Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar Lazar, everybody nailed it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my Tes Johnson love.
Speaker 2: He tested exactly the same as Tantut.
Speaker 1: But he didn't he did. He didn't. He did he
Speaker 1: did not because he didn't he did.
Speaker 2: He ran a four or five one. Tant Del ran
Speaker 2: a four four nine.
Speaker 1: That's different. Take out tank dell to hundredths of the
Speaker 1: that's what the combine is. That's absolutely tank tank tank.
Speaker 1: Deel's also are twelve pounds heavier. Tes Johnson, they showed
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: He was on my downs list. You don't have to
Speaker 2: ran this on my.
Speaker 1: Don list player in the history of the combine.
Speaker 2: It was not good. Oh it was not good, but
Speaker 2: you know it was good. It was a good couple
Speaker 2: days for the Patriots. It was a I have a
Speaker 2: little pep in my step today and I thought it
Speaker 2: was a really solid start. I'm not going to come
Speaker 2: in here and blow too much smoke and say that
Speaker 2: it was like this unbelievable A plus first day of
Speaker 2: free agency, but I would call it a really solid start.
Speaker 2: I'm pleased with what the Patriots have done so far
Speaker 2: and I'm excited about it. So we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: it here today, Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty
Speaker 2: two for the next couple of hours, and I want
Speaker 2: to go player by player and give our takes on
Speaker 2: each individual player. But I obviously want to start big
Speaker 2: picture first and talk about our overall thoughts of really
Speaker 2: what's been one day, because they haven't really done much.
Speaker 2: I think there's some things that are balls up in
Speaker 2: the air that maybe they're waiting to see where they
Speaker 2: fall to start a second wave here, Cooper Cup, we'll
Speaker 2: get to that and we'll camp. Yeah, we'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a little bit.
Speaker 1: The show would be great. If they're listening up stairs,
Speaker 1: you want to give us some reacting during the show,
Speaker 1: appreciate that.
Speaker 2: The next two hours. We'll yeah, sooner the better, and
Speaker 2: we'll keep morel here a little bit longer if it
Speaker 2: happens in LA or we'll keep it going anyways. I
Speaker 2: think my big picture thought on the free agency so far,
Speaker 2: and I feel like everybody that's commenting on this so
Speaker 2: far is putting in the caveat of they still need
Speaker 2: the wide receiver, and they still need the left tackle,
Speaker 2: and I think we're all aware of that. But I
Speaker 2: look at what they've done on defense and think two things. One,
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that they didn't ignore how just bad
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to find the right word, wasn't good
Speaker 2: on defense last year. And anybody that thought it was
Speaker 2: just an offensive minded free agency or off season that
Speaker 2: all they needed to do was out on offense, I
Speaker 2: don't think that that was really looking at it objectively
Speaker 2: of just how that defense fell apart, especially upfront and
Speaker 2: in the middle, right just right down the spine of
Speaker 2: the defense. When you talk about into your defensive line play,
Speaker 2: linebacker play, safety play, it just wasn't good enough on
Speaker 2: any level last year. At times we came in here
Speaker 2: every single week and did three up, three down. And
Speaker 2: how many times did I just lament about the linebacker
Speaker 2: play last year, And just how those linebackers once Bentley
Speaker 2: went out, just didn't make any plays at the second
Speaker 2: level of the defense, didn't get golf blocks, didn't make tackles,
Speaker 2: just didn't make any plays. So you add a game
Speaker 2: wrecking three technique with Milton Williams. You had an edge
Speaker 2: defender that's stout and plays their style football, can get
Speaker 2: up the field a little bit. And Harold Landry and
Speaker 2: my guy Robert Splaine is one of my favorite signings
Speaker 2: of this whole class because that is a tackling machine.
Speaker 2: Like this guy is always around the ball, He's always
Speaker 2: going to make tackles. He's always going to do that.
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis out on the perimeter kind of shores up
Speaker 2: that cornerback room, you know, puts everybody where they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be at the cornerback spot. So my big picture
Speaker 2: takeaway is that I'm someone and I'm going to give
Speaker 2: credit to all three. The Big three is what I
Speaker 2: like to call them. Vrabel, Cowed, and Wolf looked at
Speaker 2: that defensive side of the ball and in my mind,
Speaker 2: understood the flaws and understood where they needed to address
Speaker 2: the roster on that side of the football. So they
Speaker 2: made calculated moves. They made moves for guys that fit.
Speaker 2: They make moves for guys that play a certain way.
Speaker 2: And that is encouraging because I feel like someone is
Speaker 2: looking at this like a like a football guy and
Speaker 2: recognizing that these are these were our holes on defense.
Speaker 2: This is how we fix it. Let's go out and
Speaker 2: execute a plan to do so on the first day
Speaker 2: of free agency. So long way to go on the
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball. But that's encouraging that we
Speaker 2: are not to throwing money at big names or you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna sign the top three defense of free agents
Speaker 2: because that's what we need. No, they they made some
Speaker 2: really nice, calculated moves to upgrade this defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that. I they didn't address the
Speaker 1: big the two biggest needs, but I think they've done
Speaker 1: a good job of checking off so far. The majority
Speaker 1: of the other boxes they you know, left tackling wide
Speaker 1: receivers still the big ones. The other one i'd put
Speaker 1: out there is guard and then safety. But you know,
Speaker 1: people are gonna compare it to twenty twenty one. Twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Maybe there was more overall talent, but that
Speaker 1: was more of just a blunt approach. If we're just
Speaker 1: gonna go out and sign player after player after player,
Speaker 1: and you know how much consideration was there A fit
Speaker 1: Some guys worked, some guys didn't. To your point, I
Speaker 1: think every guy they signed, it's it's a very targeted
Speaker 1: like you can project the role instantly for every single
Speaker 1: one of these guys. We kind of wondered, you know,
Speaker 1: where's John new Smith gonna fit. How's he gonna play.
Speaker 1: Jalen Mills, you're gonna play corners, You're gonna play safety.
Speaker 1: And you know you can have a couple of guys
Speaker 1: that you maybe want experiment with. That's fine, But early
Speaker 1: on they needed a guy. You know, best case scenario,
Speaker 1: wrecking tandem in the middle, worst case scenario, if they
Speaker 1: don't have bar More, they have that guy who can
Speaker 1: penetrate from the inside, which they need to play the
Speaker 1: style of defense. They got a guy who plays their
Speaker 1: style on the edge. They got a bigger, physical man
Speaker 1: corner on the outside. I know we talked about zone
Speaker 1: last week. I think we maybe need to rehab that
Speaker 1: rehab that conversation. They needed a guy who plays sideline
Speaker 1: aside on the linebacker position. Got that, got one of
Speaker 1: the tackles they needed, like it all just all five
Speaker 1: or six, just instant boom, spot them starters, even kiris Tanga,
Speaker 1: who's not the biggest name and who knows how much
Speaker 1: he'll play. But after trading Davon Gotschad, they needed a
Speaker 1: guy who's just gonna sit and you can put on
Speaker 1: the field on second and one or third and one
Speaker 1: sitting down in the middle and have them stop the
Speaker 1: run and boom, he plugs right into that role. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a very disciplined approach. Mike rabel
Speaker 1: I think it was Rabeler Wolf one of them said
Speaker 1: at the combine, We're not going to sign players just
Speaker 1: to sign players, right. They talked about getting aggressive but
Speaker 1: not being reckless. I thought they walked that line perfectly.
Speaker 1: And when they were maybe gonna lose out on Milton
Speaker 1: Williams just based on how the reporting went, they kind
Speaker 1: of went back in and you saw that aggressiveness turn up,
Speaker 1: but they didn't go all out on players that they
Speaker 1: didn't need to go all out on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed. And you mentioned Carlton Davis and maybe
Speaker 2: talking a little bit more about them still playing a
Speaker 2: lot of man'sonman coverage, which I agree with, But I
Speaker 2: also just look at Carlton Davis and how long have
Speaker 2: we been saying, you know, Jonathan Jones, Marcus Jones, Miles
Speaker 2: Bryant when he was here, good players, but just not
Speaker 2: outside corners, right like they need to be playing the slot.
Speaker 2: They don't have the size, they don't have that ability
Speaker 2: to go up against you know, those outside guys. They
Speaker 2: get a guy like Carlton Davis in here, and again
Speaker 2: it's not just the player, it's also the skill set
Speaker 2: of the player. You know he has he's six foot one,
Speaker 2: he's two hundred pounds, he has an incredible length in wingspan.
Speaker 2: I think he's ninety fifth percentile in the wingspan when
Speaker 2: he came out of the draft. So you have a
Speaker 2: body type now that projects to fit well on the outside,
Speaker 2: opposite of Christian Gonzales. So again, you know, they recognized
Speaker 2: we have slot corners playing outside, and those guys are competitive,
Speaker 2: and those guys are feisty cover corners. So they've held
Speaker 2: their own to their credit. But this obviously isn't how
Speaker 2: it should be. Like we're playing these guys out of position.
Speaker 2: And so you go out there and you sign Carlton Davis,
Speaker 2: and now Marcus Jones projects as a slot. Maybe you
Speaker 2: do bring Jonathan Jones back here still on a reasonable
Speaker 2: contract and play him at nickel or safety or something
Speaker 2: like that in the middle of the field, and everybody
Speaker 2: just back there kind of starts to fit where they're
Speaker 2: supposed to be, so that was it was encouraging that
Speaker 2: they were able to identify their holes on defense and
Speaker 2: go out and sign guys that fill those holes. You know,
Speaker 2: Harold Landry left defensive end, Milton Williams three technique, Carlon
Speaker 2: Davis number two corner, Splaine. I think they're going to
Speaker 2: try to play Splain and Bentley next to each other
Speaker 2: on early downs. I don't know for a fact if
Speaker 2: that's going to be the case, but if I had
Speaker 2: to guess, I would say that the plan would be
Speaker 2: to play both those guys on the field together. Not
Speaker 2: Splain replacing Bentley, but Bentley and Splain as a duo.
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that all works out. You mentioned
Speaker 2: you know Morgan Moses, and I think it's similar. Morgan
Speaker 2: Moses is going to be your right tackle next year.
Speaker 2: You have that spot filled at least for the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five season, and you know, there's a long way
Speaker 2: to go on that offensive line. It's probably the biggest
Speaker 2: concern I have right now. Still. I think they're down
Speaker 2: let's call it, two starters at least, and then there's
Speaker 2: obviously a decent amount of you know, stuff out there
Speaker 2: about what's going to happen at center and what's not
Speaker 2: going to happen at center, So we'll see what transpires there.
Speaker 2: But your at least two thoughts still to fill at
Speaker 2: left guard and left tackle, so we can get to
Speaker 2: that here in a minute as well. And we'll take
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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com if you'd like to do that
Speaker 2: as well. But I want to go through all these
Speaker 2: free agents that they the additions by just go one
Speaker 2: by one as we tend to do on this show
Speaker 2: and get really into it. So let's go in order
Speaker 2: of just sort of you know when they were signed
Speaker 2: if you will a little bit here. So obviously the
Speaker 2: first one is is Harold Landry on Sunday night, as
Speaker 2: we're all on our couches probably not thinking that anything
Speaker 2: is going to happen until the morning, they sign Harold
Speaker 2: Landry to a three year deal. And you know, this
Speaker 2: one's obvious. Big connections with Rabel goes back away as
Speaker 2: a draft. Rabel draft pick is very first draft in Tennessee,
Speaker 2: second round, second round pick for the Titans.
Speaker 1: After Shan Evans was their first round pick.
Speaker 2: That ye right, it sounds right. He doesn't Harold landers
Speaker 2: you know, his his pass rush win rate. I know
Speaker 2: that's a number that's going around a lot from PFS.
Speaker 2: PFF is pretty harsh on it. Sounds like ESPN's is
Speaker 2: a little bit nicer. But neither one of them are
Speaker 2: glowing about his season last year in terms of pass
Speaker 2: rush productivity. You hope that maybe that was scheme related.
Speaker 2: You know, he was in a different scheme for the
Speaker 2: first time in his career. Now that he goes back
Speaker 2: to playing with Rabel and Terrell Williams, maybe he goes
Speaker 2: back to being a productive player in the pass rush.
Speaker 2: But I think the number one thing that stands out
Speaker 2: to me with Harold Landry is the run defense is
Speaker 2: really solid, A really good run defender, but a different style,
Speaker 2: not an Anthony Jennings style. I wouldn't say he's a
Speaker 2: guy that can get up the field, that can you know,
Speaker 2: shoot gaps and really set the edge by getting a
Speaker 2: downhill at the line of scrimmage and use that burst
Speaker 2: in that bend that he has to make plays in
Speaker 2: the backfield. And I would also say in the pass rush,
Speaker 2: if you're counting on the fact that you're gonna get
Speaker 2: a lot of interior pressure up the middle. Then he's
Speaker 2: someone that I do think can kind of clean up.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if he's necessarily at this stage
Speaker 2: of his career going to be a one on one
Speaker 2: winner that's going to get sacks all on his own,
Speaker 2: But if Milton Williams is pushing the quarterback towards Harold
Speaker 2: Andry's side of the line of scrimmage, I think that
Speaker 2: he can be the guy that gets the quarterback actually
Speaker 2: on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good complimentary rusher, good secondary rusher, and they needed that.
Speaker 1: Now you may say, well, okay, who's the primary That's
Speaker 1: what we still need to wait and see, and maybe
Speaker 1: that guy comes in the draft, Maybe that guy comes
Speaker 1: next year. We all knew they weren't getting get everything
Speaker 1: in year one, but a good solid piece in the defense.
Speaker 1: I meant to say this in the opening take, like this,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about the Commanders model. That's what
Speaker 1: this is. A guy that's not a superstar, but he's
Speaker 1: going to give you kind of a floor and he
Speaker 1: will help just kind of shore up that defensive front
Speaker 1: and just raise the level by being steady and consistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, and I wanted to pull
Speaker 2: up and we can do it in a second. The
Speaker 2: Commander's free agency last season. Now, the Commanders didn't go
Speaker 2: out and make a Milton Williams signing at the top
Speaker 2: top of the market, but a lot of these guys,
Speaker 2: the Landryes, the Davis's, you know, these mid level to
Speaker 2: to you know, let's call it mid level to maybe
Speaker 2: you know, three quarters level if you want free agents
Speaker 2: where a lot of what the Commanders did, you know,
Speaker 2: they signed a lot of those types of guys.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think that does it.
Speaker 1: With Landry.
Speaker 2: I think we you know, kind of got that covered.
Speaker 2: Milton Williams is obviously the big piece, you know, just
Speaker 2: get right to him. I think that with this defense
Speaker 2: and with this scheme and what they're gonna try to
Speaker 2: do with Rabel and be more aggressive. You know, he's
Speaker 2: to use that word multiple times to describe how they
Speaker 2: want to play defense, especially on the defensive line. Aggressive play.
Speaker 2: On the other side of the line of scrimmage, the
Speaker 2: three technique or the player that lines up over the
Speaker 2: outside shade of the guard right is Jeffrey Simmons in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: It's a massive, massive role to fit this whole puzzle together.
Speaker 2: A game wrecker that can defeat blocks in the run
Speaker 2: game and make splash plays in the run game and
Speaker 2: get after the passer. If you're going to run this
Speaker 2: kind of system, you need the interior penetration. You need
Speaker 2: those guys that can do that. So I can totally
Speaker 2: understand and I express some of my doubts or you know,
Speaker 2: just concerns about Milton Williams before free agency, because you know,
Speaker 2: when you play on that defensive line in Philadelphia next
Speaker 2: to Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Josh Sweed, Jordan Davis, you
Speaker 2: do worry about if it's going to continue when those
Speaker 2: guys aren't around you, right, and you don't have Jalen Carter,
Speaker 2: especially on the interior and he only played fifty percent
Speaker 2: of the snaps last year in Philly. When you pay
Speaker 2: a guy this kind of money, he's going to play
Speaker 2: a lot more here than that. But with that being said,
Speaker 2: the role in the defense that he's going to play
Speaker 2: is extremely important in this system, and he can play it.
Speaker 2: He definitely has a tape that he can play it
Speaker 2: at a high level. And they clearly made this a
Speaker 2: non negotiable, like we have to walk out of free
Speaker 2: agency with Milton Williams. And I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that goes back to the type of defense they want
Speaker 2: to play.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think ideally you have two of those guys,
Speaker 1: yeah right, in him and Christian Barmore, and that's going
Speaker 1: to be among the best defensive tackle duos in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Yeah, we'll see where they're at with Barmore.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like nothing definitive has been made
Speaker 1: of that yet and doesn't need They don't need to
Speaker 1: make a definitive decision right now, right, So it's not surprising.
Speaker 1: But if you get those two guys going in the
Speaker 1: middle and with Landry coming off the edge, and you know,
Speaker 1: you maybe throw a Day two draft pick in there,
Speaker 1: completely reworked front, night and day from where they were
Speaker 1: at last year.
Speaker 2: It's extremely athletic too. Just I know some of those
Speaker 2: guys are a little bit older, like Landry, so maybe
Speaker 2: this doesn't quite apply. But if you go back to
Speaker 2: look at all these guys in the combine, they're all
Speaker 2: elite athletic testers. Out of the combine, Landry, Milton Williams,
Speaker 2: we should mention Keon White you know, another guy, high
Speaker 2: end athlete, bar More, high end athlete. So all this
Speaker 2: sud in a front that was typically space eating, you know,
Speaker 2: run stuffers like Devon Godshaw's of the world. Now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, he's got a bunch of athletes that
Speaker 2: get up the field. So you can see the vision
Speaker 2: of what they're trying to build in that respect as well.
Speaker 2: Look at Milton Williams. I see a lot of the
Speaker 2: same style of pass rush moves when we talked so
Speaker 2: much about Mason Graham and the draft. Very violent with
Speaker 2: his hands, likes to use his swipe, likes to use
Speaker 2: an arm over. To compliment that he can bull rush.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's his number one go to, but
Speaker 2: he can do it if you want him to try
Speaker 2: to push the pocket up the middle. And then at
Speaker 2: two ninety is his quickness in the run game is
Speaker 2: really stands out. You know, he's got that ability to
Speaker 2: just cross over and you know, get on the edges
Speaker 2: quickly and get into gaps quickly, and guys on the
Speaker 2: offensive line just don't get over there quick enough to
Speaker 2: like overtake those blocks. So that's all over his tape.
Speaker 2: Fantastic playoff run for Philadelphia yea last year as well.
Speaker 2: So this is a guy that performed well in the
Speaker 2: biggest moments for the Eagles last year. So a lot
Speaker 2: of pros about the player. I just you know, I'll
Speaker 2: keep on saying it. I just I hope that it's
Speaker 2: not a product the Jalen Carter.
Speaker 1: We'll see it's a lot. That's that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: big question. You know, he's gonna he only played what
Speaker 1: about fifty percent of snaps in Philly, right, so he's
Speaker 1: gonna be playing a bigger role here. How does he
Speaker 1: adjust to that? And that's why. Look, Christian Barmore is
Speaker 1: not Jalen Carter, but again, you get the two of
Speaker 1: them together, and that's going to be something I think
Speaker 1: that could be really special.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do wonder too if if Kean White
Speaker 2: is in more of a rotational role and he's kind
Speaker 2: of like a third down interior pass rusher type of guy,
Speaker 2: and maybe he even goes into in terms of snap
Speaker 2: count and stuff like that, and even where he's rushing,
Speaker 2: like into what Millan Williams was last year for Philadelphia, right, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, someone that is only playing fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: five percent of the snaps, but is really effective rushing
Speaker 2: the passers. So if it's not bar More, that's get
Speaker 2: that's eating, you know, when Milon Williams gets double teamed,
Speaker 2: or Williams eating when Barmore gets double team Like, maybe
Speaker 2: that's key on White next year. Is the guy that's
Speaker 2: getting all the one on ones with Milton Williams in
Speaker 2: the middle. Carlon Davis, I know this is your favorite signing. Yeah, bunch,
Speaker 2: You've been a big Carlon Davis.
Speaker 1: I've been telling you that he made sense. You know,
Speaker 1: they needed size on the boundary, they needed physicality on
Speaker 1: the boundary. And I'm not gonna lie when you said
Speaker 1: and I don't think you're necessarily wrong in the point
Speaker 1: you were making, But when you said that, it felt
Speaker 1: like maybe they were gonna go a little more zone
Speaker 1: heavy on defense. I was kind of disappointed. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I just think that. Look, I think if everybody could
Speaker 1: play man all the time, they would. I think man's better,
Speaker 1: but it's also a lot harder to execute, and that's
Speaker 1: why teams don't do it as much. But if you
Speaker 1: can play man heavy with your corners, I think there's
Speaker 1: a massive advantage in being able to do that. And
Speaker 1: they now have two solid, really like, that's one of
Speaker 1: the better cornerback duels in the league. Two good, really
Speaker 1: good man corners on the outside, guys that you can
Speaker 1: kind of pick and choose your matt ups. Gonzalez is
Speaker 1: a little more athletic, little more agile, a little more crafty.
Speaker 1: Davis can do that stuff, but I would categorize him
Speaker 1: as more of a bully. And the other thing is,
Speaker 1: and let's not lose sight of this. Everybody talks about
Speaker 1: all right, well they you know, Milton Williams, Harold Landry, Kiris, Tonga, Robertsplane,
Speaker 1: like they worked on the front, they worked on the rush.
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis I would put him in that category two
Speaker 1: because in theory, if you have Gonzales and Davis on
Speaker 1: the outside, you should be picking up more coverage sacks. Now, right,
Speaker 1: those two, those two guys are Davis with Gonzalez. Adding
Speaker 1: Davis to Gonzalez helps the pass rush as well. So
Speaker 1: I just think, not just a good player, it's not
Speaker 1: so much. I think Carlton Davis is an unbelievable player.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really solid player. But what he does,
Speaker 1: what his skill sets are, what he brings also a
Speaker 1: guy that has won at a high level, won a
Speaker 1: chip with the Bucks, made a run last year with
Speaker 1: the Lions. Kind of running out of those guys. Only
Speaker 1: have five guys left here who won a Super Bowl here,
Speaker 1: and we haven't had to think about this in New
Speaker 1: England for a long time, but this is what the
Speaker 1: other thirty one franchise had to do for years. You
Speaker 1: kind of want to have a guy or two in
Speaker 1: the room who's won a Super Bowl just to kind
Speaker 1: of give that experience. Obviously, they still have a few left.
Speaker 1: But Carlton Davis, the guy, he's won at a high level.
Speaker 1: He plays physically, he plays on the outside. He gives
Speaker 1: them size, he gives them physicality. The way he fits right,
Speaker 1: the way he fits what they need to me. Makes
Speaker 1: a good player, a great signing because he's gonna make
Speaker 1: It's gonna help Christian Zales, it's gonna help the pass rush.
Speaker 1: Like he just kind of elevates what they already had
Speaker 1: in place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, physical corner, pressman corner. Yeah, really good at the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. You know, he has great length and
Speaker 2: physicality to just smother releases in press man and make
Speaker 2: receivers work through contact. And all that good stuff. First
Speaker 2: and second level routes are really tough against him. He's
Speaker 2: really good at those, especially in breakers. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna run a slant, you're gonna run a dig,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to finish through some contact and make
Speaker 2: some contested catches against the guy like Carlon Davis. His
Speaker 2: one other than Durabil over the years has been up
Speaker 2: and down. He doesn't have great long speed, so he
Speaker 2: can get beat deep sometimes. But when you have Christian
Speaker 2: Gonzalez on the other side, like maybe the safety help
Speaker 2: goes to the Carlon Davis a little bit more often.
Speaker 1: And this is where I'd like to see them ad
Speaker 1: that true free safety. Yeah, on the back end, because
Speaker 1: if you can allow both Gonzalese and Davis to play
Speaker 1: more aggressive in the shorter intermediate, you're gonna turn two
Speaker 1: guys who are primarily locked down corners maybe into kind
Speaker 1: of ball hooks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I watched I watched a couple games of Davis's,
Speaker 2: but I watched him against Christian Watson with the Packers
Speaker 2: because I wanted to see him against a real speed receiver.
Speaker 2: It's a tough matchup for a guy like him. And
Speaker 2: he did really really well outside of two plays, but
Speaker 2: those two plays went for like sixty yards apiece. Because
Speaker 2: he does sometimes lose some of those foot races down
Speaker 2: the field. You know, Watson ran by him on a
Speaker 2: go ball on one and then you know a crossing
Speaker 2: route where he got caught up in some traffic. I'll
Speaker 2: give him that, but you know, just going across the field,
Speaker 2: those types of foot races can be a little bit tough,
Speaker 2: especially if he's playing off coverage and not playing up
Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage where you can get his
Speaker 2: hands on guys. The go ball was like soft press,
Speaker 2: so he wasn't really jamming, he was just kind of
Speaker 2: mirroring and and Watson ran by him. So if you
Speaker 2: manage his matchups though, and you put him against you know,
Speaker 2: the bigger bodied guys, or you put him against the
Speaker 2: guys that aren't quite as dynamic down the field, and
Speaker 2: Gonzalez he's just, you know, can run with anybody, and
Speaker 2: runs with Tyreek Hill, so he can run with anybody.
Speaker 2: You know, he covers the true speed guy, then you're
Speaker 2: in good shape. And it's not exactly the same, but
Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of Revis and Browner, where
Speaker 2: like Revis was, you know, this guy that could cover
Speaker 2: anybody he wanted, and I think Christian Gonzalez is that
Speaker 2: type of dude, and Browner was just that physical you know,
Speaker 2: jam and macnidean type of player. And as long as
Speaker 2: you kept Browner in the right matchups, he was really
Speaker 2: really effective. And I think the same thing is going
Speaker 2: to be true with Carlton Davis.
Speaker 1: So I love it.
Speaker 2: I love the size on the outside, I love the
Speaker 2: physicality he brings, the edge that he brings. This is
Speaker 2: what they've been missing for multiple years now at that
Speaker 2: second cornerback spot, Gonzo's rookie year. I'd be really going
Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty two. I would say they've been
Speaker 2: playing Miles Bryant, Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones out on the
Speaker 2: boundary at of necessity. So they have a guy now
Speaker 2: in Carlton Davis that belongs out there, that belongs playing
Speaker 2: in that spot. So that's exciting.
Speaker 1: And when they face some of these faster teams, like
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Jonathan Jones, it still mix.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a game where Carlton Davis plays a little less,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones plays a little more, they get another speedier corner
Speaker 1: on the outside, is kind of an alternate to Carlton
Speaker 1: Davis like they have they had They didn't need a
Speaker 1: lot of corners, They just needed one guy to slot
Speaker 1: everybody incorrectly. Bring Jonathan Jones back or some other speedier
Speaker 1: you know, backup slot corner, and now you're in good
Speaker 1: shape and you have a ton of options with how
Speaker 1: you want to pick your matchups.
Speaker 2: Right, they have Marcus Jones under contract, and I like,
Speaker 2: just let's call for what it is. We're really talking
Speaker 2: about Miami, right, And like when you go up against
Speaker 2: Miami and you have Tyrak Kill and Jalen Wattle, we
Speaker 2: know Gonzales can stay with Tyreek Hill, so he's probably
Speaker 2: gonna cover Hill. Does Marcus Jones cover Jalen Wattle in
Speaker 2: that matchup instead of Carlton Davis. I love the idea
Speaker 2: potentially of Carlton Davis then playing more of like a
Speaker 2: nickel role in that kind of game. Yeah, and having
Speaker 2: some size inside when they go twelve personnel, they go heavy.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing about Davis. He's really good against
Speaker 1: the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can play him against the run. He can
Speaker 2: play tight ends like potentially like receiving tight ends. Like
Speaker 2: I think that he has a size and the ability
Speaker 2: to guard those types of players too inside, So maybe
Speaker 2: in those types of matchups they move him around a
Speaker 2: little bit to get him off of those speedy receivers.
Speaker 2: I think that that could really be huge for them
Speaker 2: if that's what they're able to do and those types
Speaker 2: of things. All right, Robert Splane probably my favorite signing.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds that's weird for me to be
Speaker 2: that into an inside linebacker, but the linebacker play on
Speaker 2: this team last year just drove me bananas. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just would pull my hair out every single Monday watching
Speaker 2: the film back of their linebacker play last year. And
Speaker 2: Spalane is one of those guys that just is all
Speaker 2: over the ball all the time. I mean, he had
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six tackles last year, and I
Speaker 2: know tackles. Some people don't like the stat anymore, but
Speaker 2: you don't make one hundred and fifty tackles by accident, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if you're around the ball that much, good things are
Speaker 2: happening when you're out there. Really underrated run defender, he's
Speaker 2: sneaky good in zone coverage, like he's kind of got
Speaker 2: like a nose for the football. Is five picks over
Speaker 2: the last two years, mostly in zone coverage.
Speaker 1: I think he had seventy nine pass breakups last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't put him in Manton man against like
Speaker 2: tough assignments like if you have a pass catching running
Speaker 2: back or dynamic tight ends and things like that. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily say that he's smooth enough in terms of
Speaker 2: that in coverage, but he's got a really good knack
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field for those, you know,
Speaker 2: those short zone drops, just kind of feeling out those
Speaker 2: routes and being able to jump routes from those underneath spots.
Speaker 2: He's two hundred and thirty pounds, so he's a little
Speaker 2: bit more undersized, a little bit faster, a little bit
Speaker 2: more sidelined to sideline to him than what they've had
Speaker 2: in the past. But most of all, I just think
Speaker 2: he plays like a maniac. Like I think he plays
Speaker 2: with his hair on fire. He plays physical, he plays
Speaker 2: through blocks, and that's something that they just didn't have
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: Old school line old school mentality, modern linebacker skill set.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like he is, he's I'm sure
Speaker 1: he's a very nice guy, but on the field, mean
Speaker 1: plays a nasty flies around, always near the football, doesn't
Speaker 1: miss a chance to deliver a big hit. But he
Speaker 1: can move. He can move, he can get sideline a sideline,
Speaker 1: he can explode in the backfield when he needs And
Speaker 1: the other thing is like a lot of these linebackers.
Speaker 1: So the initial report was that the Patriots were in
Speaker 1: on Jamien Sherwood. Yeah, Jamien Sherwoods two hundred and sixteen pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that worried me a little bit. And I don't
Speaker 1: like Sherwood's twenty five Splain's twenty nine. So there's something
Speaker 1: to be said for upside and all that. But Splaine
Speaker 1: six to one, two nine, Like, he's not small, he's
Speaker 1: not big. He's not the two hundred and sixty pound
Speaker 1: linebacker we're used to seeing here, you know, like Juwan Bentley,
Speaker 1: but he still has some size to him and he
Speaker 1: can still handle some of those old school linebacker roles.
Speaker 1: So I I don't know, looking back on it, like,
Speaker 1: did they almost end up better off? We're sure we're
Speaker 1: going back to the Jets and ending up with Splaine.
Speaker 2: They definitely ended up with the more physical player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Splaine and I also think that, you know, he's
Speaker 2: one of those guys that plays with energy and plays
Speaker 2: with like a joy to him a little bit. That
Speaker 2: not saying that Surewood doesn't play with energy, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if like Spolaine is gonna be one. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you he's gonna be one of those guys that
Speaker 2: is gonna get this place going a little bit. You know,
Speaker 2: Like I think that he's gonna make some plays and
Speaker 2: he's gonna get up out off the pile and be
Speaker 2: screaming and stuff like that. He just has like an
Speaker 2: edge to him.
Speaker 1: This is still unlike you forget. They don't show that
Speaker 1: on the All twenty two.
Speaker 2: You know how bad the defense in the middle of
Speaker 2: the field was last year.
Speaker 1: I couldn't they don't. This is what I always say
Speaker 1: when you watch the All twenty two. You lose the
Speaker 1: stuff in between the whistles, you lose penalties, you lose
Speaker 1: like body language, emotion. But he is not a lot
Speaker 1: of it on there.
Speaker 2: You know what it was.
Speaker 1: And I don't me wrong. I like that you have
Speaker 1: the stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the player. I I mentioned this yesterday
Speaker 2: on Unfiltered, but last year, you know me, I'll find
Speaker 2: myself on a Monday night. Tuesday night when I'm doing
Speaker 2: all my film stuff, for some reason, I'm watching The
Speaker 2: Raiders Defense. Like no, no one knows why, Like why
Speaker 2: did I end up here? I couldn't tell you, but
Speaker 2: you know there's cross tape or whatever, and like they're
Speaker 2: playing an offense and played the Raiders and I'm just
Speaker 2: ending up here. Okay, So I'm ending up here on
Speaker 2: the Raiders Defense. And every time you turned on the
Speaker 2: film with the Raiders Defense, even over the last two years,
Speaker 2: I would say this blame guy just keeps flashing, like
Speaker 2: he keeps making plays.
Speaker 1: He just shows up.
Speaker 2: He's always around the ball and and he's he's sort
Speaker 2: of like the film junkies, like the guys on Twitter
Speaker 2: that are always posting clips and stuff like that. We
Speaker 2: all kind of just love Splaine. Like I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. It just is one of those guys
Speaker 2: that is underrated. And I set it off the top
Speaker 2: of the show that it feels like somebody's paying attention again,
Speaker 2: which is nice. I feel like somebody's watching the tape. Right.
Speaker 2: We're not We're not just going out there and oh
Speaker 2: I heard that guy right, Like we're actually going out
Speaker 2: and watching film and understanding who these players are. And
Speaker 2: Splaine is one of those guys. To me, that shows
Speaker 2: that someone did some homework, Like this is a this
Speaker 2: is a good poll, like this is yeah some you know. Oh,
Speaker 2: like Zach Bond's a free agent, so we're just gonna
Speaker 2: give Zach Bond.
Speaker 1: It's been underrated. It came into the league as Udfa
Speaker 1: played two games with the Titans, went to Pittsburgh, started
Speaker 1: off as he like a primary special teamer, worked his
Speaker 1: way in rotation or all. He started all seventeen games
Speaker 1: last few years for the Raiders. Like this is a
Speaker 1: guy that built his way up quietly.
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right, Uh that was the defense most Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was. I want to talk about Tonga. So Tonga
Speaker 2: a space eater, right, Like Tonga is a space heating
Speaker 2: nose tackle.
Speaker 1: And so just when you're worried, I think you had
Speaker 1: texted me this, yeah that, like you know, these are
Speaker 1: good signings, right, they're bringing good players, nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: but like, are they getting a little too small on defense?
Speaker 2: They were one big boys short yep on the defense.
Speaker 1: Six foot four three eight pound chiris Tonga shows Yeah, every.
Speaker 2: Once in a while, I got a feel for the league,
Speaker 2: you know, every once in a.
Speaker 1: While, So you knew when you texted me that.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Because it was like five minutes before they signed thex
Speaker 2: SO Tonga, Like you said, space eater, big dude, gonna
Speaker 2: clog rushing lands, great short yardage player.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: What I really like about the Tonga signing though, and
Speaker 2: this is this is where my nerdom comes in. Like
Speaker 2: they moved Von Godshaw who was a good player but
Speaker 2: probably overpriced for what the role is that he was
Speaker 2: going to play, especially in this defense, and they get
Speaker 2: a significantly better value in Tonga and he's probably gonna
Speaker 2: play the same apps that Devon Gotcha was gonna play.
Speaker 2: So is it maybe a little bit worse of a player.
Speaker 2: I guess you could make that case. But now they
Speaker 2: have Milton Williams, now they have Harold Landry. And this
Speaker 2: is just from a math standpoint or a financial standpoint,
Speaker 2: Like to me, this is a shrewd move, like you
Speaker 2: trim salary with Devon Gotshaw, but you still have a
Speaker 2: Devon Godshaw type player in tongue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they because he's just with Gosh Gotcha played
Speaker 1: over fifty percent. Last year they played like fifty five percent.
Speaker 1: This guy probably thirty percent of the place. Right, He's
Speaker 1: just gonna be on the field when they need to
Speaker 1: stop the run. That's it. You didn't need to pay
Speaker 1: that guy they opened up this year. It's minimal, but
Speaker 1: next year eight million dollars in gap. Uh, you didn't
Speaker 1: need to be paying that for what that role is
Speaker 1: gonna be and and and and tongs of the player.
Speaker 1: He's gonna take up space and and that's what they needed.
Speaker 2: They needed another big body. I want to get to
Speaker 2: what we still think they needs. I don't want to
Speaker 2: keep on.
Speaker 1: I know we were gonna end up leaving off one
Speaker 1: guy that no, no, no, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I just meant like, I have a couple more they
Speaker 2: still need, but on defense. But we'll to that in
Speaker 2: a second. I want to do that separately, all right. Offensively,
Speaker 2: Morgan Moses, who is like a agent like fine wine,
Speaker 2: like he's an agent. Wonder his best years of his
Speaker 2: career last year. Yeah, he plays for the most part,
Speaker 2: he plays every game for like eleven straight years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible. The durability. This was exactly what we
Speaker 2: were talking about on the offensive line going into free agency,
Speaker 2: just give me somebody that is an NFL player at
Speaker 2: the position right And we were talking more about about tackle,
Speaker 2: but I think you mentioned guard, and I've been big
Speaker 2: on a left guard as a potential hole here. But
Speaker 2: in terms of right tackle, just give me somebody who
Speaker 2: is an NFL player at that position, uh not, not
Speaker 2: someone that is off the scrap heap or off someone
Speaker 2: else's you know, practice squad, an NFL player. And that's
Speaker 2: exactly what Morgan Moses is. He's a people mover in
Speaker 2: the run game, really really physical blocker. I think him
Speaker 2: next to Mike gon When, who was a great run
Speaker 2: blocking right side offensive line. Those guys on double teams
Speaker 2: and gap schemes and things, they're gonna move some people
Speaker 2: on that side of the line of scrimmage, which is good.
Speaker 2: I think that's what Josh McDaniels wants. I think that's
Speaker 2: what his offense wants. I always go back to his
Speaker 2: ideal right side of Marcus Cannon and Shaq Mason, like
Speaker 2: you just want two bulldozers over there that can really
Speaker 2: move the line of scrimmage. I think they have that again,
Speaker 2: and I watched Moses against Chop Robinson because that was
Speaker 2: the one thing I had concerned kind of like with
Speaker 2: Davis was speed. Just on the other side, I was
Speaker 2: worried about the twitched up guys, like are those speed
Speaker 2: rushers like a Chop Robinson at thirty four years old,
Speaker 2: is he still meeting them, you know, at the junction
Speaker 2: point of the rush, and is he still able to
Speaker 2: protect his edge against Chop Robinson. And chop Robinson got
Speaker 2: him a few times. But I thought that he did
Speaker 2: pretty well and held up pretty well, really good, you know,
Speaker 2: out of his stand still. I think he gains plenty
Speaker 2: of ground. There still blocks inside out, so you're not
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of like really quick losses on his tape,
Speaker 2: and that's encouraging. It's you're not gonna get those like
Speaker 2: blowbys where it's just no contest. So I know, think
Speaker 2: he's the most fleet of foot at this point. He's
Speaker 2: not a great uh lateral, you know, redirect athlete, so
Speaker 2: he's gonna have some issues with those types of guys sometimes,
Speaker 2: but again, he's not gonna get blown by consistently, at
Speaker 2: least professional player, professional solid player a little bit older.
Speaker 2: I doubt he plays the whole three years of the contract,
Speaker 2: but they just needed somebody to get them the level
Speaker 2: at one of those tackle spots, and he'll do that.
Speaker 2: It's not a position, and we're not gonna at least
Speaker 2: one spot we know we're not gonna have to go
Speaker 2: into camp when tackle spot that we know we're not
Speaker 2: gonna have to go in to camp and be like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, this guy's the favorite, but this guy
Speaker 2: could win the RP.
Speaker 1: No Morgan Moses. If Morgan Moses is losing that spot,
Speaker 1: something probably went unexpectedly wrongly. Yeah, that's his job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: solid player. Gives them another year to develop Kane Wallace
Speaker 1: if they want, although maybe they end up moving him
Speaker 1: to guard or something like that, but gives them some
Speaker 1: flexibility there, walks Mike O and whnu Wint right guard
Speaker 1: for the first time in his NFL career. Mike went
Speaker 1: who can spend the entire offseason preseason just focusing on
Speaker 1: one position? Right, should spend the entire offseason? Uh, preseason
Speaker 1: focusing on one position. You talked a lot about pass
Speaker 1: pro there. I think you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 1: fun running off that right side between on When and
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses. I think there's a lot of potential there.
Speaker 1: Solid signing, solid signing. Not you know, nobody's doom cart
Speaker 1: wheels or anything, but like box checked for sure, that
Speaker 1: box is checked. Good right tackle for this year, not
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How relieving is that to have a good spot
Speaker 2: to not have to go into the camp and well
Speaker 2: it could you know they've drafted Wallace in the third
Speaker 2: round and you know they have you know, this veteran
Speaker 2: that's Riley Reef over there gets waved.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no not not not at right tackle. We'll
Speaker 1: see that left. Yeah, not doing that at right tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The last thing on Moses that I really like talking
Speaker 2: to Brandon Thorne, who's kind of my my O line
Speaker 2: guy that I like to pick his brain a lot
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff. And uh he he did
Speaker 2: point out that really good in the room, like a
Speaker 2: really good leader. He's going to take these guys that
Speaker 2: they draft, you know, they draft a rookie left tackle,
Speaker 2: Caden Wallace in his second season, Laden Robinson in his
Speaker 2: second season. Uh, he's going to take these guys under
Speaker 2: his wing. He's going to show him the ropes. He's
Speaker 2: going to teach them how to be professionals. And I
Speaker 2: think that that's important. I think that's a good part
Speaker 2: of that as well. Good culture guy experienced steady Brandon
Speaker 2: Nudd every year does a O line rankings and he
Speaker 2: had he had everybody in tears, and uh, Moses was
Speaker 2: in his average NFL starter tier, which I think is
Speaker 2: exactly what he is. You know, he's a steady, reliable,
Speaker 2: average right tackle in the league, which is so much
Speaker 2: better than what they had last year. So we're in
Speaker 2: proving there in that spot as well. And you know,
Speaker 2: we'll get to the rest of the line here in
Speaker 2: the second which is still a big question marking a
Speaker 2: big concern Mac Collins. This one is I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: I know it's not what everybody wants out a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people, you know, I
Speaker 2: posted some clips of him on Twitter and everybody was like,
Speaker 2: don't try to convince us that this guy is a
Speaker 2: wide receiver one. You know, no one's trying to convince
Speaker 2: you that Matt Collins is the cure to all their
Speaker 2: ills at the wide receiver position. But similar to what
Speaker 2: we were just talking about with Moses, this is a
Speaker 2: professional receiver that goes about things the right way. From
Speaker 2: everything that everybody has talked about and in terms of
Speaker 2: that side of it. How much of a mess that
Speaker 2: receiver room was last year on and off the field.
Speaker 2: This is a guy you're not gonna have to worry
Speaker 2: about in terms of the off field locker room stuff.
Speaker 2: And I actually think that he's got some sneaky juice.
Speaker 2: Like it's not great, Like I'm not again, no one's
Speaker 2: trying to convince you that Collins is the answer. But
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that I saw on film, I
Speaker 2: took me by surprise a little bit. Like he's got
Speaker 2: a little bit of speed and some juice off the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, you know, really good accelerator off the line,
Speaker 2: and he's got some wiggle against press. He's got size,
Speaker 2: you know, in the red zone. He's six foot four,
Speaker 2: kind of five touchdowns last year for Buffalo. So I
Speaker 2: do think that he is a guy that can be
Speaker 2: used in the red zone as that type of player,
Speaker 2: especially if he's gonna run routes out of that like
Speaker 2: big slot role. Right you put him inside almost like
Speaker 2: a tight end and have him, you know, run seams
Speaker 2: and and cuts and stuff like that down by the
Speaker 2: goal line. He's got a nice catch radius and size
Speaker 2: to him. It plays on special teams. You know he's
Speaker 2: gonna be a four down player for you. I had
Speaker 2: really good production with Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 1: Solid, solid depth, Yeah, solid on spectacle. I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of people felt strongly about this one one way
Speaker 1: or the other, and I just I couldn't find it
Speaker 1: either way. Like, he definitely checks and boxes they need
Speaker 1: to check six four two twenty one because you size
Speaker 1: in that room. He is probably is his safe stays
Speaker 1: the only true X on the roster. I know they
Speaker 1: played Kishon Booty out there, but that's because they don't
Speaker 1: have anybody else, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's He's the guy that can definitely play
Speaker 2: the X. I think he's better as a big slot,
Speaker 2: which I feel like as we say that a lot.
Speaker 1: Well he hasn't, but he hasn't done that a lot
Speaker 1: in his career.
Speaker 2: No, but I thought that, you know, in Buffalo last year,
Speaker 2: I was I thought that was his best tape was
Speaker 2: playing inside. I think that that way there. You know,
Speaker 2: his speed in his size against nickel corners or safeties
Speaker 2: is a lot harder to defend for guys that play
Speaker 2: full time on the outside at defensive back, Like when
Speaker 2: he gets into the inside part of the field. I
Speaker 2: at six foot Fouries, he's got some girth. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got some size to him.
Speaker 1: I guess they need somebody to play the X. And again,
Speaker 1: either way, he brings size that they didn't have. He
Speaker 1: bring experience. Uh, he brings that veteran leadership, and he
Speaker 1: can play on special teams. They still need to do
Speaker 1: a ton oft receivers. This doesn't really answer any of
Speaker 1: the talent questions, but they needed depth in that room.
Speaker 1: They needed somebody to push some of these younger guys
Speaker 1: and bring in competition for them for more rotational roles.
Speaker 1: I think he does that, but I mean this is
Speaker 1: not a replacement for metcalf or Higgins or any of
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 2: No, and it will be interesting and uh when we
Speaker 2: talk about, well, you know what's going on, what's gonna
Speaker 2: happen next here they have bodies at receiver, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying they have any answers. And I want to keep
Speaker 2: putting that out there until somebody eclipses and says, oh,
Speaker 2: he said that they're fine at receiver. No, they have
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of They need a lot more
Speaker 2: at receiver. But all of a sudden, I was texting
Speaker 2: you last night about the you know, potential depth charts
Speaker 2: and things like that. Uh, you know, what are you
Speaker 2: gonna do with Booty? I actually even throw Kendrick Bourne
Speaker 2: in this category, right, Kendrick Bourne, Booty Polk, Baker, like
Speaker 2: those four guys, Yeah, because you're gonna have I would
Speaker 2: think another draft pick at wide receiver, I would think, uh,
Speaker 2: that's gonna make the.
Speaker 1: Roster unless unless it's a high draft pick. Do you
Speaker 1: need one? Like, like, what good does it do them
Speaker 1: to take another receiver in the fourth round?
Speaker 2: Well, this is my point, right is like you know
Speaker 2: everybody's throwing out there, you know, sign Cooper Cup, draft
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. Like, I'm not saying don't, but I'm not
Speaker 2: saying don't do those things. Yeah, I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: when you start to really think about it, there's the
Speaker 2: numbers there. You're gonna be giving up on on a
Speaker 2: young player there that you just drafted, and probably Javon
Speaker 2: Baker is probably the most likely guy. But still like
Speaker 2: that that foursome of Bourne, Polk, Booty Baker. If you
Speaker 2: go into the season thinking that right now, MATC Collins
Speaker 2: and Pop Douglas I think are on the team yes, right,
Speaker 2: And my guess is that they're gonna either sign or
Speaker 2: trade or draft one more receiver that's gonna be on
Speaker 2: the team. So you're really talking about two or three
Speaker 2: spots that are left over there. MATC. Collins is already
Speaker 2: sort of your fringe wide receiver for a special team guy, right,
Speaker 2: So that spot's kind of already taken up. So you're
Speaker 2: talking about two more true receivers that aren't gonna just
Speaker 2: be kicking game contributors, making the roster out of four guys.
Speaker 2: So someone between that foursome is gonna be is gonna
Speaker 2: be out, And maybe that's for the best. Like I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing. It's just
Speaker 2: something to consider when you start hearing, oh, they need
Speaker 2: to double dip out receiver again, or they need to
Speaker 2: sign this guy and draft that guy, like they're starting
Speaker 2: to get the numbers are starting to get a little crazy, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I'm just interested to see how that all pans out.
Speaker 2: But we'll get to more of that here in a second.
Speaker 2: Let's wrap this up, Josh Dobbs, is the last move here,
Speaker 2: and how are you feeling about the Manhattan Project Because
Speaker 2: we're starting to get a little bit sweaty about this,
Speaker 2: alex that your guy's not going to be here. Joe
Speaker 2: Milton is who we're talking right.
Speaker 1: If they get a good return for Joe Milton, he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere, he's gonna have a chance to start, like,
Speaker 1: I'd be incredibly happy for him. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: it validates what Alexander did and what they did last
Speaker 1: year taking them probably that was always the point. Right
Speaker 1: when they drafted Joe Milton, we said, like, best case scenario,
Speaker 1: you have a couple of showcase games, warm in the
Speaker 1: preseason or late in the season, and he goes out
Speaker 1: and you get back more than you drafted him. So
Speaker 1: I'd be happy for him if they're able to do that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not rushing that guy out the door. I think
Speaker 1: there's value in having a good backup quarterback, and his
Speaker 1: value I think can still go up and maybe you
Speaker 1: get more. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: For anything less than one hundred and the top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick, I just think you're spinning your tires to
Speaker 1: what to go ahead and draft Brady Cook in the
Speaker 1: seventh round and just start the process over. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't They definitely have more flexibility now because they have
Speaker 1: another backup quarterback in place if they do trade Joe Milton,
Speaker 1: if somebody blows them away. That being said, I would
Speaker 1: not rule out the idea that they want to keep
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Yeah, so what most teams do now when
Speaker 1: you have that emergency quarterback rule on game days, teams
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of that. It's not like they're
Speaker 1: going to have a roster crunch. They're still kind of
Speaker 1: building this thing up. And Josh Dobbs gives you a
Speaker 1: veteran in that room. This is a guy that's the
Speaker 1: Patriots or is eleventh NFL team? Yeah right, he's he
Speaker 1: he's only played what five six NFL seasons, but there's
Speaker 1: a lot of experience packed in there, and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good mentor not mentor, but like good veteran
Speaker 1: voice in the room for Drake May and Joe Milton.
Speaker 1: He gives you an opportunity to have that third emergency
Speaker 1: quarterback on game days. Stylistically, he's a fit with the
Speaker 1: other two, so you're not gonna have to really have
Speaker 1: him do things differently. What better you have two guys
Speaker 1: with rocket arms to have a rocket scientist teach them
Speaker 1: how to go about their their game.
Speaker 2: Right, So how long have you been rehearsing that one?
Speaker 1: I came up with it about ten minutes after they
Speaker 1: signed him. Yeah, they like could they It makes it
Speaker 1: Joe Milton trade easier. And maybe that's down the road.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's at the end of camp, some team gets antsy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I mean, at the time we're doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: Rogers is still out there, Wilson's still out there, and
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Kirk Cousins. Then you have
Speaker 1: the draft. Maybe you get a team that you know,
Speaker 1: get shaky and says, you know what, we we got
Speaker 1: to give up more than we want because we've got
Speaker 1: to come out of this with a quarterback. We're missing
Speaker 1: on everybody. But so maybe maybe it gives them the
Speaker 1: flexibility if the right offer comes along. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to north Should they just rush Joe
Speaker 1: Milton out the door? What I said the other night
Speaker 1: on Twitter, don't just trade Joe Milton for the best
Speaker 1: you can get. Trade Joe Milton because somebody is giving
Speaker 1: you a reason to trade Joe Milton, right if the
Speaker 1: best offer is still not like significant, you really don't
Speaker 1: need to be in a rush to trade him. And
Speaker 1: the other thing I'll add to this just the Dobbs
Speaker 1: signing as a whole, Like he got two years, eight million,
Speaker 1: which is solid. It's not starting money, but it's solid
Speaker 1: backup quarterback money. Sam Darnold got a hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1: You saw somebody give up a fifth round pick for
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. Yeah, these teams are going hard into the
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback.
Speaker 2: Market because they're terrified of the draft class.
Speaker 1: Which might be so glass half fall a glass half empty.
Speaker 1: These teams are going hard into the veteran quarterback market,
Speaker 1: which might be a good sign for the Patriot because
Speaker 1: it means none of the teams like the quarterbacks, which
Speaker 1: means they won't go at the top of the draft.
Speaker 1: The bad news for the Patriots is all the teams
Speaker 1: winning the deals for these quarterbacks and trading for them
Speaker 1: are not the teams at the top of the draft.
Speaker 1: So do they get desperate and take somebody or does
Speaker 1: it show you that those teams maybe feel better about
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are available.
Speaker 2: So I'm with you on Joe. I'm in no rush
Speaker 2: to trade Joe Millen now if somebody comes in with
Speaker 2: a second or third round pick, I would obviously strongly
Speaker 2: consider a top one hundred, you know, value worth it maybe,
Speaker 2: But I'm in no rush to trade Joe Millon. And
Speaker 2: I look at Joe Millon the same way that I'm
Speaker 2: sure in a lot of ways Bill Belichick looked at
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, or at the time, you're right over there
Speaker 2: you get water Piper Jacoby Brissett, you know at the
Speaker 2: time as well, like, don't trade them until you have
Speaker 2: to trade them, right, if you.
Speaker 1: Could get like a Phillip Dorset equivalent, actually that'd be great.
Speaker 2: But just don't don't be in any rush. Like you
Speaker 2: have a affordable rookie cost controlled rookie contract, backup quarterback
Speaker 2: with upside, So don't don't be in this huge rush
Speaker 2: to trade him. Now. Again, if if a team blows
Speaker 2: you away with an offer that's ridiculous, you know, like
Speaker 2: a second round pick comes over, you know, across the table.
Speaker 2: Of course, you do it, right, But I don't be
Speaker 2: in any rush. I don't buy some of this stuff
Speaker 2: out there that Joe Milton sees himself as a starter
Speaker 2: and like it's going to like cause issues in the
Speaker 2: room with Drake May. I don't necessarily think that that's
Speaker 2: the type of guy Joe Milton is.
Speaker 1: I think that's more like an eventually thing, like eventually
Speaker 1: he'd like to go somewhere where he has a start,
Speaker 1: a chance to start, which of course he does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think like it needs to be right now, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, that's just not the kind of guy
Speaker 1: that he is. The only team I wonder like if
Speaker 1: he sees a chance to go to the Rams and
Speaker 1: get back with the alex man Pelt and continue on
Speaker 1: the development path he was on last year, and you know,
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, who knows how much longer he's going to
Speaker 1: be there, that might be something that enticing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So last year when I wrote our feature on
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, when they drafted him, and so I was
Speaker 2: talking to some people down at the Senior Bowl about
Speaker 2: him because he was down at the Senior Bowl, And
Speaker 2: that was when I first started to get on the
Speaker 2: bandwagon with you, if you remember correctly. So every year
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl they hand out like a good
Speaker 2: Guy Award, basically just one of the players that was
Speaker 2: just above and beyond around around everybody. The re meeting
Speaker 2: around the meeting rooms, the locker room. You're just a
Speaker 2: great guy to be around.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Hang right, guess who won that award? Joe Milton.
Speaker 2: So that you're telling me that that guy is now
Speaker 2: going to start to try to strum up some quarterback
Speaker 2: controversy between him and Drake May, I just don't. That's
Speaker 2: not the vibe that I've gotten talking to people at
Speaker 2: Michigan Tennessee, the Senior Bowl all throughout that process, that
Speaker 2: he was the type of guy that was going to
Speaker 2: do that. And I think that was part of the
Speaker 2: reason why they felt comfortable double dipping and drafting him
Speaker 2: last year because they didn't think that he was going
Speaker 2: to cause a whole hullrible that he should be starting.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be worried too much about that. But again,
Speaker 2: if somebody blows you away with an offer that you
Speaker 2: can't refuse, and you take it, but don't don't trade
Speaker 2: Joe Millon for a fourth round pick just to trade him,
Speaker 2: because then I think you have to draft another quarterback again, right,
Speaker 2: and so then you're just using that pick to draft
Speaker 2: another Joe Milton. So just keep Joe.
Speaker 1: Milton, and there is not another Joe Milton in the draft.
Speaker 1: There won't be another Joe Milton in the draft for
Speaker 1: a long long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a unique time, he is. He is. All right,
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Speaker 3: Screener, you definitely are hi, guys doing today?
Speaker 2: Good good?
Speaker 3: All right. I just want to give a couple of
Speaker 3: quick shout outs and then I'll get to my question.
Speaker 3: A big shout out to Chester and Portland. You know.
Speaker 3: He he basically said I was an idiot for not
Speaker 3: looking more into Mac Collins and when I did. The
Speaker 3: guy is kind of a character, and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: I didn't gi him as much credit as he was
Speaker 3: giving him. And if you look like in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two he had his best year with Josh, so maybe
Speaker 3: that's positive going forward with him. You know, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying he's gonna be Brandon Lafel or you know, any
Speaker 3: anything in that mold, but you know, maybe we can
Speaker 3: get some good, solid production for him. And I think
Speaker 3: this guy might end up being a fan favorite. And
Speaker 3: and the YouTube comments, let me shout out old Man
Speaker 3: Mob because that guy's always on point. Now let's get
Speaker 3: to my questions. Guys. Do you guys The first question
Speaker 3: is do you think with the moves that we made
Speaker 3: with Robert Splane, do you think Juwan Bentley still has
Speaker 3: a role on this team, Because if it comes down
Speaker 3: between him and Jilanni to buy I I actually want
Speaker 3: to buy off this team. Like I don't want him
Speaker 3: on here. Call me petty, but I don't like what.
Speaker 3: I don't like how he presented as fans last last season.
Speaker 3: You know, we're the ones that pay his salary, and
Speaker 3: sometimes football, you know, football players need to get that
Speaker 3: through their head that we're the ones that come to
Speaker 3: the games, We're the ones that buy the jerseys, We're
Speaker 3: the ones that watched the games on TV that that
Speaker 3: helped this you know, ad revenue go through and help
Speaker 3: get these guys paid. So I want I just want
Speaker 3: him gone. And my second question is this is kind
Speaker 3: of crazy. Let's say something absolutely bonkers happens at the
Speaker 3: top of the draft and Will Campbell, Abdull Carter, and
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter are all sitting there at number four. Who
Speaker 3: do you take.
Speaker 2: Off your guys? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Twice about it. He's the best player in the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take Abdul Carter too. In terms of linebacker,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any plans of releasing Tavai
Speaker 2: or moving on from Bentley or anything like that. I
Speaker 2: still see that Bentley and Spoayne can play together. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Bentley is your mic Splain's your weak side
Speaker 2: linebacker playing you know, in a four to two in
Speaker 2: this defense. Maybe that means to Vay and Spolayne are
Speaker 2: kind of in a competition for who is the best,
Speaker 2: you know, compliment to Bentley there. But I still see
Speaker 2: a role for Bentley on this team.
Speaker 1: Bentley will still have a role, might be reduced. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was playing ninety percent of the stamps before I got hurt.
Speaker 1: Lest year, like that's gonna go down like sixty five seventy,
Speaker 1: I would think, But he still has a role for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a role for Jelanne to Vai. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't know, especially when you consider anything that
Speaker 1: happened last year, you're going to keep that guy around
Speaker 1: in a backup role where he's not playing a ton
Speaker 1: where he's probably gonna get frustrated. You know. I don't
Speaker 1: know that, like you said, is anything imminent, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But when we get around a training camp, we're talking
Speaker 1: about guys on the bubble. If he's still here at
Speaker 1: that point, that's definitely somebody I'd put us on the bubble.
Speaker 1: If i'd do a roster projection today, I don't know
Speaker 1: that i'd have him on the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up
Speaker 2: to Sean?
Speaker 4: Oh gods, how do you guys doing?
Speaker 2: Hate good?
Speaker 4: I want to talk about three thirds. First, is the
Speaker 4: safety part or whatever I mean? I have a hard
Speaker 4: time understanding and the reason why they need to try
Speaker 4: to go out to read because like it's been all
Speaker 4: of something they had a traditional safety I ring your
Speaker 4: city like that could cover out in space from sideline
Speaker 4: to sideline, you know, that could like defend the run
Speaker 4: as well as the past. So I'm smartly didn't go
Speaker 4: out to read because douggars stucks. And I've been saying
Speaker 4: this for a long time that they should have traded
Speaker 4: him last year. Now, when it comes to certain things
Speaker 4: about like far as, like the live backer situation, whatever,
Speaker 4: I feel like guys like Ellis Mapoo would benefit this
Speaker 4: year because I have more help wanting to defend the
Speaker 4: times so ecthetic resport I said, they could play there
Speaker 4: respectable roles better because of that of them boosting the
Speaker 4: defense like that. Now, when when it comes to the offense,
Speaker 4: we want to talk about you know, uh Holland. But
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys I feel like would be
Speaker 4: great if they had a number one receiver because they'd
Speaker 4: been a player respectable roles as well. At the same
Speaker 4: thing was apply to the offense. But the probably they
Speaker 4: don't have a number one receiver to help everybody refill
Speaker 4: their respectful role. That's the issue that's basically going on.
Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Sean, thanks for the call. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: as safety where we're all hoping that a true center
Speaker 2: fielder is coming. You know, it's not gonna be. It's
Speaker 2: not gonna be John Jevon Holland obviously he's not. I
Speaker 2: think he's mentioned Justin Reed, who Yeah, did he sign somewhere?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where'd he go? I don't know where he went.
Speaker 1: I know he signed.
Speaker 2: So you know, those guys aren't gonna be it. But
Speaker 2: I don't know as I could see a vision where
Speaker 2: it's not a full time player Justin Reid went to
Speaker 2: the Saints, but that dron harmon role of uh, we're
Speaker 2: gonna play an obvious past, you know, third down, two minutes,
Speaker 2: four minute offenses at the end of games, you know,
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, which is usually factors into a
Speaker 2: good chunk of the snaps when you really think about it.
Speaker 2: In those scenarios, I definitely think that that player could
Speaker 2: be had. Like you mentioned, what's it a Cuba, right, Andrew.
Speaker 1: So the two guys I look at, yes, right, if
Speaker 1: they want to go in the first round, I guess
Speaker 1: there'd be three. If they want to go in the
Speaker 1: first round, it's Malachai Starks, but he's going to be
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, so they it's not happening without
Speaker 1: a ton of movement. Andrew mccooba from Texas in the
Speaker 1: second round thirty eight might be a little rich, but
Speaker 1: if they kind of hammer out some other needs here,
Speaker 1: not totally out of character, Probably better off moving back
Speaker 1: into the fifties and moving up from seventy to the
Speaker 1: fifties for him. And then the Day three guys would
Speaker 1: be early Day three probably at one oh six would
Speaker 1: be Billy Bowman from Oklahoma. He is going to be
Speaker 1: a true rotational player. I think mccuba maybe grows into
Speaker 1: that guy that can play eighty five to ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the time. Billy Bowman's gonna be rotational. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to play him on the back end. He's
Speaker 1: also going to be able to give you some hell
Speaker 1: up in the slot. But I think he's a player
Speaker 1: that could, certainly, if you're gonna do that situationally, fill
Speaker 1: that role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that for right now. I don't think
Speaker 2: they necessarily need anything more than a Deron Harmon in
Speaker 2: terms of snap usage and playing over the top. So
Speaker 2: I would be comfortable with like a mid round guy
Speaker 2: like Billy Bowman in that spot. Starks is interesting to
Speaker 2: me because I do wonder if his combine pushes him
Speaker 2: down kind of like Brian branch treatment style.
Speaker 1: That bad? Was it?
Speaker 2: He didn't run very well?
Speaker 1: Didn't Brian Branch run like a four to six? Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I would say Brian Branch was more in trouble
Speaker 2: than him. Maybe, yeah, But Stark says, I still feel like,
Speaker 2: if I can look it up, but if I remember
Speaker 2: correctly off the top of my head, he had one
Speaker 2: of those trust the tape type of combines, and there
Speaker 2: are yeah, like there are some things on his tape too.
Speaker 2: I didn't actually think that his tape was it didn't
Speaker 2: blow me away.
Speaker 1: Four or five flat thirty three inch vertical having two
Speaker 1: three cone four four or five shots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. That's not great for you know,
Speaker 2: a guy that's supposed to be playing in space in
Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, So I would say that there's a
Speaker 2: chance that Stark slips a little bit. Was he gonna
Speaker 2: slip all the way to thirty eight? Like? Probably not,
Speaker 2: but especially in a draft like this, But there's a
Speaker 2: chance just because of that combine that you know, the
Speaker 2: athletic testing knocks him down a little bit. Like when
Speaker 2: I first started the process with the draft I it
Speaker 2: starts was on my short list of guys because of
Speaker 2: you know, top ten, top fifteen consideration. I didn't think
Speaker 2: the tape was like that eye opening to me. I
Speaker 2: wasn't blown away by what I saw. A good pursuit
Speaker 2: player against the run has some versatility to you know,
Speaker 2: he can play the nickel, he can play up top,
Speaker 2: he can play in the box. He had some issues
Speaker 2: with the angles and you know, tracking the ball down
Speaker 2: the field from his perch, and it got beat badly
Speaker 2: in that Texas game. I think it was I think
Speaker 2: it was golden. That sounds right, yeah, and he just
Speaker 2: he dove, you know for the ball and as it
Speaker 2: over the top, missed it and then you know, sixty
Speaker 2: yard touchdown right behind him. So there was some like
Speaker 2: little things like that with his film that I didn't
Speaker 2: think were It wasn't blown away, which was there, Like Branch.
Speaker 2: Branch was a hell of a college player like that.
Speaker 2: That was all overthink with the combine. If stars fell
Speaker 2: a little bit, I don't think it would be as
Speaker 2: much of an overthink for teams. So we'll see about that.
Speaker 2: Paul is in Wallthams, I'd say, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just went blind for some reason. Paul, what's up?
Speaker 4: Thank guys.
Speaker 5: How you doing. I just got one quick question for
Speaker 5: you coming out of this first few days of creagency.
Speaker 5: What would you rank the three to four biggest holes
Speaker 5: on the roster still and how would you rank them
Speaker 5: in terms of we need this sorted by August first
Speaker 5: we can try again next to season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks for the call, Paul. That's a great segue
Speaker 2: because that's exactly what I wanted to talk about next.
Speaker 2: So I think four is a good number. That's right
Speaker 2: about where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The two biggest are obviously wide receiver and left tackle.
Speaker 1: You're going to order though I'd flip those.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I probably would too. But I think the
Speaker 2: difference is to me, is that at left tackle, like
Speaker 2: if they signed, if they acquired, whatever way they go
Speaker 2: about it, a Morgan Moses level talent to play left tackle,
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1: That Cam Robinson.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Cam Robinson, I don't know. We can talk
Speaker 2: about Cam Robinson here in.
Speaker 1: Not Cam Robinson. I don't know who it is.
Speaker 2: But my point is is that if they got NFL
Speaker 2: average left tackle, I'd feel okay, whereas NFL average at
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Isn't enough, right, they already have that. They
Speaker 2: need better talent that wide receiver, Whereas I think you
Speaker 2: can get away with having NFL average at the tackle spots,
Speaker 2: so that that might be the one little difference in
Speaker 2: terms of order there for me. But wide receiver left tackle,
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna be pounding the table for an interior linement.
Speaker 2: I whether it's a center, it's a guard. So sign
Speaker 2: somebody that in this veteran market that has played the position. Again,
Speaker 2: just like Morgan Moses, like, just give me someone that
Speaker 2: has played the position at an NFL starting level.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It can be average, it can be adequate, but I
Speaker 2: just want a body there that I can trust, sure
Speaker 2: that I'm not putting all of my eggs in Cole Strange,
Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson City. So Ben Brown, you know, to pull
Speaker 2: out two starters from that group. Let's pull out one
Speaker 2: starter from that group instead of two, And I feel
Speaker 2: a lot better. On the defense side of the ball,
Speaker 2: I still think they're an edge rusher short. I think
Speaker 2: they need a pass rusher off the edge. It doesn't
Speaker 2: they have enough, you know, Landry Anthony Jennings. They have
Speaker 2: enough edge setters, somebody's just gonna pin his years back
Speaker 2: third down Joshua Roll. You know, someone that's gonna be
Speaker 2: a really good situational pass rush.
Speaker 1: But that like I don't know if we're just doing freegency,
Speaker 1: Like I feel really good about finding that guy on daytieh.
Speaker 2: No draft is open on this as well. I would
Speaker 2: say that that's a draft pick, you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: somebody h on Day two on the second round. I
Speaker 2: mean as Iraku princely, I'm not going to try to
Speaker 2: pronounce his last name, and there we go. Who I
Speaker 2: really liked by the way I watched him, every little
Speaker 2: bit of recency bias with him, but I watched him
Speaker 2: recently but before free agency. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: He's in the YouTube check because they can literally get
Speaker 1: josh Uchek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a free agent. Yeah, we've done that.
Speaker 2: But those two guys, you know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: as Iraku will make it to thirty eight. He might
Speaker 2: be a late first.
Speaker 1: If this is a thing where there's so many good
Speaker 1: edge rushers that guys get there's so many limits at
Speaker 1: other positions like receiver even quarterback right that guys get
Speaker 1: pushed down because teams are okay being patient.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not totally ruling out your Ohio State guys yet.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's exactly what they need for the Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if how much they're gonna trust
Speaker 2: Keon White as a four to three n YEA canon
Speaker 2: the dirt player. Jack Sawyer is definitely that, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a hand in the dirt four three end. So
Speaker 2: maybe if they look at it in terms of projecting
Speaker 2: starting roles years from now, right like two years from now,
Speaker 2: three years from now, maybe you could go in that
Speaker 2: direction still, But I think we're all kind of gravitating
Speaker 2: now more towards Princely Donovan Azarouki as a rock O
Speaker 2: shore third round. You know my guy Josiah Stewart, you know,
Speaker 2: just like a screamer off the edge like that I
Speaker 2: think would go a long way. And and we've mentioned
Speaker 2: free safety multiple times, like I feel like free safety
Speaker 2: is still one of those positions that they can get,
Speaker 2: they can get better at, and have somebody that is
Speaker 2: truly comfortable playing center field.
Speaker 1: If I was gonna do like the Big four right now,
Speaker 1: rank them left tackle wide receiver, but like a starting
Speaker 1: wide receiver, not some guy that's gonna plug into the
Speaker 1: middle of the depth chart right, muddy things further right,
Speaker 1: left tackle unquestioned. Top of the depth chart. Wide receiver
Speaker 1: would be two, free safety would be three, guard would
Speaker 1: be four. And then I'll also just sneak in there.
Speaker 1: And these are drafts specific. I do still want to
Speaker 1: see them even though Austin Hooper's back, I do still
Speaker 1: want to see them draft the tight end. I want
Speaker 1: to see them tap into this class and get the
Speaker 1: next guy in the pipeline because Henry and Hooper both
Speaker 1: over thirty, and I do want to see them draft
Speaker 1: a running back, get some more depth in that room,
Speaker 1: and also maybe push Stevenson and Gibson on the depth chart.
Speaker 2: Well that was you know, another good thing kind of
Speaker 2: byproduct of what they did on Day one at free
Speaker 2: agency is I feel like they still have enough picks
Speaker 2: that they can make some of those luxury They have
Speaker 2: some flexibility to do that because they don't need to
Speaker 2: desperately sign or draft like three defensive linemen because they
Speaker 2: didn't get anybody in free agency, or you know, get
Speaker 2: a run stuffing linebacker in the draft, which I thought
Speaker 2: was maybe like a sneaky need for the team. So
Speaker 2: I look at you know, outside corner, another one.
Speaker 1: Like that bus to check.
Speaker 2: They easily could have drafted a Carlon Davis type player
Speaker 2: on Day two or or you know, middle rounds of
Speaker 2: this draft because out of necessity, because they needed to
Speaker 2: fill that hole. Now they don't because of the way
Speaker 2: that they've handled free agency so far. So they can
Speaker 2: take a running back over the top. They can take
Speaker 2: a tight end you know, even still and add him
Speaker 2: to that room. And maybe it's more of a competition
Speaker 2: with Jahem Bell, you know, to make the roster there
Speaker 2: at tight end, or maybe all four of them make
Speaker 2: the roster.
Speaker 1: I again, forget about Robbie, you know full back. Would
Speaker 1: you would you be in on them signing use check.
Speaker 2: I said this yesterday and everybody mocked me because I
Speaker 2: think I called him Kyle. Then yeah, I called him
Speaker 2: Kyle and say, you know, first name basis right, Kyle Shanahan. Uh.
Speaker 2: It worries me that Kyle Shanahan thinks that he's cooked.
Speaker 1: Like if Kyle Shanahan think that he's cooked, or they
Speaker 1: just totally hitting the reset.
Speaker 2: Button over there, Kyle, that's like a that's like Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan's like fifth son, Like you're like, I don't how
Speaker 2: many sons he had. I just made that number up
Speaker 2: like that that. But you know what I'm trying to.
Speaker 1: If Kyle Shanahan Robbie and is clearing the way, no,
Speaker 1: I like, I remember.
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago. This was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: You know, we're getting old. It's probably like around twenty nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I was at the Combine and this was
Speaker 2: when Bill was still here. So Belichick never talked at
Speaker 2: the Combine. So you never had any real Patriots stuff.
Speaker 2: Well you know the drill now, so you never had
Speaker 2: any Patriot stuff on that Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 2: So I would just you know, bounce around this guy.
Speaker 2: Go to the Giants because Odell Beckham might get traded.
Speaker 2: Go here because that guy might get traded. And of
Speaker 2: course when Kyle Shanahan talked, you know, you know where,
Speaker 2: I was front and center, and I asked him about
Speaker 2: fullbacks and like his how he uses fullbacks, and this
Speaker 2: guy wax poetic about Kyle used checking the full back.
Speaker 2: And he told me at that time that he will
Speaker 2: never have a roster that doesn't feature a fullback, like
Speaker 2: he will always have a fullback on his team. Period.
Speaker 1: So everybody in Francisco forty nine at rob uotss coming, everybody.
Speaker 2: Thinks Kyle used Check is probably the best fullback in football,
Speaker 2: maybe in the history of football. And and you're telling
Speaker 2: me that Kyle Shanahan is cutting that player like that.
Speaker 2: That speaks to me then tells me that he might
Speaker 2: be he might be cooked, he might be washed.
Speaker 1: So is Deebo cooked? Then can we say that?
Speaker 2: I think that's a little because I took him for
Speaker 2: saying that, is it. Kyle Shanahan's giving up on him?
Speaker 2: Apparently this is the rule's moving on from players they're
Speaker 2: cold back like that. That's different.
Speaker 1: I I think you just got to take corner and
Speaker 1: saying no.
Speaker 2: It's different. It's a different. It's not different, it's different.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how. So Deebo Samuel might be washed.
Speaker 1: That's all right? So well I got yelled at for
Speaker 1: saying that. So this is what can we say Deebo's
Speaker 1: watch Then if we're saying that, this means Kyle used
Speaker 1: Check is washed.
Speaker 2: Before we go back to the funds, I want to
Speaker 2: go back to those needs that we talked about to
Speaker 2: start throwing some names out there. Well, let's start with
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I think we have to talk about the
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup of it all. Uh Cup check if you will?
Speaker 1: How long even hold on an that one?
Speaker 2: I thought of that one last night. I think we
Speaker 2: have to we talk talk about it if we're honest
Speaker 2: about the type of player that Cooper Cup is now.
Speaker 2: And if you look at his advanced metrics, you know, separation,
Speaker 2: yards after the catch, contested catchability, it is a precipitous
Speaker 2: drop year after year from twenty twenty one his nineteen
Speaker 2: hundred yards season. Right, yeah, we're from twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Each year gets progressively worse in terms of the analytics
Speaker 2: of it all is getting older. So you look at
Speaker 2: all that and you look at a team like the Rams,
Speaker 2: who won no offense better than maybe anybody, and maybe
Speaker 2: the brightest offensive mine in the league running the team
Speaker 2: in Sean McVay and two are one of the most
Speaker 2: analytically driven organizations in the league. They are telling you
Speaker 2: that Cooper Cup can't run anymore, is what I'm worried about.
Speaker 2: Their metrics, their their science is telling you that he
Speaker 2: has no more burst, or he doesn't have the same burst. Right,
Speaker 2: that would be concerning to me, all these things are
Speaker 2: concerning to me. With that being said, I'm coming around
Speaker 2: to the idea of whether it's Cooper Cup, it's Stefan Diggs,
Speaker 2: it's Amari Cooper, one of these aging star receivers for
Speaker 2: a team like the Patriots that keeps striking out at
Speaker 2: this position, you know, Godwin metcalf A, Yuke Ridley, Like
Speaker 2: Dyuke's out there again. Apparently they might need to take
Speaker 2: a chance on one of these guys, is my point.
Speaker 2: And I think the hope would be that he is
Speaker 2: able to still be like a wide receiver too on
Speaker 2: a depth chart. Yeah, and then maybe in the draft,
Speaker 2: and this is kind of my other big take about
Speaker 2: wide receiver, maybe in the draft you go out and
Speaker 2: get the guy, you know, the true number one receiver.
Speaker 2: But at this stage of his career, can Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: be the number two guy? Like? Can he be a
Speaker 2: number two guy? I'm willing to take that chance if
Speaker 2: the money is right. And I would also mention that
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good fit in the slot
Speaker 2: for Josh McDaniels. I think that he understands space and
Speaker 2: he understands how to find soft spots and zones. I
Speaker 2: think he understands how to run option routes. Certainly understands
Speaker 2: how to run option routes. That's all he ran for
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, you know, or those choice routes in their offense.
Speaker 2: So he understands and has a great feel for the
Speaker 2: middle of the field. Like I do think stylistically he's
Speaker 2: a nice fit with McDaniels, Like if Godwin was like
Speaker 2: the apex of this player that might be available, it
Speaker 2: would make sense for them to pivot stylistically to Cooper
Speaker 2: Cup And Okay, now you don't necessarily need to have
Speaker 2: him via trade, right, you can just get him if
Speaker 2: he's released at four o'clock. So I'm coming around to
Speaker 2: the idea of just taking a flyer on one of
Speaker 2: these guys and hoping that the fountain of youth, you know, delivers,
Speaker 2: you know, for a year or two.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. I at this point, I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, you choose between the age with Cup.
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm out of the Mari Cooper. I don't
Speaker 1: think Mark Coop is gonna give you anything. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: choosing between the age with Cup and the injury concerned
Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs. I think those are your two options.
Speaker 1: I am very much on the record. Just be nervous
Speaker 1: about wide receivers coming off injury. I said about Godwin,
Speaker 1: I said about Ayuk. Everybody knows how much I like Diggs,
Speaker 1: how great of a player I think he is. I
Speaker 1: think the character stuff's overblown. I mean, he was named
Speaker 1: a captain last year in his first year in Houston. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a littles center, Show me good receiver. That isn't right.
Speaker 1: The guy clearly locked in when because the way then
Speaker 1: the buffalo? But was that his fault? Or is everybody's
Speaker 1: golden boy? Maybe not his gold and his play? Did
Speaker 1: joel and beat m VP?
Speaker 2: He I I don't know this.
Speaker 1: This isn't necessarily me saying sign Stefan Diggs because it's
Speaker 1: coming off the torn a cl When will he be ready?
Speaker 1: You've seen them try to do this with guys before.
Speaker 1: But if it comes down to Diggs or Cup, I
Speaker 1: think he can make as strong a case for either.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say I would consider
Speaker 1: Diggs as strongly I was as I would consider Cup.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that. I'm I feel strongly one
Speaker 1: way or the other. Like I wouldn't hate seeing them
Speaker 1: at one of those guys at this point what things
Speaker 1: have come to. But I don't know. You want to
Speaker 1: tell me that a cut makes sense because he fits
Speaker 1: more in the offense and he's at least healthy or
Speaker 1: healthier and fine, you want to tell me Diggs is
Speaker 1: the answer because he's more of what they need in
Speaker 1: theory when he's healthy, and he has more upside as
Speaker 1: that number one guy and he's not quite as old.
Speaker 1: I could buy that argument too. I don't know I
Speaker 1: could go either way on either one of them, but
Speaker 1: I would consider them both equally.
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs was better last year, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Like Stefan Diggs was still a top fifteen receiver in
Speaker 2: the league when he was healthy last year, so he
Speaker 2: certainly has a much higher ceiling. Like Stefan Diggs, you
Speaker 2: could sign him and if he somehow bounces back with
Speaker 2: no setbacks or anything like that from the ACL, he's
Speaker 2: a number one receiver. Cooper Cup isn't at anymore. I
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing that you see with Cooper Cup
Speaker 2: on tape is he used to be a demon after
Speaker 2: the catch, right Like he would catch the ball and
Speaker 2: he'd be shot out of the cannon. He run those
Speaker 2: like five to six yard option routes, you know, those
Speaker 2: juke routes as wiggle routes over the middle, and he
Speaker 2: would catch it and he would just be out of
Speaker 2: the of the of the gates. He's not he doesn't
Speaker 2: have that kind of juice anymore. So now on third
Speaker 2: and three, when he catches that option rout over the middle,
Speaker 2: he might get you four yards, yeah, but he's not
Speaker 2: getting you fourteen, whereas in twenty twenty one he was
Speaker 2: getting you fourteen twenty twenty twenty five yards after the catch,
Speaker 2: and that was you know why he had such a
Speaker 2: great season. But he's not that player anymore. He can
Speaker 2: still move the chains, he's just not going to run
Speaker 2: by anybody or run through anybody. Stefan des can still
Speaker 2: be a number one receiver just because he's healthier and
Speaker 2: you're not worried about the whole ACL recovery and all that.
Speaker 2: I'd probably lean towards Scooper Cup just a little bit,
Speaker 2: but I hear I I wouldn't I opposed to either.
Speaker 1: At this point, you're kind of crossing your fingers and
Speaker 1: hoping either way, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So but I think they're in a position where
Speaker 2: they need to cross their fingers and hope, So why
Speaker 2: not get the guy that may be hopeful a little
Speaker 2: bit more just because I think he's gonna be available
Speaker 2: to start the season. Like, I think that's big.
Speaker 1: And also, so here's the flip side of it. I
Speaker 1: think you could argue that we broke this down before
Speaker 1: and we were talking about mac Hollins, like you're gonna
Speaker 1: have this roster crunch. Yeah, this is sort of what
Speaker 1: they did with Kendrick Borne last year. Well, now you
Speaker 1: kind of save a roster spot. You see in September,
Speaker 1: who's who works in this new system from the young
Speaker 1: guys who doesn't, and then Diggs comes in once you
Speaker 1: kind of have that all figured out, like you're not
Speaker 1: losing that much. So Diggs got hurt in October, right Halloween? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he again is the same time Kendrick Bourne did. Right,
Speaker 1: So kenn Bourne came back and what he's a player.
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna So that means no off season program,
Speaker 2: no training camp, no preseason.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Like you you start to build these things up, like
Speaker 2: when's the first time that Stefan Diggs is gonna catch
Speaker 2: passes from Drake may like it will be Halloween weekend
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five right when he's back on the field.
Speaker 2: So I just look at Cooper Cup and I think
Speaker 2: healthier to start the season would help because now he's
Speaker 2: in the room. Now he's doing all the intangible stuff
Speaker 2: that I think people are doing that.
Speaker 1: Even for you are I'll say with Cup two last
Speaker 1: three years, nine games, twelve games games, No, he's been
Speaker 1: banged up. That's a guy you worry about being her production.
Speaker 2: Is in his in his advanced metrics have catered like
Speaker 2: or cretered. Excuse me, like he's not He's not the
Speaker 2: guy he was anymore. He's not.
Speaker 1: I know. It's you're making valid points.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't hate if they added one of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna if they signed one
Speaker 1: of them, I would say that I should have had
Speaker 1: the other. Right, I think you can make a case
Speaker 1: for both of them. It's just sort of what you're
Speaker 1: looking for, what you value in that signing.
Speaker 2: All I'm making the case for because I agree with
Speaker 2: that last point that you just made. All I'm making
Speaker 2: the case for is that a team like the Patriots
Speaker 2: has to take a fire on one of these guys.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm making the case for. Take a fire
Speaker 2: on one of them. At best, maybe you strike gold
Speaker 2: and Steffan Diggs ends up going back to Buffalo. Stefan Diggs,
Speaker 2: it is a great player for you. At worst, you
Speaker 2: have a veteran adult in the room, been there, done
Speaker 2: it at a high level who can maybe be like
Speaker 2: a wide receiver two for a year or two and
Speaker 2: teach some of the young guys and bring them along.
Speaker 1: Can you have a receiver in the draft that your
Speaker 1: comp was Diggs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Matthew Golden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, draft Matthew Golden, So Digs he can teach them.
Speaker 2: So here's my other takeout wide receiver. I am coming
Speaker 2: more and more to the to terms the wrong word,
Speaker 2: but like around to considering a offensive skill player at
Speaker 2: four overall on this drift because two things. One, I
Speaker 2: can't get that quote from Vrabel out of my head
Speaker 2: from the combine when we had the Yeah press conference
Speaker 2: scrum and he mentioned that like a lot of the
Speaker 2: time at that position, you have to draft your own Yep.
Speaker 2: I can't get that out of my head. Like he's right,
Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to have somebody gift them
Speaker 2: a wide receiver one right, I hate that term. But
Speaker 2: they're not gonna a top wide receiver, right, They're not
Speaker 2: gonna gift him to you, Okay. And those guys don't
Speaker 2: want to come here, like you can't get them to
Speaker 2: come here. I don't know what the exact number was,
Speaker 2: but they tried to aggressively pursue Gris God would and
Speaker 2: pry him out of Tampa, and he took less money
Speaker 2: to not come here, significantly less. Dk Metcalf I don't
Speaker 2: think was ever seriously considering a trade to the Patriot.
Speaker 1: Sounds like they weren't considering it either.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that that was I don't think
Speaker 2: he was taking your money. Brandon Ayuk wouldn't take your money.
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley wouldn't take your money last year. So all
Speaker 2: these players are telling you it's just not a desirable
Speaker 2: enough situation yet to land in New England. It just
Speaker 2: isn't so what I would consider at four overall. If
Speaker 2: it has to be four overall, we're talking Ted McMillan,
Speaker 2: we're talking Tyler Warren. I don't think we're talking Matthew
Speaker 2: Golden like I think that's really rich for Matthew Golden,
Speaker 2: but he's getting a lot of you know, top receiver
Speaker 2: in this class wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Cling for Golden. Let's say you can trade down, you
Speaker 1: trade down to ten. You're taking Golden at ten?
Speaker 2: I might. Yeah, So I think we're talking those guys.
Speaker 2: And because they made me yesterday, I'll put gent in
Speaker 2: there too, like you do have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can put them at the bottom of list.
Speaker 1: How about this one though, Let's say they don't sign
Speaker 1: the left tackle. Let's say they don't sign Cam Robinson,
Speaker 1: and I don't feel great about, you know, any of
Speaker 1: the other guys that are out there being a definitive answer.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're competing with Darien Lowe and they win the job,
Speaker 1: but they're not a definitive answer. After all of this, Yes,
Speaker 1: after this, this whole freaking cycle, and I'm going back
Speaker 1: to August when we were doing shows in that other
Speaker 1: room when they were building the studio, right, Yeah, after
Speaker 1: all this, is there a chance we come back around
Speaker 1: to the conversation turning into Will Campbell versus Tat McMillan.
Speaker 2: I really am after all of this.
Speaker 1: That was the two guys we said, it's either gonna
Speaker 1: be the top left tackle in the draft, or the
Speaker 1: top wide receiver in the draft. Those two were in.
Speaker 1: This is assuming Carter and Hunter off the board. Those
Speaker 1: were the two guys we were looking at at the
Speaker 1: top of those respective positions. There's been some reporting that
Speaker 1: the Patriots may still see Campbell as a tackle. To
Speaker 1: your point, Mike Rabel said that thing about the wide receiver.
Speaker 1: If McMillan's at the top of their board. We went
Speaker 1: through Abdol Carter, we went through Travis Hunter, We went
Speaker 1: through this weird phase where they were definitely trading down.
Speaker 1: Then it was you know, well.
Speaker 2: Maybe this or maybe that six weeks ago. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying, is there a chance that by
Speaker 1: the end of this, because we're gonna do Ted McMillan
Speaker 1: and Matthew Golden and Tyler Warren and Ashton Genty right now,
Speaker 1: by the end of this, do we end up back
Speaker 1: where we started at August, where it's Will Campbell, Ted McMillan,
Speaker 1: who's your guy? And that's the conversation.
Speaker 2: I feel like this happens every year. I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: we're not. When they were picking lower we could really know,
Speaker 2: but like we did this last year, Like we all
Speaker 2: came out of the gate and said quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,
Speaker 2: and then you know, everybody started to talk themselves out
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks and then.
Speaker 1: Not all of us, not all of us. But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying this was a pretty consensus around them.
Speaker 2: You know, consensus for the most part too. Like, obviously
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter would be the dream in this scenario that
Speaker 2: I'm I'm picturing right now as as your top wide receiver.
Speaker 2: But like when you look at that group, I think
Speaker 2: it's it's a real strong consideration. You're not going to
Speaker 2: get Abdul Carter, right, I think that's a that's an
Speaker 2: absolute pipe dream.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: There's not a Joe Alt tackle in this draft. You know,
Speaker 2: Will Campbell at four to be an absolutely gigantic arm
Speaker 2: length wingspan outlier. Yeah, is a risky proposition. And my
Speaker 2: point being with like, let's just say it's Tech McMillan,
Speaker 2: because I think he's probably the best player out out
Speaker 2: of this group to fit this this argument besides Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: With Tep McMillan. Okay, so let's say Tep McMillan is
Speaker 2: really only should really be cast as as a second
Speaker 2: wide receiver right, like he's.
Speaker 1: Just let's say he's Drake London. We'll go back to sure.
Speaker 2: Liket's say he's Drake London. Is say it's T Higgins,
Speaker 2: like he's a he's a wide receiver too. Really, well,
Speaker 2: if you're that much better in twenty five and he's
Speaker 2: a really good player in twenty five, now in twenty six,
Speaker 2: like you might be able to get DK Metcalf, you
Speaker 2: might be able to get that true number one.
Speaker 1: The Bengals got Higgins before they got chased, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to have that timeline right right, that's a ssue what
Speaker 1: you're saying.
Speaker 2: Great point, right, like maybe your order operations isn't perfect,
Speaker 2: but you just put a good enough product, Like you
Speaker 2: get to that floor where you put a good enough
Speaker 2: product on the field. Next year, Drake may takes those
Speaker 2: next steps where now all of a sudden, in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, you are a wide receiver destination and also.
Speaker 1: What looks like a mutt in long way out but
Speaker 1: what looks like a much better wide receiver track.
Speaker 2: Sure, or you know someone comes free and via trade
Speaker 2: again or or free agency again, probably trade and now
Speaker 2: that player wants to come here, So I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: even need Ted McMillan to be the answer to all
Speaker 2: the problems. He might just be a step towards the end.
Speaker 1: But are you okay taking that guy at four? I
Speaker 1: think there'd be people saying, well, if you take the
Speaker 1: guy at four, he should be the guy at the
Speaker 1: top the depth truck.
Speaker 2: But he still has a chance to be that. I
Speaker 2: still think he has a ceiling that could be that.
Speaker 2: But my point being is that it's not this end
Speaker 2: of the world scenario if he's not that, Like, if
Speaker 2: he's not that, then at least you still have a
Speaker 2: really good high end wide receiver too, And in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six you go for the big fit should get Like,
Speaker 2: what's so wrong with that scenario? Like why is that
Speaker 2: such a bad?
Speaker 1: Hell? I don't hate that.
Speaker 2: And the last thing I would just say about it
Speaker 2: at the top of the draft is that I don't
Speaker 2: see a lot of separation between these players, Like if
Speaker 2: you throw Teed McMillan, Mason Graham, Will Campbell, mikel Williams,
Speaker 2: Jalon Walker, Tyler Warren, like, I don't see the talent
Speaker 2: level being all that different across these players. And I
Speaker 2: keep saying the same thing, like this is gonna be
Speaker 2: as much about fit for each individual team as it's
Speaker 2: gonna be best player available. It's so easy to sit
Speaker 2: here and just say, just draft the best player on
Speaker 2: your board. This year's there's not gonna be a lot
Speaker 2: of separation between these guys. There's not gonna be that. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know, this guy's a blue chip prospect and this
Speaker 2: guy isn't. Like that doesn't exist in this draft. Pass
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. So if I can easily
Speaker 2: tell you that Travis or that Teed McMillan is going
Speaker 2: to be as good of a player as Mason, like,
Speaker 2: I think that that's an easy thing to pitch. So
Speaker 2: I'm coming around to that because of what Rabel said
Speaker 2: at the combine. I'm coming around to it because it
Speaker 2: just what's the best pick for the football team might
Speaker 2: be that, And just to finish that take, when we
Speaker 2: get into the left tackle conversation, I don't hate the
Speaker 2: idea of trading back up into the back end of
Speaker 2: the first round to get the next wave of tackles, right,
Speaker 2: Get Josh Connerly, get a Josh Simmons. Maybe at that point,
Speaker 2: if you sign somebody in free agency like Cam Robinson
Speaker 2: on a bridge contract that could make some sense. Arianti Ursery, right,
Speaker 2: might start to make sense now at the top of
Speaker 2: the second or late first, like, there are options like
Speaker 2: that in this draft in that twenty to forty range
Speaker 2: that you can still come out of the draft with
Speaker 2: a guy that can play the left side, that has
Speaker 2: the upside to be a starting caliber left tackle. So
Speaker 2: it's not like you're completely missing out on the tackle either,
Speaker 2: Like would you In my mind, I'm just getting to
Speaker 2: the point now where you know, I've kind of written
Speaker 2: off Will Campbell as a guard, Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: that it's a.
Speaker 1: Why huge choice they have. That was more the point
Speaker 1: I was making with the full circle regardless of what
Speaker 1: we maybe, do you think they've written him off?
Speaker 2: Yes, I go inside information, Yeah, I just I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think that they would take a complete outlier at
Speaker 2: four overall, right now, I don't think this regime has
Speaker 2: enough built up like Cachet to take that kind of
Speaker 2: pick and have him turn out to be a guard,
Speaker 2: right and have it turned out to work that out
Speaker 2: that way for them. So would you rather, and this
Speaker 2: is the draft, would you rather? Tet McMillan, and let's
Speaker 2: just call it because I think it's the most realistic
Speaker 2: in terms of not trading all around the board Tech
Speaker 2: McMillan and Arianta Ursery or Will Campbell and insert you
Speaker 2: know day two wide receiver here, Jayden Higgins.
Speaker 1: Jaden Higgins. Sure, probably McMillan a Nursery.
Speaker 2: That's just the way I'm leaning right now, because I
Speaker 2: at least I know those two guys are built to
Speaker 2: play the positions we're going to try to play a
Speaker 2: man right like you and you're not trying to put
Speaker 2: a guard at tackle or you know, a right tackle
Speaker 2: at left tackle or a left tackle at right tackle
Speaker 2: like everybody ten. McMillan's an x arionte Ersery is a
Speaker 2: left tackle, yes, and we're not messing around, and neither
Speaker 2: of them are.
Speaker 1: Hurt, and neither of them are like they're just they're
Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, high floor picks. That's essentially what
Speaker 1: you're campaigning for here, high floor picks. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: and then well, Ursery is the ceiling guy. I don't
Speaker 1: want to put Ursery in that like he's not a
Speaker 1: floor guy, but in the way you're phrasing it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what they need, right now right,
Speaker 1: there a third one in there for you. Sure, there's
Speaker 1: a little more maneuvering on the board, but this is
Speaker 1: like the trade down trade up thing. Yeah, Matthew Golden,
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, Yeah, yeah, and I I know, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying like that or McMillan a nursery.
Speaker 2: So here's my my other part of this take, right,
Speaker 2: I'm also coming around to Obviously, Cam Robinson is not
Speaker 2: having the market Cam Robinson was expecting to have. If
Speaker 2: there was an offer out there for Cam Robinson for
Speaker 2: three for sixty, he would be signed already right like that,
Speaker 2: that would be done. So his market is maybe lukewarm.
Speaker 2: And I know that there's been some reporting. I think
Speaker 2: Breer added that there's some concern about motivation and just
Speaker 2: effort and all those kinds of things with Cam Robinson.
Speaker 2: So is it and I'm just kind of facilitating here,
Speaker 2: is it a good scenario for the Patriots too? Maybe
Speaker 2: you signed Cam robinsonto a one year deal that is
Speaker 2: basically the deal that the Jets gave Tyron Smith last year.
Speaker 2: It's one for like fifteen.
Speaker 1: Issues significant money, but just for one year.
Speaker 2: And it's incentive laden. And at that point you at
Speaker 2: least again have a player on the roster that has
Speaker 2: played left tackle in the NFL at a starting caliber level.
Speaker 2: And now you can draft Josh Simmons, where now you
Speaker 2: can draft the high ups.
Speaker 1: You have to get Robinson to take the contract.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I'm just saying that now that it.
Speaker 1: Would open that up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I know, I've been very anti them drafting Josh Simmons.
Speaker 1: If he's not the first player they take and they
Speaker 1: get a guy like Cam Robinson on the roster, I
Speaker 1: don't know that it would be my favorite pick, But
Speaker 1: it makes a lot more sense now.
Speaker 2: That that's another logical scenario for them. Yeah, because right
Speaker 2: now the lev tackles in free agency, it's Cam Robinson.
Speaker 1: It's right, Like I know so many people like Jedrick Wills.
Speaker 1: Just the way it ended last year in Cleveland, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that's the kind of guy they're looking to add. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe you could say Robinson isn't neither, but Robinson's a
Speaker 1: much more proven player, right.
Speaker 2: So I think it's Robinson or busting free agency. If
Speaker 2: I'm going to invest in Robinson again, I'm thinking of
Speaker 2: one year deal, high money, high guarantee. It resets his value.
Speaker 2: It gives the Patriots a safety net if their draft
Speaker 2: pick doesn't work out.
Speaker 1: But you also have a draft you also want to
Speaker 1: have a draft pick in the building to push him
Speaker 1: one hundred.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you still absolutely need to draft to a
Speaker 2: left tackle in the top fifty. Like there's guy's not debatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, top one hundred. I'd call it top one, top fifty.
Speaker 1: If you get like Anthony Belton, that's seventy seven. I
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 2: Nope, no, higher disagree then Connerley Ursery, Josh Simmons, one
Speaker 2: of those guys has to be on this roster.
Speaker 1: Just the scenario, Well, we're kind of updating takes post
Speaker 1: for agency, and we're on tackles. Membo, we're done with
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, We're done with arm On Membo. I think, so,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. He's a right tackle. He's a
Speaker 1: good right tackle. Yeah, but he's a right tackle.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's probably only one year for Morgan Moses.
Speaker 1: I'm not using a top ten pick to get a
Speaker 1: future right tackle.
Speaker 2: Like no, And I'm not out on like Ozzy Traprilo.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: If you want to get the next guy right, you draft,
Speaker 2: even the third round and he's the next guy.
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that afore right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I we'll see where Covin Banks ends up. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think he's at Covin Banks is going to settle at
Speaker 2: a top twenty pick. Like, I don't think that he's
Speaker 2: gonna have this fall that some people think that he's
Speaker 2: gonna have. But we'll see where he ends up. You know,
Speaker 2: is there a chance that he I think Amarius Mims
Speaker 2: went twenty last year exactly, Like if he's at twenty, Like,
Speaker 2: can you make that trade? It's eighteen spots, it's a
Speaker 2: big trade, but can you make it happen? Right? And
Speaker 2: maybe you actually get Banks.
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably close to that's pretty close to
Speaker 1: the trade when they moved back and got Dugger, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which was twenty three for I think thirty six and
Speaker 1: seventy one. Yeah, so you throw in like a future
Speaker 1: day three pick. Maybe he gets it done. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would make it. And you're talking about Banks as
Speaker 1: a left.
Speaker 2: Tackle, correct, Yeah, yeah, that could work right, So you know,
Speaker 2: you trade back up into the twenties and you kind
Speaker 2: of put yourself on the board for Banks, potentially Connorly Simmons,
Speaker 2: like all those guys at the back end of the
Speaker 2: first round, I think that that's a viable option as well.
Speaker 2: So that's left tackle, wide and wide receiver when it
Speaker 2: comes to edge. I mean we've kicked some names around already.
Speaker 2: I still think that you need you need somebody kind
Speaker 2: of a similarly, you know, talking about safety nets like
Speaker 2: I don't know if Harold Landry has the juice anymore
Speaker 2: to be a really good, you know, third down pass
Speaker 2: rusher like I does. The metrics aren't good. They're not
Speaker 2: friendly to him right now in terms of that, So
Speaker 2: maybe he's not that guy anymore. So you might actually
Speaker 2: have to be taking some of these guys off the field,
Speaker 2: like you might still be a little bit situational with
Speaker 2: your rushers, So you need another really good pass rusher
Speaker 2: off the edge. We mentioned free safety, so we kind
Speaker 2: of threw out names already for those two positions into
Speaker 2: your offensive line. Still a big need to me, I
Speaker 2: am not counting on Robinson so and Strange Nope or better,
Speaker 2: they can compete. I mean, I think they're good, and
Speaker 2: I think at least like Ben Brown, he's your backup center.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good situation. But I'm not having those
Speaker 1: eyes and starting roles without competition, No like it.
Speaker 2: Right now, if they had to play a game tomorrow,
Speaker 2: they still have a Darian little left tackle, which is
Speaker 2: not well.
Speaker 1: They don't have play game tomorrow, thankfully.
Speaker 2: Right but just to play out the exercise, they still
Speaker 2: have a Darian little left tackle, which is not okay
Speaker 2: with me like that, that can't be it. And at
Speaker 2: left guard they're still at you know, Leyden Robinson, Cole
Speaker 2: Strange City, so competing. I would just like to see
Speaker 2: the mat A veteran body there, you know, Josh Myers
Speaker 2: is a center up pure center from Green Bay. He's
Speaker 2: out there still. I watched a little bit of Tevin
Speaker 2: Jenkins yesterday. I didn't think he moved very well last year.
Speaker 2: Looks injured. I don't know. There's potentially chronic back issues
Speaker 2: there with Tevin Jenkins, which would worry me right in
Speaker 2: terms of his mobility. Uh so that would be maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit concerning. And then a lot of the
Speaker 2: other guys are are our right guards by trade, you know,
Speaker 2: Kevin Zeitler's of the world, like those guys all are
Speaker 2: right guards. But I still think that there's there's another
Speaker 2: option there. Maybe it's a true center. Maybe it's it's
Speaker 2: Jenkins to play the left guard spot. Uh. The one
Speaker 2: that I would really now strongly consider is McKai Becton.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the guy Becton at left guard would
Speaker 2: be perfectly fine. I really like the idea becked that
Speaker 2: he might make a little bit too much money for
Speaker 2: what they're willing to spend there. Uh, but I think
Speaker 2: that McKay Beckton is what exactly what I'm looking for, right, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, you've said it now, like you're that he's
Speaker 2: your left guard going into next season. So those are
Speaker 2: the spots or anybody else that that I didn't mention
Speaker 2: that are worth mentioning before we go back? Agen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's available. Any nobody else that stands out to you?
Speaker 1: I think that's it all right.
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Speaker 2: minutes here at all about you guys. We got a
Speaker 2: bunch of emails, We got people on the phones, So
Speaker 2: you guys are going to close us out here. Randy
Speaker 2: is in Providence. What's up, Brandy?
Speaker 7: Hey? So, a couple of names I was thinking about
Speaker 7: in the draft after a free agency late like day two,
Speaker 7: maybe early day three, like aneas People's ty Robinson, Omar
Speaker 7: Norman Lock guys at interior pass rushers, to like kind
Speaker 7: of build up that spot in case Barmore doesn't come back.
Speaker 7: Also Ola Daho, who is a great run stopper on
Speaker 7: the edge. I also wanted to say Jaden Higgins in
Speaker 7: the second round, right you said? Mike Brabel said you
Speaker 7: need to draft those guys. He drafted aj Brown in
Speaker 7: the second round. He didn't take him top five. I
Speaker 7: think Ted McMillan's vastly overrated. But I also wanted to
Speaker 7: ask you guys, because you guys were at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 7: right both of you.
Speaker 1: Evan was yep.
Speaker 7: Okay, So I had heard a report. I don't remember
Speaker 7: exactly where it was, but I heard somebody that was
Speaker 7: there saying like it was kind of like a worst
Speaker 7: kept secret sort of thing that Mike Rabel and staff
Speaker 7: were absolutely in love with Will Campbell. Like thought he
Speaker 7: was the best player in the draft, would take him
Speaker 7: number one to play left tackle, didn't care about his
Speaker 7: arm length, et cetera, et cetera. Mike Rabel, Now, I
Speaker 7: haven't met the man. I'm not friends with the man,
Speaker 7: but he just everything that I see he does in
Speaker 7: terms of hiring, in terms of what I've heard reported
Speaker 7: about him, is that, you know, he's kind of a
Speaker 7: very loyal and maybe sometimes a little stubborn guy. And
Speaker 7: I just wouldn't be surprised and maybe that was the
Speaker 7: plan given everything that they haven't done at left tackle
Speaker 7: and free agency you got did you hear that at
Speaker 7: all at senior ball? Did you get that impression? Do
Speaker 7: you think that could be the plan? And then what
Speaker 7: do you think about Jaden Higgins in the second round,
Speaker 7: because I think he's the best wide receiver prospect in
Speaker 7: this draft personally, he's got better physical tooln't a comparable
Speaker 7: production in a comparable situation.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Randy appreciated. I didn't hear any
Speaker 2: anything that definitive on Will Campbell. There's been a lot
Speaker 2: of reporting that the Patriots weren't overly caught up in
Speaker 2: the arm length stuff, right, Like I we have heard
Speaker 2: that from multiple outlets.
Speaker 1: I'm right or wrong. I still think that there's maybe
Speaker 1: a chance that they view Will Camberl in certain situations
Speaker 1: as a tackle. I'm not totally writing that off.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not totally writing it off. I don't think
Speaker 2: that they're that they were that set in anything.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that strong, especially like.
Speaker 2: To have that early, to have it that set in
Speaker 2: January is pretty unrealistic to me, especially if they have
Speaker 2: been on the job for like a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: at that point. Like, I just can't imagine that they
Speaker 2: have had enough intel to be that dead set on
Speaker 2: anybody in this draft. Now that being said, I would
Speaker 2: be absolutely floored if they had Will Campbell rated higher
Speaker 2: than Travis Hunter like they have been. There's been reports.
Speaker 2: We had Elliott Wolf on our draft podcast at the
Speaker 2: Combine really excited about Travis Hunter. Like, I would be
Speaker 2: absolutely shocked if they think that Travis that Will Campbell
Speaker 2: is a better prospect than Travis Hunter, just from everything
Speaker 2: that we've heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But all I'm saying is I'm not closing the
Speaker 1: door on the idea that they view Will Campbell as
Speaker 1: a tackle.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not closing any doors to his point about
Speaker 2: Jaden Higgins. I'm a big Jaden Niggins fan. I think
Speaker 2: he plays slower than he tested. I don't think he
Speaker 2: necessarily runs as well as I like that forty booty away.
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be mid four five's.
Speaker 2: He was four four seven. I did not expect that
Speaker 2: kind of speed out of him. He doesn't play to
Speaker 2: that speed on tape. I'm usually a guy that is
Speaker 2: a tape over combine forty time type of guy, like
Speaker 2: I try to trust it and trust my eye in
Speaker 2: that sense. When I watched Jaden Higgins on tape, I
Speaker 2: thought more crafty than athlete. You know, explosiveness his combine
Speaker 2: blew me away. I mean he was a great athlete
Speaker 2: in terms of the testing. Yeah, and all walks, you know, agility.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he did those, but explosiveness forty
Speaker 2: times size like had it all. He to me is
Speaker 2: more you know the guy that I would comp Jaden
Speaker 2: Higgins too, is like a Michael Pittman in HINDI, where
Speaker 2: like he's big bodied so he can win some of
Speaker 2: those jump balls down the field. But he's really a
Speaker 2: possession receiver. He's really a first and second level receiver.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, like I like Jaden Higgins. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that I think he's a bad prospect. I actually one
Speaker 2: thing that Randy said that he thought that Teed McMillan
Speaker 2: is very overrated. I think we've gone too far in
Speaker 2: that direction with Tet McMillan. Yeah, I think we have
Speaker 2: now underrated Teed McMillan because everybody is saying that he
Speaker 2: was overrated to begin with. I've said time and time
Speaker 2: again that he isn't a Marvin Harrison Molik Neighbors Roma
Speaker 2: Dunees a level prospect. He never was and he never
Speaker 2: is going to be. I would probably have him in
Speaker 2: that conversation in that next wave of last year's class
Speaker 2: with like Brian Thomas Junior and Xavier Worthy and those
Speaker 2: types of players. He's not Marvin Harrison Junior. He's not
Speaker 2: Leak Neighbors. But now I feel like we've gone the
Speaker 2: other direction where like he's he's stiff, and you know,
Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins, who's gonna go on day two and Ted's
Speaker 2: gonna go day one, is actually a better player, like,
Speaker 2: I think that's we're getting a little crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you. He's still a good player.
Speaker 1: He's just not We've had how many years of these
Speaker 1: generational wide receiver generational I should say in air quotes
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospects. If they're coming every year, they're not generational.
Speaker 1: And now this year he's just not quite that guy.
Speaker 1: Sobody thinks he sucks.
Speaker 2: You have to be realistic about what you're getting. You're
Speaker 2: not getting a field stretcher. You're getting a guy that's
Speaker 2: gonna win with size and fluidity and and you know,
Speaker 2: snappy at the top of the route at the first
Speaker 2: and second level.
Speaker 1: He's he's not He's not Harry Like. I think that's
Speaker 1: what so many people are.
Speaker 2: Definitely a different player.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, this is a weird question.
Speaker 1: If what is the comp for Teed McMillan if he's
Speaker 1: a bust right, because it's not if he busts, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna bust in the way Nikill Hary did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like what is maybe to get people to
Speaker 1: understand this a little more like right ceiling middle floor comps? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I don't. Drake London is not t Higgins is probably
Speaker 1: the ceiling comp.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Drake lenn had a
Speaker 2: great year last.
Speaker 1: Drake London is the mid, he's middle to high middle.
Speaker 1: Who is the basement bust comp for tech McMillan. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's Nakhill Harry.
Speaker 2: I have to think about that. I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: I don't have a great one off the top of
Speaker 2: my head. You know, big body receiver that just can't
Speaker 2: get open would be it would be the game.
Speaker 1: Well, but people would tell you that's Nakhill Harry.
Speaker 2: But but Nikhil Harry was stiff, like to kill Harry
Speaker 2: was robot. Nikhil Harry had too right, He's still like,
Speaker 2: that's not Teed McMillan.
Speaker 1: Even if you drat, even if he's a bus, he's
Speaker 1: still gonna have his physical traits.
Speaker 2: TEP McMillan is just not super fast. I don't know,
Speaker 2: was it Quentin Johnson? No, Quentin Johnson's fast. Quentin Johnson's
Speaker 2: an explosive guy. He just can't catch.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of looking back through. Oh, well, think
Speaker 1: about it. I'll think about that. Bet john Dotson.
Speaker 2: No, not big enough.
Speaker 1: Not Cadarius Tony. I'm looking at like previous high draft
Speaker 1: pick bus not Jalen Rager, Laviskas.
Speaker 2: Chanal, No, Laviskas. Hlt's like Corkal pattern.
Speaker 1: Oh, Chase Claypool.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's not a bad one. Chase Coople was a
Speaker 2: great athlete, though Chase Claypole could fly.
Speaker 1: I I always thought that forty was kind of like
Speaker 1: you said about Higgins, like was he really that fast?
Speaker 2: He was a good athlete, had a really good rook here.
Speaker 1: Cory Davis.
Speaker 2: Not terrible. But no, let's think about it. Let's get
Speaker 2: back to the phones, and we'll think about Will Fuller. Uh,
Speaker 2: Kendall's in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?
Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I want to know.
Speaker 4: There's two quarterbacks to go four this year? And if
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson goes to the Giants, do you think they
Speaker 4: have still go quarterback?
Speaker 2: If Russell Wilson goes to the Giants? Uh, thanks for
Speaker 2: the call, Candle. If the Giants signed Russell Wilson or
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, I think they're out on quarterback at three.
Speaker 1: If they signed Aaron Rodgers, definitely. If cam Ward gets
Speaker 1: to three, does Brian Dave All look at it and say,
Speaker 1: all right, I have Russ for a year or two,
Speaker 1: and now I have my next guy in the pipeline
Speaker 1: that wouldn't surprise me. He's he's a quarterbacks guy. And
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson does see he went through that all justin
Speaker 1: fields last year. Russell Wilson, I think, is the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that might actually mentor the next guy. Rodgers
Speaker 1: isn't doing that. Rodgers isn't gonna let you draft quarterback
Speaker 1: at three. That's out the window. I could see them
Speaker 1: double dipping if it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: I think the only reason why I why I I
Speaker 2: guess they could teams like the Giants or Cleveland if
Speaker 2: they signed a Wilson or Rodgers could buck trends. Is
Speaker 2: because of your boy, Michael Pennock, right, like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: the Falcons draft Michael Pennix and it ends up working out,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not the exact way that they wanted
Speaker 2: it to, but it worked, but it worked because you know,
Speaker 2: really all the other things with the trends, like Shaudre
Speaker 2: Sanders and cam Ward are older, like they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're they've been in college for a while. Shouldur obviously transferred.
Speaker 2: You know, cam Ward is is another four or five
Speaker 2: year starter school.
Speaker 5: I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah so he they both are are twenty four.
Speaker 1: I want to say they're not that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: they are now so but yeah, like the Michael Pennock
Speaker 1: situation is not a bad copy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Cam Ward will turn twenty three in May. Okay, so
Speaker 1: he's going to be twenty four, twenty three year old rookie.
Speaker 1: Yeah you should just turned twenty three. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think was that old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always that.
Speaker 1: I forgot he's a Jackson State for two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackson ar State.
Speaker 1: So he's at Jackson State, but I thought only for
Speaker 1: a year.
Speaker 2: So they're older prospects. And I the only reason why
Speaker 2: I bring that up because your boy Penis is kind
Speaker 2: of thrown that like it doesn't matter, right.
Speaker 1: Well, you got Michael Pennicks a baller, Like, let's not
Speaker 1: forget that. Yeah, the guy can I take Panics over
Speaker 1: ward or Sanders under.
Speaker 2: But my point being with the age thing is actually
Speaker 2: more that, especially in Shador's case, I think there's still
Speaker 2: room to grow for cam Ward because he's toolsy enough
Speaker 2: that I could see more upside there with the with
Speaker 2: coaching and everything, I kind of feel like Shador is Shador,
Speaker 2: Like I, he's sort of a floor quarterback to me,
Speaker 2: Like I I, I don't necessarily look at Shador and
Speaker 2: and see like a ton of physical upside there for
Speaker 2: him as a player, Like I think that he's going
Speaker 2: to be a guy that could probably start in the
Speaker 2: league next year and and be a functional game management manager.
Speaker 2: I think he's in that same category.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because the line was so bad at Colorado,
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe some room for him to grow there.
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that Shador is going to take these massive leaps in
Speaker 1: the NFL, is my point. I'm with you there.
Speaker 2: So like if you're a team like the Giants or
Speaker 2: the Browns and you draft Shador and now you sign
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, so at least for a year, you're gonna
Speaker 2: sit a door on the bench for another year, Like,
Speaker 2: I just don't see why you why bother again.
Speaker 1: I think you look what happened with the Falcons. You
Speaker 1: sign one of these veteran quarterbacks, a guy who is
Speaker 1: on the back end, and you want to be ready
Speaker 1: if he drops off.
Speaker 2: I'm just having a tough time imagining it's.
Speaker 1: Not gonna It's not gonna happen with Rogers because Rodgers
Speaker 1: won't let it happen. I just feel like I think
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson could happen. Yeah, it's a copycat league. Wait, hang,
Speaker 1: I got a couple more receiver bus for you.
Speaker 2: I just think it's it's a copycat league and that
Speaker 2: might change things. But to your point about Penis being good,
Speaker 2: like Pennix might have just been so good that the
Speaker 2: Falcons looked at it and were like, we can't pass
Speaker 2: on this, trying to.
Speaker 1: Tell people you can get them with the second row.
Speaker 1: I will never stop with that victory. This is not
Speaker 1: the point of the only one that's gonna be would
Speaker 1: have been bigger is that the Vikings had signed a quarterback.
Speaker 2: But right, like Penix was so good that they you
Speaker 2: could maybe make that case. I don't think you can
Speaker 2: make that case with cam warden Shador. Like if you're
Speaker 2: a drafted I think you can make it for Kim
Speaker 2: Warrdon if you're drafting one of those two guys and
Speaker 2: you really have to believe in that guy, right and
Speaker 2: like putting him on the bench for a year.
Speaker 1: I just well, I think some of it is too.
Speaker 1: Like Kirk Cousins got that massive contract, right, he was
Speaker 1: signed to be a definitive starter. Is Russell Wilson gonna
Speaker 1: get that kind of money? Is Russell Wilson gonna have
Speaker 1: that kind of job security?
Speaker 2: I don't know. No, he's not. He's not.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a It's not like you're coming
Speaker 1: down from where from where Cousins was to. If we're
Speaker 1: gonna comport to the Falcons, hang, I cut more receivers
Speaker 1: from Okay, So this is again, if Teed McMillan is
Speaker 1: a bust, what is his comp because we don't think
Speaker 1: it's to kill harryt Okay, Will Fuller, no, Kevin White, No,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna give you one more. This is
Speaker 1: super weird because people like this guy, but he's maybe
Speaker 1: the most overrated wide receiver of his arrow because he
Speaker 1: had one good year, two good years Michael Thomas. But like,
Speaker 1: is Teed McMillan like post twenty nineteen Michael Thomas closer?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: Because Michael Thomas was really good at running slant routes
Speaker 1: and then that was kind of it, and teams basically
Speaker 1: figured out how to counter it, and they got hurt.
Speaker 1: So because Tep McMillan is big, but he's also kind
Speaker 1: of that guy where he's gonna be exposed a lot
Speaker 1: to big hits because of his size.
Speaker 2: Closer, Okay, that's probably your closest one yet, honestly, you.
Speaker 1: Could make you can make an argument in Ted McMillan's
Speaker 1: ceiling middle Floor are a Michael Thomas. So I just
Speaker 1: different stages of Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2: I actually thought when I was doing comps for all
Speaker 2: the receivers, I actually thought of Michael Thomas with Jaden Higgins,
Speaker 2: you know, like a guy that I think is gonna
Speaker 2: really win at the first and second level and not
Speaker 2: running by anybody and kind of be a slam boy
Speaker 2: and like all that kind of stuff. I kind of
Speaker 2: thought of that with Jayden Niggins, And I guess Jaden
Speaker 2: Higgins is kind of day to teed McMillon. So maybe
Speaker 2: like washed Michael Thomas is, like how he he is
Speaker 2: a complete bust? All Right, That was a long way
Speaker 2: to get to that point.
Speaker 1: Saint should have kept Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2: Uh, Mike is in Virginia. What's up, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike?
Speaker 2: All Right, Mike, Sorry about that. If you if you're
Speaker 2: still there a callback in Eldred, what's going on Eldred?
Speaker 8: Hey, Evan, Alex, how y'all doing? Uhh? I think t
Speaker 8: mac gonna surprise all of y'all. But if you come
Speaker 8: with a buff, I'm coming with LaQuan Treadmill.
Speaker 4: Fred will uh used to be the Vices, then he.
Speaker 8: Went to the I think he went to the Steelers.
Speaker 2: Yeah six four. He's just like he was a raw
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah he also wasn't the mover that mcmillany.
Speaker 2: But yeah, big body receiver. You're on the right track.
Speaker 8: Yeah. My question is this, Uh, I got two questions
Speaker 8: for you. Why ain't about talking about James Pearce as
Speaker 8: a edge rusher because to me, doing that combine to
Speaker 8: remind me of Gunzo Smooth everything you know, had a
Speaker 8: good a good combine and all that. And then the
Speaker 8: other one is uh Dante Thornton Jr. And Uh, I
Speaker 8: know you talked about him earlier, but but experience, he
Speaker 8: is sad to speed. He could he could play against
Speaker 8: man Press. Don's stay still over the top. This weakness
Speaker 8: just kind of slows him down with debt. Other than that,
Speaker 8: he's good to get hand fighting, and he's good against
Speaker 8: man coverage, and he is a six to four, four
Speaker 8: to three receiver and they ain't got him lifted into
Speaker 8: what round five? Round six?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, thanks take it off there, Thanks elder buddy,
Speaker 2: have a good one. Thanks for the cause always. Uh.
Speaker 2: James Pearce is an interesting prospect. He was one of
Speaker 2: the he was like a top five pick at one
Speaker 2: point in this draft, right, like he was projected to
Speaker 2: go super super high. James Pearce. Yeah, and then he
Speaker 2: had kind of a rough year, not a rough year,
Speaker 2: but just not the year that people were expecting at
Speaker 2: Tennessee this past year. And Uh, to me, when I
Speaker 2: see James Pearce, I think he's a very linear rusher,
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't have a lot of agility or change
Speaker 2: of direction to really challenge inside and outside. He's kind
Speaker 2: of just like a speed to power, I'm gonna run
Speaker 2: into the tackle and I hope I I kind of
Speaker 2: make it work type of guy. I think he's raw,
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's got a great like mobility, right,
Speaker 2: you know, like ankle bend and hit fluidity and those
Speaker 2: types of things that usually lend himself to a really
Speaker 2: high sap production at the next level, Like, could he
Speaker 2: be a pocket pusher, disruptor, you know, drop him into coverage. Hey,
Speaker 2: look it's you uh to drop him into coverage like
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Yeah, Like I think that he
Speaker 2: could be that guy, but I didn't see a lot
Speaker 2: of bend in a lot of twitch to his movements,
Speaker 2: which would worry me a little bit with him. But
Speaker 2: like if he has like a draft day weekend fall
Speaker 2: and he somehow finds his way to the second round,
Speaker 2: which I think is crazy, but maybe, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: saying like completely rulling him out as a Day two
Speaker 2: guy for the Patriots, but I don't think he's in
Speaker 2: the conversation to be a top ten pick anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have He's a guy that has one
Speaker 1: elite tool, but he doesn't have a lot of tools. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that one tool is excellent, but he doesn't much
Speaker 1: beyond that. He's not a first round pick in most drafts.
Speaker 1: He is kind of that Josh Ucha sort of player
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about. It's part of the reason
Speaker 1: he fell was like he came into the year with
Speaker 1: a lot of expectation and he because he had such
Speaker 1: a strong twenty twenty three. He played well in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, he didn't necessarily get better. He didn't stro
Speaker 1: anything new. Yeah, and I think that's what has teams concerned.
Speaker 1: So if you're somebody that believes in just kind of
Speaker 1: the true speed rusher, yeah he has some value, but
Speaker 1: he's not much more than that. And because he didn't develop,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a quick teams have to ask himselves, now,
Speaker 1: why didn't he develop? Is this all he's gonna end
Speaker 1: up being?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. And then the Taekwon Thornton two point
Speaker 2: zero receiver that he mentioned.
Speaker 1: Who was I couldn't hear him.
Speaker 2: I think his last name is really literally Thorton, right,
Speaker 2: Dante Thorston junior. Yeah, but I mean he's like a
Speaker 2: six foot three string being fourth fast, fast, and yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why that's why he was going. You know why
Speaker 2: he's not projected higher on boards right now is because
Speaker 2: he's literally, hey, he's a track meat player. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the type of guy that he is. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a great athlete, a great combine. I would get
Speaker 2: too caught up in forty times with players like that.
Speaker 1: So and I'm so glad I thought of that that's
Speaker 1: going to come in handy for years to come.
Speaker 2: Out here, and yeah, that's always my problem.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you're gonna have to learn to You're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be ready to answer the question when
Speaker 1: you want to hype up one of these guys.
Speaker 2: So the president of Mason Graham's fan club, who is
Speaker 2: Floyd and Redford Michigan, that might.
Speaker 1: Be the for all the free agency stuff, the only
Speaker 1: guy that truly came off the board.
Speaker 2: So so Floyd says that we can't rule out Mason
Speaker 2: Graham because I'm telling you he's Mason Graham's fan.
Speaker 1: That's something I would expect Mason Graha's biggest fancy say.
Speaker 2: He's not ruling out Mason Graham because of Christian Barmore's status,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of his health. There's definitely a
Speaker 2: fair point there that they can't necessarily count on having
Speaker 2: an available Christian Barmore. But I already had concerns about
Speaker 2: Mason Graham holding up at two ninety ninety five as
Speaker 2: it is, and now you want to pair him with
Speaker 2: another guy who weighs two hundred and ninety pounds. I
Speaker 2: just think that that's very, very light in the middle.
Speaker 2: Of your defense.
Speaker 1: It's also are you willing to make your big free
Speaker 1: agency signing and your top draft pick at the same position,
Speaker 1: which is not a premium position. That's a tough sell.
Speaker 1: That's a really tough sell.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's another great point. You know, it's basically redundant
Speaker 2: skill set, same position. Yeah, same type of player, like
Speaker 2: the ways that Milton Williams wins disruptive hands leverage, using
Speaker 2: his like lower center of gravity to get underneath blockers,
Speaker 2: first step of quickness into gaps, instincts, motor I just
Speaker 2: describe Mason Graham. Yeah, so you have now you're gonna
Speaker 2: just have two Mason Grams.
Speaker 1: With Milton Williams, or roughly to Milton Williams.
Speaker 2: Which like there's worse things to have have, but it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of a luxury, not an absolutely necessity. Uh
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's amazing, Graham. It doesn't make me
Speaker 2: feel like a little bit better than maybe that's off
Speaker 2: the board, because you know, I wasn't in love with
Speaker 2: it to.
Speaker 1: Be I always feel I feel bad, like the last
Speaker 1: two years, like the guy I've kind of come out
Speaker 1: is like the no no, no player has been a
Speaker 1: Michigan guy, and people probably think I just hate Michigan,
Speaker 1: like I need Michigan to come through with with the
Speaker 1: guy that I can like really get behind to offset that,
Speaker 1: because it's nothing against Michigan.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take these calls. Uh, Mark is in Connecticut.
Speaker 2: What's up? Mark?
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, always appreciate you guys taking my calls. I
Speaker 6: just had a quick one. If we strike out on
Speaker 6: Cooper Cup Uh to Gooby Myers, what is the prediction
Speaker 6: there of what he would uh what it would take
Speaker 6: to get him in a trade, like you know, round wide?
Speaker 6: What do you guys think on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, thanks for the call. That's a tough one,
Speaker 2: I would say to to project because I don't think
Speaker 2: he's really available. So yeah, you have to make the
Speaker 2: offer to the Raiders that's enticing enough for them to
Speaker 2: actually move him back to the Patriots so.
Speaker 1: They don't need a quarterback anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, So I think that you would have to give
Speaker 2: them a third or fourth round pick, which seems really high. Uh,
Speaker 2: just giving the not necessarily like a knock on Jacoby Myers,
Speaker 2: but just given the way that wide receiver market has
Speaker 2: moved in trades, like a DK Metcalf only got like
Speaker 2: a mid second round pick back, So, like, I just
Speaker 2: in order to make it enticing enough for the Raiders
Speaker 2: to actually trade him, it's gonna have to be something
Speaker 2: worth it. Yeah, and so now I think you're kind
Speaker 2: of overpaying for him.
Speaker 1: Like the moving down from four to six and getting
Speaker 1: like Jacobe in a third round pick like that made
Speaker 1: sense to me, but there's no incentive for the Raiders
Speaker 1: to do that anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: It's it's a tough one. I get why people want
Speaker 1: to back he's a good player, yeah, but I just
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's it.
Speaker 2: If it comes out that he's on the block and
Speaker 2: he can be had, you know, that's different. But if
Speaker 2: you have to actually like aggressively pursue him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not gonna be worth it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, Marvin is in Florida. What's up, Marvin?
Speaker 9: Hey fellows, how you guys doing good? I think is
Speaker 9: why don't we trade Dugger for like maybe a third
Speaker 9: round pick and it will Campbell like pick nine and
Speaker 9: then trade up to get Golden or another top ar
Speaker 9: receiver in the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Marvin. I don't know what
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar's value is really right now. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a third round pick at all.
Speaker 1: That would all be not I also don't think you're
Speaker 1: gonna will Camble at nine, even as a guard. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get at nine.
Speaker 2: I think your great thought. Yeah, I think you're you're
Speaker 2: better off almost if you don't have Dugger in your
Speaker 2: long term plans. I think you're better off him starting
Speaker 2: the season here and hoping that he starts well, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then maybe trading him at the deadline for something.
Speaker 2: But you have to remember, they just paid him, so
Speaker 2: they just gave him a big contract, so now you
Speaker 2: know the team is acquiring the contract as well as
Speaker 2: the player in a trade, and as we've seen across
Speaker 2: the board, when that's the case, you just don't get
Speaker 2: the value in the trade that you may think you would.
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Dugger is unfortunately like kind of like
Speaker 2: not worth anything like of substantial value.
Speaker 1: He's here, he's here for now, and that's just what
Speaker 1: and that's why they need to get a free safety
Speaker 1: so they can play him in the box and let
Speaker 1: him do what he does best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last one here, then we'll wrap it up.
Speaker 2: This is from a concerned fan from Chelsea and he says,
Speaker 2: I'm going insane because for all the discussion around not
Speaker 2: picking a non left tackle at four, no one is
Speaker 2: answering the following question. The answering the follow up question
Speaker 2: of who is going to play left tackle. Before a
Speaker 2: free agency there was the Ronnie Stanley and Cam Robinson
Speaker 2: comp out, but now that's gone and there are no
Speaker 2: severable left tackles left. Well, Cam Robinson's not gone. Uh
Speaker 2: in my mind, you have to gamble at Campbell at
Speaker 2: four if he's a bust and ends up as an
Speaker 2: elite guard. Oh well, so well, Cam Robinson's not gone.
Speaker 2: First of all. Yeah, I think what you have to weigh,
Speaker 2: And we talked about this earlier because I think this
Speaker 2: is a fair point. It's a that is a the
Speaker 2: question right now, and that's why I wanted to end
Speaker 2: it on it, because that this is the philosophical question
Speaker 2: that we're going to be having. Yeah, is are you
Speaker 2: desperate to the point at left tackle where you're gonna
Speaker 2: take Will Campbell And if he's a bust and you
Speaker 2: have to move him inside to left guard, then so
Speaker 2: be it. And you're willing to take that risk at
Speaker 2: four overall, I personally would just say that I still
Speaker 2: don't think it's a terrible option to sign Cam Robinson
Speaker 2: to a short term contract and Josh and draft one
Speaker 2: of those second wave guys like a Josh Simmons.
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say you can't k Robson. Let's say
Speaker 1: Robinson's often because that's obvious. Yeah, if you sign Cam Robinson,
Speaker 1: you draft somebody later. That's easy, right, And I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we'd hope they do from the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's say Cam Robinson signs elsewhere, because that that that's
Speaker 1: really putting the pressure on because now, okay, you're not
Speaker 1: like Vaderian Low's in the competition and maybe he doesn't
Speaker 1: end up being the guy, but you're talking about Vaderian
Speaker 1: low and equivalent players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about Vaderian Lowe and Josh Connor in
Speaker 2: a competition, or Darien at Ursery in a competition, or.
Speaker 1: Like, now I guess you have to talk about I
Speaker 1: keep want to say Tristan Worst, Jedrick Wills, Jedrick Wills
Speaker 1: or Tristan Worse's be great. Yeah, Jedrick Wills are one
Speaker 1: of those other tackles is still available. Like at that point,
Speaker 1: are you thinking about Will Campbell?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Because I think you will.
Speaker 2: I think you are thinking about it in general. But
Speaker 2: you have to be convinced, in my mind, if you're
Speaker 2: drafting Will Campbell at four that he's he's going to
Speaker 2: play high level tackle, I think you have to be
Speaker 2: one hundred percent convinced that he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: Okay, so but forget what what you think? Right if
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, if Cam Robinson is not available, If Cam
Speaker 1: Robinson is not available, yeah, what are you doing at
Speaker 1: left tackle next year? That is the question.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick yes right now, I would
Speaker 2: try to position myself to draft one of those second
Speaker 2: wave tackles and put him in a competition with Vedarien Though. Okay,
Speaker 2: I or signed Cam Robinson and put him in Cam Robins. Well,
Speaker 2: this is Cam Robinson's off the board, right, Oh he's
Speaker 2: off the board. Cam Robinson's off the board.
Speaker 1: What are you doing it? Left out?
Speaker 2: I would draft Josh Connery or Arianti Ursery and put
Speaker 2: him in a competition with how high?
Speaker 1: How high would you draft him?
Speaker 2: Twenties?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're moving up from Yeah, well I'm saying
Speaker 1: like you can't just wait at thirty eight to see
Speaker 1: which one falls and then neither fall, And now what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Right? Yeah, okay, maneuver. Let me see
Speaker 1: Will Campbell's pro day numbers.
Speaker 2: Why is that going to change me? He worked out
Speaker 2: of the combine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the combine numbers are way off from the
Speaker 1: senior in terms of everybody else. I'm like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, I'm not closed in. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to close the door on Will Campbell
Speaker 1: being the answer that question. I really don't. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's whether they should or not is another conversation,
Speaker 1: like he very well may be a guard I think
Speaker 1: he is, but it doesn't matter what me and you
Speaker 1: would do because we're not up there or over there
Speaker 1: wherever the office is. Right, it's what they would do.
Speaker 1: I just I have this gut feeling that that door
Speaker 1: is not totally shut yet.
Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for this weeks. Catch
Speaker 2: twenty two A lot to talk about today. That was
Speaker 2: a good show.
Speaker 1: We need to get more fun from here.
Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. I think we'll probably do
Speaker 2: an even harder reset of the draft board and all
Speaker 2: the Patriots options and at the top of the draft
Speaker 2: and throughout the draft next week, so we'll be here
Speaker 2: and we'll break that down for you as well, and
Speaker 2: there might be some more Patriots news I'm sure, as
Speaker 2: signings and all that good stuff as well. So until then,
Speaker 2: signing off for Alex Bartham, Evan Lazarre. We'll see you
Speaker 2: next week.
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