Speaker 1: How to everybody. Welcome to the podcast. What is your
Speaker 1: greatest fear? I mean, the biggest fear of your life? Everybody.
Speaker 1: It seems like everybody's got one, and it's weird. It's
Speaker 1: almost like we're all wired to have our own tendency
Speaker 1: to be scared of something. Like some people will say snakes,
Speaker 1: and like if we're talking Indiana Jones, some people say snakes,
Speaker 1: some people say rats. Some people call spiders their biggest fear.
Speaker 1: Some people say it's heights. Some people say it's speed,
Speaker 1: going too fast? Is that's their biggest fear? Like they can't.
Speaker 1: Some people say the airplanes. Airplanes are their biggest fear.
Speaker 1: I know mine, and I want to talk about it
Speaker 1: on this podcast. I want to bring in our warehouse
Speaker 1: manager at EE Apparel and several time podcasts guest ex
Speaker 1: drummer of mine, Caleb Kelly. He is always has such
Speaker 1: a great perspective, so I want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I also want to dive into your questions, which you
Speaker 1: could ask me at Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: I hope everyone had a great holiday season. This is
Speaker 1: the last podcast of twenty twenty, and there's like a
Speaker 1: sigh of relief when I even say that, because twenty
Speaker 1: twenty has been such a crazy year for all of us.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about all of us as in
Speaker 1: ue apparel in my band. I'm talking about all of
Speaker 1: you too. This podcast is listened to by so many
Speaker 1: different countries and different cultures around the world. I get
Speaker 1: your emails, and it's wild that this year has affected
Speaker 1: all of us. Usually you would say something like this
Speaker 1: has affected this city, or this county, or this state,
Speaker 1: or sometimes this country. But this is rare that we
Speaker 1: could say that this has truly affected the world. It's
Speaker 1: not like a hurricane that affected a region. This has
Speaker 1: affected the world. And there's a sigh of relief thinking
Speaker 1: that we're going into a new year, a new calendar year,
Speaker 1: and I think it's so much on our shoulders to
Speaker 1: take on. What kind of perspective will we have going
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one? What will we take away from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty? What will we never take for granted again
Speaker 1: that we learned by having less of it or none
Speaker 1: of it in twenty twenty, like touring. What will we
Speaker 1: look forward to and say, you know what I learned
Speaker 1: that this is where I put my foot down this
Speaker 1: is where I say, no, I will not go any further.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a time where we say I've learned
Speaker 1: to bend. I've learned to I have an opinion on something,
Speaker 1: and now I've learned to put my opinion aside, put
Speaker 1: my ideology aside, and move in a different direction. So
Speaker 1: you got two different two completely different perspectives. People that
Speaker 1: know I will no longer bend, and people that maybe
Speaker 1: say I've learned how to bend. Where do you fall
Speaker 1: on this whole thing? I think no matter where you fall,
Speaker 1: I think we could all agree it's nice to at
Speaker 1: least turn the calendar year into twenty twenty one, get
Speaker 1: away from that twenty twenty stigma. Although we all know
Speaker 1: that just because the calendar changes doesn't mean the world's
Speaker 1: going to change or the pandemic is going to change it.
Speaker 1: It's a nice clean fresh start in our minds, and
Speaker 1: sometimes our minds is what leads to the full change
Speaker 1: or the full destination that we're heading for. All things
Speaker 1: to consider, and one thing to take in right now
Speaker 1: for me is that a lot of things happened for
Speaker 1: me in a positive way because of twenty twenty. The
Speaker 1: earl Devils truck restoration that happened only because of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: only because of me. Butch and Bull were off from
Speaker 1: touring and mom. Mom had this old barn with my
Speaker 1: old and dad's old truck in it. I go pick
Speaker 1: it up in a flatbed and take it here to
Speaker 1: the Yegee Farm to rebuild it. That a will happened
Speaker 1: because of twenty twenty. Of this podcast is now a
Speaker 1: weekly thing. I was maybe heading that direction, knowing that
Speaker 1: I probably should make it a weekly thing. But when
Speaker 1: twenty twenty hit and we stopped touring, I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: here it is. It's time to make the podcast an
Speaker 1: every Monday thing. So there are a lot of There
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that I'll look back on
Speaker 1: years from now ago that was because of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: There's bad things, of course, but there are thinks as
Speaker 1: years go by, we'll see more of the positive and
Speaker 1: we'll go it was twenty twenty that allowed that to happen,
Speaker 1: or opened the door for that to happen. What do
Speaker 1: you say about that? And how many things have you
Speaker 1: now realized that twenty twenty has opened the door for
Speaker 1: That's all stuff to think about. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this and I want to talk about what my
Speaker 1: greatest fear is. Welcome to the podcast episode sixty four.
Speaker 1: Ye ye did change in month time line by fool
Speaker 1: up and down during back crazy cool. Yeah thatation. So
Speaker 1: during the truck giveaway at ee Appearl, I remember at
Speaker 1: one point it was like really late at night, like
Speaker 1: twelve thirty at night, and the contestants were out their
Speaker 1: hands on the truck and they were just talking, talking, talking.
Speaker 1: I guess they were trying to think of things to
Speaker 1: keep their minds occupied. But there their conversation was what
Speaker 1: is your biggest fear? And so as I'm going by,
Speaker 1: I was actually taking a picture of them on the
Speaker 1: roof and they're like, Hey, what's your greatest fear? And
Speaker 1: the reality is I said deep water, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: my That is it? Like I don't feel great about
Speaker 1: being really really high, you know, like if I want to,
Speaker 1: if IM at the Grand Canyon, which I brought that
Speaker 1: up to, I could be at the Grand Canyon and
Speaker 1: I could be sitting on the edge and dangling my
Speaker 1: legs right, and I don't feel good about that. But
Speaker 1: that's nothing compared to how I feel about deep water
Speaker 1: and the way that I always and the way that
Speaker 1: I told them that day was, imagine you're you're in
Speaker 1: some really really deep channel with an unknown bottom, and
Speaker 1: there's a some kind of warship floating in the middle,
Speaker 1: tied up, and they say, we need you for a bet.
Speaker 1: Swim under the warship. The propellers are off, they're they're there,
Speaker 1: but they're not turned on, the engines off. But you
Speaker 1: need to swim all the way under the propellers, unknown
Speaker 1: what's in these waters, and come out the other side
Speaker 1: and be like, Nope, it could be a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not going in that water.
Speaker 1: Not my jam, deep dark water, No thanks. And then
Speaker 1: you remind me today of the story of us in California,
Speaker 1: a band trip we're on. I guess we were on
Speaker 1: tour if you call it that. We didn't have very
Speaker 1: many people that listened to our music back then, was
Speaker 1: about twenty eleven, Yeah, yeah, twenty eleven or twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: went out to LA and played well, we went to
Speaker 1: Steel Panther that was we played, but not many people
Speaker 1: came to see us. And we did do a specific
Speaker 1: trip to We're in like LA, and we decided to
Speaker 1: go and paddleboard. Was it La or San Diego or wherever?
Speaker 1: I think Pacific Beach. I'm gonna get it wrong. I'm
Speaker 1: not from there, but it was gorgeous and like a
Speaker 1: week before I forget who else for the name was,
Speaker 1: but he said that there was a great white shirt
Speaker 1: siding at that. Seal Rock is what they called it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, seal Rock. Do you know seal Rock? If
Speaker 1: you're listening, you know seal Rock. So, seal Rock is
Speaker 1: a is a famous place on the beach, and we
Speaker 1: decided it's a good idea to paddle board out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and what we said it was an idea. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't decided it was a good idea, right, We decided
Speaker 1: it was an idea to paddle board because other people
Speaker 1: were doing it, not a lot, but there was like
Speaker 1: maybe one other guy out there doing it. Johnny had
Speaker 1: gone out before us too, Yeah, bass player Johnny had
Speaker 1: done it and the guy that was we were. We
Speaker 1: couldn't afford hotels back then, especially in La. So we
Speaker 1: were crashing at one of Tyler's high school buddies apartment
Speaker 1: and he had paddle boards and you could literally take
Speaker 1: your paddle board and walk from there to the water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was awesome. So we're like, cool, we've got the
Speaker 1: afternoon to kill. Let's go out there and we'll paddle about.
Speaker 1: How hard can it be? You stand on this board
Speaker 1: if you've never done this before, it's a massive board.
Speaker 1: It's bigger than a surfboard. It's massive, super what could
Speaker 1: go wrong? You stand on a massive board, You paddle
Speaker 1: yourself around and you it's got rubber on the bottom
Speaker 1: so you're not going to slip off, and you get
Speaker 1: to see the sights and you get to enjoy a
Speaker 1: nice day at the beach. You know, the water's cold,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to swim in the water. You're
Speaker 1: on top of it. Sounds nice, sounds super easy, sounds easy,
Speaker 1: self explanatory. So we go at the seal rock wrong
Speaker 1: and this is how far from the shore? Like I
Speaker 1: was probably only yards from memory, that's what it fired.
Speaker 1: Six hundred yards Yeah, I guess that's about right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we had to get through five football fields. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to get it. You can see it from
Speaker 1: from the coast. And was like, oh, yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: pretty cool. There's been a great white out there. Paddleboard
Speaker 1: out to it. I was, I was. I was a
Speaker 1: little shocked at how hard it is to even just
Speaker 1: get out to where you can just stand out and
Speaker 1: paddle board. And the water is crystal clear, which is
Speaker 1: bad because you could see straight down an infinite amount
Speaker 1: of feet down. I mean it's probably it's probably like
Speaker 1: one hundred feet, but it seems like it could be
Speaker 1: a thousand and you wouldn't know the difference. All deep
Speaker 1: dark water to me is a thousand feet. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of ugly creatures in there, and there
Speaker 1: is to help build the scene. There's this kale is
Speaker 1: that what it is called kelp is like a kelp
Speaker 1: for it cannot kale kale for kelp, it's kelp, that's right.
Speaker 1: And and there's it's like a kelp forest. So these
Speaker 1: long they're like underwater trees, but they don't come out
Speaker 1: of the bottom. They come out of the surface, and
Speaker 1: they do grow down right. I didn't know that at all.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that's a I don't think they grow
Speaker 1: from the bottom. They grow from the top down. And
Speaker 1: they are twenty feet long, and there's just it's a
Speaker 1: forest of them. So as you're paddleboarding over them, you
Speaker 1: look and you just see these It's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean you're in crystal clear blue water and you're
Speaker 1: looking down at these green, upside down trees growing down
Speaker 1: into an infinite depth. So it's beautiful, but terrifying, Absolutely terrifying,
Speaker 1: especially knowing there's seals that you could see active seals
Speaker 1: swimming around. They're jumping on these big volcanic rocks. And
Speaker 1: with seals, there's great white sharks. Yeah. So it's this
Speaker 1: big rock that has a bunch of seals on it,
Speaker 1: that has a kelp forest around it. It's like and
Speaker 1: we decide to go paddle board out to it, which
Speaker 1: was god awful idea. And you don't don't really realize
Speaker 1: any of this until you're out there because from the
Speaker 1: sand you're looking out you're like, dude, you want to
Speaker 1: do you guys want to go up there? Yeah? Hey,
Speaker 1: well so and so has some paddle boards. We could
Speaker 1: just literally does it cost anything, No, it's free. You
Speaker 1: just go grab just walk out there and just go cool.
Speaker 1: Does it take any kind of experience? No, you just
Speaker 1: literally stand on the board and paddle. Yeah. Skipping the
Speaker 1: part where you like, you know, everybody's seen like Baywatch
Speaker 1: or whatever where you you grab the board. This mountain
Speaker 1: man had no idea how to do it. You know.
Speaker 1: You grab the board and you're like, I've seen it,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen Uh was a point break, you know,
Speaker 1: where you put the board down, you paddle out, and
Speaker 1: then when the wave comes to crest over you, you
Speaker 1: just kind of hold onto the board and you push
Speaker 1: down and you go through the wave and then you
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Yeah, I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: Did that work out for you? No? I didn't. I
Speaker 1: put my mind out quickly. I was terrible. So I
Speaker 1: put my hands down on the board and I was like, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that thing where you just kind of
Speaker 1: punched through the water and I hit the wave, the
Speaker 1: wave hit the board, the board hit my face, and
Speaker 1: then I kind of rolled around, eventually making it through
Speaker 1: the wave. But it was not It was not like
Speaker 1: the movies. No, I remember you being pretty good. You're
Speaker 1: just kind of naturally good at that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I was bad, and you don't. It's one of these things,
Speaker 1: like I said, you don't realize it till you're in.
Speaker 1: You're four hundred yards from the shore and you're in
Speaker 1: kelp forest with an infinite depth, and you realize, man,
Speaker 1: this is kind of scary, and I'm kind of getting tired.
Speaker 1: Which is the problem is when you start getting tired,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the problem with most things in life.
Speaker 1: When you start getting tired and fatigued, you lose your
Speaker 1: sense of space and balance and perception. And I'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and I'll jump to the punchline just to say
Speaker 1: we did not see a shark that day. No, I
Speaker 1: don't want to lead this story like we're going into
Speaker 1: I'm about to see a shark bite my foot. We
Speaker 1: didn't see one, not that we saw. I think he
Speaker 1: was there. Not to say that one didn't see us,
Speaker 1: I think right what you're saying, but his evil spirit.
Speaker 1: What did happen was I got tired and at some
Speaker 1: level when we thought we should probably start heading back,
Speaker 1: I fell off. And that is not the place you
Speaker 1: want to imagine your two little legs kicking on the
Speaker 1: side of a massive plastic white board a beacon for
Speaker 1: a dinner bell. You already look like prey. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were like thirty yards from the seal Rock and that's
Speaker 1: where you fell off into the Kelp forest. By seal
Speaker 1: Rock that has seals on it into the water. I
Speaker 1: fell off For a split second. I was like, he's gone. Bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: told me that he's gone. He was a good guy. Well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't move really fast or I'd fall off and
Speaker 1: join you, and I did not want to join you.
Speaker 1: I don't remember there's two or three of us, Tyler,
Speaker 1: I think was with us. I thought it was just
Speaker 1: me and you. Yeah, it was just me and you.
Speaker 1: Well that's my memory is at that point, it was
Speaker 1: just me. So we were gone. Bro. You didn't make
Speaker 1: an effort to jump off. And it wasn't like I
Speaker 1: was having trouble in the water. It was the fact
Speaker 1: that I was in the water that you just don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the water in the cup forest
Speaker 1: by seal Rock. And it was sheer panic in my
Speaker 1: eyes because I just thought, here here goes. You know
Speaker 1: that any minute, mister great white Jaws is going to
Speaker 1: take my legs and that's going to be the end,
Speaker 1: and I will have officially died inside my deepest fear.
Speaker 1: I mean, the seals are getting taken out. Seals are
Speaker 1: bigger than me, yeah, and they have little legs and
Speaker 1: little faces like me. I'm not that different than the seal.
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't have as much blubber, but man,
Speaker 1: I was watching you. The seals were watching you. Shark
Speaker 1: was probably watching you. I remember sitting still like he's gone, bro,
Speaker 1: just there's nothing you can do about it, and you
Speaker 1: can't popping out of that water like a wet cat.
Speaker 1: I made it back out, and here I think I
Speaker 1: fell again. I made it back onto the todder board,
Speaker 1: and I think on the way back in I fell
Speaker 1: two or three more times. We had passed, we had
Speaker 1: passed the Kelp Forest by then. I remember, right after
Speaker 1: you first got on your board, after you fell the
Speaker 1: first time, both of us kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: like guys like, I mean, we can go in if
Speaker 1: you want to go in, I'm in, yeah, And then
Speaker 1: we headed in, both realizing that it was really stupid idea.
Speaker 1: So I take I take questions on this podcast granger
Speaker 1: Smith Podcast at gmail dot com. Email me right now.
Speaker 1: If you're listening and you're thinking you have a fear
Speaker 1: that we that Caleb and I should talk about, and
Speaker 1: make sure in the subject line you put my greatest fear.
Speaker 1: Put my greatest fear and email it to Grangersmith Podcast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and then I'll make sure Caleb
Speaker 1: you come back, because you are one of the guys
Speaker 1: that has probably less fear of any other human I've
Speaker 1: ever met, probably the least you have the least amount
Speaker 1: of things that scare you. Yeah, as you say, thank you,
Speaker 1: but thank you. So this would be this would be
Speaker 1: a good subject for a future podcast as I could
Speaker 1: go through some of your greatest greatest fears and read
Speaker 1: them aloud off the cuff, and we could just go
Speaker 1: down the list and we could say yep, yep, yep, validated, validated.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, and that good be
Speaker 1: a episode now that you know mine, what is yours? Uh?
Speaker 1: Deep dark Water and Neil Diamond music right there, both
Speaker 1: equally terrifying. You remember that movie Saving Silverman? Yes, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately it was a really good movie, and that that
Speaker 1: was the one where what was it saying that they're like,
Speaker 1: I hate Neil Diamond. He goes, yeah, well he's our
Speaker 1: hero and he's an America songwriter. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: good movie. Still still Neil's not getting off the hook.
Speaker 1: Terrible music. Yeah, that was a funny movie. That was
Speaker 1: one of the old movies we watched the Van he
Speaker 1: okay when he gets on the vand when he gets
Speaker 1: in there and he's like, this is a mission of love.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a funny movie up until
Speaker 1: that point. I was like, see Neil Roon as he does.
Speaker 1: Everyone could relate to Saving Silverman because you've either been
Speaker 1: in a relationship like that with an absolute crazy person,
Speaker 1: or you've definitely been involved in a friend sir, where
Speaker 1: one of the friends is in that relationship and all
Speaker 1: the guys are or maybe girls. I can't speak for
Speaker 1: the girls, but all the guys are conspiring on how
Speaker 1: to break them up to get their friend back. We've
Speaker 1: all been in one of those two situations. Everybody's known
Speaker 1: a Yoko Yeah right yeah. Unfortunate for the Beatles. So
Speaker 1: let's take a break and then let's answer some of
Speaker 1: the questions. We don't have the scared questions yet, but
Speaker 1: remember to email about your greatest fear. We're going to
Speaker 1: take a break, do a sponsor break, and then me
Speaker 1: and You're going to answer some questions that people have
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Speaker 1: You've been on three episodes now and now this is
Speaker 1: the first time you're actually going to answer some questions
Speaker 1: right down. For that, I'm gonna start with I've divided
Speaker 1: these into light and heavies. I've also I've started I've
Speaker 1: getten so many questions from people. Again, it's Grangersmith podcast
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. I've gotten so many questions that
Speaker 1: I've started dividing it into light heavy God Brothers, Amber
Speaker 1: seemed to be greatest fear. All these different folders categories.
Speaker 1: I have an other folder, okay, but this is out
Speaker 1: of my light folder. I'll start with the oldest one,
Speaker 1: which comes back in September. It's from Patrick, and Patrick's
Speaker 1: from Harrison, Ohio. He says, would you ever be interested
Speaker 1: in writing a book about your career, family, faith, grief,
Speaker 1: et cetera. I feel like you're very knowledgeable and could
Speaker 1: provide so much insight to these topics. You're my inspiration
Speaker 1: to maybe become a better father, husband, man of God.
Speaker 1: Hope to see you in Cincinnati in October or after
Speaker 1: the world gets back to normal. Ye gee, Patrick, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Bro I'm so sorry we didn't make it to Cincinnati
Speaker 1: in October. Obviously, it's the the problem with reading some
Speaker 1: of these questions that are old. I'll get a lot
Speaker 1: of these questions. It's interesting, though, Patrick, that you asked
Speaker 1: this question because I had a call today at two
Speaker 1: pm with our book an agency and with their book department,
Speaker 1: and they actually canceled. They canceled. This is the second
Speaker 1: time they've canceled. I'm not too happy about it. In fact,
Speaker 1: you want going to read, You're gonna read to everyone
Speaker 1: right now. Her response, this is the book, lady. They
Speaker 1: canceled the book. Yeah, she said, it's all all caps.
Speaker 1: It's all on me. I'm truly sorry, Granger. My nanny
Speaker 1: belled on me today. I'm looking forward to talking to
Speaker 1: you about this book, but don't want to give you
Speaker 1: anything but one hundred percent of my focus. That's just
Speaker 1: how I roll, and you deserve better. It won't happen again,
Speaker 1: Scouts on her. So anyway, I thought it sounds sounds
Speaker 1: she sounds nice call. The call about the book is canceled.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to say that for the sake of
Speaker 1: answering this question. That to say that I'm actually in
Speaker 1: the process of putting a book together, I don't and
Speaker 1: what that call is going to be about is going
Speaker 1: to be about what's the book going to be about? That?
Speaker 1: That's really like, that's what this lady specializes in, is
Speaker 1: getting someone's brain and all the scattered pieces and going okay,
Speaker 1: let's focus on that subject, like is it going to
Speaker 1: be about music or is it going to be about
Speaker 1: touring band? Is it going to be about grief and loss?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be about I don't know. Second
Speaker 1: record producer does with an artist in the studio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: almost exactly that, taking all those thoughts and just say okay,
Speaker 1: here's what we're going to focus on. So to answer
Speaker 1: your question, Patrick, yes, I'm going to get on that.
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking it, And I don't know when
Speaker 1: I'll be able to announce anything else about it. Besides,
Speaker 1: that's all I know is wait on a phone call.
Speaker 1: Let's go to another out of light category here. This
Speaker 1: question crumbs from Scott. It says sorry, these are uncensored.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it says I'm too poor to afford a cameo.
Speaker 1: I come from a poor farming family, so I'm not
Speaker 1: getting anything for my birthday. But could you possibly think
Speaker 1: about wishing me happy sixteenth birthday? I understand if you can't, Buddy,
Speaker 1: happy sixteenth birthday. Consider this absolutely free shout out. This
Speaker 1: podcast is free, so I appreciate you reaching out. Sixteen
Speaker 1: is a big one. And yeah, we're a little bit
Speaker 1: late because this question came in September, but Scott, I
Speaker 1: hope you're still listening. Me and Caleb both want to
Speaker 1: say happy birthday, buddy. Unless it was a misspelling and
Speaker 1: you want cauldn't afford a camaro? Yeah, maybe cameo. Cameo
Speaker 1: is a is a website that I could do like
Speaker 1: a birthday shout out. That's what he's talking about. You
Speaker 1: could buy a video, a personalized video from me that
Speaker 1: then you could give to a friend or you get
Speaker 1: it for yourself. So it's either that or camaro. I
Speaker 1: can't ord a camaro either. Yeah, I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna buy him a Camaro for a s let's see. Oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. I got excited because his name's Denver,
Speaker 1: but I thought it might relate to you, k because
Speaker 1: you're from Colorado. But this question comes from Denver Massy.
Speaker 1: He says, Hey, I'm Denver Massey. I'm from horn Lake, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Mississippi. I messaged you on cameo. It's
Speaker 1: either that or camaro. That says, how long did it
Speaker 1: take for you to quit any other jobs you were
Speaker 1: doing just to gig full time? When did you know
Speaker 1: it was time for that leap? And when are you
Speaker 1: gonna let me open a show for you? I hope
Speaker 1: all is well with you and your family. Man, So
Speaker 1: it sounds like Denver is a musician. Shout out to you, buddy,
Speaker 1: and you Caleb. This is perfect right up your alley
Speaker 1: as a fellow musician here, what what would you say
Speaker 1: to Denver? His question is, when you're working a job
Speaker 1: to pay the bills, when do you know what you
Speaker 1: could take that leap into full time gigging. That's tough one.
Speaker 1: I mean that's tough because when I started touring with you,
Speaker 1: I was still working a job as well, but this
Speaker 1: was back in the day. But I would work Monday,
Speaker 1: Tuesday and Wednesday and leave like Wednesday night with you guys,
Speaker 1: get home Sunday morning, go back to work Monday, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and Wednesday. Yeah. So I think the way to answer
Speaker 1: that question, Denver, it's pretty civil. Sounds complicated, but it's
Speaker 1: pretty simple. When you're paid gigs start interfering with your
Speaker 1: work gigs your day job, and your boss can no
Speaker 1: longer be flexible because you're missing so much, that's when
Speaker 1: you know it's time to make the leap. And you
Speaker 1: don't do it anytime before then, you don't, I think
Speaker 1: it's I would be ill advised for me to tell
Speaker 1: you to quit your day job and jump into a
Speaker 1: music gig that doesn't exist yet for the sake of
Speaker 1: having more time to write and craft. Right, So, you
Speaker 1: might be thinking I don't have any time because I
Speaker 1: work so much on having time to write music or
Speaker 1: to work on my band. But you do. I mean
Speaker 1: you just you cut out some Instagram time, cut out
Speaker 1: some Facebook time, cut out some Netflix time. You could
Speaker 1: always find ways in your day to carve out Okay,
Speaker 1: I got home from work. I just worked eight hours
Speaker 1: at work. I just want to rest. Okay, you got
Speaker 1: to make that sacrifice that and add a little discipline
Speaker 1: to your day and said, now I musta been an
Speaker 1: hour working on guitar or writing a song or practicing
Speaker 1: with my band in the garage tonight from nine pm
Speaker 1: to eleven pm. I would not advise leaving work until
Speaker 1: you've got the bills paid with your paid gig, and
Speaker 1: even then when you absolutely have to call the boss
Speaker 1: one more time to get off to go travel and
Speaker 1: he says, hey, man, I'm gonna have to let you
Speaker 1: go if you keep doing these gigs, then you go. Okay,
Speaker 1: now decision will be made. Right. That was cool. That
Speaker 1: was cool when it happened because initially, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was having to work. I only had Sunday afternoons
Speaker 1: off in between us touring and then me doing electrical work,
Speaker 1: and then eventually, eventually all I was doing was playing drums,
Speaker 1: which was the coolest thing in the world. But yeah,
Speaker 1: did it until I could just get playing music? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Would you say say yes to everything? It takes it now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean there's nothing wrong with working that working that
Speaker 1: job and working on your your gig. Every musician in
Speaker 1: the world pretty much has done that. And if it
Speaker 1: means that much to you, you'll stay up late. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right right, You'll stay up late. Yeah, you'll You'll
Speaker 1: carve out that Instagram time. It's crazy, and I've talked
Speaker 1: about this before on this podcast, but it's crazy what
Speaker 1: you could find out about yourself if you time block
Speaker 1: right down your day, like, say, okay, for these next
Speaker 1: three days, I'm going to log everything I do. Okay, eight,
Speaker 1: I got up at seven, and from seven to eight,
Speaker 1: I'm mid coffee, brushed my teeth, you know, got dressed,
Speaker 1: took a shower or whatever, and then from nine to ten.
Speaker 1: If you just seriously write that all down, and then
Speaker 1: you'll be shocked when you go back and read that
Speaker 1: and go dude, I spend three hours and forty five
Speaker 1: minutes average daily just on Facebook you know, there's your
Speaker 1: rehearsal time, there's your songwriting time. Yeah, you know, seven
Speaker 1: hours in the bathroom. That's embarrassing. Yeah, seven hours in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, an hour every day, catching up on Grangersmith's podcast.
Speaker 1: What that is great to keep doing? Keep doing that? Well,
Speaker 1: go another light here and then we'll switch to heavy deal. Uh.
Speaker 1: This is from Tony once again. I'm kind of catching
Speaker 1: up here on emails. This is from September, but it
Speaker 1: says he's from Chico, California. Love that town, Love our
Speaker 1: fans in Chico. What's up? And this is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a long one, so I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to find out what are you saying here? Said,
Speaker 1: I have the pleasure of meeting you during a meet
Speaker 1: and greet on December seventh, twenty nineteen, in Chico, California,
Speaker 1: at the Senator Theater. It was great, and I had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of giving you a Christmas ornament. It's funny
Speaker 1: that we're reading this now in December. We're a year
Speaker 1: removed from a very different twenty nineteen. He says, you're
Speaker 1: my favorite artist, more than King George, more than garth Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you, dude. He said, I'm a big fan and
Speaker 1: I'm hooked on the podcast. That's so cool, he said,
Speaker 1: leading into my question. I have so many he says.
Speaker 1: I know your music is growing more mature. It seems
Speaker 1: like a natural progression while many artists are still recording
Speaker 1: the same kind of message material year after year. Actual
Speaker 1: question here, it says Grander, looking back on your catalog
Speaker 1: and the songs over the years, are there songs that
Speaker 1: you now rethink maybe a message or a thought that
Speaker 1: was good at the time, but maybe not right for
Speaker 1: me now? If so, can you share your thoughts. I
Speaker 1: think that's a tough one. I mean, nothing's gonna I
Speaker 1: mean a song that you wrote in the past, is
Speaker 1: it applicable to you right now. You've been playing my catalog,
Speaker 1: You've played almost everything in my catalog going back to
Speaker 1: two thousand and four five. And it's a good question.
Speaker 1: It's a legit question because you would think I wrote
Speaker 1: a song about a girl I was dating for say
Speaker 1: per se, and now I've long since broke up with
Speaker 1: that girl and I'm now married with children. Why would
Speaker 1: I ever sing a song about that old girl that
Speaker 1: was not a good girl. And so that's probably what
Speaker 1: he's thinking, I see what you're saying. Or I don't
Speaker 1: want to sing about me and my buddies in college,
Speaker 1: you know, with bonfires and trucks, because I don't do
Speaker 1: that every day anymore. Maybe they's thinking that something like that,
Speaker 1: And I think it's a good question. But I am.
Speaker 1: Every year that goes by, every year I get removed
Speaker 1: from an album, an old album, I get less critical
Speaker 1: of it, which is weird. When our album first comes
Speaker 1: out and the year that follows, that's when I'm the
Speaker 1: most critical about those lyrics and that melody and that
Speaker 1: music and those songs, and I think, oh, I could
Speaker 1: have done that better, or I wish I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: said it that way, or but when ten years go by,
Speaker 1: it becomes like an antique, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: enjoy the scars and the scratches and the dings and
Speaker 1: the wobbling ness of it. You know, it's antique. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. It's supposed to be have its flaws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a yearbook, you know. So it's fun. I'll
Speaker 1: sing those songs as long as people are excited about
Speaker 1: them at the live show, and I don't I've said
Speaker 1: this before I don't have much interest into playing music
Speaker 1: at my shows just for the sake of me loving
Speaker 1: that music. I like to play it if other people
Speaker 1: love it, because then in turn, that makes me feel
Speaker 1: better about playing it. Yeah, and aren't they like, once
Speaker 1: you write that song and release that song, it only
Speaker 1: partially belongs to you. Those are now someone else's first kiss, dude,
Speaker 1: last kiss. That's great, you know, like that's only partially yours,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of your duty to give them that
Speaker 1: nostalgia that is associated with that song. That's great. We
Speaker 1: mean you have had that discussion in the van, like
Speaker 1: late night drives in the van, and we've had these
Speaker 1: these long drawn out discussions on why do you make
Speaker 1: music or why do you perform music? And who does
Speaker 1: that music belong to? Because you're right, at some level,
Speaker 1: when I write we'll say, we'll say Earld it was Junior.
Speaker 1: We'll just say America. When I write America, that's not
Speaker 1: mine anymore once it releases, because there's people that like
Speaker 1: that's the that's their bumping song, or you take a
Speaker 1: love song like happens like that. I can't I can't
Speaker 1: look at somebody that literally got married and that was
Speaker 1: their first dance. I can't look at them and go,
Speaker 1: that's not your song, that's my song. It's my song. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I have to assume their their partial ownership in
Speaker 1: everything once it's released to the world, and I it's
Speaker 1: not me speaking because I feel I feel an ownership
Speaker 1: to some of George Strait songs and some of all
Speaker 1: the music that I love. I feel partial ownership, like
Speaker 1: that's mine. That's why people say that's our song. A couple,
Speaker 1: that's our song. No one pulls out a you know,
Speaker 1: a lawyer's agreement and goes, where does it say you
Speaker 1: own this song? That's my jam. Yeah, that's my jam.
Speaker 1: They don't say that's his jam that I that I
Speaker 1: listened to, that's his jam. He wrote. The term is
Speaker 1: that's my jam. That's our song. Everybody's been to a
Speaker 1: concert where they either didn't play that song or they
Speaker 1: didn't play that song, but then they came back and
Speaker 1: played on played it on the encore and you're like, ah, man,
Speaker 1: if they didn't play that song, I was gonna be
Speaker 1: really upset because that's your memories. It's closely a sign,
Speaker 1: closely assigned to you, like something you did or someone
Speaker 1: you were with. Yeah. So to say that an old
Speaker 1: song of mine that I might not, I might not
Speaker 1: experience that life moment anymore, or it might be embarrassed
Speaker 1: of it for any reason. To say that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pull it out of my catalog forever is to say
Speaker 1: that no one else because I can't relate to it anymore,
Speaker 1: no one else can either. And that's not that's not
Speaker 1: a way to approach it. I'm not saying that every
Speaker 1: artist doesn't do that, because there's probably a lot of
Speaker 1: artists that do that that say Nope, ain't never played
Speaker 1: that song again, not that I like, it's pretty selfish.
Speaker 1: I heard, for instance, I heard, you know Corey Morrow,
Speaker 1: who's a Texas, Texas country sing Corey Morrow is known
Speaker 1: regionally in the state of Texas, and I've known him
Speaker 1: for twenty years. He had a come to Jesus experience
Speaker 1: in his life where he suddenly became Corey Morrow the
Speaker 1: evangelist really, and what that did was suddenly he didn't
Speaker 1: want to play certain songs, like he has a song
Speaker 1: called big City Stripper. He will and it was like
Speaker 1: one of his most popular songs. He will not play
Speaker 1: big City Stripper. This is our merch guy Matt used
Speaker 1: to work for him. This is where I heard the
Speaker 1: story from. So Matt told me just the other day.
Speaker 1: It's like Corey will not play it and people get mad.
Speaker 1: I'm not advocating for it or against it in this scenario.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a scenario of a time when
Speaker 1: an artist goes, I'm never playing that song again. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: So it's a great question. Although that's that's slightly different.
Speaker 1: Well no, it's not different, but like he can't be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm married, I met my wife. Our first dance to
Speaker 1: that song makes me think of my wife. Well, here's
Speaker 1: a question from Bobby, and it says see where he's from.
Speaker 1: I don't think it says that. It says, hey, Grander,
Speaker 1: did you ever have any other album titles for Remington?
Speaker 1: If so, what were they and how did you decide
Speaker 1: on Remington from the start your album Remington is how
Speaker 1: I found you, and Remington just happens to be a
Speaker 1: significant part of my family tree. Thank you, Bobby, Appreciate you, Bobby,
Speaker 1: Thanks for the question. I could probably say that there's
Speaker 1: some albums that I went back and forth on a
Speaker 1: title for Remington is one of the ones that I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure, and this was in I think Remington was
Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen, and I'm almost positive that Remington was
Speaker 1: a title that I wanted for the album before I
Speaker 1: even wrote that song. And sometimes it just happens sometimes
Speaker 1: I go, Man, what if this album was called Remington.
Speaker 1: It's just like a solid American name, And then I
Speaker 1: could base the theme of the album around that title,
Speaker 1: and so then obviously I had to write the song.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, but I'm thinking that was a reverse process.
Speaker 1: I wrote, I had the album title, and then I
Speaker 1: wrote the song, and then the album was named after
Speaker 1: the song, which was actually a title, So it's all backwards.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to know why you're saying, Bobby that Remington
Speaker 1: is a significant part of your family treat It's interesting,
Speaker 1: but I think I answered the best they could. Here
Speaker 1: we go. This is this question is from Colton and says, Hey, Grangeer,
Speaker 1: how do I deal with anxiety and depression? That's all
Speaker 1: it says, one sentence, Hey Grangeer, how do I deal
Speaker 1: with anxiety and depression? And I will say this is
Speaker 1: one of the most and types of emails I get
Speaker 1: a lot of people. It's because we're human and no
Speaker 1: one is immune to this. It doesn't No amount of
Speaker 1: money makes you immune to it. There's no secret. All
Speaker 1: humans fall into this category. You have extremely poor people
Speaker 1: that fall into this category. You have extremely wealthy people
Speaker 1: that fall into this category. You have people that are
Speaker 1: single and looking for love or friendship that fall into
Speaker 1: this category. Then you have people that are happily married
Speaker 1: with tons of friends that fall into this category. You
Speaker 1: have everybody in between. So, Caleb, how do I answer this?
Speaker 1: For so many people? You know me well enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't just bring Caleb in here
Speaker 1: because he's some dude in the warehouse. Like you know,
Speaker 1: we've had moments. We both have had high moments together,
Speaker 1: and then me and you have had the lowest of moments.
Speaker 1: I've seen you at your lowest, and you've seen me
Speaker 1: at my lowest. I've seen you there multiple times, and
Speaker 1: you've seen me there multiple times. I've also seen you
Speaker 1: at your highest moments, and you've seen me at my highest.
Speaker 1: So that's why you're on this podcast to help me
Speaker 1: with I'm not just I wouldn't just go to a
Speaker 1: random person and say help me answer this question. So
Speaker 1: how do you say? How do you deal with this. Well,
Speaker 1: I was just talking to someone the other day kind
Speaker 1: of about this situation. I still deal with those two
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression, and sometimes I can say it like that, Well,
Speaker 1: there's this old saying, if you live with one foot
Speaker 1: in yesterday and one foot in tomorrow, you're pissing on today,
Speaker 1: meaning you're not really focusing on what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: And look so good. That is so good man, looking
Speaker 1: at this comment. You can take not because they could
Speaker 1: both be in different areas. But like, let's say, anxiety
Speaker 1: and depression. Sometimes depression can be associated with your past,
Speaker 1: and anxiety is associated with your future. So that goes
Speaker 1: back to the whole living and yesterday and tomorrow and
Speaker 1: pissing on today. Is that if you were living, if
Speaker 1: you can remind yourself that I am here right now,
Speaker 1: I'm here right now sitting next to grange Er doing
Speaker 1: a podcast, that helps me kind of be more present,
Speaker 1: and then I'm not focused on what happened in the
Speaker 1: past and I'm not focused on the anxiety of the future.
Speaker 1: So not living in your head helps me, you know,
Speaker 1: because you can get depressed about what you couldn't change
Speaker 1: about the past, and you can get anxious about the
Speaker 1: fears that you have about the future, but you're not
Speaker 1: living in today. And we talked about it once before.
Speaker 1: It could always get worse. You think it can, but
Speaker 1: it can. So trying trying to live in the moment
Speaker 1: as much as you possibly can helps you not focus
Speaker 1: on the past or the future. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: like I know exactly I'll do it. I'm just saying, no,
Speaker 1: that's the same. That's the same place I was going
Speaker 1: to go with this answer is because your question is
Speaker 1: how do I deal? You didn't say how do I
Speaker 1: fix it? Or how do I avoid it? You said
Speaker 1: how do I deal? And that's the correct way to
Speaker 1: ask it, because there is no fix and there is
Speaker 1: no avoiding it. So you deal with it by pulling
Speaker 1: yourself into the moment and sometimes the present moment. Say
Speaker 1: you're driving a car. Sometimes the present moment is what
Speaker 1: are my hands doing on the steering wheel? Okay, I've
Speaker 1: got I got my hands right here, then gripping What
Speaker 1: does that steering wheel feel like? It's that fine of
Speaker 1: a moment, like what is this What does it feel
Speaker 1: like to be sitting in this seat? Like how do
Speaker 1: I feel the seat of this vehicle under me, that
Speaker 1: finite and and when my world has closed in so
Speaker 1: much that I'm overwhelmed with that kind of anxiety, then
Speaker 1: the one thing to pull me out. If I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna if I'm not going to get spiritual in this conversation,
Speaker 1: the one thing to pull me out is to be
Speaker 1: in the moment which to straddle this. This spiritual God
Speaker 1: is always in the present. And there's many times in
Speaker 1: the Bible where God, God talks about I am before
Speaker 1: Abraham was I am. Everything about God and Christ is present.
Speaker 1: It's here and now, and it's forever. It always was
Speaker 1: and it always will be, and it always is. But
Speaker 1: it's always present, moment present. That's when you see in
Speaker 1: Easter everyone puts their signs in their yard that says
Speaker 1: he is risen. And if you think about that for
Speaker 1: a long time, you're like, that doesn't that sentence didn't
Speaker 1: even make any sense. It wasn't it. He was risen,
Speaker 1: He has risen, he will rise, but he is risen.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make English sense, But it's it's because
Speaker 1: it's currently happening. He is. He is risen. And if
Speaker 1: all else fails to way to find God is now
Speaker 1: in this moment, not tonight or tomorrow or Sunday morning
Speaker 1: at church, or or regretting something you did in the past,
Speaker 1: or remembering something that was good that is no longer.
Speaker 1: It's right now and it's as present is. Like you said,
Speaker 1: we're on this podcast, I'm nowhere else in this world
Speaker 1: right now. I got all these things apparently going on,
Speaker 1: like I'm family and Christmas is coming up, and where
Speaker 1: are we going to go visit? Are we gonna go
Speaker 1: see mom? And what's going on in Gee apparel? Right now?
Speaker 1: What work is Caleb missing that I took him out
Speaker 1: of so he could be None. None of that matters
Speaker 1: except for where we are talking in this bus to
Speaker 1: this camera. This is this is our lives and this
Speaker 1: is this is where we are. So Colton, wherever you are,
Speaker 1: stop for a minute. Breathe feel that literally the breath
Speaker 1: in your nostrils and out of your mouth. That's where
Speaker 1: you are, and there is peace in that present moment.
Speaker 1: There is a lack of anxiety. Cannot live anxiety and
Speaker 1: depression cannot live in your current breath. I agree. And
Speaker 1: if you have one foot in yesterday and one foot
Speaker 1: and tomorrow, you're pissing on the day. I like that,
Speaker 1: such a good endagery. I love that we got time
Speaker 1: for one more you call that. Oh yeah. This question
Speaker 1: is from Dawson and it says, Hey, Grangeera, I've been
Speaker 1: a longtime fan of yours and my girlfriend and I
Speaker 1: really like your music, especially three songs in particular when
Speaker 1: the good guys win. That's why I love Dirt Roads,
Speaker 1: and they were there. I was wondering if I could
Speaker 1: have the honor to propose to my girlfriend on stage,
Speaker 1: and if you could help me with doing that. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't listen to this podcast. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: might have just blown it. Maybe we don't say Dawson's
Speaker 1: last name. Yeah, we won't say that's if there's been
Speaker 1: another Dawson. Oh yeah, somewhere out there, there's a Dawson
Speaker 1: who's not going to propose, who's like, oh no, let's
Speaker 1: just let's roll with the fact that I've now read it,
Speaker 1: I've now revealed it, and hopefully your girlfriend does not
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. And this email came on November seventeenth,
Speaker 1: so we're about we're exactly a month removed from that email.
Speaker 1: So the answer is yes, and I want you to
Speaker 1: let's see, I'm trying to figure out how to do
Speaker 1: this without it being without tour manager Chris getting overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: but just give him his phone number. Let's just say
Speaker 1: his phone number over the podcast. But we have had
Speaker 1: many people propose on our stage. There's a time when
Speaker 1: happens like that was popular on the radio. There was
Speaker 1: like a six month period when every single show, every day,
Speaker 1: every single show, somebody proposed to a girl, so much
Speaker 1: so that now we're starting to see the divorces coming
Speaker 1: in with those same proposals. Full circle, Yeah, full circle, bro,
Speaker 1: how is it? How's your wife? We split up? I
Speaker 1: haven't seen you since split up, since twenty seventeen or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens like that. It happens like that. So, yeah, Dawson,
Speaker 1: my tour manager's name is Chris Lee. You could find
Speaker 1: his Instagram is Chris Lee Country and I believe that's
Speaker 1: his Twitter also, So hit him up dmm on there
Speaker 1: and just say hey. Granger said on his podcast that
Speaker 1: I could contact you. Now. The biggest problem with this
Speaker 1: is we don't know when we're touring because of the craziness.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you could hang on a little
Speaker 1: bit buddy, hang on to twenty twenty one and we'll
Speaker 1: be back around your town and I would love to
Speaker 1: be able to get you on stage and propose to
Speaker 1: your girlfriend. And Caleb, do you think you'll be back
Speaker 1: for another podcast? Due? I think do you think you'll
Speaker 1: you think you'll be back? Oh oh yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: back whenever you need. And you guys comment below if
Speaker 1: you wouldn't see more Caleb. But I did that last time.
Speaker 1: It was like overwhelming. Bring Caleb back. So I know
Speaker 1: what it is. I know what it is. Everybody likes
Speaker 1: the train wreck. I know what it is. If you
Speaker 1: got one foot in yesterday and one foot tomorrow, you're
Speaker 1: pissing on today. The stuff like, it's like the little
Speaker 1: nuggets what you bring to the world. Boom. So let's
Speaker 1: go get to work. Let's see you guys. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining me on the Grangersmith podcast. I appreciate all of
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