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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Maybe that should be our intro. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, Robert, It's one we don't like

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's what's funding, James. It's a common mistake mixing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's what funds are. Incredible work, your

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Speaker 1: Well you got to bring him into this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well a certainly rubber he brought himself into this?

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk eaten by a crocodile. Yes, I was just

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Speaker 2: Of course they will. That that's how international law works.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's our home, Yeah, yeah, it's This is

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Speaker 2: who had fallen maybe trying to climb the wall. And

433
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Speaker 2: so you're going to kind of tri oute that group, right,

434
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: And some people were really start they're in America, like

435
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: and then they wanted to give me like a hug

436
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: or a fist bump and be like yeah, I'm here.

437
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 2: Obviously some of them weren't prepared. None of them were

438
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: repared for sleeping outside. And then generally, like there have

439
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: been large kind of just shelters made out of cacti

440
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: or brush or scrub or whatever's there, which tend to

441
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: be based around like national groups, right, just people have

442
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: their community, so that it's one for Colombian people, Brazilian people,

443
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: punt Jabi, Sikh people. There were Kurdish people, Turkish, a

444
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: lot of Turkish people, Afghan people, and so they kind

445
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 2: of because they can talk to each other, they'll be like, hey,

446
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 2: come over here, Afghan friend, Like you know, we'll look

447
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: after you. We've got this shelter set out, We've got

448
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: a fire going, get yourself warm. And then those people

449
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: can spend anywhere from one to three days there before

450
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: they're taken out. Right, So like, it's an extremely bad

451
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: situation and it will only get worse, so weather gets worse.

452
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: Talking of things which which are bad, should should we

453
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Speaker 2: should we take this opportunity to pivot to things that

454
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 2: people don't need to buy.

455
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely need to buy them, James, because pass anyway,

456
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 1: here's all.

457
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: Right, we're back. Hopefully you've repleted. You're a pile of golgoyins.

458
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to return to addressing some words of disinformation

459
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: that Elon Musko got from men and cowboy hats. One

460
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: of the things they talked about a lot was that.

461
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: They talk about numbers, right, They're like, oh, there are

462
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: two million, there are four million. At no point do

463
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: they say what these numbers represent. Are these numbers net migration?

464
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: Are they border crossings between ports of entry? Are they

465
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Speaker 2: the number of asylum cases? Are they the number of

466
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: encounters the border patrol has had, because as we know, right,

467
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: an encounter doesn't necessarily mean individual. If one person crosses

468
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: two or three times, that's two or three encounters, right,

469
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: And they never talk about that because they're just pulling

470
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: this shit out their asses. If you want information, these

471
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: people are not people to get it from. None of

472
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: them are even working in border enforcement. Right. These were

473
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: sheriffs that he spoke to. They talk a lot about

474
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 2: how there are quote unquote two million of them, but

475
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: the real number is four or five million because of

476
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: the quote unquote gotaways a people who have not been

477
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: processed at all. Right, They have entered between ports of

478
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: entry and then are undocumented. This is nonsense. People don't

479
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: want to be undocumented. People are here because they believe

480
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: they have a legitimate asylum claim. They are fleeing violence, right,

481
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: they have one of the We've been over to five

482
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 2: categories that you can get asylum for before on the podcast.

483
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Speaker 2: I won't read them out again, but I have seen people.

484
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Speaker 2: For instance, I saw one person who they were transported

485
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: to the hospital, the hospital let them out on the

486
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: street in San Diego. They took a cab back to

487
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 2: the border because they don't want to just be floating

488
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: around in the US with no papers and able to work,

489
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: worried that like a parking ticket or a traffic stop

490
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: could send them back to wherever they'd fled from, right,

491
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: because they've fled because they're afraid of something and they

492
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: don't want to be sent back.

493
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Speaker 3: I think something that really bothered me in the video

494
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: was how much they emphasize that, like, remember most of

495
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: these people that can be escaping prison, they're all in

496
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: they used to be incarcerated. I'm just like, what, Like,

497
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 3: that's not it's just like this fear bongering tactic that's

498
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 3: so silly and trying to make people all believe that

499
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: there's everyone at the border are just like prison inmates essentially.

500
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other side you often get is like, well,

501
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: they're all young men heading over, and a lot of

502
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: times this like some of this is like racial panic.

503
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna you know, take our women or whatever. Some

504
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: of this is like, you know, men are soldiers, you know,

505
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: it's military. The reality is that, like, especially when you're

506
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Speaker 1: talking about like the migrants who are crossing the fucking

507
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: dairy and gap, this is an incredibly dangerous journey. Young

508
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: men are generally a little more capable physically of it.

509
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: And also it's you know, especially given some realities of

510
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, these cultures, that's who you

511
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: expect to go and make money and send it back

512
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: to their families, right, Like that's that's just like it's

513
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: not They're not invading you. You know, this is like,

514
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: these are the people who are going to work jobs

515
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Speaker 1: and send money back to their families.

516
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we live in a society which is both patriarchial,

517
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: patriarch and misogynist. Right that they they're able to command

518
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: a higher wage and they can use that to keep

519
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: their families alive. I've spoken to lots of families for

520
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: whom the young men left the country there in first

521
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: earned money somewhere else and then was able to raise

522
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: enough money to get the rest of their family smuggled

523
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: out or to facilitate their transport, and then bring them

524
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Speaker 2: to the US because they thought it wasn't safe for

525
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Speaker 2: them there. Also, like if you're a military aged male

526
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: in some countries Russia or lots of countries in the

527
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: SA hell, now you could be forcibly drafted right into

528
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: a one of any number of conflicts that you want

529
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: no part of. And I wouldn't want to do that either.

530
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: I'd want to leave right And I've spoken to people

531
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Speaker 2: who have fled that kind of situation this week. So Yeah,

532
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: of the gender balance, I don't know. It's very hard

533
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Speaker 2: to get a sense of the actual gender balance because

534
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: border patrol tends to process women and children first, and

535
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 2: especially unaccompany children of course first. But it's very hard

536
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: to get into the actual gender balance without like looking

537
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 2: at border patrol statistics, and they take a month or

538
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: two to come out. Generally they talk about people with

539
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: tear drop tattoos. I would estimate that I have seen tens,

540
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: if not one, hundreds of thousands of people at the

541
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Speaker 2: Southern border. I've never seen anyone with the tear drop

542
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: tattoo leg you.

543
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: Have to be a to have it ascribed. These like

544
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: hordes of people trying to get into your home or whatever.

545
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I genuinely think that someone looked up I don't know,

546
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: like Latino gangster on Google images, like right before, or

547
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: like racist Google images or whatever, like before they before

548
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: they went down to the border. Like I've never seen

549
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: anyone with a tiar rop tattoo. You'd have to be

550
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: a bit of a lemon to like present yourself for

551
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: asylum with obvious like stuff like that. They're absolutely gonna

552
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: ask you about your tattoos, or they'll ask you about everything.

553
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: It's just laughable, it's ridiculous. It's all based in myth

554
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: and not in reality. And like what troubles me the most,

555
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: I think is I don't know how many people have

556
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: watched Elon Musk's live stream, right, and hopefully most of

557
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: them that did saw someone completely incapable of like asking

558
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: interrogated questions or reversing the camera on his phone, or

559
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: like dressing like a cowboy. But there has been, to

560
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: my knowledge, no national network coverage of what's happening in

561
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: a cumber right. There has been limited local coverage of

562
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: what's happening in cu Cumba. What there has has already

563
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: stopped because like it was a kind of one done

564
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: situation for a lot of outlets, but it's not one

565
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: and done for the people who are volunteering, And it's

566
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: not one and done for the people but who are

567
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: still arriving right there are We're going to see more

568
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: of this in between now and twenty twenty four. The

569
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: border is clearly an area that both parties, I guess,

570
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: have decided that they can grandstand on. Biden can show

571
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: himself as being quote unquote tough on migration. No, I

572
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: don't want to live in a world where our leaders

573
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: are tough on little babies who just walked across a desert,

574
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: like that's a fucked up thing to be tough on.

575
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: It could be tough on corporate corruption if you want to,

576
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: like front up to someone. And I think the Republicans

577
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: are going to push on Biden being weak on the border,

578
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: where there will be more migration this year than we

579
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: have seen a long time because we created a backlog,

580
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: right because climate change is worse every single year, and

581
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: like I think, as we've documented extensively on our show,

582
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: parts of the world are becoming less and less survivable.

583
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: I went to the Martial Landers this summer. They are disappearing.

584
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: So of course people are going to want to come

585
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: to somewhere where they feel safe. There are record numbers

586
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: of people crossing the Darien Gap right now. That is

587
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: something that will result in record numbers of people showing

588
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: up a border.

589
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for every like group of people who make

590
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it across the Dairy And Gap, there's there's folks who

591
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: don't like. Taking that journey on foot without kind of

592
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: access to modern quality overlanding equipment is like putting a

593
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: bullet in a revolver and playing a game of Russian roulette.

594
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 1: Like it's extremely dangerous.

595
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Yes, not to mention that you'll be preyed upon, like

596
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: all the way. And they talked about the trains. I've

597
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: seen that video as well, how the migrants control the

598
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 2: trains a fuck off. Like I have seen people who

599
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: have lost limbs on trains right like these. That's an

600
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: incredible jumping on a moving train. It's not an advisable

601
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 2: form of transport and it's not a safe one. And

602
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: the fact that people feel they have to take it

603
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: suggests that what they are fleeing feels even less safe

604
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: to them. Right. I don't have children, but like if

605
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: I was to take my kids and grab on to

606
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: a moving train, I would only do that if I

607
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 2: thought that what I was fleeing was less safe than

608
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: that moving train.

609
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to talk about the last resort literally like

610
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 3: that's how desperate you are to better situation. It's not

611
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: like I don't know, it just makes me the rhetoric

612
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: is all backwards about.

613
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: That, Yes, like when you look at what some of

614
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: these people are fleeing, right Like on Friday, I was

615
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: helping hand out water bottles and I was there was

616
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: a Punjabi man helping me right like, he was one

617
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: of the volunteers who was like helping us to distribute

618
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: food and helping us to communicate with people in the

619
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: language they could understand. Very nice guy. And I was

620
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: thinking about like the stuff that's happening in India right now,

621
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: right like, and the way that that country is becoming

622
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: increasingly like monolithic. I guess Hindu nationalists, I guess you

623
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: could call it. And that's fair, right Robert, Yeah, yeah,

624
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: like Modi, it's not getting any safer for them there,

625
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: And I've seen tons more seek people than I've ever

626
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: seen at the border before.

627
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: No, there was a a I mean, fuck, it's it's

628
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily safe in Canada right where one of those

629
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: guys got murdered recently. Yeah.

630
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that happening in America too, right, So we

631
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: shut up a good water thinking it was a mosque

632
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: because they can't fucking differentiate between different faiths and they

633
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: saw a turban.

634
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in Canada, I believe it was a

635
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Sikh man who got assassinated at the behest of the

636
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: Modi government.

637
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Jesus Christ.

638
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Western intelligence led to Canada accusing India of SEK

639
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: activists assassination. It's a fellow named I just want to

640
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: make sure because this is a story people should We

641
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: may do some more direct coverage on this. But yeah,

642
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Hardeep Singh Nijar who was

643
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: a Sikh separatist activist and was gutten down by two

644
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: masked men in British Columbia. India denies that this was

645
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: at their behest, but yeah, like this is and this

646
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: is by the way, it's not just a thing that

647
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: India does. Political assassinations from authoritarian directed by authoritarian countries

648
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Speaker 1: in Western countries have become more and more common. Right.

649
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Speaker 1: A lot of this started with what Russia was doing,

650
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: the poisoning the SCIRPOL, poisonings and stuff. But like this

651
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 1: is growing more common as this sort of like rules

652
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: based international order that I think to some extent we

653
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: all kind of tricked ourselves into thinking existed increasingly breaks down.

654
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Speaker 1: But that's all to say, there's a good reason why

655
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: a lot of Sikhs might be trying to come into

656
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Speaker 1: the US right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a good reason why I'm seeing so

658
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: many of them on the border. There's a good reason

659
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: why I'm seeing a ton more people from Russia, right yeah.

660
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: And they don't want to go on record, and that's

661
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 2: because they're very afraid, right They've come from a totalitarian

662
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: state which can hunt them down, as Rubbert just illustrated,

663
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: anywhere in the world, and so they don't want to talk.

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Speaker 2: Right I'm seeing people coming from Columbia, Hondura, Squafamala. One

665
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: of the things that Musk was shocked about was that

666
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: like none of these people in Mexican. I don't know

667
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: how big he thinks Mexico is and what what he

668
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: believes the population of Mexico to be, but at one

669
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: minute he's like, it's two million a year. Does he

670
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: think Mexico is just like dwindling and there are like

671
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: eight people left. Like Mexico is a large country, but

672
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: like like it does not provide us with with millions

673
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: of migrants a year and.

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Speaker 3: More of that like comically impossible narrative, right, like whatever,

675
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean people, and people are going to believe it.

676
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Speaker 3: It's just part of the show.

677
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it confirms a lot of biases that always exist.

678
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: And I guess hopefully we've dismissed some of that nonsense.

679
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: And I think I don't. I think people who listen

680
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: to this generally have empathy anyway, But hopefully this has

681
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: given you some tools to talk about this to other people.

682
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: What they will say is like, I'm not a big

683
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: representative caller. I called my representative to help with a

684
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: migration case for someone from Mianmar who asked for a help.

685
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: She was useless. But maybe this is an area where

686
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: like the federal government has water buffalos, right, big water containers,

687
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: has mr If these were American citizens and this was

688
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: a hurricane or an earthquake, that shit would be there.

689
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: It's not because they don't think that they matter as much.

690
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: San Diego County has declared emergency and said they can't

691
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: do anything that's complete fucking nonsense. They again, they could

692
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: if these were American citizens. They would if these people

693
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: were like white, wealthy people living in Lahoya. They're choosing

694
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: not to because they don't think it will hurt them

695
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: and like it. Maybe it won't, right, But I think

696
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: you can make a meaningful difference by donating your money,

697
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: because the only people who are helping are the dozen

698
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: or so folks right like who all convoyed out there

699
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: on Friday night down a dirt road in our trucks

700
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: and handed out the beans and rice and ritz crackers.

701
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: But you can make a difference of your money. The

702
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: border kindness links all put in the description again. You

703
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: can also make a difference, maybe by calling your representative

704
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: and shaming them, because this is a government create problem

705
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: and the government like sticking its hands up in the

706
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: air and being like, oh no, what a surprise, we'd't

707
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: know how to do. Yes, they knew this was coming, right,

708
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: these people, many of them have walked from Colombia. We

709
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: knew these people were arriving. We've been putting this off

710
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: since COVID for three years, since the start of the

711
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: COVID pandemic. I should say COVID is very much alive.

712
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: I've seen some people who like obviously weren't able to

713
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: rap a test everyone. But there are a lot of

714
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: sick people coughing right, There were people with scabies, there

715
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: were people who were very unwell. That again, if you

716
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: detained people in congregate settings and the only masks are

717
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: the ones that we bring as volunteers, and that's going

718
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: to happen, right, We'll probably get some infectious disease that

719
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: they'll get to share with. Even if you don't care

720
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: about other people, even sure it'll come bite you in

721
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 2: the arts eventually, right when freaking chicken gun yod. That's

722
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: not vectored in that fashion, but you know, cholera or

723
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: something rocks up in America. So I would urge people

724
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 2: to do something because so few people are and the

725
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: only people who are helping our mutual aid groups who

726
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: are overstretched and stressed and tired and broke. And so

727
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: if you can help, you should, and well, like whatever

728
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: that looks like to you, if you want to volunteer,

729
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: that's great. I would urge you to go through the

730
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: channels that are set so you don't just show up

731
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: and look at yourself or someone else in trouble or

732
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: just make things harder. But yeah, there are meaningful ways

733
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: that people can help. Very few people are and largely

734
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: I think that's because the border exists as some kind

735
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: of World West fantasy for most people consuming media in America.

736
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Speaker 2: And hopefully, yeah, if you, if you encounter someone who

737
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: believes that this will help you, give you a little

738
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: bit of information, a little bit of some tools to

739
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: dismiss some of that stuff.

740
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Speaker 3: Yeah, dismiss and demystify really, because it's just lingless imaginary,

741
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: big bad wolf that no one really understands.

742
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Like it's nonsense that everyone in America's a migrant.

743
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: They are indigenous people here now and they always have been.

744
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: But a lot of people have some kind of migration story.

745
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: And like I don't give a fuck if your great

746
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: grandpa came here quote unquote legally the barriers were not

747
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: in place yet, there wasn't a wall when your me

748
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: mar came from wherever she came from. But like in

749
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: all of our communities, like this country doesn't work with

750
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: that the labor of recently arrived for migrants. And like

751
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: I think if you look at the news, I go

752
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: to places where wars are happening, right, that's part of

753
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: my job. So it's Robert, you know. And then I

754
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: see those people at the border. The reason they're here

755
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: is because they're fleeing something worse, and I think, like

756
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: maybe grounding it in that, I don't think anyone would

757
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: want a little baby to be sleeping in there. I

758
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: know some pretty conservative people who were pretty outraged by

759
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: what happened in May, and it's worse now. Yeah, no

760
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: one in their right mind wants a little baby to

761
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: be shivering out in the desert. And you know, no

762
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: one in their right mind wants a mother to be

763
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 2: breastfeeding and sleeping underneath a cardboard box because that's what

764
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: she has. You know, Like, that's not even if you

765
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: believe in it's very liberal construct of America as a

766
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: welcoming nation, and that shouldn't be who we are and

767
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be how we treat people. And if you

768
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: believe that nation shouldn't exist in borders of bullshit, then

769
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: no one should be treated like that. And it's on

770
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: all of us to help. I guess, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anything else, guys, No, I think that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Magic, Okay, thank you for joining me for this heartwarming episode.

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