1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: The Welcome to the Ozone podcast featuring Jaguars dot Com 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Senior writer John Osher and Jaguars executive producer Dave the Kendis. 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: We're gonna get right to it today because we have 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: two really good guests. We have Marcus Pollo, director of 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: player Development, and Terry Robisky, Jaguars running backs coach. It's 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: a topic this week and a conversation I've been looking 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: forward to having ever since all the unrest began, ever 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: since the marches with Leonard Fournett and the players in 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: recent weeks, and I in thinking about how to start 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: the conversation. I've known Terry a couple of years and 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: don't know him that well. I followed his career, but 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: don't know him that well. I've known Marcus for nineteen years. 13 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I covered Marcus when I worked for the Colts and 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: he worked for the Colts. And Marcus, it strikes me 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: that you know, we've known each other nineteen years. I've 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: probably talked to you as much as I've ever talked 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: to an NFL player. Um, I've sat in your office 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: here at the Jags, I sat in the locker room 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: with the Colts, but yet we never really talked about 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: this issue. Probably not because of the way we feel 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: about each other, but it's just been over time, not 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: something if you ever got close to it, there was 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: that sort of awkward where are we going with this? 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: And when you're with the Colts, and I think you 25 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: would agree with this. There was probably no more unifying 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: guy in the locker room than you. I would walk 27 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: into the locker room and I would see you talking 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: to Edri and James and Reggie Wayne. You could turn 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: around and talk to Dallas Clark and Peyton manning it 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: with the same personality, same guy. But my guess is 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: even with Peyton and Dallas and your white teammates and 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: the Colts, this subject maybe didn't come up, or if 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: it did, probably didn't dig as deep as you have 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks. I guess that's a 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: long winded way of saying do you feel And Terry, 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this too, Do you feel like this 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: time is going to change that? Or or is that 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: the hope is that the feeling? How would you address that? 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: I guess the the hope is is that, um that 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: it changes. But if nothing else is starting a conversation, 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: and I think having having the ability to to talk 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: to Dallas and talk to Peyton and then turn and 43 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: talk to Edging and and Reggie Way and the same thing. U. 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: But it's different this time. It feels different to me. 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: This time, things that are are occurring are different. And 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned our march as an organization and players something 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: that they wanted to do. If I'm not mistaken, I 48 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: think it's the first time in history in NFL, in 49 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: it professional organization has done something in that magnitude. So 50 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: to me, that's history being made in itself. So it 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: feels different. And I think when when you talk about 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: having teammates that even to you and I Jail, we 53 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: spent a bunch of time in office rapping and talking. 54 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: I'll come by the office and talk in your space. 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: And so to me, the reason people haven't had those 56 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: conversations because they're uncomfortable and so and so now that 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: you are having to face those uncomfortable conversations, now you 58 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: can get things done. Because now if you go back 59 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: four years when we were here, what the whole conversation 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: about Colin Kaepernick and whatever people felt about that, it 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: was still basically what we're talking about now. But to me, 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: this time and based on Chris uh Connelly's words, this 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: should not be a moment, should be a movement. And 64 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: if we're thinking about moving, that means this thing has 65 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: to go continuously, not just stopping, because there's a whole 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: lot of energy and emotion surrounding it now. But to me, 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: I feel like there are actually things you're getting done. 68 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: The mayor just you know, ripped down some statues there 69 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: in downtown to take the mask off of some of 70 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: the racism that's happened here in the past. And no 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: longer will we stand for what's been happening. And so 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: when you can have those kind of conversations, they are 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: going to be difficult, and they should be because once 74 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: you have a conversation with somebody and they don't necessarily 75 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: feel the same view as you, and they didn't get 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: an understanding of what you've had to deal with, that's 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: exactly what we need to have. I think I'll jump 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: in here to John is what's interesting too is listening 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: to Marcus because in hearing Marcus talk, I'm hearing um um. 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: Years later, you know I'm hearing I'm hearing a different time. 81 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: You know, when when when you hear Marcus said that Hey, 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about a movement, and and and we're talking 83 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: about moving that needle. And you know, Marcus said, well, 84 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: maybe maybe that will be changed, maybe we'll move, maybe 85 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: it won't. We don't know that. You know, I'm here 86 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: to tell Marcus it's happening. I mean, it's trust me, 87 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: it's moving, you know what I mean. Because and again 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: I've gotta go, I've gotta go a different direction with 89 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: you guys, because I grew up. I grew up in 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: an environment where I didn't it wasn't really there wasn't 91 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: white people in my environment. And again, maybe Marcus the 92 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: situation was different. I don't know Marcus is high school, 93 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: his elementary school, I don't know, you know who was 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: his classmates. I don't know who markets met the class with, 95 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I tell people I 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: grew up in a hometown of people. Maybe maybe I'm 97 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm hard pressed to believe it was two hundred white 98 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: people in my hometown. I went to high school. My 99 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: high high school were very small, about four hundred, four 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: hundred students, And I never saw I never saw white 101 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: kids in high school until we played them in sports. 102 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: We we we didn't do that even when America said, uh, 103 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna integrate, we had a lot of our especially 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: our good athletes. A lot of all good players left 105 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: from us and went to the white school because they 106 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: thought they'd given a better opportunity to go progress and 107 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: and and and become better players and get scholarships. But 108 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: nobody left that white school and came to our school. 109 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: I mean, not even not even a cheerleader, you know 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: what I mean. But then I on the other side 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: of that lead from there, and I signed a scholarship 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: with one of the largest white universities in the world 113 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: in l U understand. So I go from a hometown 114 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: of people to three hundred white people the twenty five 115 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: thousand white students on the campus, you know, and it 116 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: was only seven of us when I got there. But 117 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: from there, I left and went to the Oakland Raiders, 118 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: and some of my best friends became, uh became white guys. 119 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: I mean, and again you know, when I got there, 120 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: they had just won the Super Bowl, so we all 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: loved everybody, you know. So, like you said, Marcus talked 122 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: to Peyton on one side and then talked the wing 123 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: on the other side. You know, I understand that I 124 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: understand all of it. But the thing I'll say is 125 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: the things I have seen in recent days when market 126 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: said a minute ago, we were at the market yesterday, 127 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: when the mayor says that statue was coming down, marcuts. 128 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: You gotta know it's it's changing. You better believe. You 129 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: better believe it's changing, you know. And that's why when 130 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: I was on the step and I stood up and 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: spoke and said what I said on Friday again in 132 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: my little bit of community back home, I think nineteen 133 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: six and seven or sixty eight, one of them, two 134 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: years that we marched. We marched against an all white 135 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: school board because they had fired a black coach that 136 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: we had, and we decided we was gonna march it. 137 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: We was gonna pick it. And what I'm saying is 138 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: all my life at that little bitty school down in Louisiana. 139 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: We were always the second class group. We were always 140 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: the blacks that didn't matter, you understand. Uh. Nothing we 141 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: did to nobody mattered, but it mattered to us, you understand. 142 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is for me is from my 143 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: very first march again in the eighteen sixty seven, when 144 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old, shot con and Doug Marone 145 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: and Dave Carlwell was on the other side of that march. 146 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: For me, those were the guys we were looking at 147 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: and yelling at and cussing that, and fussing that and 148 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: going at You understand. The thing that I have seen 149 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: as different is when you said a minute ago, you 150 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: and Marcus have had a lot of conversation over the years, 151 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: but y'all have never been able to talk about racial issues. 152 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Y'all never. The thing that's been phenomenally beautiful for me 153 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: is in Jacksonville as a Jaguar, I've set with a 154 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: head coach who's comfortable in that environment. Doug Marone is 155 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,119 Speaker 1: comfortable to sit down and talk about racism in America, 156 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: not just racist is him in the NFL Before, never 157 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: in my whole entire life had I ever seen that, 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: You understand, And again, you know, I can tell you 159 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: some of the head coaches I played for and the 160 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: head coaches I worked for, some of the greatest ever 161 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: coached the game. But to be able to sit down 162 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: and have a conversation about the treatment of black people 163 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: in America, I've only had one that's ever did that. 164 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: And then the kick about that is to have a 165 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Doug Marone who can have that discussion and be open 166 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: about it. Now we're not sitting there using the inny work, 167 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: but we're sitting there having a conversation, and this guy 168 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: can talk about his feelings, his family, their thought process 169 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: about blacks and how blacks are being treated. And then 170 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: after I get up from that desk of talking with 171 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: Doug Moron, I hear as an owner of the same 172 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: organization that stood up and talk about the ray sism 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: he has seen. Mhmm to him, you understand what I'm saying. 174 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: So that is movement in itself that's unbelievable. To believe 175 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: that it's coming from the top. You understand what I'm saying. 176 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: So again, there's always been Marcus and I and other 177 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: little guys whispering shooting, But now to have to have 178 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: these big people that's at the top top of their 179 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: professional to go back and say, yes, I remember I 180 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: saw this. Oh my god, that ain't right, and they 181 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: have shod say yes, this happened to me. You understand 182 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. This is unbelievable. And that's why I 183 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: said today with the Jacksonville Jaguars is a phenomenal thing 184 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: and again I can sit and tell Marcus it's changing, 185 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: but believe me, it's changing. You know, Yeah, I think 186 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: I think when I was saying that, I was speaking 187 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: about the change being more of a consistency and us 188 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: for now, but okay, that the statu would come down 189 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: to day and then three months from now, what are 190 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: we doing is still move the needle. That's what I 191 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: meant by by the change. I hope that you know. 192 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: I think you continue to have tough conversations. I think 193 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: you have to build legislature, take energy, right energy to 194 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: keep doing. Yes it does, Yes it does. And to me, 195 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: it's just like, uh, Terry is a prime example of 196 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: someone who came from a small high school who probably 197 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: was kind of overlooked, go to the l s U 198 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and plays, well, it didn't happen naturally, it didn't happen easy. 199 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: What Terry did he worked at it and he put 200 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: himself in a position to be successful with a l 201 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: s U. To me, this scenario ain't gonna being a 202 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: different It's gonna take some hard work, grind, sweat, tears, 203 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: bleeding together to really get it turned around. And that's 204 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: the change. You want a more consistent change, not just 205 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, fly by night. Everybody are still in their 206 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: emotions about what happened, you know, sixteen days ago. But 207 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: here we are sixteen years from now. And the hope 208 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: is that is a lot better because there's a tendency 209 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, with things like this, Okay, we did the march, 210 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: we did this, and people almost want to say, okay, 211 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: now is that it because that's usually how the news 212 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: cycles go and things like that. Things fad. We always 213 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: got to fight that feeling of letting it wane, right, 214 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: And I hope I'm saying that right. So I can 215 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: give you to two examples as tragic, tragic as nine 216 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: eleven was. You can't go through the airport the same 217 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: way anymore, right, COVID nineteen has vastly changed how we 218 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: do everything, interact, sports, watch TV, having these meetings, so 219 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: this should be no difference if it changed this point. 220 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: At this point, that has to be that systemic change 221 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: where we don't go back, we learned from what happened 222 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: and keep moving forward. We can't just let it die 223 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: out because it's been that that impactful, not just for 224 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: our country, but if you look at the protests and 225 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: the things that are happened around the world. It's affecting everybody. 226 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: And those folks in London, they don't they don't know 227 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: no about them from Minnesota. But it's about the Movement's 228 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: about the message and that's what we have to be 229 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: more consistent about. And to me, how you do that 230 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: is you have to be consistent, you have to be diligent, 231 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: and you have to have those people in place that 232 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: are willing to continue to pick up the mental every day. 233 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: Do you think Marcus in Terry sort of touched on 234 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: aspect that to get your thoughts as well? Here, you know, 235 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: does the fact that Shod wrote what he wrote, You 236 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: guys have been in a position to talk to more 237 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: players than we have since it started. Does that resonate? 238 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: Does that matter to them that he was on sort 239 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: of the front edge of that or front edge whatever 240 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: you call that. Does that matter? Absolutely? Absolutely? Um, I 241 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: think any time, and I think Chris Chris Connie talked 242 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: about that little bit one day on the meeting on 243 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: the machine where he was saying and and and we 244 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: all know that feeling. I think Marcus knows it too. 245 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: He was saying, Chris was saying kind of a back 246 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: in the day five years ago, when they were taking 247 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: the knee. He was in Kansas City and he I think, 248 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: and Marcus, you can help me with this, But I 249 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: think he was saying a little bit of the stress 250 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: that came from him taking the knee, and every day 251 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: had to talk to the PR guy, and every morning 252 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: at the express himself to somebody and be kept asking 253 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: you are you're gonna take a knee? You're not gonna 254 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: take a knee? What are you gonna do? Yeah, he 255 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: said he got frustrated with that. He got frustrated with it. 256 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: And I think that wears on you. You know what 257 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: I mean. I think that that that in itself. Every day, 258 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: that thing wears on you. You gotta tell the PR 259 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: got gonna take a your knee. Yes, I know I'm 260 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: not where you gotta speak to this. You gotta do that. 261 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: But when you sit down and say, hey guys, we're 262 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, as an owner in front of you that 263 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: said this happened to him and it's wrong. You know 264 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: when he said, it kills lives, It kills hope, it 265 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: kills dream, it destroys community. You know what it is. 266 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: You don't need to look over your shoulder because the 267 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: guy who's in charge of this. He's in front of you, 268 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: So I gotta believe. Again, I keep saying, I hope 269 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: it resonates to the players like it do to me, 270 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: because I hadn't been on both sides of that fence, 271 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: and I know what it's like, you know, when you're 272 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: looking over your shoulder to see I wonder if my 273 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: big boss heard me say that, you know what I mean? 274 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: And and this is one of those my big boss 275 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: said it. He didn't hear me, he said he said it. 276 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: And the kicking part for this is we've kind of 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: got a tag team going here when one big boss, 278 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: when one big boss isn't there to said the other 279 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: big bosses there said it the first day we walk, 280 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, I shout it. Already released his press release, 281 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: but he wasn't there for the march, you understand. And 282 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: again I'm gonna go back and said again, to have 283 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Doug maron Uh stand in front of that Jack was 284 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: that you that same statue outside the gate, and for 285 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: him to just be able to tell the press, I 286 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: have never been black. I won't know what it would 287 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: be like to be black in America. I don't know 288 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: what his life to rease black kids in America. He 289 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: didn't have to say nothing else. He did nothing else. 290 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: If that don't resonate with the people who's following him, 291 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: something wrong, Marcus, did you, um, did you get the 292 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: same vibe? I assume because you were closely with all 293 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: the players, I'm assuming you got sort of that same 294 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: vibe and the players during that of Okay, what Terry's 295 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: talking about, Doug supports this, dougs on board, and that's 296 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: a different You know, it's hard to put that into words, 297 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: but I guess you just feel it as a players 298 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: at somebody in your position. Yeah, you know, to me, 299 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: when Shot came out with a statement and then coaching 300 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: Ron following it up with what we're doing now having 301 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: an action, I don't think you have to say anything. 302 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: I think there's a genuine feeling amongst the players that 303 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: they feel and coach Maron said it. He said, if 304 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: you guys are active in protests, you don't have to 305 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: worry about getting cut. If you get cut, it would 306 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: be because you weren't good enough. It won't be because 307 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: you're protesting. And to me, in that in itself, to 308 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: me has to be comforting because part of the reason 309 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: we got here is based on something that everybody knows. 310 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: Peyton Thompson said it was probably not a fair accurate 311 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: statement about coach Maron, and Coach Maron felt some kind 312 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: of way about it, which I totally understand, but had 313 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: not Peyton made the statement, could coach have gotten where 314 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: we are now? I don't know, but the fact that 315 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: he did to me says a lot about what we 316 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: are doing and that people are changing the thought process 317 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: behind this whole thing and changing. To have the head coach, 318 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: the GM and the owner feels so passionate about what 319 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: we're doing. It makes it easy for the players who 320 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: want to walk and do whatever they feel comfortable doing 321 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and speaking their minds as Leonard did in the protests. 322 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: Chris Collin got up and so eloquently put his message 323 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: out there for everybody to hear, and doing his history 324 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: and research before he even spoke, so to me, that's 325 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: part of it. And you know, John, let me add 326 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: this to is that being in my position as a 327 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: youth football director as well, I've kind of got to 328 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: do au basketball coach and I know a lot of 329 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: high school football coachers. Well. I was asked recently to 330 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: be on a call, what about thirty local high school 331 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: coach and a few college coaches, and based on what 332 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: I've experienced in my short time in the sixteen days 333 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: since UH George Flord's death, I talked to him about 334 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: three things that I thought are actionable steps. And to me, 335 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: a lot of times people always talk about, you know, 336 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 1: here are the issues. You know, Blacks are being killed 337 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: by the police, there's economic divide, you know, there are 338 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: a whole multitude of things that people are concerned with. 339 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: But the three things I encourage those folks on that 340 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: call was, first of all, we have to we have 341 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: to listen. You gotta listen. First of all, you gotta listening. 342 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: Coach Maron has done a phenomen o job. Hey, I 343 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: don't know tell me what I need to know. I've 344 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: never been black. I don't know what it's like to 345 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: have black kids. I don't know what it feels like 346 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: to have a black kid lead the house, driving the 347 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: car and they get pulled over and beat up because 348 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: simply because he's black. Listen, you have to learn, and 349 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: to me, to get a real genuine understanding, you have 350 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: to take yourself back, although it may be uncomfortable. Chris 351 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Connelly reminded us of some of the history that we 352 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: attach ourselves to. A Saxon millions. Chris reminded us of 353 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: those tragedies. Until you learn, you can't doing it better. 354 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: And the third one is you have to lift. And 355 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: I think that's where we are now. We're we've listened, 356 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: we were learning and will continue to lift, not just 357 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: the heads for hearts, but everything that comes with that. 358 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: And that's what you have to continue to do. Listen, 359 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: learn and lift and to me that if we can 360 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: continue to do that from now, we're making traction. When 361 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: the uh, the unrest and the situation sixteen days ago, 362 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: when this first started becoming a topic with the players 363 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: and you guys were under zoom cause I'm sure it 364 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: was a topic fast, did you expect it to go 365 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: this way? I assume at first there had to have 366 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: been sort of a nervousness of Hey, what's gonna happen here? 367 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: How is this gonna play out? Will this be divisive? 368 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm assuming those feelings were strong. I guess that's what 369 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm asking. And how hard was it to get to 370 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: where it was about conversation and you found productivity? And 371 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: I guess I can ask you about in sixteen days ago. Um, 372 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: guys are really frustrated, mad, just trying to figure out Sure, yeah, 373 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, quite frankly, simply emotional on what to do. 374 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: But in that having these zoom calls, and again we 375 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: keep throwing it back to Doug Moron, but he's been awesome. 376 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: He really has men, because you know, once we started 377 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: talking about what can we do as a group, coaches 378 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: like later for meetings. I know we gotta win football games, 379 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: and know we gotta learn the offensive, defense and special teams. 380 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: But this is bigger than football. And when you hear that, 381 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: and you hear the head coach said that to a 382 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: team that's hurting, now you're showing empathy, and now guys 383 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: are like, okay, I can rock with this too. So 384 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: even even even in the midst of having that sense 385 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: of anger and hostility and emotions, a guy who's white, so, okay, 386 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I understand this ain't high football on them all. What 387 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: can I do to help y'all? And when you get 388 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: that kind of connection with the head coach and the 389 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: team and the owner that says okay, and a and 390 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: a mayor and a sheriff that says okay, now you've 391 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: got a bunch of people moving in the right direction. Terry, 392 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about that, but no, no, 393 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I mean I agree with your thousand percent. 394 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: And again I can, I think I can kind of 395 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: I can kind of do like you doing piggyback you 396 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: and uh, I guess something that we we we got 397 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: we got to get tired talking about Doug Moron. I 398 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: think the big thing about that, John is and I'm 399 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: gonna go back with you on something else too, but 400 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: the big thing about that is when you're sitting with 401 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: when you're sitting with Doug, and and when Doug is 402 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of sitting now talking about and let me just 403 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: be a little frank, like he said, I'm sitting my 404 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: fat ass on the couch. When he's at home sitting 405 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: his fat ass on the couch. He's got a wife 406 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: that's gonna say, no, you're getting up, let's go. We're 407 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: doing this. And then to hear him say he walked 408 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: with his kids when he tells that football team, I 409 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: got up and walked with my kids because my kids 410 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: said that this ain't right, and this wasn't and it 411 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: was and this was a protest that wasn't even associated 412 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: with one of the players or the organization. It was 413 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: the one that was just in the community that he 414 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of. Yes, but again, the thing, 415 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: the thing I'm gonna say, the thing I'm gonna say John, 416 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: is this. And again they're like I told Markus a 417 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: minute ago. Um, you know, my my forty six years 418 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: and forget the forty six shi in the NFL, but 419 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: my six or five years of life. And to come 420 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: from where I came from to see where the world 421 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: is today. Uh, it's it's changing. It's forever changing. And 422 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: and and and there's a million things that's changing every 423 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: day you follow me, and and and I guess John, 424 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: and little you and I those dinosaurs here and uh 425 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: what's happening is we were sitting now looking at those 426 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: changes and and and and as they tell you what 427 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: therek You know, if you don't step up, you get 428 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: swallowed up. You heard Marcus said a minute ago, Right, 429 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: Marcus touched on two things. And as soon as you said, 430 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I thought about two three others. Marcaut said. The way 431 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: we walked through an airport has changed forever because of 432 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: what Marcus eleven eleven, Yes, sir, he said coronas. That's 433 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Corona's disease. That's that's really really recent, you know what 434 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: I mean, there's really reason that has changed the world forever. 435 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: You know, listen, years and years ago, it was something 436 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: came up immediately, something came about cancer. Cancer changed the 437 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: world forever. Now let me give you another one. Listen 438 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: to me, good. Uh, it's another one. That's a sleeping 439 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: giant that I kind of watch America. Keep my eyes 440 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: on stuff. They are world changes. That's the thing that 441 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: that's going on right now. Is that me too. Movement? 442 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: Respectful women, you understand, that's a hell of a deal. 443 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you, if we as Americans don't 444 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: keep eye on it and respect it and learn to 445 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: learn to love it and understand it, you got it'll 446 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: swallow us up, you know, because that's big. That's big. 447 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you see what's going on with that And 448 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: and John I can tell you that's a hell of 449 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: a movement too. It's a lot of things that are 450 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: really really stepping forward and changing the world and changing 451 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: the world. And I believe where we are in football 452 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: today or where we are in society today, and what's 453 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: going on in society to the day with this guy's 454 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: Mr Floyd's dead. I don't think we're going back. I 455 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna ever change how we go through 456 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: the airport. I don't think the me Too movements can 457 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: ever go away. I don't think I don't think we're 458 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,120 Speaker 1: ever going back. I think where we are now, we 459 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: we got something going. I think that snowball is rolling 460 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: on the hill. It might get a little bigger, and 461 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: it might should on a little bit, but I don't 462 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: think we're ever going back. You talked about you you're 463 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: your first March when you're thirteen. It does sound like 464 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: there's party that's pleased with what you're seeing and hopeful 465 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: about direction. Absolutely absolutely, because just exactly exactly what Marcus 466 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: touched on a minute ago is every day we're becoming 467 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: more and more open to the conversation. And I think again, 468 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna stop after this, but I think again, 469 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: when everybody, when everybody here sees Big Barone and Sean 470 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: con and even David Carlwell, when they see them sit 471 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: on and talk about it openly, openly, man, that's about 472 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: That's about his progressive is progressive can get and and 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: and and I'm telling you. Uh, it's impressive. Ye let 474 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: me let me. Let me add this too. Let me 475 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: add this to uh. The other facet of my job 476 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: as player engagement talking about you football a little bit. 477 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: The other part is is a very unique group in 478 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: player Engagement. There's only thirty two of us UM and 479 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: we often get together and share best practices. And we've 480 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: had calls recently about what we're talking about now. And 481 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: I find it so disheartening and saddened that organizations are 482 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: not having these conversations. How can you not how can 483 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: you not have these conversations? How can you not feel 484 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: that there are some injustices across the board and not 485 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: have you get the idea? And it isn't going on everywhere, Marcus, Oh, 486 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I know it's not. I'm telling for that's why it included. 487 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. Okay, it's not. It's not. A 488 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: lot of people are are talking, but nobody or lifting 489 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: might have talked about lifting, lifting, and those organizations antybody 490 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: lifting there listening, they're learning, but they ain't lifting at 491 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: this point. If you're gonna make a change, you gotta 492 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: do all three and some of these organizations are not 493 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: doing it. As I said, at the top. There's so 494 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: many areas you could go to and this could be 495 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: a week long conversation. But I'm curious about what you 496 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: guys have learned about the players. I asked you first, Harry, 497 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: the players that you coach, and the players that you've 498 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: talked to the most. I say, every knows you have 499 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: a great relationship with Leonard Fournett and you were there. 500 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: What have you learned about your guys? I guess as 501 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: men through all this, I think that um I think 502 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: on the line, what Marcus are saying is they're they 503 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: are listening, they are learning, and they're willing to lift. 504 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: I think they are. I think the other side that 505 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: is they're not afraid. They're not afraid of a challenge. 506 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: They're not afraid of compete on the field and off 507 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: the field and their vocal and they're not afraid. Especially Lena, 508 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: which I think I already knew, he's not afraid to 509 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: be out front, you know. I mean, he's not afraid 510 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: to be out front. And he's absolutely not afraid to 511 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: stand up and speak about what's right or what's wrong. 512 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: And again I think for Lenna, his mindset is, you know, 513 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: wrong is wrong, color don't matter. If it's wrong, it's wrong, 514 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: and he's not afraid to do it. I think the 515 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: thing that was very very touching for me, uh with 516 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: yesterday markets at Lena's march, the thing that was very 517 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: touching for me was to be able to see Lenna 518 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: stand up on the step with the mayor and say, 519 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: this is my second home. Oh well I want Jacksonville, 520 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: I want jackson Ville. No, this is my second home. 521 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: And then I looked at the crowd and whatever was 522 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: what it was mark two three thousand people, and I'm like, wow, 523 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't think his first home lacking that much. I mean, 524 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: I know some people first home, so that was impressed 525 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: it for me. But um, to see him there, to 526 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: see Q was there, Raquel was there, Chris was there. 527 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: To see those guys there with each other, supporting each other. Uh. 528 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: And and the rest of the team, not just those 529 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: three running backs, just the players themselves. To see that, uh, 530 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: the players, To see the players more open minded and 531 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: more willing to stand up and speak up and say 532 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: something and do something. It's just it's a blessing. This 533 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: will forever change this group. And I try to make 534 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: it about football because it's about bigger than that. But 535 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: people watching this do care about the Jaguars. People listening 536 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: to it. It's gonna change how these guys to feel 537 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: about each other, and uh, I guess relate to each 538 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: other probably for the rest of their lives. Won't on 539 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: some level. I mean, being a part of this together 540 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: will matter. I agree. One. You know, oftentimes when people 541 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: have adverse situations, it brings them closer in a relationship 542 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: and a household and sports or no different. And when 543 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: you have something that's as powerful and then as impactful 544 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: as racism, and you have every guy standing on that 545 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: line that says that don't matter what color I am, 546 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: was wrong, was wrong? Was rights right? You start to 547 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: build a bond and a unity that will pass the 548 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: next twenty five years. So whether this team goes to 549 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: the super Bowl or not, they will have something special 550 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: that they can always look back at and say, you 551 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: know what, I was a part of that back in 552 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty. I'm six or five years old, but 553 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: I was a part of that first ever march in 554 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: Jacksonville that I hope made a difference now on It 555 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter about a super Bowl, doesn't matter about who 556 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: gives super Bowl MVP at this point for what they've accomplished, 557 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: they have something much stronger bond than any game they're 558 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: ever playing or win. Because it strikes me this is, 559 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, every time Doug talks this off season, talks 560 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: about what a young team that says, but it strikes 561 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: yet and again I've not been in the Zoom conversation, 562 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: so I haven't heard it. Been listening to you guys, 563 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: it strikes you that there's a lot of young guys 564 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: who or maybe a little more mature beyond their years. 565 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm making too much of it, but but 566 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like for a young team, they've handled or 567 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: approach this situation, I guess pretty maturely. I don't know 568 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: if it words in your mouth, but it feels like 569 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: that from what you're telling me. And I agree with 570 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: that ad percent. I don't know how Marcus feels, but 571 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: like you're saying, is uh to hear DJ talking? You 572 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: know DJ is a third year guy, you know, to 573 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: hear D Chris, I understand, you know. I see Chris 574 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: like old man, you know, and Chris has been through it, 575 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: been a couple of places and see it. But like 576 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: a DJ steps up and say what he says, you know, 577 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: even letting in my mind it's still you know, young, 578 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, in the business to hear him speak up 579 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: this morning, Charles spoke up. Charles a tight end from 580 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 1: last year. Uh just kind of yeah, you know, I mean, 581 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: Charles is just was just a rookie last year and 582 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: he spoke up this morning. You know. So. But again, 583 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: now let me see this to you. And again I 584 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: said I wouldn't, but I think those guys are. I 585 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: think those guys are open with open with they with 586 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: their thoughts and talking because there's two guys at the top, 587 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: the two leaders at the top is open that for him, 588 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: is open that for him, you know what I mean. 589 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: And and you know, it's just it's just the way 590 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: of the world, you know what I mean. I could, 591 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: like you said, we could do this show for two days. 592 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: I could give you some stories. I mean, I could 593 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: give you some stories, you know what I mean. But uh, 594 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's hard. But I think again, when 595 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: you got the two owners up front, the guy that 596 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: we that I'm on here with, Marcus has been phenomenal 597 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: in leading those guys. Marcus has been been fabulous communicating 598 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: with them. Uh, taking on their notes, taking down their ideals, 599 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: and then bringing them to the table and saying, hey, 600 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: speak up, you know, speak up, we got you, We're here, 601 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then every everything that's 602 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: been saying, everything has been saying, everything that we've done, 603 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: everything we've followed, every pattern that has been said, it's 604 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: been done to Marcus. And he's been at every march. 605 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: Every guy has seen it. And let me get you 606 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: another one. We started our meeting this morning. We get 607 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: on the computer this morning and Mr kle came on 608 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: there this morning and when Shot came on, he said, Marcus, Marcus, Marcus. 609 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: And everybody's like, well, come on, markets, say something, come on, 610 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: come on, say something, you know, But just for him 611 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: to say, okay, Marcus, go ahead, tell me what you 612 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: wanna do. Hey, Marcus, tell me shut up if you 613 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: want to. I mean, that gives cretis to Marcus, which 614 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: he didn't really need it because he's been doing it. 615 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: You know. I mean, you got you know, when you 616 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: got the owners, and when you got leaders. You know 617 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: what they say they you let me tell you what 618 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: they said in life. They said, some of the greatest 619 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: leaders in the world, the guys who wanted to follow 620 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: us to succeed, you know what I mean. And I 621 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: think that's the case here. You know, I think we 622 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: got leaders that everybody want everybody behind them to succeed 623 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: and to be a part of that success. Easy to 624 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: say that, but it sounds like the team has been 625 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: shown it absolutely, Josh. Let me let me add something 626 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: to Terry. Uh when we were talking about guys maturing 627 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: and us being a young football team. Uh, but when 628 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: I look at it DJ DJ chart two three four. 629 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: Maybe lean some of these guys are young football wives, 630 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: but twenty five years black and you don't need experience 631 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: it to to speak on on being black. Things that 632 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: these guys are talking about, Charles Jones two Hourly is 633 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: you've had enough experiences being black and what you would 634 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: like to see change and what things that you can 635 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: provide to help bring about that change. And so guys 636 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: that have been stepping up in the meetings not have 637 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: been all not just black guys, but guys in general, 638 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: no matter how many years in the league, They've been 639 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: on this earth long enough to know right from wrong. 640 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: And so when you talk about guys stepping up, has 641 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,919 Speaker 1: nothing to do with football about being black or been 642 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: been of an age where they know the difference between 643 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: right and wrong and got dog it. We're about trying 644 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: to do something about it. Guy. Like I said, it's 645 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: a conversation that we can probably have every week and 646 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: be fascinating and talk about a million different things. But uh, 647 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: I can't thank you both enough for taking the time 648 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: for sharing. Um. I guess I would ask you both 649 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: before we close. Is there anything that you guys feel 650 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: is important on this topic that we haven't covered today? 651 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: I and if there is, feel free to share. If not, 652 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: we can close it up. There. You gotta something, I 653 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: got something. If you don't go ahead, I'll think about it. 654 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: I okay. So so John, I feel this and I 655 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: don't fancy myself a politician, but your vote is your voice. 656 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: So I encourage everybody listening to this has nothing to 657 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 1: do what's going on. But to me, if you want 658 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: to see change, you have to put people in position 659 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: to help you make that change. They have to have 660 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: the same same thought process. You're the same kind of 661 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: mindset as you believe the same thing that you believe. 662 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: Otherwise your voice goals unheard. So I'm encouraging everybody everywhere 663 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: we are running this huge campaign within our own organization 664 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: to make certain that every player, every coach, every staff member, 665 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: everybody's registered to vote. And then we're gonna take that 666 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: and we're gonna branch out and go all across Jacksonville 667 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: and making that mantra about about voting because it is 668 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: so vital to change catch it. I got nothing to 669 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: follow up on that one. I can't follow that. That's 670 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: what Shoe and well. I felt as the world is 671 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 1: has changed since we were all together on the Rubber Hallway. 672 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: But uh again, both of you, I appreciate you digging 673 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: deep and not sharing some memories. I think I think 674 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: the listeners will enjoy it as well, and I think 675 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: people are gonna learn a lot from it. Terra, Viskey, 676 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: Mark Schollard. I can't think both of you enough and 677 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you said thank you, Jay. 678 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: I'll appreciate it. Dave, that was very interesting to me, 679 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of fans are probably a 680 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: little bit like us, and that I think they saw 681 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: Terry talking about it on the steps of the Sheriff's 682 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: office last week, and they've maybe seen some stories and 683 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: seen snippets of both Marcus and Terry talk about this issue. 684 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: Maybe not Marcus, but certainly Terry Um. But the reason 685 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to have them on was to spend thirty 686 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: five minutes or forty minutes talking to them a little 687 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: bit more in depth about what inspired them to say 688 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: the things they had said and to do the things 689 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: they had done last week. As I said at the top, 690 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: I've known Marcus since two thousand one. The first day 691 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: I was at the Cold he signed his second contract, 692 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: and I did the story on him signing a second contract. 693 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: He was always a guy in the locker room who 694 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: I would go talk to. I probably talked him a 695 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: hundred times over the years, but as we mentioned, never 696 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: talked about this because you just usually don't go there 697 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: because as soon as the topic comes up, there's a 698 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: little bit of a I call it the breath hole 699 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: where you kind of stuck your breath in and go, 700 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: all right, where's this going. Yeah, I've been friends with 701 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: Marcus for a long time, but you don't want to 702 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: go there because you just don't know what's gonna get set. 703 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: So that feels like where we're going with this, or 704 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 1: where the the conversation needs to go is maybe have 705 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: a little bit less of that a quick suck your 706 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: breath in tension when you're talking about these things. And 707 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: I hope that when people listen to what was said 708 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: for the last five minutes, maybe they get a little 709 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: bit of that too. Okay, there there are things here 710 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: that we can talk about and make progress with. And uh, 711 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what your big takeaway was from 712 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: what you heard from Terry and Marcus. Yeah, I kind 713 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: of agree with you as far as you know, the 714 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: last few weeks and all this craziness and all the 715 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: tragedy that's happened, maybe this is a positive by product. 716 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: Now it's making people feel like, not necessarily more comfortable 717 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: to talk about, but giving a place to talk about 718 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: it and and trying to get some sort of common 719 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: ground and see where other people are coming. And you know, 720 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: that's the one thing with like you were saying with Marcus, 721 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: Marcus kind of like I always kind of feel like 722 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: he's like the friend of everybody in the building and 723 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: he's kind of see him on the business side all 724 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: the time talk to people, and for have someone who 725 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: who's like that to be talking about issues like this, 726 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: it's almost makes it a little easier because he just 727 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: has that personality. UM. And my biggest takeaway is, UH 728 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: two is kind of everything Terry said about about Coach 729 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: Marone and and Marcus Echo that is is giving them 730 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: a platform and a sounding board. We're We're Doug Maron 731 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: just listened to them, and sometimes that's all you need 732 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: to do in these situations is listen, listen and be 733 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: willing to help them elevate their message and be a 734 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: part of it. And I think you know, when the 735 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: Jaguars did their march a few fridays ago, I was 736 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: there and uh, you know, I felt really proud of 737 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: the organization, proud to be a part of it. And 738 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: I'm glad to John that you suggested to to have 739 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: both these guys on the podcast to kind of continue 740 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: this momentum. And like Chris Connelly said, he said, don't 741 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: let this just be a moment, Let it be a movement. 742 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: And I think the Jaguars are doing everything that can 743 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: for it to be a movement um, and including with 744 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 1: Coach for bisky talking and uh and Marcus. So it's 745 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,879 Speaker 1: been a pretty uh emotional week and I think we're 746 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: we're starting to see things by products of all that 747 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: emotion come out to be in a to be more positive. 748 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: I hope that people listening to this can maybe get 749 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: a better understanding of the depth of conversation and how 750 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 1: the conversations played out. And I guess what I mean 751 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: by that is, I think most people when they consumed 752 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: the news on this about what the Jaguars have done, 753 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: the the two marches and some of the things being said, 754 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: they're reading a story, or they're seeing a two or 755 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: three minute sound bite from Doug Marone talking in front 756 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: of the Jaguar statue after the first march, or they're 757 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: seeing a Chris Conley's speech, which are all very impactful. 758 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: But I think in this five minutes that we spent 759 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: with Terry and Marcus, maybe people will get an idea 760 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: of the depth of conversation that took place during that time, 761 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: of how Doug reacted when these things first came up. 762 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I asked Marcus about twenty five minutes in, 763 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: tell me about how this first started. Did you think 764 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: it was going to play out this way where there 765 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: are some nerves when these things first started getting set 766 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: on zoom zoom calls. That's when Marcus said, Doug really 767 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: took the initiatives, stepping back and saying, look, it's okay 768 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: to talk about these things. We can step away from 769 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: football for a little bit. I want to hear it. 770 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you can fake that vibe that it 771 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: sounds like Doug gave out um And I think I 772 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: hope that's what people take away from this, as much 773 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: as that as anything, is how the Jaguars as a 774 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: group got to where they wanted to do what they did. 775 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: I'm calling the First Friday a couple of Fridays ago 776 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: with the First March. How those things came about. And 777 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: I guess the sincerity and the genuineness of everybody involved. 778 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: That's what I took away from what Terry and Marcus 779 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 1: were saying is you know, the players involved with this 780 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,840 Speaker 1: immediately felt from the organization. So did Terry Marcus. Look, 781 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: we really want to hear about this. We're not just 782 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: giving this lip service. We're not just doing this because 783 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 1: it's the thing to do. UM. So I think that 784 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,919 Speaker 1: was what if I learned anything, I think I got 785 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,839 Speaker 1: a bigger appreciation for that. So maybe fans did too. Yeah, 786 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: it's cool that these organizationally, it's come from the top 787 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: downs far as what the shot kN OpEd that came 788 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: out before that. It gave everybody the forum where it 789 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: was okay to talk about it. And I think, you know, 790 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot of good has come out of just people 791 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: opening up and listening and talking to each other. I 792 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: think too, you know, a by product of this, it 793 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: will probably unite this football team and a good small 794 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: start with a very big, big issue. And I'm proud 795 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: to work for the Jaguars and proud to have have 796 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: some small part of it. I can't say very much 797 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: about it. It's better than that, so we'll wrap it up. 798 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: I want to thank Joe Fortunado for making it sound good, 799 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 1: David Candice for making me look good or sound good. 800 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: Probably can't make me look good. Um, and that's it 801 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: for this week's Those Own podcast. I don't think this 802 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: one stuck at all. I think this one's good. Thank you,