1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Bill Courtney was shop Talk number 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: twenty six, Ding Ding Ding. I did it for you, Alex. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: I know one day you're going to go to Bell. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Can we not afford a bell? I talked to a 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: listener the other day who said, why don't you just 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: go to office depot and get a bell? What are 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: you doing? That's kind of what I'm asking. Good for 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: the listener. Yeah, I know, for kids things to do, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: God forbid take the time to go to Bell. Anyway, Hey, everybody, 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: shop Talk. So I received a letter that I'm going 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: to read now before we break and let you kind 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: of marinate on the letter, and then I'll come back 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it because I think it's really interesting. 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: I'm also going to change this a little bit, and 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to use names for obvious reasons. Once 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: you hear this, you'll understand. But you who sent me 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: this letter, this is your shop talk for you that 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: I hope people can also glean some type of some 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: type of guidance from dear coach Bill. I'd like a 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: lesson from you on how to make the decision to 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: lean in or walk away. Lord have mercy? Have we 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: all not had that thought process in relationships or all 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: kinds of all manner of different things were involved in 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: You see, I serve on the board of a nonprofit organization, 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: one made up of teachers, and now I'm kind of 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: being careful here, one made up of teachers who are 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: donating time for doing private work with students. I helped 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: incorporate this organization a couple of decades ago and have 29 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: served our teachers in just about all capacities. I left 30 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: the area, moved away for a while, and I came 31 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: back a few years back and started serving on the 32 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: board again. Leadership has been on the decline. The organization 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: has actually lost its five one five oh one C 34 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: three status in the past. Membership has dwindled, and there's 35 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: political infighting on the board. Any and all suggestion that 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: I and other members of the board have made have 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: been shot down. There are things that need to be 38 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: done to turn the organization around, but I don't want 39 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: to wage war, nor I don't really feel like I 40 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: have time to. What's more, it's eating away at my 41 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: owner piece. At this point, I'd like to walk away, 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: but my conscience is telling me to lean in. I 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: don't know what to do what do you think. I 44 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: would be most grateful if you could talk about it 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: on your shop talk of inspiration and guidance from you 46 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: on your podcast all the time, and look up to 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: you as a virtual mentor. So that last line I 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: had to read because it makes me feel so good. 49 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: So thank you. Wow. You know, I've got to believe 50 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: that in a number of different things in our lives, 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: we've all been faced with this kind of similar issue 52 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: and we struggle with the decision do I lean in 53 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: and fight or do I just on my hands up 54 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and walk away? Because you know, my life's too short. 55 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: I got better things to do. It's an interesting thing. 56 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: So shop Talk number twenty six is lean in or 57 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: walk Away. Right after these brief messages from our generous sponsors, 58 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: welcome back, lean or walk away, I'm going to tell 59 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: you a story that I haven't told. I don't think 60 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: I've ever told it publicly or on the air. Certainly 61 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: had conversations about it with friends, but I'm gonna go 62 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: ahead and tell you. When I was first at Manassas, 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I was oblivious, candidly to the societal and political differences 64 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: of certain people around me and the school and the 65 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: program to let you know, Manassas is over one hundred 66 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: year old school. It's been a proudly largely African American 67 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: school for its entire time. Isaac Cay's actually went to 68 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: Manassas and for many, many, many decades, Manassas graduated kids 69 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: who went on to go to college, and doctors, attorneys, 70 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: and people from all walks of life have been successful 71 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: coming from Manassas. And then after King got killed in 72 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: sixty eight and the area of New Chicago, which is 73 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: another very proud, largely African American community, started suffering the 74 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: consequences of stores moving out, business moving out money leaving. 75 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: Manassas kind of got caught in that vacuum. And despite 76 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: its very, very proud heritage, had struggled for many years 77 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: with involvement parents, finances, and candidly community sport. So my 78 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: first game at Manassas I coached. There were four people 79 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: in our stands and it was the principal, the athletic director, 80 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: a lady named missus Guy who never missed a Manasas anything, 81 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: and back then she had to have been in her seventies, 82 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: and the bus driver. That was it. There was absolutely 83 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: zero support. Nineteen kids on the team they'd won four 84 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: games and ten years. It really wasn't a football program. 85 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: It was not much. And then, of course, if you've 86 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: watched Undefeated or you know my story, six years later, 87 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: we had seventy five kids on the team. We were 88 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: winning lots of ball games, new equipment, and our stands 89 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: were packed. The weird thing is, though, because I was 90 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: there six years, the people that were there on year 91 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: five and six weren't even involved in the school. In 92 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: year one and two, they were in seventh and eighth 93 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: grade somewhere else. Manassas is only high school, So the 94 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: people that showed up the last three years had absolutely 95 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: no perspective as to what it took to get Manassas 96 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: to that level, and so they don't remember. They didn't 97 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: remember the four ninety four. They didn't remember the fact 98 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: that there was no equipment. They didn't remember the fact 99 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: that the equipment we had was old and outdated. They 100 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: didn't they didn't remember having to take the kids five 101 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: out of ten games out of town to get beat 102 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: or slaughtered by big, big schools who were writing a 103 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: check for us so that the team could just pay 104 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: basic bills. And they certainly didn't remember only four people 105 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: in the stands. They just didn't have that perspective. And 106 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: so sadly, there were some in the community who weren't 107 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: around the first two three years, who started showing up 108 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: years five and six, who were looking around going, why 109 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: why do we have this guy coaching our team? Why 110 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: don't we have you know, a guy that looks more 111 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: like the kids. Why don't we go hire another coach? 112 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Why don't we go in a different direction? You know's 113 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: what's this going on? And that hurt my feelings and 114 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: it made me angry, and it's frustrating, real frustrating the 115 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: point that I thought, you know, they don't want me here, 116 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I can leave. But I also knew that if I 117 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: left and my coaches left, and all the support that 118 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: we generated around the community would leave, that it would 119 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: be not long before Manassas was back to what it 120 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: was before we showed up. And it's not that we 121 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: were saving the Nassas. We just we just had the 122 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: ability to create the circumstances for the program to successful 123 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: and give the kids a level playing field and then 124 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: let the kids do their work. The other thing, candidly 125 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: is the kids weren't saying that stuff. It was just stuff. People, naysayers, 126 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: one or two bad apples in the community. Candidly, the vast, vast, 127 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: vast vast majority, ninety nine point five percent of the 128 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: parents and the teachers and the administrators and the students 129 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,479 Speaker 1: that didn't even play football and people in the community 130 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: were unbelievably supportive, appreciative, and proud of what the kids 131 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: and us together were building and had built. And it's 132 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: a reminder to me that you know, you could, you 133 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: could actually create a goose that laid a golden egg, 134 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and somebody would gripe about the shape. There is absolutely 135 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: we got people who say we didn't land land on 136 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: the moon. There's just people. There's just people. There are 137 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: always going to be no matter what you do and 138 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: how well you do it, there are going to be 139 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: people out there who detract and destroy and take away. 140 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: And so when you go into a difficult situation like 141 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: manassas or like our letter to start this conversation, walk 142 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: away or lean in. When you go to do some 143 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: work like this, you naturally assume you're going to have 144 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: some problems raising money, you'll have some problems getting volunteers, 145 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: but those are normal problems. But what you don't anticipate 146 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: sometimes is actually having problems on your own team of 147 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: people that are supposedly looking to serve, and it can 148 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: be very first And when I was at man ASSS, 149 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: I was very frustrated, and I'll almost let the nasty 150 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: sentiments of a very very small few ruin it for me, 151 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: the kids, and the vast majority of everybody else associated 152 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: with the program and all the work we'd done. And 153 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: had I walked away because of those detractors, you would 154 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: not be listening to me today, because there wouldn't have 155 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: be in movie made. I would have never written a book, 156 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: we had never started a podcast. I would not have 157 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: this platform to talk to you from. So lean in 158 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: or walk away, you know, whatever it was that inspired 159 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: you to start doing the good work you were doing 160 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: at the beginning, those things still exist. So if you 161 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: walk away from it today, why'd you even start it 162 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: in the first place. And if you let a few 163 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: unsavory detractors have you walk away, think of the opportunity 164 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: for impact you'd be missing every day. So my answer 165 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: will always be this, lean in, don't let the don't 166 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: let the loud minority screw it up for the very 167 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: thankful majority. Lean in, fight because whatever impetus, whatever was 168 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: in your mind to make this thing start in the 169 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: first place, still exist, and that must be we're fighting 170 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: for because the kids that these teachers are serving and 171 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: the greater community that can be built by this service 172 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: is worth leaning into. And you can't let one or 173 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: two bad apples destroy all of the good that can 174 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: be done. Lean in, don't walk away. I understand that 175 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: it can eat away at your inner piece. I get that. 176 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: I've had that, I've felt that, But just look at 177 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: the kids, look at the goods that's going on, and 178 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: let that restore your inner piece and direct your ire 179 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: where it should be directed, which is at the people 180 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: that are putting themselves before the kids in the organization 181 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: and work hard to overcome that, hopefully eradicate it, and 182 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: continue to serve kids in the best way you can. 183 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: So Shop Talk number six, twenty six, lean in or 184 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: walk away? I say, lean in hard, and do the 185 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: work for the right reasons, and don't let the the 186 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: loud minority ruin it for the thankful majority. I'm Bill Courtney. 187 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: That's shop Talk number twenty six, and I want to 188 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: tell you about one more thing before we go. We 189 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: are hosting our next live interview, which is our second 190 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: live interview. The first thing was with the Dancing ups 191 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: Man that I hoped you've seen online. It was awesome. 192 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: We are hosting our second one in Memphis on November 193 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: seventh at Second Presbyterian Church. They have a really nice, 194 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: big auditorium. This thing is with Todd camer Nikki. Sorry, 195 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: Todd Komernicki. Todd komer Nicky. How do you say it, 196 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: Todd coomer Nicki, There you go. Todd Komernicki is a 197 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: talented dude. He's the director of one of my favorite 198 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: movies on the face of the planet. That's just tear 199 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: jerking inspiring movie, a very thoughtful movie called Elf. I 200 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: hope you've seen it at Christmas. You joke about that, 201 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: people may think you're king. I love Elf. I tear 202 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: up Darnelf. The first I've ever watched it. When Santa 203 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: Claus took off, that was the greatest thing in the world. 204 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Everybody was singing, I love Elf. It's the funniest movie 205 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: on the face of the planet, and it's great, and 206 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: you have to watch it at Christmas. It's like that 207 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: and National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation I never miss him anyway. 208 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: This guy directed Elf. But on the more serious side 209 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: of things, he was the writer of Sully. You remember 210 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: the movie where they landed the plane in the Hudson 211 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: and saved everybody. And now some really deep content. He 212 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: is the director of Angels Studio's upcoming film. Bon Hoffer 213 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Pastor Spy Assassin now Dietrich Bonhaeffer was a pastor, a 214 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: German pastor, and he tried to rally the church in 215 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Germany to stop Hitler. He was involved in Operation seven, 216 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: which was an operation that was small ugging Jews into 217 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Switzerland to save their lives. But ultimately he joined the 218 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: famous Valkyrie plot, which was the plot to assassinate Hitler. 219 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: He was caught and he was executed in a concentration 220 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: camp for his involvement in that. He is one of 221 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the most epic examples of an ordinary person who lived 222 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: an extraordinary life of service all the way to the 223 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: point of death. Lean in or walk away, I'd say 224 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: he lean in. So we're going to tell this story 225 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: through the lens of the director of the film, Todd 226 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: com BERNICKI and I really hope you'll join us again. 227 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: It's November seventh, in Memphis, psychon Prebesterian Church. I think 228 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: this will be inspiring, interesting to meet this incredible director. 229 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: We're going to live record it and we'll even open 230 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: the audience up to questions. You can r s VP 231 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: for free tickets at Bonhoffer director dot event bright dot com. 232 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: That's b O N H O E F F E 233 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: R director dot event bright dot com. Really would like 234 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: to fill the place up. We can hold four five 235 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: six hundred people and so far we've got one hundred 236 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: rs vps or so. But we've got plenty of time 237 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: between now and November seventh. Y'all please come. I think 238 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: it'll be a great evening. Beyond that, I want to 239 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: thank our producer, Iron Light Labs. I'm Bill Courtney. That's 240 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: Shop Talk number twenty six. Always lean in. We'll see 241 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: you next week.