1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't become to stuff. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: I'm never told your protection, but I hiart radio. So 3 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to cut right to the chase on this one. Samantha, 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: do you have any like entertainment you're really excited about? 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Because we had a lot of stuff that's coming out soon, 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: the season comes up, all these new shows, movies, all 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: of it. Am I excited by anything? I feel like 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: that such a sad like question because I don't know 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. That's part of the problem right now, 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: and I'm so far backtracking and trying to find things 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: that I'm sure like, oh, here it is. Because I 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: was really excited about Legend of shang Chi. I still 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: haven't watched it, which I was so excited about it, 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, wait, oh it's out. Why am 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: I not watching it? So things like this where I'm 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: just so caught up and being stressed that I'm still 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: in my current like oh, I'm just gonna do things 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: on repeat. I told the story not too long ago 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: that I had my sad movie on and I didn't 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: realize I had my sad movie on, which is like 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: ratatui for way back when, and that's what I've been doing. 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get new things, but at the 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: same time, I'm not focused enough to see it. That's fair, 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: what's out there, That's fair. I mean, you can be 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: excited about old things, you know. Me. I get super 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: excited about movies I've seen a million times. I'm excited 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: for Spider Man No Way Home. I'm excited for Boba Fett, 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: even though I don't really like Boba Fett. Oh yeah, yeah, 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: I'll say it out there like me not when. And 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: I'm excited for Hawk. I'm kind of curious, curious, I 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: got I got a lot of things, a lot of nerves. 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Stuff is happening. The reason I want to bring this 33 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: up is because I recently kind kind of got engaged 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: in a word. Some dude clearly thought I was a 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: fake geek girl, and I was like, wait a minute, 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: do you not know who I am? So in the 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: spirit of that, we wanted to bring back this classic 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: episode on the Fake Geek Girl, So please enjoy. Hey, 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: this Sanny in Samantha and welcome to stuff I've never 40 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: told your protection of I heart adios how stuff. First, 41 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: as we record this listeners, Dragon con which is a 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: convention of all things nerd um that drew over eighty 43 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: thousand people last year, is coming to Atlanta. It takes 44 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: place every Labor Day weekend in the city, taking over 45 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: five hotels in Midtown and pretty much everything in that vicinity, 46 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: especially Peach Tree mall Um. I've been going for like 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: eight years now. I've been going for a while, but 48 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: hilariously not while I was a student at Georgia Tech, 49 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: which is both close and is known as a geek college. 50 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even know about it. Um. But Samantha and 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: I will be there um or we were there, depending 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: on when you listen to this, and I will be 53 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: in costume either as the Winter Soldier of course pick 54 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: up from How to Train Your Dragon with a Flaming Sword. 55 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be cool Spider Woman with perhaps a joke 56 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: about like Disney and Sony and being child or something. 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, snap judgment with my favorite drunk purchase 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: I've ever made the fans car right? You figured out 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: that that one, didn't you? Oh? Yeah? I When it 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: showed up, I was like, what is this huge box? Oh, 61 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: it's an infinite college and it's a giant of course 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: it is. Of course it is, UM and UM. I 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: have possible side costumes like Ellie from the Last of Us, UM, 64 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: Catwoman from The Dark Night and that series. She's not 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: in that movie, don't write in about it, UM, and 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: Hella from thor Ragnarok. I just love like black messy 67 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: I make up. I'm in UM, but come find us. 68 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: We might be recording right UM, and I'm gonna be there. 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: I will not be dressing up. I'm going to be 70 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: the person in the corner staring around in awe and 71 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: probably disbelief. I'm gonna assume that's going to be my 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: reaction because this will be the first one that I 73 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: will ever have attended. And the only reason I'm going 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: is as support an audience for you, essentially and apparently 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: maybe a backpack carrier. Yeah, because I don't want to 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: ruin my costumes and that's fair and that's fair. And 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in the corner with the recording equipment, 78 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: hopefully if we can get that in UM talking to 79 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: different women and with those who have are dressing as 80 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: females I guess essentially UM, and see what's going on 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: in their heads and how they came up with their costumes, 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: because I will say the one thing about Dragon Con 83 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: just going through the parade or even driving through Atlanta 84 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: during this time, there's some elaborate costumes and people put 85 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: a lot of hard work and a lot of money 86 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: in these things. Oh yeah, And that's my favorite part 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: of of dragon Con is just seeing the creativity of 88 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: the costumes. A lot of puns, and you know I 89 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: love pun. There's so many puns. Oh yeah, I've got 90 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: I got some good pun costume. I mean, snap judgment obviously. 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: But we're not only talking about dragon Con today, although 92 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: it might come up some We're talking about the fake 93 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: geek girl and toxic fandom at large. And this is 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: something that I do know a lot about, and we've 95 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: touched on these topics and a handful of episodes, but 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: pretty sure, unless my memory and Google is failing me, 97 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: we've never done an entire episode on it. And there 98 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: is a Fake Geek Girls podcast out there. Yeah, okay, 99 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: So definition time geek a person who has excessive enthusiasm 100 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: for and some expertise about a specialized subject or activity. Yeah. 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: I used to have like a debate about like nerd 102 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: verse is right. They feel like there was work hierarchy 103 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: when it came to those types of Oh, I've been 104 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: in many arguments about it. People have their opinions and 105 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: they're almost always different, and it's the one that they 106 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: claim to be is the best one. I would see. 107 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I always a claimed to be the nerd I don't 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: always call it. Was called a nerd growing up because 109 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: of my love for books and writing. And you know, see, 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: I was always called a dork because I feel like 111 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: a dork is a softer. I don't know a goof ear. 112 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: This is all just right, I looked it up. Um. 113 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: So if we look at fake geek girl, this is 114 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: a woman pretending to be nerdy to attract male attention. Uh. 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: There is no other reason for a woman to like something, right, 116 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: I have a specialized Yeah, no, just to attracting. That's 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: why I do things. Oh yeah, that's my whole goal 118 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: in life. Right. Um. Usually they are evenually attractive, these 119 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: fake geek girls because it is a real geek dudes fantasy. 120 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: It's a woman entering their boys only clubhouse. So the 121 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: only way that these women can exist in there is 122 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: by being a sexual object to be enjoyed by them. 123 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: And geeks are generally assumed to be men unless the 124 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: girl not woman, by the way, is added, that already 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: makes them an outsider. So like, just the fact we 126 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: have to specify geek is assumed to be male, geek girl, 127 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: you have to like have that label. That means the 128 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: masculinity of geek culture is just as policed as jocks 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: are inside locker rooms. And it is a way for 130 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: dudes to blame women for rejection. She's just a fake girl. 131 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: And so this fake geek girl is a meme. You've 132 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: probably seen it. It's um a white woman, a white 133 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: young woman with kind of brown hair, bangs, glasses, and 134 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: on her hand she has a nerd written on it. 135 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: And that's kind of the meme. You'll see the fake 136 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: eat girl, and it's everywhere. It is every where. Scott 137 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: Snyder's Batman number thirteen had an ad with a woman 138 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: wearing a shirt that said impostor on the front, and 139 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: the speech bubble said, I basically spend like all day 140 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: looking at low cats on Facebook. I'm such a huge nerd. 141 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Then there's Dirk Mannings, who is a comic writer. He 142 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: has this Facebook post that said, dear girls who take 143 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: pictures in slutty coling and glasses and labeled the caption 144 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: nerd l O L. You're not a nerd, You're a 145 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: whore who found classes. An angry man he does. There's 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: no need for that. Unnecessary. We've got another angry man, 147 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: another comment, angry man. There are favorites. Okay, this is 148 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: from Tony Harris and it's long, so I'm going to 149 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: read it. I can't remember if I've said this before, 150 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway. I don't give a crap. 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: I appreciate a pretty gal as much as the next 152 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 1: HEATERO male. Sometimes I even go in for some racy 153 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: type stuff, keeping the comments PG for my lady's sake. 154 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: But damn it, damn it, damn it, I am so 155 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: sick and tired of the whole causeplay chicks. I know 156 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: a few who are actually pretty cool and big shocker 157 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: love and read comics, so as in all things that, 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: they are the exception to the rule. Here's the statement 159 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: I want to make based on the rule. Hey, quasi 160 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: pretty not hot girl, you are more pathetic than the 161 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: real nerds, who you secretly think are really pathetic. But 162 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: we are onto you. Some of us are aware that 163 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: you are ever so average on an everyday basis. But 164 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: you have a couple of things going your way. You're 165 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: willing to become almost completely naked in public. And you're 166 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: either skinny, well some or most of you think that 167 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: you are, or you have big boobies. Notice I didn't 168 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: say great boobies. You are what I refer to as 169 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: con hot. Well, not by my estimation, but according to 170 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: a lot of average comic book fans who either rarely 171 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: speak to or never speak to girls. Some virgins, all 172 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: unconfident when it comes to girls, and the one thing 173 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: they all have in common, they are being preyed on 174 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: by you. You have this really awful need for attention, 175 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: for people to tell you you are pretty or hot, 176 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: and the thought of guys pleasuring themselves to the memory 177 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: of you hagging on them with your glossy open lips 178 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: promising them the moon and the stars of pleasure just 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: makes your head vibrate. After many years of watching this 180 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: go down every three seconds around in front of my 181 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: booth or table at any given con in this country, 182 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: I put this together, well, not just me, we are legion, 183 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: and here it is the reason why all that sickens 184 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: as because you don't know about comics beyond whatever Google 185 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: image search you did to get reference on the most 186 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: mainstream character with the most revealing costume ever. And also, 187 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: if any of these guys that you hang on tried 188 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: to talk to you out of the con, you wouldn't 189 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: give them the same time of day. Shut up, you 190 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: damned lyar No, you would not, lying, liar face, You're 191 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: not comics. You're just the thing that all the comic 192 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: book and mainstream press flocked too at cons, and the 193 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: real reason for the con and the damned costumes you're 194 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: preading around in that would be comic book artists and 195 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: comic book writers who make all that up. Okay, why 196 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: is he so angry? Why isn't he just letting it go? 197 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: And hey, even if that is the case, you're getting publicity. 198 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Move on, man, you should just send him a note. Man, 199 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: you sound sad, and you sound like you've been rejected 200 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: a lot. I'm probably gonna get docs just for saying this, 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: because I'm sure he's somebody's hero who is really sad 202 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: and lonely. As he said, like, oh you're staying up 203 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: for all men, good job. I don't know how to 204 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: stay that would sit down, Calm down, You're insignificant. If 205 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: this is what you have to rant about, this is 206 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: your issue in life, just sit down. Yeah, it'll be okay, dude. 207 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: Just they're pretty, move on you. You don't have to 208 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: compliment them. You don't even have to look at that costumes, 209 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: don't have any of those things. They don't have to 210 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: exist for you. It's fine. Just let them be. Why 211 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: are you so sad and lonely? Samantha's turned this around 212 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: on you, sir. I'm just saying it's gonna be okay. 213 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: Boo boo this it will be okay. And then there's 214 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Joe Peacock, who wrote there's a growing chorus of frustration 215 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: in the geek community with and there's no other way 216 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: to put this pretty girls pretending to be geeks for attention. 217 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: San Diego Comic Con is the largest vehicle, but it's 218 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: hardly the only convention populated with quote hot chicks wearing 219 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: skimpy outfits simply to get a bunch of galking geeks 220 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: heads to turn, just to satisfy their hollow egos. Okay, 221 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm so seriously confused about why they are so upset 222 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: that pretty girls. Oh well, they're upset about pretty girls 223 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: existing in their space and not being sexual objects just 224 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: for them to consume. Well, it's that in part too. 225 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: There's this sense of if you were a child and 226 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: being a nerd was not cool and you got beat 227 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: up for it, perhaps that you had to go through 228 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: this stuff and it's like an exclusive club. And now 229 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: people are just in their minds they just look good. 230 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: Don't understand it coming into our world. So is the 231 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: whole world of I'll listen to them before they're popular. 232 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I like this before they were cool mentality. Yeah, and 233 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: there's definite gate keeping and entitlement and we're going to 234 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: talk about some of this more later. And also just 235 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: um a geek anything that depends on expertise to like 236 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: your credentials of how much of a geek you are 237 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: depends on how much you know about a certain thing. 238 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: Then they're automatically with that is a level of judgment 239 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: of thinking, like, I can understand it. They're upset because 240 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: someone else is making money on something they didn't dedicate 241 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: themselves too, but just enjoying it. Yeah, it seems kind 242 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: of harsh. Well, and also, and we mentioned this a 243 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: little bit in fan fiction, there is a people look 244 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: down on how women more traditionally celebrate fandom, like writing 245 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: fan fiction or making costumes, because if you look at 246 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: arts and crafts, who are more likely to engage in that? 247 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: It is women. So women are making these costumes, and 248 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: some of these men are looking down on that as 249 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: that is not true fandom, that is not true nerdom? 250 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: How dare they? How dare they? And who agrees is 251 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Dr nerd Love who responded being sexy as great as 252 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: long as you've passed this ideological test that shows that 253 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: you are indeed a true geek and not one of 254 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: those hideous posers. I'm sure Peacock, who is the person 255 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: whose comments we've just read. I'm sure Peacock means well, 256 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: but what he is saying is, ladies, you're only allowed 257 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: to express yourself sexually if you follow my rules. This 258 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: is continuing the long running attitudes still prevalent in geek 259 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: culture that women are allowed to partake in fandom and 260 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: geek culture if and only if they fulfill specific criteria, 261 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: and even then only if they participate in preapproved manners. 262 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: The fake geek girl is the nerd equivalent of the 263 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: welfare queen, a semi mythical beast who somehow ruins things 264 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: for everybody by well, nobody's entirely sure confusing their poor 265 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: sad boners. Evidently nobody has ever been able to explain, 266 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: to my satisfaction just how this hurts geek culture. Somebody 267 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: dressing up in a sexy costume because being ogle makes 268 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: them feel good doesn't affect me or my friends participation 269 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: in geek culture in any meaningful way. Putting the blame 270 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: on these fake geek attention grabbers for narrowly defining the 271 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: role of women and keepdom only serves to resolve the 272 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: men who act as gate keepers, insisting that the only 273 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: role open to women is to be a sexual object 274 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: rather than a full partner, while denigrating them for doing so. 275 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: At the exact same time, the idea of the fake 276 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: geek girl only serves as a way of dismissing or 277 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: diminishing the presence of women and keekdom. If she doesn't 278 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: conform to some arbitrary standard, she's clearly a fake, only 279 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: in it for the attention. Because if there's anything women do, 280 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: it's been hours upon hours of time and effort just 281 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: a ryle dudes up with absolutely no payoff. That's what 282 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing here, isn't that you're doing here? Yeah? I 283 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: love rolling dudes up. Yeah, never mind, never mind, never 284 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: mind about that. Um. And So from my personal experience 285 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: being in costumes at conventions, I've had men come up 286 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: to me and quise me for sure, how much do 287 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: you know about this character? Do you know every Russian 288 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: word that sets off the winner soldier? Can you do 289 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: them for me? Um? I I can do. I can 290 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: do what I would assume is not very great Russian pronunciation, 291 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: but I know the general sounds have more. I'm like, 292 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm more, not more imprised, but I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 293 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: of course you wouldn't know. Of course you're annie, of 294 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: course you wouldn't know. I have watched Winter Soldiers several 295 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: several times. I almost watched it last night. Couldn't because 296 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: you weren't there. We gotta wait, we gotta do it together. 297 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: Men ask if they can pose with me in sexy ways, 298 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: take pictures where I'm in like some kind of sexy pose, 299 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: like holding my breasts, are making out, or carrying me 300 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: on their shoulder. Um. I've had men accused me of 301 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: knowing nothing about the character I was dressed as men say, 302 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: um that they see me every year and they know 303 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: quote exactly what I'm doing. What I don't know, they 304 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: know I don't know. I'm just trying to have fun here. 305 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: On the other side of the spectrum, I've had men 306 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: act offensively impressed that I know literally anything about nerd 307 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: him and immediately act as though we must have sex immediately. 308 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: We've we've got a date. We were soulmates, obviously. Um. 309 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: The first year I went there, an old man bought 310 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: me a bud light. The first year I went to 311 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: drunk on and then asked me up to his hotel 312 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: room a bud light. A bud light. That's not that's 313 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: not the joint to go to to be like, hey, 314 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: come hang with me in my hotel room. And I'm 315 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: so oblivious. I was just thrilled at a free beer 316 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: that I saw someone else before. Look, if you're gonna 317 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: buy me a beer, I'm gonna move on. Like that's 318 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: not a promise, that's as you being dumb. Future episode. 319 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: I actually want to re examine that because I've always 320 00:17:55,640 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: kind of been torn on what to do anyway, Okay, UM, 321 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: all kinds of un want to touching. We've done episodes 322 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: about that, and you've probably heard it in the news. UM, 323 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: and the attitude that since you're dressed up as a 324 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: certain character is totally cool, like you're no longer human anymore. 325 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,239 Speaker 1: They're this rendering of a character that they have an 326 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: idea about. UM. Or sometimes they think it's just funny, 327 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: especially because I gender bend, so I'm usually dressed as 328 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: like of a female version of a male character, So 329 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: a lot of dudes think that's hilarious. Um. I've had 330 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: cops make inappropriate comments and asked me out when I'm 331 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: dressed in costume, and we have literally not said anything 332 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: to each other. It just comes up. You know what, 333 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: I'd like, take you out of date, no, sir, No sir. 334 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: UM and Smith and I at our upcoming convention, we're 335 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: gonna take a tally of how many sexist comments we 336 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: receiver over here. We're gonna do a little survey, Yeah, 337 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: find out how prevalent that is. Because last year they 338 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: did have an incident UM, and they actually had a video, 339 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: I think of a woman being accosted and they were 340 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: trying to find this man at Dragon con. So I 341 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: know that people have become a little more aware of 342 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: what's happening and how inappropriate this is. I have certainly 343 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: observed so much sexism at cons and it is certainly 344 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: deterred some of my friends from going. And I have 345 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: seen women judge women dressed for too sexy, for essentially 346 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: being fakey girls. I have friends of mine that used 347 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: to do that before they grew up and realized the 348 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: error of their ways, right, But I've seen women do it. 349 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: That's the thing is like, again, I know I've said 350 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: repeatedly one of the reasons I don't go to convention 351 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: like this as an Asian woman, there's a whole level 352 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: of fetishism that happens already. So when you go into 353 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: and for me, even though there's so many other things 354 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: that dragon con animal is one of the first things 355 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: I think of, and that's typically one of the right, 356 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, oh no, oh no, no, 357 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: we can't hang out if you're obsessed. It's one thing 358 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: to have an interest, and it's the one thing to 359 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: like it. But to me, there's a whole level of 360 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: why you want to talk to me, right, So that 361 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: to me, like, even though I think it's getting less 362 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: and less, but that's still very, very, very existent. I 363 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: definitely get asked out based on me be an Asian 364 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: and now my sexy voice just getting up. Um, But 365 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's one of the reasons I stay away, 366 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: far far away, and I typically don't dress up. If 367 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: I dressed up, it's going to be a funny character 368 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: than a sexy character typically for me. Yeah, and caveat here. 369 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: I do normally have a pretty good experience. This is 370 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: making it sound horrible, but I want to say this. 371 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: All of this stuff happens to me when I'm alone. Um, 372 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: I think when we're together, I'm not sure that this 373 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: is going to happen. Well, it's kind of like that 374 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: pack mentality, and I'm sure, Well we could go into 375 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: that later on. But men have this thing about women 376 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: being alone versus being in a pack. But sometimes it 377 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: doesn't even determine in general, especially if there's a male 378 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: in the group, then that kind of like or someone 379 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: of the opposite sex or someone of different sex, that 380 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: that just kind of pulls everything apart for the right 381 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: pray versus predator meant any what it kind of is. 382 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, I could definitely say, especially at these types 383 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: of conferences, if you're not with a group, that obviously 384 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: means you need friends. Quote unquote yeah mm hmmm. Look 385 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: at that lonely winter soldier. I think I'll go up 386 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: and harrass her. That's what I think every time. Yeah. Sure. 387 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: And another thing I want to add in here is 388 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: something that I've only started to think about after being 389 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: on this show is being feminist and wearing costumes that 390 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: were designed with the male gaze of mind, so sexy costumes, 391 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: and feeling conflict about it, especially when there are young 392 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: children around. Because it's one thing I've said it before. 393 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: I love dressing up in sexy costumes every now that 394 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: not all the times, sometimes I'm not in the place, 395 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: but sometimes feeling it. I do it for myself, but 396 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's perceived that way because our society 397 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: has not set it up to be perceived that way 398 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: for so long. So I worry that kids see that 399 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: perception as opposed to just the strong woman who wants 400 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: to dress sexy. Um. So that's in the back of 401 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: my head now too. That's something I think about. Well, 402 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: if you think about old comics and the characters and 403 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: the way women were drawn in general, they're like, what 404 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: the hell they're wearing? And now today's translations into our 405 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: movie in you know, Wonder Woman. It's kind of like 406 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: that fine balance. And that's another thing that I hope 407 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: we'll get to come back to because a lot of 408 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 1: people have written about it, is why is it that 409 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: women when during Halloween say they it's become like sexy costumes? 410 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: And I think I subscribe to the mean girls theory. 411 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: That is because we're judged so harshly any other time 412 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: for dressing sexy. So it's like the one time we 413 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: feel like we can. But there's a lot of other 414 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: stuff at play. I haven't done the research yet, so 415 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: if you disagree, please don't yell at me quite yet. 416 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: But that's something we'll returned to me is just wearing 417 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: all black with some kind of animal ears. That's the 418 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: best way to go that you're costume wearing all black 419 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: and then cattiers. Well I did rabbit ears one year. 420 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: Comfort is key, Yes, comfort is key. So why does 421 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: this whole fake girl thing exist? Well? Has always for 422 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One nerdum has long been seen 423 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: as a male alternative for being traditionally male. So it's 424 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: the alternative if you're not that buff, strong, do you 425 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: that is. You know, when we think of the most masculine, 426 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: manly man, that's the image, the sports jock type thing. 427 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: So nerdum has been the alternative to that. And in 428 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: our movies we see it all the time. You got 429 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: the jocks and the nerds, and the nerds always get 430 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: the girl. They're entitled to the girl because the male 431 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: dude wrote it and that's what they think. Um. Having knowledge, 432 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: being a nerd was another way to be competent. So 433 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: if a woman started doing this, then does that mean 434 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: nerd them is less manly or nerds are only passing 435 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: as men and or if it is defined on how 436 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: much you know, then it fosters gatekeeping, like we said, 437 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: and men have traditionally done this gatekeeping, and women who 438 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: got past that frequently had to give up a part 439 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: of their identity to do so, so be a less feminine, 440 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: not this pretty fake geek girl. Um. So it can 441 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: be easy to lash out against people women in this 442 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: scenario that didn't give up a part of their identity 443 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: in our eyes, um, like you have to do that. 444 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Fans of something see it as part of their identity. 445 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Hardcore it is hardcore, but it doesn't have to be 446 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: there different there different levels of fandom. And like I 447 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: said earlier, I think a part of it too is 448 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: that nerdom used to come with this rite of passage 449 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: of getting beat up or being isolated. So when you 450 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: see someone who you think didn't have to go through 451 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: that using the label you used to find solace or 452 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: to find people like you to feel us alone, then 453 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: you might want lash out. And I know we read 454 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: something about that in our I think our Star Wars 455 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: episode about toxic fandom. Um, but I can't I can 456 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: never find it. But I know John Oliver has a 457 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: bit where he says, nerds, youve inherited the earth. It's over. 458 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: Well that's kind of a new joke, is how That's 459 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: kind of Um. I think it was the silly movie 460 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: with Jonah Hill and Jane and Channing Tatum, the Little 461 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: Cup movie. Yeah, you know one and the Key. They 462 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: go they go back to school, but the roles of 463 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: a reverse and now Jonah is the cool kid who 464 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: was the nerd in high school and got beat up 465 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: and the jock was always now is being made fun of, 466 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: which is Chane Tatum chater? Like it does the flip 467 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: and then like although in the early nineties late eighties, 468 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: the Nerds had their own franchise, The Revenge of the Nerds. 469 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: I know, it was a whole it was really creepy 470 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: movie too. It was terrible. It was really awful. But 471 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: they had a whole franchise based on we Will. Of 472 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: course he's nerds, really buff Nerds. It was really weird 473 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, stuff like that has become a 474 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: part of like the flip of the script of mentality. 475 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: And as I said, there are different levels of fandom, 476 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: so that's a totally okay thing. Some of us are 477 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: we're all in. Some of us are casual, and it 478 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: differs from fandom to fandom. And I personally don't understand 479 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: keeping and shutting people out from fandoms that we love. 480 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: I feel like I want to share it with everybody. 481 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: I think you do that really well, which is also 482 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: why I've been watching Supernatural. It was because of you. Essentially, 483 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: you talked about it another element cool. I'll get it 484 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: because I am a Maybe they would call me a 485 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: poser because I enjoy it. I know about it, but 486 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go all the way in poser. That's 487 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 1: that's that's my levels. Like I will, I like all 488 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: the Captain Marvel movies. I will watch them, and I 489 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: will not watch them ten times in a week. Annie, 490 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Samantha. Just let me be a little 491 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: bit more persuasive. I gets you and there, but like 492 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: things like that, I won't be standing in line for 493 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: four hours to go ride a Hagrid ride. Well that 494 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,479 Speaker 1: do it. You would have been able to walk right on. 495 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: So think about that. I are you were, And I 496 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: love the new text that I get from you to 497 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: show me the way times of the Haggard ride, even 498 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: though we're nowhere near every morning I checked got down 499 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: to two hours that one fifty, I was like, oh god, 500 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: she's gonna get on a plane, like she's gonna try 501 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: to get there now. Um. But yeah, I definitely am 502 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: one of those. But yeah, I could definitely. I definitely 503 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: see the dedication and people when you start seeing message 504 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: boards and actually seeing like icons people use that what 505 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: they are pictures profile pictures of whatever character they're in 506 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: love with. It's pretty fascinating. Oh absolutely, I totally agree. 507 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: And it's I love the creativity of the costumes and 508 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: part of that, like the crafting. As we said that 509 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: that's predominantly female. Um, but the creativity of it and 510 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: just seeing the puns people come up with, just how 511 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: impressive something is. And it takes time and it takes money. 512 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: You can do it cheaply, but it can be very expensive. 513 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: And to just dismiss that as this isn't real fandom, right, 514 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: that doesn't make anything. A little of research alone to 515 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: get the precision people's the details on these people's costumes 516 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: are amazing. Oh yeah, and they might even be sexy. 517 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: How dare you I guess someone going to a sexy 518 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: Thanos Last year, one of the costumes I remember the most, 519 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: and I apologize in advance, was a sexy Penny Wise, 520 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: which I just saw that movie. It was a really 521 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: good which, by the way, I know this has nothing 522 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: to do with this, but that whole scene with him 523 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: being in the room full of the figurines and of clowns, 524 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm scared of. 525 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: That Savantha's very specific fear they came to life. Well, okay, 526 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: I'll keep that money. I'll get better about warning you 527 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: about statues that whatever they are. Um, but yeah, I 528 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: just I'm not down with this looking I'm not down 529 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: with looking down on how other people express their fandom 530 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: as long as it's not hurting anybody else, I don't 531 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: get it. I think that's the mantra, how does it 532 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: bother you? If it's not actually physically taking away a 533 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: right or happiness or something that it's actually then why then? 534 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: Why why? And also women have always been geeks. Just 535 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: want to put that out there throughout history. I know 536 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: Mary Shelley isn't an example of one of the first geeks. Um, 537 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: we're just more visible now and we're taking up space 538 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: and people don't like and also people are actually acknowledging 539 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: that yes, as a thing. We have some more for 540 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: you on a toxic fandom, but first we have a 541 00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor and we're back. 542 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored. So toxic fandom this has been thrown 543 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: about our vernacular a lot lately, and it's made up 544 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: of three things. Essentially, entitlement, a feeling of superiority, and possessiveness. 545 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: If that fandom has been traditionally white and male, then 546 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: anything outside of that that that messes with this sense 547 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: of possessiveness. And it's not limited to nerdy things at all. 548 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: Music is another another big one, like k pop. I 549 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: know that's come up, the example of how female singers 550 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: can't date because the fans are so possessives, like an 551 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: old school back throwback when actors we're not allowed to 552 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: share anything about the private lib and had to pretend 553 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: like they're always open, we're never in a relationship and single, right. 554 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: I heard that rumor kind of around Taylor's swift for 555 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: a while, like I know, like, but then they get 556 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: really possessive in the sense of Justin Bieber when he 557 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: and Selina Gomez broke up and he got married, they 558 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: started going after his wife like me, because they just 559 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: it should have been this other woman. And you're just 560 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: going like, damn, you all let them live their lives. Why. 561 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: I get it. If you don't like his music, sure, 562 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: if he's a dick, sure, but because he married someone 563 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: else at that level, and then we know the hive 564 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: will come after you. Yeah. Um. They these people are 565 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: really scared. They're they're very passionate, and they're very passionate. Yes, 566 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: and and some of these uh celebrities have had to 567 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: address their fan base and say I will not tolerate 568 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: this type of behavior. You're right, um, And if we 569 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: go back to entitlement that comes with a sense of ownership. Um, 570 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: this might involve death threats to the creator if things 571 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: don't go the way that the fan thinks that it should. 572 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, Yeah, petitions see that fairly often, actually, 573 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: and I hear it with any kind of ending. People 574 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: don't like, oh my gosh, but they make things happen, 575 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: like the Veronica Malar stuff. Well, that's an example of 576 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: good fandom, although that does come with the double edged 577 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: sort of then you feel like you have to do 578 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: fan service because they essentially made it happen, which Christin 579 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: Bell actually she talked about it. Yeah, did um. And 580 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: then if we look at the superiority, you're better than 581 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: the so called enormis or casuals to the terms they 582 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: use are muggles. Sometimes even outside of Harry Potter, toxic 583 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: fandom is sometimes called protective fandom, fans thinking that they 584 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: are protecting are preserving the fandom as they believe it 585 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: should be. Um. And I've told the story on this 586 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: very show how I stopped playing games online because of 587 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: toxic fandom. Michelle Rodriguez was booed after saying destructive male 588 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: culture while on a panel called women who kick asked 589 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: a man shouted at her women who talked too much. 590 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Then there's Bree Larson the whole I think she just 591 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: said we need more women and everyone was like fire 592 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: her immediately. Um. And then the reaction to Marvel Phase four, 593 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: which is much more diverse than it has been traditionally, 594 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: people saying, oh, this is it's ruined three women exactly, 595 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: how dare you? And then they're all white red oads. Right. 596 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: There's even that cut of the Avengers where they took 597 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: out all the women all male Avengers. That thinks like that. 598 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: And then if you look at Star Wars, there's Daisy 599 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran being bullied off social media. 600 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: They're both in the new Star Wars. And then the 601 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: movies like, um, Charlie Staron was on Mad Max. They're 602 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: pissed that she was one of the heroes, even though 603 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: essentially she still got rescued. Yeah, and I'm just like, 604 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: what's happening in their whole men men rights movement about 605 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: boycotting that movie and things like that. It's just so effling. Yeah. 606 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: Another thing that baffles me. Actors on Voltron received death 607 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: threats because of their response. To questions around shipping. So 608 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: I've said it in another episode, but this is when 609 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: you are pushing for a certain relationship, and they thought that. 610 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 1: I think the actors just said, I like, people should 611 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: ship whoever they want and everyone not everyone, but a 612 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: very vocal group of fans said, you're wrong, this is 613 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,720 Speaker 1: the only ship you monster death threats. Then Dan Harmon 614 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: have he had to essentially condemn half the fans of 615 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: Rick and Morty. Really, yes, and there it's one of 616 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: those things, unfortunate things where it's been taken by men's 617 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: rights activists and sort of turned into so like we 618 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: talked about and sells, so that like alpha is Rick 619 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: and then beta is Morty. You got and then whatever 620 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: the dad's name, Jerry, he's the other thing. Um. And 621 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: they attacked to McDonald's and I think San Francisco some 622 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: Rick and Morty fans because they ran out of the 623 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: session one sauce they were threatening McDonald's employees. This is 624 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: a cartoon, right, and if people don't get mad at me, 625 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like over a cartoon of a non existent 626 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: place and characters correct, and I'm sorry, I'm going off track, yep, 627 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: going Stephen Universe artist was forced to quit after she 628 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: was threatened by fans for drawing a appairing ship that 629 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: they didn't like. Members of a Sherlock panel the BBC 630 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: show were harassed based on their preference of who tops 631 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: in that universe. Huh exactly. I think one of them 632 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: was given a candy with needles in it. Oh my god. 633 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: M Then there's the practice of swatting. That's when you 634 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: call swat teams on someone during a gaming dispute, and 635 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: this this has resulted in at least one death. That's 636 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: a twenty years sentence. Rotten Tomatoes changed its review policy 637 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: to prevent mostly male participants in toxic fandom from bombing 638 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: movies on their site, usually before they've been seeing them. 639 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: Movies with female and or people of color and lead roles. 640 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: Captain Marvel, Black, Panther, Wonder Woman, they were all targets. 641 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: Then you Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Last Jedi Tumbler added tag blocking, 642 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: and fandoms have this power because this is a group 643 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: that people who make movies studios feel beholden to because 644 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: that it's guaranteed money if he pleased them. And I'm 645 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: sorry if that fails callous, but it's true, right, um 646 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: and that can prevent studios from making more inclusive choices 647 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: UM or like braver storyline choices. And this is not 648 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: to absolve studios at all at all, but we can't 649 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: absolve toxic fandom either, especially when studios do make these 650 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 1: decisions and the actors pay the price via social media. 651 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: It's like a reverse death of the author problem when 652 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: the fans are the problem, not the creator, and creators 653 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: can be involved in it too, though, especially when they 654 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: say a true fan can only believe in their interpretation. Yes, 655 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: I believe an Rice is a good example, and and 656 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: it's really bad this whole thing in terms of things 657 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: like fight Club or The Matrix, where toxic again largely 658 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,800 Speaker 1: male fans took the original work and turned it into 659 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: something poisonous like representative of red pill blue Pill. And 660 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: that's not how it was meant. I mean, fight Club 661 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a satire about toxic masculinity UM, 662 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: but it has been usurped every time. That's why we 663 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: can't have nice things. Yes, hashtag, not all fans. We're 664 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: making it sound awful. They are parts of it, parts 665 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: of it that are just truly terrible and frightening, and 666 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: it scares some people away, and it's that is really 667 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: frustrating to me. UM. Some of it, though, is beautiful 668 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: and rewarding and sometimes transformative. It can give you copies, friends, 669 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: maybe even significant others. Um. It can be a place 670 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: to find your tribe. I found one of my best friends. 671 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: I went up to talk to her because she had 672 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: a Harry Potter folder. It's the whole reason why I 673 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: talked to her and we're still best friends to this stay. 674 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: She will be at jack and you guys are are 675 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 1: you guys the ones going to uh Orlando November Circle. 676 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: It's it's all comort fule and thanks to fanom. It's 677 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: a place you can hone your creativity. It can be 678 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: all these things that it can be very very toxic. 679 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: It can be also a thing that is a criteria UM, 680 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: where like if they don't like Harry Potter, I'm very 681 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: suspicious of you. I used to have that rule and dating, 682 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: kind of like jokingly and kind of seriously, like you're 683 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to either start watching it now, yeah, or 684 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch them together read them. And that's just 685 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: how it is. But there are a few things that 686 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, like, if you don't like this. We're gonna 687 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: have to have talk. We're gonna because it's gonna be 688 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: on because you're just you're just gonna deal with it 689 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: when I'm sitting there watching all nine eight videos of it, 690 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, eight eight videos back to back to back 691 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: to back. Yeah, and I don't want your snide comments. 692 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: Don't start with me exactly. We sound like we're very 693 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: We've got good criteria for dating, must like Harry Potter. 694 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: Check and that's why I'm not married, not that don't 695 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: want to be. Uh well, we do have a little 696 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: bit more for you, but first we have one more 697 00:39:47,800 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: quick break forward from our sponsor and we're back. Thank 698 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 1: you sponsor. So toxic fandom is a big topic right now. 699 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: I feel like fate geek girl, the tide is turning. 700 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 1: Where most people are like, that's nonsense, it doesn't exist. 701 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: There are definitely still angry men who are pointing at 702 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: any sexy lady that walks by, But I feel like 703 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: now there's women are pointing at them like m right, 704 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: So I think I think the tide is turning there slowly, 705 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 1: ever so slowly. Toxic fandom has been up in the 706 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 1: news a lot and it's just the fact that it's 707 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: influenced these companies to change their policies, says a lot. 708 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: So I wasn't able to find I we always want 709 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: to end on a hopeful note. Here's what you can 710 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: do well. I couldn't find too much, but I did 711 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: see a near feed. You can mute, our block and 712 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: or report toxic fans and your feeds. There's a debate 713 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: around just muting versus actually porting, because then it will 714 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: remove it from all of your followers feeds. So, uh, 715 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: perhaps a future episode on that one from YouTuber a 716 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: LB in Wonderland. There is no such thing as a 717 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: fake eat girl. There are only girls who are different 718 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: varying levels of falling in love with something that the 719 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: society generically considers to fall under the nerd culture category. Right, 720 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: So the fake get girl, that's a good costume, actually 721 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: being a fake gig being a real fake get girl. 722 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: How do you do that? I don't know you dressed 723 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: as the meme. You gotta have some kind of clever 724 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,400 Speaker 1: I'll think about that later. Um, I did dress up 725 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: as a generic enemy girl. I think that's what it was. 726 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 1: My character was generic Asian anime character and I was 727 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 1: wearing a school girl uniform that was just for one event. 728 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: It again, I'll never do it again because I actually 729 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: busted two tires and had to go to the varsity 730 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: and weigh on someone to help me change tires in 731 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: that costume. Oh Man, on a day that wasn't Dragon 732 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: con nor was it hell Wayne. If someone's birthday party 733 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: who loved Dragon Cot and wanted to have their birthday party, 734 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: that trader of Vix and so they asked us to 735 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: dress up, and I did it because it was their birthday. 736 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: I would like that to be known. Okay, you're doing it. 737 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: You were acting for a friend. I understand. I won't 738 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: make I hope there's no pictures. I've often felt that way, 739 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: but I guess our hopeful note. I just wanna once 740 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: again reiterate sharing is what makes fandom beautiful, what helps 741 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: it grow and thrive and become better, not shutting out 742 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 1: like a fandom that you never allowed a change and 743 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: you never allow new people in will die right. And 744 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: it's so much fun because, like I said, I get 745 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: caught onto your excitement. The reason I haven't watched and 746 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: I've seen it before The Winter Soldiers because I know 747 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: how much you love it, so I know it's gonna 748 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: be even better watching it with you. And that's why 749 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is fun even though like I like 750 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: it a lot and I watched it a lot, but 751 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: I don't like, I'm not all into it as you are. 752 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: That you have a costume that you keep sixing up 753 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: and making better each year, the arm four point Oh yeah. Um, 754 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: but like that's the thing is a true fandom. If 755 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: you're a true fan, you would want other people to 756 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: understand it too. Yeah, and at varying levels. Just the 757 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: fact that you're willing to watch the movie, that's all 758 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I wish we had video footage of that 759 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 1: time you read the list of best Marvel movies and 760 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: from worst to best, And as it gets further and further, 761 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 1: and the Winter Soldier hasn't been announced, right, number one, 762 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: number one, and then it was number one, this is 763 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: turning into the Winter Soldier podcast. I apologize, See this 764 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:43,920 Speaker 1: is fandom, um, but I hope that I hope that 765 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: we can make it a better place, a safer place 766 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: for everyone. Yes, and we would love for you listeners 767 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: to write in if you've had experiences with fake geek 768 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: girl being called out a toxic fandom. What costumes are 769 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 1: you working on? If you're gonna be at Giant contry, 770 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: I teen let us know. Come find it. I'll be 771 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: in all black with Any's backpack. Come find me my 772 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: very recognizable black back pack. Yep. You can email us 773 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at i heeart media dot com. 774 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,760 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast 775 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,280 Speaker 1: and on Instagram at stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks 776 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 1: as always to our super producer Andrew Howard Andrew, and 777 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: thanks to you for listening Stuff I'm Never Told You 778 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: his protection of I Heart Radios how stuff works. For 779 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,279 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 780 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or if you listen to your favorite shows