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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 1: Noel is with us in spirit and they call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We are joined by our super producer Tristan. Of course

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Speaker 1: you are you, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Never fear, our compatriot will be

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Speaker 1: returning physically as well as one would presume is spiritually.

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Speaker 1: In a later episode, Matt, We've got something pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: for you today. Oh yes, yeah, everybody out there listening,

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Speaker 1: this is something that I am just learning about. Of Ben.

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Speaker 1: I think you had seen this before in whispers on

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Speaker 1: the internet and in books, but it's it's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: happening that occurs way back in the eighteen hundreds, that

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Speaker 1: maybe an encounter with another species, another civilization, right, you've

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Speaker 1: heard of this before. We have often over the course

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Speaker 1: of the show explored aliens and inexplicable history. We found

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Speaker 1: numerous examples of just weird weird stuff, allegations of lost technology,

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Speaker 1: entire loss civilizations, and of course, at some point, what's

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Speaker 1: that guy's named George Slucos close the ancient aliens at

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Speaker 1: some point, aliens, extraterrestrials or allegations thereof. We do want

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Speaker 1: to point out that we and the world at large

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Speaker 1: has found no universally agreed, solid proof of any sort

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Speaker 1: of alien encounter. Was begrudgingly true, but we have seen

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Speaker 1: some incredibly strange stuff. Nonetheless, and as much as it

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Speaker 1: may irk humanity to admit this, we may well never

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Speaker 1: knew the full story behind some historical accounts and events.

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Speaker 1: It's true a lot of times it's written down once

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Speaker 1: by one person, and we can find that. But that's

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Speaker 1: all we have to go on. And we do know

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Speaker 1: that at various times, quote unquote, historical accounts have been anecdotal,

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Speaker 1: heavily biased, written with some sort of strange agenda in mind,

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Speaker 1: or entirely made up and passed off as the real thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to make make the whims of some

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Speaker 1: king or some you know, could be a monarchy, it

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Speaker 1: could be just a government. It could be a single

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Speaker 1: influential person. Hey, increasingly, it could be a corporation. Right,

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Speaker 1: what happens when they write the textbooks? I know, an

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Speaker 1: episode perhaps for another day. But we point this out

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Speaker 1: because we want to thank all of the historians in

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Speaker 1: the audience who are probably, as we speak, going nuts

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Speaker 1: over figuring out some detail that other people have overlooked, misinterpreted,

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Speaker 1: or even purposefully uh mischaracterized, or even you armchair historians

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Speaker 1: out there who are just scouring the web on your

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Speaker 1: own time. The work you do is important and you

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Speaker 1: know nobody else is doing it, So thank you. Right

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Speaker 1: and history, our understanding of history is nowhere near as

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Speaker 1: us believe. And then also, you know this sort of

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Speaker 1: confusion persists in the modern day. We're not so different

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Speaker 1: from the earlier examples of our species. So today we're

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Speaker 1: looking at one such account of strange historical account. We'll

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Speaker 1: call it the legend of the Utsuru Bune. And before

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Speaker 1: with this. Uh you don't speak Japanese. I am unaware

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Speaker 1: if I do, okay, and I will also be surprised

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Speaker 1: if I start speaking Japanese. We're saying this because, um,

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Speaker 1: we do want to be respectful to different cultures, and

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Speaker 1: if there are any mispronunciations or mischaracterized americanisms that sweep

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Speaker 1: that it's still close enough to get the gist. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and let us know if we do make any mistakes

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Speaker 1: like that, you can reach us Jonathan dot Strickland at

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. We have we welcome all feedback.

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Speaker 1: Our complaint department is open twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 1: seven days a week. So we're diving in, or better yet,

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Speaker 1: out of the out of the element, like why would

429
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: that be there? Um. Another pro is the unusual appearance

430
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: of the occupant, which to them in this period would

431
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: have probably would have been alien, I mean not a

432
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: not even alien extraterrestrial sense, just a very very strange,

433
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: licking person. And if we want to bridge a kind

434
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: of the folklore aspect and the UFO USO aspect, we

435
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: lou you look to some stuff having to do with

436
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: the dragon god of the sea, Reugion um. And this

437
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: is there's this place called the Dragon Palace Castle, which

438
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: is a translation of course, that is at the bottom

439
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: of the sea where this god lives and he has

440
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: servants or the god has servants. There are let's see,

441
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: it's built out of solid crystal, which might bring in

442
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: you know what, they believed the windows to be created

443
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: out of um. And there are a lot of legends

444
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: about this place, and one of the legends has to

445
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: do with the inhabitants who had guess what, red hair

446
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: and pink skin. So it feels like maybe if you

447
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: see this and you know about these legends, you're aware

448
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: of Reugion and the denizens or excuse me, the inhabitants

449
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: of the palace under the sea. You may think, well,

450
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: maybe that's what this is. Maybe this is an emissary

451
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: from that realm, from that area, or you know, someone

452
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: trying to escape. Yeah, you know, and that that's a

453
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: great point because we know that having some pre existing information,

454
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: even if you're not even if it's not the front

455
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: of your mind, right, we know that it it can

456
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: be a very powerful priming influence. Yeah, it's a lens

457
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: that you end up seeing it or even though you

458
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: don't realize the lenses there. Other ethnologists and historians also

459
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: took a look at this case um often before it

460
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: became kind of known in the West, because you won't

461
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: find a whole lot of information on it in English. No,

462
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: there are a lot of blogs though. So if you

463
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: do speak Japanese speaking read Japanese, and you have some

464
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: Japanese sources that you would like to hip us too,

465
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: then please cinem our way um give me what you

466
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: think the best translations are. I would love to learn

467
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: more about this. Here's what we have now in various

468
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: in various decades after this event February three, uh other

469
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: experts or scholars investigated this, and one fellow named Yanagita

470
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Kunio really went deep. He went hard on the painting,

471
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: and he emerged a little more skeptical. So he points

472
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: out that the circular boat shapes as as you said, Matt,

473
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: we're not unusual in Japan. They've been around for a while.

474
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: And he said that the really weird stuff for people

475
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: at this time would have been windows made of glass

476
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: and those brazen protective plates, so they would make it

477
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: look um, sort of exotic to the people. Would be

478
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: like seeing a modern car in the time when you know,

479
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: the model T is the thing that you see rolling

480
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: down the street, you know, with with all of the

481
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: glass products and other things, and it would just be strange.

482
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: You couldn't really understand what you're looking at. Yeah, exactly exactly,

483
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: and it would be kind of a It would be

484
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: close enough that you would say that's some sort of car,

485
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: and now they're like, that's some sort of boat. He

486
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: also points out that the oldest versions of this not

487
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: necessarily the most popular, but the oldest versions, according to Yanagita,

488
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: describe humble, circular, open log boats without any dome, and

489
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: he argues that these details, these plates, and these windows

490
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: and stuff were added afterwards because people would inevitably ask

491
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: how did this logboat make it across the open sea? Oh,

492
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: that's a great question, especially an open logboat like that,

493
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: susceptible to any kind of weather. Two waves, it's just

494
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: it's going down. But if it's enclosed, I guess it

495
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. So in this way, it's

496
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: almost like adding on details, not necessarily to a lie,

497
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: but to a story. You know that you're making up

498
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: as you go, and you add more details to make

499
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: it seem more credible, embellishing. Yeah, the high seas could

500
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: be a dangerous place, and some of that may hinge

501
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: on the shape of the boat, because if you're imagining,

502
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, something more like a lifeboat or a canoe,

503
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: that would be that would probably have a better chance

504
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: because it's slightly better shape. But no, this is just

505
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: um a thing that's spherical at the top and rounded

506
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: at the bottom and bobbing along, just moving where the

507
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: ocean takes it. It's like bait and tack, you know.

508
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: Strange so Yanagita also points out that most legends similar

509
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: to that of the suro Bune sound alike. Someone finds

510
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: a strange person, almost always a girl or young woman

511
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: inside a circular boat, and either rescues them or sends

512
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: them back to the ocean. Huh, tails, oldest time this time? Oh,

513
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: I was going to break into song there. Um. Yeah,

514
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean there are so many legends about that kind

515
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: of thing, and you can imagine the stories that mostly

516
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: male sailors would make up while out on the high season.

517
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: You're probably familiar with a lot of them, you know.

518
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, Matt, because it reminds

519
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: me of one of the strangest what are the strangest

520
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: cases of sailors stories that are found out about? Is

521
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: it safe for work? Yeah? It is, Well, we'll tell

522
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: this for work version. For a long time, since people

523
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: were sailing the oceans, right, Uh, there were always legends

524
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: of sea monsters and of aquatic creatures that were very

525
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: close to people. Essentially Mr Folk mermaids, and sailors would

526
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: talk about seeing mermaids from a distance on the shore.

527
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back to like Greco Roman stuff

528
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: with sirens singing. Um. And then the best guests that

529
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: a couple of people have is that they were manatees.

530
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: That doesn't you know. That's the thing that gets me.

531
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: It's I keep thinking, how long did these guys have

532
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: to be out there on the ocean to to think, uh,

533
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: to mistake humanity for a person, and this this misidentification,

534
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: whether it was through you know, seeing a seal or

535
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: manatee or another creature that would kind of like lounge out.

536
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess maybe a walrus, but the tusk

537
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: would probably make it hard to mistake. I guess it

538
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: depends on the distance exact. But um, you know, in

539
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: a way, if these people were hoping to see a

540
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: human of some sort, then they were always kind of

541
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: primed to see it. And if people were familiar with

542
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: these sorts of legends, then they would end up in

543
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: the in the telling, especially if it's oral recounting memories

544
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: so treacherous, they might end up accidentally adding details that

545
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: somebody else misunderstands that add up into something else there

546
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: were Or if it's a great story that you're retelling

547
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: at a tavern somewhere, I mean, why would you just say, oh, no,

548
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: it was just a walrus. That's no fun. I'm just saying,

549
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all of a sudden, it was

550
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: a it was a beautiful mermaid. And the person you

551
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: found a drift in this boat had hair extensions. I'm

552
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: not discounting stories of mer folk. I'm just saying it's unlikely.

553
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: That's all. The ocean is a big place, and from

554
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: our previous episodes, we know that if there are any

555
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: large undiscovered creatures today, they had the odds are highest

556
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: that they would exist in the ocean. Right, so maybe

557
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: they're there. I don't want to I don't want to

558
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: ruin that for anybody, you know, but I do have

559
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: to say they definitely weren't um discovered by a certain

560
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: channel on television in a series called Mermaids. They can

561
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: confirm that they absolutely were not. And I would never

562
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: play play ball with that notion. Um. But I'm not

563
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: going to act like I'm not gonna go see aqua man.

564
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: I'll check it out for sure. I've diverted us. The

565
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: The point here is that there were other scholars who

566
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: are taking vigorous looks at this. One is named Dr

567
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: Kazu Tanaka. Yes, this is a professor for computer and

568
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: electronics engineering at a university in Tokyo. He investigated the

569
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: original texts. The three texts that are you can find now.

570
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: They actually exist in real life right now in museums.

571
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: You can go and pick them up. Um and this

572
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: he did this research and he's considering he's really looking

573
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: at the popular versions of UFO sightings, the more modern

574
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: ones that we can think about, and then comparing those

575
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: to the turo Bune event, let's say, or the retelling

576
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: of it. And he he points out that these legends

577
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: of bun a it never, it never flies, It never

578
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, drives, like we said, it has no control mechanisms,

579
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: at least it's not recorded. It doesn't show any signs

580
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: of technology besides being a boat and maybe having some windows,

581
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: like extraordinary technology. Yeah, nothing beyond what could be GPS,

582
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: No lasers. No, Uh what's that thing in Star Trek

583
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: where it will just create any food or beverage you desire. Oh,

584
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: the it's the food machine. I don't know what it's called.

585
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: Or tricorder. They didn't she didn't have a tricorder with it, right,

586
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: that's a good example. It just I mean this this

587
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: ship just drift. It just drifted across the water. It

588
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: drifted to the fisherman, or they didn't even drift to them.

589
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: They had to go get it and reel it in.

590
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: And so uh Tanaka concluded that this tail was a

591
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: mix of folklore and imagination. He also based his assumptions

592
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: on Yanagita's earlier work. He had one more uh, he

593
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: had a couple more holes to poke in the story

594
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: to will examine after a word from our sponsor, and

595
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: we're back that there's one big problem with this story.

596
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: And it's a really big problem that as somebody from

597
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: the United States just learning about this, I wouldn't have

598
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: thought about unless somebody like Dr Tanaka went through and

599
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: actually examined it. And that's the location of where this

600
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: event purportedly happened. Yes, according to Dr Tanaka, locations that

601
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: have been referenced in various accounts of this are in

602
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: fact fictitious. Uh. He specifically points out Haa Tono Hamma

603
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: and Haara Yador to make the anecdote sound credible. He

604
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: believes the author designated the beaches as personal acreages of

605
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: a local land owner named Ogasawa Nagashigi. Uh. And this

606
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: this character did. This is a real person who did

607
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: live during the Edo period, but his land was in

608
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: in the heartland away from the water, right, and so

609
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: it seems pretty definite, at least according Dr Tanaka, that

610
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: this fellow never had any contact with the fishermen on

611
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: the Pacific coast. Uh. The Ogasawari clan served the Tokugawa

612
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: dynasty and they had power over most of northeastern Japan

613
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: until eighteen sixty eight, and that's a long time after this,

614
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: right right, and there um, their mainland holdings were in

615
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: the Hitashi province, and geographically that's very close to eastern beaches,

616
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: and so Dr Tanaka found it very odd that such

617
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: a strange incident could have occurred and it wasn't commented

618
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: upon in any official documents, right You'd think so if

619
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: something this strange and seemingly important occurred to an individual

620
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: who's that close and proximity to power occurred, you think

621
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: it would be written down somewhere. Somebody somewhere is being

622
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: told this, and they would go, Okay, the strange thing happened.

623
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Perhaps there's some kind of invaders going on with this.

624
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: It's at least worth documentary, right Yeah. And let's also

625
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: keep in mind that this was during a period of isolation,

626
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: national insolation, right where in Japan really limited um, really

627
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: limited a lot of international interactions. So nearly all foreigners

628
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: were barred from entering except in a very specific circumstances,

629
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: the common resident of Japan, like the normal you know

630
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: Jane or John Doe of Japan like you and I,

631
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: had very little chance of ever leaving the country, so

632
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: this would have been beyond unusual, right uh. And there

633
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: is a remarkable incident that is documented that Dr Tanaka

634
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: found and it happened in eighteen twenty four when a

635
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: British whaler was stranded on the northeastern coast of the

636
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Hitachi district. Before you ask, no, he did not show

637
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: up in a weird cupcake looking chip. Uh. Tanaka also

638
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: found out that during the rulership of the Tokugawa clan,

639
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: uh the Ogasawara family and the Tokugawa started mapping their territories.

640
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: And this is important because the names of both of

641
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: the beaches mentioned in the text are missing, and they

642
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: also do not appear on the maps of the whole

643
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: of Japan, which came out in nineteen o seven. If

644
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: the name of a village, a city, or a place

645
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: had changed in history, this would have been noted right

646
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: So because of this, Dr Tanaka thinks thinks that this

647
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 1: is probably just a legend of folklore similar to um

648
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: similar to the stories in modern urban legends, right, you know,

649
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: the one trace the call, and the phone call was

650
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: coming from inside the house, and it wasn't at this town,

651
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't my first cousin, but it's someone that

652
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: knows my first cousin, and they live a few towns over.

653
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: And there was a hook sticking out of the side

654
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: of the driver window. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it

655
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: was a Pontiac were the pontiac is not around anymore.

656
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: This happened to someone's older brother who went to a

657
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: school a couple of districts away. They were think, yeah,

658
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: there were a few grades above us. You know, it's

659
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: always just a little bit, a little bit too far

660
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: to reach, and it's tantalizing lee possible. And let's go

661
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: back into this eighteen twenty four account of the British

662
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: whaler who got stranded. Uh. The first accounting of this

663
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: is recorded the next year in the first the first one,

664
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: what was it called um Tales of the Rabbit Garden

665
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: is when that is officially written. So perhaps there's a

666
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: little styling going on there of something an actual occurrence,

667
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: and then you bring some folklore into it. I mean,

668
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: that's that's at least a great tale to put into

669
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: your book called Tales from the Rabbit Garden. That's a

670
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: good point. So we know there's an isolation is placed

671
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: where this sort of incident would have been reported immediately. Right.

672
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: And also these uh ethnologists and historians who look back

673
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: at this later in the modern day, they they pointed

674
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: out something that really caught me, which is that originally

675
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: aliens UFOs were not part of the conversation. Okay, there

676
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: was There wasn't like a term for flying saucer, right,

677
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: um so or extraterrestrial. I guess there might be a term,

678
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be applied the same way we use

679
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: it today. A visitor of sorts, but not like that.

680
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: So they're saying that over time the ufo thing got

681
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: retro fitted onto it, you know what I mean. Uh.

682
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: The particularly European appearance of the woman right uh, shades skin,

683
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: red hair, uh, the upper part of the utsu bune,

684
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: and the unknown writing right the language that the fisherman

685
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: could not identify, lead both Tanaka and Yanagida to the

686
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: conclusion that the entire story was based on this historical circumstance.

687
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: Um people. If the of the period were totally insulated

688
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: from the outside world, so that this was more or

689
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: a tale reflecting xenophobic cultural attitudes, sort of the same

690
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: way again that modern urban legends reflect fears that are

691
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: already in popular culture. Right like in the n nineties,

692
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: the Satanic Panic, late eighties Satanic Panic thing gripped the nation.

693
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: In these people, every um, every region had some sort

694
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: of tale of a secret occult thing going on. And

695
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: in some cases, I'll go on record saying it, Yeah,

696
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: in some cases they were probably true. Not that like

697
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: dark magic worked or anything, but there were people who

698
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: conducted ritual murders. Yeah, and it may not have had

699
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: anything to do with Satan or anything like that. Right,

700
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: it made it, But that stuff happened. It just didn't

701
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: happen near as often nor as widespread as people thought

702
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: it did. But there's often a seed of truth in

703
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: these sorts of stories. And if we look at it

704
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: from a structural perspective, the construction of the story, it's

705
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: ultimately like a lot of other legends itself explaining the

706
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: woman disappears, knowing in what she said, the boxes goes

707
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: with her. Yeah, there's no artifact, there's no nothing. And

708
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: another thing which was new information to us is that

709
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: the people of the period here apparently had great interest

710
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: in paranormal things, loved ghost stories, monster stories, bizarre events.

711
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't be surprising to find these stories of

712
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: the strange and inexplicable in these books. Yeah, those are

713
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: the best stories in my opinion. That's I think one

714
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: of the big reasons why you and I and Nol

715
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: and Trustan are interested in these things, because it's so

716
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: other and outside of anything we experience that you get

717
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: to you live in that world where monsters exist and ghosts,

718
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, remain after the physical body leaves. I think

719
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: we're going to have to differ here, Matt, you don't

720
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: want to live in there. No monsters do exist, I think.

721
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: But but like like Krakens, or are we talking about

722
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: human monsters? What kind of monsters are we talking about? Where? Wolves?

723
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: So when we bring it all back together, what our conclusions.

724
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: Could this be nothing more than a popular legend recited

725
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: over and over, changing a bit each time. It's pretty

726
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: clear that in the years following the initial reports, a

727
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: large portion of the population except that this is fact,

728
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: believed something came ashore. But does that mean it actually happened?

729
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean the fictitious locations are real obstacle here yea.

730
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: And as far as Dr Tanaka looked into it, it

731
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: seems that those locations are Indeed, it's much more likely

732
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: that those locations were fictitious rather than renamed. Yeah. For me,

733
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: it's more and more feeling like a version or a

734
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: retelling of an older story that had some new details

735
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: put into it. And I really, I really think you're

736
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: well their analysis and then our going over the idea

737
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: that perhaps it was a morphing. It was a morphing

738
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: of these these folklore tales dealing with the isolationism in

739
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: the area at the time in the eight when the

740
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: story was written, and then later on kind of doing

741
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: the same thing, except for in more modern times in

742
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, tales of alien spacecraft that were very

743
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: popular then get morphed like this thing gets or they

744
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: get pulled into this thing, right, So then it's just

745
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: kind of just been changing over time little by little.

746
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: But there there's some other questions, and I think we

747
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: can end on some questions here, how seaworthy would a

748
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: vessel like this actually be? As we said, no sales,

749
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: no steering equipment, no oars, etcetera. Where did it come from?

750
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Could it have come from Russia? Perhaps if you look

751
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: at some of the ocean currents around here, not around

752
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: here we're not in right now, but around the land

753
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: mass of Japan. You see here on the coast there's

754
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: a current that goes from sort of southwest to northeast

755
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: along the bottom and then later sort of the eastern

756
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: part of Japan. But at the top there's a current.

757
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: In the northeast, there's a current that goes the exact

758
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: opposite direction. So as these if you if you look

759
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: at the way these currents well swarm around, it looks

760
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: like it's possible that something with no steering could have

761
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: drifted down. But you know the best way to find

762
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: that out is to build one of these ships and

763
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: put it out the water and see what happens. What

764
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: are you what are you doing? What are you doing

765
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: this summer? I'm building around ship that has some brazen

766
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: sides and a couple of windows. But you know, the

767
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: one last thing we have to get into is is

768
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: it possible that there's something even crazier like the here's

769
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: where it's get it gets crazy moment, Like could this

770
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: have been a person that was pulled out of time,

771
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: perhaps out of some other dimension, out of some other

772
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, maybe a time when ships did look like that,

773
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 1: or an alternate dimension. I know, that's you're getting into

774
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: the weirdness. I mean, probably not right, I especially because

775
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: there's meat and water, like some kind of container, water bedding,

776
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: recognizable stuff, and oh yeah, and the language could have

777
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: just been cyrillic Russian, you know. And if there's an

778
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: isolations policy, then the chances of people knowing or even

779
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: without like speaking reading, just recognizing another written language and

780
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: being able to say, oh that's Russian, oh that's French

781
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: or something, those chances are pretty low. And the very

782
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: last question, the one that stuck with me. I don't

783
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: know about you, Matt, but the one that stuck with me,

784
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: the one that has our producer shrugging in uh, infuming

785
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: and frustration. What happened to the lady in the ship?

786
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: What happened to the woman on the ship. Well, she

787
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: went back down to the dragon palace and you know,

788
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: she got she took a bunch of notes, she wrote

789
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: them inside her ship. That's what she was doing. That's

790
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: why there's all the writing there. And they were like,

791
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: did you remember the box? And she said, definitely. The

792
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: question is what was its function? What was it doing?

793
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: Maybe it was some kind of sound recording device or

794
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: a camera maybe yeah, maybe yeah, maybe it was an

795
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: a nes classic. If people are getting doing weird stuff

796
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: to those that is that how Nintendo, it was a

797
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: brilliant marketing campaign that started centuries ago. I know, four

798
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: video games. I just found out that they were making

799
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: you know cards in the eight hundreds, which is pretty awesome. Nintendo,

800
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: Good on you for making that switch. Oh yeah, I

801
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: didn't even expect that one until it was nice. That's nice,

802
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: And we would like to hear your opinion about this,

803
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: and additionally, we would like to hear other historical anomalies

804
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: that you have found, because whether this is entirely gen

805
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: whether it's based in truth, whether it's something even weirder

806
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: than the various theories we explored today, we'd like to

807
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: hear about it. Yeah, and you're part of the world.

808
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: Did a ship like this show up in a little

809
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: bit later in eighteen o two, eighteen o three, Maybe this,

810
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, matches up somewhere else in the world where

811
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: it just floated to Did your parents, grandparents or ancestors

812
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: meet when one of them washed ashore in a mysterious craft.

813
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: If so, have you taken a DNA test, we'd love

814
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: to hear about it, or just send us some DNA

815
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: and you know we'll take care of it. Or you

816
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: can write an email which reminds me it's time for

817
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: our chat at Corners. Our first shout out comes from Sydney.

818
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: Sidney says, hi, guys, I was listening to both episodes

819
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: of your Serial Killers series. Loved them. You said you

820
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: might do a third one. I was going to suggest

821
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: maybe the West Mesa murders from Albuquerque, New Mexico. I

822
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: live here and people are still talking about them pretty often.

823
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. Check it out if you want. Thanks

824
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: for reading. Oh all right, Sydney, I don't know much

825
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: about that, Ben. Are you aware of these at all?

826
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: That this was absolutely news to me. I think we

827
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: should do a third episode or the installment of that series,

828
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: So let us know if we would like Matt Nolan

829
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: I to uh to investigate this in a future episode

830
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: and send us just take a page out of Sydney's

831
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: book and send us your suggestions. Awesome, thank you for writing, Sydney.

832
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad that enjoy is not the right word to use.

833
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: I think we talked about it in that episode, But

834
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: there's something compelling and fascinating, especially when you consider how

835
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: many of these crimes occur with relatively little fanfare outside

836
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: of their region. I mean, the Highway of Tears was

837
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: an active hunting ground for how long decades? And just

838
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: to add a little bit of mystery here to the

839
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: end of it, I just looked it up. Ben. In

840
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, the remains of eleven women were found

841
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: buried in the desert of West Mesa, and no suspects

842
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: have been arrested, and a serial killer is believed to

843
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: be responsible. All right, we're on the case. Our next

844
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: Our next shout out is a little bit unusual. It's

845
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: something that we we haven't always done en. It's something

846
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I'd like your help with, folks. So I went on

847
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: Twitter recently for a tangentially related thing to ask a

848
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: question because I spent part of an afternoon trying to

849
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: figure out the proper plural of bigfoot? Is it just

850
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: big foot like sheep? Yeah, there are there are several

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Speaker 1: big foot and there are some sheep um or is

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Speaker 1: it big foots? Three big foots were on the road

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Speaker 1: that day or is it big feet? Man, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know how many big feet I was here and

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Speaker 1: walking around. These are great examples, Matt, this is this

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Speaker 1: is a gift. So we went on Twitter. We asked

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Speaker 1: about it, and we we got a lot of responses.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna read a few here. Oh Man, Yawn

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Speaker 1: has a great one. This is my favorite. All right,

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Speaker 1: what is it? John says, I believe it's like surgeons

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Speaker 1: and attorneys general bigg's foot? Um all right? Uh? And

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Speaker 1: then Stephen Even says one big foot, more bigfoot and

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Speaker 1: big foot ist definitely a Kyle Sherman says, I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you can call a group of bigfoot a trample

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Speaker 1: a trample of bigfoot? You can, now, but then what

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Speaker 1: do you you gotta still say something for a trample

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Speaker 1: of big Foot's See, here's the thing, Okay, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: I spent way too much time thinking about this. You

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say teeth brushes if you had two toothbrushes. That's

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Speaker 1: very true. So also, yeah, you're never brushing a single tooth. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess sometimes you are due to circumstances. But it's

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Speaker 1: a teeth brush. It's a teeth brush. Uh. So We

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Speaker 1: also had a buddy friend of the show, Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: chime in. Do you Clark? I know that guy. He

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Speaker 1: and I talked about the issues, the important issues at hand.

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Speaker 1: He voted for bigfoots really, which is sort of what

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Speaker 1: David Bakara I feel like David Bakara from our earlier

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Speaker 1: bigfoot interview he hit the ploys used was Bigfoot's. Well,

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Speaker 1: do right in and let us know. Because I still

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Speaker 1: can't let this go and it seems like there's not

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Speaker 1: really a consensus. We have time for one more. Shoutout.

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Speaker 1: Jeff from Ontario, shout out to you. Jeff says, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I just listened to the Pyramids episode. I listened to

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, wondering if you were going to mention

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Speaker 1: the pyramids on Mars. By the way, that is pyramids

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Speaker 1: on Mars. I'm kind of glad you didn't go there.

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Speaker 1: It would have cheapened the sincerity of the subject. We

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Speaker 1: did mention something that actually I kind of need to correct.

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Speaker 1: I said a monolith on one of the moons of Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: That is incorrect. It's on one of the more moons

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Speaker 1: of Mars. But we did mention that. Let's get back

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Speaker 1: in here. Jeff also writes you were right about skaed

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Speaker 1: Dooch proceeding Kung Fu Panda by quite a bit. I'm

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Speaker 1: a big Jabls fan and user of skadooch as sort

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Speaker 1: of an exclamation point, enough so that it was one

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Speaker 1: of my niece and nephew's first words. Well, congratulations. It

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Speaker 1: brought them a ton of joy and it was super

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Speaker 1: cute to see their smiles peek out as they struggled

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Speaker 1: to say it through their pacifiers. Thanks for the great show, Jeff, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Jeff. You know, I think pyramids on any

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Speaker 1: other planet is just an awesome topic because if it,

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Speaker 1: if we did find that, I mean, the implications ben

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Speaker 1: right right. But again, going back to that episode, is

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Speaker 1: that a pyramid or is it just sort of a

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Speaker 1: pointy mountain? It's probably just like the one that they discovered.

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Speaker 1: And then yeah, and then also, and this will warm

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Speaker 1: knowles heart, will warm our colleagues heart to hear your

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Speaker 1: information about schedooch, Jeff, So thank you so much. Writing

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Speaker 1: This concludes our gosh, but not our show. We will

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Speaker 1: return next week with something. Just let's see what do

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Speaker 1: we have lined up? Oh, we have some interviews oh yes,

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Speaker 1: and we have another one coming up. Can we spoil

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Speaker 1: kind of what it is or just let it come out?

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Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think it has to

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Speaker 1: do with what happens when something catastrophic occurs in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. I think that's cryptic enough. Yeah, check it out.

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Speaker 1: Your future just might depend on it. No pressure. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, you can find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: where we are Conspiracy Stuff and Conspiracy Stuff Show, respectively.

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Speaker 1: If none of that is quite um scratching your itch

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Speaker 1: the opening your yeah, then you can take a tip

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Speaker 1: from your fellow listeners and email us directly. We are

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Speaker 1: conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.