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Speaker 1: it was interesting in a minute. We have done several

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Speaker 2: They could talked about it with Bridget.

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Speaker 1: Even Yes, we've talked about it with Bridget. But there

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Speaker 2: It's true. So if you're all up in the entertainment

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, now I know. I like Mulder and I

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Speaker 1: this is Annie and welcome to Stefan. Never told your

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Speaker 4: on the yearbook staff, if that wasn't already clear to anybody, uh.

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00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: And.

439
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: Because I was on the yearbook staff, we could have

440
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: basically whatever we wanted printed on the front of the

441
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: book instead of our name. And I defin my my height.

442
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 4: My senior year yearbook definitely, says Lauren to Coveney.

443
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: On the cover.

444
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm so happy to have learned this.

445
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: I am very embarrassed. But it's okay. It's just okay,

446
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 4: it's okay. That's fine.

447
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: You know about my first email Nils Angel come on?

448
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: So I love Neo from the Matrix. It's all right.

449
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: Also Neo and Trinity come on.

450
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: It's right there. Oh gosh, you're so right.

451
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah, yeah, so so right.

452
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: So I kind of fell off watching around season six

453
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: to seven. I think partially because like I went to

454
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: school and I didn't have a TV access really anymore,

455
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: but partially because like the show was going through these changes,

456
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: like the first movie had come out between seasons five

457
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: and six, and David Coveney had the show moved to

458
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 4: la they had been previously filming in Vancouver, and just

459
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 4: the whole palette of the show change, and like a

460
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: lot of the crew was different, like I don't know,

461
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: the feel was different, and then yeah, the Coveny took

462
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: time off and they had different characters in there, and

463
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't care about this, which is

464
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 4: sad or I mean it certainly was at the time,

465
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: like it kind of broke my heart.

466
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you love something so much and then it's

467
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: just it either because you don't like the how it's

468
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: going anymore, it's just move on. It's sad, I hear you.

469
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: I watched all of it. I was definitely sad when

470
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: David Ducopany left.

471
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love Robert Patrick, who played agent Doggett,

472
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 4: who stepped in as a skeptic to Scully's believer.

473
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, interestingly, Yes, Oh my gosh, I did want to.

474
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: Tick your brain about some plot point stuff because oh gosh, Okay,

475
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: just a couple of specific things, because, like I said,

476
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: you have been watching stuff, and I my memory, even

477
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: though I've watched it all, I have very specific, clear

478
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: memories of certain things and nothing else. Sure. Yeah, but

479
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: one of the big things I do remember is the

480
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: pregnancy arc with Scully, and you know, there was like

481
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of a real life thing going on as well.

482
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So what happened with this was in season five,

483
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 4: it's revealed that Scully had had a baby while she

484
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 4: was alien abducted. Back in season two during the episodes

485
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 4: Dwayne Berry and Ascension, which are two of the episodes

486
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 4: that I just watched. Oh gosh, research this is like

487
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: extra nerdy for me.

488
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: I love it. You're in a good place.

489
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: But but right, the whole abduction thing was written in

490
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: because Jillian Anderson was pregnant in real life and she

491
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: had to go have a baby. In the episode leading

492
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: up to this, like her coats keep getting bigger, and

493
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 4: like her costumes keep getting Billowyer.

494
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: And like yeah, and then and then she had she

495
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: she goes, she has the baby.

496
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: She's off the show for like maybe like one episode,

497
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: and then she comes back and you know, the plot

498
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: of this is that she's coming back from being from

499
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: having disappeared for a period of time, and she's like

500
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: lying in a hospital and I swear to heck, they

501
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: must have like built up her boobs to like hide

502
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: the pregnancy stomach, like and because because she's a slight

503
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 4: little lady, yeah, and those booms are huge. I mean

504
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: it could be it could be her milk could come in.

505
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.

506
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't there, but it definitely looked hilarious. Okay, anyway,

507
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: uh yeah, so so so right, so they bring in

508
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 4: this this this plot arc in season five. It turns

509
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 4: out that the baby had been adopted out, and then

510
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: I think the child died.

511
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 3: Shortly after that.

512
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 4: Scully is at the time pronounced infertile, but then definitely

513
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: has a baby in season eight, some kind of like

514
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: miracle baby that I guess has psychic powers.

515
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 3: I didn't watch that part. I don't know.

516
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: I guess it's I guess it's Moulder's child. I thought

517
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: it was, but then I thought it was an alien chap.

518
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's all.

519
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: Maybe it's both.

520
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, she has that smallpox

521
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 4: be alien thing going on, so she could have weird

522
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: DNA in there.

523
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

524
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: I don't know her life.

525
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: That's true. I actually am fascinated, and I want to

526
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: come back to at some point the depiction of pregnancy

527
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: and horror.

528
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I love this. I love this. I

529
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: will come back and talk about this literally anytime. I

530
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: love so much that like the one admittance that we

531
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: get from dudes in Hollywood that being female might suck,

532
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: is all of these horror pregnancy troops.

533
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, anyway, in every horror you're like, oh pregnant,

534
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: oh no, oh no.

535
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: Or when like a dude is pregnant in whatever way,

536
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: like an alien or something like that.

537
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: How completely horrifying.

538
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: It's it's horrifying, yes, exactly, exactly, well another day. Yeah,

539
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: but something else you mentioned that I didn't pick up

540
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: on when I was watching this is how Scully is

541
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: kind of depicted as a foil. There's other women that yeah.

542
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so okay, so so like the principal cast of

543
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: the show is really like Scully and a bunch of dudes.

544
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: It's basically all dudes and Scully. But like, like there's

545
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: there's lady characters in like episode to episode, and and

546
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: I remember them all being you know, if anyone has

547
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: watched more of it more more recently than me, like

548
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: check me if I'm wrong, but I remember them always

549
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: being written as like people like imagine that like whoa,

550
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: I know, right, you know, like occasionally episodes would be

551
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: center around yeah, like like using speculative fiction to create

552
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: metaphors around lady issues of one kind or another, which

553
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 4: we're probably a little bit too on the nose, but yeah,

554
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: but that's okay.

555
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

556
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: Certainly one one standout side random lady character for me

557
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: is doctor Bambi Barrenbaum, the name alone, who is an entomologist. Okay,

558
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying the right one. It's bugs, not words. Yeah, entomologist, yes, great,

559
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: and yeah she her parents were both naturalists. That's why

560
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: she has the name Bamby. Oh okay, okay, but she

561
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: is this lovely, kind of bucksome woman who Molder meets

562
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: in one of my favorite episodes, Where Are the Copper

563
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: Pages in season three, and he has he's he has

564
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: a total crush on her.

565
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: He's like goofy, hard eyes.

566
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, the whole thing, the whole thing, And

567
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: she's talking about cockroaches and he hates bugs and like,

568
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: so it's very funny but like but like also like

569
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 4: Scully is like trying to get a whole with him

570
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: while he's trying to get his game on. And at

571
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: one point he just answers the phone and goes like

572
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 4: not now and hangs it right back.

573
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

574
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: So when Scully finally meets her, like Scully is very snippy,

575
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: which I which I didn't, which I get, was like funny,

576
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: but I don't appreciate the writing if I hate the

577
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: trope of like ladies hate other ladies, especially when there's

578
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: a love interest possibly involved, right, especially because they were

579
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: not even in a relationship at that point. Except in

580
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 4: my mind, right, oh my gosh, we're going to talk

581
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: about this in the shipping part.

582
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: But I feel like that's yeah, that's what are you

583
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: doing at that point?

584
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, come on, But that was that was the thing,

585
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: like like that I was certainly noticing going back through,

586
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: Like they start acting like an old married couple pretty

587
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 4: much immediately, and certainly when she gets abducted in season two,

588
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 4: like it is clear that Mulder would kill or die

589
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: for this lady, Like he is just completely it's sort

590
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: of like a Zara fl In Crowley and yeah.

591
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's so.

592
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: Again, Lauren, you have you. I'm so glad you're here

593
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: because you're bringing such knowledge to it because I, like

594
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want listends will be hearing me

595
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: and be like, what, she doesn't know anything about this.

596
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it all, but I think I was

597
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: just too young, oh sure to pick up on a

598
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: lot of it. But uh, that is definitely interesting that

599
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: they were already especially since Chris Carter, as we already said,

600
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: was saying I didn't want a romantic relationship, and then

601
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: it seems like.

602
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also like it's so difficult to you know,

603
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: you have two attractive people together, and I think the

604
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: reaction is like, oh, they're in a relationship. Yeah, especially

605
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 4: if it's if it's two people who are supposed who

606
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: are like attracted to that sex a person right for

607
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: that desert yeah, right, and so like so like, part

608
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: of it is just that we have so few examples

609
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: in media of people who aren't in relationships, So people

610
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: who are just friends and who that is a sustained

611
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 4: long term friendship. Yes, which is borked. That is completely silly.

612
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: That happens in real life so many times.

613
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, And I've been talking about this too, because

614
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: since I'm not into romance, I identify as grace sexually

615
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: as sexual. Uh, I don't know why I'm always looking

616
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: for romance and stuff like why is this happening? I

617
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: don't even like it. Yeah, but but it feels like

618
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: we've made it into a more important relationship absolutely than

619
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: a friendship. And that should be it shouldn't know, but

620
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: oh my goodness that we're we're almost getting to the

621
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: shipping part of this.

622
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 4: We are, we are, we are. One other lady that

623
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 4: I wanted to point out from the show is starting

624
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: in season four, there was a lady informant. We had

625
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 4: previously had uh a deep roat and mister X and

626
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: now this lady informant came in.

627
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: By the name of Marita.

628
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 4: Core core cor corvit nikes, Yes that's her name.

629
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: It's Russian.

630
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: But she was just like very ice cream stereotype and

631
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 4: so and so. She was also in contrast with Scully

632
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: being so much goofier and warmer, and like, yeah, fans

633
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: hated her, hated or yeah, well this is.

634
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean, going back to your point, is she's the

635
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: only woman in the show. I feel like every other

636
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: woman that comes on is going to be pitted against

637
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: her totally, which is we've talked about that before. Shouldn't

638
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: be the case that like there's one spot and then

639
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: everyone everyone has an enemy.

640
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: Of Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Like if your entire principal cast

641
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: is white and then you necessarily only have room for

642
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 4: black people to be a villains, and it's just like

643
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 4: that is so wrong. Why is this a thing? Yes, oh,

644
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 4: Supernatural and Buffy, what the heck were you doing?

645
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: Anyway? Yes, anyway. One of the reasons I really wanted

646
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: to talk about this is because since it's the thirtieth anniversary,

647
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of headlines about how the

648
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: X Files shaped the Internet.

649
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and this is actually not a thing that

650
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 4: I realized until you, until you brought it to my attention.

651
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's wild how much of an impact it had.

652
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: And again, as I said, with fan fiction, this is

653
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: a this is a space that has a lot of women,

654
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of queer people, a lot of them marginalized

655
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: people in it because perhaps they're not represented and the

656
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: thing they're watching or the thing they're enjoying. So I

657
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: wanted to go into a couple of those things and

658
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: talk about our maybe experiences with that. But one of

659
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: the big things is communities like fan communities online. And

660
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: when the show came out in nineteen ninety three, that

661
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: was when a lot of us in the United States

662
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: were getting access to the Internet regularly for the first time.

663
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: It might not have been good.

664
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no.

665
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: That that was definitely during dialogs. Oh yeah, that that

666
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 4: modem sound lives in my brain forever.

667
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my.

668
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's the sound of nightmares younger listeners. You don't know,

669
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: you don't even know. But the interesting thing too, I

670
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: was thinking about this is that kind of dovetails with

671
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: how I feel like the Internet allowed a lot of

672
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: these like here's this picture of Bickfoot, here's this like,

673
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: oh sure, it kind of proliferated a lot of things

674
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: that the X Files was talking about.

675
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, And I mean and right right, it really

676
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 4: made possible because previous to that, like anyone who is

677
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 4: who was talking about those kind of mysteries and real

678
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: world lore and fringe theories like had to do it

679
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 4: by zine and and like mail and you know, and

680
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 4: so you might you might write letters back and forth.

681
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: But the Internet let people connect like that. It did,

682
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: I mean not instantly, like you had to go make

683
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: a cup of coffee while page loaded.

684
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: But I would take a shower later it might beloaded,

685
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: who knows, but yeah, it really did. And that is

686
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: part of what shaped our Internet as it is. So

687
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: people who loved the X Files called themselves x files

688
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: p h I l e Yep, yep.

689
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: That is a moniker that I fied by.

690
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah to hear about jeez. So here's

691
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: the quote from CNN about this. Oh my gosh, yes,

692
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Dann wrote about it. The show's peak popularity in the

693
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: mid to late nineties coincided with the proliferating use of

694
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: the Internet, where fans self proclaimed X Files gathered to

695
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: debate theories and behind the scenes gossip while posting fan fiction,

696
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: fan art and more.

697
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: Oh wow, this is from a twenty twenty three article. Yes,

698
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: this is from like recently.

699
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I'm telling you, Lauren, there's a reason we're

700
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: talking about this.

701
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: That's great.

702
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, like like in addition to I really

703
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: do think it dovetailed with the internet because the show

704
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 4: lent itself to fandom so much, because it raised so

705
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 4: many questions and did involve all of these mysteries and

706
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: little pieces of lore and bits of canspiracy, and you know,

707
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: like it was a little less niche and and sexier

708
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 4: than other NERD dramas of the era, like like Star Trek.

709
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 4: The next generation like people who would not be caught

710
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: dead watching Star Trek, right, thought X Files was cool.

711
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Right, And I think part of that was maybe they'll

712
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: get together. I mean, I mean, which Liza's defand fiction.

713
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: As you know, I love to talk about listeners. I

714
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: am shocked. I never read X Files fan fiction.

715
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: Really.

716
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you know what I started on?

717
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 4: What? Oh god, wow, Wow, you are younger than me.

718
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 4: That's great, that's bonkers.

719
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

720
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 4: I was probably like Sailor Moon and the X Files

721
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: were two of my earliest Like.

722
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: Was there some good X Files fans? No? But it

723
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: filled me?

724
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: It did?

725
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: It?

726
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 4: Did?

727
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: I definitely.

728
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever wrote any particularly like I

729
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 4: did write a class assignment like that featured Molder because

730
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: you had to like describe someone in detail. So I

731
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: was like, I can do that and it's not a

732
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: real person. So I'm not going to insult anybody.

733
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: That's great.

734
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I wasn't into the writing part

735
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: at that point.

736
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I should check it out because it's I'm sure

737
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: still there. I'm positive it is and the community is

738
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: still there. I wrote a lorther Rings fan fiction and

739
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: I had a friend read it and she was like,

740
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: they kissed for four minutes. I was like, is that

741
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: not normal? She was like no, and then I didn't

742
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: post it all. No, it was good.

743
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: Well I'm sorry that you were discouraged, but I'm glad

744
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 4: that it was for good reasons.

745
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I just love that she was like no.

746
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but but like definitely, I yes, Like

747
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: I it was clear to me and all of my

748
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 4: friends that Moulder and Scully wanted.

749
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: We're yeah, we're gonna get together.

750
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: We're gonna get together.

751
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

752
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: I was rooting for it for a very long time

753
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: until it happened, and.

754
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: Then I was mad, Oh, I can't wait to talk

755
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: about it. Yes. So my friend who discouraged me from

756
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: posting this fan fiction, she also was a huge She

757
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: was the same one I listened to the phone with.

758
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: She was like, they're gonna get together. She was giving

759
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: me all these clues and like see this look and

760
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: all of these things. I was like, oh, I don't know.

761
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: As I've said many times, the X Files was one

762
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: of the first large fan fiction communities online, and uh

763
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: it was so big that uh the Scotland Yard investigated

764
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: because they thought that it was a cult and perhaps

765
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: they should feed.

766
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, I mean sort of a cult. They did

767
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 4: not need to intervene.

768
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: No one knows like they looked intensely at each other,

769
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: Which brings us to shipping at last. Yes, you can

770
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: see our episode for shipping we did recently for more

771
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: about this. But shipping or relationshipping is what it sounds like.

772
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: It can look a million different ways anyway you can imagine,

773
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: but it's essentially putting people or peoples into a relationship.

774
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: Or not canonically.

775
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and even in real life people. Oh yes,

776
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: that creeps me out, but yes, that does happen. And

777
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: it involves often like fan works, uh, fan fiction, music

778
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: and art videos. Sure, like a community around like again,

779
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: did you see this look? Or did you see this?

780
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? And and very right and especially with the internet,

781
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: very immediate and very intense.

782
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, And they are also anti shippers, I would

783
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: I was going to say, or no romos, but I

784
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: actually think they're different. Okay, So anti shippers, I would say,

785
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: are somebody who are like I don't want this ship

786
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: to happen and I hate this ship. I would say, no,

787
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: romos are more like I just don't want romance. Okay,

788
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: all right, that's my experience again. You can listen to

789
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: our shipping episode where we talked about how that went

790
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: really wrong on Tumblr. But uh oh yeah, but the

791
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: in either case, they can be just as passionate as

792
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: shippers and like, I really don't want this to happen.

793
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: And some of the earliest on my no romos felt

794
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: like they lost when Moulder and Scully their relationship became canon.

795
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: They were like, oh, this war. Yeah, we have a little.

796
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 4: Yes, I have been defeated by their smooches.

797
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

798
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, As it turns out, like I guess, I just

799
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 4: wanted the unresolved sexual tension.

800
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I does.

801
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: That's what I enjoyed. I didn't actually want it to

802
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: happen on the show I liked.

803
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I liked the tension, right, So I talked about this

804
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: in our shipping episode. Sometimes I think you can ship something,

805
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: but by shipping it, you don't actually want it to

806
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: ever happen, right, You kind of just like the idea

807
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: of what it might be.

808
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

809
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: Absolutely, mm hmm.

810
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: And also there are plenty of examples of yes, when

811
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: the ship becomes canon, it did not go how you too?

812
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: Oh oh that too?

813
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: That too?

814
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: Absolutely like, which is one of the purposes of fan

815
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: fiction is to you know, like eat something that that

816
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 4: that the way that you would do it.

817
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: And once once you've done that, then you can be setting.

818
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 4: Yourself up for failure in terms of like what actually

819
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: comes next and what the creators choose to do.

820
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I would also say there are and

821
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I would put myself in this category there multi shippers

822
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: like I could just ship like oh yeah, sure them. Yeah, great,

823
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: sounds nice.

824
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah right, that's fun. Yeah yeah.

825
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: I don't have a particular attachment a lot of the time, right,

826
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 4: in particular, especially in like a like a team up

827
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: kind of thing.

828
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: Like like an Avengers universe kind of thing like that,

829
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm like.

830
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, whatever, let's see like in a relationship. Yeah cool.

831
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: But I don't ever want it to happen. Usually, I'm

832
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: just kind of like I'm interested.

833
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: Yeah right, right, you could read it that way, you

834
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 4: can read it this other way.

835
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: Interesting. It's like a fun little science experiment, right, It's just.

836
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: Like that's going to go. Yeah, But it is interesting

837
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: with the show like Exiles, where you do have like

838
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: in a very heteronormative sense, like this attractive woman attractive man,

839
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: And it was like, but are they are they? Are they?

840
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 4: When?

841
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: When it happened?

842
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so right.

843
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 4: I had literally no idea that the word shipping was

844
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: invented with the X files fandom.

845
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Yes it was. I didn't know that either, Like we

846
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: have been doing it since we've been creating entertainment. But

847
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: the term shipping relationshipping was first us in nineteen ninety

848
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: three in X Files fandom and the fun part of

849
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: this is. It's all online. You can see all these

850
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: old posts. They've been archived.

851
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 4: Oh dear, that makes me suspect that probably some of

852
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 4: my very embarrassing like thirteen year old like like like

853
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 4: fan theories about stuff are out there somewhere.

854
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: The truth posts are out there.

855
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Yes, oh they're great. It is. I recommend looking it up.

856
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, interestingly to me, because shipping has gone mainstream

857
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: now people use it all the time, But at this

858
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: point it was viewed as something strange. People did like

859
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You don't you don't think this

860
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: show was perfect. You're trying to do your own thing.

861
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh you're not a real fan, And there would be

862
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: email attacks, they would get harassed, like it was very

863
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: so some of the posts you'll see were like, hey,

864
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing my shipping thing, but I'm not bothering.

865
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: You, like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like like like you

866
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: can feel however you want to about it. This is

867
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 4: just how I feel exactly, yeah yeah.

868
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: And even some of them said like I don't I

869
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: don't even want it to become a romance show. That's

870
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: like like the last thing I want. Yeah, I just

871
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: am kind of exploring this sure aspect of it.

872
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just saying that they want to bump.

873
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Because I just want to smush their faces.

874
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're both attractive faces that it would look nice. Yeah,

875
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 4: kind of.

876
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Exactly. I did read. I don't know if this is true.

877
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: I haven't really looked into it, but I did read

878
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: that ust unresolved sexual tension, as you said, was also

879
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: from X files. I also, yeah, heard MSR Molder Scully

880
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: romance was the whole term.

881
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't remember that one.

882
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: But sure. And then I want to read this quote

883
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: again from CNN. But there's no denying how much the

884
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: online discourse revolved around the Molder and Scully pairing, whether

885
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: it involved shippers and no Romo's good naturally good naturely

886
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: or in all seriousness flaming each other in online forums,

887
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: or Molder slash Scully fan fiction. Our fan videos set

888
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: to schmaltzy love song.

889
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes, oh yeah, oh dear fan videos man

890
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 4: fan video.

891
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh I would watch them when I was younger. The

892
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: proof I needed. But I also forgot about flaming. Yeah yep,

893
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: oh yes, all right, well, let well we're going to

894
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: get into the impact. But again, just so you know,

895
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: if you're hearing anything around us. You are listening to

896
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you. With Lauren Vogelbaum guest host,

897
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: Thank you so Much, live at the iHeart Podcast Studio

898
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: powered by Bows at the House of Music at iHeartRadio

899
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: Music Festival. It's fun to be talking about the X

900
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Files with all of this going on outside. I wish

901
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: we could showcase what's happening.

902
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty wild.

903
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: There's just people walking by and kind of kind of

904
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 4: kind of waving or just sort of staring, being a

905
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: little bit confused that. Yeah, I'm just talking about my

906
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: unfic feels about modern Scully.

907
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: It feels right, yeah, sure.

908
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Why yeah we are. We are the in the nineties,

909
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: the weirdos that are quarantined from people going to do

910
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: other things. Heck, we did. We did want to talk

911
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: about the impact that this show had and Scully had.

912
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 3: Oh sure, right, because like all right, like like when.

913
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 4: X Files really uh in general, just paved the way

914
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 4: for other genre fiction in television like it like it did.

915
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 4: It did dovetail with the launch of the Sci Fi

916
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 4: Channel in nineteen ninety two, but like without X Files,

917
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 4: I don't think we would have had Lost or Buffy

918
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: or certainly fringe or supernatural or like Rick and Morty

919
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 4: or you know, on and on. It kind of created

920
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: its own genre of what we were talking about earlier,

921
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 4: like long running TV series that have main recurring cares

922
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: and like an overall plot arc ish, but are also

923
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 4: allowed to play from episode to episode within the broader

924
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 4: realm of what genre fiction is or what it can be.

925
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 4: And yeah, like like even in the same episode, sometimes

926
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 4: bouncing from horror to mystery to drama to comedy.

927
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you haven't watched this, listeners like some

928
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: of the episode, they'll stay with you.

929
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, some of them are very hecking upsetting.

930
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: I did not watch Home ever again.

931
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: Yes, that one's well, yeah, we talked about that one.

932
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 4: Did the Bridget episode, right, I think I might have

933
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: watched it, like one other time. I was like maybe maybe, Nope,

934
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: still very upsetting. Nope, still don't like that.

935
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 3: Okay cool?

936
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and that was one of those episodes that

937
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: was like, eh, there's no supernatural part to this one, really.

938
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 3: Just people, just people.

939
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

940
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, that episode got banned from ever being aired again.

941
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: Yep, sure did. Sure, But yeah, I know.

942
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: Like some of the some of the images and some

943
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: of the I still think of that.

944
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 4: There was one episode where Scully got a tattoo and

945
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 4: started tripping out and like there was all of this

946
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: bad stuff happening, and I.

947
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: Still think about that one.

948
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 6: I'm like little, yeah, yeah, and it has had I

949
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 6: was reading a list of like all of the instances

950
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 6: The X Files has appeared in, like songs or other media,

951
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 6: and it's just.

952
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: It's a huge list. They had this really big impact,

953
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: and Scully did too. She people loved her, like, she

954
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: was really critically acclaimed, and she's stuck around. She has

955
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: a Barbie, which I love. She's always on these list

956
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: of iconic heroines that have often inspired other iconic heroines

957
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: in media, and she the legacy of her a lot

958
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: of people, right is she encouraged a whole generation of

959
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: young women, of young girls to think about a career

960
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: in stem, whether they pursued it or not, like yeah,

961
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: just to think like, oh oh yea, I want to

962
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: do that.

963
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: Yeah I can do that.

964
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 4: She's doing that so well, she's so professional and good

965
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: at this job and maybe yeah maybe I could yeah

966
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 4: why not?

967
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And let us talk about that a minute.

968
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: So we did do the episode with Bridget where she

969
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 1: really broke this down really well. So check that out.

970
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: But just just in case, since we're doing kind of

971
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: a like round up of all X files news. Yeah,

972
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: so the skull effect is essentially something that has been

973
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: studied by the GENA. Davis Institute, which I love.

974
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Yes.

975
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Two thousand women they surveyed, they found, quote, among the

976
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: women who are familiar with the character, fifty percent say

977
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: Scully increased their interest in STEM, and forty three percent

978
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: say that they considered working in STEM because of her. Wow.

979
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: Ninety one percent that knew of her said she was

980
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: a good role model and it was great reading the

981
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: stories people wrote, and they were they would talk about

982
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: like just sitting around and watching the show with friends

983
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 1: and being like inspired, Like okay, Lop, maybe I want

984
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: to go do that isnt but so cool.

985
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: It kind of had the opposite effect for me.

986
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 4: I was like, I definitely couldn't do an autopsy. I

987
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: could never do an autopsy in my life. I'm not

988
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 4: going to go into that one.

989
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 3: But but but appreciate still appreciate the role model of course.

990
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's also fair. Sometimes you gotta recognize

992
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: that I could do it, but it's not for me. Yeah, yes,

993
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: and I do love When Jilly and Anderson was asked

994
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: about this, she said, we got a lot of letters

995
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: all the time, and I was told quite frequently by

996
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: girls who were going into the medical world or the

997
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: science world, or the FBI world or other worlds that

998
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: I ranged that they were pursuing those pursuits because of

999
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: the character of Scully. And I said, yay, Oh that's

1000
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: so sweet, isn't it.

1001
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: That's really cool.

1002
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: I love it so much. Oh oh, and that's that's

1003
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: the importance of representation. Representation isn't everything, but it is important.

1004
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: Like if you're watching something as a kid at three am,

1005
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: your huddle, your friends of the TV, you're like, oh,

1006
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,959
Speaker 1: I want to be like her. Oh I could do it, Yeah,

1007
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: she can do it. Like that's important.

1008
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 4: It is important, absolutely, absently. More of that, more of

1009
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 4: that place.

1010
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But this brings us to our final note.

1011
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: And I wanted to put this in here because I

1012
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: love it, but also because Samantha did threaten me if

1013
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't talk about the book. We do mention Scully's

1014
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: pantsuits in Okay, okay, yes, so one thing people love

1015
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: about this character are her pantsuits. Oh yeah, there are

1016
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: tumblrs justus.

1017
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1018
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of the Internet for that.

1019
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.

1020
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so okay, So so if you're if you're

1021
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: unfamiliar with the show, she she was always wearing or

1022
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 4: most of the time, like her professional business attire was

1023
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: these big suits, like these big puffy suit jackets and

1024
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 4: long trench coats and tapered pants and uh. And that

1025
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 4: evolved over time, is style evolved, But yeah, certainly in

1026
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 4: the beginning in nineteen ninety three, it was that very

1027
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: boxy concept of the early nineties. And then as third

1028
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 4: wave feminism really hit pop culture and we started getting

1029
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 4: you know, the Buffy Summers and the share Horowitz's and

1030
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 4: the Spice girls of the world, then you know, like

1031
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: like outfits started changing, and business attire for women started

1032
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: becoming hyper feminine in some ways, and like certainly more

1033
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: sleek but less based on men's wear and less.

1034
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 3: Giant shoulder pads.

1035
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: Right yeah, right, And you can see her the profile

1036
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: we did on Danas Scully for more about that, because

1037
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I do love talking about her pants suits, but they

1038
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: are very popularly a lot of people call it competence

1039
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: core yea and you can trace kind of what you

1040
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: were talking about how her costuming changed and and there

1041
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: is an interesting narrative of like fitting into a male

1042
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: space by wearing more male clothes and then more traditionally

1043
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: male clothes and then moving away from that and what

1044
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: does that mean? But it is fascinating. I'm a big

1045
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: let's talk about cosmetic person.

1046
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1047
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 4: And as a character too, you know, like like she's

1048
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 4: going through all of these changes and she's getting a

1049
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: lot more.

1050
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: She kind of rediscovers.

1051
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: Herself throughout the course of the show.

1052
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: And what she wants that to be and what that

1053
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: can be.

1054
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: Right. I have the most epic shoulder pad. It's a

1055
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 1: dress suit. It's not a pants suit.

1056
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

1057
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: I think it's my mom's, but it might be one

1058
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: of her sisters. Okay, but it's it's magenta goodness and

1059
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: it has roses like embroidered and it is the most

1060
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: like feminine business power dress suit. Wow, you can imagine.

1061
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: That's amazing and I still have it because you do it.

1062
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: You should never let that go. That's that sounds beautiful

1063
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: and very intense at the same time.

1064
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: I word it adds like showlder.

1065
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay for sure.

1066
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 4: So I graduated high school in the year two thousand

1067
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 4: and while this show is still very much a thing

1068
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: and for sure, the like interview suit that I went

1069
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 4: out and bought was a double breasted pinstripe suit.

1070
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: Yes, with it's a Scully suit. That's what it is.

1071
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: That's just what I yeah, oh absolutely, yeah.

1072
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. And I've I've never I've never actually done a

1073
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 4: Scully like a full Scully cosplay, but the.

1074
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: Suit's right there.

1075
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, and we talked about, well, I

1076
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: said I might cosplay as scullyon and I just.

1077
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: Did it, right.

1078
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1079
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 3: It was so sad when I heard that.

1080
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to show up to this

1081
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: and then I was like, but my backpack is minutes

1082
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: from breaking, which it really is.

1083
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, maybe maybe someday.

1084
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we can always just casual cosplay some Scully

1085
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 4: like true, we could just show up to the next

1086
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 4: like work meeting or whatever it is, like it both

1087
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 4: in our.

1088
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: See if anyone realizes what it is, I love that game.

1089
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're good at that game.

1090
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: I am good at that game. It's a strange sense

1091
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: of accomplishment when no one realizes it. Sure, then it's

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Speaker 1: also like appreciation when someone does it's a strange, totally

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Speaker 1: am well, any closing thoughts on the Miles.

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Speaker 4: Lord, you know, uh, it gave us the gift of

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Speaker 4: Jillian Anderson. She did write and direct an episode in

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Speaker 4: one of the later season and I want to say

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Speaker 4: season eight ish maybe, And you know, like, I'm so

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Speaker 4: glad that she's been able to have a lovely career

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Speaker 4: and because I enjoy watching her. It's so fun whenever

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Speaker 4: she's in anything. Yeah, and her British accent is so

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Speaker 4: on point. I think you guys talked about that too,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, yeah, I like, what a what a weird

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Speaker 4: thirty years ago. That's fine, that's great, that's great, that's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: a lot of things Jurassic Park as well. Oh wow, heck,

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Speaker 4: which I also.

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Speaker 1: Got troubled for watching this n It was a risky

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Speaker 1: year for me. Yeah, a lot of groundings happened, I heard. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's fascinating to look back

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Speaker 1: at the impact it's had, especially now, And we didn't

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Speaker 1: know what the Internet was going to be. We share,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's going to become this thing, and the

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Speaker 1: creators didn't know, We didn't know the X Files was

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Speaker 1: going to be such a big part of that and

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Speaker 1: how much it did impact fan communities who are largely women,

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Speaker 1: and then like the Scully the Scully effects, Scully effect.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, that's so cool.

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Speaker 4: That is the coolest thing about this weird genre television

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Speaker 4: show from the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear from listeners if you haven't

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Speaker 1: watched it, Oh my gosh, go and watch it and

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Speaker 1: let us know what you think.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, let us let us know maybe maybe

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Speaker 4: maybe do it in two parts, like let us know

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Speaker 4: what you think it's going to be based on this episode.

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Speaker 4: If you've got all the way through this episode having

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Speaker 4: no I have never watched it, yes, and then the after.

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Speaker 1: The after yes, oh my gosh. If anyone wants to

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Speaker 1: just constantly updated is like what yeah, sorry, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just giving you homework. But yeah, yeah, that would be fabulous.

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Speaker 1: It's great homework, though. It is good. Well, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much, Lauren for guesting on this.

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Speaker 1: This was so fun.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, of course, in this wild environment, we're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to get some pictures.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty weird, yeah, but lovely. Thanks so much

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Speaker 4: to to iHeart and DeVos for having us here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely absolutely If you want to let us know

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Speaker 1: about your X files watching, yes you can. You can

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Speaker 1: email us at Stephanie You mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast

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Speaker 1: or on Instagram and TikTok and stuff Wh've Never Told You.

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Speaker 1: We have a tea public store, and we do have

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Speaker 1: a book oh where we talk about Dana Scully. You

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Speaker 1: can get it at stuff you Should read books dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina, our executive

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Speaker 1: duser Maya, and our contributor Joey. And special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Paul who is here helping us out friend of the

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Speaker 1: show at this event, and thanks to you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Steffone Never Told You's production by Heart Radio. For more

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