WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 3/12: Analyzing Patriots Reported Moves, NFL Draft Talk 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.440 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:12.400 Lazar and Alex bar Blazar Lazar, everybody nailed it. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.800 He joined as always by our Bara. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.919 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.079 Because I can't quit. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.079 Yeah, my Tes Johnson love. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.200 He tested exactly the same as Tantut. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:30.440 But he didn't he did. He didn't. He did he 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.040 did not because he didn't he did. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:35.919 He ran a four or five one. Tant Del ran 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:36.760 a four four nine. 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.680 That's different. Take out tank dell to hundredths of the 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:46.640 that's what the combine is. That's absolutely tank tank tank. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:50.720 Deel's also are twelve pounds heavier. Tes Johnson, they showed 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:51.239 it was. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:52.760 He was on my downs list. You don't have to 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.720 ran this on my. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.000 Don list player in the history of the combine. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:02.360 It was not good. Oh it was not good, but 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.120 you know it was good. It was a good couple 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.720 days for the Patriots. It was a I have a 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.440 little pep in my step today and I thought it 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.880 was a really solid start. I'm not going to come 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.800 in here and blow too much smoke and say that 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.440 it was like this unbelievable A plus first day of 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.880 free agency, but I would call it a really solid start. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.480 I'm pleased with what the Patriots have done so far 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.839 and I'm excited about it. So we're gonna talk about 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.000 it here today, Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.920 two for the next couple of hours, and I want 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.640 to go player by player and give our takes on 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.280 each individual player. But I obviously want to start big 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.679 picture first and talk about our overall thoughts of really 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.200 what's been one day, because they haven't really done much. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.520 I think there's some things that are balls up in 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.720 the air that maybe they're waiting to see where they 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.120 fall to start a second wave here, Cooper Cup, we'll 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.320 get to that and we'll camp. Yeah, we'll get to 0:01:58.360 --> 0:01:59.120 that in a little bit. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.040 The show would be great. If they're listening up stairs, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:03.920 you want to give us some reacting during the show, 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:05.040 appreciate that. 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.040 The next two hours. We'll yeah, sooner the better, and 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.080 we'll keep morel here a little bit longer if it 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.120 happens in LA or we'll keep it going anyways. I 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:18.200 think my big picture thought on the free agency so far, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.800 and I feel like everybody that's commenting on this so 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.040 far is putting in the caveat of they still need 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.960 the wide receiver, and they still need the left tackle, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.560 and I think we're all aware of that. But I 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.400 look at what they've done on defense and think two things. One, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:42.919 I'm really glad that they didn't ignore how just bad 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.480 I'm just trying to find the right word, wasn't good 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.920 on defense last year. And anybody that thought it was 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.000 just an offensive minded free agency or off season that 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.320 all they needed to do was out on offense, I 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.760 don't think that that was really looking at it objectively 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.640 of just how that defense fell apart, especially upfront and 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:05.919 in the middle, right just right down the spine of 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.520 the defense. When you talk about into your defensive line play, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.000 linebacker play, safety play, it just wasn't good enough on 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.160 any level last year. At times we came in here 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.840 every single week and did three up, three down. And 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.200 how many times did I just lament about the linebacker 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.320 play last year, And just how those linebackers once Bentley 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.640 went out, just didn't make any plays at the second 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.240 level of the defense, didn't get golf blocks, didn't make tackles, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:38.160 just didn't make any plays. So you add a game 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.120 wrecking three technique with Milton Williams. You had an edge 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.360 defender that's stout and plays their style football, can get 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.000 up the field a little bit. And Harold Landry and 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.960 my guy Robert Splaine is one of my favorite signings 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.920 of this whole class because that is a tackling machine. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.840 Like this guy is always around the ball, He's always 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.360 going to make tackles. He's always going to do that. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.880 Carlton Davis out on the perimeter kind of shores up 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:06.640 that cornerback room, you know, puts everybody where they're supposed 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.440 to be at the cornerback spot. So my big picture 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:13.440 takeaway is that I'm someone and I'm going to give 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.600 credit to all three. The Big three is what I 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.920 like to call them. Vrabel, Cowed, and Wolf looked at 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.040 that defensive side of the ball and in my mind, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.400 understood the flaws and understood where they needed to address 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:28.960 the roster on that side of the football. So they 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.760 made calculated moves. They made moves for guys that fit. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.160 They make moves for guys that play a certain way. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:41.040 And that is encouraging because I feel like someone is 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.440 looking at this like a like a football guy and 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.799 recognizing that these are these were our holes on defense. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.919 This is how we fix it. Let's go out and 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.560 execute a plan to do so on the first day 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.159 of free agency. So long way to go on the 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.400 offensive side of the ball. But that's encouraging that we 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.159 are not to throwing money at big names or you know, 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.599 we're gonna sign the top three defense of free agents 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.120 because that's what we need. No, they they made some 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.760 really nice, calculated moves to upgrade this defense. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.720 Yeah, I'd agree with that. I they didn't address the 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.640 big the two biggest needs, but I think they've done 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.359 a good job of checking off so far. The majority 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:20.560 of the other boxes they you know, left tackling wide 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:22.280 receivers still the big ones. The other one i'd put 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.880 out there is guard and then safety. But you know, 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.719 people are gonna compare it to twenty twenty one. Twenty 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.880 twenty one. Maybe there was more overall talent, but that 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.800 was more of just a blunt approach. If we're just 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.000 gonna go out and sign player after player after player, 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.520 and you know how much consideration was there A fit 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:40.840 Some guys worked, some guys didn't. To your point, I 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.240 think every guy they signed, it's it's a very targeted 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.839 like you can project the role instantly for every single 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:48.800 one of these guys. We kind of wondered, you know, 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.200 where's John new Smith gonna fit. How's he gonna play. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.640 Jalen Mills, you're gonna play corners, You're gonna play safety. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.279 And you know you can have a couple of guys 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.680 that you maybe want experiment with. That's fine, But early 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:02.720 on they needed a guy. You know, best case scenario, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.919 wrecking tandem in the middle, worst case scenario, if they 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.040 don't have bar More, they have that guy who can 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.920 penetrate from the inside, which they need to play the 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.960 style of defense. They got a guy who plays their 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.400 style on the edge. They got a bigger, physical man 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.520 corner on the outside. I know we talked about zone 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.680 last week. I think we maybe need to rehab that 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.960 rehab that conversation. They needed a guy who plays sideline 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.640 aside on the linebacker position. Got that, got one of 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.440 the tackles they needed, like it all just all five 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.839 or six, just instant boom, spot them starters, even kiris Tanga, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.480 who's not the biggest name and who knows how much 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.320 he'll play. But after trading Davon Gotschad, they needed a 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:39.719 guy who's just gonna sit and you can put on 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.880 the field on second and one or third and one 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:43.440 sitting down in the middle and have them stop the 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.839 run and boom, he plugs right into that role. So 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.160 I think it was a very disciplined approach. Mike rabel 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:51.960 I think it was Rabeler Wolf one of them said 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.039 at the combine, We're not going to sign players just 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.800 to sign players, right. They talked about getting aggressive but 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:01.280 not being reckless. I thought they walked that line perfectly. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.800 And when they were maybe gonna lose out on Milton 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.400 Williams just based on how the reporting went, they kind 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.800 of went back in and you saw that aggressiveness turn up, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.080 but they didn't go all out on players that they 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:13.120 didn't need to go all out on. 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.560 Yeah, I agreed. And you mentioned Carlton Davis and maybe 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.280 talking a little bit more about them still playing a 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.560 lot of man'sonman coverage, which I agree with, But I 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.240 also just look at Carlton Davis and how long have 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.480 we been saying, you know, Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Miles 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.200 Bryant when he was here, good players, but just not 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.000 outside corners, right like they need to be playing the slot. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.400 They don't have the size, they don't have that ability 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.480 to go up against you know, those outside guys. They 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.600 get a guy like Carlton Davis in here, and again 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.760 it's not just the player, it's also the skill set 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.320 of the player. You know he has he's six foot one, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:53.600 he's two hundred pounds, he has an incredible length in wingspan. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.800 I think he's ninety fifth percentile in the wingspan when 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.400 he came out of the draft. So you have a 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:03.280 body type now that projects to fit well on the outside, 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.960 opposite of Christian Gonzales. So again, you know, they recognized 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:12.120 we have slot corners playing outside, and those guys are competitive, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.960 and those guys are feisty cover corners. So they've held 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.280 their own to their credit. But this obviously isn't how 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:22.160 it should be. Like we're playing these guys out of position. 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.880 And so you go out there and you sign Carlton Davis, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.160 and now Marcus Jones projects as a slot. Maybe you 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.000 do bring Jonathan Jones back here still on a reasonable 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.120 contract and play him at nickel or safety or something 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.360 like that in the middle of the field, and everybody 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.880 just back there kind of starts to fit where they're 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.040 supposed to be, so that was it was encouraging that 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.040 they were able to identify their holes on defense and 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.360 go out and sign guys that fill those holes. You know, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.760 Harold Landry left defensive end, Milton Williams three technique, Carlon 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.640 Davis number two corner, Splaine. I think they're going to 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.680 try to play Splain and Bentley next to each other 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.440 on early downs. I don't know for a fact if 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.680 that's going to be the case, but if I had 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.760 to guess, I would say that the plan would be 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.040 to play both those guys on the field together. Not 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.040 Splain replacing Bentley, but Bentley and Splain as a duo. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.600 So we'll see how that all works out. You mentioned 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.040 you know Morgan Moses, and I think it's similar. Morgan 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.120 Moses is going to be your right tackle next year. 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.840 You have that spot filled at least for the twenty 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.560 twenty five season, and you know, there's a long way 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.320 to go on that offensive line. It's probably the biggest 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.400 concern I have right now. Still. I think they're down 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.960 let's call it, two starters at least, and then there's 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.280 obviously a decent amount of you know, stuff out there 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:45.200 about what's going to happen at center and what's not 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.600 going to happen at center, So we'll see what transpires there. 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.560 But your at least two thoughts still to fill at 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.480 left guard and left tackle, so we can get to 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.959 that here in a minute as well. And we'll take 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.840 your phone calls eight five to five p that's five hundred, 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.760 and you can reach out on email too at podcasts 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.280 at Patriots dot com if you'd like to do that 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.640 as well. But I want to go through all these 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.400 free agents that they the additions by just go one 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.560 by one as we tend to do on this show 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.320 and get really into it. So let's go in order 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.920 of just sort of you know when they were signed 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.920 if you will a little bit here. So obviously the 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.600 first one is is Harold Landry on Sunday night, as 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.920 we're all on our couches probably not thinking that anything 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.959 is going to happen until the morning, they sign Harold 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.800 Landry to a three year deal. And you know, this 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.880 one's obvious. Big connections with Rabel goes back away as 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.800 a draft. Rabel draft pick is very first draft in Tennessee, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.520 second round, second round pick for the Titans. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:50.880 After Shan Evans was their first round pick. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.080 That ye right, it sounds right. He doesn't Harold landers 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.800 you know, his his pass rush win rate. I know 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.480 that's a number that's going around a lot from PFS. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.680 PFF is pretty harsh on it. Sounds like ESPN's is 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.880 a little bit nicer. But neither one of them are 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.320 glowing about his season last year in terms of pass 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:14.040 rush productivity. You hope that maybe that was scheme related. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.920 You know, he was in a different scheme for the 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.240 first time in his career. Now that he goes back 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.040 to playing with Rabel and Terrell Williams, maybe he goes 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.960 back to being a productive player in the pass rush. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.120 But I think the number one thing that stands out 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.280 to me with Harold Landry is the run defense is 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.559 really solid, A really good run defender, but a different style, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.880 not an Anthony Jennings style. I wouldn't say he's a 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.240 guy that can get up the field, that can you know, 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.800 shoot gaps and really set the edge by getting a 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.199 downhill at the line of scrimmage and use that burst 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.960 in that bend that he has to make plays in 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.360 the backfield. And I would also say in the pass rush, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.280 if you're counting on the fact that you're gonna get 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.480 a lot of interior pressure up the middle. Then he's 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.480 someone that I do think can kind of clean up. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.520 Like I don't know if he's necessarily at this stage 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:02.800 of his career going to be a one on one 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.880 winner that's going to get sacks all on his own, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.920 But if Milton Williams is pushing the quarterback towards Harold 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.000 Andry's side of the line of scrimmage, I think that 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.200 he can be the guy that gets the quarterback actually 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:13.800 on the ground. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.800 Yeah. Good complimentary rusher, good secondary rusher, and they needed that. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.160 Now you may say, well, okay, who's the primary That's 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.320 what we still need to wait and see, and maybe 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.360 that guy comes in the draft, Maybe that guy comes 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.800 next year. We all knew they weren't getting get everything 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.440 in year one, but a good solid piece in the defense. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.520 I meant to say this in the opening take, like this, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:34.800 we talked a lot about the Commanders model. That's what 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.240 this is. A guy that's not a superstar, but he's 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.080 going to give you kind of a floor and he 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.679 will help just kind of shore up that defensive front 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.760 and just raise the level by being steady and consistent. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:48.480 Yeah, that's a great point, and I wanted to pull 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.320 up and we can do it in a second. The 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.240 Commander's free agency last season. Now, the Commanders didn't go 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.240 out and make a Milton Williams signing at the top 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:59.920 top of the market, but a lot of these guys, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.800 the Landryes, the Davis's, you know, these mid level to 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.040 to you know, let's call it mid level to maybe 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.439 you know, three quarters level if you want free agents 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.240 where a lot of what the Commanders did, you know, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.480 they signed a lot of those types of guys. 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:18.080 Uh. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:19.400 I think that does it. 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:20.079 With Landry. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.480 I think we you know, kind of got that covered. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.240 Milton Williams is obviously the big piece, you know, just 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:30.000 get right to him. I think that with this defense 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.680 and with this scheme and what they're gonna try to 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.200 do with Rabel and be more aggressive. You know, he's 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.640 to use that word multiple times to describe how they 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:40.680 want to play defense, especially on the defensive line. Aggressive play. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.400 On the other side of the line of scrimmage, the 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.400 three technique or the player that lines up over the 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.800 outside shade of the guard right is Jeffrey Simmons in Tennessee. 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.760 It's a massive, massive role to fit this whole puzzle together. 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.800 A game wrecker that can defeat blocks in the run 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.320 game and make splash plays in the run game and 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.200 get after the passer. If you're going to run this 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.880 kind of system, you need the interior penetration. You need 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.480 those guys that can do that. So I can totally 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.800 understand and I express some of my doubts or you know, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.760 just concerns about Milton Williams before free agency, because you know, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.800 when you play on that defensive line in Philadelphia next 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.640 to Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Josh Sweed, Jordan Davis, you 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.840 do worry about if it's going to continue when those 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.520 guys aren't around you, right, and you don't have Jalen Carter, 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.800 especially on the interior and he only played fifty percent 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.160 of the snaps last year in Philly. When you pay 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.800 a guy this kind of money, he's going to play 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.760 a lot more here than that. But with that being said, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.480 the role in the defense that he's going to play 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.800 is extremely important in this system, and he can play it. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.560 He definitely has a tape that he can play it 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.280 at a high level. And they clearly made this a 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.600 non negotiable, like we have to walk out of free 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.960 agency with Milton Williams. And I think a lot of 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:01.920 that goes back to the type of defense they want 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:02.400 to play. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.160 Well, and I think ideally you have two of those guys, 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.640 yeah right, in him and Christian Barmore, and that's going 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.000 to be among the best defensive tackle duos in the 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.360 National Football League. Yeah, we'll see where they're at with Barmore. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.960 It kind of sounds like nothing definitive has been made 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.520 of that yet and doesn't need They don't need to 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.120 make a definitive decision right now, right, So it's not surprising. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.040 But if you get those two guys going in the 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.000 middle and with Landry coming off the edge, and you know, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.600 you maybe throw a Day two draft pick in there, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.000 completely reworked front, night and day from where they were 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:35.680 at last year. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.760 It's extremely athletic too. Just I know some of those 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.000 guys are a little bit older, like Landry, so maybe 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.760 this doesn't quite apply. But if you go back to 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.720 look at all these guys in the combine, they're all 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.680 elite athletic testers. Out of the combine, Landry, Milton Williams, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.200 we should mention Keon White you know, another guy, high 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.720 end athlete, bar More, high end athlete. So all this 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:04.560 sud in a front that was typically space eating, you know, 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.160 run stuffers like Devon Godshaw's of the world. Now all 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.000 of a sudden, he's got a bunch of athletes that 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.840 get up the field. So you can see the vision 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.880 of what they're trying to build in that respect as well. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.400 Look at Milton Williams. I see a lot of the 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.000 same style of pass rush moves when we talked so 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.520 much about Mason Graham and the draft. Very violent with 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.280 his hands, likes to use his swipe, likes to use 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.480 an arm over. To compliment that he can bull rush. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.320 I don't think it's his number one go to, but 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.160 he can do it if you want him to try 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.080 to push the pocket up the middle. And then at 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.920 two ninety is his quickness in the run game is 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.240 really stands out. You know, he's got that ability to 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.960 just cross over and you know, get on the edges 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.320 quickly and get into gaps quickly, and guys on the 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.400 offensive line just don't get over there quick enough to 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.680 like overtake those blocks. So that's all over his tape. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.200 Fantastic playoff run for Philadelphia yea last year as well. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.400 So this is a guy that performed well in the 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.360 biggest moments for the Eagles last year. So a lot 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.439 of pros about the player. I just you know, I'll 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.000 keep on saying it. I just I hope that it's 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.200 not a product the Jalen Carter. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.760 We'll see it's a lot. That's that's gonna be the 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.199 big question. You know, he's gonna he only played what 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.320 about fifty percent of snaps in Philly, right, so he's 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.919 gonna be playing a bigger role here. How does he 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.720 adjust to that? And that's why. Look, Christian Barmore is 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.600 not Jalen Carter, but again, you get the two of 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.680 them together, and that's going to be something I think 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:30.720 that could be really special. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.440 Yeah, And I do wonder too if if Kean White 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.880 is in more of a rotational role and he's kind 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.840 of like a third down interior pass rusher type of guy, 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.080 and maybe he even goes into in terms of snap 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.560 count and stuff like that, and even where he's rushing, 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:50.080 like into what Millan Williams was last year for Philadelphia, right, Like, 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.600 you know, someone that is only playing fifty to fifty 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.760 five percent of the snaps, but is really effective rushing 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.760 the passers. So if it's not bar More, that's get 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.879 that's eating, you know, when Milon Williams gets double teamed, 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.960 or Williams eating when Barmore gets double team Like, maybe 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.640 that's key on White next year. Is the guy that's 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.080 getting all the one on ones with Milton Williams in 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.680 the middle. Carlon Davis, I know this is your favorite signing. Yeah, bunch, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:15.840 You've been a big Carlon Davis. 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.320 I've been telling you that he made sense. You know, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.000 they needed size on the boundary, they needed physicality on 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.520 the boundary. And I'm not gonna lie when you said 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.640 and I don't think you're necessarily wrong in the point 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.920 you were making, But when you said that, it felt 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.520 like maybe they were gonna go a little more zone 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.879 heavy on defense. I was kind of disappointed. Yeah, Like, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.600 I just think that. Look, I think if everybody could 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.280 play man all the time, they would. I think man's better, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.280 but it's also a lot harder to execute, and that's 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.479 why teams don't do it as much. But if you 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.280 can play man heavy with your corners, I think there's 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.840 a massive advantage in being able to do that. And 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:52.320 they now have two solid, really like, that's one of 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.680 the better cornerback duels in the league. Two good, really 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.719 good man corners on the outside, guys that you can 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.000 kind of pick and choose your matt ups. Gonzalez is 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.640 a little more athletic, little more agile, a little more crafty. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.879 Davis can do that stuff, but I would categorize him 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.399 as more of a bully. And the other thing is, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.280 and let's not lose sight of this. Everybody talks about 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.960 all right, well they you know, Milton Williams, Harold Landry, Kiris, Tonga, Robertsplane, 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.399 like they worked on the front, they worked on the rush. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.560 Carlton Davis I would put him in that category two 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.600 because in theory, if you have Gonzales and Davis on 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.520 the outside, you should be picking up more coverage sacks. Now, right, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.359 those two, those two guys are Davis with Gonzalez. Adding 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.639 Davis to Gonzalez helps the pass rush as well. So 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.480 I just think, not just a good player, it's not 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.440 so much. I think Carlton Davis is an unbelievable player. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.880 I think he's a really solid player. But what he does, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.240 what his skill sets are, what he brings also a 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:51.080 guy that has won at a high level, won a 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.399 chip with the Bucks, made a run last year with 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.120 the Lions. Kind of running out of those guys. Only 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:58.760 have five guys left here who won a Super Bowl here, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:00.479 and we haven't had to think about this in New 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.119 England for a long time, but this is what the 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.560 other thirty one franchise had to do for years. You 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:05.960 kind of want to have a guy or two in 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.160 the room who's won a Super Bowl just to kind 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.160 of give that experience. Obviously, they still have a few left. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.480 But Carlton Davis, the guy, he's won at a high level. 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:15.760 He plays physically, he plays on the outside. He gives 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.560 them size, he gives them physicality. The way he fits right, 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.879 the way he fits what they need to me. Makes 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.920 a good player, a great signing because he's gonna make 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.480 It's gonna help Christian Zales, it's gonna help the pass rush. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.720 Like he just kind of elevates what they already had 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:32.160 in place. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.159 Yeah, physical corner, pressman corner. Yeah, really good at the 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.560 line of scrimmage. You know, he has great length and 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.320 physicality to just smother releases in press man and make 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.640 receivers work through contact. And all that good stuff. First 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.040 and second level routes are really tough against him. He's 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.879 really good at those, especially in breakers. You know, if 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.720 you're gonna run a slant, you're gonna run a dig, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.080 You're gonna have to finish through some contact and make 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:58.399 some contested catches against the guy like Carlon Davis. His 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.359 one other than Durabil over the years has been up 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.560 and down. He doesn't have great long speed, so he 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.400 can get beat deep sometimes. But when you have Christian 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.800 Gonzalez on the other side, like maybe the safety help 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.840 goes to the Carlon Davis a little bit more often. 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.320 And this is where I'd like to see them ad 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:15.640 that true free safety. Yeah, on the back end, because 0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:18.640 if you can allow both Gonzalese and Davis to play 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.560 more aggressive in the shorter intermediate, you're gonna turn two 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.119 guys who are primarily locked down corners maybe into kind 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:24.680 of ball hooks. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.160 Yeah. So I watched I watched a couple games of Davis's, 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.120 but I watched him against Christian Watson with the Packers 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.040 because I wanted to see him against a real speed receiver. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.520 It's a tough matchup for a guy like him. And 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.600 he did really really well outside of two plays, but 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:43.119 those two plays went for like sixty yards apiece. Because 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.000 he does sometimes lose some of those foot races down 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.399 the field. You know, Watson ran by him on a 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.720 go ball on one and then you know a crossing 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.240 route where he got caught up in some traffic. I'll 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.400 give him that, but you know, just going across the field, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.600 those types of foot races can be a little bit tough, 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.119 especially if he's playing off coverage and not playing up 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:02.520 on the line of scrimmage where you can get his 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.320 hands on guys. The go ball was like soft press, 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.359 so he wasn't really jamming, he was just kind of 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.760 mirroring and and Watson ran by him. So if you 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:15.080 manage his matchups though, and you put him against you know, 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.600 the bigger bodied guys, or you put him against the 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.800 guys that aren't quite as dynamic down the field, and 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:24.600 Gonzalez he's just, you know, can run with anybody, and 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.040 runs with Tyreek Hill, so he can run with anybody. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.040 You know, he covers the true speed guy, then you're 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.439 in good shape. And it's not exactly the same, but 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.760 it kind of reminds me of Revis and Browner, where 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.520 like Revis was, you know, this guy that could cover 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:39.959 anybody he wanted, and I think Christian Gonzalez is that 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.040 type of dude, and Browner was just that physical you know, 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:46.520 jam and macnidean type of player. And as long as 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:50.080 you kept Browner in the right matchups, he was really 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:52.159 really effective. And I think the same thing is going 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.199 to be true with Carlton Davis. 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:55.439 So I love it. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.760 I love the size on the outside, I love the 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.840 physicality he brings, the edge that he brings. This is 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.959 what they've been missing for multiple years now at that 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.600 second cornerback spot, Gonzo's rookie year. I'd be really going 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.280 back to twenty twenty two. I would say they've been 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:16.080 playing Miles Bryant, Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones out on the 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.200 boundary at of necessity. So they have a guy now 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.080 in Carlton Davis that belongs out there, that belongs playing 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:24.960 in that spot. So that's exciting. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:26.600 And when they face some of these faster teams, like 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:29.000 we'll see what happens with Jonathan Jones, it still mix. 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.320 Maybe that's a game where Carlton Davis plays a little less, 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.320 Jonathan Jones plays a little more, they get another speedier corner 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.439 on the outside, is kind of an alternate to Carlton 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.080 Davis like they have they had They didn't need a 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:41.879 lot of corners, They just needed one guy to slot 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.520 everybody incorrectly. Bring Jonathan Jones back or some other speedier 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.239 you know, backup slot corner, and now you're in good 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.120 shape and you have a ton of options with how 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:51.160 you want to pick your matchups. 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.720 Right, they have Marcus Jones under contract, and I like, 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.280 just let's call for what it is. We're really talking 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.359 about Miami, right, And like when you go up against 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.239 Miami and you have Tyrak Kill and Jalen Wattle, we 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.200 know Gonzales can stay with Tyreek Hill, so he's probably 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.199 gonna cover Hill. Does Marcus Jones cover Jalen Wattle in 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.600 that matchup instead of Carlton Davis. I love the idea 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:14.960 potentially of Carlton Davis then playing more of like a 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:17.520 nickel role in that kind of game. Yeah, and having 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.159 some size inside when they go twelve personnel, they go heavy. 0:24:21.200 --> 0:24:23.120 And that's another thing about Davis. He's really good against 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:23.440 the run. 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.560 Yeah, you can play him against the run. He can 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.600 play tight ends like potentially like receiving tight ends. Like 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:31.120 I think that he has a size and the ability 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.920 to guard those types of players too inside, So maybe 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:37.119 in those types of matchups they move him around a 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:40.000 little bit to get him off of those speedy receivers. 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.960 I think that that could really be huge for them 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.879 if that's what they're able to do and those types 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:50.160 of things. All right, Robert Splane probably my favorite signing. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:53.439 I know it sounds that's weird for me to be 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:57.479 that into an inside linebacker, but the linebacker play on 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:00.399 this team last year just drove me bananas. Yeah, I 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:02.920 just would pull my hair out every single Monday watching 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.320 the film back of their linebacker play last year. And 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.440 Spalane is one of those guys that just is all 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:11.879 over the ball all the time. I mean, he had 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:13.679 one hundred and fifty six tackles last year, and I 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.359 know tackles. Some people don't like the stat anymore, but 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.040 you don't make one hundred and fifty tackles by accident, right, Like, 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.560 if you're around the ball that much, good things are 0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:25.920 happening when you're out there. Really underrated run defender, he's 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.800 sneaky good in zone coverage, like he's kind of got 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.360 like a nose for the football. Is five picks over 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.080 the last two years, mostly in zone coverage. 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.360 I think he had seventy nine pass breakups last year. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.359 Yeah, I wouldn't put him in Manton man against like 0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.119 tough assignments like if you have a pass catching running 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.800 back or dynamic tight ends and things like that. I 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:49.600 wouldn't necessarily say that he's smooth enough in terms of 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:53.800 that in coverage, but he's got a really good knack 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.399 over the middle of the field for those, you know, 0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:59.240 those short zone drops, just kind of feeling out those 0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:03.200 routes and being able to jump routes from those underneath spots. 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.359 He's two hundred and thirty pounds, so he's a little 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:09.000 bit more undersized, a little bit faster, a little bit 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.400 more sidelined to sideline to him than what they've had 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.800 in the past. But most of all, I just think 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.680 he plays like a maniac. Like I think he plays 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.600 with his hair on fire. He plays physical, he plays 0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.520 through blocks, and that's something that they just didn't have 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:22.080 last year. 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:26.560 Old school line old school mentality, modern linebacker skill set. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.760 Does that make sense? Like he is, he's I'm sure 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.120 he's a very nice guy, but on the field, mean 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.520 plays a nasty flies around, always near the football, doesn't 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.680 miss a chance to deliver a big hit. But he 0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:42.320 can move. He can move, he can get sideline a sideline, 0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:44.679 he can explode in the backfield when he needs And 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.360 the other thing is like a lot of these linebackers. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.200 So the initial report was that the Patriots were in 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:52.240 on Jamien Sherwood. Yeah, Jamien Sherwoods two hundred and sixteen pounds. Yeah, 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:53.960 And that worried me a little bit. And I don't 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.800 like Sherwood's twenty five Splain's twenty nine. So there's something 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:59.000 to be said for upside and all that. But Splaine 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.760 six to one, two nine, Like, he's not small, he's 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:04.560 not big. He's not the two hundred and sixty pound 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.720 linebacker we're used to seeing here, you know, like Juwan Bentley, 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.639 but he still has some size to him and he 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.680 can still handle some of those old school linebacker roles. 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.480 So I I don't know, looking back on it, like, 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:19.440 did they almost end up better off? We're sure we're 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:21.160 going back to the Jets and ending up with Splaine. 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.760 They definitely ended up with the more physical player. Yeah, 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.240 and Splaine and I also think that, you know, he's 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:30.080 one of those guys that plays with energy and plays 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.359 with like a joy to him a little bit. That 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:35.080 not saying that Surewood doesn't play with energy, but I 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.840 don't know if like Spolaine is gonna be one. I'm 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.520 telling you he's gonna be one of those guys that 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:42.960 is gonna get this place going a little bit. You know, 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.000 Like I think that he's gonna make some plays and 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.240 he's gonna get up out off the pile and be 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.520 screaming and stuff like that. He just has like an 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:50.200 edge to him. 0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:52.960 This is still unlike you forget. They don't show that 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:53.760 on the All twenty two. 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.639 You know how bad the defense in the middle of 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.680 the field was last year. 0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.719 I couldn't they don't. This is what I always say 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.680 when you watch the All twenty two. You lose the 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.480 stuff in between the whistles, you lose penalties, you lose 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:06.960 like body language, emotion. But he is not a lot 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:07.520 of it on there. 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:08.280 You know what it was. 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:11.280 And I don't me wrong. I like that you have 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:11.760 the stage. 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:17.760 Yeah, I like the player. I I mentioned this yesterday 0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:22.920 on Unfiltered, but last year, you know me, I'll find 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.600 myself on a Monday night. Tuesday night when I'm doing 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.040 all my film stuff, for some reason, I'm watching The 0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:31.160 Raiders Defense. Like no, no one knows why, Like why 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.080 did I end up here? I couldn't tell you, but 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.920 you know there's cross tape or whatever, and like they're 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.200 playing an offense and played the Raiders and I'm just 0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.360 ending up here. Okay, So I'm ending up here on 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.200 the Raiders Defense. And every time you turned on the 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:47.920 film with the Raiders Defense, even over the last two years, 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.800 I would say this blame guy just keeps flashing, like 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:51.920 he keeps making plays. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:52.800 He just shows up. 0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:56.480 He's always around the ball and and he's he's sort 0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.000 of like the film junkies, like the guys on Twitter 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.479 that are always posting clips and stuff like that. We 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:04.800 all kind of just love Splaine. Like I don't know 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:06.920 what it is. It just is one of those guys 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.800 that is underrated. And I set it off the top 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:12.400 of the show that it feels like somebody's paying attention again, 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.560 which is nice. I feel like somebody's watching the tape. Right. 0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:18.239 We're not We're not just going out there and oh 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.800 I heard that guy right, Like we're actually going out 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.040 and watching film and understanding who these players are. And 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.680 Splaine is one of those guys. To me, that shows 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.720 that someone did some homework, Like this is a this 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.560 is a good poll, like this is yeah some you know. Oh, 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.560 like Zach Bond's a free agent, so we're just gonna 0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:35.240 give Zach Bond. 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.280 It's been underrated. It came into the league as Udfa 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.880 played two games with the Titans, went to Pittsburgh, started 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.920 off as he like a primary special teamer, worked his 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.920 way in rotation or all. He started all seventeen games 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.440 last few years for the Raiders. Like this is a 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.520 guy that built his way up quietly. 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:55.320 Yep, absolutely all right, Uh that was the defense most Yeah, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.960 that was. I want to talk about Tonga. So Tonga 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.360 a space eater, right, Like Tonga is a space heating 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:02.959 nose tackle. 0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.920 And so just when you're worried, I think you had 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.440 texted me this, yeah that, like you know, these are 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.840 good signings, right, they're bringing good players, nothing wrong with that, 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.880 but like, are they getting a little too small on defense? 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.880 They were one big boys short yep on the defense. 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.120 Six foot four three eight pound chiris Tonga shows Yeah, every. 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:21.560 Once in a while, I got a feel for the league, 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:22.640 you know, every once in a. 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.360 While, So you knew when you texted me that. 0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:25.959 No, I didn't say that. 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:27.200 I didn't know. 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.120 Because it was like five minutes before they signed thex 0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:35.840 SO Tonga, Like you said, space eater, big dude, gonna 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.440 clog rushing lands, great short yardage player. 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:39.080 Uh. 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.160 What I really like about the Tonga signing though, and 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.360 this is this is where my nerdom comes in. Like 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:49.000 they moved Von Godshaw who was a good player but 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.760 probably overpriced for what the role is that he was 0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.480 going to play, especially in this defense, and they get 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:59.360 a significantly better value in Tonga and he's probably gonna 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.920 play the same apps that Devon Gotcha was gonna play. 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.360 So is it maybe a little bit worse of a player. 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.120 I guess you could make that case. But now they 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:10.040 have Milton Williams, now they have Harold Landry. And this 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.040 is just from a math standpoint or a financial standpoint, 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:16.040 Like to me, this is a shrewd move, like you 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.120 trim salary with Devon Gotshaw, but you still have a 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.120 Devon Godshaw type player in tongue. 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:25.080 Yeah, yeah, they because he's just with Gosh Gotcha played 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.960 over fifty percent. Last year they played like fifty five percent. 0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:30.640 This guy probably thirty percent of the place. Right, He's 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:31.800 just gonna be on the field when they need to 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.080 stop the run. That's it. You didn't need to pay 0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:35.840 that guy they opened up this year. It's minimal, but 0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:38.560 next year eight million dollars in gap. Uh, you didn't 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.640 need to be paying that for what that role is 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.160 gonna be and and and and tongs of the player. 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.840 He's gonna take up space and and that's what they needed. 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:49.080 They needed another big body. I want to get to 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:50.920 what we still think they needs. I don't want to 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:51.600 keep on. 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.280 I know we were gonna end up leaving off one 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:55.800 guy that no, no, no, that's fine. 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:57.920 I just meant like, I have a couple more they 0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:00.400 still need, but on defense. But we'll to that in 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.000 a second. I want to do that separately, all right. Offensively, 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:08.760 Morgan Moses, who is like a agent like fine wine, 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.400 like he's an agent. Wonder his best years of his 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:15.040 career last year. Yeah, he plays for the most part, 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.280 he plays every game for like eleven straight years. Yeah, 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.000 it's pretty incredible. The durability. This was exactly what we 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.800 were talking about on the offensive line going into free agency, 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.400 just give me somebody that is an NFL player at 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.040 the position right And we were talking more about about tackle, 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:34.400 but I think you mentioned guard, and I've been big 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.280 on a left guard as a potential hole here. But 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.400 in terms of right tackle, just give me somebody who 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.640 is an NFL player at that position, uh not, not 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.400 someone that is off the scrap heap or off someone 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.080 else's you know, practice squad, an NFL player. And that's 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.640 exactly what Morgan Moses is. He's a people mover in 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.880 the run game, really really physical blocker. I think him 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.840 next to Mike gon When, who was a great run 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.640 blocking right side offensive line. Those guys on double teams 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.840 and gap schemes and things, they're gonna move some people 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:07.320 on that side of the line of scrimmage, which is good. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.480 I think that's what Josh McDaniels wants. I think that's 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:13.479 what his offense wants. I always go back to his 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.360 ideal right side of Marcus Cannon and Shaq Mason, like 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.440 you just want two bulldozers over there that can really 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.360 move the line of scrimmage. I think they have that again, 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.800 and I watched Moses against Chop Robinson because that was 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.720 the one thing I had concerned kind of like with 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:32.400 Davis was speed. Just on the other side, I was 0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.880 worried about the twitched up guys, like are those speed 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.240 rushers like a Chop Robinson at thirty four years old, 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.520 is he still meeting them, you know, at the junction 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:43.800 point of the rush, and is he still able to 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:47.080 protect his edge against Chop Robinson. And chop Robinson got 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:48.760 him a few times. But I thought that he did 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.160 pretty well and held up pretty well, really good, you know, 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:54.640 out of his stand still. I think he gains plenty 0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.880 of ground. There still blocks inside out, so you're not 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:02.080 seeing a lot of like really quick losses on his tape, 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.120 and that's encouraging. It's you're not gonna get those like 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.600 blowbys where it's just no contest. So I know, think 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.919 he's the most fleet of foot at this point. He's 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:15.279 not a great uh lateral, you know, redirect athlete, so 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:18.120 he's gonna have some issues with those types of guys sometimes, 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:22.120 but again, he's not gonna get blown by consistently, at 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.400 least professional player, professional solid player a little bit older. 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:28.400 I doubt he plays the whole three years of the contract, 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.000 but they just needed somebody to get them the level 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:32.920 at one of those tackle spots, and he'll do that. 0:34:33.160 --> 0:34:35.359 It's not a position, and we're not gonna at least 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:37.759 one spot we know we're not gonna have to go 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.520 into camp when tackle spot that we know we're not 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:40.759 gonna have to go in to camp and be like, 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.239 all right, well, this guy's the favorite, but this guy 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:43.920 could win the RP. 0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.200 No Morgan Moses. If Morgan Moses is losing that spot, 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:53.399 something probably went unexpectedly wrongly. Yeah, that's his job. Yeah, 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:56.960 solid player. Gives them another year to develop Kane Wallace 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:58.759 if they want, although maybe they end up moving him 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.000 to guard or something like that, but gives them some 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:05.000 flexibility there, walks Mike O and whnu Wint right guard 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.400 for the first time in his NFL career. Mike went 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:12.200 who can spend the entire offseason preseason just focusing on 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.800 one position? Right, should spend the entire offseason? Uh, preseason 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.879 focusing on one position. You talked a lot about pass 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.719 pro there. I think you're gonna have a lot of 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.840 fun running off that right side between on When and 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.160 Morgan Moses. I think there's a lot of potential there. 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:31.120 Solid signing, solid signing. Not you know, nobody's doom cart 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.520 wheels or anything, but like box checked for sure, that 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:38.000 box is checked. Good right tackle for this year, not 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:38.520 a question. 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.440 Yeah. How relieving is that to have a good spot 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.439 to not have to go into the camp and well 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.600 it could you know they've drafted Wallace in the third 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:49.560 round and you know they have you know, this veteran 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.640 that's Riley Reef over there gets waved. 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.640 And yeah, no not not not at right tackle. We'll 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.520 see that left. Yeah, not doing that at right tackle. Yeah. 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.880 The last thing on Moses that I really like talking 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.920 to Brandon Thorne, who's kind of my my O line 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.480 guy that I like to pick his brain a lot 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:11.040 about this kind of stuff. And uh he he did 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.319 point out that really good in the room, like a 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.960 really good leader. He's going to take these guys that 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.320 they draft, you know, they draft a rookie left tackle, 0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.520 Caden Wallace in his second season, Laden Robinson in his 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.719 second season. Uh, he's going to take these guys under 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.520 his wing. He's going to show him the ropes. He's 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.279 going to teach them how to be professionals. And I 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.200 think that that's important. I think that's a good part 0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:37.720 of that as well. Good culture guy experienced steady Brandon 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.480 Nudd every year does a O line rankings and he 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:46.160 had he had everybody in tears, and uh, Moses was 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:50.080 in his average NFL starter tier, which I think is 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.279 exactly what he is. You know, he's a steady, reliable, 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.080 average right tackle in the league, which is so much 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.880 better than what they had last year. So we're in 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.799 proving there in that spot as well. And you know, 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:04.360 we'll get to the rest of the line here in 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.239 the second which is still a big question marking a 0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:12.440 big concern Mac Collins. This one is I'm okay with it. 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.920 I know it's not what everybody wants out a wide receiver. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:18.759 I know that a lot of people, you know, I 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.200 posted some clips of him on Twitter and everybody was like, 0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.560 don't try to convince us that this guy is a 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.440 wide receiver one. You know, no one's trying to convince 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:28.960 you that Matt Collins is the cure to all their 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.960 ills at the wide receiver position. But similar to what 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.440 we were just talking about with Moses, this is a 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.319 professional receiver that goes about things the right way. From 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.680 everything that everybody has talked about and in terms of 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.319 that side of it. How much of a mess that 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.480 receiver room was last year on and off the field. 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:49.600 This is a guy you're not gonna have to worry 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.640 about in terms of the off field locker room stuff. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.200 And I actually think that he's got some sneaky juice. 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:59.000 Like it's not great, Like I'm not again, no one's 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.960 trying to convince you that Collins is the answer. But 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:06.120 some of the stuff that I saw on film, I 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.600 took me by surprise a little bit. Like he's got 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.520 a little bit of speed and some juice off the 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:15.280 line of scrimmage, you know, really good accelerator off the line, 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.160 and he's got some wiggle against press. He's got size, 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.040 you know, in the red zone. He's six foot four, 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:23.120 kind of five touchdowns last year for Buffalo. So I 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.520 do think that he is a guy that can be 0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.080 used in the red zone as that type of player, 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.880 especially if he's gonna run routes out of that like 0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.719 big slot role. Right you put him inside almost like 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.960 a tight end and have him, you know, run seams 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:37.960 and and cuts and stuff like that down by the 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.960 goal line. He's got a nice catch radius and size 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.480 to him. It plays on special teams. You know he's 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:45.799 gonna be a four down player for you. I had 0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:48.600 really good production with Josh McDaniels. 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:52.840 Solid, solid depth, Yeah, solid on spectacle. I saw a 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:54.920 lot of people felt strongly about this one one way 0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.719 or the other, and I just I couldn't find it 0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.319 either way. Like, he definitely checks and boxes they need 0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.800 to check six four two twenty one because you size 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.479 in that room. He is probably is his safe stays 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:08.680 the only true X on the roster. I know they 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.120 played Kishon Booty out there, but that's because they don't 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:12.160 have anybody else, right. 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:14.319 Yeah, No, he's He's the guy that can definitely play 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.960 the X. I think he's better as a big slot, 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.520 which I feel like as we say that a lot. 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:21.239 Well he hasn't, but he hasn't done that a lot 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:21.719 in his career. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.879 No, but I thought that, you know, in Buffalo last year, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.279 I was I thought that was his best tape was 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:30.200 playing inside. I think that that way there. You know, 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.400 his speed in his size against nickel corners or safeties 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.640 is a lot harder to defend for guys that play 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.960 full time on the outside at defensive back, Like when 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.200 he gets into the inside part of the field. I 0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:44.200 at six foot Fouries, he's got some girth. You know, 0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:45.200 he's got some size to him. 0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.439 I guess they need somebody to play the X. And again, 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:49.600 either way, he brings size that they didn't have. He 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:53.080 bring experience. Uh, he brings that veteran leadership, and he 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.239 can play on special teams. They still need to do 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:57.360 a ton oft receivers. This doesn't really answer any of 0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:01.600 the talent questions, but they needed depth in that room. 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.000 They needed somebody to push some of these younger guys 0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.600 and bring in competition for them for more rotational roles. 0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.040 I think he does that, but I mean this is 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.320 not a replacement for metcalf or Higgins or any of 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:13.839 those guys. 0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.560 No, and it will be interesting and uh when we 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.759 talk about, well, you know what's going on, what's gonna 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.920 happen next here they have bodies at receiver, I'm not 0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:24.759 saying they have any answers. And I want to keep 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.480 putting that out there until somebody eclipses and says, oh, 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.080 he said that they're fine at receiver. No, they have 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.160 a lot, a lot of They need a lot more 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:37.320 at receiver. But all of a sudden, I was texting 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.320 you last night about the you know, potential depth charts 0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:42.719 and things like that. Uh, you know, what are you 0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:48.160 gonna do with Booty? I actually even throw Kendrick Bourne 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:53.200 in this category, right, Kendrick Bourne, Booty Polk, Baker, like 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:57.480 those four guys, Yeah, because you're gonna have I would 0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:02.640 think another draft pick at wide receiver, I would think, uh, 0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:03.680 that's gonna make the. 0:41:03.760 --> 0:41:05.960 Roster unless unless it's a high draft pick. Do you 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:07.680 need one? Like, like, what good does it do them 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.080 to take another receiver in the fourth round? 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:10.960 Well, this is my point, right is like you know 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.280 everybody's throwing out there, you know, sign Cooper Cup, draft 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.520 Ted McMillan. Like, I'm not saying don't, but I'm not 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.200 saying don't do those things. Yeah, I'm just saying that 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.400 when you start to really think about it, there's the 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:26.920 numbers there. You're gonna be giving up on on a 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:30.680 young player there that you just drafted, and probably Javon 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.960 Baker is probably the most likely guy. But still like 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:39.520 that that foursome of Bourne, Polk, Booty Baker. If you 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.000 go into the season thinking that right now, MATC Collins 0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.239 and Pop Douglas I think are on the team yes, right, 0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.600 And my guess is that they're gonna either sign or 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.799 trade or draft one more receiver that's gonna be on 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.399 the team. So you're really talking about two or three 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.560 spots that are left over there. MATC. Collins is already 0:41:56.640 --> 0:42:00.680 sort of your fringe wide receiver for a special team guy, right, 0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.359 So that spot's kind of already taken up. So you're 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:07.680 talking about two more true receivers that aren't gonna just 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.760 be kicking game contributors, making the roster out of four guys. 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.759 So someone between that foursome is gonna be is gonna 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.000 be out, And maybe that's for the best. Like I'm 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.440 not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing. It's just 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.799 something to consider when you start hearing, oh, they need 0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.000 to double dip out receiver again, or they need to 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.920 sign this guy and draft that guy, like they're starting 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.960 to get the numbers are starting to get a little crazy, right, Yeah, 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:36.000 So I'm just interested to see how that all pans out. 0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:37.479 But we'll get to more of that here in a second. 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:40.960 Let's wrap this up, Josh Dobbs, is the last move here, 0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.320 and how are you feeling about the Manhattan Project Because 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.960 we're starting to get a little bit sweaty about this, 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.680 alex that your guy's not going to be here. Joe 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:51.200 Milton is who we're talking right. 0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:53.120 If they get a good return for Joe Milton, he 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.200 goes somewhere, he's gonna have a chance to start, like, 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.480 I'd be incredibly happy for him. Yeah, and I think 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:01.000 it validates what Alexander did and what they did last 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.200 year taking them probably that was always the point. Right 0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:07.080 when they drafted Joe Milton, we said, like, best case scenario, 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:09.360 you have a couple of showcase games, warm in the 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:12.040 preseason or late in the season, and he goes out 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:16.759 and you get back more than you drafted him. So 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:19.799 I'd be happy for him if they're able to do that. Now, 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.879 I'm not rushing that guy out the door. I think 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.759 there's value in having a good backup quarterback, and his 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:26.759 value I think can still go up and maybe you 0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:28.640 get more. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:31.000 For anything less than one hundred and the top one 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.480 hundred pick, I just think you're spinning your tires to 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.480 what to go ahead and draft Brady Cook in the 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:38.319 seventh round and just start the process over. So I 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.560 wouldn't They definitely have more flexibility now because they have 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.719 another backup quarterback in place if they do trade Joe Milton, 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:48.360 if somebody blows them away. That being said, I would 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.520 not rule out the idea that they want to keep 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:52.960 three quarterbacks. Yeah, so what most teams do now when 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.239 you have that emergency quarterback rule on game days, teams 0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.839 want to take advantage of that. It's not like they're 0:43:57.840 --> 0:43:59.560 going to have a roster crunch. They're still kind of 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:03.040 building this thing up. And Josh Dobbs gives you a 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:04.799 veteran in that room. This is a guy that's the 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.280 Patriots or is eleventh NFL team? Yeah right, he's he 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.479 he's only played what five six NFL seasons, but there's 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:15.000 a lot of experience packed in there, and he's gonna 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.160 be a good mentor not mentor, but like good veteran 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.480 voice in the room for Drake May and Joe Milton. 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.320 He gives you an opportunity to have that third emergency 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.560 quarterback on game days. Stylistically, he's a fit with the 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:28.120 other two, so you're not gonna have to really have 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.800 him do things differently. What better you have two guys 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.640 with rocket arms to have a rocket scientist teach them 0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:36.040 how to go about their their game. 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.359 Right, So how long have you been rehearsing that one? 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:40.200 I came up with it about ten minutes after they 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:45.440 signed him. Yeah, they like could they It makes it 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.160 Joe Milton trade easier. And maybe that's down the road. 0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:50.480 Maybe that's at the end of camp, some team gets antsy. 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.000 Maybe I mean, at the time we're doing this podcast, 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.600 Rogers is still out there, Wilson's still out there, and 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:57.759 we'll see what happens with Kirk Cousins. Then you have 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:00.200 the draft. Maybe you get a team that you know, 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.839 get shaky and says, you know what, we we got 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:04.200 to give up more than we want because we've got 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:05.800 to come out of this with a quarterback. We're missing 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:09.799 on everybody. But so maybe maybe it gives them the 0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.560 flexibility if the right offer comes along. But I don't 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.600 think they're going to north Should they just rush Joe 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.160 Milton out the door? What I said the other night 0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.120 on Twitter, don't just trade Joe Milton for the best 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:22.879 you can get. Trade Joe Milton because somebody is giving 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.239 you a reason to trade Joe Milton, right if the 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:29.800 best offer is still not like significant, you really don't 0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:31.239 need to be in a rush to trade him. And 0:45:31.280 --> 0:45:32.920 the other thing I'll add to this just the Dobbs 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.960 signing as a whole, Like he got two years, eight million, 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.640 which is solid. It's not starting money, but it's solid 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.760 backup quarterback money. Sam Darnold got a hundred million dollars. 0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:44.440 You saw somebody give up a fifth round pick for 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.120 Kenny Pickett. Yeah, these teams are going hard into the 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:50.560 veteran quarterback. 0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:52.680 Market because they're terrified of the draft class. 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:55.280 Which might be so glass half fall a glass half empty. 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.200 These teams are going hard into the veteran quarterback market, 0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.279 which might be a good sign for the Patriot because 0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.000 it means none of the teams like the quarterbacks, which 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.440 means they won't go at the top of the draft. 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.840 The bad news for the Patriots is all the teams 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:09.000 winning the deals for these quarterbacks and trading for them 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:10.920 are not the teams at the top of the draft. 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.279 So do they get desperate and take somebody or does 0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.799 it show you that those teams maybe feel better about 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:18.160 the quarterbacks that are available. 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:21.399 So I'm with you on Joe. I'm in no rush 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.880 to trade Joe Millen now if somebody comes in with 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.120 a second or third round pick, I would obviously strongly 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:32.800 consider a top one hundred, you know, value worth it maybe, 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:35.200 But I'm in no rush to trade Joe Millon. And 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.000 I look at Joe Millon the same way that I'm 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.840 sure in a lot of ways Bill Belichick looked at 0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.200 Jimmy Garoppolo, or at the time, you're right over there 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:48.120 you get water Piper Jacoby Brissett, you know at the 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.400 time as well, like, don't trade them until you have 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:51.520 to trade them, right, if you. 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.600 Could get like a Phillip Dorset equivalent, actually that'd be great. 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.640 But just don't don't be in any rush. Like you 0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:03.080 have a affordable rookie cost controlled rookie contract, backup quarterback 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:06.160 with upside, So don't don't be in this huge rush 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.120 to trade him. Now. Again, if if a team blows 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:11.319 you away with an offer that's ridiculous, you know, like 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.080 a second round pick comes over, you know, across the table. 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.600 Of course, you do it, right, But I don't be 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.160 in any rush. I don't buy some of this stuff 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.680 out there that Joe Milton sees himself as a starter 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.000 and like it's going to like cause issues in the 0:47:26.120 --> 0:47:30.200 room with Drake May. I don't necessarily think that that's 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.440 the type of guy Joe Milton is. 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:36.120 I think that's more like an eventually thing, like eventually 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.080 he'd like to go somewhere where he has a start, 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.959 a chance to start, which of course he does. Yeah, 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.640 but I don't think like it needs to be right now, because, 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.120 like you said, that's just not the kind of guy 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.520 that he is. The only team I wonder like if 0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.160 he sees a chance to go to the Rams and 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:51.920 get back with the alex man Pelt and continue on 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:55.200 the development path he was on last year, and you know, 0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.160 Matthew Stafford, who knows how much longer he's going to 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.560 be there, that might be something that enticing. 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:04.360 Yeah. So last year when I wrote our feature on 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:06.680 Joe Milton, when they drafted him, and so I was 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.000 talking to some people down at the Senior Bowl about 0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.320 him because he was down at the Senior Bowl, And 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:12.960 that was when I first started to get on the 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.520 bandwagon with you, if you remember correctly. So every year 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:18.520 at the Senior Bowl they hand out like a good 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.920 Guy Award, basically just one of the players that was 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.839 just above and beyond around around everybody. The re meeting 0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.080 around the meeting rooms, the locker room. You're just a 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:29.320 great guy to be around. 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:29.480 Good. 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.080 Yeah, cool, Hang right, guess who won that award? Joe Milton. 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.759 So that you're telling me that that guy is now 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.239 going to start to try to strum up some quarterback 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.520 controversy between him and Drake May, I just don't. That's 0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.480 not the vibe that I've gotten talking to people at 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:49.440 Michigan Tennessee, the Senior Bowl all throughout that process, that 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:50.920 he was the type of guy that was going to 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.279 do that. And I think that was part of the 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.600 reason why they felt comfortable double dipping and drafting him 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.200 last year because they didn't think that he was going 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:01.360 to cause a whole hullrible that he should be starting. 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.280 So I wouldn't be worried too much about that. But again, 0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.080 if somebody blows you away with an offer that you 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.000 can't refuse, and you take it, but don't don't trade 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:12.520 Joe Millon for a fourth round pick just to trade him, 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.359 because then I think you have to draft another quarterback again, right, 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.640 and so then you're just using that pick to draft 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:19.680 another Joe Milton. So just keep Joe. 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.399 Milton, and there is not another Joe Milton in the draft. 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:22.920 There won't be another Joe Milton in the draft for 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:24.480 a long long time. 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.839 Yeah, he's a unique time, he is. He is. All right, 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.080 let's got to do some of these atterides and then 0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:30.680 we're gonna take your phone calls because I know you 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.239 guys have been waiting. 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You are big on the I'm 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.560 just gonna randomly have this football around and I'm gonna 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:20.920 toss it to do. 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:23.560 I do like to have a football around usually, just 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:26.360 because especially if I'm just like sitting on the couch 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:27.440 watching games, I just, you. 0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:31.359 Know, are you visioning that you're you're gonna be playing 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:31.560 in this? 0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.920 I mean, I'm always I know, I'm just always tempted 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:35.360 during the show to go take one of those footballs 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:37.480 off the wall and just kind of having my hands 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:38.040 during the show. 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:42.239 Our mouse is not working, manby, Marie can pull up 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:46.320 the calls. Mouse isn't working. Uh, you can pull up, Patty. 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:47.359 We'll just go in order. 0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:48.319 It's not on. 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.520 I turned it on and then I turned it off 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.240 and it still doesn't work. Oh, we got it. Okay, 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.279 you're there, all right, all right, my bad, All right now. 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:03.000 Screener, you definitely are hi, guys doing today? 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:03.719 Good good? 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:07.600 All right. I just want to give a couple of 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:09.960 quick shout outs and then I'll get to my question. 0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.239 A big shout out to Chester and Portland. You know. 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:18.080 He he basically said I was an idiot for not 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.080 looking more into Mac Collins and when I did. The 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:23.919 guy is kind of a character, and you know, maybe 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.880 I didn't gi him as much credit as he was 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:28.440 giving him. And if you look like in twenty twenty 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.080 two he had his best year with Josh, so maybe 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.840 that's positive going forward with him. You know, I'm not 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:38.000 saying he's gonna be Brandon Lafel or you know, any 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.319 anything in that mold, but you know, maybe we can 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:42.640 get some good, solid production for him. And I think 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:46.080 this guy might end up being a fan favorite. And 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:48.239 and the YouTube comments, let me shout out old Man 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.000 Mob because that guy's always on point. Now let's get 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:55.680 to my questions. Guys. Do you guys The first question 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.480 is do you think with the moves that we made 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:02.440 with Robert Splane, do you think Juwan Bentley still has 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.520 a role on this team, Because if it comes down 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:08.480 between him and Jilanni to buy I I actually want 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.719 to buy off this team. Like I don't want him 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.560 on here. Call me petty, but I don't like what. 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.120 I don't like how he presented as fans last last season. 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:21.439 You know, we're the ones that pay his salary, and 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:24.880 sometimes football, you know, football players need to get that 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:27.000 through their head that we're the ones that come to 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:29.440 the games, We're the ones that buy the jerseys, We're 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.239 the ones that watched the games on TV that that 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.120 helped this you know, ad revenue go through and help 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.920 get these guys paid. So I want I just want 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.640 him gone. And my second question is this is kind 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:45.719 of crazy. Let's say something absolutely bonkers happens at the 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:50.520 top of the draft and Will Campbell, Abdull Carter, and 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.000 Travis Hunter are all sitting there at number four. Who 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:54.800 do you take. 0:52:56.480 --> 0:53:00.279 Off your guys? Yeah? 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:01.680 Twice about it. He's the best player in the draft. 0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.279 Yeah, I would take Abdul Carter too. In terms of linebacker, 0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:10.160 I don't know if there's any plans of releasing Tavai 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:13.799 or moving on from Bentley or anything like that. I 0:53:13.920 --> 0:53:18.520 still see that Bentley and Spoayne can play together. Yeah, 0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.000 I think Bentley is your mic Splain's your weak side 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:24.960 linebacker playing you know, in a four to two in 0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:28.880 this defense. Maybe that means to Vay and Spolayne are 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.560 kind of in a competition for who is the best, 0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.520 you know, compliment to Bentley there. But I still see 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:36.319 a role for Bentley on this team. 0:53:36.320 --> 0:53:38.120 Bentley will still have a role, might be reduced. I mean, 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.759 he was playing ninety percent of the stamps before I got hurt. 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.120 Lest year, like that's gonna go down like sixty five seventy, 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.560 I would think, But he still has a role for sure. 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.319 I don't know if there's a role for Jelanne to Vai. Yeah, 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.600 I just don't know, especially when you consider anything that 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:52.880 happened last year, you're going to keep that guy around 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:54.960 in a backup role where he's not playing a ton 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.799 where he's probably gonna get frustrated. You know. I don't 0:53:58.840 --> 0:54:01.200 know that, like you said, is anything imminent, I don't know. 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:03.960 But when we get around a training camp, we're talking 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.239 about guys on the bubble. If he's still here at 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.560 that point, that's definitely somebody I'd put us on the bubble. 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:11.960 If i'd do a roster projection today, I don't know 0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:12.960 that i'd have him on the team. 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.279 Yeah, yeah, that's fair. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:16.600 to Sean? 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:19.399 Oh gods, how do you guys doing? 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:20.480 Hate good? 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:23.719 I want to talk about three thirds. First, is the 0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.440 safety part or whatever I mean? I have a hard 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:27.879 time understanding and the reason why they need to try 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:29.680 to go out to read because like it's been all 0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:31.799 of something they had a traditional safety I ring your 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.080 city like that could cover out in space from sideline 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.920 to sideline, you know, that could like defend the run 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.440 as well as the past. So I'm smartly didn't go 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.759 out to read because douggars stucks. And I've been saying 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:43.520 this for a long time that they should have traded 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.320 him last year. Now, when it comes to certain things 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:49.600 about like far as, like the live backer situation, whatever, 0:54:49.600 --> 0:54:52.759 I feel like guys like Ellis Mapoo would benefit this 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:54.560 year because I have more help wanting to defend the 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:57.080 times so ecthetic resport I said, they could play there 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.759 respectable roles better because of that of them boosting the 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.080 defense like that. Now, when when it comes to the offense, 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:05.759 we want to talk about you know, uh Holland. But 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:08.279 a lot of these guys I feel like would be 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.120 great if they had a number one receiver because they'd 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:13.439 been a player respectable roles as well. At the same 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:15.799 thing was apply to the offense. But the probably they 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:19.320 don't have a number one receiver to help everybody refill 0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:21.840 their respectful role. That's the issue that's basically going on. 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:23.120 That's all I wanted to say. 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:25.719 Thanks to Sean, thanks for the call. Yeah, I think 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:30.120 as safety where we're all hoping that a true center 0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:33.359 fielder is coming. You know, it's not gonna be. It's 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:35.880 not gonna be John Jevon Holland obviously he's not. I 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.760 think he's mentioned Justin Reed, who Yeah, did he sign somewhere? 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:41.200 Yeah, where'd he go? I don't know where he went. 0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:42.080 I know he signed. 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:44.920 So you know, those guys aren't gonna be it. But 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.719 I don't know as I could see a vision where 0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:52.040 it's not a full time player Justin Reid went to 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:56.520 the Saints, but that dron harmon role of uh, we're 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.960 gonna play an obvious past, you know, third down, two minutes, 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.920 four minute offenses at the end of games, you know, 0:56:03.000 --> 0:56:06.719 that sort of thing, which is usually factors into a 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.080 good chunk of the snaps when you really think about it. 0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:13.480 In those scenarios, I definitely think that that player could 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.760 be had. Like you mentioned, what's it a Cuba, right, Andrew. 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.239 So the two guys I look at, yes, right, if 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:21.080 they want to go in the first round, I guess 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:22.120 there'd be three. If they want to go in the 0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:24.200 first round, it's Malachai Starks, but he's going to be 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:27.319 a top fifteen pick, so they it's not happening without 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.080 a ton of movement. Andrew mccooba from Texas in the 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:33.440 second round thirty eight might be a little rich, but 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:36.640 if they kind of hammer out some other needs here, 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:40.319 not totally out of character, Probably better off moving back 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:42.040 into the fifties and moving up from seventy to the 0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:44.680 fifties for him. And then the Day three guys would 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.000 be early Day three probably at one oh six would 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.000 be Billy Bowman from Oklahoma. He is going to be 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.520 a true rotational player. I think mccuba maybe grows into 0:56:52.560 --> 0:56:55.000 that guy that can play eighty five to ninety percent 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:57.560 of the time. Billy Bowman's gonna be rotational. You're gonna 0:56:57.560 --> 0:56:58.880 be able to play him on the back end. He's 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:00.000 also going to be able to give you some hell 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.600 up in the slot. But I think he's a player 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:05.799 that could, certainly, if you're gonna do that situationally, fill 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:06.239 that role. 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.319 Yeah, I think that for right now. I don't think 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:12.400 they necessarily need anything more than a Deron Harmon in 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.480 terms of snap usage and playing over the top. So 0:57:16.160 --> 0:57:18.760 I would be comfortable with like a mid round guy 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:21.840 like Billy Bowman in that spot. Starks is interesting to 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:25.440 me because I do wonder if his combine pushes him 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.240 down kind of like Brian branch treatment style. 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:29.160 That bad? Was it? 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:31.000 He didn't run very well? 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.480 Didn't Brian Branch run like a four to six? Yeah? 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:36.520 No, I would say Brian Branch was more in trouble 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:40.640 than him. Maybe, yeah, But Stark says, I still feel like, 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:42.560 if I can look it up, but if I remember 0:57:42.600 --> 0:57:46.240 correctly off the top of my head, he had one 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.400 of those trust the tape type of combines, and there 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:53.160 are yeah, like there are some things on his tape too. 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:56.040 I didn't actually think that his tape was it didn't 0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:56.880 blow me away. 0:57:56.800 --> 0:58:00.480 Four or five flat thirty three inch vertical having two 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:02.520 three cone four four or five shots. 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.600 Yeah, it's not great. That's not great for you know, 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.480 a guy that's supposed to be playing in space in 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.240 the NFL. Right, So I would say that there's a 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:14.720 chance that Stark slips a little bit. Was he gonna 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:16.720 slip all the way to thirty eight? Like? Probably not, 0:58:17.080 --> 0:58:20.000 but especially in a draft like this, But there's a 0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.080 chance just because of that combine that you know, the 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:26.480 athletic testing knocks him down a little bit. Like when 0:58:26.520 --> 0:58:28.560 I first started the process with the draft I it 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.080 starts was on my short list of guys because of 0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:35.280 you know, top ten, top fifteen consideration. I didn't think 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.400 the tape was like that eye opening to me. I 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:40.800 wasn't blown away by what I saw. A good pursuit 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:44.120 player against the run has some versatility to you know, 0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:45.960 he can play the nickel, he can play up top, 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:49.960 he can play in the box. He had some issues 0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:53.160 with the angles and you know, tracking the ball down 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:56.360 the field from his perch, and it got beat badly 0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:58.880 in that Texas game. I think it was I think 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:02.240 it was golden. That sounds right, yeah, and he just 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:04.880 he dove, you know for the ball and as it 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:08.600 over the top, missed it and then you know, sixty 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:11.800 yard touchdown right behind him. So there was some like 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:13.680 little things like that with his film that I didn't 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:17.120 think were It wasn't blown away, which was there, Like Branch. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:19.440 Branch was a hell of a college player like that. 0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:23.160 That was all overthink with the combine. If stars fell 0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:24.680 a little bit, I don't think it would be as 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:27.720 much of an overthink for teams. So we'll see about that. 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:31.120 Paul is in Wallthams, I'd say, I don't know. I 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:32.920 just went blind for some reason. Paul, what's up? 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:34.680 Thank guys. 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:38.280 How you doing. I just got one quick question for 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:41.120 you coming out of this first few days of creagency. 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:45.680 What would you rank the three to four biggest holes 0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:48.800 on the roster still and how would you rank them 0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:52.120 in terms of we need this sorted by August first 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:55.040 we can try again next to season. 0:59:55.920 --> 0:59:57.840 Yeah. Thanks for the call, Paul. That's a great segue 0:59:57.880 --> 0:59:59.920 because that's exactly what I wanted to talk about next. 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:03.080 So I think four is a good number. That's right 1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:04.280 about where I'm at right now. 1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:04.840 Uh. 1:00:05.080 --> 1:00:08.760 The two biggest are obviously wide receiver and left tackle. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.480 You're going to order though I'd flip those. 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:13.440 Uh yeah, I probably would too. But I think the 1:00:13.520 --> 1:00:16.760 difference is to me, is that at left tackle, like 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:19.800 if they signed, if they acquired, whatever way they go 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:24.000 about it, a Morgan Moses level talent to play left tackle, 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:25.280 I'd be okay with that. 1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:26.320 That Cam Robinson. 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:28.800 Maybe it's Cam Robinson, I don't know. We can talk 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:29.880 about Cam Robinson here in. 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:31.440 Not Cam Robinson. I don't know who it is. 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:33.840 But my point is is that if they got NFL 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:38.240 average left tackle, I'd feel okay, whereas NFL average at 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:41.240 wide receiver. Isn't enough, right, they already have that. They 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.600 need better talent that wide receiver, Whereas I think you 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:46.480 can get away with having NFL average at the tackle spots, 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:48.720 so that that might be the one little difference in 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:53.120 terms of order there for me. But wide receiver left tackle, 1:00:54.560 --> 1:00:57.360 I'm still gonna be pounding the table for an interior linement. 1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:00.919 I whether it's a center, it's a guard. So sign 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:05.919 somebody that in this veteran market that has played the position. Again, 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:08.480 just like Morgan Moses, like, just give me someone that 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.960 has played the position at an NFL starting level. 1:01:12.120 --> 1:01:12.280 You know. 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:15.160 It can be average, it can be adequate, but I 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.720 just want a body there that I can trust, sure 1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:21.280 that I'm not putting all of my eggs in Cole Strange, 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.440 Leyden Robinson City. So Ben Brown, you know, to pull 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:26.640 out two starters from that group. Let's pull out one 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.280 starter from that group instead of two, And I feel 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:32.040 a lot better. On the defense side of the ball, 1:01:33.000 --> 1:01:35.280 I still think they're an edge rusher short. I think 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.080 they need a pass rusher off the edge. It doesn't 1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:42.240 they have enough, you know, Landry Anthony Jennings. They have 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.400 enough edge setters, somebody's just gonna pin his years back 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:48.520 third down Joshua Roll. You know, someone that's gonna be 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:50.200 a really good situational pass rush. 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:52.640 But that like I don't know if we're just doing freegency, 1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:55.800 Like I feel really good about finding that guy on daytieh. 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:58.600 No draft is open on this as well. I would 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.920 say that that's a draft pick, you know, whether it's 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:06.760 somebody h on Day two on the second round. I 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:10.200 mean as Iraku princely, I'm not going to try to 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:13.560 pronounce his last name, and there we go. Who I 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:16.000 really liked by the way I watched him, every little 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:18.200 bit of recency bias with him, but I watched him 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:20.440 recently but before free agency. He's a good player. 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:23.000 He's in the YouTube check because they can literally get 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:23.800 josh Uchek. 1:02:23.960 --> 1:02:26.880 Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a free agent. Yeah, we've done that. 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.600 But those two guys, you know, I don't know if 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:33.280 as Iraku will make it to thirty eight. He might 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:34.200 be a late first. 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:36.440 If this is a thing where there's so many good 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:40.160 edge rushers that guys get there's so many limits at 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:44.640 other positions like receiver even quarterback right that guys get 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.600 pushed down because teams are okay being patient. 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:50.720 Yeah, I'm not totally ruling out your Ohio State guys yet. 1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:55.120 I don't think it's exactly what they need for the Yeah, 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:58.000 but I don't know if how much they're gonna trust 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:00.360 Keon White as a four to three n YEA canon 1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:03.120 the dirt player. Jack Sawyer is definitely that, you know, 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:05.600 he's a hand in the dirt four three end. So 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.560 maybe if they look at it in terms of projecting 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:12.280 starting roles years from now, right like two years from now, 1:03:12.360 --> 1:03:14.640 three years from now, maybe you could go in that 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:17.640 direction still, But I think we're all kind of gravitating 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:25.120 now more towards Princely Donovan Azarouki as a rock O 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:29.840 shore third round. You know my guy Josiah Stewart, you know, 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.320 just like a screamer off the edge like that I 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:35.320 think would go a long way. And and we've mentioned 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:38.080 free safety multiple times, like I feel like free safety 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:40.760 is still one of those positions that they can get, 1:03:40.960 --> 1:03:43.360 they can get better at, and have somebody that is 1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:45.880 truly comfortable playing center field. 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:47.920 If I was gonna do like the Big four right now, 1:03:48.120 --> 1:03:51.680 rank them left tackle wide receiver, but like a starting 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:54.560 wide receiver, not some guy that's gonna plug into the 1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:56.640 middle of the depth chart right, muddy things further right, 1:03:57.160 --> 1:04:00.000 left tackle unquestioned. Top of the depth chart. Wide receiver 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:04.280 would be two, free safety would be three, guard would 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.000 be four. And then I'll also just sneak in there. 1:04:06.040 --> 1:04:09.160 And these are drafts specific. I do still want to 1:04:09.160 --> 1:04:11.360 see them even though Austin Hooper's back, I do still 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:13.400 want to see them draft the tight end. I want 1:04:13.440 --> 1:04:15.160 to see them tap into this class and get the 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:18.000 next guy in the pipeline because Henry and Hooper both 1:04:18.040 --> 1:04:20.200 over thirty, and I do want to see them draft 1:04:20.200 --> 1:04:22.440 a running back, get some more depth in that room, 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:25.320 and also maybe push Stevenson and Gibson on the depth chart. 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.520 Well that was you know, another good thing kind of 1:04:27.560 --> 1:04:29.680 byproduct of what they did on Day one at free 1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:32.120 agency is I feel like they still have enough picks 1:04:32.680 --> 1:04:34.560 that they can make some of those luxury They have 1:04:34.720 --> 1:04:36.840 some flexibility to do that because they don't need to 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:41.080 desperately sign or draft like three defensive linemen because they 1:04:41.080 --> 1:04:44.360 didn't get anybody in free agency, or you know, get 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:47.760 a run stuffing linebacker in the draft, which I thought 1:04:47.920 --> 1:04:50.320 was maybe like a sneaky need for the team. So 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:53.800 I look at you know, outside corner, another one. 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:55.440 Like that bus to check. 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:59.200 They easily could have drafted a Carlon Davis type player 1:04:59.280 --> 1:05:01.240 on Day two or or you know, middle rounds of 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:03.640 this draft because out of necessity, because they needed to 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:06.640 fill that hole. Now they don't because of the way 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:09.760 that they've handled free agency so far. So they can 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:12.000 take a running back over the top. They can take 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:14.520 a tight end you know, even still and add him 1:05:14.560 --> 1:05:16.960 to that room. And maybe it's more of a competition 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:19.200 with Jahem Bell, you know, to make the roster there 1:05:19.240 --> 1:05:20.760 at tight end, or maybe all four of them make 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:21.160 the roster. 1:05:21.920 --> 1:05:25.800 I again, forget about Robbie, you know full back. Would 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.600 you would you be in on them signing use check. 1:05:29.400 --> 1:05:31.920 I said this yesterday and everybody mocked me because I 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.920 think I called him Kyle. Then yeah, I called him 1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:38.800 Kyle and say, you know, first name basis right, Kyle Shanahan. Uh. 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:41.520 It worries me that Kyle Shanahan thinks that he's cooked. 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:43.960 Like if Kyle Shanahan think that he's cooked, or they 1:05:44.040 --> 1:05:45.200 just totally hitting the reset. 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:48.640 Button over there, Kyle, that's like a that's like Kyle 1:05:48.720 --> 1:05:51.600 Shanahan's like fifth son, Like you're like, I don't how 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:53.920 many sons he had. I just made that number up 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:55.520 like that that. But you know what I'm trying to. 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:02.160 If Kyle Shanahan Robbie and is clearing the way, no, 1:06:02.600 --> 1:06:04.480 I like, I remember. 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.240 A couple of years ago. This was a long time ago. 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:10.200 You know, we're getting old. It's probably like around twenty nineteen. Yeah, 1:06:10.880 --> 1:06:14.000 twenty twenty. I was at the Combine and this was 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:17.080 when Bill was still here. So Belichick never talked at 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:19.600 the Combine. So you never had any real Patriots stuff. 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:22.640 Well you know the drill now, so you never had 1:06:22.680 --> 1:06:24.960 any Patriot stuff on that Tuesday. 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:25.160 Right right. 1:06:25.360 --> 1:06:28.600 So I would just you know, bounce around this guy. 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:31.960 Go to the Giants because Odell Beckham might get traded. 1:06:32.120 --> 1:06:34.520 Go here because that guy might get traded. And of 1:06:34.600 --> 1:06:37.600 course when Kyle Shanahan talked, you know, you know where, 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:39.640 I was front and center, and I asked him about 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:43.840 fullbacks and like his how he uses fullbacks, and this 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:47.520 guy wax poetic about Kyle used checking the full back. 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:50.040 And he told me at that time that he will 1:06:50.160 --> 1:06:53.360 never have a roster that doesn't feature a fullback, like 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.040 he will always have a fullback on his team. Period. 1:06:56.440 --> 1:07:01.000 So everybody in Francisco forty nine at rob uotss coming, everybody. 1:07:00.680 --> 1:07:03.600 Thinks Kyle used Check is probably the best fullback in football, 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:07.360 maybe in the history of football. And and you're telling 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:11.160 me that Kyle Shanahan is cutting that player like that. 1:07:11.400 --> 1:07:13.560 That speaks to me then tells me that he might 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:16.280 be he might be cooked, he might be washed. 1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:17.880 So is Deebo cooked? Then can we say that? 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:19.720 I think that's a little because I took him for 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:21.920 saying that, is it. Kyle Shanahan's giving up on him? 1:07:21.960 --> 1:07:25.360 Apparently this is the rule's moving on from players they're 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.280 cold back like that. That's different. 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:30.080 I I think you just got to take corner and 1:07:30.240 --> 1:07:30.680 saying no. 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:34.560 It's different. It's a different. It's not different, it's different. 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:37.280 I don't understand how. So Deebo Samuel might be washed. 1:07:37.120 --> 1:07:38.840 That's all right? So well I got yelled at for 1:07:38.920 --> 1:07:41.640 saying that. So this is what can we say Deebo's 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:43.760 watch Then if we're saying that, this means Kyle used 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:44.400 Check is washed. 1:07:44.720 --> 1:07:46.320 Before we go back to the funds, I want to 1:07:46.360 --> 1:07:48.280 go back to those needs that we talked about to 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:52.520 start throwing some names out there. Well, let's start with 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:54.960 wide receiver. I think we have to talk about the 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:58.880 Cooper Cup of it all. Uh Cup check if you will? 1:07:59.440 --> 1:08:00.720 How long even hold on an that one? 1:08:01.640 --> 1:08:04.680 I thought of that one last night. I think we 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:09.840 have to we talk talk about it if we're honest 1:08:09.880 --> 1:08:11.960 about the type of player that Cooper Cup is now. 1:08:12.680 --> 1:08:16.680 And if you look at his advanced metrics, you know, separation, 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:22.320 yards after the catch, contested catchability, it is a precipitous 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:26.280 drop year after year from twenty twenty one his nineteen 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:30.120 hundred yards season. Right, yeah, we're from twenty twenty one. 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:34.560 Each year gets progressively worse in terms of the analytics 1:08:34.600 --> 1:08:36.920 of it all is getting older. So you look at 1:08:36.920 --> 1:08:41.280 all that and you look at a team like the Rams, 1:08:41.400 --> 1:08:46.479 who won no offense better than maybe anybody, and maybe 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:49.200 the brightest offensive mine in the league running the team 1:08:49.240 --> 1:08:51.840 in Sean McVay and two are one of the most 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:56.720 analytically driven organizations in the league. They are telling you 1:08:56.840 --> 1:09:00.280 that Cooper Cup can't run anymore, is what I'm worried about. 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:04.160 Their metrics, their their science is telling you that he 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:07.400 has no more burst, or he doesn't have the same burst. Right, 1:09:08.080 --> 1:09:11.240 that would be concerning to me, all these things are 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:15.439 concerning to me. With that being said, I'm coming around 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:20.559 to the idea of whether it's Cooper Cup, it's Stefan Diggs, 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:27.280 it's Amari Cooper, one of these aging star receivers for 1:09:27.360 --> 1:09:29.840 a team like the Patriots that keeps striking out at 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:34.960 this position, you know, Godwin metcalf A, Yuke Ridley, Like 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:37.479 Dyuke's out there again. Apparently they might need to take 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:39.400 a chance on one of these guys, is my point. 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:42.840 And I think the hope would be that he is 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.479 able to still be like a wide receiver too on 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:49.080 a depth chart. Yeah, and then maybe in the draft, 1:09:49.280 --> 1:09:51.200 and this is kind of my other big take about 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:53.920 wide receiver, maybe in the draft you go out and 1:09:54.040 --> 1:09:57.240 get the guy, you know, the true number one receiver. 1:09:57.800 --> 1:10:01.719 But at this stage of his career, can Cooper Cup 1:10:01.840 --> 1:10:04.720 be the number two guy? Like? Can he be a 1:10:04.800 --> 1:10:08.519 number two guy? I'm willing to take that chance if 1:10:08.560 --> 1:10:11.479 the money is right. And I would also mention that 1:10:11.560 --> 1:10:14.200 I think he's a really good fit in the slot 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:17.280 for Josh McDaniels. I think that he understands space and 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:20.560 he understands how to find soft spots and zones. I 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:23.639 think he understands how to run option routes. Certainly understands 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:25.720 how to run option routes. That's all he ran for 1:10:25.840 --> 1:10:29.839 Sean McVay, you know, or those choice routes in their offense. 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:33.080 So he understands and has a great feel for the 1:10:33.160 --> 1:10:36.080 middle of the field. Like I do think stylistically he's 1:10:36.080 --> 1:10:38.640 a nice fit with McDaniels, Like if Godwin was like 1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:42.040 the apex of this player that might be available, it 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:45.519 would make sense for them to pivot stylistically to Cooper 1:10:45.600 --> 1:10:48.240 Cup And Okay, now you don't necessarily need to have 1:10:48.400 --> 1:10:50.320 him via trade, right, you can just get him if 1:10:50.360 --> 1:10:53.160 he's released at four o'clock. So I'm coming around to 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:55.200 the idea of just taking a flyer on one of 1:10:55.240 --> 1:10:58.679 these guys and hoping that the fountain of youth, you know, delivers, 1:10:58.840 --> 1:10:59.760 you know, for a year or two. 1:11:00.120 --> 1:11:03.200 Yes, you know. I at this point, I'm kind of like, 1:11:03.240 --> 1:11:05.400 all right, well, you choose between the age with Cup. 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:08.320 I'm done, I'm out of the Mari Cooper. I don't 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:10.280 think Mark Coop is gonna give you anything. Yeah, you're 1:11:10.360 --> 1:11:12.920 choosing between the age with Cup and the injury concerned 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:15.160 with Stefan Diggs. I think those are your two options. 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:18.160 I am very much on the record. Just be nervous 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:20.719 about wide receivers coming off injury. I said about Godwin, 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:25.080 I said about Ayuk. Everybody knows how much I like Diggs, 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:27.000 how great of a player I think he is. I 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:29.120 think the character stuff's overblown. I mean, he was named 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:32.280 a captain last year in his first year in Houston. Like, yeah, 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:35.120 he's a littles center, Show me good receiver. That isn't right. 1:11:35.920 --> 1:11:40.800 The guy clearly locked in when because the way then 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:43.880 the buffalo? But was that his fault? Or is everybody's 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:47.200 golden boy? Maybe not his gold and his play? Did 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:48.360 joel and beat m VP? 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:51.800 He I I don't know this. 1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:55.599 This isn't necessarily me saying sign Stefan Diggs because it's 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:57.559 coming off the torn a cl When will he be ready? 1:11:58.000 --> 1:11:59.679 You've seen them try to do this with guys before. 1:11:59.720 --> 1:12:03.200 But if it comes down to Diggs or Cup, I 1:12:03.240 --> 1:12:04.960 think he can make as strong a case for either. 1:12:05.080 --> 1:12:07.400 I don't know that I would say I would consider 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:10.719 Diggs as strongly I was as I would consider Cup. 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.120 But I don't know that. I'm I feel strongly one 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:16.040 way or the other. Like I wouldn't hate seeing them 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:18.000 at one of those guys at this point what things 1:12:18.040 --> 1:12:20.960 have come to. But I don't know. You want to 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:24.920 tell me that a cut makes sense because he fits 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:27.760 more in the offense and he's at least healthy or 1:12:27.880 --> 1:12:30.640 healthier and fine, you want to tell me Diggs is 1:12:30.640 --> 1:12:33.519 the answer because he's more of what they need in 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:36.120 theory when he's healthy, and he has more upside as 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:38.040 that number one guy and he's not quite as old. 1:12:38.439 --> 1:12:40.160 I could buy that argument too. I don't know I 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:42.040 could go either way on either one of them, but 1:12:42.080 --> 1:12:43.400 I would consider them both equally. 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:45.880 Stefan Diggs was better last year, no doubt about it. 1:12:46.080 --> 1:12:49.519 Like Stefan Diggs was still a top fifteen receiver in 1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:51.920 the league when he was healthy last year, so he 1:12:52.080 --> 1:12:55.400 certainly has a much higher ceiling. Like Stefan Diggs, you 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.280 could sign him and if he somehow bounces back with 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:01.040 no setbacks or anything like that from the ACL, he's 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:04.439 a number one receiver. Cooper Cup isn't at anymore. I 1:13:04.479 --> 1:13:06.240 think the biggest thing that you see with Cooper Cup 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:09.400 on tape is he used to be a demon after 1:13:09.520 --> 1:13:11.519 the catch, right Like he would catch the ball and 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:13.599 he'd be shot out of the cannon. He run those 1:13:13.680 --> 1:13:16.160 like five to six yard option routes, you know, those 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:18.519 juke routes as wiggle routes over the middle, and he 1:13:18.560 --> 1:13:20.760 would catch it and he would just be out of 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:24.160 the of the of the gates. He's not he doesn't 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:27.200 have that kind of juice anymore. So now on third 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:30.559 and three, when he catches that option rout over the middle, 1:13:30.960 --> 1:13:33.080 he might get you four yards, yeah, but he's not 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.320 getting you fourteen, whereas in twenty twenty one he was 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:40.360 getting you fourteen twenty twenty twenty five yards after the catch, 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:42.680 and that was you know why he had such a 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:46.000 great season. But he's not that player anymore. He can 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:48.040 still move the chains, he's just not going to run 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:51.559 by anybody or run through anybody. Stefan des can still 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:55.479 be a number one receiver just because he's healthier and 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.840 you're not worried about the whole ACL recovery and all that. 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:02.280 I'd probably lean towards Scooper Cup just a little bit, 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:05.439 but I hear I I wouldn't I opposed to either. 1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:07.479 At this point, you're kind of crossing your fingers and 1:14:07.560 --> 1:14:08.559 hoping either way, right. 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:10.760 Yeah, So but I think they're in a position where 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:13.120 they need to cross their fingers and hope, So why 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.679 not get the guy that may be hopeful a little 1:14:15.680 --> 1:14:17.519 bit more just because I think he's gonna be available 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:19.479 to start the season. Like, I think that's big. 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:22.519 And also, so here's the flip side of it. I 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:25.599 think you could argue that we broke this down before 1:14:25.640 --> 1:14:27.360 and we were talking about mac Hollins, like you're gonna 1:14:27.400 --> 1:14:29.320 have this roster crunch. Yeah, this is sort of what 1:14:29.360 --> 1:14:32.360 they did with Kendrick Borne last year. Well, now you 1:14:32.520 --> 1:14:35.040 kind of save a roster spot. You see in September, 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:37.720 who's who works in this new system from the young 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:40.720 guys who doesn't, and then Diggs comes in once you 1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:42.720 kind of have that all figured out, like you're not 1:14:42.880 --> 1:14:46.760 losing that much. So Diggs got hurt in October, right Halloween? Yeah, 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:49.559 so he again is the same time Kendrick Bourne did. Right, 1:14:49.640 --> 1:14:53.160 So kenn Bourne came back and what he's a player. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.799 Like he's not gonna So that means no off season program, 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.560 no training camp, no preseason. 1:14:58.840 --> 1:14:59.280 That's true. 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:02.920 Like you you start to build these things up, like 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:05.360 when's the first time that Stefan Diggs is gonna catch 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.679 passes from Drake may like it will be Halloween weekend 1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:11.000 twenty twenty five right when he's back on the field. 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:13.559 So I just look at Cooper Cup and I think 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:17.519 healthier to start the season would help because now he's 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:20.200 in the room. Now he's doing all the intangible stuff 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:21.720 that I think people are doing that. 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:23.920 Even for you are I'll say with Cup two last 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:27.599 three years, nine games, twelve games games, No, he's been 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:30.320 banged up. That's a guy you worry about being her production. 1:15:30.160 --> 1:15:33.120 Is in his in his advanced metrics have catered like 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:36.040 or cretered. Excuse me, like he's not He's not the 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:37.519 guy he was anymore. He's not. 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:39.639 I know. It's you're making valid points. 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:39.840 Again. 1:15:39.880 --> 1:15:42.360 I don't I wouldn't hate if they added one of them. 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:45.000 I don't know that I'm gonna if they signed one 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:46.439 of them, I would say that I should have had 1:15:46.479 --> 1:15:48.200 the other. Right, I think you can make a case 1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:50.040 for both of them. It's just sort of what you're 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:51.799 looking for, what you value in that signing. 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.240 All I'm making the case for because I agree with 1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:56.000 that last point that you just made. All I'm making 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:59.240 the case for is that a team like the Patriots 1:15:59.560 --> 1:16:01.439 has to take a fire on one of these guys. 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:04.439 That's all I'm making the case for. Take a fire 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:08.519 on one of them. At best, maybe you strike gold 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:11.519 and Steffan Diggs ends up going back to Buffalo. Stefan Diggs, 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.080 it is a great player for you. At worst, you 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:18.519 have a veteran adult in the room, been there, done 1:16:18.560 --> 1:16:21.080 it at a high level who can maybe be like 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.519 a wide receiver two for a year or two and 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:25.400 teach some of the young guys and bring them along. 1:16:25.479 --> 1:16:27.040 Can you have a receiver in the draft that your 1:16:27.080 --> 1:16:28.360 comp was Diggs? 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:30.759 Yeah, Mark Matthew Golden. 1:16:31.960 --> 1:16:34.880 Yeah, draft Matthew Golden, So Digs he can teach them. 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:39.120 So here's my other takeout wide receiver. I am coming 1:16:39.520 --> 1:16:43.439 more and more to the to terms the wrong word, 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:49.720 but like around to considering a offensive skill player at 1:16:49.800 --> 1:16:54.040 four overall on this drift because two things. One, I 1:16:54.200 --> 1:16:57.080 can't get that quote from Vrabel out of my head 1:16:57.120 --> 1:17:02.000 from the combine when we had the Yeah press conference 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:04.760 scrum and he mentioned that like a lot of the 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:07.200 time at that position, you have to draft your own Yep. 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:09.680 I can't get that out of my head. Like he's right, 1:17:09.880 --> 1:17:13.320 you know, they're not going to have somebody gift them 1:17:14.360 --> 1:17:16.720 a wide receiver one right, I hate that term. But 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:19.800 they're not gonna a top wide receiver, right, They're not 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:24.240 gonna gift him to you, Okay. And those guys don't 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:26.280 want to come here, like you can't get them to 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:29.040 come here. I don't know what the exact number was, 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:32.800 but they tried to aggressively pursue Gris God would and 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.240 pry him out of Tampa, and he took less money 1:17:35.400 --> 1:17:39.080 to not come here, significantly less. Dk Metcalf I don't 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:42.280 think was ever seriously considering a trade to the Patriot. 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:43.960 Sounds like they weren't considering it either. 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:45.840 But I don't think that that was I don't think 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:48.880 he was taking your money. Brandon Ayuk wouldn't take your money. 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:52.519 Calvin Ridley wouldn't take your money last year. So all 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:56.320 these players are telling you it's just not a desirable 1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:59.200 enough situation yet to land in New England. It just 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:04.439 isn't so what I would consider at four overall. If 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:07.559 it has to be four overall, we're talking Ted McMillan, 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:12.200 we're talking Tyler Warren. I don't think we're talking Matthew 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:15.479 Golden like I think that's really rich for Matthew Golden, 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:18.519 but he's getting a lot of you know, top receiver 1:18:18.640 --> 1:18:20.040 in this class wide receiver. 1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:22.320 Cling for Golden. Let's say you can trade down, you 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:24.000 trade down to ten. You're taking Golden at ten? 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:27.519 I might. Yeah, So I think we're talking those guys. 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:30.600 And because they made me yesterday, I'll put gent in 1:18:30.640 --> 1:18:32.760 there too, like you do have to. 1:18:32.960 --> 1:18:34.920 Yeah, and you can put them at the bottom of list. 1:18:35.040 --> 1:18:38.439 How about this one though, Let's say they don't sign 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:42.479 the left tackle. Let's say they don't sign Cam Robinson, 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:45.000 and I don't feel great about, you know, any of 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.679 the other guys that are out there being a definitive answer. 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:49.920 Maybe they're competing with Darien Lowe and they win the job, 1:18:50.160 --> 1:18:54.200 but they're not a definitive answer. After all of this, Yes, 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:58.320 after this, this whole freaking cycle, and I'm going back 1:18:58.400 --> 1:19:01.000 to August when we were doing shows in that other 1:19:01.080 --> 1:19:05.320 room when they were building the studio, right, Yeah, after 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:07.240 all this, is there a chance we come back around 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:11.280 to the conversation turning into Will Campbell versus Tat McMillan. 1:19:11.600 --> 1:19:14.400 I really am after all of this. 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:16.599 That was the two guys we said, it's either gonna 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:18.320 be the top left tackle in the draft, or the 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.760 top wide receiver in the draft. Those two were in. 1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:23.320 This is assuming Carter and Hunter off the board. Those 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:24.880 were the two guys we were looking at at the 1:19:24.960 --> 1:19:27.800 top of those respective positions. There's been some reporting that 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:30.880 the Patriots may still see Campbell as a tackle. To 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:33.320 your point, Mike Rabel said that thing about the wide receiver. 1:19:33.400 --> 1:19:35.599 If McMillan's at the top of their board. We went 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:38.720 through Abdol Carter, we went through Travis Hunter, We went 1:19:38.840 --> 1:19:41.599 through this weird phase where they were definitely trading down. 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:43.479 Then it was you know, well. 1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:46.000 Maybe this or maybe that six weeks ago. I mean, 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:46.679 we're gonna go through. 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:49.680 No, but I'm saying, is there a chance that by 1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:52.200 the end of this, because we're gonna do Ted McMillan 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:55.120 and Matthew Golden and Tyler Warren and Ashton Genty right now, 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:57.519 by the end of this, do we end up back 1:19:57.560 --> 1:20:02.280 where we started at August, where it's Will Campbell, Ted McMillan, 1:20:02.880 --> 1:20:05.000 who's your guy? And that's the conversation. 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:08.120 I feel like this happens every year. I mean, maybe 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:10.760 we're not. When they were picking lower we could really know, 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:14.080 but like we did this last year, Like we all 1:20:14.160 --> 1:20:16.880 came out of the gate and said quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, 1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:19.800 and then you know, everybody started to talk themselves out 1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:20.800 of the quarterbacks and then. 1:20:22.320 --> 1:20:25.040 Not all of us, not all of us. But I'm 1:20:25.120 --> 1:20:28.719 just saying this was a pretty consensus around them. 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:32.360 You know, consensus for the most part too. Like, obviously 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:35.560 Travis Hunter would be the dream in this scenario that 1:20:35.680 --> 1:20:39.280 I'm I'm picturing right now as as your top wide receiver. 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:42.920 But like when you look at that group, I think 1:20:42.960 --> 1:20:46.439 it's it's a real strong consideration. You're not going to 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.320 get Abdul Carter, right, I think that's a that's an 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:50.799 absolute pipe dream. 1:20:52.320 --> 1:20:52.519 There. 1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:56.560 There's not a Joe Alt tackle in this draft. You know, 1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:02.639 Will Campbell at four to be an absolutely gigantic arm 1:21:02.920 --> 1:21:08.519 length wingspan outlier. Yeah, is a risky proposition. And my 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:12.080 point being with like, let's just say it's Tech McMillan, 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.280 because I think he's probably the best player out out 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:18.240 of this group to fit this this argument besides Travis Hunter. 1:21:18.880 --> 1:21:23.200 With Tep McMillan. Okay, so let's say Tep McMillan is 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:27.080 really only should really be cast as as a second 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:28.519 wide receiver right, like he's. 1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:30.719 Just let's say he's Drake London. We'll go back to sure. 1:21:30.680 --> 1:21:33.040 Liket's say he's Drake London. Is say it's T Higgins, 1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:36.960 like he's a he's a wide receiver too. Really, well, 1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:41.160 if you're that much better in twenty five and he's 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:44.599 a really good player in twenty five, now in twenty six, 1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:47.240 like you might be able to get DK Metcalf, you 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:50.360 might be able to get that true number one. 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.200 The Bengals got Higgins before they got chased, right, Yeah, 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:55.280 to have that timeline right right, that's a ssue what 1:21:55.320 --> 1:21:55.879 you're saying. 1:21:55.720 --> 1:22:00.000 Great point, right, like maybe your order operations isn't perfect, 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:03.880 but you just put a good enough product, Like you 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:05.920 get to that floor where you put a good enough 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:08.880 product on the field. Next year, Drake may takes those 1:22:09.000 --> 1:22:11.400 next steps where now all of a sudden, in twenty 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:14.719 twenty six, you are a wide receiver destination and also. 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:17.120 What looks like a mutt in long way out but 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:19.120 what looks like a much better wide receiver track. 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:23.000 Sure, or you know someone comes free and via trade 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:26.439 again or or free agency again, probably trade and now 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:30.839 that player wants to come here, So I don't necessarily 1:22:30.920 --> 1:22:34.000 even need Ted McMillan to be the answer to all 1:22:34.080 --> 1:22:37.120 the problems. He might just be a step towards the end. 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:38.840 But are you okay taking that guy at four? I 1:22:38.880 --> 1:22:40.320 think there'd be people saying, well, if you take the 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:41.560 guy at four, he should be the guy at the 1:22:41.560 --> 1:22:42.200 top the depth truck. 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:44.560 But he still has a chance to be that. I 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:46.680 still think he has a ceiling that could be that. 1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:49.680 But my point being is that it's not this end 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:52.400 of the world scenario if he's not that, Like, if 1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:54.680 he's not that, then at least you still have a 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:58.280 really good high end wide receiver too, And in twenty 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:00.880 twenty six you go for the big fit should get Like, 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:03.519 what's so wrong with that scenario? Like why is that 1:23:03.640 --> 1:23:04.160 such a bad? 1:23:04.240 --> 1:23:05.400 Hell? I don't hate that. 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:08.120 And the last thing I would just say about it 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:11.559 at the top of the draft is that I don't 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:14.519 see a lot of separation between these players, Like if 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:19.519 you throw Teed McMillan, Mason Graham, Will Campbell, mikel Williams, 1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:23.960 Jalon Walker, Tyler Warren, like, I don't see the talent 1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:26.760 level being all that different across these players. And I 1:23:26.840 --> 1:23:29.160 keep saying the same thing, like this is gonna be 1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:32.680 as much about fit for each individual team as it's 1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:35.439 gonna be best player available. It's so easy to sit 1:23:35.479 --> 1:23:38.080 here and just say, just draft the best player on 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:41.240 your board. This year's there's not gonna be a lot 1:23:41.280 --> 1:23:46.200 of separation between these guys. There's not gonna be that. Okay, 1:23:46.400 --> 1:23:49.120 you know, this guy's a blue chip prospect and this 1:23:49.240 --> 1:23:51.720 guy isn't. Like that doesn't exist in this draft. Pass 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:55.080 Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. So if I can easily 1:23:55.160 --> 1:23:57.640 tell you that Travis or that Teed McMillan is going 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:00.640 to be as good of a player as Mason, like, 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:03.560 I think that that's an easy thing to pitch. So 1:24:04.200 --> 1:24:06.400 I'm coming around to that because of what Rabel said 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:08.800 at the combine. I'm coming around to it because it 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:12.080 just what's the best pick for the football team might 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:14.880 be that, And just to finish that take, when we 1:24:14.920 --> 1:24:19.080 get into the left tackle conversation, I don't hate the 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:21.240 idea of trading back up into the back end of 1:24:21.280 --> 1:24:24.559 the first round to get the next wave of tackles, right, 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:28.760 Get Josh Connerly, get a Josh Simmons. Maybe at that point, 1:24:28.800 --> 1:24:31.200 if you sign somebody in free agency like Cam Robinson 1:24:31.240 --> 1:24:35.720 on a bridge contract that could make some sense. Arianti Ursery, right, 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:37.800 might start to make sense now at the top of 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:41.200 the second or late first, like, there are options like 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:44.320 that in this draft in that twenty to forty range 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:47.439 that you can still come out of the draft with 1:24:47.720 --> 1:24:50.519 a guy that can play the left side, that has 1:24:50.600 --> 1:24:53.240 the upside to be a starting caliber left tackle. So 1:24:53.320 --> 1:24:55.960 it's not like you're completely missing out on the tackle either, 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:58.640 Like would you In my mind, I'm just getting to 1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:01.200 the point now where you know, I've kind of written 1:25:01.240 --> 1:25:03.519 off Will Campbell as a guard, Like, I don't think 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:04.360 that it's a. 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:09.200 Why huge choice they have. That was more the point 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:11.439 I was making with the full circle regardless of what 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:13.559 we maybe, do you think they've written him off? 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:19.280 Yes, I go inside information, Yeah, I just I don't 1:25:19.360 --> 1:25:22.599 necessarily think that they would take a complete outlier at 1:25:22.680 --> 1:25:25.240 four overall, right now, I don't think this regime has 1:25:25.400 --> 1:25:29.800 enough built up like Cachet to take that kind of 1:25:29.880 --> 1:25:31.960 pick and have him turn out to be a guard, 1:25:32.280 --> 1:25:34.200 right and have it turned out to work that out 1:25:34.280 --> 1:25:37.519 that way for them. So would you rather, and this 1:25:37.680 --> 1:25:41.960 is the draft, would you rather? Tet McMillan, and let's 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:43.679 just call it because I think it's the most realistic 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:46.320 in terms of not trading all around the board Tech 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:52.800 McMillan and Arianta Ursery or Will Campbell and insert you 1:25:52.840 --> 1:25:55.800 know day two wide receiver here, Jayden Higgins. 1:25:55.520 --> 1:26:01.040 Jaden Higgins. Sure, probably McMillan a Nursery. 1:26:01.680 --> 1:26:03.680 That's just the way I'm leaning right now, because I 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:05.519 at least I know those two guys are built to 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:07.120 play the positions we're going to try to play a 1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:10.840 man right like you and you're not trying to put 1:26:11.040 --> 1:26:13.599 a guard at tackle or you know, a right tackle 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:15.639 at left tackle or a left tackle at right tackle 1:26:15.720 --> 1:26:19.479 like everybody ten. McMillan's an x arionte Ersery is a 1:26:19.560 --> 1:26:22.200 left tackle, yes, and we're not messing around, and neither 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:22.679 of them are. 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:24.639 Hurt, and neither of them are like they're just they're 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:27.080 ready to go. Yeah, high floor picks. That's essentially what 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:30.280 you're campaigning for here, high floor picks. Yeah, all right, 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:34.200 and then well, Ursery is the ceiling guy. I don't 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:35.840 want to put Ursery in that like he's not a 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:38.280 floor guy, but in the way you're phrasing it, yeah, 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:40.240 I think that's kind of what they need, right now right, 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.599 there a third one in there for you. Sure, there's 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:44.960 a little more maneuvering on the board, but this is 1:26:45.000 --> 1:26:47.599 like the trade down trade up thing. Yeah, Matthew Golden, 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:51.840 Josh Simmons, Yeah, yeah, and I I know, but I'm 1:26:51.840 --> 1:26:53.759 saying like that or McMillan a nursery. 1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:57.439 So here's my my other part of this take, right, 1:26:58.240 --> 1:27:02.640 I'm also coming around to Obviously, Cam Robinson is not 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:05.839 having the market Cam Robinson was expecting to have. If 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:08.479 there was an offer out there for Cam Robinson for 1:27:09.160 --> 1:27:12.640 three for sixty, he would be signed already right like that, 1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:16.280 that would be done. So his market is maybe lukewarm. 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:18.080 And I know that there's been some reporting. I think 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:21.760 Breer added that there's some concern about motivation and just 1:27:21.920 --> 1:27:24.479 effort and all those kinds of things with Cam Robinson. 1:27:24.960 --> 1:27:28.960 So is it and I'm just kind of facilitating here, 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:33.240 is it a good scenario for the Patriots too? Maybe 1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:36.720 you signed Cam robinsonto a one year deal that is 1:27:37.479 --> 1:27:41.000 basically the deal that the Jets gave Tyron Smith last year. 1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:43.560 It's one for like fifteen. 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:45.920 Issues significant money, but just for one year. 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.600 And it's incentive laden. And at that point you at 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:52.040 least again have a player on the roster that has 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:54.840 played left tackle in the NFL at a starting caliber level. 1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:58.720 And now you can draft Josh Simmons, where now you 1:27:58.800 --> 1:27:59.880 can draft the high ups. 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:03.240 You have to get Robinson to take the contract. 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:06.600 But yeah, but I'm just saying that now that it. 1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:07.880 Would open that up a little bit. 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:08.160 Yeah. 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:11.559 Like I know, I've been very anti them drafting Josh Simmons. 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:14.320 If he's not the first player they take and they 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:17.200 get a guy like Cam Robinson on the roster, I 1:28:17.240 --> 1:28:18.800 don't know that it would be my favorite pick, But 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:20.160 it makes a lot more sense now. 1:28:20.439 --> 1:28:24.400 That that's another logical scenario for them. Yeah, because right 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:28.599 now the lev tackles in free agency, it's Cam Robinson. 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:31.240 It's right, Like I know so many people like Jedrick Wills. 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:34.400 Just the way it ended last year in Cleveland, I'm 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:36.880 not sure that's the kind of guy they're looking to add. Now, 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:39.479 maybe you could say Robinson isn't neither, but Robinson's a 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:41.080 much more proven player, right. 1:28:41.080 --> 1:28:44.680 So I think it's Robinson or busting free agency. If 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:48.360 I'm going to invest in Robinson again, I'm thinking of 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:54.360 one year deal, high money, high guarantee. It resets his value. 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:57.000 It gives the Patriots a safety net if their draft 1:28:57.080 --> 1:28:58.040 pick doesn't work out. 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:00.640 But you also have a draft you also want to 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:02.120 have a draft pick in the building to push him 1:29:02.120 --> 1:29:02.559 one hundred. 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:05.519 Like, yeah, you still absolutely need to draft to a 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:08.679 left tackle in the top fifty. Like there's guy's not debatable. 1:29:08.800 --> 1:29:11.000 Yeah, top one hundred. I'd call it top one, top fifty. 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:13.120 If you get like Anthony Belton, that's seventy seven. I 1:29:13.200 --> 1:29:14.160 think that. 1:29:14.400 --> 1:29:19.439 Nope, no, higher disagree then Connerley Ursery, Josh Simmons, one 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:21.080 of those guys has to be on this roster. 1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:23.439 Just the scenario, Well, we're kind of updating takes post 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.400 for agency, and we're on tackles. Membo, we're done with 1:29:26.640 --> 1:29:28.880 for the Patriots, We're done with arm On Membo. I think, so, 1:29:29.040 --> 1:29:31.120 I agree with you. He's a right tackle. He's a 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:32.960 good right tackle. Yeah, but he's a right tackle. 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:34.160 I don't know that. 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:37.759 And yeah, it's probably only one year for Morgan Moses. 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:40.519 I'm not using a top ten pick to get a 1:29:40.880 --> 1:29:42.160 future right tackle. 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:45.439 Like no, And I'm not out on like Ozzy Traprilo. 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:46.479 Sure, yeah, no. 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:48.559 If you want to get the next guy right, you draft, 1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:50.360 even the third round and he's the next guy. 1:29:50.439 --> 1:29:52.360 We don't want to do that afore right. Yeah. 1:29:53.200 --> 1:29:56.000 I we'll see where Covin Banks ends up. Yeah, I 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:58.559 think he's at Covin Banks is going to settle at 1:29:58.640 --> 1:30:01.320 a top twenty pick. Like, I don't think that he's 1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:03.240 gonna have this fall that some people think that he's 1:30:03.240 --> 1:30:05.760 gonna have. But we'll see where he ends up. You know, 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:08.000 is there a chance that he I think Amarius Mims 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:11.160 went twenty last year exactly, Like if he's at twenty, Like, 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:13.680 can you make that trade? It's eighteen spots, it's a 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:16.040 big trade, but can you make it happen? Right? And 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:17.280 maybe you actually get Banks. 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:20.960 I mean that's probably close to that's pretty close to 1:30:21.000 --> 1:30:23.320 the trade when they moved back and got Dugger, Yeah, 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:31.200 which was twenty three for I think thirty six and 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:34.200 seventy one. Yeah, so you throw in like a future 1:30:34.520 --> 1:30:37.599 day three pick. Maybe he gets it done. Yeah, yeah, 1:30:37.960 --> 1:30:39.840 that would make it. And you're talking about Banks as 1:30:39.840 --> 1:30:40.280 a left. 1:30:40.160 --> 1:30:43.080 Tackle, correct, Yeah, yeah, that could work right, So you know, 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:45.760 you trade back up into the twenties and you kind 1:30:45.760 --> 1:30:52.160 of put yourself on the board for Banks, potentially Connorly Simmons, 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:54.640 like all those guys at the back end of the 1:30:54.680 --> 1:30:57.920 first round, I think that that's a viable option as well. 1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:02.479 So that's left tackle, wide and wide receiver when it 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:05.200 comes to edge. I mean we've kicked some names around already. 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:09.280 I still think that you need you need somebody kind 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:11.519 of a similarly, you know, talking about safety nets like 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.280 I don't know if Harold Landry has the juice anymore 1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:17.639 to be a really good, you know, third down pass 1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:21.000 rusher like I does. The metrics aren't good. They're not 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:23.640 friendly to him right now in terms of that, So 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:26.719 maybe he's not that guy anymore. So you might actually 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:28.880 have to be taking some of these guys off the field, 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:31.479 like you might still be a little bit situational with 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:34.840 your rushers, So you need another really good pass rusher 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:38.519 off the edge. We mentioned free safety, so we kind 1:31:38.520 --> 1:31:41.720 of threw out names already for those two positions into 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:45.120 your offensive line. Still a big need to me, I 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:51.639 am not counting on Robinson so and Strange Nope or better, 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:53.840 they can compete. I mean, I think they're good, and 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:56.960 I think at least like Ben Brown, he's your backup center. 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:59.800 That's a pretty good situation. But I'm not having those 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.280 eyes and starting roles without competition, No like it. 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:04.559 Right now, if they had to play a game tomorrow, 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:07.080 they still have a Darian little left tackle, which is 1:32:07.160 --> 1:32:07.599 not well. 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:09.480 They don't have play game tomorrow, thankfully. 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:11.760 Right but just to play out the exercise, they still 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:13.800 have a Darian little left tackle, which is not okay 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:16.040 with me like that, that can't be it. And at 1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:20.160 left guard they're still at you know, Leyden Robinson, Cole 1:32:20.200 --> 1:32:22.800 Strange City, so competing. I would just like to see 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:25.639 the mat A veteran body there, you know, Josh Myers 1:32:25.720 --> 1:32:28.080 is a center up pure center from Green Bay. He's 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:30.559 out there still. I watched a little bit of Tevin 1:32:30.600 --> 1:32:33.000 Jenkins yesterday. I didn't think he moved very well last year. 1:32:33.040 --> 1:32:36.799 Looks injured. I don't know. There's potentially chronic back issues 1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.240 there with Tevin Jenkins, which would worry me right in 1:32:39.360 --> 1:32:42.240 terms of his mobility. Uh so that would be maybe 1:32:42.280 --> 1:32:43.760 a little bit concerning. And then a lot of the 1:32:43.840 --> 1:32:47.080 other guys are are our right guards by trade, you know, 1:32:47.280 --> 1:32:49.400 Kevin Zeitler's of the world, like those guys all are 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:53.320 right guards. But I still think that there's there's another 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:58.040 option there. Maybe it's a true center. Maybe it's it's 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:01.800 Jenkins to play the left guard spot. Uh. The one 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:05.559 that I would really now strongly consider is McKai Becton. 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:08.240 You know, I think that side. 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:10.599 Yeah, I think the guy Becton at left guard would 1:33:10.640 --> 1:33:14.160 be perfectly fine. I really like the idea becked that 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:15.640 he might make a little bit too much money for 1:33:15.720 --> 1:33:18.080 what they're willing to spend there. Uh, but I think 1:33:18.120 --> 1:33:21.120 that McKay Beckton is what exactly what I'm looking for, right, Like, 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:23.439 you know, you've said it now, like you're that he's 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:26.479 your left guard going into next season. So those are 1:33:26.520 --> 1:33:28.720 the spots or anybody else that that I didn't mention 1:33:28.840 --> 1:33:33.639 that are worth mentioning before we go back? Agen, Yeah, 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:36.600 that's available. 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So, a couple of names I was thinking about 1:35:19.360 --> 1:35:24.040 in the draft after a free agency late like day two, 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:28.880 maybe early day three, like aneas People's ty Robinson, Omar 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:32.880 Norman Lock guys at interior pass rushers, to like kind 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:35.400 of build up that spot in case Barmore doesn't come back. 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:38.760 Also Ola Daho, who is a great run stopper on 1:35:38.840 --> 1:35:42.320 the edge. I also wanted to say Jaden Higgins in 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:45.120 the second round, right you said? Mike Brabel said you 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:47.800 need to draft those guys. He drafted aj Brown in 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:50.040 the second round. He didn't take him top five. I 1:35:50.080 --> 1:35:53.840 think Ted McMillan's vastly overrated. But I also wanted to 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:55.960 ask you guys, because you guys were at the Senior Bowl, 1:35:56.080 --> 1:35:56.600 right both of you. 1:35:57.240 --> 1:35:58.200 Evan was yep. 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:02.400 Okay, So I had heard a report. I don't remember 1:36:02.479 --> 1:36:04.479 exactly where it was, but I heard somebody that was 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:07.400 there saying like it was kind of like a worst 1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:10.479 kept secret sort of thing that Mike Rabel and staff 1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:13.400 were absolutely in love with Will Campbell. Like thought he 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:15.519 was the best player in the draft, would take him 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.400 number one to play left tackle, didn't care about his 1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:21.200 arm length, et cetera, et cetera. Mike Rabel, Now, I 1:36:21.240 --> 1:36:22.960 haven't met the man. I'm not friends with the man, 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:26.640 but he just everything that I see he does in 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:30.679 terms of hiring, in terms of what I've heard reported 1:36:30.720 --> 1:36:32.160 about him, is that, you know, he's kind of a 1:36:32.320 --> 1:36:37.200 very loyal and maybe sometimes a little stubborn guy. And 1:36:37.479 --> 1:36:40.720 I just wouldn't be surprised and maybe that was the 1:36:40.840 --> 1:36:44.639 plan given everything that they haven't done at left tackle 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:48.200 and free agency you got did you hear that at 1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:50.760 all at senior ball? Did you get that impression? Do 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:53.920 you think that could be the plan? And then what 1:36:54.000 --> 1:36:55.639 do you think about Jaden Higgins in the second round, 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:57.600 because I think he's the best wide receiver prospect in 1:36:57.640 --> 1:37:01.920 this draft personally, he's got better physical tooln't a comparable 1:37:02.280 --> 1:37:04.519 production in a comparable situation. 1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:08.080 Thanks for the call, Randy appreciated. I didn't hear any 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:11.680 anything that definitive on Will Campbell. There's been a lot 1:37:11.760 --> 1:37:16.160 of reporting that the Patriots weren't overly caught up in 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:18.720 the arm length stuff, right, Like I we have heard 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:19.880 that from multiple outlets. 1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:25.559 I'm right or wrong. I still think that there's maybe 1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:27.959 a chance that they view Will Camberl in certain situations 1:37:28.000 --> 1:37:30.280 as a tackle. I'm not totally writing that off. 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:34.080 No, I'm not totally writing it off. I don't think 1:37:34.160 --> 1:37:37.120 that they're that they were that set in anything. 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:40.000 Maybe maybe that strong, especially like. 1:37:40.080 --> 1:37:43.400 To have that early, to have it that set in 1:37:43.600 --> 1:37:47.720 January is pretty unrealistic to me, especially if they have 1:37:47.760 --> 1:37:49.280 been on the job for like a couple of weeks 1:37:49.320 --> 1:37:51.720 at that point. Like, I just can't imagine that they 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:54.560 have had enough intel to be that dead set on 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:58.400 anybody in this draft. Now that being said, I would 1:37:58.400 --> 1:38:01.639 be absolutely floored if they had Will Campbell rated higher 1:38:01.680 --> 1:38:06.479 than Travis Hunter like they have been. There's been reports. 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:11.240 We had Elliott Wolf on our draft podcast at the 1:38:11.320 --> 1:38:15.760 Combine really excited about Travis Hunter. Like, I would be 1:38:15.800 --> 1:38:18.840 absolutely shocked if they think that Travis that Will Campbell 1:38:18.920 --> 1:38:21.120 is a better prospect than Travis Hunter, just from everything 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:21.680 that we've heard. 1:38:21.880 --> 1:38:25.200 Yeah, But all I'm saying is I'm not closing the 1:38:25.280 --> 1:38:27.080 door on the idea that they view Will Campbell as 1:38:27.080 --> 1:38:27.439 a tackle. 1:38:27.760 --> 1:38:31.439 No, I'm not closing any doors to his point about 1:38:31.520 --> 1:38:35.360 Jaden Higgins. I'm a big Jaden Niggins fan. I think 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:39.040 he plays slower than he tested. I don't think he 1:38:39.680 --> 1:38:43.439 necessarily runs as well as I like that forty booty away. 1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:45.160 I thought he was going to be mid four five's. 1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:48.720 He was four four seven. I did not expect that 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:50.600 kind of speed out of him. He doesn't play to 1:38:50.680 --> 1:38:54.000 that speed on tape. I'm usually a guy that is 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:57.280 a tape over combine forty time type of guy, like 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:00.200 I try to trust it and trust my eye in 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.640 that sense. When I watched Jaden Higgins on tape, I 1:39:03.720 --> 1:39:09.479 thought more crafty than athlete. You know, explosiveness his combine 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:11.320 blew me away. I mean he was a great athlete 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:15.959 in terms of the testing. Yeah, and all walks, you know, agility. 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:19.240 I don't know if he did those, but explosiveness forty 1:39:19.360 --> 1:39:22.880 times size like had it all. He to me is 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.800 more you know the guy that I would comp Jaden 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.720 Higgins too, is like a Michael Pittman in HINDI, where 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:30.840 like he's big bodied so he can win some of 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:33.560 those jump balls down the field. But he's really a 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:37.599 possession receiver. He's really a first and second level receiver. 1:39:38.880 --> 1:39:41.080 I'm okay, like I like Jaden Higgins. I'm not saying 1:39:41.120 --> 1:39:44.639 that I think he's a bad prospect. I actually one 1:39:44.680 --> 1:39:47.759 thing that Randy said that he thought that Teed McMillan 1:39:47.880 --> 1:39:50.479 is very overrated. I think we've gone too far in 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:52.800 that direction with Tet McMillan. Yeah, I think we have 1:39:52.920 --> 1:39:56.320 now underrated Teed McMillan because everybody is saying that he 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:59.960 was overrated to begin with. I've said time and time 1:40:00.200 --> 1:40:04.679 again that he isn't a Marvin Harrison Molik Neighbors Roma 1:40:04.720 --> 1:40:07.559 Dunees a level prospect. He never was and he never 1:40:07.720 --> 1:40:10.519 is going to be. I would probably have him in 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:13.639 that conversation in that next wave of last year's class 1:40:13.920 --> 1:40:17.120 with like Brian Thomas Junior and Xavier Worthy and those 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:20.760 types of players. He's not Marvin Harrison Junior. He's not 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:23.760 Leak Neighbors. But now I feel like we've gone the 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:27.000 other direction where like he's he's stiff, and you know, 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:29.559 Jayden Higgins, who's gonna go on day two and Ted's 1:40:29.560 --> 1:40:31.400 gonna go day one, is actually a better player, like, 1:40:31.560 --> 1:40:33.679 I think that's we're getting a little crazy. 1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:36.240 Yeah, No, I'm with you. He's still a good player. 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:38.640 He's just not We've had how many years of these 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:41.639 generational wide receiver generational I should say in air quotes 1:40:41.680 --> 1:40:45.040 wide receiver prospects. If they're coming every year, they're not generational. 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:47.360 And now this year he's just not quite that guy. 1:40:47.439 --> 1:40:48.439 Sobody thinks he sucks. 1:40:49.160 --> 1:40:51.320 You have to be realistic about what you're getting. You're 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:53.519 not getting a field stretcher. You're getting a guy that's 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:57.680 gonna win with size and fluidity and and you know, 1:40:57.800 --> 1:41:00.280 snappy at the top of the route at the first 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:01.000 and second level. 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:04.120 He's he's not He's not Harry Like. I think that's 1:41:04.160 --> 1:41:05.000 what so many people are. 1:41:05.280 --> 1:41:06.240 Definitely a different player. 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:07.840 Let me ask you this, this is a weird question. 1:41:10.720 --> 1:41:14.439 If what is the comp for Teed McMillan if he's 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:17.439 a bust right, because it's not if he busts, he's 1:41:17.479 --> 1:41:18.920 not gonna bust in the way Nikill Hary did. 1:41:19.000 --> 1:41:20.200 Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. 1:41:20.280 --> 1:41:23.360 Yeah, So, like what is maybe to get people to 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:29.800 understand this a little more like right ceiling middle floor comps? Right? 1:41:30.040 --> 1:41:30.320 Yeah, So. 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:34.400 I don't. Drake London is not t Higgins is probably 1:41:34.400 --> 1:41:35.280 the ceiling comp. 1:41:35.160 --> 1:41:37.080 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Drake lenn had a 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:37.880 great year last. 1:41:37.840 --> 1:41:40.120 Drake London is the mid, he's middle to high middle. 1:41:40.479 --> 1:41:44.360 Who is the basement bust comp for tech McMillan. I 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:45.719 don't think it's Nakhill Harry. 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:48.200 I have to think about that. I don't know, Like 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:49.560 I don't have a great one off the top of 1:41:49.600 --> 1:41:53.439 my head. You know, big body receiver that just can't 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:54.960 get open would be it would be the game. 1:41:55.080 --> 1:41:56.800 Well, but people would tell you that's Nakhill Harry. 1:41:56.920 --> 1:41:59.479 But but Nikhil Harry was stiff, like to kill Harry 1:41:59.520 --> 1:42:01.880 was robot. Nikhil Harry had too right, He's still like, 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:02.960 that's not Teed McMillan. 1:42:03.040 --> 1:42:05.599 Even if you drat, even if he's a bus, he's 1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:06.840 still gonna have his physical traits. 1:42:07.120 --> 1:42:10.640 TEP McMillan is just not super fast. I don't know, 1:42:10.840 --> 1:42:14.559 was it Quentin Johnson? No, Quentin Johnson's fast. Quentin Johnson's 1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:16.559 an explosive guy. He just can't catch. 1:42:16.600 --> 1:42:18.439 I'm just kind of looking back through. Oh, well, think 1:42:18.439 --> 1:42:20.599 about it. I'll think about that. Bet john Dotson. 1:42:20.960 --> 1:42:21.920 No, not big enough. 1:42:22.320 --> 1:42:25.400 Not Cadarius Tony. I'm looking at like previous high draft 1:42:25.439 --> 1:42:28.840 pick bus not Jalen Rager, Laviskas. 1:42:28.439 --> 1:42:31.599 Chanal, No, Laviskas. Hlt's like Corkal pattern. 1:42:31.640 --> 1:42:32.479 Oh, Chase Claypool. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:35.800 Maybe that's not a bad one. Chase Coople was a 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:38.800 great athlete, though Chase Claypole could fly. 1:42:39.280 --> 1:42:41.680 I I always thought that forty was kind of like 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:44.280 you said about Higgins, like was he really that fast? 1:42:45.520 --> 1:42:47.880 He was a good athlete, had a really good rook here. 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:48.800 Cory Davis. 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:52.880 Not terrible. But no, let's think about it. Let's get 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.559 back to the phones, and we'll think about Will Fuller. Uh, 1:42:55.920 --> 1:42:57.880 Kendall's in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall? 1:42:59.120 --> 1:42:59.720 Hey, what's going on? 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:02.559 Yeah? 1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:03.120 I want to know. 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:08.880 There's two quarterbacks to go four this year? And if 1:43:08.960 --> 1:43:12.000 Russell Wilson goes to the Giants, do you think they 1:43:12.000 --> 1:43:12.920 have still go quarterback? 1:43:14.520 --> 1:43:17.320 If Russell Wilson goes to the Giants? Uh, thanks for 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:19.600 the call, Candle. If the Giants signed Russell Wilson or 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:21.880 Aaron Rodgers, I think they're out on quarterback at three. 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:26.439 If they signed Aaron Rodgers, definitely. If cam Ward gets 1:43:26.479 --> 1:43:28.439 to three, does Brian Dave All look at it and say, 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:29.880 all right, I have Russ for a year or two, 1:43:29.920 --> 1:43:31.679 and now I have my next guy in the pipeline 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:35.960 that wouldn't surprise me. He's he's a quarterbacks guy. And 1:43:36.120 --> 1:43:38.679 Russell Wilson does see he went through that all justin 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:40.960 fields last year. Russell Wilson, I think, is the kind 1:43:40.960 --> 1:43:43.160 of guy that might actually mentor the next guy. Rodgers 1:43:43.200 --> 1:43:45.240 isn't doing that. Rodgers isn't gonna let you draft quarterback 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:47.680 at three. That's out the window. I could see them 1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:49.040 double dipping if it's Russell Wilson. 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:52.680 I think the only reason why I why I I 1:43:52.800 --> 1:43:55.640 guess they could teams like the Giants or Cleveland if 1:43:55.640 --> 1:43:58.760 they signed a Wilson or Rodgers could buck trends. Is 1:43:58.760 --> 1:44:01.360 because of your boy, Michael Pennock, right, like, yeah, you know, 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:04.320 the Falcons draft Michael Pennix and it ends up working out, 1:44:04.400 --> 1:44:06.759 you know, maybe not the exact way that they wanted 1:44:06.840 --> 1:44:09.479 it to, but it worked, but it worked because you know, 1:44:09.600 --> 1:44:13.679 really all the other things with the trends, like Shaudre 1:44:13.760 --> 1:44:16.200 Sanders and cam Ward are older, like they're you know, 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:19.400 they're they've been in college for a while. Shouldur obviously transferred. 1:44:20.080 --> 1:44:22.760 You know, cam Ward is is another four or five 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:24.360 year starter school. 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:25.040 I know that. 1:44:25.200 --> 1:44:27.880 Yeah, yeah so he they both are are twenty four. 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:30.360 I want to say they're not that. Yeah, I think 1:44:30.400 --> 1:44:33.880 they are now so but yeah, like the Michael Pennock 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:35.200 situation is not a bad copy. 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:35.920 Yeah yeah. 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:38.840 Cam Ward will turn twenty three in May. Okay, so 1:44:38.960 --> 1:44:41.759 he's going to be twenty four, twenty three year old rookie. 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:44.920 Yeah you should just turned twenty three. Yeah, yeah, I 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:46.000 don't think was that old. 1:44:46.120 --> 1:44:46.920 Yeah, I'm always that. 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:48.720 I forgot he's a Jackson State for two years. 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:50.000 Yeah, Jackson ar State. 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:51.960 So he's at Jackson State, but I thought only for 1:44:52.000 --> 1:44:52.280 a year. 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:56.599 So they're older prospects. And I the only reason why 1:44:56.600 --> 1:44:59.240 I bring that up because your boy Penis is kind 1:44:59.280 --> 1:45:01.559 of thrown that like it doesn't matter, right. 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:04.760 Well, you got Michael Pennicks a baller, Like, let's not 1:45:04.800 --> 1:45:07.439 forget that. Yeah, the guy can I take Panics over 1:45:07.560 --> 1:45:09.520 ward or Sanders under. 1:45:09.520 --> 1:45:12.559 But my point being with the age thing is actually 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:15.840 more that, especially in Shador's case, I think there's still 1:45:15.920 --> 1:45:18.960 room to grow for cam Ward because he's toolsy enough 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:21.360 that I could see more upside there with the with 1:45:21.520 --> 1:45:24.559 coaching and everything, I kind of feel like Shador is Shador, 1:45:24.840 --> 1:45:27.320 Like I, he's sort of a floor quarterback to me, 1:45:27.760 --> 1:45:29.920 Like I I, I don't necessarily look at Shador and 1:45:30.320 --> 1:45:34.120 and see like a ton of physical upside there for 1:45:34.240 --> 1:45:35.920 him as a player, Like I think that he's going 1:45:36.000 --> 1:45:38.479 to be a guy that could probably start in the 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:44.519 league next year and and be a functional game management manager. 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:47.519 I think he's in that same category. 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:51.080 Yeah, just because the line was so bad at Colorado, 1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:53.160 I think there's maybe some room for him to grow there. 1:45:53.160 --> 1:45:54.599 But I get what you're saying, Like, I don't think 1:45:54.640 --> 1:45:57.000 that Shador is going to take these massive leaps in 1:45:57.040 --> 1:45:59.800 the NFL, is my point. I'm with you there. 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:02.439 So like if you're a team like the Giants or 1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.920 the Browns and you draft Shador and now you sign 1:46:06.000 --> 1:46:08.519 Aaron Rodgers, so at least for a year, you're gonna 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:10.680 sit a door on the bench for another year, Like, 1:46:11.240 --> 1:46:13.719 I just don't see why you why bother again. 1:46:13.520 --> 1:46:15.160 I think you look what happened with the Falcons. You 1:46:15.200 --> 1:46:18.080 sign one of these veteran quarterbacks, a guy who is 1:46:18.160 --> 1:46:19.880 on the back end, and you want to be ready 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:20.639 if he drops off. 1:46:21.040 --> 1:46:23.599 I'm just having a tough time imagining it's. 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:25.800 Not gonna It's not gonna happen with Rogers because Rodgers 1:46:25.800 --> 1:46:28.439 won't let it happen. I just feel like I think 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:33.519 with Russell Wilson could happen. Yeah, it's a copycat league. Wait, hang, 1:46:33.560 --> 1:46:35.040 I got a couple more receiver bus for you. 1:46:35.160 --> 1:46:37.680 I just think it's it's a copycat league and that 1:46:37.800 --> 1:46:40.720 might change things. But to your point about Penis being good, 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:43.479 like Pennix might have just been so good that the 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:45.880 Falcons looked at it and were like, we can't pass 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:47.120 on this, trying to. 1:46:47.120 --> 1:46:49.639 Tell people you can get them with the second row. 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:52.840 I will never stop with that victory. This is not 1:46:52.920 --> 1:46:54.519 the point of the only one that's gonna be would 1:46:54.520 --> 1:46:56.559 have been bigger is that the Vikings had signed a quarterback. 1:46:57.160 --> 1:47:00.120 But right, like Penix was so good that they you 1:47:00.160 --> 1:47:01.920 could maybe make that case. I don't think you can 1:47:02.000 --> 1:47:04.240 make that case with cam warden Shador. Like if you're 1:47:04.240 --> 1:47:05.479 a drafted I think you can make it for Kim 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:07.400 Warrdon if you're drafting one of those two guys and 1:47:07.479 --> 1:47:09.519 you really have to believe in that guy, right and 1:47:09.600 --> 1:47:11.080 like putting him on the bench for a year. 1:47:11.160 --> 1:47:12.840 I just well, I think some of it is too. 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.560 Like Kirk Cousins got that massive contract, right, he was 1:47:15.640 --> 1:47:18.479 signed to be a definitive starter. Is Russell Wilson gonna 1:47:18.479 --> 1:47:20.240 get that kind of money? Is Russell Wilson gonna have 1:47:20.280 --> 1:47:21.360 that kind of job security? 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:23.840 I don't know. No, he's not. He's not. 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:27.080 He's not gonna be a It's not like you're coming 1:47:27.200 --> 1:47:31.360 down from where from where Cousins was to. If we're 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:33.559 gonna comport to the Falcons, hang, I cut more receivers 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:36.360 from Okay, So this is again, if Teed McMillan is 1:47:36.360 --> 1:47:37.960 a bust, what is his comp because we don't think 1:47:38.000 --> 1:47:42.439 it's to kill harryt Okay, Will Fuller, no, Kevin White, No, 1:47:42.600 --> 1:47:44.080 all right, I'm gonna give you one more. This is 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:46.840 super weird because people like this guy, but he's maybe 1:47:47.000 --> 1:47:49.600 the most overrated wide receiver of his arrow because he 1:47:49.640 --> 1:47:53.720 had one good year, two good years Michael Thomas. But like, 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:57.799 is Teed McMillan like post twenty nineteen Michael Thomas closer? 1:47:58.200 --> 1:47:58.320 Right? 1:47:58.439 --> 1:48:01.240 Because Michael Thomas was really good at running slant routes 1:48:01.720 --> 1:48:04.160 and then that was kind of it, and teams basically 1:48:04.200 --> 1:48:05.920 figured out how to counter it, and they got hurt. 1:48:06.360 --> 1:48:09.920 So because Tep McMillan is big, but he's also kind 1:48:09.960 --> 1:48:11.680 of that guy where he's gonna be exposed a lot 1:48:11.960 --> 1:48:13.439 to big hits because of his size. 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:17.439 Closer, Okay, that's probably your closest one yet, honestly, you. 1:48:17.479 --> 1:48:20.360 Could make you can make an argument in Ted McMillan's 1:48:20.960 --> 1:48:24.519 ceiling middle Floor are a Michael Thomas. So I just 1:48:24.640 --> 1:48:26.040 different stages of Michael Thomas. 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:28.479 I actually thought when I was doing comps for all 1:48:28.520 --> 1:48:31.759 the receivers, I actually thought of Michael Thomas with Jaden Higgins, 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:34.280 you know, like a guy that I think is gonna 1:48:34.479 --> 1:48:36.240 really win at the first and second level and not 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:38.720 running by anybody and kind of be a slam boy 1:48:38.800 --> 1:48:40.519 and like all that kind of stuff. I kind of 1:48:40.560 --> 1:48:42.280 thought of that with Jayden Niggins, And I guess Jaden 1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:44.840 Higgins is kind of day to teed McMillon. So maybe 1:48:45.080 --> 1:48:48.040 like washed Michael Thomas is, like how he he is 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:50.840 a complete bust? All Right, That was a long way 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:51.679 to get to that point. 1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:53.000 Saint should have kept Brandon Cooks. 1:48:53.600 --> 1:48:59.360 Uh, Mike is in Virginia. What's up, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike? 1:49:00.000 --> 1:49:01.920 All Right, Mike, Sorry about that. If you if you're 1:49:01.920 --> 1:49:04.799 still there a callback in Eldred, what's going on Eldred? 1:49:06.640 --> 1:49:11.680 Hey, Evan, Alex, how y'all doing? Uhh? I think t 1:49:11.840 --> 1:49:14.680 mac gonna surprise all of y'all. But if you come 1:49:14.760 --> 1:49:17.120 with a buff, I'm coming with LaQuan Treadmill. 1:49:17.280 --> 1:49:19.880 Fred will uh used to be the Vices, then he. 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:22.000 Went to the I think he went to the Steelers. 1:49:22.280 --> 1:49:26.400 Yeah six four. He's just like he was a raw 1:49:26.680 --> 1:49:26.840 you know. 1:49:27.000 --> 1:49:29.480 Yeah he also wasn't the mover that mcmillany. 1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:32.960 But yeah, big body receiver. You're on the right track. 1:49:34.240 --> 1:49:37.439 Yeah. My question is this, Uh, I got two questions 1:49:37.520 --> 1:49:41.160 for you. Why ain't about talking about James Pearce as 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:46.640 a edge rusher because to me, doing that combine to 1:49:46.720 --> 1:49:50.080 remind me of Gunzo Smooth everything you know, had a 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:52.519 good a good combine and all that. And then the 1:49:52.600 --> 1:49:58.400 other one is uh Dante Thornton Jr. And Uh, I 1:49:58.479 --> 1:50:01.519 know you talked about him earlier, but but experience, he 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:04.400 is sad to speed. He could he could play against 1:50:04.439 --> 1:50:07.799 man Press. Don's stay still over the top. This weakness 1:50:07.840 --> 1:50:10.080 just kind of slows him down with debt. Other than that, 1:50:10.640 --> 1:50:13.040 he's good to get hand fighting, and he's good against 1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:15.800 man coverage, and he is a six to four, four 1:50:15.800 --> 1:50:18.360 to three receiver and they ain't got him lifted into 1:50:18.400 --> 1:50:20.040 what round five? Round six? 1:50:21.120 --> 1:50:25.400 Yeah? Yeah, thanks take it off there, Thanks elder buddy, 1:50:25.920 --> 1:50:28.040 have a good one. Thanks for the cause always. Uh. 1:50:28.360 --> 1:50:31.120 James Pearce is an interesting prospect. He was one of 1:50:31.200 --> 1:50:32.880 the he was like a top five pick at one 1:50:32.920 --> 1:50:35.320 point in this draft, right, like he was projected to 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:38.680 go super super high. James Pearce. Yeah, and then he 1:50:38.760 --> 1:50:41.280 had kind of a rough year, not a rough year, 1:50:41.280 --> 1:50:43.080 but just not the year that people were expecting at 1:50:43.120 --> 1:50:46.080 Tennessee this past year. And Uh, to me, when I 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:49.559 see James Pearce, I think he's a very linear rusher, 1:50:49.920 --> 1:50:52.559 Like he doesn't have a lot of agility or change 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:56.559 of direction to really challenge inside and outside. He's kind 1:50:56.560 --> 1:50:58.599 of just like a speed to power, I'm gonna run 1:50:58.640 --> 1:51:00.640 into the tackle and I hope I I kind of 1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:03.400 make it work type of guy. I think he's raw, 1:51:04.080 --> 1:51:08.519 and I don't think he's got a great like mobility, right, 1:51:08.680 --> 1:51:12.040 you know, like ankle bend and hit fluidity and those 1:51:12.080 --> 1:51:14.559 types of things that usually lend himself to a really 1:51:14.720 --> 1:51:17.920 high sap production at the next level, Like, could he 1:51:18.040 --> 1:51:22.280 be a pocket pusher, disruptor, you know, drop him into coverage. Hey, 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:24.880 look it's you uh to drop him into coverage like 1:51:24.960 --> 1:51:26.880 that sort of thing. Yeah, Like I think that he 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:29.479 could be that guy, but I didn't see a lot 1:51:29.560 --> 1:51:32.200 of bend in a lot of twitch to his movements, 1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:34.320 which would worry me a little bit with him. But 1:51:34.680 --> 1:51:37.679 like if he has like a draft day weekend fall 1:51:37.800 --> 1:51:40.360 and he somehow finds his way to the second round, 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:44.439 which I think is crazy, but maybe, Like I'm not 1:51:44.520 --> 1:51:47.080 saying like completely rulling him out as a Day two 1:51:47.160 --> 1:51:49.560 guy for the Patriots, but I don't think he's in 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:52.200 the conversation to be a top ten pick anymore. 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:55.160 Yeah, he doesn't have He's a guy that has one 1:51:55.800 --> 1:51:58.080 elite tool, but he doesn't have a lot of tools. Yeah, 1:51:58.200 --> 1:52:00.240 Like that one tool is excellent, but he doesn't much 1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:03.599 beyond that. He's not a first round pick in most drafts. 1:52:03.640 --> 1:52:05.439 He is kind of that Josh Ucha sort of player 1:52:05.439 --> 1:52:07.120 I think you're talking about. It's part of the reason 1:52:07.200 --> 1:52:10.400 he fell was like he came into the year with 1:52:10.439 --> 1:52:13.320 a lot of expectation and he because he had such 1:52:13.360 --> 1:52:16.360 a strong twenty twenty three. He played well in twenty 1:52:16.400 --> 1:52:18.160 twenty four, he didn't necessarily get better. He didn't stro 1:52:18.240 --> 1:52:20.759 anything new. Yeah, and I think that's what has teams concerned. 1:52:21.200 --> 1:52:23.360 So if you're somebody that believes in just kind of 1:52:23.400 --> 1:52:27.320 the true speed rusher, yeah he has some value, but 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:29.799 he's not much more than that. And because he didn't develop, 1:52:30.200 --> 1:52:32.040 you know, there's a quick teams have to ask himselves, now, 1:52:32.080 --> 1:52:34.400 why didn't he develop? Is this all he's gonna end 1:52:34.479 --> 1:52:34.760 up being? 1:52:35.280 --> 1:52:40.519 Yeah, that's fair. And then the Taekwon Thornton two point 1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:42.080 zero receiver that he mentioned. 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:42.880 Who was I couldn't hear him. 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.120 I think his last name is really literally Thorton, right, 1:52:45.360 --> 1:52:50.320 Dante Thorston junior. Yeah, but I mean he's like a 1:52:50.439 --> 1:52:54.840 six foot three string being fourth fast, fast, and yeah, 1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:57.200 that's why that's why he was going. You know why 1:52:57.240 --> 1:52:59.639 he's not projected higher on boards right now is because 1:52:59.640 --> 1:53:04.040 he's literally, hey, he's a track meat player. You know, 1:53:04.439 --> 1:53:06.760 that's the type of guy that he is. You know, 1:53:06.760 --> 1:53:11.360 it's a great athlete, a great combine. I would get 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:15.080 too caught up in forty times with players like that. 1:53:15.439 --> 1:53:18.680 So and I'm so glad I thought of that that's 1:53:18.720 --> 1:53:20.360 going to come in handy for years to come. 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:22.320 Out here, and yeah, that's always my problem. 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:24.040 All right, Well, you're gonna have to learn to You're 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:25.400 gonna have to be ready to answer the question when 1:53:25.400 --> 1:53:26.599 you want to hype up one of these guys. 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:31.439 So the president of Mason Graham's fan club, who is 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:33.320 Floyd and Redford Michigan, that might. 1:53:33.320 --> 1:53:36.200 Be the for all the free agency stuff, the only 1:53:36.280 --> 1:53:38.360 guy that truly came off the board. 1:53:38.800 --> 1:53:43.320 So so Floyd says that we can't rule out Mason 1:53:43.360 --> 1:53:45.800 Graham because I'm telling you he's Mason Graham's fan. 1:53:46.280 --> 1:53:48.679 That's something I would expect Mason Graha's biggest fancy say. 1:53:48.600 --> 1:53:52.080 He's not ruling out Mason Graham because of Christian Barmore's status, 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:55.920 you know, in terms of his health. There's definitely a 1:53:56.000 --> 1:53:59.360 fair point there that they can't necessarily count on having 1:53:59.400 --> 1:54:03.320 an available Christian Barmore. But I already had concerns about 1:54:03.360 --> 1:54:06.840 Mason Graham holding up at two ninety ninety five as 1:54:06.920 --> 1:54:09.519 it is, and now you want to pair him with 1:54:09.560 --> 1:54:12.120 another guy who weighs two hundred and ninety pounds. I 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:14.719 just think that that's very, very light in the middle. 1:54:14.760 --> 1:54:15.320 Of your defense. 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:18.639 It's also are you willing to make your big free 1:54:18.640 --> 1:54:21.400 agency signing and your top draft pick at the same position, 1:54:21.479 --> 1:54:24.920 which is not a premium position. That's a tough sell. 1:54:25.280 --> 1:54:26.679 That's a really tough sell. 1:54:26.920 --> 1:54:32.200 Yep, that's another great point. You know, it's basically redundant 1:54:32.280 --> 1:54:36.680 skill set, same position. Yeah, same type of player, like 1:54:36.760 --> 1:54:43.440 the ways that Milton Williams wins disruptive hands leverage, using 1:54:43.520 --> 1:54:46.879 his like lower center of gravity to get underneath blockers, 1:54:47.720 --> 1:54:51.680 first step of quickness into gaps, instincts, motor I just 1:54:51.760 --> 1:54:54.240 describe Mason Graham. Yeah, so you have now you're gonna 1:54:54.280 --> 1:54:55.800 just have two Mason Grams. 1:54:55.840 --> 1:54:58.320 With Milton Williams, or roughly to Milton Williams. 1:54:58.080 --> 1:55:00.680 Which like there's worse things to have have, but it's 1:55:00.800 --> 1:55:04.080 it's kind of a luxury, not an absolutely necessity. Uh 1:55:04.200 --> 1:55:06.800 So that's uh, that's amazing, Graham. It doesn't make me 1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:08.720 feel like a little bit better than maybe that's off 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:10.240 the board, because you know, I wasn't in love with 1:55:10.320 --> 1:55:10.520 it to. 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:12.480 Be I always feel I feel bad, like the last 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:14.240 two years, like the guy I've kind of come out 1:55:14.360 --> 1:55:15.840 is like the no no, no player has been a 1:55:15.880 --> 1:55:18.080 Michigan guy, and people probably think I just hate Michigan, 1:55:18.160 --> 1:55:20.400 like I need Michigan to come through with with the 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:22.760 guy that I can like really get behind to offset that, 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:24.440 because it's nothing against Michigan. 1:55:25.360 --> 1:55:29.000 All right, let's take these calls. Uh, Mark is in Connecticut. 1:55:29.040 --> 1:55:29.560 What's up? Mark? 1:55:30.920 --> 1:55:33.480 Hey, guys, always appreciate you guys taking my calls. I 1:55:33.600 --> 1:55:35.320 just had a quick one. If we strike out on 1:55:35.840 --> 1:55:40.280 Cooper Cup Uh to Gooby Myers, what is the prediction 1:55:40.480 --> 1:55:43.400 there of what he would uh what it would take 1:55:43.480 --> 1:55:46.000 to get him in a trade, like you know, round wide? 1:55:46.280 --> 1:55:47.440 What do you guys think on that? 1:55:48.120 --> 1:55:50.520 Yeah, Mark, thanks for the call. That's a tough one, 1:55:50.560 --> 1:55:53.680 I would say to to project because I don't think 1:55:53.720 --> 1:55:56.400 he's really available. So yeah, you have to make the 1:55:56.480 --> 1:55:59.080 offer to the Raiders that's enticing enough for them to 1:55:59.160 --> 1:56:02.200 actually move him back to the Patriots so. 1:56:02.560 --> 1:56:04.240 They don't need a quarterback anymore. 1:56:04.040 --> 1:56:05.840 Right, So I think that you would have to give 1:56:05.920 --> 1:56:10.360 them a third or fourth round pick, which seems really high. Uh, 1:56:10.880 --> 1:56:13.720 just giving the not necessarily like a knock on Jacoby Myers, 1:56:13.800 --> 1:56:15.920 but just given the way that wide receiver market has 1:56:16.040 --> 1:56:20.360 moved in trades, like a DK Metcalf only got like 1:56:20.440 --> 1:56:23.240 a mid second round pick back, So, like, I just 1:56:24.040 --> 1:56:26.040 in order to make it enticing enough for the Raiders 1:56:26.080 --> 1:56:27.760 to actually trade him, it's gonna have to be something 1:56:27.880 --> 1:56:30.200 worth it. Yeah, and so now I think you're kind 1:56:30.240 --> 1:56:31.200 of overpaying for him. 1:56:31.280 --> 1:56:33.280 Like the moving down from four to six and getting 1:56:33.320 --> 1:56:35.480 like Jacobe in a third round pick like that made 1:56:35.560 --> 1:56:37.520 sense to me, but there's no incentive for the Raiders 1:56:37.560 --> 1:56:38.400 to do that anymore. 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:41.880 Yeah, So yeah, I'm with you. 1:56:42.040 --> 1:56:44.000 It's it's a tough one. I get why people want 1:56:44.000 --> 1:56:45.680 to back he's a good player, yeah, but I just 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:46.600 I don't know that that's it. 1:56:46.680 --> 1:56:48.320 If it comes out that he's on the block and 1:56:48.400 --> 1:56:52.320 he can be had, you know, that's different. But if 1:56:52.360 --> 1:56:55.400 you have to actually like aggressively pursue him. 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:57.240 Yeah, it's probably not gonna be worth it. Yeah. 1:56:57.320 --> 1:56:59.680 All right, Marvin is in Florida. What's up, Marvin? 1:57:01.600 --> 1:57:06.720 Hey fellows, how you guys doing good? I think is 1:57:07.920 --> 1:57:10.800 why don't we trade Dugger for like maybe a third 1:57:10.880 --> 1:57:16.120 round pick and it will Campbell like pick nine and 1:57:16.240 --> 1:57:19.960 then trade up to get Golden or another top ar 1:57:20.160 --> 1:57:21.320 receiver in the draft. 1:57:22.360 --> 1:57:25.480 Yeah, thanks for the call, Marvin. I don't know what 1:57:25.640 --> 1:57:28.760 Kyle Duggar's value is really right now. I don't think 1:57:28.760 --> 1:57:29.760 it's a third round pick at all. 1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:31.080 That would all be not I also don't think you're 1:57:31.080 --> 1:57:32.960 gonna will Camble at nine, even as a guard. I 1:57:32.960 --> 1:57:34.040 don't think you're gonna get at nine. 1:57:34.040 --> 1:57:36.360 I think your great thought. Yeah, I think you're you're 1:57:36.440 --> 1:57:40.440 better off almost if you don't have Dugger in your 1:57:40.480 --> 1:57:43.440 long term plans. I think you're better off him starting 1:57:43.520 --> 1:57:45.600 the season here and hoping that he starts well, yeah, 1:57:45.680 --> 1:57:47.720 and then maybe trading him at the deadline for something. 1:57:47.840 --> 1:57:49.800 But you have to remember, they just paid him, so 1:57:49.920 --> 1:57:52.760 they just gave him a big contract, so now you 1:57:52.840 --> 1:57:55.280 know the team is acquiring the contract as well as 1:57:55.320 --> 1:57:58.600 the player in a trade, and as we've seen across 1:57:58.640 --> 1:58:00.640 the board, when that's the case, you just don't get 1:58:00.680 --> 1:58:02.840 the value in the trade that you may think you would. 1:58:03.400 --> 1:58:06.320 I think Kyle Dugger is unfortunately like kind of like 1:58:06.480 --> 1:58:09.000 not worth anything like of substantial value. 1:58:09.120 --> 1:58:10.880 He's here, he's here for now, and that's just what 1:58:11.000 --> 1:58:12.360 and that's why they need to get a free safety 1:58:12.360 --> 1:58:14.360 so they can play him in the box and let 1:58:14.440 --> 1:58:15.280 him do what he does best. 1:58:15.520 --> 1:58:18.520 Yeah, all right, last one here, then we'll wrap it up. 1:58:18.800 --> 1:58:22.640 This is from a concerned fan from Chelsea and he says, 1:58:22.760 --> 1:58:25.600 I'm going insane because for all the discussion around not 1:58:25.760 --> 1:58:28.520 picking a non left tackle at four, no one is 1:58:28.600 --> 1:58:32.680 answering the following question. The answering the follow up question 1:58:32.840 --> 1:58:35.160 of who is going to play left tackle. Before a 1:58:35.240 --> 1:58:38.080 free agency there was the Ronnie Stanley and Cam Robinson 1:58:38.160 --> 1:58:40.400 comp out, but now that's gone and there are no 1:58:40.600 --> 1:58:43.800 severable left tackles left. Well, Cam Robinson's not gone. Uh 1:58:44.080 --> 1:58:46.280 in my mind, you have to gamble at Campbell at 1:58:46.320 --> 1:58:48.320 four if he's a bust and ends up as an 1:58:48.320 --> 1:58:51.880 elite guard. Oh well, so well, Cam Robinson's not gone. 1:58:52.000 --> 1:58:55.600 First of all. Yeah, I think what you have to weigh, 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:57.360 And we talked about this earlier because I think this 1:58:57.400 --> 1:59:00.280 is a fair point. It's a that is a the 1:59:00.680 --> 1:59:02.560 question right now, and that's why I wanted to end 1:59:02.600 --> 1:59:05.080 it on it, because that this is the philosophical question 1:59:05.200 --> 1:59:07.400 that we're going to be having. Yeah, is are you 1:59:08.880 --> 1:59:12.360 desperate to the point at left tackle where you're gonna 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:14.200 take Will Campbell And if he's a bust and you 1:59:14.280 --> 1:59:16.560 have to move him inside to left guard, then so 1:59:16.760 --> 1:59:18.920 be it. And you're willing to take that risk at 1:59:18.960 --> 1:59:24.000 four overall, I personally would just say that I still 1:59:24.040 --> 1:59:28.040 don't think it's a terrible option to sign Cam Robinson 1:59:28.120 --> 1:59:31.680 to a short term contract and Josh and draft one 1:59:31.720 --> 1:59:33.600 of those second wave guys like a Josh Simmons. 1:59:33.640 --> 1:59:36.240 Let's say, let's say you can't k Robson. Let's say 1:59:36.320 --> 1:59:38.960 Robinson's often because that's obvious. Yeah, if you sign Cam Robinson, 1:59:39.040 --> 1:59:41.560 you draft somebody later. That's easy, right, And I think 1:59:41.600 --> 1:59:43.600 that's kind of what we'd hope they do from the beginning. Yeah, 1:59:43.720 --> 1:59:47.520 let's say Cam Robinson signs elsewhere, because that that that's 1:59:47.560 --> 1:59:49.880 really putting the pressure on because now, okay, you're not 1:59:50.080 --> 1:59:52.880 like Vaderian Low's in the competition and maybe he doesn't 1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:54.800 end up being the guy, but you're talking about Vaderian 1:59:54.840 --> 1:59:55.839 low and equivalent players. 1:59:56.080 --> 2:00:00.200 Yeah, you're talking about Vaderian Lowe and Josh Connor in 2:00:00.240 --> 2:00:04.600 a competition, or Darien at Ursery in a competition, or. 2:00:04.680 --> 2:00:08.680 Like, now I guess you have to talk about I 2:00:08.760 --> 2:00:11.400 keep want to say Tristan Worst, Jedrick Wills, Jedrick Wills 2:00:11.440 --> 2:00:13.520 or Tristan Worse's be great. Yeah, Jedrick Wills are one 2:00:13.560 --> 2:00:16.200 of those other tackles is still available. Like at that point, 2:00:17.360 --> 2:00:19.760 are you thinking about Will Campbell? 2:00:21.040 --> 2:00:21.160 Uh? 2:00:22.760 --> 2:00:23.680 Because I think you will. 2:00:24.120 --> 2:00:26.240 I think you are thinking about it in general. But 2:00:27.040 --> 2:00:29.200 you have to be convinced, in my mind, if you're 2:00:29.280 --> 2:00:31.360 drafting Will Campbell at four that he's he's going to 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:33.880 play high level tackle, I think you have to be 2:00:33.880 --> 2:00:35.520 one hundred percent convinced that he's gonna play. 2:00:35.520 --> 2:00:40.440 Okay, so but forget what what you think? Right if 2:00:42.320 --> 2:00:45.040 Cam Robinson, if Cam Robinson is not available, If Cam 2:00:45.120 --> 2:00:48.320 Robinson is not available, yeah, what are you doing at 2:00:48.400 --> 2:00:50.040 left tackle next year? That is the question. 2:00:51.160 --> 2:00:53.680 If I had to pick yes right now, I would 2:00:53.760 --> 2:00:56.440 try to position myself to draft one of those second 2:00:56.480 --> 2:00:59.680 wave tackles and put him in a competition with Vedarien Though. Okay, 2:01:00.160 --> 2:01:03.720 I or signed Cam Robinson and put him in Cam Robins. Well, 2:01:03.760 --> 2:01:06.360 this is Cam Robinson's off the board, right, Oh he's 2:01:06.360 --> 2:01:07.880 off the board. Cam Robinson's off the board. 2:01:07.880 --> 2:01:08.720 What are you doing it? Left out? 2:01:08.720 --> 2:01:11.720 I would draft Josh Connery or Arianti Ursery and put 2:01:11.800 --> 2:01:13.080 him in a competition with how high? 2:01:13.080 --> 2:01:14.120 How high would you draft him? 2:01:14.400 --> 2:01:14.800 Twenties? 2:01:15.240 --> 2:01:18.440 Okay, so you're moving up from Yeah, well I'm saying 2:01:18.520 --> 2:01:20.200 like you can't just wait at thirty eight to see 2:01:20.200 --> 2:01:21.880 which one falls and then neither fall, And now what 2:01:21.920 --> 2:01:25.480 are you doing? Right? Yeah, okay, maneuver. Let me see 2:01:25.480 --> 2:01:26.560 Will Campbell's pro day numbers. 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:29.000 Why is that going to change me? He worked out 2:01:29.000 --> 2:01:29.560 of the combine. 2:01:29.640 --> 2:01:31.640 Yeah, and the combine numbers are way off from the 2:01:31.680 --> 2:01:34.560 senior in terms of everybody else. I'm like, yeah, all right, 2:01:35.000 --> 2:01:38.240 all right, fair enough, I'm not closed in. I don't 2:01:38.240 --> 2:01:39.920 think they're going to close the door on Will Campbell 2:01:39.960 --> 2:01:42.120 being the answer that question. I really don't. No, I 2:01:42.120 --> 2:01:44.520 don't think there's whether they should or not is another conversation, 2:01:44.680 --> 2:01:46.520 like he very well may be a guard I think 2:01:46.560 --> 2:01:49.040 he is, but it doesn't matter what me and you 2:01:49.040 --> 2:01:51.000 would do because we're not up there or over there 2:01:51.040 --> 2:01:53.320 wherever the office is. Right, it's what they would do. 2:01:54.400 --> 2:01:56.600 I just I have this gut feeling that that door 2:01:56.680 --> 2:01:57.680 is not totally shut yet. 2:01:58.200 --> 2:02:00.520 All right, that's gonna do it for this weeks. Catch 2:02:00.560 --> 2:02:03.000 twenty two A lot to talk about today. That was 2:02:03.040 --> 2:02:03.640 a good show. 2:02:03.960 --> 2:02:05.160 We need to get more fun from here. 2:02:05.280 --> 2:02:07.800 We'll be back next week. I think we'll probably do 2:02:08.040 --> 2:02:11.280 an even harder reset of the draft board and all 2:02:11.320 --> 2:02:14.000 the Patriots options and at the top of the draft 2:02:14.040 --> 2:02:16.840 and throughout the draft next week, so we'll be here 2:02:16.920 --> 2:02:19.080 and we'll break that down for you as well, and 2:02:19.120 --> 2:02:21.400 there might be some more Patriots news I'm sure, as 2:02:21.440 --> 2:02:24.800 signings and all that good stuff as well. So until then, 2:02:24.840 --> 2:02:26.960 signing off for Alex Bartham, Evan Lazarre. We'll see you 2:02:27.000 --> 2:02:27.360 next week. 2:02:27.480 --> 2:02:31.400 Bye. 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