1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it? Pat? Oh? My goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: it's put? DeAndre Hopkins pot he caught it for duckdown. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: You've got to be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: presented by the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Problem solved, buck down, Tyler Murray. That defender is in 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foot of Baker 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc and here we are 15 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: on the very first day of paths and the first 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: question is who will be the first to flex? And 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about here the ninety or so guys 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: on that roster right now. I'm talking right here, right now, 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: right in front of us, Darren Urban paula podcast, Who 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: will be the first to flex and name drop as 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: to the luminaries and VIPs that the two of us 22 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: have been hanging out with lately. Dot dot Dot You're 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: on Cardinal's on a ground brought you a by Pacific 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: Office Automation. Because there was Darren and back together Saturday, 25 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: and I saw him up on the concourse and the 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: how could you miss him? The bright lights were on, 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: people were shouting your name. You were sitting next to 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: NFL Network's own Go ahead, Peter Schrager. There you go 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: for all of ninety seconds on air. Were you live 30 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: or not? Was that live? Well? Us? Were you the 31 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: bill O'Reilly will do it live? You wrote it and 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: you did it live? Well? I didn't write anything. I 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: was all excited. And then we came and we were 34 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: like the fourth out of four camps that they were 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: hitting on. And by the time they got to me, 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: they were like, we're almost out of time. Get this. 37 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: It's in there as fast. So I spent a half 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: hour sitting up there for like ninety seconds. Welcome to TV, Darren. 39 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: But Peter is a good dude, so yeah, see, I 40 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: mean I didn't talk to the Commissioner Roger Goodell, like 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: you did, Paul. Oh see, you stole my thunder you 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: want see? I was gonna I thought I was gonna 43 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: beat you to it and actually flex my own name 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: that I was hanging out with earlier. But you beat 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: me to it. So there you go. The polyprop bed 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: goes to Darren Urban. Yes, this morning I was there 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: and we were am seeing a little get together for 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: some of the VIPs and the commissioner, Roger Goodell. So 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: he actually enjoyed the nickname Paul Piskin. He actually called that. 50 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: He called me that several times, so I had that 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: going for our listening audience will enjoy that. I'm sure 52 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: you know what I forgot to share with Roger Goodell 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: is that we share this same birthday, February nineteenth. And 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: I never made that little small talk conversation with the 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: NFL commissioner. When did you find this out? I just 56 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: did a quick, you know, search Wikipedia and Roger Goodell 57 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: and I noticed that, and I noticed we share the 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: same birthday. I don't know if you've heard, Paul, but 59 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: I share the same birthday with Larry Fitzger. That is right, 60 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: That is right. Well, you know that's funny because Zach 61 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: Wilson is in the news today. If you're sharing the 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: same birthday with Tom Tom Brady, so these things happen 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: in threes. There you go, Okay, we're people sharing birthdays 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: have been some three that's right. We're officially often running 65 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: around here and so and by the way, speaking of 66 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, did you see the Holy can only stat 67 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: that they're returning all twenty two Super Bowl starters, the 68 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl champion to do that since the seventy 69 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: seven Raiders, which I don't know how they calculate this stuff, 70 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: but that is interesting, isn't I mean, it's so I 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: mean when you it's actually I'm a little surprised it 72 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: went back quite that far. I would have thought maybe 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: some of those teams in the eighties might have done that, 74 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: because again, free agency is what really Jack's at all up. 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: It really shows you where the NFL was though in 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: the seventies were how easy it was to keep all 77 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: these guys? Yeah, but who were we to speak? We 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: didn't keep everyone going into this season. Once again, Kyle 79 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: d Guard is not here, so you know when we 80 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: announced his replacement. I'm sure you're listening. You know we're 81 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: gonna do for Kyle, by the way, we're gonna compare 82 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: the war when we find his replacement and announce it 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: that we're gonna do wins above replacement, and just for Kyle, 84 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we've got a stat form and we'll see how his 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: war compares with is do they do war in football? 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: By the way, or that. I do believe there are 87 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: there are sites that have attempted football war, so that 88 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: would be fantastic. I don't know if there's any sites 89 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: that have attempted broadcasting war. But by the way, in 90 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: honor of Kyle, just to rub it in a little bit, 91 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: what did Zach Allen say earlier today that the chemistry 92 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: is so good in the D line room? How good 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: is it, Paulieu? It's so good that he doesn't even 94 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: listen to music anymore. He doesn't feel the need to 95 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: put in the earbuds. There's such good conversations, conversation allegedly 96 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: ostensibly in that D line room. That's the kind of 97 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: chemistry that they have formulated, this group of D lineman. 98 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: I actually really love the fact that when he was 99 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: talking about how he and Michael Dogby and Lecky Foe 100 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: two and Richard Lawrence got together this offseason and we're 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: working like eight hours a day with like two workouts 102 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: in film study because they're tired of being the young 103 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: guys on the defensive line, right, they actually want to 104 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: be contributors. And that's I mean, I think that I 105 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: like all four of those guys a lot. I don't know, 106 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: you know what their upside is. You know, whether they're 107 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: going to be more than rotational guys. We're gonna have 108 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: to see. But like, I would love for all those 109 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: guys to actually make an impact because they're all good dudes. 110 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I did an event in the offseason and Zach Allen 111 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: referenced that here's how you go next level with that story, 112 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Darren Urman, you're ready for this blockbuster on asy Cardinals 113 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah. I believe part of their offseason regiment 114 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: was hot yoga. That the four of them would go 115 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: to a hot yoga session and in the middle of 116 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: the summer May and June in Arizona. Oh, it put 117 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: the hot into hot yoga, I can imagine. So although 118 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: that might be good for the cameras to show up 119 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: to that, what if the cameras ever got out there 120 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: got some of that for Cardinals flight plan. You know 121 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: that's a I don't think they did. But I don't 122 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: know what the protocols are for in COVID times with 123 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: hot yoga. I mean, is that killing the virus right 124 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: off the bat? I don't know if I gave our 125 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: boss Tim de Landy some free advice on how to 126 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: produce a Cardinals flight plan. You think that you could 127 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: put me in the doghouse or what you know? I 128 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: should I guess I should have suggested that three months ago. 129 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: That would have actually helped out this situation. Have nothing. 130 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: Are we wearing the same shirt? We are wearing the 131 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: same Say you're sorry about that? I got distracted. Yeah. 132 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: By the way, Zach Allen, here's your holy can only 133 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: stat Do you buy this? When he says he dropped 134 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: six percent in body fat in the off season, bought 135 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: he bulked up to two eighty five. So I guess 136 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: he's redefining good weight. Yeah, I would say so. I 137 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: mean six percent off of your body fat percentage. But 138 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: then you added weight to get up to two eighty five. 139 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean that's a really productive off season. That is 140 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,679 Speaker 1: a very productive off season. I may think about talking 141 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: to him about what his diet in regiment was so 142 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: I could do some of that, and right in the 143 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: hot yoga is how he got rid of the body fat. 144 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: So that's all that comes together, all right. So because 145 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: I was hanging with wait for it, Roger Goodell this morning, 146 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: I missed a good portion of the first practice in 147 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: pass me. You know, I mean, let there be full pads, 148 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: full contact, full speed football. What did I miss? Anyone? 149 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: Get jack stopped? How to go? No, there's no jack stopping? Uh? 150 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: You know we were not the Carolina Panthers where a 151 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: guy got cut for leveling. You saw that, Well, I 152 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: didn't see the video. I saw the story, okay, because 153 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm kind of it sounds very bad. The guy was 154 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: taken off on an ambulance and he got hit hard 155 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: in the neck. Wasn't expecting it was defensive, defensive, defenseless 156 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: receiver situation. But no, there was certainly none of that 157 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: from the Cardinals. And and that's obviously smart. It's funny. 158 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: It feels like we're out here forever. And I guess 159 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: seven padded practices Ultimately in training camp, there's actually quite 160 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: a few when you think about, you know, if you 161 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: have two a week over most of the camp. That's 162 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: that's probably gets you to the end of camp. But 163 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: when Cliff Kingsbury said they're only allowed seven padded practices, 164 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, that's that's not a whole lot. But no, 165 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately I think they they you know, Cliff 166 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: was saying how physical they were. I was expecting maybe 167 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more intense city. Not that there was 168 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: anything wrong with what they did, um, but you know, 169 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: you get kind of hyped up for this part of 170 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: camp after waiting for a week and kind of waiting 171 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: to see what you have. And I you know, I 172 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: did get to watch some of the one on one 173 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: drills between the pass rushers UD get up against Chandler Jones. 174 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: You know, it was the one I saw. I saw 175 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: DJ versus Marcus Golden, which was pretty cool. I saw 176 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham versus Chandler. Now I didn't see all of them, 177 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: and this is a one off. So Chandler, if you 178 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: hear this, I don't want you getting mad at me later. 179 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: But Chandler came off one time and Kelvin Beacham stoned him. 180 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean like he went nowhere and got locked up 181 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: and it ended quickly and It was funny because later 182 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: when they were both done, they kind of walked around 183 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: and meet each other because you know, when they do 184 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: those drills, it's the offensive line on one side and 185 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: the defensive line hang on the other, and then you 186 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: have the line of scrimmage ered quotes. And they kind 187 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: of walked around to meet each other later and Chandler 188 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: I didn't hear exactly what they were saying, but Chandler 189 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: was kind of giving Kelvin grief about totally shutting him down, 190 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: and Kelvin was smiling about it, and they were there 191 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: ever having a laugh about it. But I do enjoy 192 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: that part of it that got there was a couple 193 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: with the lower depth chart. Guys. There was a couple 194 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: of very interesting tangles. But I expected to get a 195 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: little bit more intense as it were, and the next 196 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: time maybe they're out in padded practices. They were thumping 197 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: early with some like inside the tackles run game stuff, 198 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: and that was kind of cool to see. But I 199 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: expected to level up as we go. I mean, we're 200 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: only ten days out of a game, so it needs 201 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: to ratchet up. What about what about Josh Jones, because 202 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: he's been getting a lot of reps at right guard, 203 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: especially now with Brian Winters out and right tackle Kelvin 204 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Beecham was out for a while because of the COVID protocols. 205 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: Gem to see seventy nine and how he might have fared, 206 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: you know what I didn't see, particularly in the one 207 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: on Ones. I have been watching him. It is nice 208 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: to see. You know, there was a lot of people 209 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: that see, I don't know what the word would be 210 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: concerned that when Josh Jones got brought up in the offseason, 211 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury or whomever might say, you know, guard this 212 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,119 Speaker 1: and guard that, and they're like, why isn't he playing tackle? Well, ultimately, 213 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals are doing, unless you're a starter, you're 214 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: you're cross training at least two positions. So Josh Jones 215 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: is going to be guard and tackle. In the fact, 216 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: there was one play a couple of days ago where 217 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: literally Josh Jones and Justin Murray Josh Jones was at 218 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: right tackle, Justin Murray was at right guard or maybe 219 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: it was left tackle, left guard, whatever it was, and 220 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: and they flip flopped like they did a play where 221 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: Murray was the guard and Jones was a tackle, and 222 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: literally the next play when they came to line of scrimmage, 223 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: they were the other thing. So everybody's kind of moving around. 224 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: But I do think Josh Jones got a ton of 225 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: right tackle work when Beecham was out. They had to. 226 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: They were missing three starting offensive linemen, and it's all 227 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: reps that he needs to get. And I just think again, 228 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: because he's cross training, he's not always at right tackle. 229 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: And if you're going to have him active as a 230 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: backup Paul, you want him to be able to play 231 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: guard as well as tackle because that's necessary for guys 232 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: that are active on game day more than ever. It's 233 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: just one of those things twenty twenty one positional flexibility. 234 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: The coaches not only value that, the personnel guys value that. 235 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: We were talking about personnel guy on the sideline two 236 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: practices ago. The name Justin Murray came up and he 237 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: almost cut us off in vin sentence and said, they 238 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: love the fact that he plays garden tackle. It makes 239 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: it so much easier to keep him on the roster. 240 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: So you know what Josh Jones' best interest is the 241 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: learn bow spots and really be able to handle both 242 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: in a capable fashion. He'll he'll darn your guarantee himself 243 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: a decade long career in the NFL if he can 244 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: play both. And I think the people that are I mean, 245 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: you ultimately want to have Josh Jones. The idea was 246 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: you drafted him and he can be your long term 247 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: right tackle. But but you also drafted him before you 248 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: got Calvin Beacham. And Beacham was pretty solid last year, 249 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: and he's gonna be your guy this year unless something happens. 250 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: So you're right, at this point in his career, it's 251 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: just better to keep learning both of them and and 252 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: do that and have the best offensive line you can 253 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: have out there. And if Beacham's that guy at right 254 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: tackle right now, that's fine. All right, So all right, 255 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: you concur with other people. I've asked around here as 256 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: to whether there was any uh, you know, big signature hit, 257 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, any sort of memorable lasting you know, thud 258 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: or popp into the pads necessarily, so you know, I 259 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: sort of described it to Marcus Golden earlier about, well, 260 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like guys are easing into full contact, full pads. 261 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: He took exception. He looked at me, not me, No, 262 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: not me, bro no myself. That was that was a 263 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: mistake by your struli. By the way, did I see 264 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: the headline on Acy Cardinals dot com longest week of Camp? Yes, 265 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: according to whom exactly that would be. According to me, 266 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: I wrote the headline there. Now, are you basing that 267 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: on the calendar just a sure number of days because 268 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: we're not we're certainly not at the dog days of 269 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: camp yet. Well, that makes this the longest week of camp? Well, 270 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, First of all, they act to six 271 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: days in a row this week. You can I hope 272 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: you're under aware of that, Paul, as you need to 273 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: come out out here Monday through Saturday. I don't think 274 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: there's another week where they're they have that many days 275 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: in a row and there's nothing at the other end 276 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: of it other than Sunday being off and then you 277 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: come back for practice next week. So that's how I 278 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: look at it as the longest day once you get 279 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: into game weeks. To me, yeah, you've been in camp 280 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: for a long time, but the dog day kind of 281 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: thing goes away because you're you're you're moving towards a camp. 282 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: Now we could we can argue about the lack of 283 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: a fourth preseason game now and that week right after 284 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: the third preseason game, because now you're gonna have like 285 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: twelve days between games and everything is going to be 286 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: eased in. And you know, I'm okay with the fact 287 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: that it's the longest week this week because right now 288 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: with fans, it's still open for us to talk about 289 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: We can talk about this stuff. I can write about 290 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: this stuff after the I believe right after the Chiefs game. 291 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: There are no more open practices for the rest of 292 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: camp and we're still here two weeks. So the reporting 293 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: and the discussion is going to shrink significantly other than 294 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: what we've seen in preseason games because practice is gonna 295 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: be off limits. I'm glad you're looking ahead. I've been 296 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: taking a one camp practice that it's so, that's good. 297 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: That's good. I was not aware of that. So what 298 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: do we know so far? What do we know? You know, 299 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: more than a week in a camp now a week 300 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and half or so, what sort of conclusions have we 301 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: arrived at that? I mean, I'll just take a fly here. 302 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: Aj Green looks good by the way. Peter Schreger, okay, 303 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: so I'll return the favor. I'll name drop your guy. 304 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: We were doing debate this and one of the questions 305 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: was which thirty year old newcomer to the Cardinals is 306 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: poised to have the biggest impact. And I was about 307 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: to list JJ Watt and Rodney Hudson and Malcolm Butler, 308 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: and I even included like Chandler Jones and Robert Alfred 309 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: because they weren't here or at least for most of 310 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: the last year. And he cut me off mid sentence 311 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: and he said, AJ Green said, based to what I 312 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: just saw in this camp practice, the way eighteen looked 313 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: out there. So whereas I know for myself, we're kind 314 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: of getting used to seeing AJ Green and how good 315 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: he looks if you just see him for the very 316 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: first time, and maybe you've witnessed the lack of AJ 317 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: Green the pro bowler the last two years in Cincinnati, 318 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: compared to what he looks like so far in camp. 319 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: You know, there's the known and the unknown. So far 320 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: that's most definitely unknown. Also, considering what DeAndre Hopkins had 321 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: to say about AJ Green, R, Yeah, hop is you 322 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: know hop hop knew it would everybody would pay attention. 323 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: But he kind of feels like AJ Green in the 324 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: status he's at right now, is the best receiver he's 325 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: played with, even though he played with Fits, even though 326 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: he played with Andre Johnson, he felt like those guys 327 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: were at the end of their careers. Now, I'd have 328 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: to look this up. Somebody made the note on my 329 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: tweet about that that Andre Johnson had like fourteen hundred 330 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: yards one year that he played with Hopkins, So that's 331 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. I don't know what the crossover was. Obviously, 332 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: we know where Fitz was last year in hopkins first season, 333 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: but I understand where he's coming from. And I do 334 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: think aj Green has looked very good. And I've talked 335 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: to a couple of people that says, when they watched 336 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: the film last year, you know, did he have a 337 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: couple of drops. Yes, he did have a couple of drops, 338 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: but the idea that he didn't have the athleticism or 339 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: the speed. They didn't really understand that. Now, he didn't 340 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: have quarterbacks throwing to him in Cincinnati, especially once Joe 341 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: Burrow got hurt. He's been playing on turf. You know, 342 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: he was trying to come back off a year off 343 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: because of his foot injury in twenty nineteen that caused 344 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: him and missed the whole season, and then he said 345 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: he was dealing with a hamstring as well. Yeah, I'm look, 346 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here and saying AJ Green is going 347 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: to go off for twelve hundred yards and make the 348 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. I don't. I don't know if that's going 349 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: to happen or not. And you know, the hamstring is 350 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: something that okay, you're like, Okay, where where are we? 351 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of like JJ Watt, I'm like that with 352 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: an older player, if you've already had a problem, who 353 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: knows if that could become an issue again, you don't 354 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: want that to become an issue. But what we've seen 355 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: of him in camp, I've been pretty impressed with. I mean, 356 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: if you're to take d hop at his word and 357 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: you believe that players know players for him to make 358 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: that comment about AJ Green and then followed up during 359 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: the press commons say he still believes that Green quote 360 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: is at the peak of his career and in his 361 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: prime at thirty three this season. Okay, I'm right. We 362 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: saw Larry have some very productive seasons at thirty two, 363 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: thirty three, thirty four, okay, and then to have him 364 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: just say, look, he's gonna be able to help me 365 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: out a lot. DeAndre Hopkins now he's going to draw 366 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: the safety away from me that much more often, which 367 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: can you know, give maybe just that added extra distance 368 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: in a window that will make the difference between a 369 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: completion and a batted ball, for example. So you know 370 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's intriguing, I guess. And then when you 371 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: take Rondale Moore, I had someone check this out. You're 372 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: a good guy to ask on this one. Thank you. 373 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: Did you cover Ant Kwon Bolden's rookie debut at Detroit? 374 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: Somebody said and in the know within the organization that 375 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: they compare Rondale Moore to the impact An Kwon Bolden 376 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: had as a rookie at he could be we haven't 377 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: even gotten to the first preseason game yet, so okay, 378 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: pump your brakes a little bit. That Rondelmore could be 379 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: that sort of guy that as a rookie receiver could 380 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: have that sort of impact And those are big words, 381 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: and he knew it, but he said, look, there is 382 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: a chance he could be that sort of impact player. 383 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: So here's my Ant Kumbolden debut story. I think I've 384 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: told this before, but I'm gonna tell it again because 385 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: we have lots of time to do it. So Jerry 386 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Sullivan who's one of the receiver's coaches right now for 387 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: this team. Oh, here's your angle on a story. By 388 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: the way, we gotta get Jerry Sulliman to talk to 389 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: him about this, okay. Jerry Sullivan was the offensive coordinator 390 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: in An Kumbolden's rookie year for the Arizona Cardinals, and 391 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: we got to the end of the preseason. I was 392 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: doing some at the time. I was working for the 393 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: Tribute in the newspaper, and we were I was sitting 394 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: with him outside after a practice and I was going 395 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: over him and Brian Johnson, who was also a rookie, 396 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: doing some story on the two of them going into 397 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: their first game. And this was Thursday or Friday before 398 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: that Detroit game where they opened on the road and 399 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: ant Quon only had like two catches four catches that preseason. 400 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: It was really weird because I knew they liked them, 401 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: but they weren't using them. And Jerry was like, look, 402 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: he goes off the record, he goes we have intentionally 403 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: not put him out there because I'm telling you right now, Darren, 404 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: this kid is going to hit the ground running and 405 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: he's going to be really good from the outset and 406 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: we're going to be throwing him the ball, and we 407 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: didn't want anybody to really know that, so we didn't 408 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: put him out there. And then he goes out and 409 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: goes for ten to seventeen and two touchdowns and looks unbelievable. 410 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: And we all know where an Quan's story went from there. 411 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: So you know, I love an Kuan bold and I 412 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: loved him since the day walked in and you know 413 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: that debut was unbelievable. But you know, is that going 414 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: to happen here? I don't. I don't know if they're 415 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: not going to use Ron Dale more in preseason games. 416 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: I would hope they would. And he's a serious cat, 417 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: he really is. I mean he has more of a 418 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: defense mentality on the offensive side of the ball, which 419 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: was Anne Kwon Bolden. Yeah, there was no bigger dog 420 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: or receiver. I mean, he had the mentality to play 421 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: linebacker or strong safety. And if he would have gotten 422 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: that direction earlier in his career, I mean, he would 423 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: have been excellent. Here's my Rondale Moore story. I saw 424 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: a guy and I thought it was Rondale Moore, but 425 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: I wasn't exactly sure it was. After practice, there's taller 426 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: than you, and he was about the same It's the 427 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: same size, fine diminutive Americans. And he had a sweatshirt 428 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: on in the hood. He was pulled up and I say, 429 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that rod, I said, we don't. Don't 430 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: look at and see if you get a glance at 431 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: his face, I go, just look at the legs and 432 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: I don't, Yep, that's him. M I said, yep, that 433 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: you can tell immediately if it's Rondale Moore. Night. There 434 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: are several guys in this roster five seven, five eight, 435 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: there was only one guy with legs like that. It's 436 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: Rondale Moore. And that's the thing. Is like when people 437 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: talk about how big he is, and they want to 438 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: talk about Rondel Moore's five eight or whatever he is, 439 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, but it's a different five eight. It's a 440 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: different five eight than other five eights. The Cardinals. The 441 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: Cardinals just signed Greg dor choose turn guy who's five 442 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: to seven, but he's won seventy five and he's looking 443 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: at the pictures, he looks like he's right that thin. 444 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean, JJ Nelson was around that size, maybe five nine, 445 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: five eighty five nine, but he was like a buck 446 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: fifty eight. He couldn't even get to one hundred and 447 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: sixty pounds. Yeah, so it's a totally different player. You know. 448 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: JJ Nelson ran sub forty three, but he didn't have 449 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: the ability to stay on his feet like a Rondelle 450 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: Moore supposedly can. We'll have to wait to see it, 451 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, in person ourselves. But although it was interesting 452 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: to hear, Cliff Kingsbury was not admit that a six 453 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: foot four a J Green is a benefit to a 454 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: quarterback like Kyler Murray. He did actually say that in 455 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: the press commons. Would you haven't really? You know, it's 456 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: not often that Cliff Kingsbury uses the words a shorter quarterback, 457 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: But when you have a six foot four receiver, darn tune. 458 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: That's gonna help any quarterback, especially a guy's under six 459 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: foot When you got pass rushers bearing down on your 460 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: and you're trying to find a guy somewhere in the 461 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: passing lane for a completion, you know, has dk Met 462 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: half helped Russell Wilson I would say, yes, yeah, yeah, 463 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: no doubt about that. So not not trying to pick 464 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: any scabs here, right, So all right, so you have that? 465 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: Who else? What else is known and unknown at this 466 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: point in Cardinals camp unknown JJ Watt, Yes, as far 467 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: as he canna be, at least as far as an 468 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinal. Other known entities. So far, it's tough to tell. Honest, Well, 469 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to tell anything on the 470 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: on the lines right now because they just got in 471 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: their pads. Robert Alfred, I would say, that's unknown. I 472 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: would say Robert Alfred knock on would everybody? Now, if 473 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: he stays healthy, dude can still ball based on the 474 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: way he's gone against DeAndre Hopkins battle and so they're 475 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: gonna be able to count on him. And right now 476 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: you'd have to say he's the club house leader to 477 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: be that starting cornerback on the opposite side of Malcolm Butler. Well, 478 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I will say this, I think Byron, if they have 479 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: three guys out there, I think if they have two 480 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: out there, Byron Murphy's gonna be one of the two. 481 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: Oh agreed, agree, I'm putting Byron Murphy in the slot 482 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: where they want him. I get it. I will say this, 483 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: I think Byron Murphy has looked great no matter where 484 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: they put him inside, outside, he is when they when 485 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: vance Joseph says he's our best cornerback. I think that's 486 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: hands down. You can tell the closing speed wasn't a Saturday. 487 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: He closed on AJ Green and batted a ball down 488 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: with yesterday one day. I'm sorry, right, but yeah, it 489 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: was yesterday. It was right at the beginning of practice, 490 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: and and AJ Green was open, and all of a sudden, 491 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: Murphy's a blur over there and knocking it down. I'm like, 492 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: holy cow. And even even a couple of catches he's 493 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: given up, like Rondel Moore caught a bomb on him, 494 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: But Bayern Murphy was right there. It was just a nice, 495 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: beautiful throw and a great catch, But Bayern Murphy was 496 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: right there. So I think they're in good shape with there. 497 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: And in fact, I agree with you on Robert Alford 498 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: looking pretty solid. You know, he's got to be careful 499 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: about you know, I'm curious about what happens when there's officials. 500 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: He can get a little grabby sometimes and and so 501 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see where that how that translates with 502 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: him and Butler when they're actually playing games. But you know, 503 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: we'll we'll see where this goes. We will see where 504 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: their cornerback situation is in actual games, and I wish 505 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: I would doubt Dak Prescott plays in that first preseason game, 506 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: but it would be kind of nice to see Dak 507 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: Prescott and then Patrick Mahomes in those first two preseason 508 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: games for these cornerbacks. You know, in terms of takeaways 509 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: so far through camp, it's hard not to notice the 510 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: three inside linebackers out there together, Zavan Collins, Isaiah Simmons 511 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: and Jordan Hicks. Now, just like the offense, the defense 512 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: does its own installs, and there are different schemes they're 513 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: gonna run at different times in camp, and they're installing 514 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: it basically chapter by chapter out of the playbook. So okay, 515 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: was that just one facet of the playbook? Is that 516 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: something after the first few days of camp they decided 517 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: perhaps they needed that direction experience of fifty eight Jordan 518 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Hicks back out there. Is that perhaps a scheme they're 519 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: going to use a lot for Derek Henry in company. 520 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: I could see that if you're putting three inside linebackers 521 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: in the box to go against a run, heavy, play 522 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: action type offense, it's like the Tennessee Titans. But it 523 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 1: is intriguing to all of a sudden see him out there. 524 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I think it's intrigue. I'll be honest. One of the 525 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: first things I thought of when I see that package 526 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: and how they seem to be deploying it is I 527 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: think it might be less about Jordan Hicks, although it's 528 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: nice to have that guy to be bible to put, 529 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: and more about being able to do different things with 530 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. So you need that other linebacker with Collins 531 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: because I I like how they've been deploying Isaiah Simmons. 532 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: I like the different things he's done. I feel like 533 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: he's already made a bunch of plays, and it's funny 534 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: in a backwards kind of way. With all this Jordan 535 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,239 Speaker 1: Hicks stuff and Zaven Collins stuff, Isaiah Simmons has been 536 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: forgotten about a little bit, and I feel like he 537 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: is really primed to do some really good things. I 538 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: could be wrong. We'll see what happens, but I like 539 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: what I've seen and I've liked the direction it's going. 540 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: Because one of the most revealing things to me, at 541 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: least in the all season, was when Bill Davis told 542 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: us on an addition to the Big Red Rage, they 543 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: used Isaiah Simmons last year in six different positions, so 544 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: damn so apparently guess what. And this isn't a shocker 545 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: at anyone. NFL coaches sandbagged going into last year because 546 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: you remember there was all that talk, Oh no, no, no, 547 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: no, no no, We're not going to see that sort of 548 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: positional versatility out of Isaiah Simmons. That's strictly college ball. 549 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: That's what Clemson did with him. Well, it turns out 550 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: by the end of the season, guess what, he had 551 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: played six different positions in this Arizona Cardinals defense. And 552 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: you know what, if Jordan Hicks is a guy that 553 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 1: you feel like, look, he's gonna be part of our 554 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: best eleven in certain schemes and certain downs and distances 555 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: that we need fifty eight out there, then all of 556 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, to your point, there's Isaiah Simmons in that package, 557 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: and he's poised off the edge. If you don't have 558 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, for example, and you want a situational pass 559 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: rusher for a change of pace, more of a speed guy, 560 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: if you know it is third and eleven, and perhaps 561 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, okay, we might bring him off. And now 562 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden's Isaiah Simmons and Chandler Jones. Two 563 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: guys who can really get after it, especially considering that 564 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones looks like he's closer to two sixty right now. 565 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: Amazing anybody's stinking asked Chandler Jones, Yet what he's weighing 566 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: in at. I've tried several times he get close enough 567 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: to him, and I haven't been able to lob the 568 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: question out to fifty five? What exactly is his plane? Wait? 569 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: Not sure he'd answer it anyway. I don't know if 570 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: it's classified information. But to your point about Isaiah Simmons, 571 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: we talked about in the offseason. If you're Ryan Tannehill 572 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: and you're coming up to line of scrimmage and it's 573 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: third and seven, and it's the fourth quarter, and you're 574 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: looking to your left and you got fifty five, and 575 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: you're looking right and you got number ninety nine, And 576 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: wait a minute, here's Buddha Baker flashing off the edge. 577 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: How many times was he that guy last year who 578 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: came either on a delayed blitz er just brought it 579 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: right off the edge. And now number nine, Isaiah Simmons 580 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: is mugging off the edge as well, and maybe he's 581 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: gonna come you know, there's a lot to think about 582 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: for an opposing quarterback, and as we know vance Joseph, 583 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: that's his specialty. Well, again, the whole reason why, I 584 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't say the whole reason, but a big reason why 585 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: they drafted Isaiah Simmons was for that versatility. The whole 586 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: reason they want Zaven Collins on the field is because 587 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: they feel like he's athletic enough to do some different things. 588 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not so much about Jordan Hicks, 589 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: it's about Zaven Collins, and they're clearly trying to move 590 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: in that direction, whether it's bringing in JJ Watt, who 591 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: can be on the interior line or maybe come off 592 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: the edge. I thought JJ Watt was kind of funny 593 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: when he talked because I was asking about playing on 594 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: the interior and he didn't want to get too much 595 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: into it. I think for like, you know, strategical reasons, 596 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: because yeah, because nobody would ever think they might put 597 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: him inside. But I'm also curious to know are they 598 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: gonna put him? Are there gonna be times when he's outside? 599 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: Could they do that? Would they would they do some 600 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of jumbo pass rush package where Chandler and Watt 601 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: are the two outside guys, and then you have some 602 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: of these young defensive linemen or Corey Peters who you 603 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: just brought back a nose tackle. I mean, they've got 604 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: they've got guys whether it's Simmons or Collins or Buddha 605 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: or Wat or whatever that can do some different things. 606 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: That gives Vans Joseph a lot of flexibility. And if 607 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: they can master all these different things, it could be 608 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: really fun to watch. And by the way, Vance Joseph 609 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: again on the Big Red Rage, and they all season said, yes, 610 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: there will be times where Chandler and jj watter right 611 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: next to each other and they're running games. So you know, 612 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: we'll see if and when it happens. But you know, 613 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: if you were to tell me that Zaman Collins and 614 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons were going to be every down linebackers and 615 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: then a Jordan Hicks and a Marcus Golden might be 616 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: rotating pieces in and out based on down and distance 617 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: and other situational football, yeah, that would make a lot 618 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: of sense. You know, we've talked with Wolf about this, 619 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: just the fact you can have two inside linebackers who 620 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: are every down linebackers. Allah Luke Keikley and Thomas Davis 621 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: or Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman, you know, Lavante David 622 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: and Devid White for Tampa. That's that's an invaluable thing. 623 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: And again, what sort of liability might it be in 624 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: Week one against Derrick Henry in that Titans offense? So 625 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: it makes sense advanced Joseph would be couching that bet 626 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. And did he not tell the media 627 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: that he was asked flight out, well, what happens if 628 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: Zaven Collins out of the gate has some rookie struggles 629 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: And his answer was, well, yeah, we might have to 630 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: pull him for a series or two let him clear 631 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: his head. But it was only a series or two. 632 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't like we're benching the guy. Correct. Yeah, so, 633 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: uh you know that, And you know so I'm not 634 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: sure how to take that, just like I wasn't sure 635 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: how to take DeAndre Hopkins saying that he loves practice. 636 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: So you know that was that was don't tell me 637 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: you weren't smiling when he said I gotta be out, 638 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean you can't but you can't spell 639 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins without the AI and he was talking about 640 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: loving practice. Man, did I enjoyed he say love practice. Um. 641 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: When he noted that, UM, when he missed it. When 642 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: he sits out practice, it's coaches want to manage his time. 643 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: And although I did find it interesting, he dropped in 644 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: there and I ended up looking it up. Nobody else. 645 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: He ended up saying he had tight rope surgery. And 646 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yes, did you look it up? I did. Okay, 647 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: it was a tight rope procedure. Yeah, which, so that's 648 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: a surgery. Yeah. So essentially, it's a you get something. 649 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: It's hard to explain. I think the actual thing that 650 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,239 Speaker 1: you get put in your ankle. It's a it's an 651 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: ankle procedure, it's an implant. It's an imp Yeah, it's it. Basically, 652 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: it sounds like and I'm trying to do this in 653 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: layman's terms, and I'm about as layman as they get. Um. 654 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: It basically sounds like something to put in there to 655 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: help your ligaments or whatever you've had issues with and 656 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: kind of strengthen the ankle, which I'm thinking last year, 657 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: if this is one of the reasons why you missed 658 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,239 Speaker 1: some practices, why wouldn't you have just said that last year. 659 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: I've had ankle issues and I've had it, and but um, 660 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty fascinating when I looked it up, 661 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: because it is a thing. There's many I looked it 662 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: up up and they're like, there's some apparently it's gotten 663 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: more run of late, and there's a lot of high 664 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: profile athletes who have apparently done this procedure. So he 665 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: does have apparently ankle issues that have gone back. But yeah, 666 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: that was that was interesting. And and look, he's already 667 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: practiced a lot here considering compared to where we were 668 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: last year, you know, in terms of how much he's 669 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: been on the field. I mean, he also told the 670 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: media he hasn't reached his peak yet quote end quote. 671 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: That was also interesting, very intriguing that he needs to 672 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: build that chemistry at that because he's played with multiple 673 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks over the years, so he needs to build the 674 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: chemistry with the current quarterback now obviously had several years 675 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: in a row with Deshaun Watson. Yeah, and and and 676 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: I will say that I do think that chemistry. I've 677 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: I've seen a couple throws here between him Kyler that 678 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: have been incomplete that I when I saw them, my 679 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: first thought was not quite on the same page. Not 680 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: a bad throw, not a bad route, not good coverage. 681 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: Just you guys weren't quite on the same page of 682 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: what you were supposed to do there. So I think 683 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: that's still a work in progress. And again some of this, Paul, 684 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: especially offensively, this is what happens when you don't have 685 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of OTAs. I mean, it might have been 686 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: there anyways, but the players didn't want to come in 687 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: and do a bunch of OTAs, which I totally understand, 688 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: and they're voluntary. But when you get early in camp, 689 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: that's when you're working out some of that stuff that 690 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: you might have worked out in the off season. All right, 691 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: So we were talking about Cardinals Underground earlier, brought to 692 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation, proud sponsor and partner of 693 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, and you mentioned Kyler Murray as a leader, 694 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: and then the listing here was roster something. There's a 695 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: typo inputter, roster inputter, I nput R dating Zach Zach 696 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: shot Putter. Is this what's going on? Rogers? He wants 697 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: input on that roster. I see, I see that's the actor. 698 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be reading the rundown just straight 699 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: on the podcast. I was just curious about that because 700 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: I coudn't quite see you. All right, Oh that's good, 701 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: just formulating words on the fly. Travis Shamockery, Okay, I 702 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: think Virgal flickle. Okay, we got this here, so now 703 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: that I'm on the same page here, um, I did like, uh, 704 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: speaking of words and words that haven't caught on. You know, 705 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: when this whole started in twenty nineteen, I used to 706 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: I really refer to Cliff Kingsbury as K two and 707 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: Kyle Murray is K one doesn't really hasn't really caught it, 708 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: sort of like anyway, Cliff Kingsbury K two to Sirius 709 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: XM about K one quote, he realizes what it takes 710 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: to be the man in this league end quote. I 711 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: thought that might be his strongest quote of training camp, 712 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: and it was actually the serious radio And so by 713 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: that I think he means I think I'm gonna train 714 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: This is a coach speak to English translation dictionary. I 715 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: think what he means is all right, two years into 716 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: the league, he's got a real sense as to what 717 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: separates not just a Pro Bowl quarterback because it was 718 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl quarterback, but those lead winning quarterbacks and 719 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: you have to have the ability to inspire other players, 720 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: because wasn't it DeAndre Hopkins who said about Kyler that 721 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: he's made a point of holding guys a little more accountable. Yeah, 722 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: in these practices. So if you're looking for that area, where, 723 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: because remember Kyler cited himself, where does he want to 724 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: grow the most? And the answer to the question was 725 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: the first entry was leadership. Well, to me, that's tangible evidence. 726 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: That's an actual example of leadership in his growth in 727 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: that department. If he is more willing than ever to 728 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: hold guys accountable after a mistake or there needs to 729 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: be a correction or a fine tuning of something, well, 730 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: and I think part of the key to that, and 731 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: this is a Cliff was talking about this a little 732 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: bit that Kyler has made advances in terms of even 733 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: if he shows some of that emotion negative emotion that 734 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: we've all seen on the field before or even on 735 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: the sideline. He's all seen it on the sideline, Yeah, 736 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: we've also he says that he's also made a better 737 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: effort to then go and reach out to the player 738 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: in a good way. And I think ultimately that's what 739 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: we're talking about. I think I think the problem is 740 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: is I think Kyler has been holding players accountable, but 741 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: it might have been more in a negative light, like 742 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: just being mad at him. I mean, that's holding somebody 743 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: accountable too, Whereas as a leader, you need to you 744 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: need to you know, kind of flex it into a 745 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: positive kind of way. Or look, we can't. I mean 746 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: you can, you can be stern about it, but you 747 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: you need to, like you can't just come raining hell 748 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: fire down. Not that that's what Kyler was doing, but 749 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, that's what you got to be careful about. 750 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: And look, there were moments last year where he displayed that. 751 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,479 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. It was the home win 752 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: in overtime against Seattle, and the Cardinals were down three 753 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: different times by ten points. Yeah, in that game. And 754 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: there was a drive in the second half, early second half, 755 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: Cardinals trying to get some momentum, trying to get back 756 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: in the game in a first down pastor Darrell Daniels drop, 757 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 1: brutal drop and then the Cardinals got a penalty. Oh boy, 758 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 1: another false start or what have you? And that drive 759 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: went nowhere. They punted away, defense got him the ball 760 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: back and they were backed up to their seven and 761 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: they win ninety three yards and they scored to make 762 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: it a three point game, and at the end of 763 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: that drive, Kyler and Darrell Daniels dapped up a little 764 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: bit on the sideline and they talked it over because 765 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: Kyler had been vocal and very critical Darrell Daniels on 766 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: the sideline before that, and they had got into it 767 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know, and Darrell Daniels was 768 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: the one who had walked away. Well, then okay, they 769 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: made up on that front and all was understood. So, look, 770 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: he's the quarterback and he is the field general, and 771 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: he said it to the press already in this camp, 772 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: players no players, And so if he's gonna want some 773 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: of that input, a, he's gonna have to play like 774 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: it and be worthy of that sort of input. And 775 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: then be yes, he's gonna have to hold other guys accountable. 776 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: And that means you're not gonna be everybody's bestie all 777 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: the time. And that's it's funny that you bring up 778 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: the bestie thing is because I do think that that's 779 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: in every aspect of life, right, Paul. I mean, it's 780 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: it's a very difficult. It's when you're the quarterback, you're 781 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: not the boss necessarily that's ultimately the coach. But there 782 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: is a there is a very fine line that you're walking, 783 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: and it's tough, as we all know, to really hold 784 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: somebody accountable that you consider a friend as opposed to 785 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: just a co worker. And because there is that, and 786 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: it is and I would think with somebody, I don't 787 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: care if you've played quarterback your whole life. It's it's 788 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: a talent. And the other thing that Kyler had was 789 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: by the time he gets to the league, he's younger 790 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: than most of these people he's trying to do it with. 791 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you can do it in high school when 792 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: you're the same age as everybody. You can do it 793 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: in college when you're the same age as everybody basically, 794 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: but in this league you've got I mean, it's kind 795 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: of hard for Kyler to hold Larry Fitzgerald when you 796 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: know Larry. I'm not going to say Larry could be 797 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: his father, but Larry did act like I was, you know, 798 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: twenty years older than him, So screw him. Yeah. So, 799 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: by the way, any any info on Larry what's going on? 800 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: You know? I've actually had a couple of fans asked 801 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: me on the sideline as I've been wanting Hey Urban, 802 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: which everybody calls me urban. Nobody says Darren, and really, 803 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: hey Urban, which is okay, all right, hey Urban, you 804 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: know you're more in a professional capacity. Hey, hey Urban, 805 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: you hear anything about Larry? Nobody says, well, how are 806 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: we gonna? Do you hear anything about Larry? And I 807 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: smile and I say no, And because I don't, I 808 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: don't know. You know what, though, I was going to 809 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: reach out to him via text and ask him. I 810 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: know he's looking for work right now, Kyle left. Perhaps 811 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: he'd like to write a crazy Cardinals dot com. Well, 812 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: if he wants to go on multimedia, didn't he just 813 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: announced a radio show with Tom Brady, did so? Well 814 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: he could come on as our third podcaster. I mean, 815 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: darn tut. You know what, that's great, you're right, get 816 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: back to him, offer him this gig here and uh, 817 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see what his war is wins a 818 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: pub replacement. I don't know how he feels about momentum. 819 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: That's you and let him know, Hey, it is just 820 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 1: podcasting radio. You can do it from the golf course 821 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,359 Speaker 1: if you need to, so be. I mean, he does 822 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: all these golf podcasts, that's true, so you know, once again, 823 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: just bamboozle him into thinking it's a golf podcast, and 824 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,439 Speaker 1: you know, we'll start out and then we'll just sort 825 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: of segue and finagle are our way into football talking. 826 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: That's the way it don't work over there. You know 827 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: he's playing golf somewhere. What exactly that means, whether it's 828 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: just what happens Tyre tires and somebody wants to hire 829 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: him to, like for an NFL studio show or something 830 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 1: like that, Is he gonna talk football or's he gonna 831 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,439 Speaker 1: be like, no, I'm only talking golf. Well, NBC would 832 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: probably be a spot because they have both. He can 833 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: go over to the golf channel and he can also 834 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: do a football and Sunday night. So you know, look, 835 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: he's he is so into golf right now. I don't 836 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: think he's gonna do anything except just play golf in 837 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: more golf. Then why wouldn't he just tell us that? Yeah, 838 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what is he waiting for? Once again? 839 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: What is when the team says the ball and his 840 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: is in his court? What does that mean? He likes 841 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: play basketball? And I'm sure there's a little bit in 842 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: there about the fact he's a minority owner of the 843 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns. Maybe that's why they chose that furbinge. But 844 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: does that mean the ball is in your court? You 845 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: announced the retirement when you see fit, and guess what, 846 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: we'd rather have it sooner than later. A wink wink, 847 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: because nobody, nobody is jumping that process. Nobody is going 848 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: to deliver that news except Larry. Nobody wants to risk 849 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: the blowback of the fans that there's any sort of 850 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: element of him being pushed into retirement. Nobody's touching that 851 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: third rail. Or when they say the ball is in 852 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: his court, is there an open an open contract right 853 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 1: there on the table. Is it there, Larry? The ball 854 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: is in your court? Take it or leave it? Here's 855 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: the number. We're sliding the cocktail napkin across the table. 856 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: There's the number. Take it or leave it? So to me, 857 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: it's the ink blot test. You could read it either way. 858 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: When they say the ball is in his court, what 859 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,479 Speaker 1: does that mean? I think Cliff was just absolutely trying 860 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that we had something else. That's talk 861 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: about it, because we ran out all your theories. Yeah right, okay, 862 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: Well I don't know what it means. We'll go get 863 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: Corey Peters now that he's back. Yeah, the three time 864 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: team captains. So, uh, you know you're not saying Corey 865 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,839 Speaker 1: would know about Larry. You're just saying, oh, he would 866 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: know as Corey Peters, as I've told before, as one 867 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: of the only guys I've ever seen who actually took 868 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: down Larry in response of Larry trying to tackle Corey Peters. 869 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 1: Corey Peters, former high school state wrestling champion, heavyweight wrestling 870 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: champion in Kentucky. I walked through the locker room one 871 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: day and Corey Peters had Larry in a headlock, and 872 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: he had him any any and he stopped himself short 873 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 1: of getting him into some sort of human pretzel because 874 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 1: he was the franchise number eleven, you know, uh speaking 875 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: of And we've gotten way off. We weren't even going 876 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: to talk about fits, and now we're talking about fits. 877 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: But why are we talking about Larry losing some of 878 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: these tackling and wrestling battles because he instigated Because this 879 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: one of them I'm thinking of when we're at the 880 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: Greenbrier staying that week in twenty fifteen, he'd tried to 881 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: sneak up behind Harold Goodwin and good he saw him 882 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: come and he like he like was all over it. Yeah, 883 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: Larry didn't know what to do. Yep, that was I saw. 884 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: One time Larry went after Dan the can former nose 885 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,320 Speaker 1: tackle Dan Williams conservatively three thirty. Yeah, yeah, that that 886 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,240 Speaker 1: that did not benefit Larry. There was a bulrush standoff 887 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: that Larry lost decisively. Let's put it that way. So 888 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: everybody's easy to take Alan's wolf. Before we let you 889 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: go here on Carl's Underground, we need a mandatory check 890 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: of the Tennessee Titans update desk. Yeah, well you mentioned 891 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: them earlier today, so I figured you'd be coming back around. 892 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: Did you know, darn that the Titans have been struggling 893 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: at kicker five g's in there by the way, as 894 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: long as you're making up words here lately, five g's 895 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: and struggling. Do you know in twenty nineteen they employed 896 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: five different kickers and they've already caught one kicker and 897 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: signed another. During training camp they went after Jets veteran 898 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: Sam Ficken. So, uh, you know right now they do 899 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: not have an answer a kicker, the Tennessee Titans. So 900 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: if it's a close game, then maybe that's something you 901 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 1: can put in your you know, feather in your Cardinals 902 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,240 Speaker 1: cap as to something that might you know, be decisive 903 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: in the decision making of a Mike Rabel Perhaps, Well, 904 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm expecting a close game with the Titans, 905 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: just because that's the kind of games they play. Well, 906 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a high scoring game. I don't know 907 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: if I already told you it's gonna be a high 908 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: scoring games. Take the over on that one, you think, So, 909 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: that's that's my guess, I would Jones is hurt. Would 910 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: you say, as we look for just some takeaway so 911 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: far week and half into Cardinals camp, that the offense 912 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: is further along than it typically would be in a 913 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: typical camp. The offense is a little further along. Think 914 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,720 Speaker 1: so far if you want to go zoom out big picture. 915 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,959 Speaker 1: Normally the defense dominates, just like in baseball. It takes 916 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: a while but the hitters to get the timing and 917 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: catch up with ninety eight mile an hour heaters. But 918 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: to me, the Cardinals offense, I think is doing a 919 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: better job of holding its own than in previous camps 920 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: or your typical camp. I could I guess I could 921 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,359 Speaker 1: see that. I guess I could see that. I don't 922 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 1: think it's like overwhelming at this point. Like I said earlier, 923 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: I thought like they'd be a little bit more on 924 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: target if they had had more stuff in the off season. 925 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: But I could see that point. But again, I kind 926 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: of want to see where we stand when, you know, 927 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: we get more of these pad of practices, Like I mean, 928 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: it's so you have no idea what kind of run 929 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: game they really have. Nobody's been really blocking each other. 930 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's that's the tough part of this. 931 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: You know what we need? This is my final thought, 932 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: Sure we need a controversy here a Cardinals camp. You know, 933 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: there's no quarterback controversy like in Denver with Teddy Bridgewater 934 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: and Drew Lockbean neck and neck. According to Vic Fangio, 935 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,800 Speaker 1: there's no Mike zimmer tirade like with the Vikings. We 936 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,440 Speaker 1: lost three of his four quarterbacks to COVID protocols and 937 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: he's only got one quarterback left even throw in camp. 938 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,359 Speaker 1: You know, there's none of that, right, There's no Ron 939 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,040 Speaker 1: Rivera chewing out his own team over the failure to 940 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: get vaccinated. You know, back in the day, Travis la Boy, 941 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: you remember Travis la Boy, He was a singular personality. 942 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 1: He told us it was about ten years ago or so, 943 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit longer, and the whole Matt Leonard 944 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,320 Speaker 1: and Kurt Warner a quarterback battle and camp and Travis 945 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: la Boy told us in the Big Red Rage, you know, 946 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: when I'm on the sidelines and my unit is an 947 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: end and Kurt makes a good pass, I start up 948 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 1: the Matt Liner chance. And then when Matt Leinart makes 949 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: a play, I start up the Kurt Warner chance. And 950 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: he was joking around. Yikes, I think he was joking 951 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage. But then remember there was 952 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: a moment in that night practice at Lumberjack Stadium. I'm 953 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: testing your memory and your recall here where he actually 954 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: hit the quarterback in a live drill. I do not remember. 955 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: He hit the quarterback and Ken Wisonant literally grabbed him. 956 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: Ken Wisonant went blocking tight end back to his heyday 957 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: as a player, and grabbed him by the lapels in 958 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: this case the practice jersey and kind of stood him 959 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 1: up and said, not on my practice field, go to 960 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: the sideline. And that was a moment that I'll never forget. 961 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: And Cardinal's camp lore. But once again, if you can 962 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,439 Speaker 1: think you know, stir something up for the next edition 963 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground, you know, just to get us through August. 964 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, we're sitting here in a in a beautiful 965 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,080 Speaker 1: loft here at State Farm Stadium, and at least get 966 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: us through the Cowboys game. And and we're we're looking 967 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: out over the well. It's the concrete because they rolled 968 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: the field out, but in all these empty seats, and 969 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, how far have we come, Paul, from 970 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: like two thousand and seven when I first came to 971 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: the officially to the team, and we were in Jim 972 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: Omohundro's dorm room and we're doing the podcast. And now 973 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: we're like, we're we're bemoaning the loss of one of 974 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: our pod podcasters, uh In Kyle Ude Guard and we're 975 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,920 Speaker 1: we're sitting here looking at the stadium. I'm just it 976 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: just feels like so much time has passed, whether it 977 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: feel very old, whether it was the garbage truck outside 978 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: the window at ing the dumpster and we'd have to 979 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,400 Speaker 1: stop the recording, or did we stop it. I think 980 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: we left that in. I thought that was part of 981 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: the charm. Or in ALM's dorm room when you want 982 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,880 Speaker 1: to put down your coffee. You'd have to move his 983 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: socks over. Remember socks where you know, and then you 984 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: put their coffee down. So right, Darren, come come a 985 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: long way here. We have come a long way. And 986 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: for anybody wondering, it won't just be a two man game. 987 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: We will eventually be back to three strong and Cardinals Underground. 988 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: I just can't get into details yet. It won't be 989 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: Kyle Okay, so he left us. An offer has been 990 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: unofficially officially extended to Larry Fitzgerald. That's the latest. Oh well, yeah, 991 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: I mean he would be our first choice. I don't 992 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,799 Speaker 1: know if that's gonna you know, yeah, I mean if 993 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: he's not, we talk about the money. I can guarantee 994 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: you the money for this. Ain't just do it for 995 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: the love of the broadcast, Larry, for the love of 996 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: the broadcast. That'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground. 997 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: On that note, powered by Well Training Camp, powered by 998 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 1: Cox Yes and Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific 999 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: Office Automation, proud partner the ariz under Cardinals Beautiful