Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2: The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher,
Speaker 2: my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life
Speaker 2: daughter Emerson Tenny.
Speaker 3: This week we are talking about episode seven.
Speaker 2: Anything You Can Do, which aired November twenty First, can
Speaker 2: you say thousand four?
Speaker 3: Can you say anything you can do? Without saying I
Speaker 3: can do better?
Speaker 4: I can't?
Speaker 3: I sing, AMC Yeah, I feel compelled to get up
Speaker 3: in taplates.
Speaker 5: That's not really part of a podcast, is it.
Speaker 4: I mean it could be.
Speaker 2: This This episode, I have to say, is a huge episode,
Speaker 2: and it is the first episode where I went, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I want to binge this hole right.
Speaker 3: So much happens in this I mean I actually paused
Speaker 3: it twenty minutes in and I looked at it because
Speaker 3: I was like, this is crazy. I could not believe
Speaker 3: how much was happening. At twenty minutes in, which is
Speaker 3: halfway into the show, you already had Rex serving Bree
Speaker 3: divorce papers. You had Lynette dubiously scrounging around for more adhdmons,
Speaker 3: and you had Susan's first official date with Mike totally
Speaker 3: foiled by this mysterious new girl. And you had Gabby's
Speaker 3: mother in law finally get onto her affair. I mean
Speaker 3: that all happened in twenty minutes. What happened in the
Speaker 3: other twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: I know we'll talk about it today.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, this specific episode is just a masterclass
Speaker 6: in deepening all of the lead characters' personal stories while
Speaker 6: continuing to move the mystery plot along.
Speaker 2: There's so much to get into, and I know that
Speaker 2: we always like to start with sharing what we found
Speaker 2: to be our most desperate moments that we're looking forward
Speaker 2: to talking about when we get into this episode.
Speaker 4: Yes, what was it for you?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I think for me, I mean it is hard, but
Speaker 3: I think for me the stress that Lynette is going
Speaker 3: through and her exhaustion and she's struggling to keep up
Speaker 3: with her own expectations of herself. I know we touched
Speaker 3: on it a little bit, that character's like it's starting
Speaker 3: to explode, you know, from the last episode. But I
Speaker 3: just find that to be a compelling, relatable issue that
Speaker 3: just continues to strike me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for me, I would say the most desperate moment
Speaker 6: is it has to be Missus Hooper dragging that poor
Speaker 6: collapsed jogger over into Bree's yard just to mess up
Speaker 6: how pristine and perfect from yards. I mean, I really
Speaker 6: think that missus Huber is the messiest character.
Speaker 4: It really is a messy bitch.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, Okay, I think I have
Speaker 2: to say my most desperate moment is Susan jumping into
Speaker 2: that bull ring, tying up.
Speaker 4: Her shirt and waving that hat over her head.
Speaker 2: Which I've got to tell you is a gift on
Speaker 2: I think text. If you go to text someone like yeehaw,
Speaker 2: a photo of you doing that or.
Speaker 1: A little video of you doing and now I know what,
Speaker 1: I'm incorporating it all.
Speaker 3: Say yehaw much more often than I did I normally did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen that gift. It's pretty it's pretty funny that
Speaker 3: that's kind of made it into the whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyways, so okay, great, well this is going to be
Speaker 3: a big one.
Speaker 5: So's okay.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with the whole Hydrangea lawn situation.
Speaker 4: Was unrivaled open in my opinion.
Speaker 5: It really, it really is, and just.
Speaker 3: The idea of setting the whole thing up of competition
Speaker 3: in general. I mean, we were talking a little bit
Speaker 3: in the last episode about women supporting women or not
Speaker 3: supporting women, and and and then now here we are
Speaker 3: with competition and at its core winning and life and
Speaker 3: your household being a game that you have to.
Speaker 5: Beat others at and be better. It's sort of amazing.
Speaker 2: And we just we get that shot where you see
Speaker 2: the as Mary Alice is narrating, you see the one
Speaker 2: jogger who kind of looks like a normal dad bod
Speaker 2: suburban jogger, and then so quickly this Adonnis just comes
Speaker 2: leaping out of.
Speaker 5: A tree, lapping him.
Speaker 2: I love how he starts running harder and harder, obviously
Speaker 2: culminating in the poor dad bod jogger collapsing hopefully not dead.
Speaker 3: He has an oxygen mascot. As they wheeled him away, they.
Speaker 4: Get a glimmer.
Speaker 1: But I did think it. I did think he had died.
Speaker 2: I mean he looked pretty dead in the wheelbarrow that
Speaker 2: Missus Hooper was wheeling over to breeze lawn.
Speaker 1: Oh man, missus again.
Speaker 3: It just you know, we should pick out as scenes
Speaker 3: and we should. I mean, for sure the naked in
Speaker 3: the bushes would be one of them. But like we
Speaker 3: should be making a list because I have her Missus
Speaker 3: Hooper wheelbarrowing the guy over to the other lawn and
Speaker 3: then dumping him in the hydrangs is beyond it.
Speaker 6: Is and I completely forgot about it. I mean I
Speaker 6: shed it feeling like I had never seen this before.
Speaker 3: But again, we weren't there, yeah, when we was being shot,
Speaker 3: And I always come back to this.
Speaker 5: It's like being in a show that I actually.
Speaker 3: Wasn't in because so much of it happened that I
Speaker 3: didn't witness being filmed, and so it is exciting to
Speaker 3: see it. I kind of do wish, you know, I
Speaker 3: want to say, like to to Christine, like you know.
Speaker 5: What was that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: Was it hard to push that guy?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: You know, where the wheels rusty on that wheelbarrel? Every
Speaker 3: time I've ever tried to wheel anything in a wheelbarrel,
Speaker 3: it's not that easyasy you know, she really.
Speaker 5: Just down sidewalk.
Speaker 3: I also made me think, do you guys remember in
Speaker 3: other episodes there have been comments about lawns, like I think, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Freeze character says something about loving what Mary Alice did
Speaker 3: with the lawn, and it made me think. We've talked
Speaker 3: about the writer's room, and we've talked about our fantasy
Speaker 3: that these writers are having so much fun writing things
Speaker 3: for John the gardener about you know, his tube socks
Speaker 3: and his rubber ducky and his and his cheerleading squaws,
Speaker 3: his math class and his algebra questions. And it made
Speaker 3: me think somebody in that writing room is obsessed with lawns.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it is the perfect analogy for the
Speaker 2: grass is always greener on the other neighbors. Jamerson, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I also have to say big shout out to the Raiders.
Speaker 2: But also Larry Shaw directed this episode, and I was
Speaker 2: gagged at.
Speaker 4: Some of the directing choices.
Speaker 2: It started with when the body is dumped on Breezelawn,
Speaker 2: and then we get the ambulance coming, and then we
Speaker 2: have all these flashing shots, like very quick cut flashing
Speaker 2: shots that look like it's an NCIS episode, like a
Speaker 2: crime scene of the various ways that the hydrangeas and
Speaker 2: the grass have been torn up.
Speaker 3: Right, And that is the directorial You're right, that was
Speaker 3: him Probably.
Speaker 2: The other directorial choice that I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is going to become a recurring motif and the rest
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 1: Do you hope it does?
Speaker 2: I no, personally no, And this is no shade at
Speaker 2: Larry Shaw, but it was a very distinct storytelling choice
Speaker 2: that as we move, and this is a rapid pace episode,
Speaker 2: so it deserves these you know, propulsive quick camera movements forward.
Speaker 2: But as we cut for each woman's storyline into the
Speaker 2: next storyline, there are these crazy swooshing whippans, oh the
Speaker 2: whippans over the picket fences, which we have never seen before,
Speaker 2: to intersperse the different character storylines. And it happens upwards
Speaker 2: of three or four or five or six times in
Speaker 2: the episode. And every single time I screamed aloud, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Okay, that's.
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't notice it either. That's so interesting,
Speaker 3: super you know. I ran into Larry Shaw not that
Speaker 3: long ago. I had a nail salon in Studio City.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my love.
Speaker 3: And he's a new grand father, like a first time grandfather.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe he was saying the baby was
Speaker 3: like a year old and I was getting my nails done,
Speaker 3: and I think he was going to get a pedicure.
Speaker 3: He might have been getting a massage or something.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: He sort of walked, but we totally caught up, and
Speaker 3: you know, just like, so good to see your Larry.
Speaker 2: Arry.
Speaker 3: I have good I have such good feelings about Larry.
Speaker 3: Larry and I had a thing. This is well, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not a thing. We didn't have a thing. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I didn't mean no, we didn't have as.
Speaker 5: We didn't have a thing. But you talk about you know.
Speaker 3: You work for like fourteen fifteen, sixteen hours and sometimes
Speaker 3: you're just so loopy on these things. And I don't
Speaker 3: know why, but it is why we talked about this.
Speaker 3: But it is crazy that I remember it twenty years later.
Speaker 3: For some reason. We got on a conversation about when
Speaker 3: you sleep in your bed and how wonderful the feeling
Speaker 3: is when your foot finds a cool section.
Speaker 4: That is honestly one of the joys of being a human, right,
Speaker 4: it really is.
Speaker 3: It is completely one of the joys of being a human,
Speaker 3: finding the cool spot in the bed in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night with your foot. And this is a
Speaker 3: conversation Larry Shaw and I had twenty something years ago.
Speaker 3: And I still when I think of Larry Shaw, I
Speaker 3: think of cool sheets.
Speaker 5: Oh not whippans. I bet you would like that.
Speaker 6: You know. I have to say I have known Larry
Speaker 6: Shaw longer than I have known either of you.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So he directed the season before Desperate Housewives. I was
Speaker 6: on a television show that was a very short lived
Speaker 6: ABC show called That was Then, and it was a
Speaker 6: great show. We only got to shoot eight episodes. It
Speaker 6: was canceled after two. But Larry Shaw directed on that,
Speaker 6: so I met him prior to Desperate Housewives, and then
Speaker 6: he went on to be a longtime director of Desperate
Speaker 6: Housewives and producer as well.
Speaker 3: So I always liked his personality. Yeah, I liked his
Speaker 3: vision and I liked.
Speaker 4: His I liked his vision too. I just the Whippans
Speaker 4: got me.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to go back and look at that again,
Speaker 6: but I did because we touched on how competition is
Speaker 6: a major theme in this episode, and I was curious
Speaker 6: if you guys identify as competitive.
Speaker 3: Well, I've written down here in my like notes everyone.
Speaker 4: Which there was no competition about the listeners.
Speaker 3: I have to let everybody know that. Emerson was just
Speaker 3: sort of grilling me about. She's like, mom, those don't
Speaker 3: look like that looks like a writing and like look
Speaker 3: walk text. I just can't, which is weird because how
Speaker 3: could I possibly pay attention to could you possible by
Speaker 3: reading it?
Speaker 1: Which is which is what she's going to do.
Speaker 3: Heart know, maybe I don't want to read this, but
Speaker 3: let's see, this is what I wrote, okay when I
Speaker 3: paused before twenty minutes, probably closer to five. I just
Speaker 3: have always been really hard on myself. I feel like
Speaker 3: that's who I've competed with the most and probably not
Speaker 3: been the kindest too. And it goes on, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I that was the gist of an looked so much
Speaker 2: longer it is.
Speaker 5: I know it's much much longer.
Speaker 3: It says, you know, like when when it comes up
Speaker 3: in my life, and it feels like it comes up
Speaker 3: a lot when you know that you're winning or you're
Speaker 3: beating somewhat.
Speaker 5: See, this is why I'm not.
Speaker 4: You don't keep getting out of it.
Speaker 3: But I do feel like competition does come up a lot.
Speaker 3: It has to, and I mean especially in our business,
Speaker 3: but for me, and I'm so clear on this, whether
Speaker 3: it's a game of poker, whether it's getting a role,
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, whatever it is, I am competing
Speaker 3: against myself and I would I would prefer that everyone
Speaker 3: could win, Like I don't frame it as aha, I
Speaker 3: beat you, right, even if I do win something that
Speaker 3: is framed as like there's a winner and there's a
Speaker 3: not winner. I don't perceive it like I was better
Speaker 3: than the not winner. I perceive it like I did
Speaker 3: something well enough to be recognized. So I'm really not
Speaker 3: comfortable with winning, you know, with with I, But I'm
Speaker 3: very comfortable with doing my best, and.
Speaker 4: You do your best very hard.
Speaker 2: At running trade game nights, she is very into doing
Speaker 2: her best.
Speaker 4: But again, no, but I would, I would use that example.
Speaker 3: It isn't about beating the other team. It's about solving
Speaker 3: the puzzle. I get very excited at about games. I
Speaker 3: love puzzles like crazy, you know, but the it isn't
Speaker 3: about going we kicked that other team's ass, like we
Speaker 3: It's not that. It's really about, oh my god, we
Speaker 3: solve all the puzzle, you know.
Speaker 4: Like totally yeah. And I think I think I am
Speaker 4: the same way.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I inherently fall on the non
Speaker 2: competitive side because I am so bad at sports that
Speaker 2: I and and also kind of like other things like
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I've never seen you be bad at anything.
Speaker 4: But that's because I only do so many things. I
Speaker 4: said this to someone the other day.
Speaker 2: I was like, if I wasn't a writer, I don't
Speaker 2: know what else I would do, And I think I
Speaker 2: think I I do in games, in in sports, and
Speaker 2: if the rare occasion I go bowling with friends or something,
Speaker 2: I recognize like, this is not my lane literally and metaphor,
Speaker 2: this is not my lane where I expect to win.
Speaker 2: So I'm really here to have a fun time. I'm
Speaker 2: here to be supportive of other people who are more
Speaker 2: likely to win. But I think when it comes to
Speaker 2: things that I do feel skilled at. You know, when
Speaker 2: it comes to if I'm writing a script, I am
Speaker 2: competitive not with other writers, because what is the point
Speaker 2: of that. Everyone has their own voice, everyone is telling
Speaker 2: their own story. I could never tell someone else's story.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I once had someone ask me in a Q and
Speaker 2: A for an animated short that I wrote and directed.
Speaker 4: They said, and it was an interesting question.
Speaker 2: She said, how are you the only like, how come
Speaker 2: you are the only person who could tell this story?
Speaker 4: And I said, you know, I'm I'm not. I don't
Speaker 4: think that I am.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there are many other people who could tell
Speaker 2: versions of this story, and they wouldn't tell it in
Speaker 2: the way I told it, just like I wouldn't tell
Speaker 2: it in the way that they would tell it. But
Speaker 2: I've told this story in the way I've told it,
Speaker 2: and I think I've tried to do it to the
Speaker 2: best of my ability.
Speaker 4: And that's what makes it. You know, this piece of work.
Speaker 3: And then see it's the world that then takes that
Speaker 3: piece of work and compares it to another piece of
Speaker 3: work and another piece of work and says which one
Speaker 3: is the best piece of work? And then suddenly you're
Speaker 3: in a competition that you didn't even want to be in.
Speaker 4: Well, which is you know? And of course we compare
Speaker 4: things all the time.
Speaker 2: It's how we make decisions about what you know, detergent
Speaker 2: we're gonna buy in the grocery store, or you know,
Speaker 2: what job we're gonna take or not take, or audition
Speaker 2: for or go up with a writing sample for. But
Speaker 2: I do think I'm competitive with myself. When I feel
Speaker 2: like I could do something better, or if I feel
Speaker 2: like I've underperformed of what my own expectations of myself are,
Speaker 2: I can be very hard on myself, and I do
Speaker 2: work on that.
Speaker 6: I love that both of you compete with yourselves. I
Speaker 6: consider myself competitive, and not necessarily in the good way.
Speaker 3: That she comes from six brothers and we're both only children.
Speaker 3: So maybe there's Yeah, I'm just sitting alone and know
Speaker 3: something about we only did compete with ourselves.
Speaker 1: Right, I think there might be.
Speaker 5: I think there might be.
Speaker 6: Because I I do like a healthy competition. I feel
Speaker 6: like it fuels me in an exciting way and not
Speaker 6: in a mean spirited way ever, because I'm also a
Speaker 6: big rooter for the underdog. You know, like, even if
Speaker 6: I'm watching a sports game that I'm invested in and
Speaker 6: I have a team or a side and they win,
Speaker 6: Instead of celebrating that and feeling.
Speaker 1: Good about that, I do feel like, what about the
Speaker 1: other team?
Speaker 6: They're probably so disappointed, and so I have that but
Speaker 6: you know, a segue because you happen to mention the
Speaker 6: only child thing. I actually think this ties in a
Speaker 6: little bit to a Susan storyline that I want to
Speaker 6: talk about, which is this Susan getting ready for her
Speaker 6: first date and Susan and Julie have a scene while
Speaker 6: she's getting ready where Julie asks Susan if she's packed
Speaker 6: protection and Susan.
Speaker 4: Says a crazy conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a crazy conversation.
Speaker 6: And Susan says, I can't believe you asked me that,
Speaker 6: or something like that, and then Julie says, well, I
Speaker 6: ask because I enjoy being an only child. And I
Speaker 6: just thought, as someone who has so many siblings and
Speaker 6: I can't understand what it was like to grow up
Speaker 6: as an only child. I would love to hear a little
Speaker 6: bit more about your experience as being an only child.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, I love being an only child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also don't know anything different, and so I
Speaker 2: am a big believer in you know, what is the
Speaker 2: point of wanting or regretting things that aren't gonna happen
Speaker 2: or have already happened. You know, I am not gonna
Speaker 2: not be an only child. So maybe I've just made
Speaker 2: peace with it, and that's why I enjoy it.
Speaker 4: I love kids.
Speaker 2: I mean, I worked as a kindergarten teacher all through college.
Speaker 2: I think there's a part of me that I mean,
Speaker 2: I really relish the opportunity to kind of be a
Speaker 2: faux big sister to my friends' younger siblings.
Speaker 4: I think I would have loved to have had.
Speaker 2: A sibling, or at least my fantasy idea of having
Speaker 2: a sibling. But I also think I am definitely the
Speaker 2: person that I am in some part because I was
Speaker 2: an only child, and I did get to, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of dictate what I was interested in doing, and
Speaker 2: my parents were really supportive of that and didn't have
Speaker 2: to factor in maybe what my sibling also was interested
Speaker 2: in doing, or two siblings were interested in doing. And
Speaker 2: I do think they did a very good job of
Speaker 2: helping me learn how to how to share things. Although
Speaker 2: I will say I write, I like writing, I think
Speaker 2: because I am in control of building a world myself
Speaker 2: and I and you know, and then it becomes very
Speaker 2: collaborative when you get a director involved and you get
Speaker 2: producers involved in those notes. But I think I am
Speaker 2: very comfortable by myself, and that is a tendency I
Speaker 2: think I acquired as an only child, and I sometimes
Speaker 2: need I sometimes will like look at my girlfriend or
Speaker 2: look at my friend Andy, be like, Okay, I actually
Speaker 2: really need I need alone time. Now I think about
Speaker 2: actually I'm thinking about mom, when I used to play
Speaker 2: barbies with you.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, this is okay, this is actually like nightmare
Speaker 2: only child behavior. When I was a little kid, I
Speaker 2: would play dolls with my mom and we'd each be
Speaker 2: at all and she would go, okay, and now this
Speaker 2: Barbie is going to the grocery store, and I would go,
Speaker 2: know she isn't. She would go, oh, okay, she's gonna
Speaker 2: go to her friend's house and I would know she isn't.
Speaker 2: And my mom would go, Okay, well what is she
Speaker 2: going to do? And I would go, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but that's not what she's gonna do. I was already
Speaker 2: trying to control writing the story.
Speaker 3: I do kind of remember to the point of being like, listen,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to try to create these stories to
Speaker 3: play a game with you, and you're just gonna keep
Speaker 3: shutting me down, have you not been to the improv class?
Speaker 3: And exactly yes, and logic of story telling because I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna go drink some wine.
Speaker 5: If you're going to keep it up with the nose.
Speaker 5: She's not a vet.
Speaker 3: Wow, she's not a hurt.
Speaker 5: I mean, you.
Speaker 6: Get your real job, you get it at home from Wow.
Speaker 3: Your grandpa really put up with that. But he had
Speaker 3: the most endless he was retired. No, he had the
Speaker 3: most endless patience for that. I would definitely get to
Speaker 3: the point where I'd be like, if you don't, I
Speaker 3: don't know what to say, but you're not letting me
Speaker 3: tell the story that's very funny.
Speaker 4: That is a very well child.
Speaker 3: And I really always wished for siblings.
Speaker 5: But I been a household that was, you.
Speaker 3: Know, not not particularly pleasant or happy or playful, loving
Speaker 3: or Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of stress
Speaker 3: and discourse and yelling. And I think I really crave
Speaker 3: two things. One for my parents to get divorced because
Speaker 3: I thought maybe they'd be happier because there was just
Speaker 3: no happening.
Speaker 1: That's so much for your little it was a lot.
Speaker 3: And then too that there would be somebody else there
Speaker 3: that I could sort of weather it with, and there wasn't.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's I mean, we could get a therapist
Speaker 3: in here, and you could do it about the certainly,
Speaker 3: as you said, you can't go back, you can't change
Speaker 3: it whatever. So you look at what you got out
Speaker 3: of it. And for sure what I got out of
Speaker 3: it was, you know, some some independence, some self like
Speaker 3: like I just made things happen myself, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, like like, and that's it can be good
Speaker 3: and bad, but it is a characteristic of somebody I
Speaker 3: think that's successful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So ye, Andrea, if you only have one child.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, she'll be more than Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, so back in the in the storyline of
Speaker 6: talking about as we continue to weave our way with
Speaker 6: competition being an overarching theme here, we then have the
Speaker 6: scene with Tom and Lynette where Tom asks her to
Speaker 6: throw an impromptu dinner party for his colleagues, and in
Speaker 6: that conversation he ends up comparing her to the one
Speaker 6: and only breeand acam right, And of course you can
Speaker 6: tell instantly that that is not going to go over
Speaker 6: well for Tom.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tom is honestly a piece of work. In
Speaker 2: this scene, I am like, Tom, come on, how.
Speaker 5: Great is this where you actually wrote something down?
Speaker 2: When you do that, I didn't have that that happens later, Okay,
Speaker 2: but no, I think I just I was really I
Speaker 2: was frustrated at Tom, and more than frustrated, you know what,
Speaker 2: I was disappointed in him.
Speaker 3: I know we said this maybe an episode two or
Speaker 3: episode three, that like, the men are really standing out
Speaker 3: to me as their character development happens, and in a
Speaker 3: way that I think when we were shooting it, we
Speaker 3: were so absorbed in like what the women's storylines were
Speaker 3: and also what was happening to us as a show
Speaker 3: in the real world that I don't know that I
Speaker 3: I don't know, considered, especially since I didn't work with
Speaker 3: Doug and I didn't work with Mark, and I didn't
Speaker 3: work with Ricardo. Like I wasn't really considering. I wonder
Speaker 3: what their journey is like on this, But when you
Speaker 3: look at it, all that comes up for me is
Speaker 3: how did Doug do this? He must have felt like
Speaker 3: such an ass, right, Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: And it's kind of interesting because as a viewer, I
Speaker 6: have to say that I can recognize the behavior is bad,
Speaker 6: and yet I still find Tom to be very likable.
Speaker 1: I think that, do you know, amazing ability as.
Speaker 6: A performer to to straddle both of those lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in some ways their marriage is my favorite marriage.
Speaker 4: On the show.
Speaker 2: Even though in this moment I found found myself going
Speaker 2: and I think it is because, speaking of competition, I
Speaker 2: am so competitive with myself that I really felt for
Speaker 2: Lynette in this moment because I feel like when I
Speaker 2: am in the process of working on something and I
Speaker 2: have all of my own self criticisms in my head
Speaker 2: and all of the different bars I've set for myself
Speaker 2: in my head that I need to achieve at a
Speaker 2: certain time, and I'm walking around just carrying this universe
Speaker 2: of competition inside of me, and then one external voice goes, oh,
Speaker 2: you couldn't do that better?
Speaker 4: That can like completely fell me.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, just Derail, I really.
Speaker 2: I really felt. I feel like Lynette is that type
Speaker 2: of person as well.
Speaker 6: And of course she's keeping the secret right now that
Speaker 6: her whole inner world is sort of collapsing as she's
Speaker 6: utilizing this ADHD medication to get her Yeah, so she's
Speaker 6: got keeping that from from Tom and so that only
Speaker 6: his comment only fuels that battle. Whether or not it's
Speaker 6: a full blown addiction, I don't know, but that that
Speaker 6: struggle she's having it only fuels it to go even further.
Speaker 6: And then she takes it on by saying, no, you
Speaker 6: know what, let's do it. Let's go ahead and have that.
Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and have that dinner party and see
Speaker 6: which see how it goes.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I just feel and we have we have
Speaker 2: so many different storylines kind of getting fueled to go
Speaker 2: even further. You know, we have the women showing up
Speaker 2: to the book club, which.
Speaker 3: By the way, I no, no, you got I was
Speaker 3: just gonna say I didn't remember that at all.
Speaker 2: Oh really no, clearly because you saw the movie and
Speaker 2: you didn't read the book.
Speaker 3: I loved that all the housewives were just like flipping
Speaker 3: through it, trying to get to the back page as
Speaker 3: fast as we did.
Speaker 1: Solve one thing. The baby's back. Lynnette's baby is in
Speaker 1: that scene.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you are Sonette is pushing a stroller
Speaker 6: and so there is a apparently allegedly a baby in there.
Speaker 2: So some producer got in there and I was like,
Speaker 2: it's actually been seven episodes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the baby, the baby. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't remember there being a book club on Wisteria Lane,
Speaker 3: and I would bet you guys twenty dollars that we
Speaker 3: don't have a book club again in this season.
Speaker 2: Well, clearly you're using it as an excuse for wine.
Speaker 2: And then also to split off into the little click,
Speaker 2: which I love when Brie, again Brie, with all of
Speaker 2: the amazing moments, does so you helped me with the appetizers,
Speaker 2: and then she shuts the other woman whoever they are,
Speaker 2: who are they in the kitchen and turns back and says,
Speaker 2: you know, okay, what is going on? Right?
Speaker 3: And Susan reveals what she found out from Julie about Zach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the mysterious Dana name, which we will find out,
Speaker 2: you know, a potential lead of who that relates to
Speaker 2: later when Lynette and Susan find the blanket.
Speaker 4: In her garage.
Speaker 2: So we have that going on, and then across the
Speaker 2: street we have Paul, who they're all talking about. Who's
Speaker 2: hired this p I right, which is actually my favorite
Speaker 2: line comes from our wonderful private Investigators have.
Speaker 1: The same favorite line.
Speaker 4: Again, I get to say this.
Speaker 2: You said last week that's right, and I'm not competitive. No,
Speaker 2: my favorite line was when he looks at Paul and
Speaker 2: he goes sometimes evil drives a minivan.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's so good. That's my favorite line.
Speaker 6: And I love when, and this has happened a few
Speaker 6: times for us, when the guest stars or the recurring
Speaker 6: characters are the ones who have our favorite lines. I
Speaker 6: just think that's so cool that our writers wrote everyone
Speaker 6: so well that it wasn't only reserved for the main cast.
Speaker 6: You know, that wealth of interesting, exciting, fiery, funny dialogue
Speaker 6: was really spread out evenly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also puts you as a writer if
Speaker 2: I feel like they are creating a world that all
Speaker 2: exists in the same tone, you know, all not the
Speaker 2: characters all sound very distinct, which of course, is the
Speaker 2: hallmark of a good writer to have distinct different characters' voices,
Speaker 2: but I feel like they speak and exist in a similar,
Speaker 2: somewhat heightened reality. That then makes the whole show work
Speaker 2: because everyone's existing on the same plane of that somewhat
Speaker 2: soapy but also grounded world that everyone's buying into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tricky but wonderful.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then we've got Bri and Rex that they
Speaker 3: are called into the principal's office.
Speaker 4: They need to be called into the principles.
Speaker 3: And I love this scene. I loved the different points
Speaker 3: of view of the of Brie and Rex. I mean,
Speaker 3: because their son punches somebody and breaks his nose, I guess.
Speaker 4: Their son is struggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and in a real way. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think kids going through divorce can have a really
Speaker 3: hard time, especially when they're older, and they and they
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't think this is a family
Speaker 3: that's very good at expressing and communicating their feelings obviously,
Speaker 3: so I'm sure that only makes it worse.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's it is. I guess classic how
Speaker 2: one parent has this. You know, it's not that big
Speaker 2: of a deal. We can just pay for it and
Speaker 2: you know, apologize and me and the and and the
Speaker 2: other one.
Speaker 5: It has a completely other reaction.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also thought it was interesting from a character development
Speaker 6: standpoint that once again you have Rex doing revealing something
Speaker 6: about their personal life in a public way. So him
Speaker 6: revealing to bree that he went to a divorce attorney
Speaker 6: and he will be serving her papers that day that day,
Speaker 6: that happens in front of the principle, It doesn't he
Speaker 6: And I wonder why can't he do this in a
Speaker 6: private way, the way that bree clearly has demanded and
Speaker 6: asked for and expresses a preference for, and he always
Speaker 6: does it in a public way. And I think it's,
Speaker 6: like I wondered to myself watching it, is Rex so
Speaker 6: scared of what Breez's real reaction would be behind closed
Speaker 6: doors that he.
Speaker 3: Has to do it just so mad. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: wants to humiliate her. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Then we get that great cut back to the principal,
Speaker 2: and I think detention will be okay, you.
Speaker 6: Going on, but yeah, but but but yeah, there's a
Speaker 6: lot to go with the dynamics between bri and Rex
Speaker 6: nownavigating the potential dissolution of their marriage and how it
Speaker 6: relates to their children in this episode.
Speaker 2: And I really felt like in that scene in particular,
Speaker 2: I think both Brie and Rex are using their son
Speaker 2: as a vehicle to talk about Rex more than they
Speaker 2: are to actually talk about their son. You know, Brie
Speaker 2: is saying someone needs to hold him accountable, someone needs
Speaker 2: to stand up.
Speaker 4: For his behavior.
Speaker 2: It feels like all of her anger at her husband
Speaker 2: is being directed onto their sons acting out, and Rex
Speaker 2: is kind of classically going, I don't think it's that
Speaker 2: big of a deal. I think maybe he was justified
Speaker 2: in it. And it feels like he could even be
Speaker 2: talking about himself a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's super interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we get back to you brought it
Speaker 3: up a little bit. Susan and Julie getting ready for
Speaker 3: the date and the whole looks so pretty in that scene.
Speaker 3: D that dress is hideous. I actually have my note
Speaker 3: is wtf? Exclamation point exclamation Can we talk about that dress? Okay?
Speaker 1: On mine in all caps?
Speaker 6: Terry looks amazing in that date dress? What do you
Speaker 6: remember about where were there multiple choices or was that
Speaker 6: was that?
Speaker 1: Or do you remember?
Speaker 3: I I don't exactly remember I feel like there probably
Speaker 3: were some choices, but I I don't think I felt
Speaker 3: confident in that. Really, No, I don't think so. And
Speaker 3: then like, look, is that because it was tight? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so. I think I think so. And I'm
Speaker 3: not sure I was wearing a bra and I think
Speaker 3: that makes me.
Speaker 5: Up to I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what it's worth. I got I read.
Speaker 5: What the hell?
Speaker 2: And your hair looked amazing. Yeah, and I just loved
Speaker 2: the framing of you in the foreground.
Speaker 6: Kind of a nineties vibe, which was, you know, it
Speaker 6: was obviously two thousand and four, but I felt like
Speaker 6: it gave great nineties vibes.
Speaker 5: Okay, So my.
Speaker 3: Favorite thing about the thing, yes, is I think we
Speaker 3: just have to say that this is the point in
Speaker 3: the story where it becomes very clear that Edie and
Speaker 3: Susan are going to be the best Foils ever.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it is like frickin' frack.
Speaker 3: In fact, they should just do the Edie and Susan
Speaker 3: show because it is really I I don't want to
Speaker 3: say I didn't remember Nicolette being so good, because I
Speaker 3: knew she was good, but like it's sort of the
Speaker 3: way we're I keep talking about Marsha like and I
Speaker 3: wasn't there for a lot of breeze scenes, but I
Speaker 3: mean Nicolette's delivery of some of this stuff is just
Speaker 3: it's just flawless, comedic timing. It's so much fun.
Speaker 6: Yes, since we covered Emerson's favorite line, which happened to
Speaker 6: also be my favorite line, I'll take this as a
Speaker 6: very strong backup option because I did think it was fantastic,
Speaker 6: which is when Edie says, get a load of you.
Speaker 6: You look so pretty. I hardly recognized you. And Nicolette's
Speaker 6: delivery was perfect and what a line, what a backhanded compliment.
Speaker 2: And then the physical comedy of how confidently Susan trots
Speaker 2: across the street in her sexy.
Speaker 4: Little dress and then.
Speaker 2: Mike has his unexpected to visit her when she walks
Speaker 2: back across the street with the purse in front of
Speaker 2: her face, like she doesn't want Edie to say anything
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, it's just this that really killed.
Speaker 3: But aren't they just great together?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh they're still great. I want the use.
Speaker 4: Of f yi between the two of them.
Speaker 2: I also felt like that was very y two K
Speaker 2: texting abbreviation.
Speaker 4: Just f yi.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I have to say too, just on a
Speaker 6: slightly more hefty note. I have this recollection about Susan
Speaker 6: and the court of public opinion about Susan kind of
Speaker 6: being the most desperate one or the most at least
Speaker 6: in the category of love, you know, and maybe.
Speaker 3: That I've heard the annoying okay, okay, or maybe annoying
Speaker 3: the most.
Speaker 4: And only may.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that might be true as we continue on
Speaker 6: and we learn more and more about Susan and whatever.
Speaker 6: But I have to say, I just want to applaud Susan.
Speaker 6: I just want to give some kudos to Susan in
Speaker 6: these early episodes, because she is being really transparent with Mike.
Speaker 6: You know. She is like when she when when she
Speaker 6: sees that there's this mysterious hot girl there, hot woman, my.
Speaker 4: God, bending into the convertible and hers.
Speaker 1: And her jeans, and she's just there and beautiful.
Speaker 6: And she could try to be cool in front of Mike,
Speaker 6: and she could try to act like, oh, I don't care,
Speaker 6: that doesn't throw me. I'm I'm confident, quote unquote, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm unflappable, and instead she chooses to say, no, actually,
Speaker 6: I am a little confused as to what is going
Speaker 6: on here.
Speaker 1: You know, now you're canceling our date. We finally have a.
Speaker 6: Date, and and she chooses to confront him, and I thought, hey,
Speaker 6: way to go. That is really cool. And so I
Speaker 6: felt like that was a great moment for Susan. She
Speaker 6: was being brave and for flammable, she's not unable.
Speaker 4: I mean I am.
Speaker 2: I am rooting for them to come together because I
Speaker 2: love you see how much he wants it too. I
Speaker 2: mean Susan doesn't see it, but we see as the viewer.
Speaker 2: You know, even the cut back and forth to I
Speaker 2: loved seeing their various Mic and Susan support systems for
Speaker 2: getting ready for the date. You've Susan with Julie obviously
Speaker 2: getting ready. Julie is giving her her time about protection
Speaker 2: and how she doesn't want to she wants to remain
Speaker 2: an only child.
Speaker 4: But then you cut to Mike.
Speaker 2: With the dog with the dog and he's asking how
Speaker 2: he looks, and he's trying on his blazer, and I could.
Speaker 6: Just cry, I could Mike secutity. Mike's acute with a secret,
Speaker 6: but acuting I.
Speaker 2: Know with a secret that that deepens continually this episode
Speaker 2: as other secrets. Yes, well, I was going to say
Speaker 2: Gabby's secret. Mm hm, Wanita is finally onto we have Okay,
Speaker 2: I need a moment for the red flip phone flip
Speaker 2: phone that she the rose on the bed that then
Speaker 2: Wanita picks up and here's John. What does he say,
Speaker 2: if you're going to talk dirty to me, don't.
Speaker 1: Even try to talk dirty to you know, to make
Speaker 1: it up to me or something.
Speaker 2: Exactly the worst thing you could say to someone who
Speaker 2: was very incriminal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 6: I did have a pang over the flip phones I
Speaker 6: and I know I think only the BlackBerry. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think these things are kind of coming back. I've heard
Speaker 6: that there might be flip phones back in coming back nowadays.
Speaker 6: I think there's something very satisfying about hanging up a phone,
Speaker 6: and we can't do that today's phone.
Speaker 4: Hanging up on someone.
Speaker 6: You know, when you flip the phone closed, it does
Speaker 6: feel like there's a finality to the conversation you were
Speaker 6: having in versus just a little like boop with your fingers.
Speaker 6: So I appreciated the flip phone moment as well, Emerson,
Speaker 6: I really liked that part.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I also really appreciated the scene between Edie
Speaker 3: and Paul.
Speaker 4: Oh well, talk about mysteries deepening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and I loved the choice that Nicolette made
Speaker 3: to be putting on lipstick and sort of like to
Speaker 3: make a casual thing out of talking about someone killing
Speaker 3: themselves in the house. Yeah, to play that juxtaposition of like,
Speaker 3: I'm not really paying attention to this, It's more important
Speaker 3: for me to get my lipstick exactly right. But yes,
Speaker 3: you can't have a dead person in the house and
Speaker 3: still sell it for a good price, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like that. Yeah, she did such a good job. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she really did. She really did.
Speaker 6: And how convenient that we have a realtor right on
Speaker 6: the block. I thought that, I know, you know, she's
Speaker 6: right there. You can just say, hey, can you sell
Speaker 6: the house?
Speaker 2: But even more convenient, he gets the paper exactly she
Speaker 2: leaves behind her her binder, which has that I love
Speaker 2: that the private investigator has tracked the paper distributor of
Speaker 2: the lavender paper that the note has come on. And
Speaker 2: then we find that blank, blank slip of paper, which
Speaker 2: it was interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Because in Edie's notebook blank. Yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 4: was she gonna write another note?
Speaker 2: Did she write the note stationary?
Speaker 3: You could keep your stationary. I think it's her stationary,
Speaker 3: she gets.
Speaker 1: Her number and all a lot.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think she has it everywhere with her just
Speaker 6: a little slip so that she can pass around those digits.
Speaker 3: But it's a cool way that the storyline is that
Speaker 3: mystery part is starting to reveal itself. Yeah, and also
Speaker 3: the mysterious girl. And this is back to my stopping
Speaker 3: the thing at twenty minutes going oh my god, like
Speaker 3: Gabby's mother in law knows she's she's having an affair,
Speaker 3: Like there's all this mystery that's happening. Lynette's life is
Speaker 3: blowing up.
Speaker 4: So is Breeze. It was a lot, Yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 2: It was a jam packed episode. And then we get
Speaker 2: Rex bribing his children. Yeah, with a car. I mean
Speaker 2: that's the biggest bribe. I feel like you can give
Speaker 2: a child who is of driving barely of driving age.
Speaker 2: And then also with the modeling agency works University for
Speaker 2: what is it called, it's like New York.
Speaker 4: Model New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's name for Danielle, which obviously Gabby has kind
Speaker 2: of teed up because she wants to get rid of
Speaker 2: the boyfriend's teenage girls.
Speaker 1: Talk about competition.
Speaker 3: They're not backing off of this teenage affair thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I I did actually write down
Speaker 2: here you go, I said, whoa, wow, Gabby is so
Speaker 2: predatory in this scene with John. Honestly, it's giving what
Speaker 2: we would now call the term grooming, even though they
Speaker 2: didn't have the term for that.
Speaker 4: Then oh wow, yeah, yeah, all the way, it is
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think I agree that I did kind of find
Speaker 3: myself asking.
Speaker 2: Why you know, so manipulated and you're an adult. I mean,
Speaker 2: Gabby's character, isn't it just But.
Speaker 6: Here's something I had written down, which is that Gabrielle
Speaker 6: which says to John on the phone, Oh, that sounds
Speaker 6: like you're it sounds like you have a date. Well,
Speaker 6: I have a problem with you seeing other girls, And
Speaker 6: I wrote down I think it's very interesting she uses
Speaker 6: the term girls as though she's including herself, you know,
Speaker 6: and like why I mean, she of course can't use
Speaker 6: the word women because Danielle is not, you know, a woman,
Speaker 6: She is, in fact a girl.
Speaker 1: But I thought that is weird. What is going on
Speaker 1: with Gabrielle?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's the sex that good?
Speaker 2: Or like, I mean, okay, do you have like Ben
Speaker 2: having been a teenager, I can't imagine it is right,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine it is.
Speaker 6: That not a good excuse won't hold up in court,
Speaker 6: you know, not a good enough excuse even if it
Speaker 6: is that good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I wonder what. I wonder what she
Speaker 3: felt about this storyline, you know, And again I can.
Speaker 4: Only because she's she's doing such good job.
Speaker 3: And that kind of goes back to I think it's
Speaker 3: an actor's responsibilit to fill up, fill up the homework,
Speaker 3: you know, fill up the why is a character behaving
Speaker 3: the way they're behaving, even if the audience never hears that.
Speaker 3: You have to do something for yourself. So it would
Speaker 3: be interesting to hear what she created or if she
Speaker 3: like kind of bumped up against this, or maybe she
Speaker 3: didn't like maybe it's just funny, right and clever, and
Speaker 3: maybe you just don't think about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but at this point, I'll say, in the storyline,
Speaker 6: I feel as though, in terms of redeeming themselves, I
Speaker 6: would think Gabrielle and Carlos have the most work to
Speaker 6: do as.
Speaker 1: A unit to redeem their characters.
Speaker 5: Definitely, and they're.
Speaker 6: Both wonderful and doing a great job. There is so
Speaker 6: much more of this episode to talk about. I mean,
Speaker 6: Lynette strung out in the park breeze, heartbroken before our eyes,
Speaker 6: as her children take Rex's side in their breakup, and
Speaker 6: the iconic.
Speaker 1: Full riding scene with Susan and Edie. So stay tuned.
Speaker 1: Part two of this episode will drop later this week.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 6: Until then, we remain despertly devoted to you.
Speaker 3: M hmm,