WEBVTT - Tesla Cuts Prices Again and Goldman Says Apple a Buy

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<v Speaker 1>I met Ludlow in San Francisco. This is Bloomberg Technology

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<v Speaker 1>coming up. Tesla cuts prices again, the electric vehicle maker,

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<v Speaker 1>reducing the costs of more expensive models for the second

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<v Speaker 1>time this year. We'll bring you the details, plus time

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<v Speaker 1>to buy Apple. After sitting on the sidelines for the

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<v Speaker 1>last six years, Goldman Sachs says it is time to

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<v Speaker 1>jump in on the iPhone maker despite missing out on

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<v Speaker 1>a three hundred percent advance. We'll discuss and the push

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<v Speaker 1>to ban TikTok. Senator Mark Warner plans to introduce a

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<v Speaker 1>bill this week to allow the US to systematically ban

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese technology. That's including services like the social media giant.

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<v Speaker 1>All that and so much more. Coming up. The first,

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla down two percentage points after cutting prices here in

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<v Speaker 1>the US on Model lesque a Model X including the

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<v Speaker 1>plaid varietals over the weekend. For more, Let's bring in

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<v Speaker 1>bloombergs Dana Hoole, who is reporting, where are the price

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<v Speaker 1>cuts and what do we know about them? In the

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<v Speaker 1>last twenty four hours? So Tesla cut the prices last night,

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<v Speaker 1>they change the website, and the model S is now

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<v Speaker 1>roughly five thousand dollars cheaper. Across both models, and the

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<v Speaker 1>X is almost ten thousand dollars cheaper. Interestingly, now the

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<v Speaker 1>plaid is the exact same for both the S and

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<v Speaker 1>the X. And I think what significant is that we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen Tesla tweak prices quite a bit. This is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a significant change to come in March. We have

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<v Speaker 1>roughly three and now four weeks left in the quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla definitely changes prices. But is this a demand question

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<v Speaker 1>or is this just Tesla trying to cut costs for consumers? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's jump in on that. We every day go to

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<v Speaker 1>our audience and ask what do you make of this story?

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<v Speaker 1>And the question is do these price cuts push you

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<v Speaker 1>to buy what is a still very expensive vehicle? The

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<v Speaker 1>results kind of mixed, actually, I would say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>almost fifty percent of respondents say no, these are too expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>What has Tesla said so far in twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>about demand, because they tend to use price cuts as

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<v Speaker 1>a lever, frankly fine, pockets of demand absolutely well. Musk

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<v Speaker 1>said last week and Investor Day that demand for Tesla's

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<v Speaker 1>cars is infinite and that the biggest, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>limiting factor is priced. So you know, but again, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the vast majority of Tessa's sales right now are

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<v Speaker 1>the three and the Y, and you know, he's even

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<v Speaker 1>said that the S and the X are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like antique models that eventually will go the way. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's sort of like legacy models that they make because

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<v Speaker 1>people are fond of them, but they are still quite

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<v Speaker 1>expensive cars. The fact that they are cutting at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in the quarter, to me, means that they are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to stoke demand. They must have inventory that they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move. You have a really terrific piece out

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<v Speaker 1>newsletter or Bloomberg terminal piece, both newsletter and ternal piece

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<v Speaker 1>value for money on this great deep bench of talent Tesla.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this was so important and worth taking a

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<v Speaker 1>look at. Last week it invested day. Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 1>up on stage a site with familiar with that behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>There you see it on the screen. Sixteen or so

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<v Speaker 1>executives six. Yeah, I don't think we have time to

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<v Speaker 1>go through all sixteen, but there are sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>top three that you've picked out. Who are these new

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<v Speaker 1>names behind Elon Musk? Yeah, So this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that so many people have been on stage with Elon,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's a clear sign that the company

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to be like, Hey, even though Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>bought Twitter, we have this deep bench of talent. Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Zoo is clearly a rising star, as you've reported earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year. You know, Tom has kind of a growing

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<v Speaker 1>remit within Tesla overseeing manufacturing not just in China, but

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas and potentially in Mexico as well. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the presentation by Rebecca Tanucci, who oversees charging, was spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like an executive that we've never heard of. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Brendan Erhardt, who's the recently hired general counsel, came

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<v Speaker 1>to Tesla from Dish. He briefly appeared on stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's the first sort of big outside higher that we've

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<v Speaker 1>had a Tesla in quite a while, just showing those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of less familiar names on the screen. Then you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>we've reported Tom ju now has kind of moved away

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<v Speaker 1>from China where he was really focused, to globally looking

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<v Speaker 1>at manufacturing air Heart Interesting. You and I have reported

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<v Speaker 1>a lot on the turnover of legal names in Tesla.

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<v Speaker 1>You've covered Tesla for so long and you've done so

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<v Speaker 1>many of these events. Why was this one different? What

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<v Speaker 1>was the kind of standout feature of it. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean, it was a four hour of it,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was quite quite the long saga. It reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me a little bit of a Battery day point two

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<v Speaker 1>point er in which they were giving a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>very detailed, highly technical information about their thinking, but there

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a clear product announcement. I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>retail investors and Wall Street frankly were disappointed. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see a concept of the car. They didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see like a future car under a white sheet,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what the slide showed. But we didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from a lot of people. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, part of Tesla's talent is people, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>rare that they showcase people. Part of our talents of

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<v Speaker 1>people too. Here at Bloomberg. Bloomberg's done a whole terrific

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<v Speaker 1>reporting and all things Tesla. Now, let's stay in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of evs and actually autonomous vehicles. Amazon's Zooks division

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<v Speaker 1>is facing a federal inquiry into the self certification of

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<v Speaker 1>its passenger vehicle as meeting safety standards. NITZA says it's

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<v Speaker 1>launching an inquiry for more information on the data and

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<v Speaker 1>testing the company used to certify it's a vehicle that

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<v Speaker 1>was equipped with automated driver assistant software. The government didn't

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<v Speaker 1>cite any problems or violations in the announcement. Zooks's general

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<v Speaker 1>counsel told me in a statement, this is a request

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<v Speaker 1>to gain an additional level of detail and information on

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<v Speaker 1>the self certification test Zooks performed, which have met or

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<v Speaker 1>exceeded government requirements. We are committed to working closely with

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<v Speaker 1>NITZA on the questions they have and we remain confident

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<v Speaker 1>in our self certification process and data. Now another story

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching, Goldman Sachs says it's time to buy Apple shares.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman is taking a bye out of the Apple well

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<v Speaker 1>Apple Shares. The firm is recommending the stock as a

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<v Speaker 1>buy for the first time in nearly six years. To

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<v Speaker 1>see what I did there. Analyst Michael Earn has taken

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<v Speaker 1>over coverage of the stock, and he says Apple's large

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<v Speaker 1>user base is going to help the iphonemaker grow its

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<v Speaker 1>services business and because of its leading design fostering brand loyalty,

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman think that Apple is able to reduce the number

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<v Speaker 1>of users leaving the Apple ecosystem and to keep them

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<v Speaker 1>making repeat purchases. So back to the last time Goldman

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<v Speaker 1>had the equivalent of a buy on Apple twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>the stock has rallied more than three hundred percent since then.

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman's price target one hundred and ninety nine dollars implies

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<v Speaker 1>more than thirty percent upside from the last close. That's

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<v Speaker 1>way above the average target of one hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nine sixty one cents. So Goldman's done sitting on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidelines with Apple anyone else. An interesting piece we put

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<v Speaker 1>out there in social media because the stock also got

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a bump just in the session alone

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<v Speaker 1>from that Goldman call. As we said in the piece,

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<v Speaker 1>up more than three hundred percent since the last time

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<v Speaker 1>Goldman had the equivalent of a buy. So let's think

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<v Speaker 1>with that Apple. Because Apple is gearing out to launch

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<v Speaker 1>it's next slate of laptops, desktops and including that new

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<v Speaker 1>iMac Blue by Mark gum In here with those details

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<v Speaker 1>you're writing in your news lesson this morning about what's

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<v Speaker 1>to come? What do we expect? Yeah, so new Max,

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<v Speaker 1>new Max are coming soon. There's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>new fifteen Inchmacbook Air. This is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first time that Apple has made a larger size MacBook Air.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be appealing to people who want a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger screen size but in a quite a bit cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>and more portable package. There's people like me who have

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest MacBook Pro you can get not because you

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<v Speaker 1>want the performance, but because you want the screen real estate.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you'll be able to get that in a

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<v Speaker 1>lighter and cheaper package. Also, a new thirteen Inchmacbook Air

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<v Speaker 1>coming in the next few months later this year, the

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<v Speaker 1>first update to the iMac right in about two two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years that will have an M three chip,

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<v Speaker 1>their next generation processor. And speaking of new Apple products,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also something coming sooner than these new max imminent,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm told is a new iPhone fourteen color, so look

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<v Speaker 1>out for this week. It's interesting because you and I

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<v Speaker 1>started the year kind of really focused on the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>AARVR headset, but you forget that the cadence of new

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<v Speaker 1>products and releases is quite closely tracked. And you wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in the newsletter the most frequent question I get ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of my weekly column is something along the lines of

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<v Speaker 1>when is a new iMac coming out? Why is everyone

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<v Speaker 1>waiting specifically on a new iMac. Yeah. The iMac is

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<v Speaker 1>really what started Apple over again under Steve Jobs in

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen nineties, right, And this all in one

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<v Speaker 1>machine that now has become essentially an iPad with the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four in screen on a stand. It's not their

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<v Speaker 1>most popular Mac those go to the thirteen inch MacBook

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<v Speaker 1>Pro a base model as well as the MacBook Air.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's very well received in schools, like in computer

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<v Speaker 1>labs and such. People like to put them in their

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<v Speaker 1>living rooms, in kids rooms, people who work from home.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a really hot buy for work from home,

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<v Speaker 1>remote work setups, hybrid work environments. And that machine, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, has not been updated since April twenty twenty one. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Apple fans, you know, they all want to know

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<v Speaker 1>when that new models coming out because they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to buy an M one iMac, which from a processor standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>has been outdated already for you six to nine months,

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<v Speaker 1>if not longer. They want to know when the new

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<v Speaker 1>ones coming out. And I'm told it's reached an advanced

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<v Speaker 1>stage called EVT. They're now doing test production of the iMac.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gearing up for mass production in about three months

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<v Speaker 1>from now it's going to look similar, have basically all

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<v Speaker 1>the same features as the current model, but that faster

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<v Speaker 1>M three chip, which is really going to dial up

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<v Speaker 1>the performance, which is what you want for a machine

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<v Speaker 1>with the twenty four in screen for people doing video

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<v Speaker 1>editing and such. Well, that's where I was going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk Silicon just really quickly. Which chips did the

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<v Speaker 1>new jen I MacBooks have? The ones that did due

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<v Speaker 1>out imminently, right, So the next chip for Apple is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that M three chip. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to arrive until later in the year, with

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<v Speaker 1>either that iMac or that update to the thirteen inch

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<v Speaker 1>MacBook Air. That this fifteen inch MacBook Air is going

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<v Speaker 1>to come a bit sooner than the M three chips availability,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's likely to have a variation of the M

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<v Speaker 1>two or the M two pro chip that's already available

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<v Speaker 1>in sort of those base MacBook pros and the thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>inch MacBook Air today. But the M three chip, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>that does hip, that's going to be a pretty considerable

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<v Speaker 1>upgrade for anyone coming from an M one. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>first time Apple is going to move from a five

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<v Speaker 1>nanimeter production technology to a three nanimeter production technology that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to allow Apple to dial up the speed a

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<v Speaker 1>bit on the CPU side. But also because of that

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<v Speaker 1>new production process through TSMC, the efficiency and battery life

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<v Speaker 1>is likely to improve as well. Thing begs Markham and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you smile. You're remember to subscribe to Mark's weekly column.

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<v Speaker 1>which is all about science and engineering, versus when our

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<v Speaker 1>kids see, there's a radical difference. That was Senator Mark Warner,

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<v Speaker 1>who plans to introduce a bill this week to allow

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<v Speaker 1>the US to systematically ban Chinese technology, including services like TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg's ky lines out in DC with more, Kaylee, what

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<v Speaker 1>do we know about this particular bill, Well, we know

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<v Speaker 1>it has bipartisan support because the co sponsor of Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Mark Warner's bill as Republican John Thune from South Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>So this in theory supported on both sides of the

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<v Speaker 1>Aisle here at least by some members, and it gives

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<v Speaker 1>the US the authority on national security concern grounds to

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<v Speaker 1>ban or prohibit certain Chinese technology here in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>And when he was asked on that Sunday program he

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<v Speaker 1>was speaking on about that, he said, yes, that does

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<v Speaker 1>include Byte Dances TikTok, as you saw in the clip there.

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<v Speaker 1>He has two concerns here, one about the potential propaganda element,

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<v Speaker 1>the other about data security because as we're all swirling

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok, our data is being collected, and the concern

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<v Speaker 1>is that Byte Dance, being a Chinese company, then would

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<v Speaker 1>have that data being shared with the Chinese government. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to note Byte Dance has said it operates independently,

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<v Speaker 1>that its data is secured through an alliance with Oracle

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to US customers. But there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>significant amount of pushback against that, including from FBI Director

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Ray, who has said that China controls the algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>and China can access the data. And so this is

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<v Speaker 1>the concern here with yet another potential legislation being introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to prohibit or restrict TikTok in some form, that does

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<v Speaker 1>appear to be momentum behind this initiative. On this program,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about some form of legislation around not

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<v Speaker 1>just TikTok but Chinese technology generally for some time. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is this bill different? I suppose well. Senator Warner has

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<v Speaker 1>said he intends to design this bill so it can

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<v Speaker 1>resist any kind of legal challenges, because we have seen

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<v Speaker 1>other proposals put forward that have run into some resistance,

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<v Speaker 1>like Republican Josh Holly's. For example, the No TikTok on

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<v Speaker 1>United States Devices Act, would put a total ban on

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok here in the US, prohibit allowing the President to

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<v Speaker 1>prohibit the use and download of it. There has been

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<v Speaker 1>some criticism that that actually is a violation of First

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment rights to free speech because you're restricting the content

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<v Speaker 1>people could put out there. So there are some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of legal questions here that make it difficult for a

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<v Speaker 1>measure like this to get over the finish line. Will

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<v Speaker 1>have to see ultimately if it does. I will say, though,

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<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about here is an expansion of bands

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok from the public sector to the broader US public,

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<v Speaker 1>because you already have in place Congress spanning TikTok from

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<v Speaker 1>government devices last year, in the White House last month

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<v Speaker 1>mandating federal agencies remove it from phones and systems. Kaylee.

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<v Speaker 1>The other big headline out of DC from a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of oversight perspective, is what President Biden is considering doing

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of executive orders and restrictions on China. What

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<v Speaker 1>do we know, Well, we know from Bloomberg reporting that

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<v Speaker 1>this is in the works, and we are expecting that

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<v Speaker 1>funding for this program we're talking about will be included

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<v Speaker 1>in the President's budget on March ninth, so we could

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<v Speaker 1>get full details on Thursday. But it's essentially restricting US

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<v Speaker 1>investment in Chinese technology, specifically technology that advances intelligence and

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<v Speaker 1>military capabilities of the Chinese government. So while we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what exactly technologies are being specified here, we should

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<v Speaker 1>get more details in the coming days. We don't know

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<v Speaker 1>it from the reporting at this point, but think things

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<v Speaker 1>like semiconductors or artificial intelligence chat GPT like products, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as quantum computing. All of that is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be included in the scope here. And what is noteworthy

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<v Speaker 1>and important to me is that when in these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>that Bloomberg had with those working on this policy for

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<v Speaker 1>the administration, something that was raised was the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't just about money. It is also about talent

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<v Speaker 1>and expertise that US individuals can share with Chinese companies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want to put restrictions around that. So, as

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<v Speaker 1>you say, this is about a broader competition element between

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<v Speaker 1>the US and China, and it's a story we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to continue to follow and expect to get

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<v Speaker 1>details from the President on in the coming days. Bloomberg's

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<v Speaker 1>Katie lines Mountain DC, thank you now from TikTok to Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>This morning, the app suffered its second outage in a week.

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<v Speaker 1>In response, Elon must called the platform brittle. Bloomberg's cut

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<v Speaker 1>Wagner is here, Resident social media reporter, all Things Social.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of those mornings where it just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Twitter down, people ask I did? I wrote hiku actually,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, you know, when you go on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>and twitters down, everyone is on the platform asking is

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter down? That was my tweet. Sad gloomy Monday, a

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<v Speaker 1>busy Twitter breaking sigh, the outages. That was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is more than just a sort of regular outage, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you have a first of all, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a future here if the TV thing doesn't work out,

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<v Speaker 1>writing poet, right. But yeah, I mean, look, we've I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on this show. We've talked about this. Everyone who's

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<v Speaker 1>fallow Twitter knows that over the last couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and months, the staff at Twitter has been slashed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we're talking well over fifty percent of employees

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<v Speaker 1>that were just a few months ago are now gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you know, we see that happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>when those a lot of those people are engineers or

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<v Speaker 1>site reliability folks, suddenly you you know, see these outages

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<v Speaker 1>happening with more frequency. This is something that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people thought would happen when Elon first took over.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't right away. You may remember, everyone was like, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter seems to be working fine. Well, it's starting to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up to the company. We did kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>a response from Elon must that went some way to

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<v Speaker 1>explaining what caused the outage. I think we can bring

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<v Speaker 1>the tweet back up. But the point is is they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make fixes with a skeleton staff. A small

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<v Speaker 1>API change had massive ramifications. According to Elon Musk, this

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<v Speaker 1>is happening regularly though, I mean, what are they trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do that's causing this? Yeah, well, I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing, right, I mean, when you go from

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<v Speaker 1>having dozens, if not hundreds of engineers working on something

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<v Speaker 1>to a very small group. You know, even just one

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<v Speaker 1>little change, one little bug, you have to detect it,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go and you have to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to push that change everyone like it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe only down for an hour, but it's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that might have gotten caught or fixed even

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<v Speaker 1>quicker had there been more bodies in the room, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think we're just seeing the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>price of all these cost cuts starting to happen to

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<v Speaker 1>the platform in terms of its reliability. Still a platform

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<v Speaker 1>that people are using. And then they're talking this about

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<v Speaker 1>on putting Westcote Wagner, Thank you very much. Thanks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, we'll bring you the latest in tech news

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<v Speaker 1>from China. As President Jijing Ping is emphasizing the country's

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<v Speaker 1>investment in the tech sector. That's all Next. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg time now for talking tech, and let's get over

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<v Speaker 1>to China. Baofan co founder of China Renaissance and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the tech industry's star bankers, has vanished his firmish

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<v Speaker 1>due to statement that he is cooperating in an unspecified investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>The banker's disappearance is sending shutters through China's corporate class

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of some pushback and some encouraging words from

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<v Speaker 1>state media. Meanwhile, President Jijingping is officially backing the tech sector.

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<v Speaker 1>In his opening remarks at the National People's Congress, he

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<v Speaker 1>said the country will take forceful measures to support the

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<v Speaker 1>development of high end manufacturing and emphasize the country's need

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<v Speaker 1>to ensure it's self reliance in technology and as part

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<v Speaker 1>of that grand projects, China also plans to create a

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<v Speaker 1>central agency to manage the flow of data within the

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<v Speaker 1>country and abroad that according to The Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>citing sources, Beijing intends to set up a new National

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<v Speaker 1>Data Bureau that will become the top overseer of data

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<v Speaker 1>related issues to strengthen its control over the valuable data

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<v Speaker 1>generated by swaths of the economy, including the internet industry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'med Ludlow in San Francisco. This is Bloomberg Technology now

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<v Speaker 1>the private company's space races taking shape after venture capital

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<v Speaker 1>firms spent more than six billion dollars on space related

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<v Speaker 1>tech last year. SpaceX continues to dominate the market for

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<v Speaker 1>lawn jan is growing its own constellation of starlink satellites,

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<v Speaker 1>but competition and customers are heating up between smaller players

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<v Speaker 1>like Astuanis and Andresen Horrowist Backs light Stop, most recently

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<v Speaker 1>valued at one point four billion dollars. Joining me now

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<v Speaker 1>is just trying to ceo. John Gedmark, Let's go back

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<v Speaker 1>to basics. Tell me about this company, because the reason

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<v Speaker 1>on your show is that you have this big moment.

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<v Speaker 1>A satellite is built and it's moving from just down

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<v Speaker 1>the road from where we're sitting now to Florida. Why yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for having me here on the show. So at Astronauts,

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<v Speaker 1>we built a new kind of satellite. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a microsatellite for higher orbits, starting with a special orbit

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<v Speaker 1>called geostation orbit. So this is an orbit where we

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<v Speaker 1>can put a satellite up into space and basically park

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<v Speaker 1>it over a country, providing continuous service with just that

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<v Speaker 1>one satellite. So that allows us to provide service at

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<v Speaker 1>very low cost compared to other types of satellite applications

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<v Speaker 1>and compared to certainly the old school satellites that have

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<v Speaker 1>come before. So today is a big day first because

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<v Speaker 1>we're launching our We just shipped our first satellite out

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<v Speaker 1>the door. Is arriving at Cape Canaveral as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and there it's going to be integrated onto a SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>rocket for its ride to space. We're just showing those

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<v Speaker 1>pictures on the screen of it being loaded into the

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<v Speaker 1>container back of a big reag and off it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it get to space? We're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>riding as a ride share on a Falcon heavy rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a big rocket. The zeri's eight set. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>SpaceX is looking at the week of April eighth, so

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a launch window. We'll have a more definitive

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<v Speaker 1>datas we get a little bit closer. Yeah, and in

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<v Speaker 1>this instance, this is a satellite that will provide capability

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<v Speaker 1>for a commercial customer, private sect customer rights. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have a private customer in the US state

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<v Speaker 1>of Alaska called Pacific Data Port. They're an internet service

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<v Speaker 1>provider there. We specialize at astronos in providing trunking and

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<v Speaker 1>back haul capacity, so more for enterprise customers and ISPs.

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<v Speaker 1>And this will actually be the first time that the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Alaska has had a satellite dedicated just for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So the satellite is it's not trying to cover all

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<v Speaker 1>of the US, it's not trying to cover all of

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<v Speaker 1>North America. It's actually just dedicated for that area of

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska and our customer there. And that's what we do

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<v Speaker 1>at Astronots. We put up dedicated satellites for our customers

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<v Speaker 1>and provide really brought really low cost broadband communications. John

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<v Speaker 1>one point four billion dollar evaluation in your last round,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have some big name back as they clearly

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<v Speaker 1>see potential in your business. This is just one satellite.

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<v Speaker 1>But is this revenue generating? Does this mark sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a substantive step forward for the business side of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing. Yeah. Absolutely, So this is a fantastic proofpoint

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Obviously this is our first satellite. They'll be

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<v Speaker 1>generating substantial revenue and recurring revenue on a on a

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<v Speaker 1>services basis, which is what we do, like a subscribe.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the model for you, I mean long term,

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<v Speaker 1>how to make money based on the satellites that you're building. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we put up these satellites, we own and operate them,

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<v Speaker 1>and we least capacity so gigabits a second on an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing lease spaces. So that's what we do for our customers.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have projects like that in work all over

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<v Speaker 1>the world US about what might be coming next, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have actually five satellites launching this year. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just the first one, and then we're spooling up our

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<v Speaker 1>satellite factory here in San Francisco as we speak, to

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<v Speaker 1>get to get to the point where we can build

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<v Speaker 1>actually two satellites a month, which is a huge production

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<v Speaker 1>scale for this type of satellite. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into production. But first he talked about the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cadence of satellites you how you to deployed for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the year. Are those SpaceX as well. We

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<v Speaker 1>have procured a dedicated launch on a SpaceX Falcon nine

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<v Speaker 1>for later this year for a four pack of satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be a first for us. This first time we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a whole dedicated rocket just for us, So that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be four of our satellites flying together on that just

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<v Speaker 1>us and nobody else. So first time we'll be moving

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<v Speaker 1>away from a rideshare launch and then for future launches.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, I guess we'll see from there. Well, what

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<v Speaker 1>was that experience, like, you know, doing business with space X.

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<v Speaker 1>How far in advance did you have to commit to

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<v Speaker 1>securing that file from nine launch classity? Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you typically buy these rockets pretty far in advance, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years in vance. Although they've been very flexible

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<v Speaker 1>with us, and I'd say, honestly, they've been a fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>partners as this new piece of space infrastructure that's been

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<v Speaker 1>opening up space for companies like ours and other applications

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<v Speaker 1>all over the space ecosystem. How much did it cost

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<v Speaker 1>you to secure that file in nine? Oh, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go into pricing here, but SpaceX

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<v Speaker 1>has I think, you know, all things being equal, the

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 1>rockets are incredibly affordable. Certainly, you look at what has

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<v Speaker 1>come before some of the old school rockets, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlas and Delta rockets that came before SpaceX. They

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<v Speaker 1>were unbelievably expensive on just a dollars per kilar basis.

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<v Speaker 1>So we found SpaceX to be incredibly affordable and they've

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<v Speaker 1>been a great partner for us. You know, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>one part of your business servicing private sector customers. The

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<v Speaker 1>other side is the public sector, right, and you have

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<v Speaker 1>existing relationships with the DoD or the military. How important

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<v Speaker 1>is that to you servicing what are basically public requirements

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<v Speaker 1>for connectivity in satellite pacity. Yeah, it's it's an incredibly

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>important mission. And you know, the world has changed, and

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<v Speaker 1>just the last year we saw a huge change in

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<v Speaker 1>the global dynamic and now we've realized just how important

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>it is to be able to serve these national security needs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, just to give you one example in the Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>when the Russians invaded, one of the very first things

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<v Speaker 1>they did, I think it was actually on day one

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<v Speaker 1>of the invasion, is they launched a massive cyber attack

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<v Speaker 1>against one of the very large geosatellites and they took

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<v Speaker 1>out this satellite in one fill swoop that was providing

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<v Speaker 1>broadband coms all over Ukraine. So you know, when something

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<v Speaker 1>like that happened, I mean that that was a real

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<v Speaker 1>turning point I think in our industry, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>the point of just how urgent a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>was for us to get better space infrastructure up and

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in place. It sounds like there is demand for your

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<v Speaker 1>satellite saying no, Obviously your restriction is how quickly you

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>can build them and deploy them into orbit. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a need to raise more funds to kind of bridge

0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that gap, either privately or going to public markets. Sure,

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean we're right now. We're heads down getting this

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<v Speaker 1>first satellite up and getting that to be successful. Certainly

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>there'll be plenty of room to have that conversation later

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<v Speaker 1>this year, after we get that up in operating, there'll

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.160
<v Speaker 1>be a big moment for us. All right, string John Gedmark,

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>good luck getting to orbit. Thank you for joining the program.

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Now coming up, A key tool of the crypto industry

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<v Speaker 1>is suspended as the silver Gate fallout continues. We'll discuss

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<v Speaker 1>all the next This is bloom bag. AI is real.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not not cryptone, that's not crypton. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a technology which is staggering and we're fully engaged. And

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the other thing you have to keep about AI you

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 1>need to be in the cloud to use the compute

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<v Speaker 1>power fundamentally that you need for AI, and so that's

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>why the cloud digital AII all kind of related that way.

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Some of JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Diamond's thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>AI speaking to the other British head, Ed Hammond, now

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<v Speaker 1>earning more about Microsoft's generative AI strategy to take on

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 1>the likes of Oracle and Salesforce, Microsoft plans to build

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 1>a copilot that can answer customer calls, summarize sales meetings,

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and build marketing pitches. Bloomberg's Rachel Mets is here to explain. Rachel,

0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>welcome now for the audience. This is Rachel's first day

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<v Speaker 1>at Bloomberg, long time artificial intelligence reporter, and while it's

0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 1>new to all of us, it's not new to Rachel's.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start with the basics. What on earth is

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<v Speaker 1>Microsoft talking about. It is wanting to use AI to

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<v Speaker 1>help companies do a whole range of tasks that could

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>be answering some customer service questions or using it for

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>campaigns like email based campaigns. It's going to be releasing

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<v Speaker 1>it in a preview version, and it sounds like quite

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<v Speaker 1>a number of companies are trying it out, or we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be trying it out. This is called Dynamics three six

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<v Speaker 1>five copilot. I don't want to put you on the spot,

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<v Speaker 1>but why do all of these tools have such ridiculous names?

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I wish I knew. A lot of the

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>time you hear a name for one of these and

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you're like, what does that even meaning? Like like Google's

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>barred no offense, and or like Meta going with Lama,

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>which is an acronym, But even so it raises a

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<v Speaker 1>serious point that you know. For a few weeks now

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and even longer for you, we've had a lot of

0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 1>folks on the show interested in generative AI. What's striking

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>is so many of them are quickly pointing to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the enterprise application rather than some of the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of consumer facing chat GPT things. What are you hearing

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<v Speaker 1>about why enterprise is such a key battleground for AI?

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think if we look at technology over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, enterprise is a great space because that's where

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>money tends to be from the start, right if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to popularize the technology. A lot of the time

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it is companies that are willing to make those initial investments,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and that's where you're going to be getting recurring revenue

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:55.600
<v Speaker 1>as well, So it's probably a good place to start. Finally,

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>what's on your radar? Day one at Bloomberg covering our

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>special intelligence What are you kind of looking at at

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the moment. Oh gosh. I mean everybody is looking at

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:07.400
<v Speaker 1>chat GBT and chat barts in general right now. As

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>we know, they're not brand new, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be seeing I think a lot more of that, and

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>generative content in general. Images videos are slowly, maturely coming

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>on the horizon, or should say quickly at this point,

0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 1>so it should be an interesting year for generated content.

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<v Speaker 1>Day one done, check check check. You can follow Rachel

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>at Rachel Mets on Twitter Bloombo's Rachel Mets, Thank you

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>very much. Let's turn to crypto, which just lost a

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>key piece of financial plumbing for moving money in the industry.

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Silvergate Capital's exchange network has been suspended. There's the crypto

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>bank frankly struggles to survive. Here to explain why that matters.

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And again Bloombog Shinali Basset shares under pressure this Monday.

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Listen? Shares are further under pressure. Nothing

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>like we saw last week ed when that going concern

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>warning was brought up, a regulatory filing. But what is

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>happening now? You see banking partners, you see exchange partners,

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you see more of the industry having distanced themselves in

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>recent days from Silvergate, the closure of the Silvergate exchange

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>network here the halting of this. Listen, Silvergate itself used

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to bring in deposits this way. It was essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>way for the industry to almost instantaneously send money denominated

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<v Speaker 1>in US dollars and europe sorry euros through what was

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>known as SEN. It was really an essential piece of

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>plumbing in the crypto industry. It's not really shocking now

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to see this step back in such a drastic way

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<v Speaker 1>because we are talking about Silvergate here, which is almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a commercial bank. It's a consumer bank that has

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<v Speaker 1>advances from the federal homeloan bank and who operates under

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<v Speaker 1>the jurisdiction of any typical bank in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Would It's just there are just dozens of headlines on

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<v Speaker 1>the boom bag terminal, the pension silver Gate to start

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<v Speaker 1>the week. How did the bank get into this mess? Listen. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>so SEN was handling like a couple hundred thousand worth

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.720
<v Speaker 1>of transfers in the last couple of years and things

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>started to come under pressure. Last year. Remember they bought

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of a stable coin business that Facebook was

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>working on. They had to delay that as well. You

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<v Speaker 1>saw Silvergate go from two hundred twenty two dollars under

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.560
<v Speaker 1>pressure for real. But then you saw FTX happen and

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<v Speaker 1>FTX had say, less than ten percent of its deposit

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>base at silver Gate, so it was as meaningful client,

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>but less than ten percent of the total, and all

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, problems started to exacerbate. The industry became

0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 1>more concerned, and then that deposit pulling happened at a

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>faster rate after that November event from FTX. Bloomberg has

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<v Speaker 1>also reported about the investigations that now Silvergate is under

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>as well because of its relationship with sam Bank and Freed,

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<v Speaker 1>so investigations underway as well as a financial problem here

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>with deposits being reined in, and you have Silvergate fighting

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<v Speaker 1>a two frong war here when it looks at how

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it maps out its path forward. I bring this point

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<v Speaker 1>up again that I made to you last week, that

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about silver Gates issues for weeks, months actually,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and it continues to get worse and be a surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the caution retail? I thought, actually first time

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>around a few weeks ago, it was a caution retail.

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>What is it now? Listen, people have certainly had their

0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>eyes on silver Gates since the FTX debacle had blown up.

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>But now you have the White House even saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they're aware of the situation and looking at the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>And it goes back to that point that I was

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>making ed that this is a bank like any other bank.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part of the traditional financial system that took

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a chance on the crypto industry and now has to

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>sell assets very cheaply just to pay advances from the

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 1>federal home loan bank system. So you are looking at

0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>this firm where regulators gave it a pass to enter

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 1>the crypto industry, and through its own potential missteps as

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>well as broader industry issues here, you have a lot

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>of questions among regulators about whether they will allow this

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing again. So it's about confidence in the

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>future from US banking regulators as well as silver Gate

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>itself and the removal of critical infrastructure for the crypto

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>industry that enables so much trading to happen. BLUEMOTIONALI basse

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>just terrific reporting constantly on top of this story. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Grinder reporting is fourth quarter earnings rising revenue year over year.

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<v Speaker 1>They're adjusted a bit, dat fell by about four million dollars.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Some of the other headlines top line growth of forty

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>one in twenty twenty two. It's forecasting top line growth

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent or greater in twenty twenty three. Let's

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 1>bring in the CEO, George Harrison for more. You see

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>there the stockdown almost eight percent. George, your was just wrapped.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there something that the street's getting wrong? Well, I

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>don't really pay much attention to what the stock does

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>on in any given day. That's not where we should focus.

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>We're in here for the long Hauld building I really

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.320
<v Speaker 1>awesome company for our users to use and creating a

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.839
<v Speaker 1>lot of shareholder value core stockholders over the long term.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think the company had a really amazing year

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 1>last year, you know from financials and or engagement metrics,

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>when we had one hundred and eleven billion chat in

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>one year, it's really incredible, and I think we're set

0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>up for a relief hypacit year this year. I've continued

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to really drive a lot of growth in the business

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 1>with very strongly but the for the year one of

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the best in classy bit of frankly, and I continue

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to really focus on building a really great product. You talk,

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot on the earning score, and at least

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.240
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the earning score about your international users,

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm really interested in that. How big is the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for you globally and in maybe some markets that

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>we discuss less here on blom Bow Technology. Yeah, I mean,

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 1>Grinder is a very pat of product. Obviously, we are

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>very big in the United States and in some of

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the developing developed world, like in Europe, but we also

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of users all over the world, in

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ninety countries around the world, and a

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of these countries society is changing the same way

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>that being LGBTQ today in the US is a lot

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>more acceptant than as say, twenty years ago. Parts of

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the world are now going to that same change today,

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be a huge secular tale Grinder

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>as we scale in the future, because there are countries

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>now that are on the vergion, for example Magic Quality.

0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:37.439
<v Speaker 1>After that Grinder will be a bigger presence in those

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>countries inevitably, and so that's something that we're very much

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>excited about to take advantage of. And Grind has always

0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>been a kind of important connective tissue or gay by

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>and trans users, and it will continue to be in

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these countries in the years to come.

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>A big theme for the industry in recent months has

0:36:55.520 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>been the premium tier of subscription. Many of the platform

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>forms experimenting with pretty high prices, right I know that

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you also talk about premium the removal of ads as

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>an example, But how big a strategy is that for you?

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Is there demand for kind of a higher end product

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>right now? So for us, I think it's both lower

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:20.680
<v Speaker 1>end and higher Because grinders historically had two price points

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 1>and nineteen nine nine price point and thirty ninety nine

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 1>price point. The nineteen nine nine price point is probably

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a little bit too high for a set of our users,

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't make sense to have that be the

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>entry point. So offering something on the lower end as

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<v Speaker 1>the entry point, maybe with less adds than a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of additional feature to some people really want us to do.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear that from users directly, we hear it in

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<v Speaker 1>our research, and then on the higher end there's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity. I think the reality is that finding the

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<v Speaker 1>long term mate if you're gay or your buy is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot harder than the US face persons and So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of really awesome mL based matching that

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<v Speaker 1>we can do across the world or in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States country as you're in, that is not available to

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<v Speaker 1>you today, and I think people will be more willing

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a higher price for that. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>not be surprised if we do something on the lower

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<v Speaker 1>end and we also do something on the higher end.

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<v Speaker 1>What's so interesting about Grinder, George, is the LGBTQ database essentially, right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about your users globally, I know you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about artificial intelligence and machine learning on the call.

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<v Speaker 1>How well positioned do you think you are to leverage

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<v Speaker 1>those tools to boost the top and bottom line? But

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<v Speaker 1>we have incredible data about our users, right. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, there are one hundred and eleven billion chat

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<v Speaker 1>messages sent and Grinder last year. That's an incredible database

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<v Speaker 1>of user behavior and what they want. We haven't really

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<v Speaker 1>built anything to take advantage of all the information yet,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of really great mL, machine learning

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>and artificial intensure they can deploy, whether it's for generative

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<v Speaker 1>purposes to help users compose the right messages or from

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<v Speaker 1>matching perspective, matching people better and helping them find the

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<v Speaker 1>right relationships, or from the customer service perspective, managing the

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<v Speaker 1>product to have less spam and less you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>real profiles through mL. These are all huge opportunities and

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<v Speaker 1>something that will be investing resources into in the quarters

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<v Speaker 1>to come. George, real quick, have you spoken to open

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<v Speaker 1>AI as an example? You know, people are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find tools for them and get moving on this. Who

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>are you talking to We've not spoken to them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to try to build as much as we

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<v Speaker 1>can on our own, but there's some really awesome companies

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<v Speaker 1>out there doing really cool things in AI and suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>partnering with them as a possibility for us, But long term,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd want to own all the AI we do ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>because that's a proprietary people grinder. We're also super conscious

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<v Speaker 1>about our users data. We have a lot of users,

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<v Speaker 1>why they discrete and we need to get private with

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<v Speaker 1>their information, and so we generally tend to do more

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:53.439
<v Speaker 1>things internally and then externally. Grinders CEO George Arrison, straight

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<v Speaker 1>off the call, thank you so much for your Thank

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