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Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, We're scrubbing in. Tanya is out this week,

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Speaker 1: but we have a very special co host, one of

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Speaker 1: my good friends, Kitlin Carter, is scrubbing in today. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here because we we had you

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Speaker 1: booked as a guest, and then Tanya wasn't able to

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Speaker 1: do the podcast, and I was like, because they were like,

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Speaker 1: do you want to get a co host? And I said,

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Speaker 1: let's just Kitlin has a podcast, Let's let her co

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Speaker 1: host with me. Well, first of all, I was so

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Speaker 1: honored to be asked to even be a guest in

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Speaker 1: the first place. Maybe I'm hyping the show up too

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Speaker 1: much in my head, but I seriously feel like I

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Speaker 1: may as well be on the world's biggest talk show

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Speaker 1: was like, Yes, this is gonna be great. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Took on it, and then when you asked me to

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Speaker 1: co host, I sort of freaked out. I was like,

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Speaker 1: they think Becca thinks I'm good enough to go on

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Speaker 1: and co host here. This is such an honor. And

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Speaker 1: then I was telling you before we started recording that

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm here and Aspen with a couple of friends,

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Speaker 1: um skiing. And today I literally made everyone's schedule around

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Speaker 1: record this because I was like, you guys don't understand.

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Speaker 1: it's so important and I've got to get there. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well, I of course blew that

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Speaker 1: and was late per usual, but I'm normally Mark East

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Speaker 1: and y'all can correct me if I'm wrong. Essentially been

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Speaker 1: been better than when I used to drive the studio,

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Speaker 1: considering you don't really have a choice but to be

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Speaker 1: usually a Tanya's, right, I do, so I do have

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Speaker 1: so that can slow me down a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: it's not. But I my sisters and I are leaving.

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Speaker 1: We're driving to Louisiana today. We're leaving for like a

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Speaker 1: four day road trip, and so I of course went.

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Speaker 1: I rented a minivan because I thought that would be

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Speaker 1: was still alive, and I started crying. I was like,

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Speaker 1: so devastated. Just been one of those mornings that alone

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Speaker 1: is a day ruiner. For That's why I said, I

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Speaker 1: was like, do I even leave today? Is it's just

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Speaker 1: a bad day? Ah, Why do we start talking about that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just explaining that it's been that day. Um, But

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Speaker 1: you know, we're here. I'm so excited to have you on.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about because I feel like I'm shocked that we haven't

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Speaker 1: had do you do this before? Because I feel like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to discuss. Well, I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you kind of got to earn

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Speaker 1: I think you know you guys are really this isn't

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Speaker 1: There's just rotary after rotary in Iceland, no stoplay um

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Speaker 1: We were just so it is like riding a bike eventually,

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Speaker 1: think I think every single person listening to the podcast

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Speaker 1: can relate to this. You wrote, Um, who was your

431
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Speaker 1: article with that? You wrote, I was out last year.

432
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Speaker 1: It feels like it doesn't feel like that long ago.

433
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Speaker 1: But you wrote an article The l One Yeah, about

434
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Speaker 1: your sexuality, yeah, and how you we're kind of like

435
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Speaker 1: I'm attracted to who I'm attracted to. I haven't like

436
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Speaker 1: late like. I don't know what my label is. I

437
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Speaker 1: just like I I like who I like, I love

438
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Speaker 1: who I love. And I thought it was I was

439
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 1: so impressed with you when it came out because it

440
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 1: was such a vulnerable um. It was just such a

441
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: vulnerable piece of work that was so open and honest,

442
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: and I think so many people can relate to of

443
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: like you kind of you fall in love with who

444
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Speaker 1: you fall in love with, And I think a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of people put so much pressure on the title of

446
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Speaker 1: of love. Well. I think that was the point that

447
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to get across. And as much as

448
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Speaker 1: I say I'm embarrassed by all the things I posted

449
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: and means and all of that, I'm not at all

450
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Speaker 1: embarrassed by the l piece because it was really wrong.

451
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm really vulnerable, and it was the feelings that I

452
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: was having at the time, but it was also just reality.

453
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 1: Because no one was more surprised that I was all

454
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Speaker 1: of a sudden dating one of my girlfriends than I

455
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Speaker 1: was like I had if you had asked me a

456
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Speaker 1: month before that started. I mean, I when I look back,

457
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Speaker 1: I know that I had feelings for her that I

458
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Speaker 1: were maybe different from feelings I had for other friends,

459
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't recognizing it as that at all, because

460
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Speaker 1: in my mind I liked men. I had always dated men,

461
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Speaker 1: and there just wasn't really another option. And so I

462
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Speaker 1: think I felt like it made sense to share with

463
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Speaker 1: other people what I went, what I experienced, because I

464
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Speaker 1: think that probably happens, and to me it was kind

465
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Speaker 1: of new news, Like I was like, oh, oh, this

466
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Speaker 1: could happen. You know, I've heard about women ending up

467
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Speaker 1: dating women later in life or whatever, but I it

468
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Speaker 1: had never crossed my mind that I would be one

469
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Speaker 1: of those people. And then it just happened. And like

470
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Speaker 1: I said to by, No, it was entirely unintentional, but

471
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Speaker 1: I was very deeply in love with this person and um.

472
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Speaker 1: And then the other part of that was that I

473
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Speaker 1: always heard that heartbreak really inspires so much creativity, but

474
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've really ever had my heartbroken before,

475
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Speaker 1: so I didn't really get it until that point in time,

476
00:22:58,359 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, all I wanted to do

477
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: just create things. So I was like writing poetry and

478
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: writing essays. I mean, I wrote so many essays. I

479
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: wrote so many poems. I was doing anything I could

480
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: to just kind of get everything out. And you know,

481
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: so all of that was really cathartic for me, and

482
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: that l piece was one of the things that was

483
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Speaker 1: super cathartic. But also I had a lot of really

484
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Speaker 1: positive response from people who had been through a similar

485
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Speaker 1: circumstance or even we're privately going through something like that,

486
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: and they were scared to share it with people that

487
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Speaker 1: they knew, and I think it just kind of gave

488
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Speaker 1: people an opportunity to see that, you know. In fairness,

489
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Speaker 1: I think it's really lucky for me that my parents

490
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: have always been so supportive that I never even really

491
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Speaker 1: had to question or think about what I was doing,

492
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Speaker 1: because I just knew they would be cool with it

493
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Speaker 1: no matter what, Like maybe they would need to adjust

494
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Speaker 1: or kind of gain some perspective into whatever was going on,

495
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Speaker 1: but I knew that at the end of the day

496
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Speaker 1: they would be okay with it. And I feel very

497
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Speaker 1: fortunate that I was in that position. But I kind

498
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Speaker 1: of wanted people to see who maybe aren't in that position,

499
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Speaker 1: that there are people that they can look up to

500
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Speaker 1: our people who are you know, walking the earth who

501
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: have had these similar experiences and aren't afraid to just

502
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Speaker 1: be open about it and honest Like I was in

503
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: a really safe place to be able to do that,

504
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: So really lucky in that way. Yeah, it made me

505
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Speaker 1: feel very um like challenge to how how like the

506
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: response was so positive and I thought it was just

507
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Speaker 1: such a great article and I just know, like, you know,

508
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: including myself, so many people relate to that experience of

509
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Speaker 1: even even aside from sexuality and gender, like people who

510
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Speaker 1: have different religions and feel like they can't be with

511
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Speaker 1: the person they love because of religious beliefs. It's like

512
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Speaker 1: it goes through so many things of the pressure of

513
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: feeling like we have to fall in love with who

514
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: were traditionally supposed to be in love with. Is um

515
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Speaker 1: something that I think a lot of people you need

516
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Speaker 1: to move, for a word from, because I think a

517
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Speaker 1: lot of people settle for for what they think is right,

518
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Speaker 1: or what their parents will prove, or what society will

519
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Speaker 1: approve of. Yeah, I think that was the thing too,

520
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: was um and I would never put blame on my

521
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Speaker 1: parents for this, but in my head, I do feel

522
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Speaker 1: like because I was raised very traditionally and by no

523
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Speaker 1: means um are my parents homophobic or anything like that,

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Speaker 1: But they just never really, I don't know, we never

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Speaker 1: really discussed it as even a possibility, Like they didn't

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Speaker 1: really introduce that into my life. They just sort of

527
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Speaker 1: raised me very traditionally. So in my mind, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: and I grew up in a small town in New Hampshire,

529
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Speaker 1: which I feel like you can relate to from where

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Speaker 1: you're probably I think if you grew up in l A,

531
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Speaker 1: you know, the culture is so diverse and everybody has

532
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Speaker 1: different backgrounds, and everybody's sexuality is different, religion and all

533
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: of this is so different that it's probably more typical

534
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Speaker 1: that people end up, you know, or there you're raised

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Speaker 1: with that mentality. But like, I could be anything I want,

536
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Speaker 1: I can be with anyone I want. But in the

537
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: town I grew up in, there really wasn't a whole

538
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: lot of diversity or just different kind of relationships, and

539
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: so I think it just didn't really cross my mind,

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Speaker 1: And I sort of wish that it had when I

541
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Speaker 1: was younger, because I think it would have been fun

542
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: to explore more different types of relationships at a younger age. Yeah,

543
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: it's um. I was. I have a friend out here who, like,

544
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Speaker 1: from a young age at least knew she was gay,

545
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: but she was even because we we've had that conversation

546
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Speaker 1: about like, well, in l A, it's different, and she

547
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: was like, but it's not so different that I felt

548
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Speaker 1: comfortable in my whole life. So it's interesting because he's

549
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: from l A. From l A didn't grow up religious

550
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Speaker 1: or like conservative, and so it's interesting that that kind

551
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: of no matter where you come come from, society is

552
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of the same when it comes to that. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's just one of those conversations that

554
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Speaker 1: the more that we have it, and that the more

555
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Speaker 1: the generation satitions have these conversations with their kids so

556
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: that there isn't that um ignorance about it, I guess

557
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: is the word, the more it's going to become normal.

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Speaker 1: You know. I actually have this theory, but this is

559
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: based in absolutely no red or science or anything. But

560
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: I just have this theory that it might be exactly

561
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: the same. It might be just as typical to be

562
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Speaker 1: gay as it is to be straight. But just because

563
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: of the way that the world has always functioned. Like

564
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: back in the day, there was more of a purpose

565
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: to men and women becoming couples because you really needed

566
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Speaker 1: a family. There wasn't you know, we didn't have the

567
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: scientific advantage of advances that we have now where you

568
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: have kids if you're a same sex couple. But back

569
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: in the day, you really needed a man and woman

570
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: because you need a bigger family, because you needed to

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Speaker 1: be able to make money and support your farm or whatever.

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00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, like you needed people to help with the

573
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Speaker 1: with the chores, and so that was kind of it

574
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: was kind of a survival tactic back then. But we

575
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: don't need that now. And I think that it's very

576
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: possible that it's just as typical to be gay as

577
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: it is to be straight or whatever your your sexuality

578
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: is or your gender or whatever. I think that all

579
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: of these things are probably more standard and typical than

580
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: than we acknowledge, or than anxiety acknowledges. And I think

581
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: that eventually we might get to the point where that

582
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: becomes clear. Yeah, I agree. I mean I don't think

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Speaker 1: that there is I don't think that there's more um

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Speaker 1: l g B t Q people now than there was

585
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: back in the day. It's just people are able. They're

586
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: safer to be open about it. Not completely safe, but

587
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: safer and um more comfortable being able to talk about it.

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00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: But I don't I agree with you, Like, I don't

589
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: think it's like all of a sudden now people like

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Speaker 1: we have more people who identify as l g B

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Speaker 1: t Q. But um, anyways, I'm just really proud of

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00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: you as a friend and proud to know you, especially

593
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Speaker 1: during that time, because it was like there was so

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00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: much going on in your life and I thought you

595
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: handled it with so much grace and um you just

596
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: like vulnerable definitely not always behind closed doors. Well you

597
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: know where it counted. You share than you know. I

598
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. That means a lot to me. And also, honestly,

599
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Speaker 1: I feel like the biggest thing getting through that was

600
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Speaker 1: having friends like you that I knew supported me no

601
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: matter what and having my back no matter what, and

602
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: I felt like I could. I really had a good

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00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 1: group of people in my life that I was so

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: grateful for that that helped me so much to get

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Speaker 1: past all of that. Yeah, having good friends, having a

606
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: good support system is just honestly everything in life. I

607
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: have to say, like any struggle, any challenges, it's so

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00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: important to have people around you who make you feel

609
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: supported and cared for no matter what decision do you make. UM.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a break and hear from our

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Speaker 1: amazing sponsors and we'll be right back with more. Okay,

612
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Speaker 1: we are back with Caitlin Carter. So you do all

613
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff and the UM you know, you're in

614
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the spotlight, you're on the hills. You have like had

615
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: these very public romances, but you also do some amazing

616
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: work with like UM charitable organizations. UM. Right now, you're

617
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Speaker 1: working with the American Wild Horse Campaign, and I wanted

618
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Speaker 1: you to talk a little bit about that because I

619
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Speaker 1: did not grow up with horse. I'm actually I have

620
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Speaker 1: like fear of horses, and they made me ride a

621
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Speaker 1: horse one time on the Bachelor and I will never

622
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Speaker 1: forgive them for that because it started running. I was

623
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: not a trained horse rider and the horse started running.

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Speaker 1: So I would like to hear more about what you

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Speaker 1: do UM for the horses. Well, I mean, first of all,

626
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Speaker 1: I'm such a huge animal lover. So almost all of

627
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Speaker 1: the charitable organizations I work with our animal organization, UM,

628
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: but this one, the American Wild Horse Campaign. I came

629
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Speaker 1: across kind of by chance on Instagram, and I was

630
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: immediately really intrigued because I knew that there are wild

631
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: horses living in the US, but I didn't understand a

632
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of the challenges that they were facing. And I

633
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: grew up um attending a horseback riding summer camp every year,

634
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Speaker 1: and horses have always been a really big part of

635
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Speaker 1: my life. Whenever I feel really stressed or overwhelmed, I

636
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: always will go find a horse at a stable that

637
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: I can like feed, or just hang out with or groom.

638
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I just love being around them. I think they have

639
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: such a nice energy, so essentially the opposite of how

640
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: you feel. I mean, they're so so peaceful and and

641
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: that's where I feel very relaxed. So when I came

642
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: across this organization, they were really quite small. They had

643
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: just gotten started. But what they're doing is um or.

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Speaker 1: I guess what's going on is all of these wild

645
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Speaker 1: horses are there's a huge population of wild horses in

646
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: the country, and they all live on American public lands,

647
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: and the government prefers for those lamps to be used

648
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: for cattle farming because it's a lucrative business. And otherwise

649
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: the horses are just really chilling there and living their

650
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: life and they're not, you know, making money for anyone.

651
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: So they would rather have the cattle be able to

652
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: use the resources on the land than the horses. So

653
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: what they do is they round the horses up and

654
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: they use helicopters to do this, and it's really traumatizing

655
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: for the horses. A lot of them die in the

656
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: process because they will either have a heart attack or

657
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: they'll run into something. It's really sad. Actually, I kind

658
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: of always feel bad when I tell the story because

659
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: it's it is really sad. But they'll run into fences

660
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: and break their necks or break their legs and they

661
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: have to be put down, like they A lot of

662
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: a lot of horses die in the process of being

663
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: rounded up, and then if they survived that process, they

664
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: are either held in a government pen. So right now

665
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: in the US, fifty horses are living in these little

666
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: tiny government pens. And so they went from having thousands

667
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: and thousands of miles of land to just roam and

668
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: be free to living in a little tiny dirt pen

669
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: and they can't go anywhere. It's really sad. And then

670
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: a lot of them are auctioned off to other countries

671
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: who send them to slaughter houses and they're killed for meat.

672
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: So they just really don't it's it's not a great way,

673
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: it's not a humane way to handle the horse population.

674
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: So the American Wild Horse Campaign has actually spent a

675
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: lot of money going and this is what they use

676
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: the money people donate for, which is doing research and

677
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: creating uh sterilization techniques so they can actually go out

678
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: into the wild and dart these horses with a little

679
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: injection that sterilizes them so they aren't reproducing, so just

680
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: to keep the population control down but in a humane

681
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: way where they don't even know that something just happened

682
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: to them, but they just won't be able to have

683
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: babies anymore. So that's kind of the work that the

684
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: organization is now doing, and it just needs the support

685
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: of local lawmakers and in each state. So so that's

686
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of what they're trying to do, is just raise

687
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: awareness so that people, because of the American population, supports

688
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: be what the American Wild Horse Campaign is trying to do.

689
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: But lawmakers just they don't really have any reason to it.

690
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: So we need people to call their local representatives and

691
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: pay attention when these bills are being passed and anyone

692
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: who's interested in in supporting it. The American Wild Horse

693
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: Campaign UM on Instagram is at free wild Horses and

694
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: they constantly they're so good about updating with you know,

695
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: okay it's time to call these legislators or you know,

696
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: they keep you really posted on how you can be

697
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: involved and what we can do to help the horses.

698
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, it's so there. There's just so

699
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: much that we don't know about until we we get

700
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: to talk to someone like you who's you know, part

701
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: of this campaign and their mission. And it's really informative

702
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: because I had no idea and in my mind, I'm like,

703
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: as you're telling me this, I'm like, well, what can

704
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: we do to get them out of the pins? But

705
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of like how I mean, you see how

706
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: the government works and how the law make It's like

707
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: we can only do so much. So the goal right

708
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: now is to limit population so that there's not more

709
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: horses being in this position? Is that right? Until there's

710
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: another solution. So that's a part of it. And then

711
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of people like the

712
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: woman who the President of American wild Horse Campaign. Her

713
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: name is Ellie. She's got a big ranch up in

714
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: northern California which I went and visited, and she's rescued

715
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: over two d fifty wild horses from from slaughter auctions.

716
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: She actually bought the horses by the pound, that's how

717
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: they auction them, because they're intended for me. And she

718
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: bought all these horses and just set them fear on

719
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: her ranch. So I think, you know, if there are

720
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: people who want to get involved, who hasn't, who have

721
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: land and they want to rescue horses, if there are

722
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: people who just want to donate to the cause, if

723
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: you just want to share that you even learned about this,

724
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: because like you said, I was in the same position

725
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: as you and I found this campaign. I had no

726
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: idea that this was even happening to these horces. I

727
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: didn't know they were being killed and rounded up and

728
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, And so I think that's been

729
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And from the time I discovered an

730
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: American wild Horse campaign, the number of people following them

731
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: and paying attention has grown exponentially, and they've been able

732
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: to have a lot of success in changing legislation in

733
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: different states and getting horses better protected. So it's working,

734
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: which is great to see you actually can see progress

735
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's very encouraging. But yeah, it's just you know,

736
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: getting people to not understand and know that this is

737
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: even an issue. Yeah, well, thank you for sharing about that.

738
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, that's something I think everyone

739
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: should just be aware of of what's going on outside

740
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: of our little bubbles that we, you know, like we

741
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: live in. And because I and I don't find peace

742
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: around horses being near them, I do have a heart bread.

743
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: I cried seeing a squirrel this morning, Like I the

744
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: thought of animals being heard as like I I, it's

745
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: devastating no matter, you know. And I think one day

746
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: I'll have a relationship with horses. It just hasn't happened yet. Well,

747
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: but I don't like to work on that together. Maybe

748
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: the ranch or something. Yeah, I would love, I mean,

749
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I really there there is potential for resolve there, but

750
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't want. I want them to be free. Um okay,

751
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: wait what was the Instagram again? Free wild but it's

752
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: free wild horses. Yeah, okay, cool, everyone can check that out. Um,

753
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: so are you right now? Are you currently in a relationship,

754
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: are you single? What's your stat Do you talk about

755
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: that still? I well, okay, So I made the mistake

756
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: of saying when I was on Nick Files podcast that

757
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: I was never going to have a public relationship again

758
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and everything. And I think what I meant by that

759
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: was just that I don't want to have a relationship

760
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: that's like in the tabloids, you know what I mean.

761
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to do events like overly public things.

762
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: But I'm not I certainly would never want to hide

763
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: somebody I'm dating. I don't. I would not appreciate that

764
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: if I was dating someone hiding me. Um. No. I

765
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend and we we've been dating is may

766
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: um and everything's going really well. It's really I It's

767
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: funny because a lot of my friends will ask me

768
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: how's everything going, and all I can ever say it's

769
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: going really well because it's like the most seamless, chill relationship.

770
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: I just feeling like it's strangely easy easy. I've never

771
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: had a relationship that was just easy. And I also

772
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: feel like, and not to I don't want to put

773
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: anyone else down, but I feel like he's the first

774
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: like adults that I've ever dated where he's like super

775
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: more mature than me by far. Like he's so I

776
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: don't know he Um. His name is Chris Um and

777
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: he's the founder and creative director of a company called

778
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: Brock Collection. So he's a fashion designer. And I like

779
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: to say he's the gayest straight man I know because

780
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: he's so he's so into fashion and he's so I mean,

781
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: we have a lot of like kind of feminine things

782
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: in common, which is I'm into skating, and he's like

783
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: from Texas, and so he's like a ranch guy's so

784
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: hand and he's like loves horses. He's a dream. Um.

785
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: What's really funny is I took him riding for the

786
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: first time in his life. He had never been horseback riding,

787
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: even though he grew up on a ranch in Texas,

788
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: day of the cows and everything, but not a horse

789
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: wo um. And so I took him riding for the

790
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: first time in Utah, and he was always you know,

791
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: he because he's Texans, so he's like cowboy, but he

792
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: just doesn't ride horses. So he's always talking about he's

793
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: a cowboy, Like you're not a cowboy if you don't

794
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: ride horses. I'm sorry. So I took him riding for

795
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: the first time, and thinking it's going to be this

796
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: mellow ride. We were in Zion National Park and the

797
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: views are stunning. We're gonna go for the sunset ride.

798
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: And we get on the horses and we were walking

799
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: for maybe two minutes. Agos I want to go fast,

800
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: and we just go fast. It's like Ricky Bobby and

801
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I just want to go fast, and and

802
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: so I looked at the guy to you goes, we

803
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: can do whatever you guys want. And Chris just like

804
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: kicks a horse and takes off at a gallop down

805
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: this trail. Never ridden before in his life, and he's

806
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: so comfortable. We're done riding. He looked at me and

807
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: he goes, I'm a cowboy really honestly, you really are,

808
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: because that's most of you. Can't just do that. And

809
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: then I asked him too, because he was riding he

810
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: was kind of snacking the horse with the reins a

811
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: little bit on his butt to get his go faster,

812
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: and said, where the hell did you come up with that?

813
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: Why are you doing? He well, I was just doing

814
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: what I see in the movie. Okay, Well, I had

815
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: a different experience when my horse started running, and I

816
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: wish I had the footage because it used to be

817
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: on on the like on the internet, but I can't

818
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: find it anywhere because was this on The Bachelor. Yeah,

819
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: and there was a go pro on the like handle,

820
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: So it was like this upward angle of me fully

821
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: panicked but trying to play it cool. Did your saddle

822
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: had a horn in the front? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the handle.

823
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: So I was riding Western and um we took They

824
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: told me they gave me like the mellow horse, and

825
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: there was a little donkey and it kept irritating my horse,

826
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: and so my horse starts running through the trail. I'm

827
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: like trying to play it cool because it's my first

828
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: one on one day and it is just full panic.

829
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: Like I got off the horse and was shaking. All

830
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: the producers looked like they were all so concerned. It

831
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 1: was like, are you okay? I think they were working

832
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: like no one was prepared for it. Yeah right, They're like, uh,

833
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: you're good, right, And then I had to get back

834
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: on the horse to go to our picnic area. It

835
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: was I would like to have a redo and have

836
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: it happened like Chris's did you know, Yeah, you would

837
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: think that were you out of the country, when that happened. No,

838
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I was in South Dakota. Oh interesting, because I was

839
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: going to say, I've been on several trips where I'll

840
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: stay at a resort in Indonesia Bally or something area

841
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: or Mexico or something, and they're like, yeah, the horses chill,

842
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: and then you get on and they are clearly not

843
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: properly trained or whatever. It's like a totally but here,

844
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: usually the resorts have such strict insurance policies and codes

845
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: they have to abide by that they are usually kind

846
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: of more straightforward. So it was nothing like our camel

847
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: ride and Calva that one time there that is still

848
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: one of my favorite. That was the most ridiculous thing

849
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I think I've ever done in only because of the

850
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: helmets with the I have to tell us. So we

851
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: go to um Cabo and we stayed at this amazing result.

852
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: It was with Foray Um Caitlin's business at the time.

853
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: Are you still associated with for a No. We ended

854
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: up just kind of rolling it into another company, and

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I felt aside about a year and a half ago. Yeah,

856
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: So when we were working together, we went to Cabo

857
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: and we were there was like a bunch of influencer

858
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: bloggers and so we you know, were there to take

859
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: beautiful photos and shoot content. And we were so excited

860
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: because we had this camel ride booked and we had

861
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: these visions of like being on the beach. Was on

862
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the beach and having like our dresses flowing behind us

863
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: with like the camel. It was like gonna be gorgeous.

864
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: And we get there and they make us put on

865
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: a helmet with like a sheet over our head as

866
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: like tradition for the cam. Well, I don't really remember

867
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: what the rules were, but Caitlin was so upset that

868
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: she's like arguing with the guy in her helmet, like

869
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: it was impossible to take her weather veil over the helmet,

870
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: which I think protect us from the sun. But see,

871
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: I thought it was more of like the camel's feeling

872
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: safe for something. I don't know. We looked at little

873
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Darth Vaders. That's what I think every time I see that.

874
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: We looked like little Darth Vaders or the or the

875
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: soldiers that work for him, you know. So we're all

876
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: in like these amazing outfits, like with our dresses and

877
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: skirts and then our helmets on. So the photos were

878
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: some of my favorites, but not what we envision. Yeah,

879
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we could use them for any professional

880
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: Persusine got a lot of laughs out of them. They

881
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: try to find that photo to post in Cohen's talk

882
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: about the podcast. Yeah, I know we should just share

883
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: it because people. I mean, it was so insane. I

884
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, that was like the photo that never died,

885
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: and we would send it to each other at least

886
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: once a year. That might be going making it surrounds

887
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: again this year. I was. The thing was that everyone

888
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: found so funny was that I was like throwing a

889
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: fit to the guides because I was like this, our

890
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: photos are going to be terrible. This is unacceptable, And

891
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm on my phone texting trying to get them to

892
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: change whatever. And I've got this massive helmet with a

893
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: veil on as I'm so angry marching around. It was

894
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. Ali and I still talk about

895
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: that moment. It was awesome. Um so, what you're filming

896
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: the hills right now? When? Like how long does that go?

897
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: So we are so yeah, we started filming in October.

898
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: We're scheduled to film through February. Um, but of course

899
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: with the delays with COVID, I think it'll probably get

900
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: extended beyond that. It took us the first season a

901
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: year to finish filming because we actually filmed for three

902
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: months and with a different show runner, and then they

903
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,720
Speaker 1: scrap all of that material because it was just everyone

904
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: was just so uncomfortable and it was it was not

905
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: good um, and so we re shot the entire show.

906
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: And so it took us a year to get the

907
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: first season done, And it's now taking us a year

908
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: because we started filming in February and we film for

909
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: two weeks and how to stop got that. So it's

910
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: kind of wild. It just takes so long to get

911
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: these shows made. But I do think though I honestly

912
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: worked really hard to not have to film the Hills

913
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: again because I was like, you know, that's kind of

914
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: my old life and it's with Roody, and I just

915
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: want to move forward and do my own project. And

916
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to get out of my contract, which

917
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: at the time I was really upset about. But now

918
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful, because of course for the work, but

919
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: also because we're having a lot of fun and I

920
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: actually feel like we're making a really good show this

921
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: time around. I'm so excited. I think everyone just excited to,

922
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: like you said, not only to be having work, but

923
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: just to be doing something that feels somewhat normal. I

924
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: think everyone's just once normalcy, and even the viewers like

925
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: to have that something to walk much. And it's kind

926
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: of like when they when they decided they were going

927
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: to do The Bachelor Bachelorette and everyone's like, well, they're

928
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: only in Palm Desert, They're not leaving. I was like,

929
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: who cares, Like we're getting this feels like our normal

930
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: life with these shows on. Yeah, I mean, I think

931
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: that it is really nice to have some kind of

932
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: sense of normalcy and be back. I I don't do

933
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: well when I don't have a lot of work on

934
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: my plate because I feel really anxious, and I always

935
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: feel better when I've got a consistent work schedule. Um,

936
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: I just like to be busy, you know. And so

937
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: it's which I'm sure a lot of people can relate to,

938
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: but me, quarantine has been really hard for everyone. But

939
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful it's back. And and then I'm actually

940
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: excited and I want to do some kind of big fun,

941
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: you know party when it airs and find hopefully we'll

942
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: be at the point in time where we can actually

943
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: do that, and you know, yeah, so life's took going

944
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: pretty good right now. I know. I'm so happy for you.

945
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: Thank you again for coming on and co hosting with me.

946
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: It was such a fun way to end. This is

947
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: the last last show of the season. Well, Mark and

948
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: Easton are going to do a bonus episode, but as

949
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: far as it's my last show of the season, so

950
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. Thank you. I me use

951
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: my pleasure. It's like the highlight of my week month

952
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: here I'm going out with the bang, with the the

953
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: credit you're giving this show. I truly appreciate it. Um,

954
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: I'll let you go enjoy your aspen bak enjoy. Sorry,

955
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: thank you for taking time out of your trip to

956
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: record and it's um. I love you, I'm proud of you,

957
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully I'll get to see you soon. Yes, okay, alright, bye,

958
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: all right, everybody, Thank you again for such an amazing year.

959
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, and we love you and cannot wait to

960
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: see you in one Mark and Easton will be doing

961
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: a bonus episode for your listening pleasure. I was gonna

962
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: say viewing pleasure. Unfortunately, they won't be doing a shirtless

963
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: video episode. It will just only be Okay, I don't

964
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: know that, but as of now that's what I know,

965
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: used to know. I'm going to put out a calendar

966
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: for next year. The boys are scrubbing in just like

967
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: different poses in the closet and in the office plan. Um,

968
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: So if you all want to do I would do

969
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: like ask ask Easton and Mark advice because those are

970
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: two of the literally the greatest guys that you'll find

971
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: in at least America. So I don't know what the

972
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: guys are like overseas, but I can say in America, Um,

973
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: thank you all, Love you all. Happy New Year, Merry Christmas,

974
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: happy holidays, celebrating whatever you celebrate, enjoy um time with

975
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: your family. If you can't be with your family, just

976
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: know that you're avoiding maybe controversial conversations that could have happened,

977
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: and you're avoiding them. I'm I'm about to set off

978
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: on a four day journey home. So oh, good luck,

979
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Good luck to me, good luck

980
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: to my sisters. Is it's gonna be fun. I'm excited.

981
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: I've never I've never just taken time. I've driven from

982
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Louisiana to California one time. But we just drove like

983
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: we didn't. We just got here, So this will be

984
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: my first time stopping and seeing places, so I'm excited.

985
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: But I love you guys. Thank you all for everything

986
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: you do. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and um, I

987
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 1: love you all.