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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you Should

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Speaker 1: Know in Way over our Heads edition.

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Speaker 2: The help Parents understand what their child is doing in

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Speaker 2: their room all day Edition.

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Speaker 1: I hope so, but I suspect that more than just

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Speaker 1: parents are going to listen to this. And I've never

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Speaker 1: been more nervous about what a group of eight year

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Speaker 1: olds thinks of me than I am right now because

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Speaker 1: I know too much about Minecraft, like I can go

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Speaker 1: way too deep in it, But I also feel very

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Speaker 1: clearly I don't know enough to not get hate mail

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Speaker 1: for misspeaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would maybe not dig too deep on this one,

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Speaker 2: because the deeper you go, the more you risk. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's being mad for sure.

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Speaker 1: But one of the key things about Minecraft is like

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Speaker 1: it's nothing but rabbit holes. You look up one thing

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that leads to ten other things,

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Speaker 1: and those ten other things lead twenty other things each.

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Speaker 1: And it's so fascinating how complex and complicated this whole

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Speaker 1: how these worlds are built, how they originate, how simple

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Speaker 1: it is. It's just I love it. I love Minecraft

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Speaker 1: a lot. If I didn't get addicted to things that

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Speaker 1: know that that would ruin my life.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're addicted to podcasting with me.

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Speaker 1: I totally am. I can't get enough of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if that wasn't clear all that that

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Speaker 2: we just said, like this is officially a CoA, like

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Speaker 2: this will be a broad overview of a very very

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Speaker 2: very dense game that neither one of us play. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna get stuff wrong. We're not going to dive

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Speaker 2: into things you want us to dive into. So just

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Speaker 2: an email disappointed. Yeah, Like, I can't believe you didn't

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Speaker 2: mention blank, like just say it. And thanks to Ruby

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I sent some questions last night that I guess, you know,

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Speaker 2: will Pepper in it if they apply?

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Speaker 1: For sure? Yeah, there was a few things that I

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Speaker 1: Ruby knows this, and sure enough she did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well maybe, I mean she doesn't really play anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of glad about this. Like Minecraft is a

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Speaker 2: wonderful game, and we're going we'll go over the benefits

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Speaker 2: but it's also a game, and we'll go over the pitfalls.

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Speaker 2: It's also a game that can really get under your

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Speaker 2: skin as a kid and as an adult. I guess.

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Speaker 2: But what it's not great if you're a kid and

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Speaker 2: you have other things like schooling to do, if you

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Speaker 2: and she never got that into it. She really enjoyed it,

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Speaker 2: but she's a kind of kid if like you take

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Speaker 1: She's not gonna give you the satisfaction of pun.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, honestly, think she just forgets oh cool,

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Speaker 1: That reminds me. Do you remember Doctor Katz, the nineties

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Speaker 1: And Don Morrera was a regular on that. Man here

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Speaker 1: So I think we should give a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the point. And there's plenty of

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And despite those blocks, despite the fact that there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was a coder from wayback, like he

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Speaker 1: So he was like a game developer, a coder from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, However, however it came out, he released it in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which finally in twenty ten, he founded the company

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Speaker 2: They hired some people, they had a gaming company all

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven at mine Con, which was it's still an

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Speaker 2: I think it's big stuff, everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's huge. I mean, it is enormous. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: as we'll see there's different ways to play it by

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Speaker 2: Oh boy. So starting in twenty eleven, there was a

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Speaker 2: man named or and still is name Yen's Jeb Bergenston

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Speaker 2: new editions of the game, things like that. But Minecraft

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Speaker 2: has always been pretty great in that you buy the

434
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: game and that's it. You own the game. The game

435
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: is updated for free, the updates just roll out. A

436
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: lot of games do that as well. It's not the

437
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: only one, but it was sort of the core business model,

438
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: which is you buy this game, and whether it's a

439
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: PC or PlayStation or whatever, and that's your game for forever.

440
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: You've got that Minecraft game, and kids can grow into

441
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: adulthood like playing the same game that you, you know, insert

442
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: the disc into the player.

443
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Right, So there are other there's like in game purchases

444
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: and add ons and stuff you can buy. I think

445
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: the big hubbub that I picked up on is that

446
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: a SpongeBob bikini bottom biome is coming along, I think

447
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: in August, so you can play it by Bob and yeah,

448
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna be pretty cool. There's other

449
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: like things called textures, which take this the very standard

450
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: like recognizable Minecraft look and do all sorts of things

451
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: to it. Some make it way smoother, some add different

452
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: kinds of shading. There's one called pastel that changes the

453
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: color palette and makes it much pinker and happier. There's

454
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: just a ton of stuff you can get. An add

455
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: on that like is you're it's a mansion, Like you

456
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: don't have to build yourself. It's just now you can

457
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: buy a mansion rather than build. It seems counterintuited over

458
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: counter against the point, I guess, but I'm sure some

459
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: kids are like, I just want to buy the mansion

460
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: in Farm instead. I don't want to waste my time

461
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: building my mansion. You're rabbit holing, sorry, but yes, my

462
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: point is there are stuff you can buy. But a

463
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff is free too, a lot of

464
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: the mods are free.

465
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's hard to get great statistics on who's

466
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: playing it, but Livia did found a survey from Jeez,

467
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: like seven years ago from Australia where fifth and you know,

468
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: I bet it's pretty indicative of who's playing worldwide. Fifty

469
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: four percent of boys ages three to twelve were playing it,

470
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: thirty two percent of girls.

471
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Speaker 1: All of them raised on Foster's Beer.

472
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Speaker 2: And early on it started out is more sort of

473
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: young adult men or older teenagers, but it has since

474
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: crept down in age, and I'm sure you know people

475
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: of all a just still play it. But you know,

476
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: it's a game that a four year old can kind

477
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: of start playing if they're good with their fingies. There

478
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: are two different default players from the early years. Steve

479
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: Well he was the only default player in the early years,

480
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: and then in twenty fourteen they added Alex. They added

481
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: a man and a woman, and then they rolled out

482
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: seven more in twenty twenty two with different outfits and

483
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: different skin tones. But you can skin your character. You

484
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 2: can create the stuff yourself, and I believe you can

485
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: probably buy stuff and get skins that other people have

486
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: created to make your player look more like you want

487
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: them to look.

488
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd be more like you. Even Like there's clowns,

489
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: Japanese demons, scarecrows, there's a lot of cool skins out there.

490
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: For sure.

491
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Speaker 2: You just stopped yourself. Yes, it hiss on that list,

492
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: So I guess we should talk about the fact that

493
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: and this is another really cool part of it. When

494
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: you start out, you know, I said, you start out

495
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: like and you just punch that tree. You start out

496
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: with one chunk of landscape that is a sixteen by

497
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: sixteen block square block, And once you reach those edges,

498
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: you start creating. Like you build as you go, and

499
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: it's procedurally generated as you go. And eventually if you're

500
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: asking like, is there even a limit? Yes, sixty million

501
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: blocks per side, which is seven times larger than the

502
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: Earth's surface.

503
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you consider a block a square kilometer of Earth,

504
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 1: it is. It's about half the size of Neptune and

505
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: twice the size of Earth. Isn't that nuts? Yeah, that's

506
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: just one world. So I read this amazing post by

507
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: a guy named Alan Zuconi called the World Generation of Minecraft.

508
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to just dance just along the top of it.

509
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: But if you're at all interested in how the actual

510
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: world is generated, and it's quite fascinating and go read that.

511
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: But essentially, what they start with is what's called a seed.

512
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: It's sixty four bits of information, right, which is nothing

513
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: that's so small, but just following a couple of algorithmic rules,

514
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: the whole world generates from there. And because these sixty

515
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: four bits are slightly different in each seed, there's something

516
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: like eighteen point four quintillion possible worlds that can develop

517
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: from a seed. That's how many seeds are possible.

518
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Out there, right, Well, tell them what a seed is.

519
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: So a seed is that sixty four bits that create

520
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: the world. And when you have a game like Ruby's game,

521
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: where she bought that game, she bought a seed. So

522
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: if she bought it, okay, her dad bought it for

523
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: and so if she started over when she started the game,

524
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: every time, that same world is gonna be built because

525
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: it's the same information following the same rules. So it's

526
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna build the same world. But if she went and

527
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: bought another one, they'll see that it grew from would

528
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: create a totally different world. And it follows these really

529
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: simple rules like if the temperature is this, and the

530
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: altitude is this. This is the biome it's going to create,

531
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: like a desert or a tundra or a forest or

532
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: something like that. And so if you've created a forest

533
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: biome now in this spot, that means it's gonna have

534
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 1: trees and certain kinds of animals running around. If it's underwater,

535
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: what's the water temperature? And depending on the water temperature,

536
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: there's gonna be different animals in that biome too. And

537
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: it's just following like if then rules that create a

538
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: world from sixty four bits. It's nuts what they've done.

539
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: And the other thing about it, too, is people play

540
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: this so much that they'll actually go out and buy

541
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: another copy because they know that world so well.

542
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: Can you imagine, Uh, can't you just start over?

543
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: You can't. But it's going to be the same world,

544
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

545
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean as a different character or something.

546
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you could start over, but you're going

547
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: to be exploring the same world that you did. You

548
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: know before, you could buy another copy, and it's going

549
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: to be a totally different world.

550
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Oh I thought if you started over as a new

551
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: like if I logged in as me in her game.

552
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: I could just start as whatever I wanted.

553
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: No, because it's the same seed. Yeah, you could be

554
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: a different character, skin in or whatever, but.

555
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: The mean the world start from scratch.

556
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the world will still be the same because it's

557
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: growing from the same seed. I should probably caveat this

558
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: that this is Alan Ducony talking. I'm just I'm dis

559
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: amplifying what he's saying.

560
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about those biomes. There are sixty four

561
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: biome types, fifty three in the over World, which is

562
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: where you know, that's sort of the main gameplay area,

563
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: and then they have a couple of other areas, the Nether,

564
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: which was added in twenty ten, which is pretty scary

565
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 2: like hellish place, and then the End, which is that

566
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: was in twenty eleven. That's a very very dark, very

567
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: bleak place, a very bleak landscape.

568
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of metroidy.

569
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can actually win that game if you defeat

570
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: the Ender Dragon. But I believe there are fifty three

571
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: biomes in the Overworld, five in the Nether, five in

572
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: the End, and then one that I didn't completely understand,

573
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not even going to get into it, but

574
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: it gets really really detailed. Like you said, you know,

575
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: if you go to the ocean and the water temperature

576
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 2: to this, like there are nine oceans you can do

577
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: like warm water ocean, frozen ocean, cold water ocean. It

578
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: just and you know the different forests you can drill

579
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: down very very specifically within those sixty four biomes, which

580
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: is like only lens to the creativity. I think kids

581
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: can just not only are they like being creative, but

582
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: they're they're learning something about these biomes for sure, you know,

583
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: maybe not the most detailed stuff, but they know that, hey,

584
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: in this kind of biome, these are the plants and

585
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: trees that you'll have.

586
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Right, there's kids walking around that are like, yeah, if

587
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: you go under the ocean, you'll find abandoned cities that

588
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: the ancient builders created. That's what they're learning, Chuck.

589
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: Mobile entities is another thing, or mobs. These are like

590
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: the animals and the monsters and stuff. When they're killed,

591
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: they can drop things that you can pick up. Sometimes

592
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: you can tame them. They if you get updates, these

593
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: mobs expand. I think they're more than seventy five now.

594
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: But the things I've seen walking through the room are

595
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: like sheep and pigs and things like that. Those were

596
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: the first animals kind of created that you can use

597
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: that you can you know, get wool from them. If

598
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: you want to make that bed, you're going to have

599
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: to get that wool from that sheep.

600
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: Right. So, and you talked about different biomes having different animals,

601
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: and one of the reasons to go to the biomes

602
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: is not just to explore new cool things, but you

603
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: can get different things out of different mobs. Right. So,

604
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: if you went to a warm water ocean, you would

605
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: find pufferfish. And if you get a pufferfish and you

606
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: combine it with something else I don't remember, you can

607
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: create a potion that will let you breathe underwater, so

608
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: you can walk around and explore underwater. So everything that

609
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: you encounter that's a mob, which is essentially another term

610
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: for a non player character. You can get something from

611
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: and you can combine it with other stuff that you

612
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: got from other mobs, or from punching a tree, or

613
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: from digging up or with your pickaxe to create new

614
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: things to do new stuff with. That's what people are

615
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: doing when they're playing Minecraft.

616
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: One of the other things that you can find, or zombies,

617
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: is very big part of the game. They are kind

618
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: of like most zombies are pretty easy to take care

619
00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: of and defeat. They're different variations of zombies. Creepers are

620
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: kind of a fun mob because creepers are a mistake.

621
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: I believe that. What's the guy's name again, Marcus Person. Yeah,

622
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: he was trying to make a pig, but he coded

623
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: it wrong and it stretched out tall instead of wide,

624
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: and he thought it looked creepy. He liked it, and

625
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: so creepers became a very sort of popular monster in

626
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: the game because he just said, I love that mistake,

627
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: Let's leave it.

628
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: And they're considered hostile mops, right because they'll attack you. Yeah, yeah,

629
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: and they do that by blowing up I think we

630
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: said earlier.

631
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

632
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: There's also something called ender Men, which is kind of

633
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: a play on slender Man, and there are these creepy

634
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: entities that may or may not attack you, depending on

635
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: whether you look at.

636
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: Him or not.

637
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: So there's like there's definitely gameplay to this, right, Like

638
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: there's like you can go off and like defeat these

639
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: things and fight them and protect villages and stuff like that.

640
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: But there's also like you can also just farm and

641
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: once in a while you have to defend your farm

642
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: against some zombies. Or something.

643
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll also come up on villagers and villages where

644
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: they live. And these you know look like they don't

645
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: look like they look like humans, I guess or their

646
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 2: version of humans, right, And you can get things from them.

647
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: You can trade with them. They have different jobs. You

648
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: can change their job if you want to. If you

649
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: need like food or something, you can make them unemployed

650
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: by destroying their job and then giving them a new job.

651
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, you got somebody giving you food.

652
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: Right exactly, And you like, it's just crazy that like

653
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: people have village farms essentially where they're breeding villagers to

654
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: make them stuff that they want. It can get really

655
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: really complicated really fast. But in the most basic version,

656
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: you're just you know, trading with the villagers given them.

657
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: You go get emeralds and you come bring them to

658
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: the villagers and they give you food or wool or

659
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: something like that.

660
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you learn where to look for

661
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: different things that you need. Like if you want coal,

662
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: you know you can dig down not too deep bleef

663
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: or coal. If you want this thing called red, or

664
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: if you want like diamonds, you got a deep dig

665
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: really really deep to find the diamonds. Just like the

666
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: real world. And then Lyvia pointed out this thing called Redstone,

667
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: which was I believe it was an update to the alpha.

668
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: So it's been around basically from the beginning. But it

669
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: has a lot of different kinds of functions, but it

670
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: mainly functions like electrical wires. You can build and automate things.

671
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes things go, powers them right, like everything

672
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: from pistons to doors opening to whatever. People make crazy

673
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: machines using Redstone. There's a kid who made a functioning

674
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: calculator by arranging Redstone and other items in a certain way.

675
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: He made a calculator in Minecraft, and it's kind of

676
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: one of those things you have to see to really

677
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: understand how crazy that is. But that's really it's neat.

678
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: I think it'd be. I don't know how well the

679
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: game would work at all if there wasn't such a

680
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: thing as Redstone, or if you know, you could just

681
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: make things work just by pressing them right, then having

682
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: to go mine Redstone and using it to make the

683
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: specific thing work the specific way.

684
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: That's how you know.

685
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: That's how detailed it involved. It is because of choices

686
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: like that and the development totally.

687
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Should we take our second break sure. All right, we'll

688
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: take that break and we'll talk about how this is

689
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: sort of taken over YouTube as well.

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00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Right for this, Okay, Chuck, So you mentioned YouTube and

691
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: that is basically the official outlet for Minecraft. That's where

692
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 1: Minecraft pours out into the rest of the world.

693
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we'll go over some of the ways

694
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: YouTube is utilized. It's very very I mean, YouTube is

695
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: full full full of Minecraft stuff. But one of the

696
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: things that sort of alarmed me and kind of disappointed

697
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: me with this and roadblocks is that kids will just

698
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: sit around watching people play this game on YouTube sometime

699
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: it's like to learn how to do things. But with

700
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: Ruby and her friends, I will see them just sitting

701
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: around and watching it instead of playing it. And I'm

702
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: always like, as a parent, like, oh god, can you

703
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: you know, can you play the game and like get

704
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: involved and you know, but try to pick my battles

705
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: and just limit it. You know.

706
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: Well, they've really turned things around on their head. If

707
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: you're like, man, can you please play the video game?

708
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: It?

709
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: Can you go outside? Now? It's like, can you play

710
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the video game rather than watch other people play?

711
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

712
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: That's how far we've slipped I get it though, It's like,

713
00:38:53,880 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: essentially she's watching an unscripted TV show money like that,

714
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: and there are people that do that. There's something called

715
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: Survival multiplayer Channels. There's one called dream SMP. I think

716
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: they disbanded, but essentially they had loosely scripted story arcs

717
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: that they acted out in Minecraft world as like kind

718
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: of fictionalized versions of themselves like our stuff you should

719
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: know TV show, and there were just plots that took place,

720
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: and people would watch YouTube videos of these essentially shows

721
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: created in Minecraft.

722
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a one guy named Pewdiepi p E W

723
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: d I E p i E. It's got one hundred

724
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: and eleven million subs and is a very very very

725
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: wealthy man.

726
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was one of the first like genuine YouTube stars.

727
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: I think he was as big as it got for

728
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: a while and.

729
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: Then for him, I'm not knocking it, by the way, he.

730
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: Was toppled by an i think a Bollywood record label.

731
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: There was a competition a four year old from Taiwan,

732
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: right exactly who opened Minecraft lego gift sets. Yeah, but yeah,

733
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: so PewDiePie got very very wealthy just essentially from starting

734
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: out from playing Minecraft videos and you said people watch

735
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: people playing Minecraft, Phil watch speed runs, see how fast

736
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: they can go. There's parody music videos set in the

737
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Minecraft world. Like I think it's one of those things

738
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: where like you can't get enough Minecraft once it gets

739
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: under your skin to where if you're like I don't

740
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: feel like playing today, I'm going to watch somebody else

741
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: play and that will satisfy that inch.

742
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what now that I've said that,

743
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: save your emails everyone, because yes, at home, I used

744
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: to sit around and watch my friends play Adventure when

745
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: they played and it was their turn, And I would

746
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: hover over the shoulders of my friends at arcades and

747
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: watch them play the games. So we did the exact

748
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: same thing, and I take it all back.

749
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a little different because you're sitting there

750
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: like willing your friend to hurry up and die so

751
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: it can be your you.

752
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: Know, that's it's a little different.

753
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're up next, that's the reason. And what

754
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: else are you gonna do? You know, you're on your

755
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: eighth Orange Julius. You're not gonna go get another one

756
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: of those, so you might as well stand around and watch.

757
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and your quarter sitting there flat on the on

758
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: the screen of the arcade game.

759
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: So you're definitely next.

760
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh man, those were the days.

761
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: What else you want to talk about the Lord at

762
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: all or move on?

763
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, well, I mean I think it's kind of

764
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: cool in that if you have a world like this,

765
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're gonna get some stuff like fan fiction.

766
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: Even though technically Alex and Steve are sort of until

767
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: they release, the other ones were the only two kind

768
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: of characters. So it's you know, it's a little weird

769
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: to have fan fiction about these two blocky people that

770
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: really have did you know nothing about personality wise? Sure,

771
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: I guess that's the point of fan fiction. They've also

772
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: come up with this stuff, this sort of like fan fiction,

773
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: you know, where you talked about the ancient Builders, Like

774
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: they've created this backstory sort of of the ancient ones

775
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: who who created the original structures in the game, and

776
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: like where did they come from? So like the creativity

777
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: is really off the charts, you know.

778
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, Yeah, that's the thing about it is

779
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: we'll see, like one of the big benefits of it

780
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: for kids but also for anybody is it it really

781
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: gets your imagination and creativity going along with some other

782
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: stuff too.

783
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: What about Hero Brian.

784
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: Herobrian is a legendary character from what I saw, Notch

785
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: said unequivocally that Herobrien doesn't exist.

786
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

787
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: In Minecraft World, there was a four cham post from

788
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: years back where somebody claimed to have encountered Steve, but

789
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: it was Steve with all white eyes, and he was

790
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: a weirdo doing weird stuff following him around the Minecraft world,

791
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: and that became the legend of Herobrien, this character that

792
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: supposedly is the ghost of Nach's dead brother, right, not

793
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: just like I don't even have a brother, I have

794
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: a half brother I've never met. So no, there's no Herobrien.

795
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Sorry to bust that bubble.

796
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe, like in mods and things, people

797
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: have created that kind of stuff, but in the official

798
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: Minecraft game there never has been one, even though people

799
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: swear that they've come across exactly.

800
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's a lot of ways that you can

801
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: modify Minecraft yourself. Again, one of the cottage industries is

802
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: creating editors to let Minecraft players modify the game to

803
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: their own specifications, to let them do things like, you know,

804
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: jump really high and survival mode or fly or whatever

805
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: you want to do. But one of the things that

806
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: people have done is build stuff with or without modifications,

807
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: and the less you modify, the more impressive your build is.

808
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: It's what they're called their builds. For example, one kid

809
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: named Atmospheric Beats.

810
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: This is incredible.

811
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Who may or may not be Travis Hicks. I found

812
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: a YouTube video and a Reddit post. I can't imagine.

813
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: There's too many people running around making one to one

814
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: scale models of Kansas City in Minecraft. Either way, there

815
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: is a one to one scale model of Kansas City,

816
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: every building, every tree, every street, and you can go

817
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: inside every building. It's just completely true to life in Minecraft.

818
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Somebody built that.

819
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: I want that for Atlanta because I would have fun

820
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: running around there.

821
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Well, there's a whole group called Build the Earth where

822
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: people around the world are creating like faithful to life. Yeah,

823
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: creations of buildings. The point is to recreate every building

824
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: on Earth. So you can do that.

825
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe will one day. It gets even cooler if

826
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, Kansas City one to one scale

827
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: model not bad. Scale model of the entire Earth not

828
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: pretty impressive. There's an eighteen year old This is a

829
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, so I guess he's twenty ish

830
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: now a YouTuber named Christopher Slayton. I think his real

831
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: name is Chris Decal. Yet probably the other way. I

832
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: thought Slayton was the made up thing, not Decal Slayton.

833
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: If it was like slay Tour, maybe.

834
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that reverse. But he made a model

835
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 2: of the observable universe.

836
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: Did you see the video of this, of the explanation. Yeah,

837
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he was like, oh, I'm gonna draw

838
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: this in Minecraft. The kid did the physics required to

839
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: create the models of the universe. I mean, like everything

840
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: from like nebula galaxies to the Sun, Like you can

841
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: zoom into pixels on the Sun. It's just one of

842
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: the most impressive things I've ever seen in my entire life.

843
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: Would that be a photon?

844
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: I guess so. It'd be a one kilometer square photon.

845
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: If all that wasn't cool enough. In twenty twenty, the

846
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: group Reporters Without Borders started a project called Uncensored Library.

847
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: And this this is amazing. In places like Saudi Arabia

848
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: and Russia where the real news is like censored or

849
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: you don't have access to these news sites, they are

850
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 2: burying news inside the Minecraft world. Because you can play

851
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: Minecraft there.

852
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, they write books or they create books that have

853
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: these articles in them.

854
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: And that's cool, unbelievably cool.

855
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: There's another thing too. I mentioned a kid who made

856
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: a calculator. You can arrange these Redstone like or basically

857
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: and make things into logic gates on off if then

858
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and if you make if you

859
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: arrange different logic gates together, you can create computers. And

860
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: there was somebody who created a computer that plays Minecraft

861
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: in Minecraft. Like you go on to Minecraft, go over

862
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: to that computer and play Minecraft on that computer that

863
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: exists only in Minecraft. I just want to make sure

864
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: it's totally clear what I'm saying here, and it actually works.

865
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: It's not some it's not a drawing. It's like it's

866
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: operating on logic gates that they created with arrangements of

867
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: Redstone or incredible. So let's talk about this because I

868
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear Chuck, that there are a lot

869
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: of benefits to playing this, Like, yes, it would be

870
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: really easy for a kid to become addicted, and that

871
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: really can happen, and I've seen that that actually is

872
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: an actual thing and you have to look out for it.

873
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: But there's also some real benefits to this, to playing this,

874
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: especially as a kid.

875
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, if you're a parent, keep

876
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: an eye on your kid. Monitor there there how long

877
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: they're playing this game. Because it is great, and we're

878
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the benefits for sure, but like if

879
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: they don't want to do anything but Minecraft, and if

880
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: it seems like they're never satisfied with the amount that

881
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: they're playing and they're lying about their playing, and if

882
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: they don't have it, they're you know, experiencing you know,

883
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: the withdrawal symptoms of anything else, and they're grumpy and

884
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: irritated or depressed. Like, seriously, get involved because it's a

885
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: real danger. The benefits, you know, been talking about how

886
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: creative it is. It's not only is it going to

887
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: encourage you to just use your creative brain, but you're

888
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: problem solving, you're using math, you're working with other people

889
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: like teamwork, potentially learning to code. Like there, this is

890
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: the one game I believe. I asked Hodgman because I

891
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: knew his son played, and I was like, Hey, is

892
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: this Minecraft thing? And he was like, that's kind of

893
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: the one game that it's it's okay for kids to

894
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: start playing because it's got like plenty of good benefits.

895
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even more esoteric stuff that like managing resources.

896
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: Like it's not like the kids like, oh, I'm learning

897
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: to manage resources is great just by virtue of playing Minecraft.

898
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: You have to learn to manage resources. You have to

899
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: keep up with your sheep and make sure that they're

900
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: breeding so that you can get enough wool, like like

901
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: you have to know what to use, where, where to

902
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: go get it, and then how to use it smartly

903
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: so that you can get the most out of it.

904
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: Like that's a huge part of playing Minecraft, and that's

905
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: a great thing to learn. It also teaches kids to

906
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: like focus on a you know, well you want to

907
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: raise some sheep. I know, I keep going to that. Well,

908
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: but it's a good one. Yeah, you have to go

909
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: you have to farm the food to feed the sheep,

910
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: and then you have to shear the sheep to get

911
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: the wool, and then you use the wool that do

912
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: god knows what with And you have a goal and

913
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: it's not just that one goal. That goal is made

914
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: up of a series of sub goals too, And that's

915
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: a great thing to learn early on.

916
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know your kids aren't coming to you

917
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: and asking you how to do it unless you happen

918
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: to be a parent that really knew Minecraft, because I'm

919
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: sure you know that exists now, it's been around long enough.

920
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: But generally, like your kid's probably in the other room

921
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: figuring this stuff out. Maybe they're asking friends for help.

922
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not. They're learning as they go and making

923
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: like what they think are like smart decisions to do

924
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: better in the game and real time. My advice to

925
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: a parent is like, it's really easy just to sort

926
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: of walk by anytime your kid is doing this with

927
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: zero interest, but just maybe once or twice down and

928
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: ask them to tell you about their world for fifteen minutes.

929
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: Just like sit there with them while they played for

930
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: like fifteen minutes and say show me your world. I

931
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: did that a couple of times, and it's incredible to see.

932
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: I mean she was like five or six at the time.

933
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, to see a kid really like I was like,

934
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: oh my god, and you figured out that, and you

935
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: figured out you needed to do that to get that

936
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: And to them, they're like, yeah, Dad, that's duh, that's

937
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 2: the game. But I'm over here going like this is incredible,

938
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: Like you're learning, Like, keep at it. That's cool and

939
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm glad you stopped playing it.

940
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: At the same time, I feel like we would be

941
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: grossly reversed if we didn't give a shout out to

942
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: our little friend from the Medford Show. Yeah, that's right,

943
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: who requested this. I don't remember his name, and I'm

944
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: very sorry for that. But there was a kid, a guy,

945
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: a young dude at the Medford Show recently, I think

946
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: in May who during QA asked us to do an

947
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: episode on Minecraft. The whole thing started with him asking

948
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: us about mobs, and we're like, what is a mob?

949
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

950
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of kicked the whole thing off. So

951
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: that's why we're where we are right now.

952
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: That's right. And if you hear this kid and parent

953
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: and you want us to set the record straight and

954
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 2: get that name on the air, like email, listen, we'll

955
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: include that in a future correction for sure.

956
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: And speaking of email, I think, Chuck, it's time for

957
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: listening now.

958
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, this is about salsa. We got a lot

959
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: of good salsa emails. People love salsa. I like to

960
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: say salsa, saying and eating. Boy that did you see

961
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: the one woman who's sent in the black salsa from

962
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: that restaurant in Chicago? No, I didn't see that it

963
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: looked good. I think it was the last couple of

964
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: days she posted a picture and it's like Charred Pepper's

965
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: basically nice boy, did it look good? Hey, guys, great

966
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 2: job on the recent episode on salsa. I was born

967
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 2: and raised in northwestern Mexico, being Mexican, I was very

968
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: interested on how you guys would tackle this. Josh got

969
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 2: it right about the fact that salsa is a condiment mostly,

970
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: but he did get it wrong that it is in

971
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: fact served at most restaurants in Mexico along with tortilla

972
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 2: chips called to topos or like the tostadas like Chuck

973
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: mentioned being broken apart. It is not an appetizer, nor

974
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: do you need to order it. It's just served. And

975
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: you can also use the salsa as a condiment with

976
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: your food. And I saw someone else wrote in a

977
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: Mexican woman that said a lot of times, that's a

978
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: good way to test the salsa, to test taste tests

979
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: sort of the salsa or the different sauceas you get

980
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: to see which one you do want to use as.

981
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: A coe, which makes sense.

982
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: Sorry, but the only thing that that was innovated in

983
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: the US was to charge for something that comes free

984
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 2: with your meal.

985
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: Of Mexico boo.

986
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: Indeed, also guys tortilla chips go back to the pre

987
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: Hispanic era with the Mexican word for tortilla chip again

988
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: to topo coming from a nahuato where meaning to toast

989
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: or brown, and finally for chuck. Pico degao Mexico's any

990
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: sort of mixed or chopped fruits and vegetables. Pico digao

991
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: that he referenced in the US is usually called salsa

992
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 2: fresca I don't know, I didn't say it, or salsa

993
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 2: bendero bendera meaning flag and the chilies, onion, and tomato

994
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: are green, white and red like the Mexican flag. Very nice,

995
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: great email. That's from Ricardo Lamas Vidales.

996
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Ricardo. We appreciate that. It's nice to

997
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: hear from a local expert. And if you want to

998
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: be like Ricardo and set us straight on some stuff,

999
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: we would love to hear that. You can send it

1000
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,880
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1001
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