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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, June tenth. Testimony underway

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Speaker 1: as we speak on what is now officially the fifth week,

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Speaker 1: day twenty in the Ditty trial. Welcome to this episode

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Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. We continue to be your one

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Speaker 1: stop every day to get you all caught up. Today,

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Speaker 1: Robes is one of the most anticipated days in the

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Speaker 1: trial with one of the most anticipated witnesses who will

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Speaker 1: undergo a highly anticipated cross examination. So all that's going

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Speaker 1: on supposed to in court today, but rose before we

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Speaker 1: even got to some testimony. We've seen this a couple

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Speaker 1: of times. There was some housekeeping and some pretty important

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Speaker 1: and even entertaining at times housekeeping they had to do

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Speaker 1: in court this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think many of you who've been listening to

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Speaker 2: us will recall that Diddy's lawyers asked for a second

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Speaker 2: time for a miss trial, and the judge gave the

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Speaker 2: prosecution and yesterday to come back with its response to

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Speaker 2: this mistrial quickly. To sum up, the defense says that

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Speaker 2: because the prosecution put Brianna Bunglin on the stand and

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Speaker 2: she claimed that did he dangled her off that seventeenth

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Speaker 2: floor balcony on a day that he was actually in

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Speaker 2: New York and not in la and had been in

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Speaker 2: New York days before and days after that. The prosecution

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Speaker 2: should have known that it was impossible and should never

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Speaker 2: have put her on the stand, and therefore should the

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Speaker 2: trial should be over. The judge disagreed, but it was

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Speaker 2: awesome what the judge said when he denied the defense's

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Speaker 2: request for a miss trial. He did give them a nod.

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Speaker 1: And he should have. Look, this was a look they

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Speaker 1: have been. They've done a decent job in the crossing.

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Speaker 1: They're doing their job in cross examinations of all the

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Speaker 1: witnesses so far. This was a moment that all of

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Speaker 1: us said, Holy hell, how did you miss? That? This

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Speaker 1: had been the centerpiece. So much of her testimony is

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Speaker 1: the fact that she said, this guy, this bad guy,

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Speaker 1: this monster, on this terrible night, beating down the door,

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Speaker 1: he comes in and he grabs me, lifts me up,

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Speaker 1: he tosses me on furniture, he lifts me over the balcony.

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Speaker 1: She was specific September the twenty six, twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: You'll probably never forget that date. You've said it so

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Speaker 2: many times.

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Speaker 1: But that was the one she's DoPT with. How can

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Speaker 1: you put this important witness on the stand and then yes,

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Speaker 1: did the attorneys presented an actual, real, physical, literal receipt

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Speaker 1: showing he wasn't just in New York that day, but

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Speaker 1: almost a whole week the days surrounding. How can they

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Speaker 1: make that mistake?

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Speaker 2: He was on tour, so it wasn't really that hard

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Speaker 2: to figure out. Yes, that's the other thing. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 2: he was on tour, Yes, so those dates would have

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Speaker 2: been readily available. So anyway, what the judge said to

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Speaker 2: the defense was, well, it was a real Perry Mason

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Speaker 2: moment for you guys, but not grounds to toss the case.

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Speaker 2: But he did give the defense team a compliment.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of cool. He said, look here,

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Speaker 1: you got them. You got them on this one. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna give a mistrial, but yeah, you won that

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Speaker 1: round exactly.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing, Alexandra Shapiro, one of Diddy's attorneys,

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Speaker 2: asked the judge if she could go on record to

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Speaker 2: state that the government should never have called Brianna Bunglein

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Speaker 2: to testify to that specific event. And she did that

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Speaker 2: because she's, as most people would point out, legal experts

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Speaker 2: who are much smarter than me on these types of moments,

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Speaker 2: was doing that potentially to set up grounds for an appeal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was I mean, what a moment in

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Speaker 1: this trial. And again another mistrial. This is twice within

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Speaker 1: the three weeks. Has it been that they asked for

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Speaker 1: another mistrial? You think, what's going on? What's going on? Look,

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Speaker 1: a case this complicated, certainly won this high profile. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised we haven't had more emotions for mistrial. This is

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Speaker 1: just what they do. You take your chance, why not?

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Speaker 1: Why not? And see what happened. So we probably haven't

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Speaker 1: seen the last. But he had to handle that this morning.

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Speaker 1: There's something that else going on this morning that at

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Speaker 1: Can't figure out. There was a big powow yesterday between

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Speaker 1: exactly knew what that was about. They've come out today

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Speaker 1: particular is being talked about or discussed. The defense wants

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Speaker 1: to keep the juror. The prosecution doesn't know is what

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Speaker 1: we know at this point. But this is a mystery

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Speaker 2: I know we will hopefully find out at some point,

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Speaker 2: investigate the juror. So we're not exactly sure what that

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Speaker 2: but certainly there could be another announcement about that and whoever. Well,

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Speaker 2: we are listening to reporters who are in the courtroom

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Speaker 2: and they say the whole courtroom was buzzing with conversation

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out which sure what it could be about,

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Speaker 2: but nobody knows. And they said that Diddy himself seemed

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Speaker 2: they were huddling.

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Speaker 1: How many alternates do they have? They usually do about six,

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Speaker 2: They get me somewhere around that they have plenty to Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if they need to get rid of this juror for

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Speaker 2: whatever fairness, they have plenty who've been sitting in and

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Speaker 2: listening to everything.

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Speaker 1: You could step in, step right in, and that's the

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Speaker 1: point of having alternates. Folks, you know, wouldn't want to

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Speaker 1: go through this whole process, then you lose one jur

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Speaker 1: they got some standbys, but we don't know what's going

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Speaker 1: on with this juror, in particular now to the actual testimony.

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Speaker 1: There was some fresh testimony this morning that's going on again. Jane.

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Speaker 1: She is a Jane Does testifying under that pseudonym robe.

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Speaker 1: She's one of four alleged victims that the government is

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Speaker 1: really building their case on. She got on the stand

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Speaker 1: last Thursday, and she has been under direct examination up

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Speaker 1: until now, so the cross examination is starting. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into her full day of testimony, which wrapped up yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We want to give folks now the highlights kind of

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Speaker 1: what we've heard so far this morning, which once again

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Speaker 2: Amaze yes, because it has me torn. We'll go over

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Speaker 2: all of the unbelievable details that she testified to on Monday.

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Speaker 2: But today, with the defense having their opportunity to show

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Speaker 2: a softer, kinder side of Diddy and their relationship, it's

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Speaker 2: making you have mixed feelings, which is exactly what they're

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Speaker 2: hoping the jurors will feel like. But she talked about

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Speaker 2: how Diddy was her baby, how she liked to give

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Speaker 2: him foot rubs. I mean some of that is intimate,

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Speaker 2: but also interesting that there mostly was good times.

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Speaker 1: It was sweet. Yes, we don't hear any every day,

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Speaker 1: so we do this podcast every day. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: describing anything about him that someone would deem sweet. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he liked foot rubs. His favorite show. Are they gonna Dateline?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if they want to, but yes,

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Speaker 2: apparently Diddy's favorite show was Dateline.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to work in a promo.

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Speaker 2: Dateline Diddy loves us, Dateline will be doing a story

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Speaker 2: about Ditty when all but it was okay, he's just

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Speaker 2: like us, That's what.

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Speaker 1: They want us to think. He's just like us.

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Speaker 2: He likes to watch murder in the evenings. We like

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Speaker 2: murder in the mornings. How different are we? A lot?

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Speaker 2: A lot, a lot please after everything we've heard.

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Speaker 1: But yes, that's what.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to do. They're humanizing him, they're normalizing their relationship.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to give jurors a fuller picture of what

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Speaker 2: their relationship was actually like.

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Speaker 1: Again, folks, that we as we're talking to you here,

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Speaker 1: you have heard so much and read so much about

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Speaker 1: this Ditty trial. Now listen to this. The woman on

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Speaker 1: so essentially testifying against Ditty is on the stand and

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Speaker 1: this morning talked about this is the man that reintroduced

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Speaker 2: That was another thing.

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Speaker 1: This is the man who got her back into religion

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Speaker 1: connected with God. This is the guy, she says, would

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Speaker 1: watch sermons on TV. They would do this together and

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Speaker 1: have robes insightful conversations about life, love, and religion. Wow.

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Speaker 2: She also talked about the fact that I believe they

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Speaker 2: did have the receipts, and she said that sounded about right.

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Speaker 2: That over the course of their relationship, he's given her

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Speaker 2: around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He encouraged her

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Speaker 2: business ambitions. She apparently had a clothing venture. He invested

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars into that. He put forty thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: security deposit. And he also was paying for her legal

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Speaker 1: Was in his best interest. The legal fees, I mean

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Speaker 1: was essentially to protect her. She was essentially right robes

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Speaker 1: on his side up until last when that video came out,

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Speaker 1: and when and Cassie's lawsuit came out. This woman, which

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Speaker 1: we should not, has not sued him in civil court

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Speaker 2: It sounds as though they weren't out of a relationship

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Speaker 1: Yes, until last September, and she didn't get she was

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Speaker 1: not cooperating with the government. The government didn't have her

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Speaker 1: She essentially sitting up there as a woman, as horrific

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Speaker 2: What's interesting, though, is that to me makes all of

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Speaker 2: her damning testimony that much more credible and believable, because.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to be here. I love and

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Speaker 1: she said that today I love him. She was asked

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Speaker 1: on the stand this morning, folks, this woman who went

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Speaker 2: And that makes her so credible to me and I

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Speaker 2: think to the jury. So I don't know if that's

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Speaker 2: going to work. It seems like that would actually work

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Speaker 2: against Ditty because what she testified to was horrific, which

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into in just a second, but

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Speaker 2: to know that she still loves him, and this was

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Speaker 2: one thing that was a little bit troubling for me

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Speaker 2: listening to this morning. So Jane talked about the love

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Speaker 2: contract that she had with Ditty, and that's where she

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Speaker 2: was being paid I believe ten thousand dollars a month

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Speaker 2: for doing freak offs in exchange for freak offs. So

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Speaker 2: they actually have audio exchanges back and forth from Ditty

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Speaker 2: and Jane where Ditty says, got your contract, find yourself

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Speaker 2: a nice little spot, meaning an apartment, and then he

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Speaker 2: said that he was addicted to Jane. He said to her,

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Speaker 2: you are the crack pipe. That's my new name for you,

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Speaker 2: crackpipe or should I call you CP. But what Jane

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Speaker 2: responded to in her own voice in this audio message

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Speaker 2: in real time was this yay to your contract, I

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Speaker 2: am dying at your voicemail crackpipe is so real for

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Speaker 2: the both of us. It's definitely mutual. And her voice

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Speaker 2: was described as giddy by those who heard the audio message.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't sound like coercion.

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Speaker 1: This fight is going on. She goes to a closet,

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Speaker 2: He was still in there, and you know what he

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Speaker 1: Was this Anton? I think they even have the male essay.

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Speaker 1: But she said when she came back, as she was

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand that. I didn't understand why that was Wow, Like,

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Speaker 2: I can't get my head around that when he's.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to do that. And this is the date here

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Speaker 1: Promised to be a better person, promised to be a

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Speaker 2: Wow. And that is when she this was in a

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Speaker 2: text she sent him. Correct when she said I am

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Speaker 1: She writes to Ditty, I don't have the date on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is from Jane writing this to Ditty. I'm

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Speaker 1: Just please te like she's just saying I need a break, right,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, she doesn't want to break up a break

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Speaker 2: She does not want to break up. She wants more

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Speaker 2: I've never heard anything like this before. And we watch

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Speaker 1: You remind me she's the one that's supposed to have

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Speaker 1: certainly she has to take a flight. Is it really

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Speaker 1: But they would want to come back and try to

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Speaker 1: get her to explained Nope, you don't get that option

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Speaker 1: to do that again. So yeah, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: to your point. I saw you react on your faith. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean what that's interesting. So they feel like there's

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Speaker 1: Jane's testament, we'll just have to remind.

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Speaker 2: Yours of what she testified to in their closing statements. Well,

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