. We won't get into that. But

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Speaker 4: I think we'll have a much fair election. I think

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Speaker 4: people are really disappointed in what's going on in the

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Speaker 4: last three years. And but I think, you know, Ben Carson,

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing his name a lot. I'm not talking to

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Speaker 4: President about it. I pay off with him a lot.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to get in that conversation because he's

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Speaker 4: got enough on his plate. He's gonna have people pushing him.

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Speaker 4: But I just hope that, you know, he gets somebody

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Speaker 4: that you know, can take the reins over after he's

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Speaker 4: out after four years, because this is our last chance,

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Speaker 4: he's got to win. If he doesn't win the country,

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Speaker 4: as you and I know, it is gone, it's over with.

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Speaker 4: We can't stand another I don't know whether we can

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Speaker 4: stand another ten twelve months of this. It is absolutely

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Speaker 4: out of control. But we got to have somebody that

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Speaker 4: can pick up the rains after he's out in four years,

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Speaker 4: that can continue home with what he's going to do

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Speaker 4: get this country back on the right track.

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Speaker 3: Senator Tuberville, No, you're busy.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time, Appreciate you coming on with us, and

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Speaker 1: congratulations to all the Auburn fans out there to not

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Speaker 1: have to go against Nick Saban anymore.

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Speaker 3: I know that's been a big win for you guys

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Speaker 3: to start the year.

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