1 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: From Media Doors World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: is Kel's We Can Review with Ryan kel Kell and 3 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: now Here's Kel if you're call a couple of episodes back. 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: We talked about a reversal of a Trump era rule 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: that exempted companies from penalties resulting from migratory bird deaths 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: outlined in the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. We used the 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: example of the Gulf bp oil spill and how the 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: fines that came out of that ecological disaster were used 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: to restore marine and coastal habitats well. One of those 10 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: birds from the Gulf oil spill, a brown pelican, made 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: news the other day. This bird was originally found covered 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: in oil in Louisiana. After it was cleaned up, it 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: was shipped to a rehab facility in Georgia and banded 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: with the tag thirty three Z. Eventually it was released 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: in that state. In two thousand ten, the state of 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Louisiana just reported that thirty three Z was just spotted 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: back in the Sportsman's Paradise State, which is a flight 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: of seven hundred miles, and boy are its wings tired? 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Just kidding? Seven hundred miles is a day's work for 20 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: an eight pound bird that has a seven and a 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: half foot wingspan. What's really impressive is a brown pelican 22 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: can swim three miles per hour underwater before it's even 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: old enough to be fully feathered, and it can hold 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: over three gallons of water in its bill. That's a 25 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: triple threat type of bird if you're counting. I'm not 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: saying that taking a single brown pelican from Louisiana to 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Georgia is the premier example of how Migratory Bird Act 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: mitigation dollars have been spent and estimated eight hundred thousand 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: to one million birds were killed across one hundred and 30 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: two species due to direct exposure during the BP oil spill. 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: So focusing on singular individuals is good. Landscape and ecosystem 32 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: type focus is better. Do what's best for the flock, 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: not just the fledgling. You could say, even if that 34 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: fledgling can swim three miles per hour almost out of 35 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: the egg. This week we've got the war on wolves 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: and grizzlies. But first I'm gonna tell you about my 37 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: week and my week as well as This podcast is 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: hosted by Steel Power Equipment. Look up a steel dealer 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: near you by going to steal usa dot com. I 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: don't have all that much going on. Got a new fancy, 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: awesome pellet grill for barbecue season, which is year round 42 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: for me, if I'm being honest, got the camp chef 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: would win two thing rips, smoke some fish, grilled some 44 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: mule dear the usual. We just got back from a 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: week of turkey hunting. About forty five minut us are 46 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: so outside of the city of Grand Rapids, Michigan, where 47 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: we hosted. Austin, Jake, and Kevin were Team Oklahoma for 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: the first ever TRCP Meat Eater turkey hunt. Austin won 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: the raffle that raised a ton of money for conservation, 50 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: and he brought his brother and childhood friend along. Isn't 51 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: that sweet? It was a great trip. First timers got birds. 52 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: You can't beat that. Well. Stephen myself got blanked. No 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: birds for us, However, Old the honest Patelis was kind 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: enough to cook up a big batch of turkey schnitzel 55 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: on the very last night we were there. We stayed 56 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: up too late and ate well. It was fantastic. Now 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: in Michigan, I decided to climb a tree stand as 58 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: there were plenty around and like almost all of my 59 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: tree stands sits. Had I stayed long enough, I would 60 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: have killed something, in this case a turkey. But I 61 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: don't sit well. I didn't make a post on the 62 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: old cal four oh six instagram handle in guards to 63 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: legislation that will undoubtedly be law in the State of 64 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Idaho by the time of this recording, and that is 65 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: or was rather State Bill one to one one. This 66 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: bill legislatively manages wildlife, which I am not a fan of. 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: The State of Idaho is supposed to have an independent 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: fish and game This bill says, no, you're not. For instance, 69 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: wolves are a big game animal in the state of Idaho, 70 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: which was part of the agreement when wolves became managed 71 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: by the State of Idaho. A big game designation basically 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: means that there are seasons, legal means of take, as 73 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: in how you can catch or kill one, and you 74 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: have to have a tag to legally kill a wolf, 75 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: and that there's going to be a mandatory big game 76 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: harvest report. According to this bill twelve eleven, the wolf 77 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: will still be considered a big game animal, so you 78 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: will still need a tag and you will still need 79 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: to report your harvest, but it will now be legal 80 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,119 Speaker 1: to take that animal by any means that you would 81 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: use to legally kill a coyote, which coyotes are considered 82 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: a vironmint in the state of Idaho. Vironmints can be 83 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: killed year round. They can be legally taken in a 84 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: variety of different ways, including several non big game ways, 85 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: which would include like the use of night vision scopes, 86 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: which you know you use at night. If I'm being honest, 87 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: this doesn't really bother me, with the exception of the 88 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: fact that all of this could have been accomplished through 89 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: regulation as in a change to the big game hunting rags, 90 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: not legislation as in law. In fact, most of what's 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: in this bill, if an individual wanted to go through 92 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: the proper channels, could be accomplished prior to the bill 93 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: becoming law. Currently in the state of Idaho, a hunter 94 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: can get fifteen over the counter wolf tags, a trapper 95 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: can get fifteen over the counter wolf tags, and a 96 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: hunter trapper can get a total of thirty wolf tags. 97 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: Additional tags are available in depredation circumstances. Interestingly enough, under 98 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: depredation circumstances, a person could be permitted to kill wolves 99 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: at night with a night vision optic. Additionally, in the 100 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: entire state of Idaho, the wolf season is almost year 101 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: round at either eleven or twelve months, if not on 102 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: all lands on private lands. Bill twelve eleven mandates that 103 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: trapping be open year round on private lands in all units, 104 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: which is important because I d f G Idaho Fishing 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: Game currently has some closures in place in areas that 106 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: year round trapping, specifically with snares, could cause unnecessary conflict. 107 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: We'll get to why that is in a minute. The 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: current length of the wolf season and the liberal tags 109 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: are a reflection of the fact that wolf numbers are 110 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: growing and trappers and hunters aren't that good at trapping 111 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: or hunting them. Now, that's a gen realization right through 112 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: hunter harvest reports, which again is a benefit of the 113 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: big game designation. In two thousand nineteen, one trapper in 114 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: the state actually managed to fill all of his twenty 115 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: tags that were available at the time. Kids, So I 116 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: just said thirty tags. Now it's twenty tags. The two 117 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen season, it was ten hunting tags ten trapping tags. 118 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: So this person is the first person in Idaho state 119 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: history to fill all available wolf tags, which if you're listening, 120 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: is a hell of an accomplishment right in, and I'll 121 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: get you something a s k C. A l ask 122 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: cal at the meat eater dot Com. A handful of 123 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: trappers outside of that person, maybe we'll call him the 124 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: big two. Oh, consistently break into the low teens. But 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about less than ten individuals. And quick side 126 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: note here, if you were a savvy wolf trapper, which 127 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: is statistically the most effective way of killing wolves, your 128 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: wolf hunting tags are valid to be placed on trapped 129 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: wolves as long as there is a wolf hunting season 130 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: open in that game management unit, and you are, of 131 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: course carrying your trappers license, and you've completed your wolf 132 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: trapper education course. If you've done that, then you can 133 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: use a wolf hunting tag on a trapped wolf. That's 134 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. As for wolf hunters, here's a four 135 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: instance for you. I myself was one of those folks 136 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: who was that kind of like the tail end of 137 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: high school and wolf reintroductions were being discussed. I thought, 138 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: I would, you know, naturally, become a modern day wolfer 139 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: have another animal to hunt, and this one in the 140 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: heart of the cold winter when there was nothing else 141 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: going on big game wise, despite always having tags in 142 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: my pocket, I have yet to kill a wolf. I've 143 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: seen them, I've called a few in, but I have 144 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: never gotten a shot. Technically a wolf hunter I am, 145 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: but in practice a bad one, and I represent the 146 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: majority of wolf hunter, not the minority. To get another 147 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: wolf hunder's perspective, someone who's much more serious than I 148 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: am called the Buddy Mine up in the Panhandle, who 149 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: is a self proclaimed wolf hater and hunter who has 150 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: decided to dedicate fifteen days of each year specifically to 151 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: wolf hunting. In three years, forty five days of hunting 152 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: and the purchase of a snowmobile for the specific use 153 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: of wolf hunting, he has killed two wolves. And this 154 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: dude can hunt, and he can shoot very accurately a 155 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: long long way. He's a skilled marksman. The Fishing Game 156 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Commission testified through the Director of Idaho Fishing Game Ed Shreever, 157 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: as to why they cannot support twelve eleven. It would 158 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: limit fishing games ability to manage wildlife. Ed gave this 159 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: example in some units that have a heavy presence of 160 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: hounds and hound hunters running bears, they limit the use 161 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: of snares in those units during that part of the season, 162 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: a classic user conflict situation. Under the wording of Bill 163 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: twelve eleven, fishing game can only limit the season, not 164 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: the means of take, as the means of take are 165 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: set by law now not regulation. Snares are a means 166 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: of take that pertained to trapping. Leg hold traps are 167 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: still in use during prime hound season, but snares are 168 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: not in those game management units. Typically, an animal such 169 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: as a domestic dog, can be released unharmed from a 170 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: leg hold trap, whereas with a snare, especially once set 171 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: for a canine of similar size, being caught could mean 172 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: death to a hound dog, which if we're talking about 173 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: having to lose a couple of working dogs to get 174 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: the wolf numbers down, that's what's got to happen, right Well, 175 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: some do agree with that and some do not. Look 176 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: at what just happened in New Mexico, Roxy's law, I 177 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: believe is what it was called A hikers dog was 178 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: killed in an legally set snare. A well funded anti 179 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: trapping campaign followed, and there is no more trapping for 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the vast majority of New Mexicans on all public lands, 181 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: all public lands, not just in the area around Santa 182 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: Fe where Roxy was killed, And if you were thinking yeah, 183 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: but not Idaho, I bet there were a lot of 184 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: New Mexicans thinking the same thing. If forced into this situation, 185 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: there could be a scenario in which the wolf trapping 186 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: season would need to be shut down entirely in those 187 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: game management units, and fewer wolves would be trapped, not more. 188 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: You can see this would put I d f G 189 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: in a hard place. Now, if you think a couple 190 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: of hound dogs are working dogs, wouldn't elicit such a 191 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: response from the public that fishing game would have to 192 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: shut down a unit. What about the year round use 193 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: of snares in areas where something even more controversial than 194 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: hound dogs or cattle dogs room. When I asked a 195 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: local trapper how plausible it would be to catch a 196 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: juvenile grizzly bear and a snare set for a wolf, 197 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: he responded, entirely plausible, But the seasons don't match up well. 198 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: Under this new legislation, they will in Idaho, and the 199 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: only response I d f G will have is to 200 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: close the season down in that area entirely. Through changes 201 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: in trapping regulations, Idaho increase the wolf take by in 202 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen two thousand twenty season. Over the 203 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen season, about five eight 204 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: three wolves were killed in total in the two thousand nineteen, 205 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty season. That number includes take from hunters, trappers, 206 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: wildlife services, and there's a category that says other, which 207 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: I'm assuming is some other sort of depredation or you know, 208 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: known death. If Idaho has one thousand, five hundred fifty 209 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: six wolves, which is the current math, a take of 210 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: five eighty three wolves would represent roughly decrease in total population, 211 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: which is huge. And that again was done through regulation, 212 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: not legislation. Now, this isn't gonna be an apples to 213 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: apples comparison to anybody who just wants to see wolves die. 214 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: But if you compare big game numbers, right, there's a 215 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: big game animal. If we reduced the deer population or 216 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the elk population, the big horn sheep population by thirty percent, 217 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: that would make everybody stopping their tracks. Through the history 218 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: of the wolf in Idaho, you can see how regulations 219 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: have changed to mirror the growth of the wolf population. First, 220 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: limited units were open to the take of wolves only 221 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: through firearms, only through hunting. There were no trapping seasons open. 222 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Those units had a quota or a cap on how 223 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: many could be taken. Now, any hunter can buy more 224 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: tags than they are ever likely to fill and use 225 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: them almost throughout the calendar year in any part of Idaho. 226 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: With Bill twelve eleven, hunters and trappers would have the 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: ability to purchase an unlimited amount of tags. But what 228 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: would that accomplish? And again, that is something that could 229 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: have been done through regulation. If you look at the 230 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: trajectory of wolf tag availability where it started to where 231 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: it is now, unlimited tags could very well be in 232 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: something that was coming in the near future anyway. And 233 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: then two thousand twenty season, over forty thousand wolf tags 234 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: were sold. Again, five and eighty three wolves were taken total. 235 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Some of those were not taken with tags, meaning there 236 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: are some U. S d A numbers in there. The 237 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: difference between forty thousand tags sold and five and eighty 238 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: three tags punched to me suggests that this is not 239 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: a getting tags in the hands of people problem. So 240 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to issue with this legislation. Wildlife 241 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: management takes time. It's not a perfect science. Our state 242 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: wildlife agencies have the best data available to them, and 243 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: they are at times a bit behind the curve. If 244 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: we were to set legislation every session that determined our 245 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: wildlife management, we would inevitably end up years, maybe decades 246 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: behind that curve. Think of the COVID years, for instance, 247 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: or some other natural disaster. Our lawmaker is going to 248 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: focus on passing legislation for wildlife every session or are 249 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: they going to focus on economic stimulus packages, infrastructure and schools. 250 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: This wolf legislation versus regulation is something I hope is 251 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: limited to a singular event and not the start of 252 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: a trend. I am all four killing more wolves. I 253 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: am all for having wolves on the landscape, but I 254 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: do not agree that regulating wildlife through legislation is the way. 255 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: I do not believe that this legislation and there is 256 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot more to it than I have mentioned here, 257 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: such as increasing the amount of funding the Wolf Control 258 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: Board has and increasing the amount of opportunities they have 259 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: to spend it. And when it comes to spending that money, 260 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: this bill includes a very ill defined group of people 261 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: they can spend it on. But I do not believe 262 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: we are going to see some giant reduction in wolf numbers. 263 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: And keep in mind. The reduction that we're looking for 264 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: is a magical number that is just an acceptable number 265 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: of wolves, which is a moving target. My buddy up 266 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: in North Idaho, that number for him is zero zero wolves. 267 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: The Panhandle, by the way, as a region that has 268 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: seen declines and elk numbers absolutely without a doubt, in 269 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: part by predation wolves, black bears, mountain lions, the occasional grizzly. 270 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot of critters that eat meat in the Panhandle, 271 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: but as always with conservation, there is seldom one thing 272 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: to point to. For instance, the clear Water North is 273 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: the same place that at the time of Lewis and 274 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: Clark was darn near denuded of game, a place tribes 275 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: like the nez Perst told white folks not to go 276 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: to if they're looking for groceries. It wasn't until timber 277 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: harvests opened up ground to sunlight blocked by old growth trees, 278 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: the Big Burn of nineteen ten, in which over three 279 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: and a quarter million acres of timber burned in two days, 280 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: the introduction of yellowstone elk into Idaho, and nineteen more 281 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: fires in the nineteen thirties. Only after all that did 282 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: we really start to see fantastic elk habitat in the Panhandle. Currently, 283 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: timber management is in comparison non existent, and we haven't 284 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: seen a good ripping fire in a long time. Habitat 285 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: will always be a piece of the puzzle. But I digress. 286 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: The other number that may be acceptable is one and fifty, 287 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: which is the number of wolves currently allowed for in 288 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: the Idaho Wolf Management Plan. I truly believe in order 289 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: to do that, to get down to a one fifty number, 290 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: poison on public land and helicopters will be involved. And 291 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: those two options are in my opinion, only for the professionals. 292 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: And if this Wolf Control Board is going to spend 293 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: money on independent contractors, they better have a helicopter. So 294 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: this is happening, right, There's legislation that is happening. So 295 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: how will we know if this wolf legislation works. Well, 296 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. Idaho, as discussed here previously, is 297 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: also opening up more mountain lion opportunity in the state. 298 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: Maybe more people will take advantage of black bear hunting 299 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: in the state and be successful this spring and fall. 300 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: The folks who do go out and chase lions might 301 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: actually kill more of this winner instead of just chasing 302 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: them around, and that winner is going to have to 303 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: be just hard enough to be able to track lions 304 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: well kill the winner ticks that if fact moose and 305 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: then be just easy enough to where it gives a 306 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: break to the undulus that we're trying to protect here. 307 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: And if this cycle repeats itself for two or three seasons, 308 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: then we may be able to look back and say 309 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: some part of this worked, not definitively of course, could 310 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: have been the more bear harvest or the more lion harvest, 311 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: or it could have been the fact that we had 312 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: an easy winner or an easy spring. Or maybe it 313 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: was that big rip and fire that took out the 314 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: pickup stick, deadfall and dark timber that all the wolves 315 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: are hiding in anyway and turned into thousands of acres 316 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: of feet. The scary part is this legislation is flying 317 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: in the face of a steady, measured reaction from wildlife professionals, 318 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: which is slowly working with the hope of instant success. 319 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: So what happens if the wolf numbers are not magically 320 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: lower next year? Do we see more legislation? And if 321 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: you want to play the fear game, what happens if 322 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: we get more severe legislation. This carries on for another 323 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: two or three seasons, and we overcorrect so hard that 324 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: all the camera traps, radio collars, and aerial survey has 325 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: turned up less than one fifty wolves do We then 326 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: have to watch our hunting rights go back out the 327 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: door as they become relisted and relegated to federal control. 328 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: We have to sit and watch those wolf numbers climb 329 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: all the way back up before we get a hume again. Now, 330 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: this has been a long opinion piece here, folks, But 331 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: to bring it back home, wildlife management is not exact 332 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: enough to be legislated, which is why I prefer it 333 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: to be regulated. Moving on, and just for simplicity sake, 334 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna stick with the great state of Idaho. Looks 335 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: like we might have a serial grizzly bear poacher in 336 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: Fremont County. Fremont County sits in the eastern tip of 337 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: the state near Yellowstone. Idaho Fishing Game officials recently announced 338 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: that sometime between March fift and March asaw was shot 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: multiple times near the Pole Bridge Campground around Island Park 340 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: in the Targee National Forest. If you watch that Cow 341 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: in the Field episode, this is exactly where we were fishing. 342 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: Game officials went looking for the bear after her tracking 343 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: color sent a mortality signal, and they discovered her body 344 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: partially submerged in the Little Warm River. The bad news 345 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: didn't end there, as the officers then located the bear's den, 346 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: where they found her dead cub, who had apparently starved 347 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: to death. This follows two other recent grizzly bear poaching 348 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: cases in the same area. Two bore grizzlies were found 349 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: shot in the vicinity last fall, one in September and 350 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: one in October. Bear poaching is actually pretty rare in 351 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: North America compared with other regions of the world, especially 352 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Southeast Asia, where bear claws and other trophies are highly 353 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: sought after. From three to two thousand two, there were 354 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: only eight verified instances of grizzly poaching across Idaho, Montana, Washington, 355 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: and British Columbia, which makes this recent rash of poaching 356 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: per particularly strange, especially because the motivation doesn't seem to 357 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: be the desire for meat, hide, claws, or heads. Is 358 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: this recent poacher angry overgrowing numbers of bears in the 359 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: area and their continued protection under the Endangered Species act 360 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: sort of a spotted owl type focusing of bad feelings 361 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: on a particular emblematic animal, or some people's powerful drive 362 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: to flout any restrictions that conservation laws put on people. 363 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: That speculation is less important than the concrete here and now. 364 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: If any of you out there have information that could 365 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: help Idaho Fishing Game find the responsible party, contact the 366 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: Upper Snake Region Office to zero eight five to five 367 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: seven to nine zero, or Citizens Against Poaching at one 368 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: hundred six three to five nine nine nine. You can 369 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: also go online at I d f G dot Idaho 370 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: dot gov Forward poacher. If your tip solves the case, 371 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: you could end up with fifty grand. That's fifty thousand bucks, 372 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: which would together very nicely with a clean conscience. Remember, 373 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: poaching is stealing, and he's stealing from all of us, 374 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: especially those of us who were living in the state 375 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: Idaho when we actually got to apply for the singular 376 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: grizzly bear draw tag, and I want that opportunity again. 377 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: People like this are setting us back from being able 378 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: to legally hunt these things. Moving on, only a couple 379 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: of miles up the road to some very tough news 380 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks back when wilderness guide and 381 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: photographer Carl Mock was mauled to death by a four 382 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: pound male grizzly bear while Mock was fishing north of 383 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: West Yellowstone, Montana, near Baker's Whole Campground at the western 384 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: edge of the park. Mock's instagram is chock full of 385 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: the many spectacular photos he'd taken of bears, wolves, foxes, weasels, 386 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: and other animals in the g y e since two 387 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen. In his last post from two days before 388 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: the attack, Mock joked that he'd been able to get 389 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: one particularly close up grizz photo because quote I smelled 390 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: like I had been catching trout all day. I think 391 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: most of us who spend a good amount of time 392 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: in grizzly country have told similar jokes, but no one 393 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: wants the irony to be quite that stark. Mock's dominant 394 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: hand was quote chomped up from trying to protect his 395 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: face and neck. His bear spray had been deployed, although 396 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly when. Amazingly, despite a punctured skull, 397 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Mok had the fortitude to distance himself from the bear 398 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: and make two phone calls directing in first responders who 399 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: were able to extract Mock, while the bear let his 400 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: continued irritability known. It was the following day, a Friday, 401 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: the investigation day, that the bear was killed and ultimately 402 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: a moose carcass was found. The bear, who was a 403 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: suspect at the time, didn't back down from attempts by 404 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: a mixed group of seven park rangers, Montana Fish, Wildlife 405 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: and Parks officials, and one dog to haze him away. 406 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: After discharging eight cracker rounds, which are shotgun shells loaded 407 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: with like M A D type firecrackers, the bear was 408 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: eventually killed at a distance of twenty yards as it 409 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: charged the group. Mock died of a stroke that resulted 410 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: in brain death. On Saturday, in order to get the 411 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: Baker's whole campground back open safely, the moose carcass was 412 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: stuffed with explosives and blown up, which is a believe 413 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: it or not, common practice. This turns a big concentrated 414 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: bear attractant that will stick around for a while into 415 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of very small attractants that get gobbled up 416 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 1: by birds, squirrels, and bugs. Not recommended to try that 417 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: one at home with your trash cans. The conflict between 418 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: Mock and this particular bear seems to have been fairly 419 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: quote unquote natural. That is, a ravenous bear emerging from 420 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: hibernation aggressively defending a moose carcass nearby, which is the 421 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of thing that could have happened to an unlucky 422 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: fisherman five hundred years ago on the exact same spot, 423 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: long before yellow Stone became what it is today. Mack 424 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: was described as a serious outdoorsman, a real mountain man 425 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: by his father, and fiercely loyal by his employer, Jerry 426 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: Johnson of Backcountry Adventures. Interesting note out of the Buildings Gazette. 427 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Carl was an organ downer, and his heart, liver, kidneys, 428 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: and pancreas were removed to help those in need of 429 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: aftermarket parts. Sounds like a stand up guy. If you 430 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: do a quick search, you'll find a go fund Me 431 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: page to help with Carl's expenses. Guides don't typically have 432 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: much in the way of insurance. Remember that the next 433 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: time you go out on a snowmobile tour or a 434 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: day of fishing. As we used to say, you can 435 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: always tip over, but you can never over tip. That's 436 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: all I've got for you this week. Thank you so much. 437 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: For listening. Remember you can always get ahold of me 438 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 1: by writing into a s K C A L that's 439 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: asked Cal at the Meat Eater dot com. And most importantly, 440 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: tell me what's going on in your neck of the woods. And, last, 441 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: but not least, all really do want to thank the 442 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: great folks at Steel for their support of Cal's week 443 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: in review. Whether you need a pole saw for clearing 444 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: a shooting lane or a chainsaw to cut firewood, they've 445 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: got you covered. 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