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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny is now twenty six years old.

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Speaker 2: He is a marine who left class on May first,

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Speaker 1: And what did he see?

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Speaker 2: Jordan Neely, a guy with forty two prior arrests, including

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Speaker 1: He said he was ready to go to rikers.

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Speaker 2: Witnesses described him as insanely threatening, sickening, a satanic bent.

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Speaker 1: They thought they were going to die that day.

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Speaker 2: They also saw a fight ensue between Daniel Penny, who

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Speaker 1: Yet, Daniel Penny.

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Speaker 2: Is facing charges of second degree manslaughter and criminally negligent

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Speaker 2: who's on trial right now.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that case.

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Speaker 2: What do you need to know, what's happening with it,

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Speaker 2: also going to get into this extremely broad pardon of

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Speaker 2: the gun charges and the tax charges that Hunter faces.

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Speaker 2: this just an act of fatherly love or is it

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into all these.

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Speaker 2: Topics with Andy McCarthy, who know from Fox News. He's

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Speaker 2: a Fox News contributor. He's also a former Chief Assistant

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Speaker 1: We've had him on the show a bunch.

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Speaker 2: She always does a great job explaining complicated matters in

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Speaker 2: ways that we can understand, so important topics. Stay tuned

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Speaker 2: for Andy McCarthy. Well, Andy, it's great to have you

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Speaker 2: great job. You great job of sort of breaking down,

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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure, Lisa, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So I wanted to start with this Daniel Penny trial.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty six now facing charges of second degree manslaughter

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Speaker 2: and criminally negligent homicide and the death of Jordan Neely.

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Speaker 2: You know, first of all, I guess you know big picture,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think as an old prosecutor, I recognize here

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Speaker 3: is brag I think, Lisa, this case is obviously one

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Speaker 3: there's been three days of jury deliberations. It's not a

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, and I think he could try him again,

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Speaker 2: But you know, you had mentioned that this hinges on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Penny is still alive and if you release

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Speaker 2: Is it a homicide? If you know? And I'm not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I shouldn't lapse into these terms that actually have

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Speaker 1: Right? Well, and I'm like legally blonde using uh, you

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Speaker 2: Well, because even if you go through this series of

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Speaker 2: So like, at that point, you know, I think feel

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what you just marshaled is what should

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Speaker 2: And by the way, he has been totally out of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but and I think that's all true. My point

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Speaker 3: Let him sue him civilly and let's see how that goes.

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Speaker 3: But to bring somebody in the criminal justice system when

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Speaker 3: You know, politics has nothing to do with it. There

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Speaker 1: To have I don't have died. I mean, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, look, I'll give you he died,

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Speaker 2: Alternatively, you know, I don't have a lot of sympathy

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm with you on that. And when I

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Speaker 3: You know, whatever you think of what he did, he

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Speaker 1: You've I've got someone.

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Speaker 2: Like Alvin Bragg, a black man who has made it

437
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Speaker 2: his mission to let criminals roam the streets of New

438
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Speaker 2: York City, who you know, by the way, they're killing

439
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Speaker 2: innocent black people, but he doesn't seem to care about that.

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Speaker 2: You have a cross secutor, a Manhattan prosecutor, Daphnut Yurin,

441
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Speaker 2: who's throwing the book at Penny, who reduced a sentence

442
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Speaker 2: for a black man who murdered an Asian college professor

443
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Speaker 2: as he was a drawing cash from inn atm. She

444
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Speaker 2: said that it was under the guise of restorative justice

445
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: ended up giving him only ten years for manslaughter when

446
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Speaker 2: he was originally charged with murder. So you've got, you know,

447
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: a woke prosecutor here who clearly has an animus, you know,

448
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Speaker 2: for anyone who's not black. So for me, you know,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Penny, if he weren't white, he wouldn't be facing

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Speaker 2: these charges. If Daniel Penny was black and jordan Neely

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Speaker 2: is black, no charges. If Daniel Penny white and Jordaneelly

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Speaker 2: was white, no charges. Literally, the only reason Daniel Penny

453
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Speaker 2: is being punished, in my opinion, is because these two

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Speaker 2: things that democrats hate. He's white and he's a patriot,

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Speaker 2: and if it was anything other, he would not be

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Speaker 2: facing charges in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to agree with me on that, but

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Speaker 1: that's where I am. Well.

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Speaker 3: The only thing I even potentially disagree with you on

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Speaker 3: is that I'm not sure that Bragg wouldn't charge him

461
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Speaker 3: if the victim was white, just because that's who Bragg is.

462
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: But it all is a racial morality play for these guys,

463
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Speaker 3: and I just think, you know, I think we need

464
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Speaker 3: to be mindful of the fact. Like I often talk

465
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Speaker 3: about how, you know, we have conservatives and progressives who

466
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Speaker 3: are like ships passing in the night, because you have

467
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Speaker 3: we on the conservative side who are saying they're using

468
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Speaker 3: the procedures of the justice system in a punitive way

469
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Speaker 3: against their political enemies, and everything's about race, race, race,

470
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Speaker 3: and it's like we expect them to say, no, that

471
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Speaker 3: you don't understand, and instead what they're saying is, you're

472
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 3: damn right, that's what we're doing. So I think we

473
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Speaker 3: need to understand and this is the reason why these

474
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Speaker 3: people have to be defeated and not allowed to power.

475
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Speaker 3: We're dealing with a movement of people who don't feel

476
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Speaker 3: like they have to hide anymore because they believe philosophically

477
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: that it's proper to use the the levers of power

478
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: in the system against their political enemies for no other

479
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 3: reason than that their political enemies. And it has an

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Speaker 3: interrorum effect on you know, people who were similarly minded,

481
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: and when they say, you know, like this prosecutor that

482
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Speaker 3: that has this case that you just mentioned, you know,

483
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: when she brags about taking somebody who committed a brutal

484
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Speaker 3: crime and getting it pled down to something else strictly

485
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Speaker 3: because of what the guy's race was. That's who these

486
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: guys are. They want us to understand and assimilate life

487
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 3: as if it were a Howard's Enn textbook, and there

488
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Speaker 3: are oppressors and oppressed and the way things are supposed

489
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: to come out has nothing to do with objective fault

490
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: or objective facts. It's all it's got to line up

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Speaker 3: to what their little morality play is.

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Speaker 2: I guess for me, you know, I feel very conflicted

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Speaker 2: about what Republicans should do moving forward. You know, I

494
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: know that there's a notion of you know, not responding

495
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Speaker 2: in kind and not doing to them what they've done

496
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Speaker 2: to us. And I understand that perspective. But then alternatively,

497
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, you look at terrorists, right, they

498
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: only respond to power and strength, and to some degree,

499
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Speaker 2: will these people ever stop until they are on the

500
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Speaker 2: receiving end of what they've done to others?

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. This is a mental dance.

502
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Speaker 2: I go back and forth in my head constantly about

503
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Speaker 2: sort of what the right direction is moving forward for

504
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Republicans after all this weaponization of the law, particularly against Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I agree with that. You know, I feel

506
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: the same tension myself, having been in the system. I

507
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: feel strongly that it shouldn't be used as a political

508
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 3: weapon by anyone. But the only silver lining I see

509
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: in trying to work that out, Lisa, is that the

510
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: voters didn't like it. I mean, I think in the end,

511
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: part of the reason that Trump became president wasn't so

512
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: much that, you know, there was an outbreak of great

513
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: admiration for Trump that changed the public's mind. I think

514
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: there has been some of that. I mean, I was

515
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: totally wrong in thinking that he had a hard ceiling

516
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: of like forty six forty seven percent that he could

517
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Speaker 3: never get past. And he obviously got, you know closer.

518
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Speaker 3: Whether he gets slightly over or slightly under fifty, we

519
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: won't know for a while yet. But he obviously had

520
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: an upsurge in popularity. He still got a lot of

521
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: people who don't like him, but even reasonable people who

522
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: are not Trump fans or fans of people who are

523
00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: fans of Trump, saw what progressive Democrats we're doing in

524
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: exploiting the apparatus of law enforcement to go after their

525
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: political enemies, and the more sensible among those people realized

526
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Speaker 3: that if they could do it to Trump, they can

527
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Speaker 3: do it. They not only can do it to anyone,

528
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: they do do it to others. So the uh. I

529
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: don't think that progressives are going to have a change

530
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Speaker 3: of heart in terms of, you know, gee, we just

531
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: need to do the right thing here. I think if

532
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Speaker 3: they see that this hurts them, they'll modify their behavior.

533
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Speaker 3: And I think the only silver lining I see in

534
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: this is that it hurt them. You know. I think

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Speaker 3: Trump may be president because they did this.

536
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, before we get to I want to

537
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Speaker 2: get to your take on the Biden pardon for Hunter.

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Speaker 2: I also just don't even know how he endured all this,

539
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: to be honest, it's like he's not even human, like

540
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: I personally, Like I had multiple federal charges, you know,

541
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Speaker 2: being pointed to my direction, and then after going through

542
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: the civils stuff in New York, the criminal stuff in

543
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Speaker 2: New York, and then also being shot at once and

544
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Speaker 2: then almost twice. I think I would be I think

545
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: I would be in the corner of a room crying somewhere.

546
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: So I don't know how the man has been able

547
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: to withstand all that and then go on to win.

548
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: It's it's it's truly uh remarkable.

549
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Speaker 2: I just I don't even know how anyone does that,

550
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, It's uh, it's truly remarkable.

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Speaker 3: He's a different kind of cat, for sure.

552
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Speaker 1: It's a different kind of cat. I think that is

553
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Speaker 1: all right. So now let's get to Joe Biden and Hunter.

554
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Speaker 2: You know, obviously, what makes this pardon so strange is

555
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: how broad it is and the fact that it goes

556
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: way beyond the tax charges and the gun charges that

557
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: he faced and or we're convicted of in terms of

558
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: the gun charge or yet if he could reach the

559
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: plea deal deal and the tax charges. But what's interesting

560
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Speaker 2: is it does start I believe it's on January first, fourteen,

561
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: when Hunter joined the board of Bresma that year.

562
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Speaker 1: So, I guess what do you make.

563
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Speaker 2: Of the long parden, the broad pardon, and then what

564
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: do you think that is really about?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think here's the obvious thing. Although I think

566
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: you know you have to you have to go back

567
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 3: in time in the story to appreciate this. They tried

568
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: to do the sweetheart deal for a hunter in it

569
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Speaker 3: was a jew. I think it was June July twenty

570
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Speaker 3: twenty three was when they went into It was July

571
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Speaker 3: when they were in Judge Norika's corporate Now, why did

572
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: the plea break down? It broke down because they did

573
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Speaker 3: something that was very funky that the judge caught, which

574
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Speaker 3: is that in a plea agreement, one of the most

575
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: important term obviously is what the guy is pleading guilty to.

576
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Speaker 3: The second most important term is what is the immunity

577
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: bath that he's getting. In other words, in exchange for

578
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: pleading guilty, as I the defendant am about to do.

579
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Speaker 3: The government lays out explicitly in the plea agreement, these

580
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Speaker 3: are the things we can no longer charge you with

581
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Speaker 3: in return for your pleading guilty to satisfy the indictment.

582
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Speaker 3: In this case. That's every single plea agreement, so it's

583
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: always explicitly laid out, this is what we can't do

584
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Speaker 3: to you anymore, and everybody has to have their eyes

585
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: open about that. Otherwise the court is not supposed to

586
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: take the plea. Because a plea agreement is just a contract.

587
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Speaker 3: There has to be a meeting of the minds about

588
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: what the fundamental terms are. So in Hunter's plea agreement,

589
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: weis the Delaware District attorney later Foe special counsel. What

590
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: they did was there was a plea agreement to two

591
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: puny tax misdemeanors charges, which were supposed to make all

592
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: of the tax charges, including the felonies, go away. And

593
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Speaker 3: then what I think is against Justice Department rules, they

594
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: took the gun charges and they put it in a

595
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: diversion program, meaning that you keep your nose clean for

596
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 3: X number of months and then that disappears. Two. You're

597
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: not supposed to do that with gun charges in the

598
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Speaker 3: Justice Department. But here's the thing, even though he was

599
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Speaker 3: pleading to the tax charges, they tried to hide the

600
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Speaker 3: immunity term in the diversion agreement, which is what got

601
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Speaker 3: the judge a little bit taken aback at the beginning

602
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: when she looked at all us then when you look

603
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: at the immunity term. They hooked that up to a

604
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Speaker 3: narrative of what happened from twenty fourteen going forward, which

605
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: was obviously written by Hunter's lawyers, and the objective here

606
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: without coming out and saying it, was to say that

607
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: anything that was within the framework of the narrative that

608
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: was attached to the diversion agreement was no longer going

609
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: to be available for prosecution against Hunter. So that was

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00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: so elliptical that the judge said, whoa, whoa, whoa, Wait

611
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: a minute, that doesn't tell me anything. What are you

612
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: saying he can't be charged with anymore? And what the

613
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: Biden lawyers wanted was for Weiss to get up in

614
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Speaker 3: court and say, any conceivable federal crime going back to

615
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Speaker 3: twenty fourteen to the present day is off the table.

616
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: Hunter can no longer be charged. And Weiss would not

617
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: get up in open court and say that why because

618
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: Biden was seeking reelection, and the whole point of this

619
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: was to not articulate what the immunity bath was because

620
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Speaker 3: that would be so scandalous it would hurt Biden's reelection effort.

621
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Speaker 3: So what they were trying to do was do the

622
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: least they could do to write an elliptical, confusing, vague

623
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Speaker 3: agreement in the expectation that the judge would just like rollerize,

624
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: they would slam it past her and that would be

625
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: the end. And instead she wouldn't take the plea because

626
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: she asked what is he getting immunity for? And Weiss

627
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't get up in court and say what he was

628
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: getting immunity. For the reason I lay that out, Lisa,

629
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: is if you look at the sweep of the pardon,

630
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Speaker 3: it's exactly what Weiss wouldn't get up in court and

631
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Speaker 3: say it's totally the same. It's the mirror image. The

632
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: only difference is the immunity in the pardon now goes

633
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: up to December first, twenty twenty four, because that's when

634
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: the pardon was signed. The plea was July of twenty

635
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: twenty three, so you know it was going to take

636
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: it from twenty fourteen to July twenty twenty three. Now

637
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: it goes to December first, twenty twenty four. But it's

638
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: the same thing. So what's the difference here. The difference

639
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: is now the election is over. So prior to the election,

640
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 3: knowing how scandalous it would be, they wouldn't say what

641
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: the immunity was, and now we're seeing what the immunity was.

642
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: But that was the reason the plea broke up blew

643
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: up in the first place. So that's what this is

644
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: all about. And what makes me insane is to hear

645
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: things like Biden says he now changed his mind. He

646
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: repeatedly said he would not pardon Hunter but then last

647
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: weekend he had a change of heart. That's nonsense. This

648
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: is like the same exact understanding that was on the

649
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 3: table at the time of the plea. And as somebody

650
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: who carefully watched both litigations, the gun case and the

651
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Speaker 3: tax case, Hunter's litigation strategy in both those cases can

652
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Speaker 3: only be understood if he knew he was getting a pardon.

653
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: So on the gun case he basically won't admit fault.

654
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: The evidence is overwhelming, and the jury convicts him in

655
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: like two seconds of all three charges. He never tries

656
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: to negotiate a plea, he never acknowledges any wrongdoing. He

657
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 3: just lets himself get convicted on three charges. The tax

658
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: case is even worse the tax cases September. September fifth

659
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 3: was the day they were picking the jury, which is

660
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: like eight weeks before the election, and Hunter would have

661
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: gone to trial in that case too and done the

662
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: same thing that he did in the gun case, except

663
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Speaker 3: the Democrats, even with Biden by then replaced by Harris,

664
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Speaker 3: they could not afford to have a six week trial,

665
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: which would be about the income that Hunter earned and

666
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: didn't pay taxes on that he derived from the Biden

667
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: family influence. Peddling scheme. So that was the reason he

668
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: was desperate not to go to trial in that case.

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Speaker 3: But if you remember, there was a highly unusual plea

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Speaker 3: where he agreed to eat the whole indictment. He agreed

671
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: to plead guilty to all nine charges. He never tried

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Speaker 3: to negotiate a plea. He never did whether a normal

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 3: defendant does and says, you know, I'll plead guilty to

674
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Speaker 3: one count with just three years of exposure to prison,

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Speaker 3: and you dismiss everything else. That's the usual kind of

676
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: plea negotiation. Hunter doesn't get into those niceties. Yeah, I'll

677
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: plead guilty to every count. The one thing I won't

678
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: do is admit guilt. And the judge let him get away.

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00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: This is a it's called an Alfred plea. It's an

680
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: unusual plea proceeding. But the judge and I kind of understand.

681
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: I didn't agree with what the judge did here. I

682
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: think he should have told Hunter, you either plead guilty

683
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: like everyone does and admit wrongdoing, or else we go

684
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: to trial. But the judges, figuring everybody knows Hunter's going

685
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: to get a pardon at the end of this, so

686
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: why should I consume the court's reason horses and make

687
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 3: a jury sit here for five or six weeks when

688
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: the guy is willing to plead guilty, and you know

689
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Speaker 3: we would otherwise have to have this this long trial.

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Speaker 1: And you're the first lady attending.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was just unbelievable. Unbelievable, and not only

692
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Speaker 3: attending the trial. I've seen that a million times. I

693
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: was a prosecutor for a long time, but attending jury selection.

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Speaker 3: Nobody goes to jury selection, but she was there for

695
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Speaker 3: being brought into decide the case.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me feel a complete idiot. But already out

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Speaker 1: there on this.

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Speaker 2: But to my perspective is this isn't an act of

724
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Speaker 2: fatherly love. It's an act of self preserve because, as

725
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: you pointed out, part of why Hunter are pled on

726
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: the tax charges is because Biden and the Department of

727
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Speaker 2: Justice on every angle they've tried to cut off any

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Speaker 2: avenue to Joe. Biden and his culpability with the Sun's

729
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Speaker 2: business dealings. We know that he's long lied about his

730
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Speaker 2: son's built business dealings ten percent for the big Guy.

731
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Speaker 2: He's been involved in phone calls, meetings, flying a Sun

732
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Speaker 2: on air force to greasing the wheels for these business dealings.

733
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Speaker 2: Hunter as a result, has brought in millions of dollars

734
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Speaker 2: from all these different countries, particularly Hunter. The date of

735
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: the pardon goes back to when Hunter first joined the

736
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Speaker 2: board of Barizma. We've already seen Joe Biden on camera

737
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Speaker 2: prag about threatening to withhold a one billion dollar US

738
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Speaker 2: loan guarantee to get the Ukrainian Prosecutor General fired, who

739
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: by the way, is investigating Barreizema holdings. And then you

740
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: have these irs whistle blowers come forward and say one

741
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: FBI officials prevented them from accessing Hunter Biden's laptop, which

742
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: of course had relevant information for Hunter. Biden and David

743
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Weiss in the Department of just has allowed the statute

744
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: of limitations to lapse on the Bresma money. So to me,

745
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: this all points to Joe Biden not pretending this isn't

746
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: about his son, because he's already used his son as

747
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: a pawn to go and make him money and putting

748
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Speaker 2: him son in his son in you know, potential legal

749
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: jeopardy as a result. So clearly he doesn't care about

750
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Speaker 2: his son. This is all about the big guy and

751
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: an act of self preservation. That's my argument.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: These I would have felt.

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Speaker 3: Really no, I think no, I'll get but I'll give

755
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Speaker 3: you I'll give you more ammunition. Okay, yeah, yeah, you

756
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: know what the case what what this was about the

757
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: way that Weiss handled the investigation under uh, you know,

758
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: the the guidance of Merrick Garland. Uh. The most egregious,

759
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: not just barisma, the most egregious misconduct in the Biden

760
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: influence peddling scheme is the period between twenty fourteen to

761
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: the end of twenty sixteen. And that's because that's when

762
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: Joe Biden's influence during the course of the scheme, which

763
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: runs to twenty nineteen. You could arguably say it went

764
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Speaker 3: into twenty twenty, but it's during during that six year period.

765
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Speaker 3: The time when he's most influential, which means when his

766
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Speaker 3: influence is most saleable, when it's most valuable, is that

767
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: period from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, and in that

768
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: period we not only see the Barisma stuff. We see

769
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: the million that comes in from the Romanian guy. We

770
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: see the three and a half million that comes in

771
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Speaker 3: from the Russian billionaire who is the widow of the

772
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Speaker 3: Putin crony who was mayor rot Moscow. The Chinese payments,

773
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Speaker 3: you know, the two Chinese schemes, they both arise out of. Remember,

774
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Speaker 3: on the Bohai scheme, Hunter actually goes with Joe Biden

775
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: on Air Force two to Beijing to meet with the

776
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Speaker 3: guy to nail the agreement down. And on the CEFC stuff,

777
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: the pay meant start as a result of things that

778
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: go on twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. I think

779
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: it's really twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. So all of the

780
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 3: most egregious conduct is in that window when he's most valuable.

781
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons we know that Lisa is

782
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: what happened the minute he was out of office. As

783
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 3: soon as he left office in twenty seventeen, Barisma slashed

784
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: Hunter's salary in half. I mean, it couldn't be more

785
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: crass that, Like, what they're paying for is access to

786
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: Biden and his influence. So all of this was always

787
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 3: done in a way to protect Biden. I've always said

788
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Speaker 3: that in the Justice Department's handling of what they call

789
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: the Hunter case, but was really the Biden investigation at

790
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: LEAs should have been. Hunter is the ancillary benefit, beneficiary

791
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: of the favorable treatment that the Justice Department wouldn't have

792
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: given anybody else. But their main mission at the Justice

793
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: Department was to protect the president. It so happened that like,

794
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 3: if they could protect the president and help Hunter at

795
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: the same time, they'd help Hunter. But the main thing

796
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: was to protect the president. So all of this was

797
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: about protecting Biden. All of it was about not ruining

798
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: the reelection effort. And the thing I think is so

799
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: precious for him to be coming out now talking about

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Speaker 3: the you know, the father's love for his son. You know,

801
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: I have sons, and I would probably be inclined if

802
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: I was the only person on the planet who had

803
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: the power to make criminal charges go away so that

804
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: my sons wouldn't go to jail. Would I use that power? Yes,

805
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, the honorable thing to do

806
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: would be to resign after you do it, because it's

807
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: a terrible abuse of power and it's a violation of

808
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: your oath of office. But I think humanly we can

809
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: all understand this. Here's what you can understand if that's

810
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: the way Biden feels, If this is all about fatherly love,

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Speaker 3: how do you let your kid get indicted? How do

812
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: you let him go to trial not once but twice?

813
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: How do you put him through all of this public humiliation?

814
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: If that's what you're concerned about? But what did Hunter?

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00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: What did Biden prioritize here? He didn't prioritize Hunter. He

816
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 3: prioritized the twenty twenty four election campaign, and had if

817
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: it looked like they were giving Hunter the kind of

818
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 3: break that he ultimately gave Hunter, it would have been

819
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: catastrophic for the reelection campaign. So that's what he was

820
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Speaker 3: concerned about. It's always been about his own exposure, and

821
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Speaker 3: it's always been about the election campaign. And I'm not

822
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Speaker 3: saying he doesn't love the son. I mean, I'm sure

823
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: on some level he does, but this is a bunch

824
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Speaker 3: of crap. How like you know, the last you know,

825
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Speaker 3: the last weekend, it finally dawned on him that a

826
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Speaker 3: father's love compelled him to pardon. I mean, you're kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Well, and then before we go also, I love how

828
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Speaker 2: he says he was selectively an unfairly prostate it when

829
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Speaker 2: you look at just on federal firearm convictions alone in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, ninety four point two percent involved some

831
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Speaker 2: prison time. The median sentence was thirty nine months. He

832
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: had three convicted on three federal firearm charges. And then

833
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: that doesn't even include the tax charges. That doesn't include

834
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Speaker 2: things he wasn't charged with, like fair of violations where

835
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: he was accused of sex trafficking as well off for

836
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: communicating with prostitutes and coordinating their travel across state lines.

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Speaker 2: So that's like and that doesn't include the breathe right,

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Speaker 2: so that that's even like a gentle.

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Speaker 1: This is a gentle. But before we go on.

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Speaker 2: Lisa can I yeah, yeah, but I just want to

841
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: say about your time, So yeah.

842
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: It's not.

843
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: The gun thing makes me not. So I just want

844
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: to explain this one more time because his people are

845
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: out there again saying nobody gets prosecuted for this. And

846
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: I think even the Wall Street Journal suggested that in

847
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: its editorial there's a category of plight cases that by

848
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: the way, Joe Biden with his gun fanaticism when he

849
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: was in Congress. He was always a big critic of this.

850
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: But there's a category of cases in the Justice Department

851
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Speaker 3: which are called lied and tried cases or lieon try cases,

852
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Speaker 3: And what it involves is you fill out the form

853
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: that Hunter filled out. You make a false statement, but

854
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: in the interim between the time you fill out the

855
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Speaker 3: form and the time that you're supposed to get the gun,

856
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: they find out that you've lied. So they find out

857
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Speaker 3: that you're not eligible because you're a prior felon, or

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Speaker 3: you have a protective order, or there's been some other

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Speaker 3: disability that's been lodged on the public record that would

860
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Speaker 3: make it illegal for you to have a gun. If

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Speaker 3: you find those things out in the interim between filling

862
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Speaker 3: out the form and getting the gun, the person doesn't

863
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Speaker 3: get the gun. And that's why we call them lion

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Speaker 3: try cases. And the Justice Department is always rationalized, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, look, we have limited prosecutorial resources and the

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Speaker 3: guy didn't get the gun anyway, so we're not going

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Speaker 3: to indict that case. Hunter's case is not a lie

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Speaker 3: in try case. Hunter's cases a lie get the gun

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Speaker 3: and then lose it. Across the street from a school case,

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing that gets prosecuted every single time.

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Speaker 3: And the only other thing I would say about it

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Speaker 3: is indications to me have always been I've never gotten

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Speaker 3: a satisfactory answer about this. I think there's two guns.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's one. The gun that they do

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Speaker 3: the plea deal to is the revolver. But the gun

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Speaker 3: that you see in the salacious pictures that the like,

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Speaker 3: for example, ran in the New York Post, which were

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Speaker 3: in the same timeframe, that's a glock. That's not a revolver.

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Speaker 3: So unless that was a phony gun, which I don't

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Speaker 3: have any reason to think it was, there were two

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Speaker 3: guns here.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, good point, great observation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's probably guilty for like millions of crimes,

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Speaker 2: but to an exaggeration, but probably hundreds. But all right,

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Speaker 2: so before we go, last question, does Joe Biden pardon himself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I don't think so. But I think the

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Speaker 3: logic of the pardon is you have to pardon everybody

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00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: else who's a principal player in the influence peddling scheme,

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Speaker 3: meaning Jim and the you know, the associates who took

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Speaker 3: in the money from the foreigners and then whacked it

891
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Speaker 3: up into smaller amounts to sluice him through the Biden accounts.

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Speaker 3: The reason I don't think Biden has to pardon himself.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Biden has had a meeting with Trump, right,

894
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 3: we don't have any idea what they discussed in any

895
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Speaker 3: of that stuff, so they who knows, they could even

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Speaker 3: there could be an understanding between them for all we know.

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00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: But Trump said many times that no former prosecutor, no

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Speaker 3: former president, should ever have to go through what he

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00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: had to go through. And it would have been very

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00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 3: messy for Trump coming into office if the Biden Justice

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00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 3: Department had decided to leave the two federal prosecutions against

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00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 3: Trump open, only for the Trump administration and the Trump

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00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Justice Department to try to have to convince Judge chuck

904
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Speaker 3: In to let them dismiss the case. That would be

905
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Speaker 3: a messy litigation. I hes Trump won, and especially given

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Speaker 3: the depth of the breath of the win and the

907
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Speaker 3: fact that the Republicans are going to control both houses

908
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 3: of Congress, there was no upside to continuing with that case.

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00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: But it could have been messy and politically difficult for

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00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 3: Trump to have to dismiss the charges himself. Biden has

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00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: caused them to be dismissed. Those two cases are gone,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure Trump appreciates that. And the other thing is,

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Speaker 3: you know, you have a situation here where in connection

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Speaker 3: with the classified documents, a federal prosecutor examined that and

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00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 3: found that Biden was too mentally compromised at this point

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Speaker 3: to be worth prosecuting, that it would be difficult to

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Speaker 3: take them to trial. I just think with that combination

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Speaker 3: of stuff, I don't see I don't see the Trump

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Speaker 3: Justice Department going after former President Biden at that point.

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Speaker 3: But I think the other guys. The only logic, the

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Speaker 3: only thing that makes sense to me after Hunter's pardon

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Speaker 3: is you have to pardon those other guys because Hunter's

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Speaker 3: pardon is so sweeping that he now has no Fifth

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00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: Amendment privilege. So if they're really worried about the Trump

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Speaker 3: Justice Department, they could throw Hunter into the grand jury

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Speaker 3: and ask him about all of the potential crimes in

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Speaker 3: the Biden influence peddling stuff that the Biden Justice Department

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Speaker 3: averted their eyes from, and they can ask about all

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Speaker 3: the people who never got charged with anything. So he's

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Speaker 3: got no basis to say I refuse to testify because

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Speaker 3: I'm worried about incriminating myself. His Fifth Amendment is gone,

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Speaker 3: so I don't see how you just pardon him and

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Speaker 3: not the other guys.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I think we can all agree that Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: will not be getting a data the ear mug for

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Speaker 2: Annie McCarthy, prief of your time. I always learned so

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Speaker 2: much from you. It's always such an interesting conversation. So

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Speaker 2: love having you on and just really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Lisea. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: That was any McCarthy. Appreciate him for giving us his time.

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Speaker 2: Always so interesting. I always learn a lot. Appreciate you

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Speaker 2: guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, but

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Speaker 2: you can listen throughout the week. Don't think John Cassio

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Speaker 2: and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 1: Until next time.