WEBVTT - Sometimes Evil Drives a Minivan (S1 E7 "Anything You Can Do") 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:04.600 Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:08.280 The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.560 my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.480 daughter Emerson Tenny. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.000 This week we are talking about episode seven. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.400 Anything You Can Do, which aired November twenty First, can 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:23.560 you say thousand four? 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.800 Can you say anything you can do? Without saying I 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:26.360 can do better? 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:26.880 I can't? 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.120 I sing, AMC Yeah, I feel compelled to get up 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:31.840 in taplates. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:33.760 That's not really part of a podcast, is it. 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:35.199 I mean it could be. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.800 This This episode, I have to say, is a huge episode, 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.720 and it is the first episode where I went, oh shit, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.440 I want to binge this hole right. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:49.000 So much happens in this I mean I actually paused 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.160 it twenty minutes in and I looked at it because 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.360 I was like, this is crazy. I could not believe 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.160 how much was happening. At twenty minutes in, which is 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:01.120 halfway into the show, you already had Rex serving Bree 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.120 divorce papers. You had Lynette dubiously scrounging around for more adhdmons, 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.840 and you had Susan's first official date with Mike totally 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:13.240 foiled by this mysterious new girl. And you had Gabby's 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.560 mother in law finally get onto her affair. I mean 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.240 that all happened in twenty minutes. What happened in the 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.039 other twenty minutes. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.960 I know we'll talk about it today. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.520 Yes, yeah, yeah, this specific episode is just a masterclass 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.120 in deepening all of the lead characters' personal stories while 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.520 continuing to move the mystery plot along. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.400 There's so much to get into, and I know that 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.559 we always like to start with sharing what we found 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.480 to be our most desperate moments that we're looking forward 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:41.280 to talking about when we get into this episode. 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:42.920 Yes, what was it for you? 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:43.400 Well? 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.840 I think for me, I mean it is hard, but 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.960 I think for me the stress that Lynette is going 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.320 through and her exhaustion and she's struggling to keep up 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.760 with her own expectations of herself. I know we touched 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.120 on it a little bit, that character's like it's starting 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.000 to explode, you know, from the last episode. But I 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.920 just find that to be a compelling, relatable issue that 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:08.800 just continues to strike me. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:09.680 Yeah. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.040 Yeah, for me, I would say the most desperate moment 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.840 is it has to be Missus Hooper dragging that poor 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.119 collapsed jogger over into Bree's yard just to mess up 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.400 how pristine and perfect from yards. I mean, I really 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.239 think that missus Huber is the messiest character. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.560 It really is a messy bitch. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.760 I hate to say it, Okay, I think I have 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.040 to say my most desperate moment is Susan jumping into 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.400 that bull ring, tying up. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.960 Her shirt and waving that hat over her head. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.400 Which I've got to tell you is a gift on 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.919 I think text. If you go to text someone like yeehaw, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.280 a photo of you doing that or. 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.000 A little video of you doing and now I know what, 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:52.360 I'm incorporating it all. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.880 Say yehaw much more often than I did I normally did. Yeah, 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.360 I've seen that gift. It's pretty it's pretty funny that 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.680 that's kind of made it into the whatever. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:03.760 Yeah. 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.840 Anyways, so okay, great, well this is going to be 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:07.359 a big one. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.239 So's okay. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:16.600 I totally agree with the whole Hydrangea lawn situation. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.280 Was unrivaled open in my opinion. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.440 It really, it really is, and just. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.200 The idea of setting the whole thing up of competition 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.960 in general. I mean, we were talking a little bit 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.520 in the last episode about women supporting women or not 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.960 supporting women, and and and then now here we are 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:39.320 with competition and at its core winning and life and 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.880 your household being a game that you have to. 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:46.280 Beat others at and be better. It's sort of amazing. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.560 And we just we get that shot where you see 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.400 the as Mary Alice is narrating, you see the one 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.400 jogger who kind of looks like a normal dad bod 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:59.080 suburban jogger, and then so quickly this Adonnis just comes 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.000 leaping out of. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.200 A tree, lapping him. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:06.760 I love how he starts running harder and harder, obviously 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:13.320 culminating in the poor dad bod jogger collapsing hopefully not dead. 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.720 He has an oxygen mascot. As they wheeled him away, they. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:17.520 Get a glimmer. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.920 But I did think it. I did think he had died. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.400 I mean he looked pretty dead in the wheelbarrow that 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.520 Missus Hooper was wheeling over to breeze lawn. 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:27.599 Oh man, missus again. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.160 It just you know, we should pick out as scenes 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.400 and we should. I mean, for sure the naked in 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.800 the bushes would be one of them. But like we 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.080 should be making a list because I have her Missus 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.479 Hooper wheelbarrowing the guy over to the other lawn and 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.080 then dumping him in the hydrangs is beyond it. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.040 Is and I completely forgot about it. I mean I 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.640 shed it feeling like I had never seen this before. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:54.359 But again, we weren't there, yeah, when we was being shot, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.400 And I always come back to this. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.480 It's like being in a show that I actually. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.800 Wasn't in because so much of it happened that I 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.840 didn't witness being filmed, and so it is exciting to 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.560 see it. I kind of do wish, you know, I 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.400 want to say, like to to Christine, like you know. 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:08.760 What was that? 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:09.039 Like? 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:10.520 Was it hard to push that guy? 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:10.720 Like? 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.680 You know, where the wheels rusty on that wheelbarrel? Every 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.880 time I've ever tried to wheel anything in a wheelbarrel, 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:18.640 it's not that easyasy you know, she really. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.800 Just down sidewalk. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.560 I also made me think, do you guys remember in 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.320 other episodes there have been comments about lawns, like I think, Yeah, 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.200 Freeze character says something about loving what Mary Alice did 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.400 with the lawn, and it made me think. We've talked 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.000 about the writer's room, and we've talked about our fantasy 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.760 that these writers are having so much fun writing things 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.360 for John the gardener about you know, his tube socks 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.479 and his rubber ducky and his and his cheerleading squaws, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.400 his math class and his algebra questions. And it made 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.080 me think somebody in that writing room is obsessed with lawns. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.440 Well, I mean it is the perfect analogy for the 0:05:55.600 --> 0:06:01.480 grass is always greener on the other neighbors. Jamerson, Yeah, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:03.920 I also have to say big shout out to the Raiders. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.200 But also Larry Shaw directed this episode, and I was 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:09.760 gagged at. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.280 Some of the directing choices. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.320 It started with when the body is dumped on Breezelawn, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.360 and then we get the ambulance coming, and then we 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.360 have all these flashing shots, like very quick cut flashing 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.359 shots that look like it's an NCIS episode, like a 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.120 crime scene of the various ways that the hydrangeas and 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.560 the grass have been torn up. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.680 Right, And that is the directorial You're right, that was 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:34.599 him Probably. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.680 The other directorial choice that I don't know if this 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:38.920 is going to become a recurring motif and the rest 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:39.440 of the show. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:40.200 Do you hope it does? 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:46.520 I no, personally no, And this is no shade at 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.679 Larry Shaw, but it was a very distinct storytelling choice 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.440 that as we move, and this is a rapid pace episode, 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:58.440 so it deserves these you know, propulsive quick camera movements forward. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.960 But as we cut for each woman's storyline into the 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:07.200 next storyline, there are these crazy swooshing whippans, oh the 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.600 whippans over the picket fences, which we have never seen before, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:15.160 to intersperse the different character storylines. And it happens upwards 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.800 of three or four or five or six times in 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.120 the episode. And every single time I screamed aloud, I 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.640 was like, oh my god, Okay, that's. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.280 I didn't I didn't notice it either. That's so interesting, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.400 super you know. I ran into Larry Shaw not that 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.119 long ago. I had a nail salon in Studio City. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:34.120 Oh my god, my love. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.040 And he's a new grand father, like a first time grandfather. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.960 I think that maybe he was saying the baby was 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.520 like a year old and I was getting my nails done, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.640 and I think he was going to get a pedicure. 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.480 He might have been getting a massage or something. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:46.800 I don't know. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.560 He sort of walked, but we totally caught up, and 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.840 you know, just like, so good to see your Larry. 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:53.239 Arry. 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.960 I have good I have such good feelings about Larry. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.680 Larry and I had a thing. This is well, yeah, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:01.559 it's not a thing. We didn't have a thing. Sorry, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.320 I didn't mean no, we didn't have as. 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.800 We didn't have a thing. But you talk about you know. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.080 You work for like fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours and sometimes 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.400 you're just so loopy on these things. And I don't 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.000 know why, but it is why we talked about this. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.600 But it is crazy that I remember it twenty years later. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.040 For some reason. We got on a conversation about when 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:26.480 you sleep in your bed and how wonderful the feeling 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.160 is when your foot finds a cool section. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.800 That is honestly one of the joys of being a human, right, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:33.719 it really is. 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.040 It is completely one of the joys of being a human, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.720 finding the cool spot in the bed in the middle 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.720 of the night with your foot. And this is a 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:45.319 conversation Larry Shaw and I had twenty something years ago. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.960 And I still when I think of Larry Shaw, I 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:48.959 think of cool sheets. 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.360 Oh not whippans. I bet you would like that. 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.480 You know. I have to say I have known Larry 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.720 Shaw longer than I have known either of you. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:57.559 Oh, oh my god. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:57.840 Yeah. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.120 So he directed the season before Desperate Housewives. I was 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.439 on a television show that was a very short lived 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:07.680 ABC show called That was Then, and it was a 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.800 great show. We only got to shoot eight episodes. It 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.840 was canceled after two. But Larry Shaw directed on that, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.520 so I met him prior to Desperate Housewives, and then 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.480 he went on to be a longtime director of Desperate 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:20.839 Housewives and producer as well. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.600 So I always liked his personality. Yeah, I liked his 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.439 vision and I liked. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.840 His I liked his vision too. I just the Whippans 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:29.560 got me. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.520 I'm gonna have to go back and look at that again, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.559 but I did because we touched on how competition is 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.920 a major theme in this episode, and I was curious 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.199 if you guys identify as competitive. 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:47.120 Well, I've written down here in my like notes everyone. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.440 Which there was no competition about the listeners. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.400 I have to let everybody know that. Emerson was just 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.360 sort of grilling me about. She's like, mom, those don't 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.199 look like that looks like a writing and like look 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.080 walk text. I just can't, which is weird because how 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.880 could I possibly pay attention to could you possible by 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:01.400 reading it? 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.480 Which is which is what she's going to do. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.080 Heart know, maybe I don't want to read this, but 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.720 let's see, this is what I wrote, okay when I 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:16.120 paused before twenty minutes, probably closer to five. I just 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.160 have always been really hard on myself. I feel like 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.440 that's who I've competed with the most and probably not 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.280 been the kindest too. And it goes on, but I don't. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.120 I that was the gist of an looked so much 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.720 longer it is. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.240 I know it's much much longer. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.360 It says, you know, like when when it comes up 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.960 in my life, and it feels like it comes up 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.199 a lot when you know that you're winning or you're 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:41.839 beating somewhat. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:42.920 See, this is why I'm not. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.280 You don't keep getting out of it. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:48.480 But I do feel like competition does come up a lot. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.000 It has to, and I mean especially in our business, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.600 but for me, and I'm so clear on this, whether 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.560 it's a game of poker, whether it's getting a role, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:04.160 whether it's you know, whatever it is, I am competing 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:09.720 against myself and I would I would prefer that everyone 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:14.360 could win, Like I don't frame it as aha, I 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.960 beat you, right, even if I do win something that 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.280 is framed as like there's a winner and there's a 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.920 not winner. I don't perceive it like I was better 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.640 than the not winner. I perceive it like I did 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:34.240 something well enough to be recognized. So I'm really not 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.840 comfortable with winning, you know, with with I, But I'm 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.880 very comfortable with doing my best, and. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.000 You do your best very hard. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:49.680 At running trade game nights, she is very into doing 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:50.280 her best. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.160 But again, no, but I would, I would use that example. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:58.000 It isn't about beating the other team. It's about solving 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.040 the puzzle. I get very excited at about games. I 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:06.240 love puzzles like crazy, you know, but the it isn't 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.280 about going we kicked that other team's ass, like we 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:11.880 It's not that. It's really about, oh my god, we 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.040 solve all the puzzle, you know. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.720 Like totally yeah. And I think I think I am 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:16.360 the same way. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.880 I mean, I think I inherently fall on the non 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.280 competitive side because I am so bad at sports that 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:28.960 I and and also kind of like other things like 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:29.719 I didn't. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.400 I've never seen you be bad at anything. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.360 But that's because I only do so many things. I 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:36.520 said this to someone the other day. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.040 I was like, if I wasn't a writer, I don't 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.640 know what else I would do, And I think I 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.520 think I I do in games, in in sports, and 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.280 if the rare occasion I go bowling with friends or something, 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:57.760 I recognize like, this is not my lane literally and metaphor, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.920 this is not my lane where I expect to win. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.080 So I'm really here to have a fun time. I'm 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.240 here to be supportive of other people who are more 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.240 likely to win. But I think when it comes to 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.520 things that I do feel skilled at. You know, when 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.880 it comes to if I'm writing a script, I am 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.160 competitive not with other writers, because what is the point 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.640 of that. Everyone has their own voice, everyone is telling 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.679 their own story. I could never tell someone else's story. 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:22.560 You know. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.120 I once had someone ask me in a Q and 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.480 A for an animated short that I wrote and directed. 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.480 They said, and it was an interesting question. 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.680 She said, how are you the only like, how come 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.959 you are the only person who could tell this story? 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.880 And I said, you know, I'm I'm not. I don't 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:39.559 think that I am. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.280 I'm sure there are many other people who could tell 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.400 versions of this story, and they wouldn't tell it in 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.640 the way I told it, just like I wouldn't tell 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.320 it in the way that they would tell it. But 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.520 I've told this story in the way I've told it, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:52.760 and I think I've tried to do it to the 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:53.560 best of my ability. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.600 And that's what makes it. You know, this piece of work. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.560 And then see it's the world that then takes that 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.200 piece of work and compares it to another piece of 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.000 work and another piece of work and says which one 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.960 is the best piece of work? And then suddenly you're 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.120 in a competition that you didn't even want to be in. 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.559 Well, which is you know? And of course we compare 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:13.240 things all the time. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.000 It's how we make decisions about what you know, detergent 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.280 we're gonna buy in the grocery store, or you know, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.240 what job we're gonna take or not take, or audition 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.320 for or go up with a writing sample for. But 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:27.840 I do think I'm competitive with myself. When I feel 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.160 like I could do something better, or if I feel 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.640 like I've underperformed of what my own expectations of myself are, 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.200 I can be very hard on myself, and I do 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:37.640 work on that. 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.240 I love that both of you compete with yourselves. I 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.560 consider myself competitive, and not necessarily in the good way. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:50.000 That she comes from six brothers and we're both only children. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.800 So maybe there's Yeah, I'm just sitting alone and know 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.160 something about we only did compete with ourselves. 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.080 Right, I think there might be. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.880 I think there might be. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.640 Because I I do like a healthy competition. I feel 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.560 like it fuels me in an exciting way and not 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.400 in a mean spirited way ever, because I'm also a 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.960 big rooter for the underdog. You know, like, even if 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.360 I'm watching a sports game that I'm invested in and 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.520 I have a team or a side and they win, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.160 Instead of celebrating that and feeling. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:19.600 Good about that, I do feel like, what about the 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:20.000 other team? 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.760 They're probably so disappointed, and so I have that but 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.320 you know, a segue because you happen to mention the 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.880 only child thing. I actually think this ties in a 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.200 little bit to a Susan storyline that I want to 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:34.120 talk about, which is this Susan getting ready for her 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:37.440 first date and Susan and Julie have a scene while 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.760 she's getting ready where Julie asks Susan if she's packed 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.680 protection and Susan. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.000 Says a crazy conversation. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:46.280 Yeah, it's a crazy conversation. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.720 And Susan says, I can't believe you asked me that, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.760 or something like that, and then Julie says, well, I 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.720 ask because I enjoy being an only child. And I 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.240 just thought, as someone who has so many siblings and 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.320 I can't understand what it was like to grow up 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.280 as an only child. I would love to hear a little 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.400 bit more about your experience as being an only child. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.320 Well, honestly, I love being an only child. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.600 Yeah, I also don't know anything different, and so I 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:14.920 am a big believer in you know, what is the 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.880 point of wanting or regretting things that aren't gonna happen 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.040 or have already happened. You know, I am not gonna 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.360 not be an only child. So maybe I've just made 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.160 peace with it, and that's why I enjoy it. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.080 I love kids. 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.080 I mean, I worked as a kindergarten teacher all through college. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.000 I think there's a part of me that I mean, 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:35.280 I really relish the opportunity to kind of be a 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.440 faux big sister to my friends' younger siblings. 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.120 I think I would have loved to have had. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.720 A sibling, or at least my fantasy idea of having 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.560 a sibling. But I also think I am definitely the 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.560 person that I am in some part because I was 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.880 an only child, and I did get to, you know, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.560 kind of dictate what I was interested in doing, and 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.200 my parents were really supportive of that and didn't have 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.040 to factor in maybe what my sibling also was interested 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.120 in doing, or two siblings were interested in doing. And 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.159 I do think they did a very good job of 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.960 helping me learn how to how to share things. Although 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.440 I will say I write, I like writing, I think 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.840 because I am in control of building a world myself 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.320 and I and you know, and then it becomes very 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.159 collaborative when you get a director involved and you get 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.919 producers involved in those notes. But I think I am 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.080 very comfortable by myself, and that is a tendency I 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.640 think I acquired as an only child, and I sometimes 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.560 need I sometimes will like look at my girlfriend or 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:38.919 look at my friend Andy, be like, Okay, I actually 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:49.200 really need I need alone time. Now I think about 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.359 actually I'm thinking about mom, when I used to play 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:52.240 barbies with you. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:53.560 Oh gosh, oh. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.719 My god, this is okay, this is actually like nightmare 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.399 only child behavior. When I was a little kid, I 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.159 would play dolls with my mom and we'd each be 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.520 at all and she would go, okay, and now this 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.679 Barbie is going to the grocery store, and I would go, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.840 know she isn't. She would go, oh, okay, she's gonna 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.399 go to her friend's house and I would know she isn't. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:13.720 And my mom would go, Okay, well what is she 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.359 going to do? And I would go, well, I don't know, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.280 but that's not what she's gonna do. I was already 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.600 trying to control writing the story. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.159 I do kind of remember to the point of being like, listen, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.439 if I'm going to try to create these stories to 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.320 play a game with you, and you're just gonna keep 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:33.840 shutting me down, have you not been to the improv class? 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:39.000 And exactly yes, and logic of story telling because I'm 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.960 just gonna go drink some wine. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.760 If you're going to keep it up with the nose. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:43.640 She's not a vet. 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.840