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Speaker 1: On this episode of the News World. Congressman Pat Harrigan

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Speaker 1: is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at

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Speaker 1: West Point, a Green Beret, awarded two Bronze Stars for

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Speaker 1: his military service and recognition of his leadership and effectiveness

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Speaker 1: in combat. He served two deployments in Afghanistan. He's an

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Speaker 1: entrepreneur and business owner, and he proudly serves the United

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Speaker 1: States House Representatives as the congressman representing North Carolina's tenth district,

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Speaker 1: which includes parts of Winston, Salem, Statesville, and Hickory. Pat,

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Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me in the News World.

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Speaker 2: Mister Steaker, thank you for having me. Great to be

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Speaker 2: with you today.

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Speaker 1: I want to start with you were sworn into the

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nineteenth US Congress on January three, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 2: What are the first nine months of year ten You've

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Speaker 2: been like, It's actually been very fast paced. We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of problems in this country, and I will

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Speaker 2: say that our leadership is very interested in layering solutions

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Speaker 2: against those problems, and so I've had a really terrific

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Speaker 2: time up here, particularly as we used the first six

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Speaker 2: months or so actually getting the reconciliation package across the

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Speaker 2: finish line. And I'll say the thing that really most

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Speaker 2: surprised me through that process is that I had a

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Speaker 2: lot more influence on the process than I thought that

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Speaker 2: I would as a freshman. It was really surprising to

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Speaker 2: me something that has been really fulfilling. And we've just

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Speaker 2: been able to through our committee work on House Armed

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Speaker 2: Services Committee as well as Science, Space and Technology, I

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Speaker 2: think really moved the ball forward on not just our

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Speaker 2: national defense but also the future technologies that are going

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Speaker 2: to predicate our market economy. It's been a ton of fun.

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Speaker 1: I think you have an amazing background. You attended Francis

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Speaker 1: Parker School in San Diego, You went to West Point,

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Speaker 1: You Bachelor of Science and Nuclear Engineering. What was it

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Speaker 1: like to be a West Point Well?

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Speaker 2: I realized that as I did a semester at the

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Speaker 2: Air Force Academy my junior year as part of a

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Speaker 2: transfer program, that I probably picked the wrong institution. And

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Speaker 2: I say that in all jests, but the Air Force

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Speaker 2: Academy was a beautiful place, as West Point is. But

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Speaker 2: the Air Force is just a whole lot easier than

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Speaker 2: the Army being at West Point. As they say, it's

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Speaker 2: a great place to be from it's not a great

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Speaker 2: place to be, and that process of transforming you from somebody,

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Speaker 2: you know, a kid just coming out of high school

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Speaker 2: to somebody that is actually ready to step up and

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Speaker 2: lead the next generation of American soldiers, it really is

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Speaker 2: a trial, a lot of difficult and hard work, an

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Speaker 2: awful lot of discipline. I very much probably could have

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Speaker 2: enjoyed my four years and undergraduate studies very very differently,

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Speaker 2: but it was genuinely an incredible educationarticularly the education in

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Speaker 2: leadership that I received, and it set me up for

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Speaker 2: really what I've done the rest of my life. Wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be where I am today without it. There's no question

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Speaker 1: When you think back to it and you think about

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Speaker 1: your own experiences in combat in Afghanistan to what a

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Speaker 1: dere do we have to have for ground combat, A

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Speaker 1: very relentless training program that makes you a much different

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's no question the timeless words of

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Speaker 2: still ring true today. He says there is no substitute

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Speaker 2: both individually. As someone who's going to engage in combat

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Speaker 2: lead others in combat, their lives are going to be

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Speaker 2: dependent upon the quality of the decisions that you make,

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Speaker 2: the character by which you make those decisions, and then

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Speaker 2: the outcomes that are generated for the nation. It is

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Speaker 2: all about winning, period, and it takes a lot to

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Speaker 2: operly develop a leader of character who is capable of

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Speaker 2: winning on the battlefield the right way for our country

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Speaker 2: to secure those outcomes that the American people expect. And

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Speaker 2: so it's definitely an incredible institution.

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Speaker 1: You've said that the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan under President

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Speaker 1: Biden was a turning point that inspired you to run

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Speaker 1: for office. Can you take us back to August of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and tell us, as a veteran who'd

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Speaker 1: been there, what did you feel like watching it unfold

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Speaker 1: and how did that lead you to run for Congress.

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Speaker 2: As I watched Afghanistan crumble, I genuinely wept. I sat

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Speaker 2: for me that was very difficult to comprehend is how

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Speaker 2: we had a chief executive president, Joe Biden, as the

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Speaker 2: started his career watching Vietnam unfold. He was not responsible

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Speaker 2: and he saw exactly how devastating that was to the

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Speaker 2: years later, having seemingly learned nothing from his experience in politics,

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Speaker 2: he actually allowed the exact same thing to happen as

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Speaker 2: that really frustrated me more than anything else is that, Look,

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Speaker 2: there are certainly consequences from that type of weakness, from

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Speaker 2: generating those type of outcomes, But I think the greatest

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Speaker 2: consequence is when we are weak, it invites conflict. And

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Speaker 2: I genuinely believed that the way that we left Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: condemned the next generation of Americans to war, and I

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Speaker 2: think that we're dealing with that today. We see the

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Speaker 2: world is on fire. I've always said when America fails

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Speaker 2: to lead, the world burns, and the world is absolutely

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Speaker 2: burning right now. We're doing the very best that we

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Speaker 2: the reality is one of the first things you learn

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Speaker 2: when you get into the military. The enemy gets a vote,

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Speaker 2: and they're voting, and they want to fight right now

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Speaker 1: So what ex said, do you think putin watching Biden's

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Speaker 2: It was a direct signal to him to go. He

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Speaker 2: actually President Biden went so far as to say that

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Speaker 2: we would. He actually showed our cards, and so we

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Speaker 2: didn't just prevent him from going into Ukraine. We actually

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Speaker 2: gave him a direct invitation to invade Ukraine. And that

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Speaker 2: to me is as close as you can get to

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Speaker 2: an unforgivable sin in this world.

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that you're part of the Four Country Caucus

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Speaker 1: along with other members who served in erect in Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how did that come about? That's a fascinating

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Speaker 2: I think you would agree, mister speaker, that our Congress

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Speaker 2: has operated much more effectively and cohesively in the past

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Speaker 2: for that is we had a lot more veterans participating

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Speaker 2: in the years after Vietnam, from the late forties all

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Speaker 2: the way up until about nineteen eighty, we had about

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Speaker 2: sixty to seventy percent of congress or veterans three cycles ago.

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Speaker 2: So six years ago that number had fallen to nine percent.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad to report that because of very intentional

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Speaker 2: veterans into Congress, that number is now back up to nineteen.

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Speaker 2: But we still have a long way to go. And

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Speaker 2: here's the really cool thing about veterans. We don't argue

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Speaker 2: about reality, and we also understand the consequences of decisions

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Speaker 2: veterans arguing over whether the sky is green and the

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Speaker 1: I think in that sense, you bring a level of

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Speaker 1: But you faced real challenges, not only in foreign affairs

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Speaker 1: and in military affairs. But this week marks the one

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Speaker 1: year anniversary of Hurricane Helen, which devastated huge parts of

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Speaker 1: western North Carolina. What's the current situation, how much have

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Speaker 1: they been able to rebuild, and what kind of funding

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Speaker 1: have you been able to advocate to get the rebuilding

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Speaker 2: We actually just had a meeting with the Governor of

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Speaker 2: there's still a lot of work to do. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that's a surprise to anybody. This storm, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: as all natural disasters are, are generally a complete supper,

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Speaker 2: and it certainly was for western North Carolina. We had

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Speaker 2: their feet, and we need to make sure that government,

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Speaker 2: both at the federal level and at the state level,

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Speaker 2: because both have operated inefficiently and ineffectively, are actually getting

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Speaker 2: aid in support to those who need it most and

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Speaker 2: there are still folks who need it. The charter on

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Speaker 2: attention because we're a year away from this. Order for

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Speaker 1: Are you finding the federal government responsive. You know, they

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Speaker 1: make big commitments, but are they actually executing it and

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would say much more so under this current administration.

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Speaker 2: President Trump, he made very clear he was going to

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Speaker 2: fulfill his campaign promise to never ever forget about Western

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Speaker 2: pushing money down to North Carolina so that Western North

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Speaker 2: much more efficient and effective with the change of administration.

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Speaker 2: I am happy to report.

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Speaker 1: I have to say I was a little surprised to

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Speaker 1: learn that when you left the military, you and your

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Speaker 1: wife built a firearms manufacturing company from the ground up

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Speaker 1: in western North Carolina. What do you manufacture?

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Speaker 2: Actually in weapons and munitions manufacturing, So we do a

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Speaker 2: number of components for larger firearms companies and their production lines.

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Speaker 2: We've got a line of our own weapons systems, and

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Speaker 2: then we also make different munitions. So we're kind of

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Speaker 2: in the entire sphere of the small arms apparatus. We

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Speaker 2: even have an optics manufacturing company too.

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Speaker 1: Can people find you on the web? They can.

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Speaker 2: The optics company is US Optics, and the firearms company

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Speaker 2: is called zero Delta and unbranded a.

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Speaker 1: Are That's great. What did you learn as a small

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Speaker 1: business owner in terms of dealing with the government and

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Speaker 1: what we need to do to maximize future economic growth.

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Speaker 2: Look, small business is the backbone of our economy here

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Speaker 2: in this country, There's no question about it. My wife

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Speaker 2: and I we started our business in a doubley trailer

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Speaker 2: outside of Fort Bragg. It was really just started as

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Speaker 2: a hobby and then it kind of turned into a business.

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Speaker 2: Heaw a federal firearms license. I would say the biggest

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Speaker 2: lesson that I learned is that our financial system discriminates

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Speaker 2: against folks that are trying to just exercise their Second

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Speaker 2: the firearms business in this country, and that's absolutely fundamentally wrong.

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Speaker 2: It has to change. We're systematically discriminated against. That is

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Speaker 2: changing underneath this administration. President Trump has paid particular attention

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Speaker 1: One of the things you've done to help accelerate that

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: I was very intrigued because recently I went to Los

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Speaker 2: There's absolutely no question about that. And so we're going

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Speaker 2: and we're going to do something a little bit different here,

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Speaker 2: But simultaneously they're held in cooperation because they all get

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Speaker 1: I'm delighted with your leadership on this because I'm convinced

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Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, mister speaker, you're exactly right about all of that.

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Speaker 2: And look, we all want to support a free market economy,

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Speaker 1: You've been very aggressive even trying to apply new solutions,

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Speaker 2: I think we all see that none of the military

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Speaker 2: It's actually one of the reasons Sky Foundry is not

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Speaker 2: that's not serving our national security properly. We have to

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Speaker 1: You'll put your if any on one of the major

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Speaker 1: requirements for our survival, frankly, which is to cut through

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Speaker 1: all the obsolete red tape. All the obsolete requirements, a

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Speaker 1: number of which, to be fair, were caused by the Congress,

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Speaker 1: the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a warning that the left

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Speaker 1: has abandoned persuasion and normalized violence against conservatives. Why do

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Speaker 1: you think that things have become so.

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Speaker 2: Dangerous because rhetoric has consequences. You can't call our side Nazis, fascists,

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Speaker 2: that there is legitimate risk and liability that you motivate

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Speaker 2: somebody to violence. It's just happened far too long. I

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Speaker 2: days ago, and you know, as you know, Steve was

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Speaker 2: almost lost his life. He knows I've had my house,

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Speaker 2: political campaign. We have to understand that MSNBC has called

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump a fascist three thousand times in the

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Speaker 2: last four years. That's what I was talking to Steve about.

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Speaker 2: That has very real consequences. We saw a poll last

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Speaker 2: The right does not think that way. We think that

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Speaker 2: all violence, no matter where it is, is unacceptable, and

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Speaker 2: particularly when it is you for political purposes. It's antithetical

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Speaker 2: to our constitution, everything that we stand for, it have

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Speaker 2: it continues, destabilize this country to a dangerous point, not

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Speaker 2: just dangerous for individuals, but for all of us collectively

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Speaker 2: moving forward, the cohesion of our country. All of this

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Speaker 1: Mister speaker, Pat I want to thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: by visiting your website at Harrigan dot House dot gov.

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Speaker 1: This has been a terrific conversation You are an amazing

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Speaker 1: your patriotic work which began a West Point, went to Afghanistan,

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