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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BED three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Volume podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. Today I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, Mike

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Speaker 1: padre My BFF Professional Better Simon Hunt et OSIMN.

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Speaker 2: Chad.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Brother, brother?

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to unpack. Later in the episode,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be joined by one of the most

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Speaker 4: Very excited that he's coming on the show. But listen, brother.

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Speaker 1: restrictions apply. All right, Matt Mitchell, great to see you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Simon, do we not owe Matt Mitchell

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Speaker 1: a huge bouquet of flowers? He organized the event, He

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Speaker 1: was in charge of the details, He was the MC

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Speaker 1: of the event. He puts on an amazing show when

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Speaker 1: we are there, because it's part you and me talking.

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Speaker 1: In this case, we had stucky in Jim Ruth join

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Speaker 1: us for college basketball. But it's really Matt Mitchell taking

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Speaker 1: what people love about the show and incorporating it into

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Speaker 1: trivia and games and giveaways with him acting as the

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Speaker 1: PT Barnum and keeping people occupied.

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Speaker 4: So Matt Mitchell, welcome to the show. Great job in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Chat.

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Speaker 5: It's like those old Vidal sasuon commercials where he would

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Speaker 5: end up by saying, if you don't look good, I

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Speaker 5: don't look good.

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Speaker 2: And that's how it feels, just.

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Speaker 4: A man with no that's right. I can appreciate the reference.

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Speaker 3: Like all of the best hairstylists.

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Speaker 5: Yes I'm bald as the Dickens, but yes, I had

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Speaker 5: a great time.

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Speaker 2: You guys were fabulous.

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Speaker 5: I want you guys in the correct ed space to

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Speaker 5: go in glad hand, which is definitely what you guys do.

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Speaker 2: That's what they want to see.

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Speaker 5: And they don't want you worried about, you know, handicapping

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Speaker 5: a Texas Tech basketball game. It's not what they're there for.

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Speaker 5: So I thought you guys were marvelous, but our fans were.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people drove from like three hundred miles away

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Speaker 2: It was insane.

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Speaker 1: I'm always surprised by this, pleasantly surprised and thrilled. I

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Speaker 1: who like goes deep into the archives and said to me,

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Speaker 1: you guys never really bring up the Blackjack years, which

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Speaker 1: who was a great guy. Just like we morphed into

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Speaker 1: was like deep deep into the weeds on Action Content,

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Speaker 1: going back to ESPN Content, loved that there was a

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Speaker 1: favorite at these events. Everyone knows I love love, So

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Speaker 1: when we see couples coming to the show together, which

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Speaker 1: Like the kid I met who's a grad student at

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Speaker 4: She ended up talking to me and my death.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, please put a ring on that, brother,

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Speaker 6: You we mentioned the real trooper was the guy who

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: And she couldn't have been more of a love. She

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Speaker 6: The fact that she came with that leg into that

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Speaker 2: To her and her husband, Chad.

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Speaker 5: That couple that came from southern Indiana was Kent and

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Speaker 5: to stay around. Yeah, complete hooliganism. I also want to

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Speaker 5: shout out Chad's father, So if you're at home, I

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Speaker 4: Barry Milman, Sure, yeah, just picture Chad.

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Speaker 5: Noman in an even smaller, older body, just as big

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Speaker 5: of a mensch, and he looks like Stan Kroncky, the

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Speaker 5: said the nicest things. What a sweet fellow your dad is.

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Speaker 4: He is a fantastic guy. I love him to death.

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Speaker 1: True man, that's a great way to describe so many

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Speaker 1: people in my life who said to me, oh Berry Moman,

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Speaker 2: Speaking to hooligans. You had a group of buddies that

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Speaker 1: I had high school buddies that came and this was

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Speaker 1: This kid who graduated from Indiana, Simon, he grew up

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Speaker 1: I went to Indiana. I had been on stage with

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Speaker 4: He goes, oh, you're a part of the show. Had

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Speaker 6: They were just football fans and just fans of me

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Speaker 6: They love final long during the season, and they love

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Speaker 3: So that was great. And yeah, piggyback off.

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Speaker 6: Like Matt Mitchell said, meeting Chad's dad and Chad's buddies

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Speaker 3: Like seeing pictures of young Chad was.

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Speaker 6: Really really funny, especially in your like eighties outfit, got

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Speaker 3: So Matt Mitchell obviously hit a home run.

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Speaker 6: It was just great too, just run into everybody true

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Speaker 1: Well, dude, you've just transitioned to my favorite part of

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Speaker 3: Someone, I'm invited to the vacation.

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Speaker 4: You can come on the vacation.

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Speaker 1: And I forgot that my buddy Dave broke out pictures

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Speaker 1: of me from overnight camp yourself. But here's my favorite

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Speaker 1: to the show. It's the second half of the Duke game.

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Speaker 1: It's about to start.

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Speaker 1: You and Irish, goodbye. Irish exited. God only knows when

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Speaker 1: I could not find you anywhere. I was surprised that

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Speaker 1: email pen pal member of Chicagoland's bravest, huge, lifelong, long

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Speaker 1: suffering Bears fan, Matt O'Donnell, came to the event.

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Speaker 1: Talking talking to asks about Mitchell and I point him

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Speaker 1: that guy eats wings with rubber gloves.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you, and.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget the college Basketball Crown which is.

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Speaker 3: The action is the juice.

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Speaker 7: doing like a twenty five dollars reverse jazz and sonics

442
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 7: and they were it was winning like every night. And

443
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 7: then uh, then our boyfriend the podcast never paid us,

444
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 7: so it was kind of kind of shitty.

445
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 4: Why how do you not have muscle?

446
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 2: I had? I had no muscle back then.

447
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 7: It was always all, yeah, there's an envelope coming that

448
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 7: I'm getting an envelope today, and then the envelope the

449
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 7: album never came and then it was like, Okay, we

450
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 7: need to we need to stop wasting our time and

451
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 7: disappointing ourselves.

452
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: Dude, you know it's freaky. We never even talked about

453
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: this when I was starting at Sports Illustrated. This is like,

454
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: right out of college, there was a Super Bowl in Miami.

455
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: Might have been ninety four, I can't remember.

456
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 2: That would have been Chargers Chargers Donners.

457
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly. I don't know if you were in school

458
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: then or not.

459
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: I graduated in May ninety four.

460
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: All right, So I was in Miami for Sports Illustrator.

461
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: We had decided to do a ex Simon wasn't even

462
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: born at this point, but uh, we had decided to

463
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: do a gambling issue, and because I was one of

464
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: the most recent graduates and could still connect with college

465
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 1: students at the magazine I was in Miami and asked

466
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: me to start reporting and like talk to kids at

467
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Speaker 1: U of M.

468
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

469
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: I ended up doing an entire what's called a sidebar

470
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Speaker 1: about bookies at the U.

471
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Speaker 4: Of M campus.

472
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: Really yeah, wow.

473
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Speaker 1: I spent a whole afternoon with a group of kids

474
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Speaker 1: who were in a fraternity at U of M who

475
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: were booking the Super Bowl.

476
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: I wonder.

477
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 7: I wonder if it was the saint one of the

478
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 7: one of the same guys. It could have been very

479
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 7: very easily could have been. Well, we'll have to share share,

480
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 7: We'll have to go back and look it up. So

481
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 7: we have to talk about that off the air. I

482
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 7: don't want to reveal any names, but you will any

483
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 7: trade secrets. But yeah, the the name would be recognizable

484
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 7: to uh, just some people.

485
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 4: That's too funny.

486
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: The surname would be would be would be.

487
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: Recognizable, Simon.

488
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Speaker 1: Doesn't it make a nostalgic for the opportunities to go

489
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: book on a college campus?

490
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

491
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 7: Oh god, if we knew, if we knew now, it's

492
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 7: slim and what we knew, we could have known then

493
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 7: I screwed that up.

494
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 6: The worst part of it though, that that work booking

495
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 6: with college kids and then having a track down when

496
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 6: you actually win to get your money was the worst.

497
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: I think everyone went through that, right.

498
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 6: Everyone had that guy that disappeared after he got into

499
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 6: a huge hole with a bunch of different people, and

500
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, that guy just left our school because

501
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 6: he had so many people with money.

502
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: So I'm with Chris, it's like the glory days.

503
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 6: But it was also man dealing with that headache of

504
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 6: chasing people and running from people was definitely a thing

505
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 6: of the past.

506
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Well, FeliCa, like, you're an og You've been doing this forever.

507
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're now legal, We're seven years into being legal.

508
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: We're coming up on the seven year anniversary of pass

509
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: the Professional Amateur Sports Protection Act being overturned. Like, what

510
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: do you see the difference between pre legalization and today?

511
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: Even three years ago and today?

512
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 7: You see I mean, obviously you see the market flooded

513
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 7: a lot more, with just a lot more people trying

514
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 7: to get their share of it from whether it's a

515
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 7: pick sellers, social media influencers, just just kind of creating

516
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 7: that crossover between like just okay, here, I know what

517
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 7: I'm talking about and you should pick this. Is it

518
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 7: more of a an information based thing? Is it more

519
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 7: of a an entertainment based thing? Depending on who the

520
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 7: people on social media that you follow, But yeah, I

521
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 7: just know, I almost wonder if we're to point of

522
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 7: or maybe we've reached the point as well. I'd like

523
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 7: to ask if we reached a point of like saturation

524
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 7: in the market, where there's so much information and so

525
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 7: many people out there that we kind of at the

526
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 7: point where we're going to start to eat ourselves and

527
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 7: maybe we're going to see a little bit of a

528
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 7: pullback on You're going to see a lot of people

529
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 7: maybe getting out of it, falling by the wayside, and

530
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 7: it's going to kind of get back to just maybe

531
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 7: not moderation, but fewer people, fewer I don't want to

532
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 7: say talit, fewer pick sellers, fewer accounts out there, or

533
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 7: are we going to continue at this level because it

534
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 7: seems like we're at a point where there's just a

535
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 7: lot of bullshit out there.

536
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, look, I feel like in eighteen nineteen twenty, everybody

537
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out how to be a sports

538
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: betting media analyst because that was their way to get

539
00:26:54,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: on TV. And I think very quickly there was recognition

540
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: of where there was authenticity and fluency with the language.

541
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: It's not easy to talk about these things and sound

542
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: like you know what you're talking about, right, you know, Felika,

543
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: When I used to go on Sports Center back in

544
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: the day before we started Action and even a little

545
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: bit after, the conversation was always who's the anchor who

546
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: can talk about totals, who can talk about spreads?

547
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Who can talk.

548
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 1: About bookmakers outside of Scott van Pelt, right, Like, how

549
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: are we going to have that conversation? Because the anchors

550
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: aren't that comfortable with it, and to their credit, they

551
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: don't want to be put in the position where they

552
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: are uncomfortable with it. So it's hard to find the

553
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: people who can even communicate the language.

554
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: I think that's a huge issue. Simon.

555
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: You've been sort of growing up in this space the

556
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: past five or six years. You probably see a huge

557
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: difference between the people who look and sound legit and

558
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: the people who you can tell are just sort of

559
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: doing it for the face.

560
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's always been this way, where I think

561
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: it's worse because it's so much more in our faces

562
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 6: right with social media.

563
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: But you guys grew up in the same thing where

564
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 3: I did. With the eight hundred number.

565
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 6: I mean, there's always guys in the radio selling picks,

566
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 6: selling their bullshit, and.

567
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: You'd call up right they do that.

568
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 6: We got three free plays this weekend and went three

569
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 6: to ozer call this number for the one play that

570
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 6: isn't free, Well, it's a guaranteed winner like that that

571
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 6: is instilled into gambling, the folklore and now it's a

572
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 6: little different because it's these faceless people, right, it's these

573
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 6: guys who make these Twitter accounts or social media accounts.

574
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: They'll sell picks.

575
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 6: People figure out quickly these guys are frauds, and they'll

576
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 6: delete the account and then make a new account and

577
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 6: then hit one of their parlays, post a ticket, get

578
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 6: people sucked in again. So I do think it's we're

579
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 6: in the weird stage of these people need to go

580
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: through these frauds and realize this is not a get

581
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 6: rich scheme, Like you're not gonna win millions of dollars

582
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 6: on parlays in your first year of gambling. And you

583
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 6: know that's the toughest part to watch it, because you know,

584
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 6: what are we supposed to do?

585
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: We all we can do. I'm saying Chris has the

586
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: same idea.

587
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 6: I can only focus on myself and try to be

588
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 6: as best as I can put out the best info

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: I can put out that I know is legit, rather

590
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 6: than waste time just bad mouthing all these people all

591
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 6: the time because.

592
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: There's no point.

593
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 6: Like That's why I love what we do is because

594
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 6: eventually you're gonna get figured out, like people if they're

595
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 6: gonna track you and follow your picks.

596
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 3: They're gonna eventually figure out, Okay, this dude's a fraud.

597
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 6: So I'm with Chris, like, I hate that side of it,

598
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 6: but luckily, I think we're kind of on the back

599
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 6: end of it. I think eventually people are getting kind

600
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 6: of wiser to it. And you know, me and Chat

601
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 6: we talk about this all the time. The news shift

602
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 6: is definitely the parlays, right, That's that's the new thing

603
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 6: in the sports media stuff where you know, me and

604
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 6: Chat like to give out our straight bets. We're now

605
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 6: in a position of, you know, maybe we should give

606
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 6: out one or two parlays a week because that's what

607
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 6: people like the bet. So that's that's an easy adjustment

608
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 6: we're trying to make, right Chat, We're trying to adjust

609
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 6: to what the people like the bet in the market.

610
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 6: Where as professionals we advise against it. But if it's

611
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 6: for fun, right, if there's a difference between betting five

612
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 6: I was on a game and betting one hundred dollars

613
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 6: on a parlay, right, So that's what we're trying to

614
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 6: really get into now.

615
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: And I'm with Chris though, like there's some stuff.

616
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 6: That makes my blood boil boil, that I see online

617
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 6: and I just I butite my tongue because I know

618
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 6: there's there's no there's no point, right, it's that crab mentality.

619
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 6: They'll just pull you down with you into the bucket,

620
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 6: so there's no point of viewing jumping in. They're just

621
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 6: gonna pull you down.

622
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: So it is tough.

623
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you know what, just let them, let them.

624
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 7: You don't interact with them. You just let them do

625
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 7: their thing. And it's kind of out of sight, out

626
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 7: of mind. But but you did bring up something funny,

627
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 7: and I do have to just say now and now

628
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 7: a message from the world famous chiny DeMarco, the ex

629
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 7: coach doctor Ron Beash has a five star winner. There

630
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 7: used to be that used to be Saturday morning ritual

631
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 7: on a prior to college game day, seven am. We

632
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 7: would get to the site and Fowler was like Fowler

633
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 7: was like leading the charge because he just all of

634
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 7: the laughable entertainment value we'd throw on the sports advisors

635
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 7: and you'd.

636
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: Have Stu Feiner and Ron Besh and whoever the.

637
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 7: Hell Kelson maybe Kelso Sturgeon, all all of the Jim Feist,

638
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 7: all all the the capers of the day, the TV

639
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 7: cappers and we used to just you'd have you'd have

640
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 7: Stu Finer in front of a green screen of Arrowhead

641
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: Stadium behind him, and I'd literally see his face in

642
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 7: just nine hundred numbers and eight hundred numbers. It's flashing stars.

643
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 7: We we watching the sports Advisors on Saturday morning. Used

644
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 7: to be the uh, the way we would get fired

645
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 7: up for college game day. He just instant last it

646
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 7: was great.

647
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 4: Well, I do think there's you know, it's Felika.

648
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: We just had this event in Chicago over the weekend

649
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: and we had you know, a few several hundred people

650
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: that came.

651
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, it was available, it was free. It was

652
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 4: free for the public.

653
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: You could have come out. But next time you can

654
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: be a special. That would be a fun one. Get

655
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Falika to comby a special guest. I was talking to

656
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids who just graduated from Indiana. It's

657
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: the son of a buddy of mine and all of

658
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: his friends. All these really smart guys, really smart guys,

659
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: not sort of the sort of Indiana kids who don't

660
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: major in business. These were the top of the top

661
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: at Indiana and they want to be betting heroes. They

662
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: were excited about the same game parlay that they cashed

663
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Speaker 1: for fifteen hundred dollars, and I looked at the guy

664
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Speaker 1: and he thought I was going to be like, oh

665
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Speaker 1: my god, that's amazing. I'm like, yeah, you and every

666
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: other fuck are on the internet and it's like all

667
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: anybody will talk about is cashing their five dollars for

668
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars ticket.

669
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

670
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 7: It's like as you look at like your thumb across

671
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 7: your kings and FanDuel lugs, that's all I have early

672
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 7: access to in Connecticut here, and it's just like same

673
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 7: game parlay at thirty thirty, same game. I'm looking for

674
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 7: like a like a nice deposit bonus or like a

675
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 7: fifty boost on a single game or an underdog.

676
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: Same game parlay, same game parlay, same game parla.

677
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, I'm not gonna happen.

678
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: I know.

679
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: So that's impactful for you because you transitioned from sort

680
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: of back of the house sometimes on camera but mostly

681
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: producing supporting, researching, to now being fully on camera as a.

682
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: Straight down the barrel sports betting talent. Is it what

683
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: you expected?

684
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it's been great, and it's something that.

685
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 7: When we when we were at ESPN and when when

686
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 7: perhaps the first first got overturned, like the guys involved

687
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 7: on game Day new fraud, and that was people always

688
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 7: ask me like, like what we you like? Maybe maybe

689
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 7: they'll ask me or I'll just volunteer and say, like

690
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 7: the thing I was most proud of in my time

691
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 7: at college game day and my time it was like

692
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 7: being at the forefront of getting wagering type information out there,

693
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 7: whether whether it was a reaction to a spread or

694
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 7: a historical note that might find a game interesting. We

695
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 7: didn't beat around the butch. We knew people were betting

696
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 7: on games, and we were just gonna be in the forefront.

697
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 7: Like but the challenge for us before it was free

698
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 7: and legal, and it wasn't the wild Wild West. Was

699
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 7: just a way to phrase it and get it out

700
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 7: there where it isn't just like, ok we're laying eight

701
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 7: and a half with Ohio State today. It was like, Okay,

702
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 7: they had the odds makers expect Michigan State to lose

703
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 7: today against the number one Ohio State.

704
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: They're a ten point underdog. But keep in mind.

705
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 7: Games at Michigan State, where Mark d Antonio's team has

706
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 7: been a double digit underdog, they've won nine of them

707
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 7: out right and covered that. So it's like a way

708
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 7: to make it informative where the average fan who wasn't

709
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 7: gonna bet on a game still might find that interesting.

710
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 7: But the fact that we're ably able to do that

711
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 7: made me very happy at game day. And I think, uh,

712
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 7: not only myself, but Lea Fitting who was the producer

713
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 7: for the time for a long time, Fowler Herbstreet. They

714
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 7: always saw this by it and it's the same thing

715
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 7: that you saw when you met me and ran into me.

716
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 7: Just the passion and the knowledge and the getting animated

717
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 7: and getting the New York Hans and voice going loud

718
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 7: and and they're like, we need to capture this on television.

719
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 7: And then finally they were like, okay, game Day expanded

720
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 7: to like three hours, and it was like, you've got

721
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 7: no more say in the matter.

722
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: We're I was always worried.

723
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 7: I don't want to look like an idiot and start

724
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 7: rambling and get going. And I didn't necessarily worry about

725
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 7: like freezing or being scared of doing it.

726
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know. And then finally, no,

727
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: we're doing it, and I'm glad. I'm glad we did.

728
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 7: We were able to figure out away with the board

729
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 7: and just kind of interacting and throwing some historical nuggets

730
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 7: in there at times, and it worked out well. And

731
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 7: that's one of the things that I don't want to

732
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 7: say it's pushbacker bows and arrows, but it's just a

733
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 7: little bit of depending on on your viewpoint of things,

734
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 7: like one of the things right now where I don't

735
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 7: struggle with it because I'm free, I'm fully transparent.

736
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: I say like, I'm I'm a researcher at heart.

737
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 7: That's how I got started in sports and numbers and

738
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 7: math and history and studying and digging through media guides

739
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Speaker 7: for a note in the middle of the night, like

740
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 7: all o, I'll come up with the historical, like a

741
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 7: bunch of historical notes about the NCAA tournament and what.

742
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Does this have to do with this year? And I like,

743
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: potentially nothing.

744
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 7: I'm a I'm a historian, I'm a researcher at heart,

745
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 7: and I'm just throwing some inform. Not everything that I

746
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 7: put out there has to be gambling, really, but I

747
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 7: will say this a lot of like the specific things

748
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 7: that I'll tweet out during football season about maybe an

749
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 7: unranked team favored by a certain number over a top

750
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 7: fifteen team or whatever. Like, the teams may be different,

751
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 7: but the types of teams and the situations remain the same.

752
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 7: So I do think there is some value in some

753
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 7: of those situational type type deals where you've got things

754
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Speaker 7: that fit a system. Even though, like I said, might

755
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 7: when I make a game in two thousand and four

756
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 7: between Miami and Florida State might not have anything to

757
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 7: do with it between a game between Ohio State and

758
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Speaker 7: Michigan in twenty twenty four, But if the situation works

759
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 7: then then then it's still something I think that that's

760
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Speaker 7: interesting and maybe follow away in the back of the mind.

761
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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you bring that up. We have

762
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Speaker 4: Evan Abrams, who I'm sure.

763
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Speaker 2: You are from.

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Speaker 4: Where is he by the way, I don't know where

765
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Speaker 4: he is right now, Matt mc.

766
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Speaker 2: I saw him on the invite. Yeah, Oh he's busy

767
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: doing March Madness videos for me.

768
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: Oh he's doing something else.

769
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: But you know, he'll come on the show every week

770
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: during the football season and he will always come on

771
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: and oh he's in there, he's in the chat, and

772
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: he will always come on and he will give this

773
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: incredible information similar to what you were just talking about

774
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Speaker 1: And I think the hardest part, Simon, I want you

775
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: to weigh in on this because I think this is

776
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: important for people listening is trying to decide how much

777
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: to let historical trends and precedents influence what we are

778
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: looking at in the moment. For me, it's always a

779
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Speaker 1: little bit of a mind fuck. I get it's hard

780
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Speaker 1: to determine when to lean into that and when to not.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but we say all the time chat it's just

782
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: another tool in the toolbox, like it's just something else

783
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 6: you can use try to find an edge. And I

784
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: love it because I am a big believer that history

785
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 6: just always repeats itself, Like you're always gonna have of

786
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 6: the outliers, right, Like Lesser City winning the Premier League

787
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 6: never gonna happen again the rest of our lives. Right,

788
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: This team that was five thousand to one to win

789
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 6: the Premier League never gonna happen. You know, Villan Nova

790
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 6: that what was eighty five having that crazy run, probably

791
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 6: never gonna see something like that ever again in the rest.

792
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Speaker 3: Of our lives. Those are outliers.

793
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Speaker 6: But a lot of other stuff, like you really dive

794
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Speaker 6: into your break it down. It's great info and something

795
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 6: you should really listen to and take serious. Like Evan

796
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 6: came on and literally told us if a team's greater

797
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 6: than what was it, eighteen to one or fifteen to

798
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 6: one to win March Badness, they're not gonna win.

799
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Speaker 3: Like historical data shows us the top favorites.

800
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Speaker 6: Even when it's a crazy year and George Mason's making a.

801
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: Final four, the Chalk team still is probably gonna win

802
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Speaker 3: the end.

803
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 6: And here we're sitting now with four teams in the

804
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 6: final four, and it's like, Okay, this is why Evan

805
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 6: gives us those type of stats where it's like this

806
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 6: might not ring true, but I'm trying to give you

807
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 6: guys an edge and the fact that mathematically, if you're

808
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 6: betting these long shot odds on these March Badness it's

809
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 6: a dumb bet. Go with the Chalk long term the

810
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 6: future market, it's going to pay out. And I mean,

811
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Speaker 6: like we just said, here we are, and it's like,

812
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Speaker 6: that's why Evan gives out that info. It's it's good info,

813
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 6: but he's not telling you to do it. He's just

814
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 6: showing you a path of the way that it could go.

815
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Speaker 6: That's why I love that stuff. It's like another great

816
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Speaker 6: tool to use.

817
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Speaker 7: And that's one of the things too, Like I I

818
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 7: was like, when you when you fill out your bracket,

819
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 7: your odds are you're only gonna want to use it

820
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 7: in most two number one seeds because people are gonna

821
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 7: think that all than all the number ones are gonna

822
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Speaker 7: get through. And it just happened to be an outlier

823
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Speaker 7: that that's gonna be a great question moving forward.

824
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Speaker 2: Is this year an outlier we're all for it.

825
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 7: Is it just a situation where these four or five

826
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 7: teams were just better than everyone else, or is this

827
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Speaker 7: gonna be the norm moving forward where we're gonna get

828
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Speaker 7: three or four number one seed.

829
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Speaker 2: But but that's one of all they're gonna we're good,

830
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: We're gonna get all four this year.

831
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Speaker 7: But I'm just thinking of like a historical play on

832
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Speaker 7: like game theory, like if you're filling out.

833
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Speaker 2: Your bracket, like you want to differentiate your bracket and

834
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Speaker 2: not have awful but hey this year.

835
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Speaker 7: But you know, as a fan, that's the thing that

836
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 7: a lot of peop people struggle sometimes as separating better

837
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 7: and fan like as a fan, having these four teams

838
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 7: the best four teams that we've said all year long,

839
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Speaker 7: and watching them play is great as a better not

840
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Speaker 7: having a single money line upset in the in the

841
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Speaker 7: in the Elite eight or the Sweet sixteen, and the

842
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 7: fewest historical upsets ever in terms of points spread, it.

843
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: Hasn't been great as it better.

844
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Speaker 7: I mean maybe maybe it's a year where the public

845
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 7: is doing Look the NFL public did great in the NFL.

846
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Speaker 2: I'm sure public's done great in college basketball. No underdogs

847
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Speaker 2: that won.

848
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is an easy business, Chad and Simon, money

849
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 7: line parlay all the favorites all.

850
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Speaker 1: The time, right, yeah, sure, what has surprised you about this,

851
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: this tournament that has these four number one c's.

852
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 4: Do you think that there is a sea change?

853
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: We're always trying to figure out get ahead of the market,

854
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: right in any respect? And I want to to ask

855
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: you about the NFL too. Last year was a really

856
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: hard year for NFL underdogs. This year has been a

857
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 1: really hard year for college basketball underdogs. Is this an anomaly?

858
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Is this a sea change?

859
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 7: I don't want to overreact, certainly in college basketball because

860
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 7: people the knee jerk reaction, and maybe maybe it's gonna

861
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 7: prove to not be a knee jerk reaction.

862
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 3: Is that?

863
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Oh? Nil? Has destroyed it.

864
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 7: All these mid majors and low major their best players

865
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 7: are gonna go to all of these teams and they're

866
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 7: they're gonna dominate and you're not gonna get these seed updates,

867
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 7: seed up upsets in the tournament anymore, or they were

868
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 7: just the points sport upsets. But I don't know, if

869
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 7: I want to just I'm not there yet. You look

870
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 7: at the last like you look at the last four years,

871
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 7: the seeds in the final four.

872
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: You had two number ones.

873
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 7: Last year, but you had a San Diego State who

874
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 7: was an eight seed and a Yukon who was a bad,

875
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 7: badly seeded team. They were four seed, but you had

876
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 7: Miami get to the final four. You had NC stated

877
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 7: is an eleven. You've had all these low all these

878
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 7: low seeds make the final four. So I don't know,

879
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 7: and you had I think the last I went back

880
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 7: and look yesterday I tweeted it out, but I think,

881
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 7: off the top of my head, it was like the

882
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 7: previous four years you had like eighteen, eighteen, twenty, and

883
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 7: nineteen upsets in the tournament to this point where you

884
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 7: had eleven this year.

885
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: So like, I'm not willing to say this is going

886
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: to be a year in, year out type deal. So

887
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong. I think we can get this

888
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: is a happy medium here.

889
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: There's a happy medium of getting the upsets early in

890
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 7: the tournament, but having your your higher seeds win in

891
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 7: the elite, Elite eight in the Elite. In the Sweet sixteen,

892
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 7: you get a final four with two ones, a two,

893
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 7: and a three, and you get that. Maybe you get

894
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 7: an eleven seed in this Sweet sixteen, or you get

895
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 7: a ten seed or whatever.

896
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: But getting back was funny.

897
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 7: I was thinking thinking to what Simon was saying about

898
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 7: some of the stuff that Evan and I have put

899
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 7: out there, like how history tends to repeat itself. And

900
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 7: I think one of the interesting things was it's something

901
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 7: that Evan might have been involved in looking it up

902
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 7: initially when I was at ESPN with Keith Lipskimb as well,

903
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 7: when we put together the NCAA tournament pack. It was

904
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 7: just this kind of and I don't know if it

905
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: was with West Virginia one year, I don't know if

906
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 7: it was with Iowa Stay, I don't know who the

907
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 7: team was, but like these unranked teams at the start

908
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 7: of the year that wind up getting a two seed

909
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 7: and you had two of them this year in Michigan

910
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 7: State and Saint John's where they were unranked at the

911
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 7: start of the year. You have this completely off the

912
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 7: charts great regular season, and the previous thirty nine teams

913
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 7: to do it, none of them reached the final four.

914
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 7: And the theory is these teams that weren't necessarily thought

915
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 7: to be good before the year, magical runs to the

916
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 7: final four in the national title games just typically don't

917
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 7: come from nowhere in that sense, and it wind up

918
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 7: did hold in true again this year WITHOU Saint John's

919
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 7: and Michigan State coming up just short.

920
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: Spartans made a good run.

921
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: But that's what's great about that.

922
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: We can all a complain, all the x ESPN heads complain,

923
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: can complain about a lot of things at ESPN. ESPN

924
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: freaking loves sports, yes, and the research to me, the

925
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: research group, whether it was you know, UH SIG or

926
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: any other part of it, like those are diehards. What

927
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: you and Evan would do in that entire team that

928
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: was involved in research in any way UH would do

929
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: with research and come up with those stats.

930
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: It's freaking glorious.

931
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 7: It was, And in part of it too, is just

932
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 7: you having the the financial backing and the creative backing

933
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 7: of being able to say, Evan Bear, go go build

934
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 7: an NCAA tournament database, Uh, go build an ap poll

935
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 7: database with all the historical spread like like being able

936
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 7: to just given free reign to be able to do

937
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 7: that and knowing that you're you're going to get a

938
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 7: payoff off of that was just incredible.

939
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: And still use it today, update him and have my

940
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: own stuff and do it.

941
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 4: It's great true story. In twenty seventeen, when.

942
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: I had gotten the call from the Churning Group, who

943
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: was the company and the private equity business that wanted

944
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: to launch what would become Action.

945
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 4: It wasn't anything yet.

946
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: They called and said, do you want to come found

947
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: this sports media betting business with us? And I was debating,

948
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: am I going to leave a very comfortable life overseeing

949
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: ESPN Digital and living in Central Connecticut? Bear and like

950
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: a kid who was a freshman in high school and

951
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: you know a little bit another kid who was a

952
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: little bit younger, and they've got a great life. Am

953
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I going to dump that to go to this startup

954
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: make half as much money on the hope that it

955
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: will all get paid back if we sell it. One day,

956
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm sitting with John Skipper, who was the president of

957
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: ESPN at the time, and one of the things he

958
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: offered me to stay was to take over Stats and Information,

959
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: which called SIG, which is like a two to three

960
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: hundred person group that is the heartbeat of every stat

961
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: every bit of research you see across every show at ESPN.

962
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: I think it is an amazing group.

963
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: Wasn't enough though, I was gonna say that that's a scoop? Yeah?

964
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 2: I know that.

965
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: Wowse are good times.

966
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: Bear.

967
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a little bit about the

968
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: NFL because you had a tweet the other day. Simon

969
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: read the tweet that he had because I feel like

970
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: you and I and Chris I'll have difference of opinion

971
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: on this particular topic.

972
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Bear, I thought it was really interesting you tweeted out,

973
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 6: you know, four or five days ago that you would

974
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 6: love to know how the QP position and depth and

975
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 6: development got so bad in the NFL. Is it a

976
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 6: college things? The guy's been said freegency that makes zero

977
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 6: Sense's what's your viewing that you just think we have

978
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 6: really shitty QB player? Are you just talking about the

979
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: back end, like the back five to thirty two.

980
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 7: Guy, it just amazes me that we are at a

981
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 7: point in twenty twenty five head the season that like

982
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 7: there is a demand that Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers

983
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 7: and Justin Fields like are like considered starting quarterbacks Like

984
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 7: like like, I don't know where where his the I

985
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 7: think someone who replied back like it's not that different.

986
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: There's always been really bad quarterback play at the end.

987
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 7: But is someone who watched the Jets last year like

988
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 7: I look, I love I rooted for Aaron. I was

989
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 7: excited when he came to the Jets, and it sucked

990
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 7: that the ruptured his achilles when he when he did it,

991
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 7: you're looking at a guy now that what's again forty

992
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 7: one started the year coming off with an achilles injury?

993
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 7: Like is the market that bad that you're really looking

994
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 7: to run out there and have this guy who with times.

995
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: Last year looked like he was done. Like if you're.

996
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, are you is that really

997
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 7: your your end game? And I guess part of the

998
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 7: problem too is maybe it's just a league wide pandemic

999
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 7: where so much of the league.

1000
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: Maybe is in the middle.

1001
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 7: But you look at what look at what the uh

1002
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 7: the the Bear like Joe justin fields like left and

1003
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 7: like what he was able to what the Bears like

1004
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 7: got for him, and there was no mark of him.

1005
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 7: And now he's making whatever it is, like like it's

1006
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 7: insane what the Jets are paying him compared to what

1007
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 7: the market really really was for him that just a

1008
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 7: year prior. But I lost my trainer of thought there.

1009
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 7: But oh yeah, the Steelers had that. You're a perfect example.

1010
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 7: They're a team that needs a quarterback. But like so

1011
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 7: much of the league now with the parody and everyone's

1012
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 7: in the middle, it's the worst place to be in

1013
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 7: the NFL. And like you kind of think, Okay, we're

1014
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 7: a quarterback away, we need that with one piece of

1015
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 7: maybe it's lightning in a bottle with Russell Wilson. Maybe

1016
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 7: we get one year at Aaron Rodgers and it's magic.

1017
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 7: But like, you're never good enough to like make the

1018
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 7: super Bowl, but you're never bottoming out where you're in

1019
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 7: a position to draft a quarterback who's ultimately going to

1020
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 7: be a team a team changer and get you on

1021
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 7: court your year. You're you're nine and eight, you're making

1022
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 7: the playoffs as a wild card. You're picking eighteenth every

1023
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 7: year and it's like the worst place to be in

1024
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 7: this So maybe that's part of it as well. But

1025
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 7: maybe the college part of it as well, with with

1026
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 7: the RPO and the in some of these spread offenses.

1027
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 7: Maybe the maybe with the portal now in college football

1028
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 7: where guys staying in the league earlier, they're older. I

1029
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 7: don't I don't know what the answer is. I'm curious

1030
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 7: to get your guys takes out, but it's just fascinating

1031
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 7: to me that we're just kind of recycling these same

1032
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 7: guys over and over again again. And maybe I don't

1033
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 7: claim might know everything about the position, but it's amazing

1034
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 7: the sport that I watch every Saturday, like and see

1035
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 7: some of the guys that are there, I'm like, why

1036
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 7: can't these guys be quarterbacks in the NFL.

1037
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 6: We've definitely seen a switch to where you know, we

1038
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 6: had that lost generation right with that Andrew Luck RG three,

1039
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 6: Like the only guys that felt like survived it was

1040
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: Stafford and Rogers, right that little like two guys out

1041
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 6: of that whole group that ten year run. We just

1042
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 6: even when Cam Newton came in, he had a year

1043
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 6: or two like a really incredible but was sustainable and

1044
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 6: we've seen now, I think just because athleticism now has

1045
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 6: moved to be such a crucial part of the quarterback position.

1046
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 6: Like you know, along like Tom Brady. As much I

1047
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 6: love Tom, we all know he's the goat. He wouldn't

1048
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 6: be in the league now. Like you go back and

1049
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 6: look at his tape from back in the night.

1050
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1051
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 6: He had he had led in his shoes, Chad. He

1052
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 6: could not move, he could not run. You can't be

1053
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 6: a drop back standing in the pocket pass and then

1054
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 6: I fun anymore. If you are, you're gonna be Derek Carr.

1055
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 6: You want Derek Carr and your team, Chad. No, you

1056
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 6: don't want a guy who just stands back there. And

1057
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 6: you don't want that anymore. It's evolved, right, You need

1058
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 6: a mobile guy who can move, just because the athleticism

1059
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 6: is just off the charts now. And it's funny going back,

1060
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 6: even like I I before he came out, I went

1061
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 6: back and looked and you know what were we working

1062
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 6: with in two thousand and five, Like who were the

1063
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 6: bottom guys? Because I just want to look at what

1064
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 6: Chris was talking about here, and I looked at the

1065
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 6: passing leaders, right, Dina looking at rushing just the passing leaders.

1066
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 6: In two thousand and five, the bottom of the list

1067
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 6: the worst quarterback in football Chris Simms not a shocker left,

1068
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 6: Witch was right above him, Trent Dilfer right above him,

1069
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 6: David Carr right above him. So it's like Aaron Brooks

1070
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 6: right above him. So we've always had just the shit

1071
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 6: at the bottom.

1072
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.

1073
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 6: Now it feels like it's more so because everyone wants

1074
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 6: alive to themselves to be like, well the forty nine

1075
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 6: ers got there with Jimmy Garoppolo right, Or you could

1076
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 6: say that Eli Manning got to two super Bowls and

1077
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 6: won two Super Bowls, like Joe Flakil got to a

1078
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 6: super Bowl and won a Super Bowl. Everyone thinks they

1079
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 6: can get away with having a bad quarterback. But I

1080
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 6: feel like Chris kind of nail it there that we

1081
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 6: ventured this stage of it feels like it's impossible now

1082
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 6: unless you have just one of the best teams ever

1083
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 6: put together where it used to be you can kind

1084
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 6: of hide the bad quarterback.

1085
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: Now to me, it's there's no hiding it.

1086
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 6: Like if he's not a great athlete, if he's not

1087
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 6: a great passer, defense, are gonna figure out they're gonna

1088
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 6: take away whatever you're good at, They're gonna take it

1089
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 6: away and make you look like where we just talking

1090
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 6: about a blow bottom twenty five quarterback. So yeah, it's

1091
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 6: interesting hearing your view on it, and I just think

1092
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 6: that we're just in a weird stage of we had

1093
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 6: a dead period there.

1094
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: We had these lost years where we.

1095
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 6: Didn't have any quarterbacks really coming out because there was

1096
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 6: a transition of that pocket passer to being mobile athlete.

1097
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 3: Like it's you look at the.

1098
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 6: Position now, Josh Allen. If you dropped him back, I mean,

1099
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 6: think how crazy we were about Mike Vick. You drop

1100
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 6: Josh Allen back to that time period, Holy shit, people's

1101
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 6: heads would be exploding. It's like, wait, this six or

1102
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 6: five white dude to weighs two fifty can bulldoze a

1103
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 6: linebacker and in the same move ship like shift off

1104
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 6: the cornerback and throw a deep ball.

1105
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 3: It's it's just crazy how much it's just grown the

1106
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: last twenty years.

1107
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 6: Like especially going back and watching film from two thousand

1108
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 6: and five, it just feels like a totally different sport.

1109
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 6: I don't if you have to SAand view Chris, but

1110
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: to me, it's just we're in different worlds now.

1111
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it isn't one thing that I was thinking of

1112
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 7: as well. What you were I say, before Chad jumps in,

1113
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 7: I wonder if this overreaching and like taking some of

1114
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 7: these quarterbacks too high in the draft and guys just

1115
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 7: absolutely flopping, Like whether it be a mac Jones or

1116
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 7: a Zach Wilson or a Fields or a.

1117
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 2: Who meant name the quarter you can go down.

1118
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 7: The list is endless of guys that wind up going

1119
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 7: in the top ten, top twelve that absolutely flopped.

1120
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: And I wonder if that's maybe part of it as well,

1121
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: where like teams take.

1122
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 7: These guys who really shouldn't go this high and they

1123
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 7: predictably fail, Like do we just have this negative.

1124
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: Kind of he stinks? He stinks, he stinks? Oh yeah,

1125
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: would they want him? He stinks?

1126
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 7: So it's like, I wonder if it's kind of like

1127
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 7: this self fulfilling prophecy on our end to just kind

1128
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 7: of be negative.

1129
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1130
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: Nice This is all contextual. There are no absolutes here.

1131
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: There are always going to be bad quarterbacks. There are

1132
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: always going to be great quarterbacks. There are always going

1133
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: to be quarterbacks who come out of nowhere and surprise

1134
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: you to become great quarterbacks. And there's always going to

1135
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: be quarterbacks taking the top of.

1136
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 4: The draft who absolutely.

1137
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: Flail and we're like this, dude sucks. I will say

1138
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: this about Tom Brady. You don't become Tom Brady because

1139
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: you don't adjust and what Tom Brady did, and I

1140
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: think what a lot of quarterbacks don't do. They don't

1141
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: spend the time to self scout. They don't spend the

1142
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: time to be intellectually honest. You cannot succeed in anything

1143
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: unless you are intellectually honest about what's in front of you,

1144
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: whether it's what your tape says, what your numbers say, etc.

1145
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: So you can actively improve for any better Simon, what

1146
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: are we spending this whole offseason doing self scouting? Trying

1147
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: to figure out where do things go right? Where do

1148
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: things go wrong in the twenty twenty five season. Do

1149
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: we need to make adjustments because of previous rules changes?

1150
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: How do new rules changes impact what we might want

1151
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: to be doing. Our favorites going to regress to where

1152
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: they were before. Tom Brady was a master of self scouting.

1153
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick was a master of self scouting. That is

1154
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: a gift that so many teams and so many coaches

1155
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: are not accepting as a part of their responsibility. They

1156
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: work out thinking they need to improve their body, they

1157
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: need to improve certain elements of their game, but they

1158
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: don't actually work on the elements as in depth as

1159
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: they need to. They can actually make them better because

1160
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: they were terrible at it. That's what Tom Brady did.

1161
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: He would have adjusted. He did adjust, And I would

1162
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: also argue it's not like Joe Burrow or Matthew Stafford

1163
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: are the most mobile quarterback.

1164
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 3: It is Joe Brow, Chadwick Burn, No, let me finish.

1165
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: Let me finish.

1166
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 4: They're great in the pocket.

1167
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: Their mobility is defined to the space that they are

1168
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: supposed to stay in and then ability to be creative

1169
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: when they need to be creative within a you know,

1170
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: ten yard radius in front of them, behind them, to

1171
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: the left of them, to the right of them. Tom

1172
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Brady was great at that too, only he did that

1173
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: within a two yard radius, right. It's just a little

1174
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: bit of footwork to me, that is the difference.

1175
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 3: Hey, he was a goat. I mean we're not taking

1176
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: that way.

1177
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that if you took him and he

1178
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 6: was a six round pick at that time because he

1179
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 6: was good in the pocket. He was a good pocket passer.

1180
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 6: No one would even throw his tape on now because

1181
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 6: it's like you need a guy that can run outside

1182
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 6: the pocket. Like that's what I'm trying to get to,

1183
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 6: is that I look at the NFL now, Stafford's been

1184
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 6: granting fathered in, right, He's of that last group like

1185
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers that passed. Aaron Rodgers was a great athlete

1186
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 6: too when he was younger, so was Stafford. But we've

1187
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 6: hit a point now of when I look at this

1188
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 6: draft class, like there's no one just standing in the

1189
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 6: pocket type of.

1190
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: Guy that goes high in the draft anymore.

1191
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 6: Like even when I go through all these previous shafts,

1192
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 6: like we joked about Mac Jones, you know, he was

1193
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 6: kind of a guy that was probably would have been

1194
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 6: all right in the early two thousands. Now he's not

1195
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 6: athletic enough, Like he's not mobile enough. He can't get

1196
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 6: outside the pocket throwing the run.

1197
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: His career is over.

1198
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 6: And it's just I look at our list now where

1199
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 6: all of our top ten guys we talk every year

1200
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 6: coming in, they're all incredibly great athletes. Like it's just

1201
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 6: the way it is where back in the day. Like

1202
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 6: one of my favorite errors was that, you know, Peyton

1203
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 6: Manning was a statue in the pocket. Tom Brady was

1204
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 6: a statue in the pocket. Drew Brees was a statue

1205
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 6: in the pocket. It was like, these guys were so

1206
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 6: grifted mentally. They didn't need to run and scramble right,

1207
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 6: they knew exactly where the defenders going to be. And

1208
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 6: I think what we're talking a little bit about here

1209
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 6: is that you need that smarts in the pocket. You

1210
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 6: need the athleticism now, and that to me has been

1211
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 6: the biggest shift of you know, people bitch every day,

1212
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 6: they're like, oh, we don't have the five thousand yard

1213
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 6: pass and in the sixty touchdowns. It's like that was

1214
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 6: the one year anomaly we saw. That's never gonna happen again.

1215
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 6: Like those are the forest outliers. Ever, it's just a

1216
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 6: new age of you know, these guys are gonna throw

1217
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 6: for maybe four thousand yards, but like Josh Allen, you'll

1218
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 6: see maybe a thousand yards Russian and him rushed for

1219
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 6: fifteen freaking touchdowns. It's like it's just so different now

1220
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 6: that you know, we try to compare it to the

1221
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 6: old age, and I just look at it. It's like

1222
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 6: we've evolved. We've evolved so quickly that these new kids

1223
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 6: coming in, Like we just talked about you know, Bo

1224
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 6: Nicks and what world is here? First round pick? But

1225
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 6: the new NFL he is now right and it worked.

1226
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 6: Like Matt Mitchell was losing his fucking mind about it.

1227
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, because he saw him in

1228
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 6: college for what five six years, and now he comes

1229
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 6: in and it works out. So it's just crazy got

1230
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 6: shifted now where the studs in college who are just

1231
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 6: dropped back passers, they just don't make it to the

1232
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 6: league like they used to. You have to be able

1233
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 6: to move in the pocket and scramble outside the bucket.

1234
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 6: So that was just why I want to push on,

1235
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 6: was just that, you know, I get where Chris is

1236
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 6: coming from. But like you just said, Chad, there's always

1237
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 6: just been dog shit from that twenty five to thirty two.

1238
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 6: It's just always been that way.

1239
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: So I mean you said the magic two words. They're

1240
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: draft props.

1241
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 7: If you guys seen anything out like it's in Connecticut.

1242
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 7: I mean, we can't play them on DraftKings and FanDuel

1243
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 7: or whoever else, but like do they exist anywhere? Like

1244
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 7: I know there's potswheyo, who will be at the number

1245
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 7: one pick? Yeah, who wants to Yeah cam Ward minus sixteen.

1246
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 7: But like in terms of like the second quarterback is

1247
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 7: going to be number of quarterbacks in the in the

1248
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 7: first round, like like stuff like that.

1249
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: Does this exist anywhere outside of the little bubble that

1250
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm in in the state of Connecticut.

1251
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 6: So the book makers I've talked to Bart, they got

1252
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 6: crushed so bad these last three years in the draft

1253
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 6: who they didn't want to put it out until maybe

1254
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 6: two weeks beforehand, maybe even a week beforehand, just because

1255
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 6: it's not worth it for him, Like they just they

1256
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 6: can't beat the rumor mill, right, They're just behind on

1257
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 6: the info.

1258
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: So I'm with you.

1259
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: It's been really interesting where I remember even last year

1260
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 6: I was able to get bets down after the combine

1261
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 6: on the draft. Yeah, on things like that, and now yeah,

1262
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 6: I think the book makers know that they can't leave

1263
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 6: themselves open to it.

1264
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: So I'm with you on it's brutal. Just been waiting

1265
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 3: for these propsical.

1266
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: Out Chad, wouldn't you I'm gonna I'm gonna put you

1267
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: as the book of Chad. Why don't you want to

1268
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: post these things get people in the door, and you

1269
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: know what, you lose a little bit and the player wins.

1270
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: You know what, the player is gonna do.

1271
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 7: Player's gonna come back, and players gonna bet that money

1272
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 7: that they just won right back at your shop.

1273
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little surprised that they wouldn't be more aggressive,

1274
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: even for really small limits, right because you're capping it

1275
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: at fifty bucks, you're still sort of letting people continue

1276
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: to play and put their money into the book. But so, yeah,

1277
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: it is a little bit surprising to me. I'm actually

1278
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: looking for at that three sixty five to see what

1279
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: kind of draft props I can find. It's hard for

1280
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: me to find him quickly right now.

1281
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: Will tell you.

1282
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 7: It's the thing I always never know if I'm looking

1283
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 7: under college football, if I'm looking under NFL, right, you're secial,

1284
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 7: so you're a special NFL draft tab.

1285
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 4: Look, some is right.

1286
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: There were years like just go back to the the

1287
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: Mac Jones year. Was he going to go number three?

1288
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Was he not going to go number three? And books

1289
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: got crushed on that because people like Simon, you know,

1290
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: they're connected to the league. They were hearing things and

1291
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're putting down six figures that

1292
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: he's not going to go number three, and that's a

1293
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: huge risk. And I do think that the books generally

1294
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: are looking to it's a lot of jocking. It's a

1295
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: challenging time to be a sportsbook operator, right. Everyone is

1296
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: trying to acquire customers, not to get into the weeds

1297
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: of the business as efficiently they can and drive revenue

1298
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: as high as they can because those are the expectations,

1299
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of challenges, and things are

1300
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: slower during the non football season than they are during

1301
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: the football season. It's going to be harder to make

1302
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: up that money on a quarterly basis for all these

1303
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: publicly traded companies if they have to go out and

1304
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: report they had huge losses in the NFL Draft and

1305
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: they didn't make it up. With the beginning of Major

1306
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: League Baseball or the March Madness or NBA just gets

1307
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 1: harder and harder.

1308
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

1309
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 7: Simon mentioned bow Nick. I'm sitting here thinking, and I

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Speaker 7: always like him. I'm like, in Matt, like, what the

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Speaker 7: hell have we seen in bow Knicks playing six years

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Speaker 7: of college football that he's going to be a first

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Speaker 7: And I remember seeing the yes no, will bow n

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Speaker 7: X be a first round pick and you immediately bet

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Speaker 7: to know and then all the the the prices and

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Speaker 7: then about a week maybe before the draft last maybe

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Speaker 7: it's a week maybe maybe a little bit longer before,

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Speaker 7: Like I get a call someone who was He's like,

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Speaker 7: Bonix is going in the first round. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 7: it's like Bonix is going in the first round. I'm

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Speaker 7: telling you right now, Bonix is going in the first round.

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Speaker 7: So fortunately I was able to actually make a profit

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Speaker 7: because the the yes price was longer than the no

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Speaker 7: that I bet. But uh yeah, I was stunned.

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Speaker 2: And you're right.

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Speaker 7: It's the it's the information and just being kind of

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Speaker 7: it can get ahead on. So uh yeah, I I'd

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Speaker 7: love to just for a book to just to kind

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Speaker 7: of put themselves out there and throw a what will

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Speaker 7: Jackson Dart be the second quarterback taken in the in

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Speaker 7: the in the in the in the NFL draft over

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Speaker 7: under two and a half or three and a half,

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Speaker 7: Because I think we're I think we're definitely gonna get

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Speaker 7: three and I and I wonder, like I do make

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Speaker 7: mcshaye talking about Tyler shuck, I could. I don't know

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Speaker 7: if we'll get four, but I think we're definitely going

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Speaker 7: to get three quarterbacks in the first round, so I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be over two and a half. Juice

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Speaker 4: We'll get there as we get closer, for sure.

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Speaker 1: And Jackson Dart is the guy you know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: dig deep into the draft of the next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy who's gonna be on everyone's board for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And then I'll throw on his Florida tape and the

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Speaker 7: Florida game where he was absolutely terrible and cost all

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Speaker 7: them as a playoff spot, and that'll be the that'll

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Speaker 7: that'll be the detractor's tape where it's a you want

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Speaker 7: to take this guy with the number whatever pick on

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Speaker 7: the draft, Look look at this game and he was

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Speaker 7: terrible against the Gators.

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