WEBVTT - Elon’s Border Adventure

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<v Speaker 1>Also media. Okay, I am also going cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Suck it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Maybe that should be our intro. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>leave it all in, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how fucking up my cool zone. Media.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, Robert, It's one we don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to answer. The answer is yeah, Reaganagan coins. Yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's what's funding, James. It's a common mistake mixing

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<v Speaker 1>those two words up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see, yeah, yeah, I thought it was because

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<v Speaker 2>we got into a dispute about who is going to

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<v Speaker 2>get the next gold coin that they send us. No,

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<v Speaker 2>every every month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's that's what funds are. Incredible work, your

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<v Speaker 1>incredible work mostly over at the border, that's right, ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Before thank you magic man. Yeah, right before and after

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<v Speaker 2>I go, I don't I've like Scrooge McDuck into my

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<v Speaker 2>giant pile of gold coins. Yeah, and it helps me recover.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, talking of the border, I am not the

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<v Speaker 2>only one with a giant pile of gold coins who

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<v Speaker 2>has been going to the border because friend of the

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<v Speaker 2>show Elon Musk has also been taking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you got to bring him into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well a certainly rubber he brought himself into this?

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<v Speaker 1>Why he got to bring himself out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Really this wasn't my believe me, buddy. I would

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<v Speaker 2>like nothing more than to never hear his name again,

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<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately addressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to hear it again, but specifically, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to hear the sentence from a news anchor

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk eaten by a crocodile. Yes, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking crocodile in a failed motorcycle stunt in the Florida Keys. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd settle with like hippopotamus, crocodile.

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<v Speaker 1>Any carge semi aquatic animal eating him would be pretty amusing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if a manachi ate him, I'd be fucking pumped.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be amazing, healthy as we'd love to see it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if any.

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<v Speaker 1>One carnivor amanity yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been training its whole life for this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be on our next merch drop. Okay. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Elmo in some kind of I don't know, like punished

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<v Speaker 2>woody cosplay.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a very costumish, it was, Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a saying in Texas for people who wear

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<v Speaker 1>cowboy hats and cowboy boots when they shouldn't and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all had no cattle, and that is he is the

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<v Speaker 1>definition of that a.

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<v Speaker 3>Classes I think really punched it up, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he just looked like a balland like I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really remarkable that he can be that wealthy and

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<v Speaker 2>always looks so awkward and like you could just pay

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<v Speaker 2>someone to buy you clothes, bro, And like, at least

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos got yoked when he got really rich. Elon

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<v Speaker 2>must still looks like Humpty dumpty, not to likes does

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<v Speaker 2>look Besos looks weirdest freaking like a plastic They.

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<v Speaker 1>All look weird. And I don't care about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Elon Musk is you know, he's not jacket or swollen,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not a wildly abnormal body shape for a

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<v Speaker 1>man in what is fucking fifty's Like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's older than I imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shit on him for playing at something he clearly

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<v Speaker 1>is not, because no man has ever been further from

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<v Speaker 1>being a cowboy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is true, he has very few cattle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no shame in anyone's body shape. It's just funny

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<v Speaker 2>to Mockylon Musk. I guess, so, yeah, Elon turned up

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<v Speaker 2>at the border, and he decided that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to learn about the border, and the way that he

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<v Speaker 2>decided he was going to learn about the border was

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<v Speaker 2>by assembling a collection of cops and one representative to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to him about the border, which many of you

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<v Speaker 2>who follow things like journalism will be aware that cops

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<v Speaker 2>lie actually quite a lot, and that is what happened

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<v Speaker 2>here unsurprising. So I guess I just want to take

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<v Speaker 2>this chance to a update everyone on what's been happening

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<v Speaker 2>since we last upbated everyone what's been happening at the border,

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<v Speaker 2>and be just address some of these myths. I know

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<v Speaker 2>something we talked about over the break was like lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people between now and the end of the year

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<v Speaker 2>will be seeing family members who they might not see

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<v Speaker 2>very often, and they might not see them too now

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<v Speaker 2>in the next election. And there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>myths specifically about migration that we will maybe copy in

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<v Speaker 2>another episode. But I think there's some valuable stuff here

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<v Speaker 2>that people can address. If people in your circle have

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<v Speaker 2>been influenced by Elon Musk citizen journalism, then I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's really important to just point out that it's all bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>Then so easily discoverably bullshit. Now, obviously, not everyone spends

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<v Speaker 2>as much time at the southern border of the United

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<v Speaker 2>States as I do, and not everyone lives on the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Elon must doesn't live on the border either, and he

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<v Speaker 2>clearly thinks that people who do exist in some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wild West fantasia where people, you know, wear cowboy

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<v Speaker 2>hats and cowboy boots. But like for most of us,

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<v Speaker 2>for many of us, it's is our day to day reality,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's easy to go, I guess and talk

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<v Speaker 2>to some cops and like wave at some people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been corralled up, like like they like cattle or

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of animals. Yeah, right, like not engaging with

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<v Speaker 2>them as people and throughout this right, Like, at no

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<v Speaker 2>point in his little border screed, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you have to watch, by the way, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>watched it, like I'm very now.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not you're not going to like benefit from it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you won't learn shit.

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<v Speaker 3>But there is there is a clip I found that's

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<v Speaker 3>like a minute long on YouTube from the live stream

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<v Speaker 3>where the like maybe like most ninety percent of it

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<v Speaker 3>is him trying to flip the camera to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That was that was very funny. Yeah that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>real iron man vibes from the guy who can't reverse

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<v Speaker 2>his camera and then he ends up just holding it

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<v Speaker 2>the way around in mode. Yeah it's intellectual, Yeah no,

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<v Speaker 2>titan elil Musk. So I think the first part is

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<v Speaker 2>that when he starts to well, first he says as

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<v Speaker 2>an immigrant myself, which is like, yeah, bro, I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant to the differences. I didn't have to walk across

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<v Speaker 2>the desert carrying my child and then be detained in

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<v Speaker 2>open air concentration camp while people around me got fucking

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<v Speaker 2>hypothermia and then questioned about the legitimacy of my travel

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<v Speaker 2>and right to be here, and then I'm able to

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<v Speaker 2>work for years. Migration experiences are different, different, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a right to condescend to people who are

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<v Speaker 2>often among some of the least fortunate people in the

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<v Speaker 2>world just because your mum was a Canadian citizen and

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<v Speaker 2>you came here to go to school, Like, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking same. And I say this as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>came here to go to school, right, Like it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The same as if like I were to take a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking flight from North Africa to Spain and be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>having migrated to Spain from Africa, Like, it's really not

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<v Speaker 1>a dangerous journey. Yeah, it's a completely different situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, yeah, And you compare yourself to Amelia Heart

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<v Speaker 2>and the same it's no different. So yeah, like Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk came to this country in a very different circumstance

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<v Speaker 2>to many of these people. The first claim that's made

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<v Speaker 2>in this video, which is which is bullshit, is this

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote open border policy. Now, at no point do

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<v Speaker 2>any of these like old men in hats define what

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<v Speaker 2>they mean by open border policy. And that's because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist. It's not a thing. There is no open

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<v Speaker 2>border policy. There has never been an open border policy Biden's.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was in Tijuana at the ped West people

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<v Speaker 2>know where that is, so at that point in time

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<v Speaker 2>that on the day Biden was inaugurated, I was there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I was there because a large group of migrants were

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to see if Joe Biden would change any think

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<v Speaker 2>and they had been stuck in Tijuana for months years

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases. I spoke to people who had been

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<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulted. I spoke to people who had been robbed,

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to people who lived in fear for their lives. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were not safe in Mexico and wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>come to the United States. And they had seen the

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<v Speaker 2>way Biden campaigned, and they hoped that he would do

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<v Speaker 2>something better. Did he fuck know? He did not. For years,

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<v Speaker 2>he continued the same policies that Trump put in place

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<v Speaker 2>in COVID. Biden Title forty two more people than Trump did. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>The Title forty two policy was in place for much

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<v Speaker 2>longer under Biden than it was under Trump. It's completely

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<v Speaker 2>untrue to suggest that Biden not at any point in

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<v Speaker 2>his presidency opened up the border. What did happen in May,

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<v Speaker 2>as people will be aware, is that Title forty two ended.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't end because Biden decided it had to end.

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<v Speaker 2>It ended because the emergency for COVID nineteen ended. And

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<v Speaker 2>Title forty two is not immigration or public health law.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with the end of this policy, that allowed

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<v Speaker 2>the government to do things that would not normally be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do because it was a quote unquote emergency,

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<v Speaker 2>they were not able to do this extraordinary and extraordinarily

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<v Speaker 2>cruel thing, which which was Title forty two. Right. That

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a Biden choice, that that was an end that

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<v Speaker 2>was a decision forced upon him. Indeed, the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 2>defended Title forty two in court. What has happened since

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<v Speaker 2>then is that migrant numbers have dropped. They have decreased

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<v Speaker 2>since the end of Title forty two. That's because lots

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<v Speaker 2>of people saw the harsh anti migration rhetoric that was

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the Biden White House, right Mayorcus out there

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<v Speaker 2>spouting stuff about bans. You'll be banned from seeking asylum

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<v Speaker 2>for five years if your court crossing between ports of entry,

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<v Speaker 2>and that led to people thinking they had to cross

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<v Speaker 2>before the end of Title forty two. Right now, what

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<v Speaker 2>Title forty two did do is create a massive backlog

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<v Speaker 2>of asylum applications because we weren't processing those applications and

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<v Speaker 2>we were bouncing people back to Mexico, where as I've

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully already illustrated, they were not safe. They didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>that that was a safe third country for them, and

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<v Speaker 2>so in the months after Title forty two, those people

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<v Speaker 2>have tried to cross and to make their asylum applications right,

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<v Speaker 2>they're supposed to use app called CBP one. As we've

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<v Speaker 2>documented in very great detail, that app is completely unfit

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<v Speaker 2>for purpose. And people can listen to my title forty

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<v Speaker 2>two episodes. They can listen to the interview when it

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<v Speaker 2>did with Jake and Austin about CBP one. The issues

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<v Speaker 2>with it are many. The facial liveness scan that it

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<v Speaker 2>does doesn't work for people who have darker skin, It

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<v Speaker 2>requires Wi Fi, it requires Internet connectivity. These are things

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<v Speaker 2>that no long migrants have and that the migrants who

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<v Speaker 2>do have tend to be richer and tend to be whiter,

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<v Speaker 2>So it facilitates a certain type of migrant. At one

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<v Speaker 2>point in I believe April of this year, forty percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the CBP one applications that were CBP one appointments

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<v Speaker 2>that were made for Sylum applications were made for people

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<v Speaker 2>who spoke Russian. People who spoke Russian are not forty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the migrants that was in Tijuana. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess what that means is that people who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in my experience, people from African countries are unable

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<v Speaker 2>to apply for appointments using CBP one. Also, it's only

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<v Speaker 2>available in a couple of languages, or three languages I believe, English, Spanish,

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<v Speaker 2>and Haitian Creole. If you don't speak those languages is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot harder there are many other

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<v Speaker 2>issues with CBP one and other apps at dhs uses.

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<v Speaker 2>But what has happened since the end of Title forty

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<v Speaker 2>two in May, right is people have tried. This backlog

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<v Speaker 2>has begun to sort of people have started to try

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<v Speaker 2>and present their applications. And what's happening now is that

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<v Speaker 2>people are crossing in very large numbers. That's not untrue

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<v Speaker 2>that happens at this time of year. So the last

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<v Speaker 2>kind of quote unquote normal years we had were I

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<v Speaker 2>suppose twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. If people cast their

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<v Speaker 2>minds back to the November of twenty eighteen, you remember

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<v Speaker 2>that was the Trump midterm and you remember they quite

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<v Speaker 2>unquote migrant caravan that arrived in Tijuana at that time

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<v Speaker 2>with thousands of people. The reason that people are always

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<v Speaker 2>traveling at this time of year is because it is

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<v Speaker 2>easier to travel in the months and not as hot, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So we will see more people arriving the next few months.

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<v Speaker 2>That's part of seasonal migrations because of demand for work.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're working harvesting things right as a day laborer,

0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that happens at the end of the summer. This is

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<v Speaker 2>part of a normal and natural cycle people have always

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<v Speaker 2>traveled since human beings have existed, to take advantage of

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<v Speaker 2>different conditions, different access to resources. But the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>at some point Biden instituted an open border policy is nonsense.

0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Biden has closed that border right, He's built walls through

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<v Speaker 2>Friendship Park, He's built walls in Texas, he's built walls

0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:52.240
<v Speaker 2>in California, he's funded DHS more. That border is certainly

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<v Speaker 2>not open. The large groups of people that you are

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<v Speaker 2>seeing going through the asylum process the US immigration law,

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<v Speaker 2>as they have under every other president. Right, they come

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<v Speaker 2>into the United States, they do an initial interview, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're released with a notice to appear in court. That's

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<v Speaker 2>always been the case. Now are those notices to appear

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<v Speaker 2>for dates at further in the future. Now, Absolutely, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's because our system is backlogged. Right, because we spent

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<v Speaker 2>all our fucking money on giving border patrol black hawks,

0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.800
<v Speaker 2>giving our cops tanks, whatever it is that we spend

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<v Speaker 2>our money on, we haven't spent it on making it

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<v Speaker 2>easier and quicker for these people to get their asylum claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Adjudicated one of the claims that they make in the video,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm skipping out of the order that they make them in.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the repute. He speaking to a representative who's

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<v Speaker 2>representative for the Southern Water region of Texas. He's in

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<v Speaker 2>Eagle Past, Texas, right, which is an area which I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen a lot of migration. The guy says, there's no

0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.880
<v Speaker 2>repatriation here. Of course, there isn't any repatriation there. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not what happens in Eagle Past.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>People come, Some of them will be immediately patriated if

0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.720
<v Speaker 2>they are found to be For instance, I know that

0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.720
<v Speaker 2>in May, somebody who was found to be on the

0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.640
<v Speaker 2>United States terrorism watch list tried to enter the country.

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<v Speaker 2>That that person wasn't released with a notice to appear right.

0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That person was immediately bounced into either return to their

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<v Speaker 2>country or more likely in their case, incarcerated. Some people

0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.120
<v Speaker 2>will be detained there. Some people will be repatriated there,

0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:25.320
<v Speaker 2>but that's because like del Rio, Texas or Eagle Pass

0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.000
<v Speaker 2>doesn't repatriate people. That's not their role. The courts are

0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.720
<v Speaker 2>the ones who decide who is eligible for Assyglent right.

0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.360
<v Speaker 2>And it's worth noting that this fiscal year, so that's

0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.960
<v Speaker 2>through August of twenty twenty three, recording in October. But

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find September stats. Immigration judges have issued removal

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<v Speaker 2>and voluntary departure orders for thirty nine point four percent

0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.360
<v Speaker 2>of completed cases, totaling two hundred and twenty three thousand,

0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.880
<v Speaker 2>five hundred and seventy deportation orders. So it's absolutely ludicrous

0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to say that there's no repatriation. Nearly half of those

0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:03.280
<v Speaker 2>cases when they come to court, result in repatriation. It's

0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the representative claims that he called the president of Guatemalan

0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the Guatemalan presidents and will take people back.

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<v Speaker 1>Great.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they will. That that's how international law works.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the Guatemalan president's job to decide who is

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<v Speaker 2>decide who is allowed asylum in the United States. That's

0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.840
<v Speaker 2>the job of the immigration courts. They are deeply flawed.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's ludicrous to suggests that these people are not

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<v Speaker 2>being sent back, because a deeply problematic number of them

0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.800
<v Speaker 2>are being sent back, often to very dangerous situations. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's deeply misleading and it's troubling to

0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.400
<v Speaker 2>see like elected officials making these claims. I know that

0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:47.040
<v Speaker 2>elected officials just lie to you know, to to reinforce

0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:50.120
<v Speaker 2>a narrative, but it's still troubling another claim. They were

0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.800
<v Speaker 2>like he was really shocked that people were playing golf

0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.680
<v Speaker 2>next to the border. The US border is thousands of

0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.000
<v Speaker 2>miles long, like we live, like for those of us,

0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.040
<v Speaker 2>for whom it's not like an oddity to come and

0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.680
<v Speaker 2>caseplay at It's where we live, and of course we

0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.880
<v Speaker 2>do stuff near the border because it's our home. Like

0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.280
<v Speaker 2>I was camping near the border this week. I ride

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.160
<v Speaker 2>my bike near the border all the time. There are

0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.600
<v Speaker 2>other golf courses near the border. There are parks near

0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the border, and there's a Tommy Hill figure discount store

0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.880
<v Speaker 2>near the border in Santa Sedro.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, it's our home, Yeah, yeah, it's This is

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<v Speaker 1>something that when we were at the Butterfly Sanctuary, a

0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.880
<v Speaker 1>friend of ours who had kind of lived on the

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<v Speaker 1>border for forever, Marianna, brought up a lot, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that like prior to the you know, September eleventh, in particular,

0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.680
<v Speaker 1>these were just like communities, Like the fact that there

0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.640
<v Speaker 1>was a border was more theoretical than anything else. You

0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.080
<v Speaker 1>would cross pretty free. I have friends in southern California

0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:47.720
<v Speaker 1>that go into Mexico for the weekend. You didn't have

0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.800
<v Speaker 1>a pass border or anything like families, you know, would

0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.040
<v Speaker 1>cross to be with each other and stuff like it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the way it is.

0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Even post nine eleven. Like for those of us who

0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.880
<v Speaker 2>are fortunate enough to have century, which is an expediti

0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you can skip the line basically because you've been pre cleared.

0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I go to Tijuana to have dinner pretty often, Like

0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll take the trolley down there and then walk through

0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.280
<v Speaker 2>with my bicycle and then ride my bike to the

0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.760
<v Speaker 2>gastro park or something, have dinner, have a couple of beers,

0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.399
<v Speaker 2>rid my back back, take the trolley back. It's a

0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:17.000
<v Speaker 2>nice evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I don't know how cold it is now,

0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.480
<v Speaker 3>but like a lot of like people that work like

0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.720
<v Speaker 3>nine to five retail jobs or whatever it is, they

0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.600
<v Speaker 3>would just like lead to Ona and come back, Like

0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.560
<v Speaker 3>my dad had hired a bunch of those workers, and

0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.960
<v Speaker 3>it was just like normal, was very normal to do that.

0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.639
<v Speaker 2>More so now because San Diego is less affordable than

0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:37.480
<v Speaker 2>it as it has been.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, I think the people that don't live near

0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:46.240
<v Speaker 3>a border or like believe the Rickulus claims me about it,

0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.600
<v Speaker 3>I think they imagine the border is like in this

0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.359
<v Speaker 3>barren wasteland and it's just like a chain link fence

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.639
<v Speaker 3>or something. I don't think they understand what it actually is.

0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:01.400
<v Speaker 1>They imagine like this desolate, yellow filtered scene from Breaking Bad. Yes, exactly,

0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:04.359
<v Speaker 1>like movies like fucking Sacario, right where it's this this

0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:08.399
<v Speaker 1>constant series of gunfights and like like violence occurs on

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the border. It's the same thing. It's actually a version

0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.199
<v Speaker 1>of the same shit that's happened with like San Francisco

0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and Portland.

0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you have like a riot on a block, or

0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.199
<v Speaker 1>you'll have like a store get robbed, and then people

0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.040
<v Speaker 1>develop this because it gets so hyped by the media.

0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.880
<v Speaker 1>There's you can't go into these cities. They're death zones,

0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.200
<v Speaker 1>you know. It was like no man, like a fucking

0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.840
<v Speaker 1>most most of its nature, right, Like that's the fucking border.

0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just a place like it's it's not in

0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 2>any way remarkable like that.

0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And the primary danger is the fact that people are

0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.160
<v Speaker 1>stopped from having access to like things like water that

0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>they need, yeah, by the state.

0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.119
<v Speaker 2>So maybe it's a good time to talk about some

0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.720
<v Speaker 2>of the dangers that migrants are facing right now. In

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the last couple of weeks, it's maybe since we last recorded,

0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.879
<v Speaker 2>I believe five migrants have been shot on the southern

0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 2>of the border people, so like this week in southern California,

0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it's much colder. I know it's hot in lots of

0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.480
<v Speaker 2>parts of the country, it wasn't here. We had rain

0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.560
<v Speaker 2>we're recording on like the first second of October. But

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 2>last weekend was very cold. I was in a camp

0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:24.040
<v Speaker 2>near Hakumba on Friday night through late Friday night maybe

0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 2>into Saturday morning, and it was cold. It was wet.

0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Temperatures were getting like into the single digits celsius into

0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the forties and fifties fahrenheit. When it's wet and it's

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.400
<v Speaker 2>that kind of temperature, that's when you start worrying about

0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.560
<v Speaker 2>people getting hypothermia, which is exactly what happened. Right. People

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:46.200
<v Speaker 2>were sick, people had to be evacuated. On Friday night,

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.240
<v Speaker 2>I was heating up milk for a baby, like a

0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:54.040
<v Speaker 2>tiny little baby in my camping stove so that the

0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.600
<v Speaker 2>baby could have milk like not freezing temperatures. Right, it

0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 2>gave someone my got jacket. I was there with James

0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.199
<v Speaker 2>and Jacqueline from Boarder Kindness and some other friends. I

0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.280
<v Speaker 2>know some of them listen to the podcast, and it

0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>makes me really happy that people who listen to this

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>like take the time out of their busy lives to

0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 2>show up and help other people. Like that's one of

0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the coolest things that about what we do.

0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.920
<v Speaker 1>We're very proud of those people and everyone else. You know, yeah,

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:23.680
<v Speaker 1>pick up the slack, Come on guys.

0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:28.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I know on that topic, Like, there are

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.359
<v Speaker 2>a relatively few of us. It's a very remote area

0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.679
<v Speaker 2>where we were. You know, you need a truck to

0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 2>get to it. Maybe a decent clearance car would be fine,

0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 2>but there were like six of us at one point.

0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.639
<v Speaker 2>It is not easy to do that day in and

0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.240
<v Speaker 2>day out. It really affects you to see someone's a

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 2>little baby sleeping in the dirt and they're asking you, like,

0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, can I have a jacket? And you've already

0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.440
<v Speaker 2>given someone your jacket? Can I have a sleeping bag?

0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.200
<v Speaker 2>And you've given away all the sleeping bags you have?

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Like it's fucked. It's not good for you, And I

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.439
<v Speaker 2>know it's taken a toll on those people, and it

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.359
<v Speaker 2>would be great if more people could come. As James

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and Jaqueline said, we're vetting everyone because there are people

0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.280
<v Speaker 2>who would like to do harm to migrants and people

0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.639
<v Speaker 2>who don't like migrants. And so if you go back

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and listen to the episode or the relevant links and

0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>email addresses to volunteer there, even if you just send money,

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.520
<v Speaker 2>it's better to send money then to send us stuff.

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.360
<v Speaker 2>We've had a ton of I spent a decent chunk

0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.920
<v Speaker 2>of Friday afternoon going through donated stuff. Some of it's great,

0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.639
<v Speaker 2>some of it I'm afraid. Like if a jacket is

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.240
<v Speaker 2>has giant holes in it for you, it also has

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:32.560
<v Speaker 2>giant holes in it for someone who's less rich than you,

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't keep them any warmer than it keeps you.

0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:37.800
<v Speaker 2>So like you know, it's better if people send money.

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:41.520
<v Speaker 2>But that's taken its toll on people. It's taking its

0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.439
<v Speaker 2>toll on the people in the camps too, not to

0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:47.159
<v Speaker 2>say that they're not in very good spirits. Like it's so,

0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I was there at about ten o'clock at night when

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.879
<v Speaker 2>people What happens, right is people walk around the gaps

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.080
<v Speaker 2>in the wall, which again didn't come up in Elon

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Musk's video. Right there are giant, yawning gaps in the

0:21:57.440 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>wall because they were trying to build as much of

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 2>it as possible before twenty twenty election. And so they

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.480
<v Speaker 2>skip the hard parts. So people walk through where the

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.720
<v Speaker 2>wall stops. They're met by border patrol. Boarder patrol then

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.240
<v Speaker 2>drives them. I don't mean drive some boy like put

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:11.760
<v Speaker 2>them in the back of the vehicle. I mean drive

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 2>them like you would drive cattle, by going behind them

0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.840
<v Speaker 2>in a vehicle and pushing them forward and walks them

0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:20.879
<v Speaker 2>into the camp, right, And then they arrive in the

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 2>camp and it's it's they arrive and like I was

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.960
<v Speaker 2>going up to ascertained, you know what sort of group

0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:31.600
<v Speaker 2>it was. Were they people who were in severe distress, right,

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>like hypothermic or hurt or injured. I know someone came

0:22:34.760 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 2>later in a week who had a very bad injury

0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.040
<v Speaker 2>who had fallen maybe trying to climb the wall. And

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.600
<v Speaker 2>so you're going to kind of tri oute that group, right,

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:44.840
<v Speaker 2>And some people were really start they're in America, like

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and then they wanted to give me like a hug

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:48.960
<v Speaker 2>or a fist bump and be like yeah, I'm here.

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:51.919
<v Speaker 2>Obviously some of them weren't prepared. None of them were

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 2>repared for sleeping outside. And then generally, like there have

0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 2>been large kind of just shelters made out of cacti

0:22:59.920 --> 0:23:03.840
<v Speaker 2>or brush or scrub or whatever's there, which tend to

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 2>be based around like national groups, right, just people have

0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 2>their community, so that it's one for Colombian people, Brazilian people,

0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 2>punt Jabi, Sikh people. There were Kurdish people, Turkish, a

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of Turkish people, Afghan people, and so they kind

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.640
<v Speaker 2>of because they can talk to each other, they'll be like, hey,

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>come over here, Afghan friend, Like you know, we'll look

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>after you. We've got this shelter set out, We've got

0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a fire going, get yourself warm. And then those people

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>can spend anywhere from one to three days there before

0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 2>they're taken out. Right, So like, it's an extremely bad

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.680
<v Speaker 2>situation and it will only get worse, so weather gets worse.

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Talking of things which which are bad, should should we

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.439
<v Speaker 2>should we take this opportunity to pivot to things that

0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:49.400
<v Speaker 2>people don't need to buy.

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they definitely need to buy them, James, because pass anyway,

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:22.959
<v Speaker 1>here's all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're back. Hopefully you've repleted. You're a pile of golgoyins.

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to return to addressing some words of disinformation

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that Elon Musko got from men and cowboy hats. One

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.879
<v Speaker 2>of the things they talked about a lot was that.

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 2>They talk about numbers, right, They're like, oh, there are

0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>two million, there are four million. At no point do

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 2>they say what these numbers represent. Are these numbers net migration?

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Are they border crossings between ports of entry? Are they

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.879
<v Speaker 2>the number of asylum cases? Are they the number of

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.720
<v Speaker 2>encounters the border patrol has had, because as we know, right,

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.320
<v Speaker 2>an encounter doesn't necessarily mean individual. If one person crosses

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 2>two or three times, that's two or three encounters, right,

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 2>And they never talk about that because they're just pulling

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>this shit out their asses. If you want information, these

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.159
<v Speaker 2>people are not people to get it from. None of

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>them are even working in border enforcement. Right. These were

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.879
<v Speaker 2>sheriffs that he spoke to. They talk a lot about

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 2>how there are quote unquote two million of them, but

0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the real number is four or five million because of

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote gotaways a people who have not been

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 2>processed at all. Right, They have entered between ports of

0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 2>entry and then are undocumented. This is nonsense. People don't

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 2>want to be undocumented. People are here because they believe

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they have a legitimate asylum claim. They are fleeing violence, right,

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>they have one of the We've been over to five

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.360
<v Speaker 2>categories that you can get asylum for before on the podcast.

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.959
<v Speaker 2>I won't read them out again, but I have seen people.

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 2>For instance, I saw one person who they were transported

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital, the hospital let them out on the

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 2>street in San Diego. They took a cab back to

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.479
<v Speaker 2>the border because they don't want to just be floating

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>around in the US with no papers and able to work,

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:05.600
<v Speaker 2>worried that like a parking ticket or a traffic stop

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 2>could send them back to wherever they'd fled from, right,

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 2>because they've fled because they're afraid of something and they

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be sent back.

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I think something that really bothered me in the video

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 3>was how much they emphasize that, like, remember most of

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 3>these people that can be escaping prison, they're all in

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 3>they used to be incarcerated. I'm just like, what, Like,

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 3>that's not it's just like this fear bongering tactic that's

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 3>so silly and trying to make people all believe that

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 3>there's everyone at the border are just like prison inmates essentially.

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other side you often get is like, well,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>they're all young men heading over, and a lot of

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>times this like some of this is like racial panic.

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna you know, take our women or whatever. Some

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>of this is like, you know, men are soldiers, you know,

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it's military. The reality is that, like, especially when you're

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>talking about like the migrants who are crossing the fucking

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>dairy and gap, this is an incredibly dangerous journey. Young

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>men are generally a little more capable physically of it.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>And also it's you know, especially given some realities of

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, these cultures, that's who you

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>expect to go and make money and send it back

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to their families, right, Like that's that's just like it's

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.239
<v Speaker 1>not They're not invading you. You know, this is like,

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>these are the people who are going to work jobs

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and send money back to their families.

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like we live in a society which is both patriarchial,

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.679
<v Speaker 2>patriarch and misogynist. Right that they they're able to command

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.040
<v Speaker 2>a higher wage and they can use that to keep

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>their families alive. I've spoken to lots of families for

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>whom the young men left the country there in first

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 2>earned money somewhere else and then was able to raise

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 2>enough money to get the rest of their family smuggled

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 2>out or to facilitate their transport, and then bring them

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.439
<v Speaker 2>to the US because they thought it wasn't safe for

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 2>them there. Also, like if you're a military aged male

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>in some countries Russia or lots of countries in the

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 2>SA hell, now you could be forcibly drafted right into

0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>a one of any number of conflicts that you want

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 2>no part of. And I wouldn't want to do that either.

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I'd want to leave right And I've spoken to people

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 2>who have fled that kind of situation this week. So Yeah,

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>of the gender balance, I don't know. It's very hard

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to get a sense of the actual gender balance because

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>border patrol tends to process women and children first, and

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:26.360
<v Speaker 2>especially unaccompany children of course first. But it's very hard

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to get into the actual gender balance without like looking

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 2>at border patrol statistics, and they take a month or

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>two to come out. Generally they talk about people with

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>tear drop tattoos. I would estimate that I have seen tens,

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.120
<v Speaker 2>if not one, hundreds of thousands of people at the

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Southern border. I've never seen anyone with the tear drop

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>tattoo leg you.

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Have to be a to have it ascribed. These like

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 3>hordes of people trying to get into your home or whatever.

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I genuinely think that someone looked up I don't know,

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 2>like Latino gangster on Google images, like right before, or

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 2>like racist Google images or whatever, like before they before

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 2>they went down to the border. Like I've never seen

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 2>anyone with a tiar rop tattoo. You'd have to be

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a lemon to like present yourself for

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 2>asylum with obvious like stuff like that. They're absolutely gonna

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 2>ask you about your tattoos, or they'll ask you about everything.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just laughable, it's ridiculous. It's all based in myth

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>and not in reality. And like what troubles me the most,

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I think is I don't know how many people have

0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.120
<v Speaker 2>watched Elon Musk's live stream, right, and hopefully most of

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 2>them that did saw someone completely incapable of like asking

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>interrogated questions or reversing the camera on his phone, or

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>like dressing like a cowboy. But there has been, to

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 2>my knowledge, no national network coverage of what's happening in

0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a cumber right. There has been limited local coverage of

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>what's happening in cu Cumba. What there has has already

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 2>stopped because like it was a kind of one done

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>situation for a lot of outlets, but it's not one

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 2>and done for the people who are volunteering, And it's

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>not one and done for the people but who are

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 2>still arriving right there are We're going to see more

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>of this in between now and twenty twenty four. The

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>border is clearly an area that both parties, I guess,

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 2>have decided that they can grandstand on. Biden can show

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 2>himself as being quote unquote tough on migration. No, I

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>don't want to live in a world where our leaders

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>are tough on little babies who just walked across a desert,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>like that's a fucked up thing to be tough on.

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>It could be tough on corporate corruption if you want to,

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>like front up to someone. And I think the Republicans

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>are going to push on Biden being weak on the border,

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>where there will be more migration this year than we

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 2>have seen a long time because we created a backlog,

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>right because climate change is worse every single year, and

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>like I think, as we've documented extensively on our show,

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>parts of the world are becoming less and less survivable.

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I went to the Martial Landers this summer. They are disappearing.

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>So of course people are going to want to come

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 2>to somewhere where they feel safe. There are record numbers

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.560
<v Speaker 2>of people crossing the Darien Gap right now. That is

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>something that will result in record numbers of people showing

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 2>up a border.

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for every like group of people who make

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>it across the Dairy And Gap, there's there's folks who

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>don't like. Taking that journey on foot without kind of

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>access to modern quality overlanding equipment is like putting a

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 1>bullet in a revolver and playing a game of Russian roulette.

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Like it's extremely dangerous.

0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, not to mention that you'll be preyed upon, like

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 2>all the way. And they talked about the trains. I've

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>seen that video as well, how the migrants control the

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 2>trains a fuck off. Like I have seen people who

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>have lost limbs on trains right like these. That's an

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>incredible jumping on a moving train. It's not an advisable

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>form of transport and it's not a safe one. And

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the fact that people feel they have to take it

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>suggests that what they are fleeing feels even less safe

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>to them. Right. I don't have children, but like if

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I was to take my kids and grab on to

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 2>a moving train, I would only do that if I

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.239
<v Speaker 2>thought that what I was fleeing was less safe than

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that moving train.

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and to talk about the last resort literally like

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 3>that's how desperate you are to better situation. It's not

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.600
<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, it just makes me the rhetoric

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 3>is all backwards about.

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 2>That, Yes, like when you look at what some of

0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 2>these people are fleeing, right Like on Friday, I was

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 2>helping hand out water bottles and I was there was

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 2>a Punjabi man helping me right like, he was one

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>of the volunteers who was like helping us to distribute

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 2>food and helping us to communicate with people in the

0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>language they could understand. Very nice guy. And I was

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>thinking about like the stuff that's happening in India right now,

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>right like, and the way that that country is becoming

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>increasingly like monolithic. I guess Hindu nationalists, I guess you

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 2>could call it. And that's fair, right Robert, Yeah, yeah,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>like Modi, it's not getting any safer for them there,

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 2>And I've seen tons more seek people than I've ever

0:32:58.560 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>seen at the border before.

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>No, there was a a I mean, fuck, it's it's

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily safe in Canada right where one of those

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>guys got murdered recently. Yeah.

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that happening in America too, right, So we

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>shut up a good water thinking it was a mosque

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 2>because they can't fucking differentiate between different faiths and they

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>saw a turban.

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean in Canada, I believe it was a

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Sikh man who got assassinated at the behest of the

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Modi government.

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Jesus Christ.

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Western intelligence led to Canada accusing India of SEK

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 1>activists assassination. It's a fellow named I just want to

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>make sure because this is a story people should We

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>may do some more direct coverage on this. But yeah,

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>there was a guy named Hardeep Singh Nijar who was

0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>a Sikh separatist activist and was gutten down by two

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>masked men in British Columbia. India denies that this was

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>at their behest, but yeah, like this is and this

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>is by the way, it's not just a thing that

0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>India does. Political assassinations from authoritarian directed by authoritarian countries

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>in Western countries have become more and more common. Right.

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>A lot of this started with what Russia was doing,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the poisoning the SCIRPOL, poisonings and stuff. But like this

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is growing more common as this sort of like rules

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>based international order that I think to some extent we

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 1>all kind of tricked ourselves into thinking existed increasingly breaks down.

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 1>But that's all to say, there's a good reason why

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Sikhs might be trying to come into

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the US right now.

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, there's a good reason why I'm seeing so

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 2>many of them on the border. There's a good reason

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 2>why I'm seeing a ton more people from Russia, right yeah.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>And they don't want to go on record, and that's

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 2>because they're very afraid, right They've come from a totalitarian

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>state which can hunt them down, as Rubbert just illustrated,

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>anywhere in the world, and so they don't want to talk.

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Right I'm seeing people coming from Columbia, Hondura, Squafamala. One

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>of the things that Musk was shocked about was that

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like none of these people in Mexican. I don't know

0:34:56.000 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>how big he thinks Mexico is and what what he

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.040
<v Speaker 2>believes the population of Mexico to be, but at one

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 2>minute he's like, it's two million a year. Does he

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>think Mexico is just like dwindling and there are like

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 2>eight people left. Like Mexico is a large country, but

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>like like it does not provide us with with millions

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>of migrants a year and.

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>More of that like comically impossible narrative, right, like whatever,

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean people, and people are going to believe it.

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 3>It's just part of the show.

0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it confirms a lot of biases that always exist.

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And I guess hopefully we've dismissed some of that nonsense.

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think I don't. I think people who listen

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>to this generally have empathy anyway, But hopefully this has

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 2>given you some tools to talk about this to other people.

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.319
<v Speaker 2>What they will say is like, I'm not a big

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.400
<v Speaker 2>representative caller. I called my representative to help with a

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.799
<v Speaker 2>migration case for someone from Mianmar who asked for a help.

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.279
<v Speaker 2>She was useless. But maybe this is an area where

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<v Speaker 2>like the federal government has water buffalos, right, big water containers,

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>has mr If these were American citizens and this was

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<v Speaker 2>a hurricane or an earthquake, that shit would be there.

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not because they don't think that they matter as much.

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.359
<v Speaker 2>San Diego County has declared emergency and said they can't

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 2>do anything that's complete fucking nonsense. They again, they could

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<v Speaker 2>if these were American citizens. They would if these people

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<v Speaker 2>were like white, wealthy people living in Lahoya. They're choosing

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.319
<v Speaker 2>not to because they don't think it will hurt them

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and like it. Maybe it won't, right, But I think

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>you can make a meaningful difference by donating your money,

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 2>because the only people who are helping are the dozen

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 2>or so folks right like who all convoyed out there

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.760
<v Speaker 2>on Friday night down a dirt road in our trucks

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>and handed out the beans and rice and ritz crackers.

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 2>But you can make a difference of your money. The

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<v Speaker 2>border kindness links all put in the description again. You

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>can also make a difference, maybe by calling your representative

0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and shaming them, because this is a government create problem

0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and the government like sticking its hands up in the

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<v Speaker 2>air and being like, oh no, what a surprise, we'd't

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>know how to do. Yes, they knew this was coming, right,

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 2>these people, many of them have walked from Colombia. We

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 2>knew these people were arriving. We've been putting this off

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>since COVID for three years, since the start of the

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>COVID pandemic. I should say COVID is very much alive.

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I've seen some people who like obviously weren't able to

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>rap a test everyone. But there are a lot of

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:31.799
<v Speaker 2>sick people coughing right, There were people with scabies, there

0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:35.560
<v Speaker 2>were people who were very unwell. That again, if you

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>detained people in congregate settings and the only masks are

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the ones that we bring as volunteers, and that's going

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 2>to happen, right, We'll probably get some infectious disease that

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 2>they'll get to share with. Even if you don't care

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.080
<v Speaker 2>about other people, even sure it'll come bite you in

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 2>the arts eventually, right when freaking chicken gun yod. That's

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>not vectored in that fashion, but you know, cholera or

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>something rocks up in America. So I would urge people

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 2>to do something because so few people are and the

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.319
<v Speaker 2>only people who are helping our mutual aid groups who

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 2>are overstretched and stressed and tired and broke. And so

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 2>if you can help, you should, and well, like whatever

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:18.960
<v Speaker 2>that looks like to you, if you want to volunteer,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. I would urge you to go through the

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 2>channels that are set so you don't just show up

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 2>and look at yourself or someone else in trouble or

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 2>just make things harder. But yeah, there are meaningful ways

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that people can help. Very few people are and largely

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's because the border exists as some kind

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>of World West fantasy for most people consuming media in America.

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.399
<v Speaker 2>And hopefully, yeah, if you, if you encounter someone who

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<v Speaker 2>believes that this will help you, give you a little

0:38:48.080 --> 0:38:52.160
<v Speaker 2>bit of information, a little bit of some tools to

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<v Speaker 2>dismiss some of that stuff.

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dismiss and demystify really, because it's just lingless imaginary,

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 3>big bad wolf that no one really understands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Like it's nonsense that everyone in America's a migrant.

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 2>They are indigenous people here now and they always have been.

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people have some kind of migration story.

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:14.919
<v Speaker 2>And like I don't give a fuck if your great

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>grandpa came here quote unquote legally the barriers were not

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 2>in place yet, there wasn't a wall when your me

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>mar came from wherever she came from. But like in

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>all of our communities, like this country doesn't work with

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 2>that the labor of recently arrived for migrants. And like

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I think if you look at the news, I go

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.120
<v Speaker 2>to places where wars are happening, right, that's part of

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:40.960
<v Speaker 2>my job. So it's Robert, you know. And then I

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>see those people at the border. The reason they're here

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>is because they're fleeing something worse, and I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe grounding it in that, I don't think anyone would

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 2>want a little baby to be sleeping in there. I

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>know some pretty conservative people who were pretty outraged by

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>what happened in May, and it's worse now. Yeah, no

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.279
<v Speaker 2>one in their right mind wants a little baby to

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.080
<v Speaker 2>be shivering out in the desert. And you know, no

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.400
<v Speaker 2>one in their right mind wants a mother to be

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 2>breastfeeding and sleeping underneath a cardboard box because that's what

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>she has. You know, Like, that's not even if you

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 2>believe in it's very liberal construct of America as a

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 2>welcoming nation, and that shouldn't be who we are and

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be how we treat people. And if you

0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>believe that nation shouldn't exist in borders of bullshit, then

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 2>no one should be treated like that. And it's on

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<v Speaker 2>all of us to help. I guess, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else, guys, No, I think that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Magic, Okay, thank you for joining me for this heartwarming episode.

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