WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Foot rubs, Dateline and Finding God

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, June tenth. Testimony underway

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<v Speaker 1>as we speak on what is now officially the fifth week,

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<v Speaker 1>day twenty in the Ditty trial. Welcome to this episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Amy and TJ. We continue to be your one

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<v Speaker 1>stop every day to get you all caught up. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>Robes is one of the most anticipated days in the

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<v Speaker 1>trial with one of the most anticipated witnesses who will

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<v Speaker 1>undergo a highly anticipated cross examination. So all that's going

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<v Speaker 1>on supposed to in court today, but rose before we

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<v Speaker 1>even got to some testimony. We've seen this a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times. There was some housekeeping and some pretty important

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<v Speaker 1>and even entertaining at times housekeeping they had to do

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<v Speaker 1>in court this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think many of you who've been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>us will recall that Diddy's lawyers asked for a second

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<v Speaker 2>time for a miss trial, and the judge gave the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution and yesterday to come back with its response to

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<v Speaker 2>this mistrial quickly. To sum up, the defense says that

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<v Speaker 2>because the prosecution put Brianna Bunglin on the stand and

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<v Speaker 2>she claimed that did he dangled her off that seventeenth

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<v Speaker 2>floor balcony on a day that he was actually in

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<v Speaker 2>New York and not in la and had been in

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<v Speaker 2>New York days before and days after that. The prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>should have known that it was impossible and should never

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<v Speaker 2>have put her on the stand, and therefore should the

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<v Speaker 2>trial should be over. The judge disagreed, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>awesome what the judge said when he denied the defense's

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<v Speaker 2>request for a miss trial. He did give them a nod.

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<v Speaker 1>And he should have. Look, this was a look they

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<v Speaker 1>have been. They've done a decent job in the crossing.

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<v Speaker 1>They're doing their job in cross examinations of all the

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses so far. This was a moment that all of

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<v Speaker 1>us said, Holy hell, how did you miss? That? This

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<v Speaker 1>had been the centerpiece. So much of her testimony is

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she said, this guy, this bad guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this monster, on this terrible night, beating down the door,

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<v Speaker 1>he comes in and he grabs me, lifts me up,

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<v Speaker 1>he tosses me on furniture, he lifts me over the balcony.

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<v Speaker 1>She was specific September the twenty six, twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll probably never forget that date. You've said it so

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<v Speaker 2>many times.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the one she's DoPT with. How can

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<v Speaker 1>you put this important witness on the stand and then yes,

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<v Speaker 1>did the attorneys presented an actual, real, physical, literal receipt

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<v Speaker 1>showing he wasn't just in New York that day, but

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<v Speaker 1>almost a whole week the days surrounding. How can they

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<v Speaker 1>make that mistake?

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<v Speaker 2>He was on tour, so it wasn't really that hard

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out. Yes, that's the other thing. I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>he was on tour, Yes, so those dates would have

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<v Speaker 2>been readily available. So anyway, what the judge said to

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<v Speaker 2>the defense was, well, it was a real Perry Mason

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<v Speaker 2>moment for you guys, but not grounds to toss the case.

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<v Speaker 2>But he did give the defense team a compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was kind of cool. He said, look here,

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<v Speaker 1>you got them. You got them on this one. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna give a mistrial, but yeah, you won that

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<v Speaker 1>round exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing, Alexandra Shapiro, one of Diddy's attorneys,

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<v Speaker 2>asked the judge if she could go on record to

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<v Speaker 2>state that the government should never have called Brianna Bunglein

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<v Speaker 2>to testify to that specific event. And she did that

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<v Speaker 2>because she's, as most people would point out, legal experts

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<v Speaker 2>who are much smarter than me on these types of moments,

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<v Speaker 2>was doing that potentially to set up grounds for an appeal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was I mean, what a moment in

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<v Speaker 1>this trial. And again another mistrial. This is twice within

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<v Speaker 1>the three weeks. Has it been that they asked for

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<v Speaker 1>another mistrial? You think, what's going on? What's going on? Look,

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<v Speaker 1>a case this complicated, certainly won this high profile. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>surprised we haven't had more emotions for mistrial. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just what they do. You take your chance, why not?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not? And see what happened. So we probably haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen the last. But he had to handle that this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something that else going on this morning that at

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<v Speaker 1>least the folks who are in the room, the reporters

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<v Speaker 1>are in the room kind of scratching their heads about.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't figure out. There was a big powow yesterday between

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<v Speaker 1>the attorneys and the judge and the judges chambers. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>exactly knew what that was about. They've come out today

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<v Speaker 1>now ropes and they're talking about apparently a juror in

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<v Speaker 1>particular is being talked about or discussed. The defense wants

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the juror. The prosecution doesn't know is what

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<v Speaker 1>we know at this point. But this is a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>juror and what's the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we will hopefully find out at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, Diddy's legal team wants to keep the juror

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<v Speaker 2>in the trial. Prosecutors say they want more time to

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<v Speaker 2>investigate the juror. So we're not exactly sure what that

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<v Speaker 2>means for now the juror is going to stay in place,

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<v Speaker 2>but certainly there could be another announcement about that and whoever. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we are listening to reporters who are in the courtroom

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<v Speaker 2>and they say the whole courtroom was buzzing with conversation

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out which sure what it could be about,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody knows. And they said that Diddy himself seemed

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<v Speaker 2>very engrossed in the conversation with his defense attorneys after

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<v Speaker 2>they were huddling.

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<v Speaker 1>How many alternates do they have? They usually do about six,

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<v Speaker 1>don't they?

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<v Speaker 2>They get me somewhere around that they have plenty to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if they need to get rid of this juror for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever fairness, they have plenty who've been sitting in and

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<v Speaker 2>listening to everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You could step in, step right in, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>point of having alternates. Folks, you know, wouldn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go through this whole process, then you lose one jur

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<v Speaker 1>and then have to start this thing over again. So

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<v Speaker 1>they got some standbys, but we don't know what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on with this juror, in particular now to the actual testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some fresh testimony this morning that's going on again. Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a Jane Does testifying under that pseudonym robe.

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<v Speaker 1>She's one of four alleged victims that the government is

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<v Speaker 1>really building their case on. She got on the stand

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<v Speaker 1>last Thursday, and she has been under direct examination up

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<v Speaker 1>until now, so the cross examination is starting. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into her full day of testimony, which wrapped up yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to give folks now the highlights kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what we've heard so far this morning, which once again

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<v Speaker 1>continues to.

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<v Speaker 2>Amaze yes, because it has me torn. We'll go over

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<v Speaker 2>all of the unbelievable details that she testified to on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>But today, with the defense having their opportunity to show

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<v Speaker 2>a softer, kinder side of Diddy and their relationship, it's

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<v Speaker 2>making you have mixed feelings, which is exactly what they're

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<v Speaker 2>hoping the jurors will feel like. But she talked about

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<v Speaker 2>how Diddy was her baby, how she liked to give

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<v Speaker 2>him foot rubs. I mean some of that is intimate,

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<v Speaker 2>but also interesting that there mostly was good times.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sweet. Yes, we don't hear any every day,

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<v Speaker 1>so we do this podcast every day. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>describing anything about him that someone would deem sweet. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he liked foot rubs. His favorite show. Are they gonna Dateline?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know if they want to, but yes,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Diddy's favorite show was Dateline.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's going to work in a promo.

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<v Speaker 2>Dateline Diddy loves us, Dateline will be doing a story

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<v Speaker 2>about Ditty when all but it was okay, he's just

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<v Speaker 2>like us, That's what.

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<v Speaker 1>They want us to think. He's just like us.

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<v Speaker 2>He likes to watch murder in the evenings. We like

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<v Speaker 2>murder in the mornings. How different are we? A lot?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, a lot please after everything we've heard.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, that's what.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to do. They're humanizing him, they're normalizing their relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to give jurors a fuller picture of what

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<v Speaker 2>their relationship was actually like.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, folks, that we as we're talking to you here,

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<v Speaker 1>you have heard so much and read so much about

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<v Speaker 1>this Ditty trial. Now listen to this. The woman on

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<v Speaker 1>the stand right now testifying at the behest of the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 1>so essentially testifying against Ditty is on the stand and

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<v Speaker 1>this morning talked about this is the man that reintroduced

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<v Speaker 1>her to religion.

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<v Speaker 2>That was another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the man who got her back into religion

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<v Speaker 1>connected with God. This is the guy, she says, would

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<v Speaker 1>watch sermons on TV. They would do this together and

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<v Speaker 1>have robes insightful conversations about life, love, and religion. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>She also talked about the fact that I believe they

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<v Speaker 2>did have the receipts, and she said that sounded about right.

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<v Speaker 2>That over the course of their relationship, he's given her

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<v Speaker 2>around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He encouraged her

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<v Speaker 2>business ambitions. She apparently had a clothing venture. He invested

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars into that. He put forty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>onto her apartment, first and last month's rent and a

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<v Speaker 2>security deposit. And he also was paying for her legal

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<v Speaker 2>fees throughout all of this. So they're showing him being

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<v Speaker 2>this generous provider and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Was in his best interest. The legal fees, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot of the lawyers and what she needed

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<v Speaker 1>was essentially to protect her. She was essentially right robes

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<v Speaker 1>on his side up until last when that video came out,

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<v Speaker 1>and when and Cassie's lawsuit came out. This woman, which

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<v Speaker 1>we should not, has not sued him in civil court

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<v Speaker 1>and says she does not plan to. But when all

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<v Speaker 1>of that stuff was going on, she was still fully

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<v Speaker 1>in a relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds as though they weren't out of a relationship

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<v Speaker 2>until after he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, until last September, and she didn't get she was

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<v Speaker 1>not cooperating with the government. The government didn't have her

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<v Speaker 1>as a part of their case until after the raids

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<v Speaker 1>and Cassie's stuff took place, so she wasn't a part

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<v Speaker 1>of them building a case against them until after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>She essentially sitting up there as a woman, as horrific

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<v Speaker 1>as it is, is someone who seems to be in

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<v Speaker 1>his camp.

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting, though, is that to me makes all of

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<v Speaker 2>her damning testimony that much more credible and believable, because.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to be here. I love and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that today I love him. She was asked

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<v Speaker 1>how she felt about does she still love him today

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<v Speaker 1>on the stand this morning, folks, this woman who went

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<v Speaker 1>through all that horror that's been described says she loves

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<v Speaker 1>this man.

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<v Speaker 2>And that makes her so credible to me and I

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<v Speaker 2>think to the jury. So I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to work. It seems like that would actually work

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<v Speaker 2>against Ditty because what she testified to was horrific, which

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get into in just a second, but

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<v Speaker 2>to know that she still loves him, and this was

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that was a little bit troubling for me

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this morning. So Jane talked about the love

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<v Speaker 2>contract that she had with Ditty, and that's where she

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<v Speaker 2>was being paid I believe ten thousand dollars a month

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<v Speaker 2>for doing freak offs in exchange for freak offs. So

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<v Speaker 2>they actually have audio exchanges back and forth from Ditty

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<v Speaker 2>and Jane where Ditty says, got your contract, find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>a nice little spot, meaning an apartment, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>said that he was addicted to Jane. He said to her,

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<v Speaker 2>you are the crack pipe. That's my new name for you,

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<v Speaker 2>crackpipe or should I call you CP. But what Jane

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<v Speaker 2>responded to in her own voice in this audio message

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<v Speaker 2>in real time was this yay to your contract, I

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<v Speaker 2>am dying at your voicemail crackpipe is so real for

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<v Speaker 2>the both of us. It's definitely mutual. And her voice

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<v Speaker 2>was described as giddy by those who heard the audio message.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't sound like coercion.

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<v Speaker 1>So in your last breath almost you said that it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds more credible because she is talking about how much

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<v Speaker 1>she loves them and doesn't want to be there so right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>on one hand, that makes all of her stories more credible.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have any reason to come up here and lie.

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<v Speaker 1>But then on the other hand, when you hear that

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<v Speaker 1>she was happy and excited, it sounds like a woman

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to be there experiencing all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>What does a juror do with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I am my head is spinning right now, because let's

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<v Speaker 2>go over some of what Jane testified to on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the really hard to even listen to and

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<v Speaker 2>get your head around to stimony that is in complete

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<v Speaker 2>contrast to this loving sweet foot rub nights, watching Dayline,

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<v Speaker 2>listening to your pastor in the morning. I can't put

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<v Speaker 2>those two things together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Yeah, Monday was a that was a rough

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<v Speaker 1>day of testimony. I mean, we've heard a lot throughout

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<v Speaker 1>from Mia who's the pseudonym as well, but then Cassiventurifine

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<v Speaker 1>for several days and all of their stories. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>not agree this way? Jane testify to reading Cassie Venturafines lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>She says she was reading her own story. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe the details in this.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, she almost painted it's her life.

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<v Speaker 1>Right there, somebody else experienced and she had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>She thought she was the only one. She thought she

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<v Speaker 2>was the only one who was enduring this to try

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<v Speaker 2>and hope for a relationship with him, for all loving

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<v Speaker 2>life with him, and realized, oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just on repeat. I'm just the next person, the next

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<v Speaker 2>girl to go through this. But she you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>pointed this out we were talking. It doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>in their three and a half year relationship Jane and

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<v Speaker 2>Ditty's that he ever physically assaulted her until this past summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, she hasn't testified about assaults. She hasn't about him

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<v Speaker 1>forcing himself on her at any point either. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>been a matter of the free costs and corrosion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But the assault she described on Monday was horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>That she was at her place and she was hoping

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<v Speaker 2>for a romantic night with him. She had candles everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>all over the house. She brought up a younger woman

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<v Speaker 2>who she heard rumors about that Diddy might be seeing

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<v Speaker 2>on the side, and they got into a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's important the date is important. This was in

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<v Speaker 1>June of last year, folks, So June of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>she was still dating this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost exactly a year ago, with a week to spare

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<v Speaker 2>June eighteenth, twenty twenty four, she said. When they got

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<v Speaker 2>into the fight because this woman, I guess was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years younger, she called Diddy a pedophile because she

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<v Speaker 2>was angry. Through a candle, she pushed his head on

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<v Speaker 2>a marble countertop. So she admits that she started the physical.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, this was They spent a lot of time talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this incident on the stand, and it's a unbelievable, horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a horror movie night where someone is

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<v Speaker 1>literally running from somebody trying to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>That they turned into a dateline episode, like actually.

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<v Speaker 1>She did this was absolutely this is nuts. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>about now, to your point, she said, she unloaded on

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<v Speaker 1>him she got the worst of it, but she admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to being violent, which included, like you said, set him

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<v Speaker 1>off by calling him that name. She says, all this

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<v Speaker 1>been pent up anger of hers came out. She's throwing candles.

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<v Speaker 1>There's wax all over the place. But yes, at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>he was kind of leaning on a marble countertop, and

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<v Speaker 1>she took his head and pushed it and slammed it

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<v Speaker 1>down on that marble countertop. She admitted to all this. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>but this sounded like full on fisticuffs between two grown,

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<v Speaker 1>equal sized folks, not a man woman fighting like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Because as she's telling him, I hate you, I

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<v Speaker 2>hate you, I hate you, she said, she was repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>saying that to him. She ran to the master bedroom

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<v Speaker 2>and hid in a closet. He broke down the doors

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<v Speaker 2>of the bedroom. She tried to run out of the bedroom.

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<v Speaker 2>She said he kicked her in the back of the leg.

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<v Speaker 2>She fell, and then he said he put her in

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<v Speaker 2>a chokehold. She punched. He punched her back. She had bruises.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she had a black eye. She said, he

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<v Speaker 2>started punching my head. He started kicking me. He started

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<v Speaker 2>saying all types of things, and she said, he told

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<v Speaker 2>her to Well, this is when she ran out of

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<v Speaker 2>the house, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>This fight is going on. She goes to a closet,

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<v Speaker 1>gets away from him. Eventually, like you described, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>she got out of the choke hold. She gets runs outside.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where she lives now, and she's hiding somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>She's hiding outside for two hours, she said, two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping he would leave, assuming he would be gone when

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<v Speaker 1>she got back. But she got back, he was still

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<v Speaker 1>in there.

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<v Speaker 2>He was still in there, and you know what he

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<v Speaker 2>said to her, put some ice on those bruises and

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<v Speaker 2>put on an outfit, meaning some lingerie because he had

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<v Speaker 2>already called a male escort to show up, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>now you're going to perform for me after that horrific beating?

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<v Speaker 1>Was this Anton? I think they even have the male essay.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Anton.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Anton.

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<v Speaker 1>But she said when she came back, as she was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get cleaned up, he was still assaulting her

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<v Speaker 1>while she was in the shower. He was smacking her

0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.200
<v Speaker 1>while she was in the shower. Now, it's one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you hear this story, the fight, How horrific that is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the first time, right, We've heard a story

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<v Speaker 1>where it combined two of the horrors until one night

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<v Speaker 1>like back to back, allegedly beat somebody and then allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>put somebody through a free cough back to back same night.

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<v Speaker 2>I and I know with all of those horrible details,

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<v Speaker 2>one stood out to me that maybe doesn't seem like

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<v Speaker 2>that big of a deeal to you, but as a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, Oh, that's so painful. She's upset. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing starts because she's she thinks that he might

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<v Speaker 2>be seeing a younger girl on the side while he's

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<v Speaker 2>got her pinned down. This is what she testifies to.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets that girl, she's in her twenties, on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone and starts having the girl hurl insults at Jane, like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you're so upset that the guy you love you

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<v Speaker 2>think is seeing someone, and now that girl is on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone throwing shade on you. Talk about just inflaming

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<v Speaker 2>your emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand that. I didn't understand why that was Wow, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't what are people on? I mean, I suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that's extra met Yeah, I didn't understand. Again, the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who did that is the same guy who got her

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<v Speaker 1>into religion and watched sermons with her on television.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get my head around that when he's.

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<v Speaker 1>Supposed to do that. And this is the date here

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<v Speaker 1>is very important again, June eighteenth of last year, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four is when this happened. A month earlier, Diddy

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten on social media and made an apology video

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<v Speaker 1>about the Cassie Ventura Fine surveillance video that had come out.

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<v Speaker 1>Promised to be a better person, promised to be a

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<v Speaker 1>better man. I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna do better.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that to the world. A month later, he

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<v Speaker 1>was beating the hell out of this woman, according to

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<v Speaker 1>her testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And that is when she this was in a

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<v Speaker 2>text she sent him. Correct when she said I am

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<v Speaker 2>not an animal. Oh yeah, she sent this text. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>These are real time texts. So again we were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about this in yesterday's episode. How much more effective they

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<v Speaker 2>are in the sense that you're not recalling something, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not misremembering something or adding something to it that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really happen. This is exactly where she was in that time.

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<v Speaker 1>She writes to Ditty, I don't have the date on

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<v Speaker 1>this one because it is important, but just know this

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<v Speaker 1>was until you. You made this very good point. This

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<v Speaker 1>is better than testimony because this is stuff she wrote

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<v Speaker 1>while she had no idea this was going to go public,

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<v Speaker 1>no idea that she was going to be called to testify.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one you read from her yesterday. I was

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<v Speaker 1>really powerful. But if anybody's listening to the sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>our voices, now stop for a moment and listen to

0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this quote that Robot's about to give you, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just guts you. Sometimes even worse than hearing some of

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<v Speaker 1>the details of a freak off of details of a beat.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so that's just this is a tough one

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<v Speaker 1>the stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is from Jane writing this to Ditty. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not an animal. I'm not a porn star. These experiences

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.600
<v Speaker 2>are desensitizing sex for me. My spirit and my soul

0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.679
<v Speaker 2>is tired. I need a break. I can't be used

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<v Speaker 2>like this anymore. I wanted to make you happy, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's creating a war inside me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you almost feel your heart crying when

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you hear that. No woman was pleading with this man.

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<v Speaker 1>Just please te like she's just saying I need a break, right,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to break up?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, she doesn't want to break up a break

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<v Speaker 2>She does not want to break up. She wants more

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.879
<v Speaker 2>foot rubs and Dateline Friday nights, you know, that's what

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.920
<v Speaker 2>she wanted. And candles and champagne maybe, and not ecstasy

0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.479
<v Speaker 2>and multiple male escorts. That's a very different experience. And

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.359
<v Speaker 2>she was even with him as late as August correct

0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.359
<v Speaker 2>last year in Miami. That's what she testified to and

0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:28.360
<v Speaker 2>she said, yes, she once again had sex with another

0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.720
<v Speaker 2>guy in front of ditty. She said he only wanted

0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:33.199
<v Speaker 2>to have sex with her after she had sex with

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<v Speaker 2>these men.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has their kink, everybody has their thing, everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is they're into. Not here to judge any

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<v Speaker 1>of that, but it is different to hear. I mean,

0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that's just some stuff I don't used to hearing now.

0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I used to hearing on a day in, day out.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard anything like this before. And we watch

0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 2>horror movies, and we watched Dateline, and we watch a

0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of these true crime shows. I haven't heard heard

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<v Speaker 2>anything like this before in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to all that appears, be hearing more

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 1>about it for the next couple of days. She's expected again.

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.280
<v Speaker 1>You remind me she's the one that's supposed to have

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a trip on Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, so they are trying

0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>to get done with her in all this testimony. By

0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>certainly she has to take a flight. Is it really

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<v Speaker 1>just are they saying it's a vacation. They say they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't said an international flight.

0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.919
<v Speaker 2>But I know that the defense said I read this

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<v Speaker 2>that they believe they had two days of cross examination.

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's got to be redirect, doesn't I I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how long will that take? A half? It seems like.

0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she could move her flight twenty four hours. It's

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of important, but we'll see what happens. How much

0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that plays into her availability? And do you have the

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:44.399
<v Speaker 2>option to say you're not available.

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're just trying to accommodate her, you know, it's

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to be nice. This is difficult enough. Probably maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>and we should notice. Well I didn't think of it

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<v Speaker 1>until now. There was an expert that testified on the

0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>mindset the behavior of abuse victims. I can't remember her name.

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<v Speaker 1>I think was Hughes. Testified a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 1>for the prosecution. But she was up there to kind

0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>of explain how and why a victim might not leave

0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 1>their abuser. The prosecution has asked to bring her back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They want her to testify again after Jane Judd said no,

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<v Speaker 1>that actually makes.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge said no, just said no, Oh wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>can see why they would want to.

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<v Speaker 1>But they would want to come back and try to

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<v Speaker 1>get her to explained Nope, you don't get that option

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<v Speaker 1>to do that again. So yeah, I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>to your point. I saw you react on your faith. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what that's interesting. So they feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>some point they need to make that they're missing after

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<v Speaker 1>Jane's testament, we'll just have to remind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours of what she testified to in their closing statements. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to thank all of you for listening and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to continue to put out these podcasts every

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<v Speaker 2>day as long as there is a juicy update, and

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, there have been no shortage of those so far,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for listening to us on this rainy Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>but we will be back with more, so stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>for that. Have a wonderful day, everybody,