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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar Lazar, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: He joined as always by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 2: Because I can't quit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my Tes Johnson love.

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Speaker 2: He tested exactly the same as Tantut.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't he did. He didn't. He did he

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Speaker 1: did not because he didn't he did.

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Speaker 2: He ran a four or five one. Tant Del ran

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Speaker 2: a four four nine.

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Speaker 1: That's different. Take out tank dell to hundredths of the

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Speaker 1: that's what the combine is. That's absolutely tank tank tank.

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Speaker 1: Deel's also are twelve pounds heavier. Tes Johnson, they showed

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Speaker 1: it was.

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Speaker 2: He was on my downs list. You don't have to

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Speaker 2: ran this on my.

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Speaker 1: Don list player in the history of the combine.

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Speaker 2: It was not good. Oh it was not good, but

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Speaker 2: you know it was good. It was a good couple

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Speaker 2: days for the Patriots. It was a I have a

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Speaker 2: little pep in my step today and I thought it

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Speaker 2: was a really solid start. I'm not going to come

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Speaker 2: in here and blow too much smoke and say that

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Speaker 2: it was like this unbelievable A plus first day of

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Speaker 2: free agency, but I would call it a really solid start.

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased with what the Patriots have done so far

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Speaker 2: and I'm excited about it. So we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: it here today, Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots Catch twenty

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Speaker 2: two for the next couple of hours, and I want

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Speaker 2: to go player by player and give our takes on

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Speaker 2: each individual player. But I obviously want to start big

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Speaker 2: picture first and talk about our overall thoughts of really

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Speaker 2: what's been one day, because they haven't really done much.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some things that are balls up in

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Speaker 2: the air that maybe they're waiting to see where they

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Speaker 2: fall to start a second wave here, Cooper Cup, we'll

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Speaker 2: get to that and we'll camp. Yeah, we'll get to

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Speaker 2: that in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: The show would be great. If they're listening up stairs,

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Speaker 1: you want to give us some reacting during the show,

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Speaker 1: appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: The next two hours. We'll yeah, sooner the better, and

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Speaker 2: we'll keep morel here a little bit longer if it

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Speaker 2: happens in LA or we'll keep it going anyways. I

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Speaker 2: think my big picture thought on the free agency so far,

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Speaker 2: far is putting in the caveat of they still need

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Speaker 2: the wide receiver, and they still need the left tackle,

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Speaker 2: and I think we're all aware of that. But I

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Speaker 2: look at what they've done on defense and think two things. One,

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Speaker 2: I'm really glad that they didn't ignore how just bad

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to find the right word, wasn't good

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Speaker 2: on defense last year. And anybody that thought it was

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Speaker 2: just an offensive minded free agency or off season that

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Speaker 2: don't think that that was really looking at it objectively

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Speaker 2: of just how that defense fell apart, especially upfront and

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Speaker 2: linebacker play, safety play, it just wasn't good enough on

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Speaker 2: my guy Robert Splaine is one of my favorite signings

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Speaker 2: we're gonna sign the top three defense of free agents

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Speaker 2: because that's what we need. No, they they made some

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Speaker 2: really nice, calculated moves to upgrade this defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that. I they didn't address the

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Speaker 1: I think it was a very disciplined approach. Mike rabel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed. And you mentioned Carlton Davis and maybe

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Speaker 2: let's call it, two starters at least, and then there's

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Speaker 2: your phone calls eight five to five p that's five hundred,

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Speaker 2: and you can reach out on email too at podcasts

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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com if you'd like to do that

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Speaker 2: as well. But I want to go through all these

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Speaker 2: of just sort of you know when they were signed

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Speaker 2: first one is is Harold Landry on Sunday night, as

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Speaker 2: we're all on our couches probably not thinking that anything

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Speaker 2: Landry to a three year deal. And you know, this

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Speaker 2: one's obvious. Big connections with Rabel goes back away as

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Speaker 2: a draft. Rabel draft pick is very first draft in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: After Shan Evans was their first round pick.

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Speaker 2: He definitely has a tape that he can play it

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think ideally you have two of those guys,

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Speaker 2: It's extremely athletic too. Just I know some of those

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Speaker 2: Fantastic playoff run for Philadelphia yea last year as well.

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Speaker 2: can get beat deep sometimes. But when you have Christian

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00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: Gonzalez on the other side, like maybe the safety help

433
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: goes to the Carlon Davis a little bit more often.

434
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Speaker 1: And this is where I'd like to see them ad

435
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: that true free safety. Yeah, on the back end, because

436
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: if you can allow both Gonzalese and Davis to play

437
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 1: more aggressive in the shorter intermediate, you're gonna turn two

438
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: guys who are primarily locked down corners maybe into kind

439
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: of ball hooks.

440
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I watched I watched a couple games of Davis's,

441
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 2: but I watched him against Christian Watson with the Packers

442
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: because I wanted to see him against a real speed receiver.

443
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: It's a tough matchup for a guy like him. And

444
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 2: he did really really well outside of two plays, but

445
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: those two plays went for like sixty yards apiece. Because

446
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: he does sometimes lose some of those foot races down

447
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: the field. You know, Watson ran by him on a

448
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: go ball on one and then you know a crossing

449
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: route where he got caught up in some traffic. I'll

450
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: give him that, but you know, just going across the field,

451
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: those types of foot races can be a little bit tough,

452
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: especially if he's playing off coverage and not playing up

453
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage where you can get his

454
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: hands on guys. The go ball was like soft press,

455
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 2: so he wasn't really jamming, he was just kind of

456
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: mirroring and and Watson ran by him. So if you

457
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: manage his matchups though, and you put him against you know,

458
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: the bigger bodied guys, or you put him against the

459
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: guys that aren't quite as dynamic down the field, and

460
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: Gonzalez he's just, you know, can run with anybody, and

461
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: runs with Tyreek Hill, so he can run with anybody.

462
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: You know, he covers the true speed guy, then you're

463
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: in good shape. And it's not exactly the same, but

464
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: it kind of reminds me of Revis and Browner, where

465
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: like Revis was, you know, this guy that could cover

466
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,959
Speaker 2: anybody he wanted, and I think Christian Gonzalez is that

467
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: type of dude, and Browner was just that physical you know,

468
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: jam and macnidean type of player. And as long as

469
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: you kept Browner in the right matchups, he was really

470
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: really effective. And I think the same thing is going

471
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: to be true with Carlton Davis.

472
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Speaker 1: So I love it.

473
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: I love the size on the outside, I love the

474
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 2: physicality he brings, the edge that he brings. This is

475
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 2: what they've been missing for multiple years now at that

476
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: second cornerback spot, Gonzo's rookie year. I'd be really going

477
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: back to twenty twenty two. I would say they've been

478
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: playing Miles Bryant, Marcus Jones, Jonathan Jones out on the

479
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: boundary at of necessity. So they have a guy now

480
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: in Carlton Davis that belongs out there, that belongs playing

481
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 2: in that spot. So that's exciting.

482
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: And when they face some of these faster teams, like

483
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Jonathan Jones, it still mix.

484
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a game where Carlton Davis plays a little less,

485
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones plays a little more, they get another speedier corner

486
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: on the outside, is kind of an alternate to Carlton

487
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: Davis like they have they had They didn't need a

488
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: lot of corners, They just needed one guy to slot

489
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: everybody incorrectly. Bring Jonathan Jones back or some other speedier

490
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, backup slot corner, and now you're in good

491
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: shape and you have a ton of options with how

492
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: you want to pick your matchups.

493
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: Right, they have Marcus Jones under contract, and I like,

494
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: just let's call for what it is. We're really talking

495
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: about Miami, right, And like when you go up against

496
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 2: Miami and you have Tyrak Kill and Jalen Wattle, we

497
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: know Gonzales can stay with Tyreek Hill, so he's probably

498
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: gonna cover Hill. Does Marcus Jones cover Jalen Wattle in

499
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: that matchup instead of Carlton Davis. I love the idea

500
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: potentially of Carlton Davis then playing more of like a

501
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: nickel role in that kind of game. Yeah, and having

502
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: some size inside when they go twelve personnel, they go heavy.

503
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: And that's another thing about Davis. He's really good against

504
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: the run.

505
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can play him against the run. He can

506
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: play tight ends like potentially like receiving tight ends. Like

507
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 2: I think that he has a size and the ability

508
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: to guard those types of players too inside, So maybe

509
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: in those types of matchups they move him around a

510
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: little bit to get him off of those speedy receivers.

511
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: I think that that could really be huge for them

512
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 2: if that's what they're able to do and those types

513
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: of things. All right, Robert Splane probably my favorite signing.

514
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: I know it sounds that's weird for me to be

515
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 2: that into an inside linebacker, but the linebacker play on

516
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: this team last year just drove me bananas. Yeah, I

517
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: just would pull my hair out every single Monday watching

518
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: the film back of their linebacker play last year. And

519
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: Spalane is one of those guys that just is all

520
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: over the ball all the time. I mean, he had

521
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty six tackles last year, and I

522
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: know tackles. Some people don't like the stat anymore, but

523
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: you don't make one hundred and fifty tackles by accident, right, Like,

524
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: if you're around the ball that much, good things are

525
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: happening when you're out there. Really underrated run defender, he's

526
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: sneaky good in zone coverage, like he's kind of got

527
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: like a nose for the football. Is five picks over

528
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: the last two years, mostly in zone coverage.

529
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: I think he had seventy nine pass breakups last year.

530
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't put him in Manton man against like

531
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: tough assignments like if you have a pass catching running

532
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: back or dynamic tight ends and things like that. I

533
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily say that he's smooth enough in terms of

534
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: that in coverage, but he's got a really good knack

535
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field for those, you know,

536
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: those short zone drops, just kind of feeling out those

537
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: routes and being able to jump routes from those underneath spots.

538
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: He's two hundred and thirty pounds, so he's a little

539
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: bit more undersized, a little bit faster, a little bit

540
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: more sidelined to sideline to him than what they've had

541
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: in the past. But most of all, I just think

542
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: he plays like a maniac. Like I think he plays

543
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: with his hair on fire. He plays physical, he plays

544
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: through blocks, and that's something that they just didn't have

545
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: last year.

546
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: Old school line old school mentality, modern linebacker skill set.

547
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like he is, he's I'm sure

548
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: he's a very nice guy, but on the field, mean

549
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: plays a nasty flies around, always near the football, doesn't

550
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: miss a chance to deliver a big hit. But he

551
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: can move. He can move, he can get sideline a sideline,

552
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: he can explode in the backfield when he needs And

553
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 1: the other thing is like a lot of these linebackers.

554
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: So the initial report was that the Patriots were in

555
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: on Jamien Sherwood. Yeah, Jamien Sherwoods two hundred and sixteen pounds. Yeah,

556
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: And that worried me a little bit. And I don't

557
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: like Sherwood's twenty five Splain's twenty nine. So there's something

558
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: to be said for upside and all that. But Splaine

559
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: six to one, two nine, Like, he's not small, he's

560
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: not big. He's not the two hundred and sixty pound

561
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: linebacker we're used to seeing here, you know, like Juwan Bentley,

562
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: but he still has some size to him and he

563
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: can still handle some of those old school linebacker roles.

564
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: So I I don't know, looking back on it, like,

565
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: did they almost end up better off? We're sure we're

566
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: going back to the Jets and ending up with Splaine.

567
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: They definitely ended up with the more physical player. Yeah,

568
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: and Splaine and I also think that, you know, he's

569
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 2: one of those guys that plays with energy and plays

570
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: with like a joy to him a little bit. That

571
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: not saying that Surewood doesn't play with energy, but I

572
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: don't know if like Spolaine is gonna be one. I'm

573
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: telling you he's gonna be one of those guys that

574
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: is gonna get this place going a little bit. You know,

575
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: Like I think that he's gonna make some plays and

576
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: he's gonna get up out off the pile and be

577
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: screaming and stuff like that. He just has like an

578
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: edge to him.

579
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: This is still unlike you forget. They don't show that

580
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: on the All twenty two.

581
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: You know how bad the defense in the middle of

582
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: the field was last year.

583
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't they don't. This is what I always say

584
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: when you watch the All twenty two. You lose the

585
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: stuff in between the whistles, you lose penalties, you lose

586
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: like body language, emotion. But he is not a lot

587
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: of it on there.

588
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: You know what it was.

589
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: And I don't me wrong. I like that you have

590
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: the stage.

591
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the player. I I mentioned this yesterday

592
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: on Unfiltered, but last year, you know me, I'll find

593
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: myself on a Monday night. Tuesday night when I'm doing

594
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: all my film stuff, for some reason, I'm watching The

595
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 2: Raiders Defense. Like no, no one knows why, Like why

596
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: did I end up here? I couldn't tell you, but

597
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: you know there's cross tape or whatever, and like they're

598
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: playing an offense and played the Raiders and I'm just

599
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: ending up here. Okay, So I'm ending up here on

600
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: the Raiders Defense. And every time you turned on the

601
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: film with the Raiders Defense, even over the last two years,

602
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: I would say this blame guy just keeps flashing, like

603
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: he keeps making plays.

604
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: He just shows up.

605
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: He's always around the ball and and he's he's sort

606
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: of like the film junkies, like the guys on Twitter

607
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,479
Speaker 2: that are always posting clips and stuff like that. We

608
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: all kind of just love Splaine. Like I don't know

609
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: what it is. It just is one of those guys

610
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: that is underrated. And I set it off the top

611
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: of the show that it feels like somebody's paying attention again,

612
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: which is nice. I feel like somebody's watching the tape. Right.

613
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 2: We're not We're not just going out there and oh

614
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: I heard that guy right, Like we're actually going out

615
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: and watching film and understanding who these players are. And

616
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: Splaine is one of those guys. To me, that shows

617
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: that someone did some homework, Like this is a this

618
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: is a good poll, like this is yeah some you know. Oh,

619
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: like Zach Bond's a free agent, so we're just gonna

620
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: give Zach Bond.

621
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: It's been underrated. It came into the league as Udfa

622
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: played two games with the Titans, went to Pittsburgh, started

623
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: off as he like a primary special teamer, worked his

624
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: way in rotation or all. He started all seventeen games

625
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: last few years for the Raiders. Like this is a

626
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: guy that built his way up quietly.

627
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely all right, Uh that was the defense most Yeah,

628
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: that was. I want to talk about Tonga. So Tonga

629
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: a space eater, right, Like Tonga is a space heating

630
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: nose tackle.

631
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: And so just when you're worried, I think you had

632
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: texted me this, yeah that, like you know, these are

633
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: good signings, right, they're bringing good players, nothing wrong with that,

634
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: but like, are they getting a little too small on defense?

635
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: They were one big boys short yep on the defense.

636
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Six foot four three eight pound chiris Tonga shows Yeah, every.

637
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: Once in a while, I got a feel for the league,

638
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, every once in a.

639
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: While, So you knew when you texted me that.

640
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: No, I didn't say that.

641
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

642
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Because it was like five minutes before they signed thex

643
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: SO Tonga, Like you said, space eater, big dude, gonna

644
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: clog rushing lands, great short yardage player.

645
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

646
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: What I really like about the Tonga signing though, and

647
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: this is this is where my nerdom comes in. Like

648
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: they moved Von Godshaw who was a good player but

649
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: probably overpriced for what the role is that he was

650
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: going to play, especially in this defense, and they get

651
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: a significantly better value in Tonga and he's probably gonna

652
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: play the same apps that Devon Gotcha was gonna play.

653
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: So is it maybe a little bit worse of a player.

654
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: I guess you could make that case. But now they

655
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: have Milton Williams, now they have Harold Landry. And this

656
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: is just from a math standpoint or a financial standpoint,

657
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: Like to me, this is a shrewd move, like you

658
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: trim salary with Devon Gotshaw, but you still have a

659
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: Devon Godshaw type player in tongue.

660
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they because he's just with Gosh Gotcha played

661
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: over fifty percent. Last year they played like fifty five percent.

662
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: This guy probably thirty percent of the place. Right, He's

663
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: just gonna be on the field when they need to

664
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: stop the run. That's it. You didn't need to pay

665
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: that guy they opened up this year. It's minimal, but

666
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: next year eight million dollars in gap. Uh, you didn't

667
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: need to be paying that for what that role is

668
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: gonna be and and and and tongs of the player.

669
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: He's gonna take up space and and that's what they needed.

670
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: They needed another big body. I want to get to

671
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: what we still think they needs. I don't want to

672
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: keep on.

673
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I know we were gonna end up leaving off one

674
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: guy that no, no, no, that's fine.

675
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: I just meant like, I have a couple more they

676
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: still need, but on defense. But we'll to that in

677
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: a second. I want to do that separately, all right. Offensively,

678
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: Morgan Moses, who is like a agent like fine wine,

679
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: like he's an agent. Wonder his best years of his

680
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: career last year. Yeah, he plays for the most part,

681
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: he plays every game for like eleven straight years. Yeah,

682
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: it's pretty incredible. The durability. This was exactly what we

683
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: were talking about on the offensive line going into free agency,

684
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: just give me somebody that is an NFL player at

685
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: the position right And we were talking more about about tackle,

686
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: but I think you mentioned guard, and I've been big

687
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: on a left guard as a potential hole here. But

688
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: in terms of right tackle, just give me somebody who

689
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: is an NFL player at that position, uh not, not

690
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: someone that is off the scrap heap or off someone

691
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: else's you know, practice squad, an NFL player. And that's

692
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: exactly what Morgan Moses is. He's a people mover in

693
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: the run game, really really physical blocker. I think him

694
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: next to Mike gon When, who was a great run

695
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: blocking right side offensive line. Those guys on double teams

696
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: and gap schemes and things, they're gonna move some people

697
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: on that side of the line of scrimmage, which is good.

698
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: I think that's what Josh McDaniels wants. I think that's

699
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,479
Speaker 2: what his offense wants. I always go back to his

700
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: ideal right side of Marcus Cannon and Shaq Mason, like

701
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: you just want two bulldozers over there that can really

702
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: move the line of scrimmage. I think they have that again,

703
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: and I watched Moses against Chop Robinson because that was

704
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: the one thing I had concerned kind of like with

705
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Davis was speed. Just on the other side, I was

706
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: worried about the twitched up guys, like are those speed

707
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: rushers like a Chop Robinson at thirty four years old,

708
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: is he still meeting them, you know, at the junction

709
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: point of the rush, and is he still able to

710
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: protect his edge against Chop Robinson. And chop Robinson got

711
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: him a few times. But I thought that he did

712
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: pretty well and held up pretty well, really good, you know,

713
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: out of his stand still. I think he gains plenty

714
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: of ground. There still blocks inside out, so you're not

715
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of like really quick losses on his tape,

716
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: and that's encouraging. It's you're not gonna get those like

717
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: blowbys where it's just no contest. So I know, think

718
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 2: he's the most fleet of foot at this point. He's

719
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: not a great uh lateral, you know, redirect athlete, so

720
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna have some issues with those types of guys sometimes,

721
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: but again, he's not gonna get blown by consistently, at

722
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: least professional player, professional solid player a little bit older.

723
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: I doubt he plays the whole three years of the contract,

724
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: but they just needed somebody to get them the level

725
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: at one of those tackle spots, and he'll do that.

726
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: It's not a position, and we're not gonna at least

727
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: one spot we know we're not gonna have to go

728
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: into camp when tackle spot that we know we're not

729
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 2: gonna have to go in to camp and be like,

730
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: all right, well, this guy's the favorite, but this guy

731
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: could win the RP.

732
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: No Morgan Moses. If Morgan Moses is losing that spot,

733
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: something probably went unexpectedly wrongly. Yeah, that's his job. Yeah,

734
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: solid player. Gives them another year to develop Kane Wallace

735
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: if they want, although maybe they end up moving him

736
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: to guard or something like that, but gives them some

737
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: flexibility there, walks Mike O and whnu Wint right guard

738
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: for the first time in his NFL career. Mike went

739
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: who can spend the entire offseason preseason just focusing on

740
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: one position? Right, should spend the entire offseason? Uh, preseason

741
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: focusing on one position. You talked a lot about pass

742
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: pro there. I think you're gonna have a lot of

743
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: fun running off that right side between on When and

744
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses. I think there's a lot of potential there.

745
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Solid signing, solid signing. Not you know, nobody's doom cart

746
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: wheels or anything, but like box checked for sure, that

747
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: box is checked. Good right tackle for this year, not

748
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: a question.

749
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. How relieving is that to have a good spot

750
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 2: to not have to go into the camp and well

751
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: it could you know they've drafted Wallace in the third

752
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: round and you know they have you know, this veteran

753
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: that's Riley Reef over there gets waved.

754
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, no not not not at right tackle. We'll

755
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: see that left. Yeah, not doing that at right tackle. Yeah.

756
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: The last thing on Moses that I really like talking

757
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: to Brandon Thorne, who's kind of my my O line

758
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: guy that I like to pick his brain a lot

759
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff. And uh he he did

760
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: point out that really good in the room, like a

761
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: really good leader. He's going to take these guys that

762
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 2: they draft, you know, they draft a rookie left tackle,

763
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: Caden Wallace in his second season, Laden Robinson in his

764
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: second season. Uh, he's going to take these guys under

765
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: his wing. He's going to show him the ropes. He's

766
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: going to teach them how to be professionals. And I

767
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: think that that's important. I think that's a good part

768
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: of that as well. Good culture guy experienced steady Brandon

769
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: Nudd every year does a O line rankings and he

770
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: had he had everybody in tears, and uh, Moses was

771
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: in his average NFL starter tier, which I think is

772
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: exactly what he is. You know, he's a steady, reliable,

773
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: average right tackle in the league, which is so much

774
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: better than what they had last year. So we're in

775
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: proving there in that spot as well. And you know,

776
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: we'll get to the rest of the line here in

777
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: the second which is still a big question marking a

778
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: big concern Mac Collins. This one is I'm okay with it.

779
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: I know it's not what everybody wants out a wide receiver.

780
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people, you know, I

781
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: posted some clips of him on Twitter and everybody was like,

782
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: don't try to convince us that this guy is a

783
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: wide receiver one. You know, no one's trying to convince

784
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: you that Matt Collins is the cure to all their

785
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: ills at the wide receiver position. But similar to what

786
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: we were just talking about with Moses, this is a

787
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: professional receiver that goes about things the right way. From

788
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: everything that everybody has talked about and in terms of

789
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: that side of it. How much of a mess that

790
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: receiver room was last year on and off the field.

791
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: This is a guy you're not gonna have to worry

792
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: about in terms of the off field locker room stuff.

793
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: And I actually think that he's got some sneaky juice.

794
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: Like it's not great, Like I'm not again, no one's

795
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: trying to convince you that Collins is the answer. But

796
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that I saw on film, I

797
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: took me by surprise a little bit. Like he's got

798
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of speed and some juice off the

799
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, you know, really good accelerator off the line,

800
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: and he's got some wiggle against press. He's got size,

801
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, in the red zone. He's six foot four,

802
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: kind of five touchdowns last year for Buffalo. So I

803
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: do think that he is a guy that can be

804
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: used in the red zone as that type of player,

805
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: especially if he's gonna run routes out of that like

806
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 2: big slot role. Right you put him inside almost like

807
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: a tight end and have him, you know, run seams

808
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: and and cuts and stuff like that down by the

809
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: goal line. He's got a nice catch radius and size

810
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: to him. It plays on special teams. You know he's

811
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: gonna be a four down player for you. I had

812
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: really good production with Josh McDaniels.

813
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: Solid, solid depth, Yeah, solid on spectacle. I saw a

814
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: lot of people felt strongly about this one one way

815
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: or the other, and I just I couldn't find it

816
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: either way. Like, he definitely checks and boxes they need

817
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: to check six four two twenty one because you size

818
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: in that room. He is probably is his safe stays

819
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: the only true X on the roster. I know they

820
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: played Kishon Booty out there, but that's because they don't

821
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: have anybody else, right.

822
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's He's the guy that can definitely play

823
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: the X. I think he's better as a big slot,

824
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: which I feel like as we say that a lot.

825
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Well he hasn't, but he hasn't done that a lot

826
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: in his career.

827
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: No, but I thought that, you know, in Buffalo last year,

828
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: I was I thought that was his best tape was

829
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: playing inside. I think that that way there. You know,

830
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: his speed in his size against nickel corners or safeties

831
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: is a lot harder to defend for guys that play

832
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: full time on the outside at defensive back, Like when

833
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: he gets into the inside part of the field. I

834
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: at six foot Fouries, he's got some girth. You know,

835
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: he's got some size to him.

836
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: I guess they need somebody to play the X. And again,

837
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: either way, he brings size that they didn't have. He

838
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: bring experience. Uh, he brings that veteran leadership, and he

839
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: can play on special teams. They still need to do

840
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: a ton oft receivers. This doesn't really answer any of

841
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: the talent questions, but they needed depth in that room.

842
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: They needed somebody to push some of these younger guys

843
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: and bring in competition for them for more rotational roles.

844
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: I think he does that, but I mean this is

845
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: not a replacement for metcalf or Higgins or any of

846
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: those guys.

847
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: No, and it will be interesting and uh when we

848
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: talk about, well, you know what's going on, what's gonna

849
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: happen next here they have bodies at receiver, I'm not

850
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: saying they have any answers. And I want to keep

851
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: putting that out there until somebody eclipses and says, oh,

852
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 2: he said that they're fine at receiver. No, they have

853
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of They need a lot more

854
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: at receiver. But all of a sudden, I was texting

855
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: you last night about the you know, potential depth charts

856
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: and things like that. Uh, you know, what are you

857
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna do with Booty? I actually even throw Kendrick Bourne

858
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: in this category, right, Kendrick Bourne, Booty Polk, Baker, like

859
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: those four guys, Yeah, because you're gonna have I would

860
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: think another draft pick at wide receiver, I would think, uh,

861
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: that's gonna make the.

862
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: Roster unless unless it's a high draft pick. Do you

863
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: need one? Like, like, what good does it do them

864
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: to take another receiver in the fourth round?

865
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: Well, this is my point, right is like you know

866
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: everybody's throwing out there, you know, sign Cooper Cup, draft

867
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan. Like, I'm not saying don't, but I'm not

868
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: saying don't do those things. Yeah, I'm just saying that

869
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: when you start to really think about it, there's the

870
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: numbers there. You're gonna be giving up on on a

871
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: young player there that you just drafted, and probably Javon

872
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: Baker is probably the most likely guy. But still like

873
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: that that foursome of Bourne, Polk, Booty Baker. If you

874
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: go into the season thinking that right now, MATC Collins

875
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: and Pop Douglas I think are on the team yes, right,

876
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: And my guess is that they're gonna either sign or

877
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: trade or draft one more receiver that's gonna be on

878
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: the team. So you're really talking about two or three

879
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: spots that are left over there. MATC. Collins is already

880
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: sort of your fringe wide receiver for a special team guy, right,

881
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: So that spot's kind of already taken up. So you're

882
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: talking about two more true receivers that aren't gonna just

883
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: be kicking game contributors, making the roster out of four guys.

884
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: So someone between that foursome is gonna be is gonna

885
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: be out, And maybe that's for the best. Like I'm

886
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: not saying that that's necessarily a bad thing. It's just

887
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: something to consider when you start hearing, oh, they need

888
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: to double dip out receiver again, or they need to

889
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: sign this guy and draft that guy, like they're starting

890
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: to get the numbers are starting to get a little crazy, right, Yeah,

891
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just interested to see how that all pans out.

892
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 2: But we'll get to more of that here in a second.

893
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: Let's wrap this up, Josh Dobbs, is the last move here,

894
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: and how are you feeling about the Manhattan Project Because

895
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: we're starting to get a little bit sweaty about this,

896
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: alex that your guy's not going to be here. Joe

897
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: Milton is who we're talking right.

898
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: If they get a good return for Joe Milton, he

899
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: goes somewhere, he's gonna have a chance to start, like,

900
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: I'd be incredibly happy for him. Yeah, and I think

901
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: it validates what Alexander did and what they did last

902
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: year taking them probably that was always the point. Right

903
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: when they drafted Joe Milton, we said, like, best case scenario,

904
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: you have a couple of showcase games, warm in the

905
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: preseason or late in the season, and he goes out

906
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: and you get back more than you drafted him. So

907
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: I'd be happy for him if they're able to do that. Now,

908
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: I'm not rushing that guy out the door. I think

909
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: there's value in having a good backup quarterback, and his

910
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: value I think can still go up and maybe you

911
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: get more. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

912
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: For anything less than one hundred and the top one

913
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: hundred pick, I just think you're spinning your tires to

914
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: what to go ahead and draft Brady Cook in the

915
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: seventh round and just start the process over. So I

916
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't They definitely have more flexibility now because they have

917
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: another backup quarterback in place if they do trade Joe Milton,

918
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: if somebody blows them away. That being said, I would

919
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: not rule out the idea that they want to keep

920
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: three quarterbacks. Yeah, so what most teams do now when

921
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: you have that emergency quarterback rule on game days, teams

922
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of that. It's not like they're

923
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: going to have a roster crunch. They're still kind of

924
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: building this thing up. And Josh Dobbs gives you a

925
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: veteran in that room. This is a guy that's the

926
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: Patriots or is eleventh NFL team? Yeah right, he's he

927
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 1: he's only played what five six NFL seasons, but there's

928
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: a lot of experience packed in there, and he's gonna

929
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: be a good mentor not mentor, but like good veteran

930
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: voice in the room for Drake May and Joe Milton.

931
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: He gives you an opportunity to have that third emergency

932
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: quarterback on game days. Stylistically, he's a fit with the

933
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: other two, so you're not gonna have to really have

934
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: him do things differently. What better you have two guys

935
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: with rocket arms to have a rocket scientist teach them

936
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: how to go about their their game.

937
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: Right, So how long have you been rehearsing that one?

938
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: I came up with it about ten minutes after they

939
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: signed him. Yeah, they like could they It makes it

940
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: Joe Milton trade easier. And maybe that's down the road.

941
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Maybe that's at the end of camp, some team gets antsy.

942
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I mean, at the time we're doing this podcast,

943
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Rogers is still out there, Wilson's still out there, and

944
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Kirk Cousins. Then you have

945
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: the draft. Maybe you get a team that you know,

946
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: get shaky and says, you know what, we we got

947
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: to give up more than we want because we've got

948
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: to come out of this with a quarterback. We're missing

949
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: on everybody. But so maybe maybe it gives them the

950
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: flexibility if the right offer comes along. But I don't

951
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: think they're going to north Should they just rush Joe

952
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: Milton out the door? What I said the other night

953
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: on Twitter, don't just trade Joe Milton for the best

954
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: you can get. Trade Joe Milton because somebody is giving

955
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: you a reason to trade Joe Milton, right if the

956
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: best offer is still not like significant, you really don't

957
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: need to be in a rush to trade him. And

958
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: the other thing I'll add to this just the Dobbs

959
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: signing as a whole, Like he got two years, eight million,

960
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: which is solid. It's not starting money, but it's solid

961
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: backup quarterback money. Sam Darnold got a hundred million dollars.

962
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: You saw somebody give up a fifth round pick for

963
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. Yeah, these teams are going hard into the

964
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback.

965
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: Market because they're terrified of the draft class.

966
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: Which might be so glass half fall a glass half empty.

967
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: These teams are going hard into the veteran quarterback market,

968
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: which might be a good sign for the Patriot because

969
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: it means none of the teams like the quarterbacks, which

970
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: means they won't go at the top of the draft.

971
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: The bad news for the Patriots is all the teams

972
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: winning the deals for these quarterbacks and trading for them

973
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: are not the teams at the top of the draft.

974
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: So do they get desperate and take somebody or does

975
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: it show you that those teams maybe feel better about

976
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that are available.

977
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: So I'm with you on Joe. I'm in no rush

978
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 2: to trade Joe Millen now if somebody comes in with

979
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: a second or third round pick, I would obviously strongly

980
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: consider a top one hundred, you know, value worth it maybe,

981
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: But I'm in no rush to trade Joe Millon. And

982
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: I look at Joe Millon the same way that I'm

983
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: sure in a lot of ways Bill Belichick looked at

984
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, or at the time, you're right over there

985
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: you get water Piper Jacoby Brissett, you know at the

986
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: time as well, like, don't trade them until you have

987
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: to trade them, right, if you.

988
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Could get like a Phillip Dorset equivalent, actually that'd be great.

989
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: But just don't don't be in any rush. Like you

990
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: have a affordable rookie cost controlled rookie contract, backup quarterback

991
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: with upside, So don't don't be in this huge rush

992
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: to trade him. Now. Again, if if a team blows

993
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 2: you away with an offer that's ridiculous, you know, like

994
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: a second round pick comes over, you know, across the table.

995
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: Of course, you do it, right, But I don't be

996
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: in any rush. I don't buy some of this stuff

997
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: out there that Joe Milton sees himself as a starter

998
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: and like it's going to like cause issues in the

999
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: room with Drake May. I don't necessarily think that that's

1000
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: the type of guy Joe Milton is.

1001
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I think that's more like an eventually thing, like eventually

1002
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: he'd like to go somewhere where he has a start,

1003
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 1: a chance to start, which of course he does. Yeah,

1004
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: but I don't think like it needs to be right now, because,

1005
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: like you said, that's just not the kind of guy

1006
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: that he is. The only team I wonder like if

1007
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: he sees a chance to go to the Rams and

1008
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: get back with the alex man Pelt and continue on

1009
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: the development path he was on last year, and you know,

1010
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, who knows how much longer he's going to

1011
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: be there, that might be something that enticing.

1012
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So last year when I wrote our feature on

1013
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Joe Milton, when they drafted him, and so I was

1014
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: talking to some people down at the Senior Bowl about

1015
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: him because he was down at the Senior Bowl, And

1016
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: that was when I first started to get on the

1017
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: bandwagon with you, if you remember correctly. So every year

1018
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl they hand out like a good

1019
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: Guy Award, basically just one of the players that was

1020
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 2: just above and beyond around around everybody. The re meeting

1021
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: around the meeting rooms, the locker room. You're just a

1022
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: great guy to be around.

1023
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Good.

1024
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Hang right, guess who won that award? Joe Milton.

1025
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: So that you're telling me that that guy is now

1026
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: going to start to try to strum up some quarterback

1027
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: controversy between him and Drake May, I just don't. That's

1028
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: not the vibe that I've gotten talking to people at

1029
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Michigan Tennessee, the Senior Bowl all throughout that process, that

1030
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: he was the type of guy that was going to

1031
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: do that. And I think that was part of the

1032
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: reason why they felt comfortable double dipping and drafting him

1033
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: last year because they didn't think that he was going

1034
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: to cause a whole hullrible that he should be starting.

1035
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be worried too much about that. But again,

1036
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: if somebody blows you away with an offer that you

1037
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: can't refuse, and you take it, but don't don't trade

1038
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: Joe Millon for a fourth round pick just to trade him,

1039
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: because then I think you have to draft another quarterback again, right,

1040
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: and so then you're just using that pick to draft

1041
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: another Joe Milton. So just keep Joe.

1042
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: Milton, and there is not another Joe Milton in the draft.

1043
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: There won't be another Joe Milton in the draft for

1044
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: a long long time.

1045
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a unique time, he is. He is. All right,

1046
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: let's got to do some of these atterides and then

1047
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna take your phone calls because I know you

1048
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: guys have been waiting. I know, I know you guys

1049
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: have been waiting. And I also know we're coming up

1050
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,160
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1057
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1061
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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. You are big on the I'm

1062
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: just gonna randomly have this football around and I'm gonna

1063
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: toss it to do.

1064
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: I do like to have a football around usually, just

1065
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: because especially if I'm just like sitting on the couch

1066
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: watching games, I just, you.

1067
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: Know, are you visioning that you're you're gonna be playing

1068
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: in this?

1069
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always I know, I'm just always tempted

1070
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: during the show to go take one of those footballs

1071
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: off the wall and just kind of having my hands

1072
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: during the show.

1073
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1074
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 2: the calls. Mouse isn't working. Uh, you can pull up, Patty.

1075
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: We'll just go in order.

1076
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: It's not on.

1077
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: I turned it on and then I turned it off

1078
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: and it still doesn't work. Oh, we got it. Okay,

1079
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: you're there, all right, all right, my bad, All right now.

1080
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: Screener, you definitely are hi, guys doing today?

1081
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: Good good?

1082
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: All right. I just want to give a couple of

1083
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 3: quick shout outs and then I'll get to my question.

1084
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: A big shout out to Chester and Portland. You know.

1085
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: He he basically said I was an idiot for not

1086
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 3: looking more into Mac Collins and when I did. The

1087
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 3: guy is kind of a character, and you know, maybe

1088
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: I didn't gi him as much credit as he was

1089
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: giving him. And if you look like in twenty twenty

1090
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: two he had his best year with Josh, so maybe

1091
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 3: that's positive going forward with him. You know, I'm not

1092
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: saying he's gonna be Brandon Lafel or you know, any

1093
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 3: anything in that mold, but you know, maybe we can

1094
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: get some good, solid production for him. And I think

1095
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 3: this guy might end up being a fan favorite. And

1096
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: and the YouTube comments, let me shout out old Man

1097
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: Mob because that guy's always on point. Now let's get

1098
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: to my questions. Guys. Do you guys The first question

1099
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: is do you think with the moves that we made

1100
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: with Robert Splane, do you think Juwan Bentley still has

1101
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: a role on this team, Because if it comes down

1102
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: between him and Jilanni to buy I I actually want

1103
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: to buy off this team. Like I don't want him

1104
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: on here. Call me petty, but I don't like what.

1105
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: I don't like how he presented as fans last last season.

1106
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 3: You know, we're the ones that pay his salary, and

1107
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 3: sometimes football, you know, football players need to get that

1108
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: through their head that we're the ones that come to

1109
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: the games, We're the ones that buy the jerseys, We're

1110
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: the ones that watched the games on TV that that

1111
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: helped this you know, ad revenue go through and help

1112
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: get these guys paid. So I want I just want

1113
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: him gone. And my second question is this is kind

1114
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: of crazy. Let's say something absolutely bonkers happens at the

1115
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: top of the draft and Will Campbell, Abdull Carter, and

1116
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter are all sitting there at number four. Who

1117
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 3: do you take.

1118
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Off your guys? Yeah?

1119
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Twice about it. He's the best player in the draft.

1120
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would take Abdul Carter too. In terms of linebacker,

1121
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any plans of releasing Tavai

1122
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: or moving on from Bentley or anything like that. I

1123
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: still see that Bentley and Spoayne can play together. Yeah,

1124
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: I think Bentley is your mic Splain's your weak side

1125
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: linebacker playing you know, in a four to two in

1126
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: this defense. Maybe that means to Vay and Spolayne are

1127
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: kind of in a competition for who is the best,

1128
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, compliment to Bentley there. But I still see

1129
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: a role for Bentley on this team.

1130
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: Bentley will still have a role, might be reduced. I mean,

1131
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: he was playing ninety percent of the stamps before I got hurt.

1132
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: Lest year, like that's gonna go down like sixty five seventy,

1133
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: I would think, But he still has a role for sure.

1134
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a role for Jelanne to Vai. Yeah,

1135
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know, especially when you consider anything that

1136
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: happened last year, you're going to keep that guy around

1137
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: in a backup role where he's not playing a ton

1138
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: where he's probably gonna get frustrated. You know. I don't

1139
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: know that, like you said, is anything imminent, I don't know.

1140
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: But when we get around a training camp, we're talking

1141
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: about guys on the bubble. If he's still here at

1142
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: that point, that's definitely somebody I'd put us on the bubble.

1143
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: If i'd do a roster projection today, I don't know

1144
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: that i'd have him on the team.

1145
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. DeShawn is in Virginia. What's up

1146
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: to Sean?

1147
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 4: Oh gods, how do you guys doing?

1148
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: Hate good?

1149
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 4: I want to talk about three thirds. First, is the

1150
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 4: safety part or whatever I mean? I have a hard

1151
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 4: time understanding and the reason why they need to try

1152
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 4: to go out to read because like it's been all

1153
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 4: of something they had a traditional safety I ring your

1154
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: city like that could cover out in space from sideline

1155
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 4: to sideline, you know, that could like defend the run

1156
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: as well as the past. So I'm smartly didn't go

1157
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 4: out to read because douggars stucks. And I've been saying

1158
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: this for a long time that they should have traded

1159
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: him last year. Now, when it comes to certain things

1160
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: about like far as, like the live backer situation, whatever,

1161
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 4: I feel like guys like Ellis Mapoo would benefit this

1162
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 4: year because I have more help wanting to defend the

1163
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 4: times so ecthetic resport I said, they could play there

1164
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 4: respectable roles better because of that of them boosting the

1165
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: defense like that. Now, when when it comes to the offense,

1166
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 4: we want to talk about you know, uh Holland. But

1167
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys I feel like would be

1168
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: great if they had a number one receiver because they'd

1169
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 4: been a player respectable roles as well. At the same

1170
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 4: thing was apply to the offense. But the probably they

1171
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 4: don't have a number one receiver to help everybody refill

1172
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 4: their respectful role. That's the issue that's basically going on.

1173
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to say.

1174
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: Thanks to Sean, thanks for the call. Yeah, I think

1175
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: as safety where we're all hoping that a true center

1176
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: fielder is coming. You know, it's not gonna be. It's

1177
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: not gonna be John Jevon Holland obviously he's not. I

1178
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: think he's mentioned Justin Reed, who Yeah, did he sign somewhere?

1179
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, where'd he go? I don't know where he went.

1180
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I know he signed.

1181
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: So you know, those guys aren't gonna be it. But

1182
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: I don't know as I could see a vision where

1183
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: it's not a full time player Justin Reid went to

1184
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: the Saints, but that dron harmon role of uh, we're

1185
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: gonna play an obvious past, you know, third down, two minutes,

1186
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: four minute offenses at the end of games, you know,

1187
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, which is usually factors into a

1188
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 2: good chunk of the snaps when you really think about it.

1189
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: In those scenarios, I definitely think that that player could

1190
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: be had. Like you mentioned, what's it a Cuba, right, Andrew.

1191
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: So the two guys I look at, yes, right, if

1192
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: they want to go in the first round, I guess

1193
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: there'd be three. If they want to go in the

1194
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: first round, it's Malachai Starks, but he's going to be

1195
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick, so they it's not happening without

1196
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: a ton of movement. Andrew mccooba from Texas in the

1197
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: second round thirty eight might be a little rich, but

1198
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: if they kind of hammer out some other needs here,

1199
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: not totally out of character, Probably better off moving back

1200
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: into the fifties and moving up from seventy to the

1201
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: fifties for him. And then the Day three guys would

1202
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: be early Day three probably at one oh six would

1203
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: be Billy Bowman from Oklahoma. He is going to be

1204
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: a true rotational player. I think mccuba maybe grows into

1205
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: that guy that can play eighty five to ninety percent

1206
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: of the time. Billy Bowman's gonna be rotational. You're gonna

1207
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: be able to play him on the back end. He's

1208
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: also going to be able to give you some hell

1209
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: up in the slot. But I think he's a player

1210
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: that could, certainly, if you're gonna do that situationally, fill

1211
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: that role.

1212
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that for right now. I don't think

1213
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: they necessarily need anything more than a Deron Harmon in

1214
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: terms of snap usage and playing over the top. So

1215
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: I would be comfortable with like a mid round guy

1216
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 2: like Billy Bowman in that spot. Starks is interesting to

1217
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: me because I do wonder if his combine pushes him

1218
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: down kind of like Brian branch treatment style.

1219
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: That bad? Was it?

1220
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: He didn't run very well?

1221
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: Didn't Brian Branch run like a four to six? Yeah?

1222
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: No, I would say Brian Branch was more in trouble

1223
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: than him. Maybe, yeah, But Stark says, I still feel like,

1224
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: if I can look it up, but if I remember

1225
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: correctly off the top of my head, he had one

1226
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: of those trust the tape type of combines, and there

1227
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: are yeah, like there are some things on his tape too.

1228
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: I didn't actually think that his tape was it didn't

1229
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: blow me away.

1230
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: Four or five flat thirty three inch vertical having two

1231
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: three cone four four or five shots.

1232
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. That's not great for you know,

1233
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 2: a guy that's supposed to be playing in space in

1234
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: the NFL. Right, So I would say that there's a

1235
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: chance that Stark slips a little bit. Was he gonna

1236
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: slip all the way to thirty eight? Like? Probably not,

1237
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: but especially in a draft like this, But there's a

1238
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: chance just because of that combine that you know, the

1239
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: athletic testing knocks him down a little bit. Like when

1240
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: I first started the process with the draft I it

1241
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: starts was on my short list of guys because of

1242
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: you know, top ten, top fifteen consideration. I didn't think

1243
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: the tape was like that eye opening to me. I

1244
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: wasn't blown away by what I saw. A good pursuit

1245
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: player against the run has some versatility to you know,

1246
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: he can play the nickel, he can play up top,

1247
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: he can play in the box. He had some issues

1248
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: with the angles and you know, tracking the ball down

1249
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: the field from his perch, and it got beat badly

1250
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: in that Texas game. I think it was I think

1251
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: it was golden. That sounds right, yeah, and he just

1252
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: he dove, you know for the ball and as it

1253
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: over the top, missed it and then you know, sixty

1254
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: yard touchdown right behind him. So there was some like

1255
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: little things like that with his film that I didn't

1256
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: think were It wasn't blown away, which was there, Like Branch.

1257
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: Branch was a hell of a college player like that.

1258
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: That was all overthink with the combine. If stars fell

1259
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: a little bit, I don't think it would be as

1260
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 2: much of an overthink for teams. So we'll see about that.

1261
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: Paul is in Wallthams, I'd say, I don't know. I

1262
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: just went blind for some reason. Paul, what's up?

1263
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 4: Thank guys.

1264
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: How you doing. I just got one quick question for

1265
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 5: you coming out of this first few days of creagency.

1266
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 5: What would you rank the three to four biggest holes

1267
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: on the roster still and how would you rank them

1268
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 5: in terms of we need this sorted by August first

1269
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 5: we can try again next to season.

1270
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks for the call, Paul. That's a great segue

1271
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: because that's exactly what I wanted to talk about next.

1272
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 2: So I think four is a good number. That's right

1273
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: about where I'm at right now.

1274
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

1275
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: The two biggest are obviously wide receiver and left tackle.

1276
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: You're going to order though I'd flip those.

1277
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I probably would too. But I think the

1278
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: difference is to me, is that at left tackle, like

1279
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: if they signed, if they acquired, whatever way they go

1280
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: about it, a Morgan Moses level talent to play left tackle,

1281
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that.

1282
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: That Cam Robinson.

1283
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Cam Robinson, I don't know. We can talk

1284
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: about Cam Robinson here in.

1285
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: Not Cam Robinson. I don't know who it is.

1286
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: But my point is is that if they got NFL

1287
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 2: average left tackle, I'd feel okay, whereas NFL average at

1288
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Isn't enough, right, they already have that. They

1289
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: need better talent that wide receiver, Whereas I think you

1290
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 2: can get away with having NFL average at the tackle spots,

1291
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: so that that might be the one little difference in

1292
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: terms of order there for me. But wide receiver left tackle,

1293
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna be pounding the table for an interior linement.

1294
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 2: I whether it's a center, it's a guard. So sign

1295
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 2: somebody that in this veteran market that has played the position. Again,

1296
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: just like Morgan Moses, like, just give me someone that

1297
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 2: has played the position at an NFL starting level.

1298
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 6: You know.

1299
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: It can be average, it can be adequate, but I

1300
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: just want a body there that I can trust, sure

1301
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: that I'm not putting all of my eggs in Cole Strange,

1302
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson City. So Ben Brown, you know, to pull

1303
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: out two starters from that group. Let's pull out one

1304
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: starter from that group instead of two, And I feel

1305
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: a lot better. On the defense side of the ball,

1306
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: I still think they're an edge rusher short. I think

1307
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: they need a pass rusher off the edge. It doesn't

1308
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: they have enough, you know, Landry Anthony Jennings. They have

1309
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: enough edge setters, somebody's just gonna pin his years back

1310
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: third down Joshua Roll. You know, someone that's gonna be

1311
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: a really good situational pass rush.

1312
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: But that like I don't know if we're just doing freegency,

1313
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: Like I feel really good about finding that guy on daytieh.

1314
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 2: No draft is open on this as well. I would

1315
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: say that that's a draft pick, you know, whether it's

1316
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: somebody h on Day two on the second round. I

1317
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: mean as Iraku princely, I'm not going to try to

1318
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: pronounce his last name, and there we go. Who I

1319
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: really liked by the way I watched him, every little

1320
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: bit of recency bias with him, but I watched him

1321
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: recently but before free agency. He's a good player.

1322
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: He's in the YouTube check because they can literally get

1323
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: josh Uchek.

1324
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm a free agent. Yeah, we've done that.

1325
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: But those two guys, you know, I don't know if

1326
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: as Iraku will make it to thirty eight. He might

1327
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: be a late first.

1328
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: If this is a thing where there's so many good

1329
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: edge rushers that guys get there's so many limits at

1330
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: other positions like receiver even quarterback right that guys get

1331
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: pushed down because teams are okay being patient.

1332
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not totally ruling out your Ohio State guys yet.

1333
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's exactly what they need for the Yeah,

1334
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know if how much they're gonna trust

1335
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: Keon White as a four to three n YEA canon

1336
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: the dirt player. Jack Sawyer is definitely that, you know,

1337
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 2: he's a hand in the dirt four three end. So

1338
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: maybe if they look at it in terms of projecting

1339
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: starting roles years from now, right like two years from now,

1340
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: three years from now, maybe you could go in that

1341
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: direction still, But I think we're all kind of gravitating

1342
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: now more towards Princely Donovan Azarouki as a rock O

1343
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 2: shore third round. You know my guy Josiah Stewart, you know,

1344
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 2: just like a screamer off the edge like that I

1345
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: think would go a long way. And and we've mentioned

1346
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: free safety multiple times, like I feel like free safety

1347
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: is still one of those positions that they can get,

1348
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: they can get better at, and have somebody that is

1349
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: truly comfortable playing center field.

1350
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: If I was gonna do like the Big four right now,

1351
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: rank them left tackle wide receiver, but like a starting

1352
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver, not some guy that's gonna plug into the

1353
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: middle of the depth chart right, muddy things further right,

1354
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: left tackle unquestioned. Top of the depth chart. Wide receiver

1355
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: would be two, free safety would be three, guard would

1356
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: be four. And then I'll also just sneak in there.

1357
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: And these are drafts specific. I do still want to

1358
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: see them even though Austin Hooper's back, I do still

1359
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: want to see them draft the tight end. I want

1360
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: to see them tap into this class and get the

1361
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: next guy in the pipeline because Henry and Hooper both

1362
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: over thirty, and I do want to see them draft

1363
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: a running back, get some more depth in that room,

1364
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: and also maybe push Stevenson and Gibson on the depth chart.

1365
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: Well that was you know, another good thing kind of

1366
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: byproduct of what they did on Day one at free

1367
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: agency is I feel like they still have enough picks

1368
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: that they can make some of those luxury They have

1369
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: some flexibility to do that because they don't need to

1370
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: desperately sign or draft like three defensive linemen because they

1371
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: didn't get anybody in free agency, or you know, get

1372
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: a run stuffing linebacker in the draft, which I thought

1373
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: was maybe like a sneaky need for the team. So

1374
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: I look at you know, outside corner, another one.

1375
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: Like that bus to check.

1376
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: They easily could have drafted a Carlon Davis type player

1377
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: on Day two or or you know, middle rounds of

1378
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: this draft because out of necessity, because they needed to

1379
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: fill that hole. Now they don't because of the way

1380
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: that they've handled free agency so far. So they can

1381
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: take a running back over the top. They can take

1382
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: a tight end you know, even still and add him

1383
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: to that room. And maybe it's more of a competition

1384
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: with Jahem Bell, you know, to make the roster there

1385
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: at tight end, or maybe all four of them make

1386
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: the roster.

1387
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: I again, forget about Robbie, you know full back. Would

1388
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: you would you be in on them signing use check.

1389
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: I said this yesterday and everybody mocked me because I

1390
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: think I called him Kyle. Then yeah, I called him

1391
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: Kyle and say, you know, first name basis right, Kyle Shanahan. Uh.

1392
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: It worries me that Kyle Shanahan thinks that he's cooked.

1393
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: Like if Kyle Shanahan think that he's cooked, or they

1394
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: just totally hitting the reset.

1395
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 2: Button over there, Kyle, that's like a that's like Kyle

1396
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: Shanahan's like fifth son, Like you're like, I don't how

1397
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: many sons he had. I just made that number up

1398
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: like that that. But you know what I'm trying to.

1399
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: If Kyle Shanahan Robbie and is clearing the way, no,

1400
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: I like, I remember.

1401
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago. This was a long time ago.

1402
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, we're getting old. It's probably like around twenty nineteen. Yeah,

1403
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I was at the Combine and this was

1404
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: when Bill was still here. So Belichick never talked at

1405
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: the Combine. So you never had any real Patriots stuff.

1406
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: Well you know the drill now, so you never had

1407
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: any Patriot stuff on that Tuesday.

1408
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: Right right.

1409
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: So I would just you know, bounce around this guy.

1410
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: Go to the Giants because Odell Beckham might get traded.

1411
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: Go here because that guy might get traded. And of

1412
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: course when Kyle Shanahan talked, you know, you know where,

1413
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 2: I was front and center, and I asked him about

1414
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: fullbacks and like his how he uses fullbacks, and this

1415
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 2: guy wax poetic about Kyle used checking the full back.

1416
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: And he told me at that time that he will

1417
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: never have a roster that doesn't feature a fullback, like

1418
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 2: he will always have a fullback on his team. Period.

1419
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: So everybody in Francisco forty nine at rob uotss coming, everybody.

1420
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: Thinks Kyle used Check is probably the best fullback in football,

1421
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: maybe in the history of football. And and you're telling

1422
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: me that Kyle Shanahan is cutting that player like that.

1423
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 2: That speaks to me then tells me that he might

1424
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 2: be he might be cooked, he might be washed.

1425
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: So is Deebo cooked? Then can we say that?

1426
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: I think that's a little because I took him for

1427
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: saying that, is it. Kyle Shanahan's giving up on him?

1428
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: Apparently this is the rule's moving on from players they're

1429
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: cold back like that. That's different.

1430
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: I I think you just got to take corner and

1431
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: saying no.

1432
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 2: It's different. It's a different. It's not different, it's different.

1433
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: I don't understand how. So Deebo Samuel might be washed.

1434
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: That's all right? So well I got yelled at for

1435
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: saying that. So this is what can we say Deebo's

1436
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: watch Then if we're saying that, this means Kyle used

1437
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: Check is washed.

1438
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: Before we go back to the funds, I want to

1439
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: go back to those needs that we talked about to

1440
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: start throwing some names out there. Well, let's start with

1441
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I think we have to talk about the

1442
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup of it all. Uh Cup check if you will?

1443
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: How long even hold on an that one?

1444
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: I thought of that one last night. I think we

1445
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: have to we talk talk about it if we're honest

1446
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 2: about the type of player that Cooper Cup is now.

1447
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: And if you look at his advanced metrics, you know, separation,

1448
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 2: yards after the catch, contested catchability, it is a precipitous

1449
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: drop year after year from twenty twenty one his nineteen

1450
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: hundred yards season. Right, yeah, we're from twenty twenty one.

1451
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 2: Each year gets progressively worse in terms of the analytics

1452
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 2: of it all is getting older. So you look at

1453
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 2: all that and you look at a team like the Rams,

1454
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 2: who won no offense better than maybe anybody, and maybe

1455
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: the brightest offensive mine in the league running the team

1456
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: in Sean McVay and two are one of the most

1457
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: analytically driven organizations in the league. They are telling you

1458
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: that Cooper Cup can't run anymore, is what I'm worried about.

1459
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: Their metrics, their their science is telling you that he

1460
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: has no more burst, or he doesn't have the same burst. Right,

1461
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: that would be concerning to me, all these things are

1462
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: concerning to me. With that being said, I'm coming around

1463
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: to the idea of whether it's Cooper Cup, it's Stefan Diggs,

1464
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 2: it's Amari Cooper, one of these aging star receivers for

1465
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: a team like the Patriots that keeps striking out at

1466
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: this position, you know, Godwin metcalf A, Yuke Ridley, Like

1467
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 2: Dyuke's out there again. Apparently they might need to take

1468
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: a chance on one of these guys, is my point.

1469
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: And I think the hope would be that he is

1470
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: able to still be like a wide receiver too on

1471
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: a depth chart. Yeah, and then maybe in the draft,

1472
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: and this is kind of my other big take about

1473
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 2: wide receiver, maybe in the draft you go out and

1474
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: get the guy, you know, the true number one receiver.

1475
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 2: But at this stage of his career, can Cooper Cup

1476
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: be the number two guy? Like? Can he be a

1477
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: number two guy? I'm willing to take that chance if

1478
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: the money is right. And I would also mention that

1479
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good fit in the slot

1480
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 2: for Josh McDaniels. I think that he understands space and

1481
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 2: he understands how to find soft spots and zones. I

1482
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: think he understands how to run option routes. Certainly understands

1483
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: how to run option routes. That's all he ran for

1484
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,839
Speaker 2: Sean McVay, you know, or those choice routes in their offense.

1485
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: So he understands and has a great feel for the

1486
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 2: middle of the field. Like I do think stylistically he's

1487
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 2: a nice fit with McDaniels, Like if Godwin was like

1488
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 2: the apex of this player that might be available, it

1489
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: would make sense for them to pivot stylistically to Cooper

1490
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: Cup And Okay, now you don't necessarily need to have

1491
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: him via trade, right, you can just get him if

1492
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: he's released at four o'clock. So I'm coming around to

1493
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: the idea of just taking a flyer on one of

1494
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 2: these guys and hoping that the fountain of youth, you know, delivers,

1495
01:10:58,840 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: you know, for a year or two.

1496
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. I at this point, I'm kind of like,

1497
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: all right, well, you choose between the age with Cup.

1498
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm out of the Mari Cooper. I don't

1499
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: think Mark Coop is gonna give you anything. Yeah, you're

1500
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: choosing between the age with Cup and the injury concerned

1501
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: with Stefan Diggs. I think those are your two options.

1502
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: I am very much on the record. Just be nervous

1503
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: about wide receivers coming off injury. I said about Godwin,

1504
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: I said about Ayuk. Everybody knows how much I like Diggs,

1505
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: how great of a player I think he is. I

1506
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: think the character stuff's overblown. I mean, he was named

1507
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: a captain last year in his first year in Houston. Like, yeah,

1508
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: he's a littles center, Show me good receiver. That isn't right.

1509
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: The guy clearly locked in when because the way then

1510
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: the buffalo? But was that his fault? Or is everybody's

1511
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: golden boy? Maybe not his gold and his play? Did

1512
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: joel and beat m VP?

1513
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 2: He I I don't know this.

1514
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: This isn't necessarily me saying sign Stefan Diggs because it's

1515
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: coming off the torn a cl When will he be ready?

1516
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: You've seen them try to do this with guys before.

1517
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: But if it comes down to Diggs or Cup, I

1518
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: think he can make as strong a case for either.

1519
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say I would consider

1520
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 1: Diggs as strongly I was as I would consider Cup.

1521
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: But I don't know that. I'm I feel strongly one

1522
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: way or the other. Like I wouldn't hate seeing them

1523
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: at one of those guys at this point what things

1524
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: have come to. But I don't know. You want to

1525
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: tell me that a cut makes sense because he fits

1526
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: more in the offense and he's at least healthy or

1527
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 1: healthier and fine, you want to tell me Diggs is

1528
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: the answer because he's more of what they need in

1529
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: theory when he's healthy, and he has more upside as

1530
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: that number one guy and he's not quite as old.

1531
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: I could buy that argument too. I don't know I

1532
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 1: could go either way on either one of them, but

1533
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: I would consider them both equally.

1534
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs was better last year, no doubt about it.

1535
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: Like Stefan Diggs was still a top fifteen receiver in

1536
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: the league when he was healthy last year, so he

1537
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: certainly has a much higher ceiling. Like Stefan Diggs, you

1538
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: could sign him and if he somehow bounces back with

1539
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: no setbacks or anything like that from the ACL, he's

1540
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: a number one receiver. Cooper Cup isn't at anymore. I

1541
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: think the biggest thing that you see with Cooper Cup

1542
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: on tape is he used to be a demon after

1543
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: the catch, right Like he would catch the ball and

1544
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 2: he'd be shot out of the cannon. He run those

1545
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: like five to six yard option routes, you know, those

1546
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 2: juke routes as wiggle routes over the middle, and he

1547
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: would catch it and he would just be out of

1548
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 2: the of the of the gates. He's not he doesn't

1549
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: have that kind of juice anymore. So now on third

1550
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: and three, when he catches that option rout over the middle,

1551
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: he might get you four yards, yeah, but he's not

1552
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: getting you fourteen, whereas in twenty twenty one he was

1553
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: getting you fourteen twenty twenty twenty five yards after the catch,

1554
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: and that was you know why he had such a

1555
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: great season. But he's not that player anymore. He can

1556
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: still move the chains, he's just not going to run

1557
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: by anybody or run through anybody. Stefan des can still

1558
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 2: be a number one receiver just because he's healthier and

1559
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: you're not worried about the whole ACL recovery and all that.

1560
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: I'd probably lean towards Scooper Cup just a little bit,

1561
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: but I hear I I wouldn't I opposed to either.

1562
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: At this point, you're kind of crossing your fingers and

1563
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: hoping either way, right.

1564
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So but I think they're in a position where

1565
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 2: they need to cross their fingers and hope, So why

1566
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 2: not get the guy that may be hopeful a little

1567
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: bit more just because I think he's gonna be available

1568
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 2: to start the season. Like, I think that's big.

1569
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: And also, so here's the flip side of it. I

1570
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: think you could argue that we broke this down before

1571
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: and we were talking about mac Hollins, like you're gonna

1572
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: have this roster crunch. Yeah, this is sort of what

1573
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: they did with Kendrick Borne last year. Well, now you

1574
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of save a roster spot. You see in September,

1575
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: who's who works in this new system from the young

1576
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: guys who doesn't, and then Diggs comes in once you

1577
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: kind of have that all figured out, like you're not

1578
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: losing that much. So Diggs got hurt in October, right Halloween? Yeah,

1579
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: so he again is the same time Kendrick Bourne did. Right,

1580
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 1: So kenn Bourne came back and what he's a player.

1581
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,799
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna So that means no off season program,

1582
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 2: no training camp, no preseason.

1583
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: That's true.

1584
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: Like you you start to build these things up, like

1585
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: when's the first time that Stefan Diggs is gonna catch

1586
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 2: passes from Drake may like it will be Halloween weekend

1587
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five right when he's back on the field.

1588
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: So I just look at Cooper Cup and I think

1589
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: healthier to start the season would help because now he's

1590
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: in the room. Now he's doing all the intangible stuff

1591
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 2: that I think people are doing that.

1592
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: Even for you are I'll say with Cup two last

1593
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: three years, nine games, twelve games games, No, he's been

1594
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: banged up. That's a guy you worry about being her production.

1595
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: Is in his in his advanced metrics have catered like

1596
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: or cretered. Excuse me, like he's not He's not the

1597
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: guy he was anymore. He's not.

1598
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 1: I know. It's you're making valid points.

1599
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: Again.

1600
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't hate if they added one of them.

1601
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna if they signed one

1602
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 1: of them, I would say that I should have had

1603
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: the other. Right, I think you can make a case

1604
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: for both of them. It's just sort of what you're

1605
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: looking for, what you value in that signing.

1606
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: All I'm making the case for because I agree with

1607
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: that last point that you just made. All I'm making

1608
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 2: the case for is that a team like the Patriots

1609
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 2: has to take a fire on one of these guys.

1610
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: That's all I'm making the case for. Take a fire

1611
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: on one of them. At best, maybe you strike gold

1612
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: and Steffan Diggs ends up going back to Buffalo. Stefan Diggs,

1613
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: it is a great player for you. At worst, you

1614
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 2: have a veteran adult in the room, been there, done

1615
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: it at a high level who can maybe be like

1616
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: a wide receiver two for a year or two and

1617
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 2: teach some of the young guys and bring them along.

1618
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: Can you have a receiver in the draft that your

1619
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: comp was Diggs?

1620
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Matthew Golden.

1621
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, draft Matthew Golden, So Digs he can teach them.

1622
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 2: So here's my other takeout wide receiver. I am coming

1623
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: more and more to the to terms the wrong word,

1624
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 2: but like around to considering a offensive skill player at

1625
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: four overall on this drift because two things. One, I

1626
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 2: can't get that quote from Vrabel out of my head

1627
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: from the combine when we had the Yeah press conference

1628
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: scrum and he mentioned that like a lot of the

1629
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 2: time at that position, you have to draft your own Yep.

1630
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 2: I can't get that out of my head. Like he's right,

1631
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, they're not going to have somebody gift them

1632
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: a wide receiver one right, I hate that term. But

1633
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: they're not gonna a top wide receiver, right, They're not

1634
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: gonna gift him to you, Okay. And those guys don't

1635
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 2: want to come here, like you can't get them to

1636
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: come here. I don't know what the exact number was,

1637
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: but they tried to aggressively pursue Gris God would and

1638
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: pry him out of Tampa, and he took less money

1639
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: to not come here, significantly less. Dk Metcalf I don't

1640
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 2: think was ever seriously considering a trade to the Patriot.

1641
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: Sounds like they weren't considering it either.

1642
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: But I don't think that that was I don't think

1643
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 2: he was taking your money. Brandon Ayuk wouldn't take your money.

1644
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley wouldn't take your money last year. So all

1645
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 2: these players are telling you it's just not a desirable

1646
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: enough situation yet to land in New England. It just

1647
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: isn't so what I would consider at four overall. If

1648
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: it has to be four overall, we're talking Ted McMillan,

1649
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 2: we're talking Tyler Warren. I don't think we're talking Matthew

1650
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: Golden like I think that's really rich for Matthew Golden,

1651
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: but he's getting a lot of you know, top receiver

1652
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: in this class wide receiver.

1653
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: Cling for Golden. Let's say you can trade down, you

1654
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: trade down to ten. You're taking Golden at ten?

1655
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 2: I might. Yeah, So I think we're talking those guys.

1656
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 2: And because they made me yesterday, I'll put gent in

1657
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: there too, like you do have to.

1658
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can put them at the bottom of list.

1659
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: How about this one though, Let's say they don't sign

1660
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: the left tackle. Let's say they don't sign Cam Robinson,

1661
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: and I don't feel great about, you know, any of

1662
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: the other guys that are out there being a definitive answer.

1663
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: Maybe they're competing with Darien Lowe and they win the job,

1664
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: but they're not a definitive answer. After all of this, Yes,

1665
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: after this, this whole freaking cycle, and I'm going back

1666
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: to August when we were doing shows in that other

1667
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: room when they were building the studio, right, Yeah, after

1668
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: all this, is there a chance we come back around

1669
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: to the conversation turning into Will Campbell versus Tat McMillan.

1670
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: I really am after all of this.

1671
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: That was the two guys we said, it's either gonna

1672
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: be the top left tackle in the draft, or the

1673
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: top wide receiver in the draft. Those two were in.

1674
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: This is assuming Carter and Hunter off the board. Those

1675
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: were the two guys we were looking at at the

1676
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: top of those respective positions. There's been some reporting that

1677
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots may still see Campbell as a tackle. To

1678
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: your point, Mike Rabel said that thing about the wide receiver.

1679
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: If McMillan's at the top of their board. We went

1680
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: through Abdol Carter, we went through Travis Hunter, We went

1681
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 1: through this weird phase where they were definitely trading down.

1682
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: Then it was you know, well.

1683
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: Maybe this or maybe that six weeks ago. I mean,

1684
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: we're gonna go through.

1685
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 1: No, but I'm saying, is there a chance that by

1686
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: the end of this, because we're gonna do Ted McMillan

1687
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: and Matthew Golden and Tyler Warren and Ashton Genty right now,

1688
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: by the end of this, do we end up back

1689
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: where we started at August, where it's Will Campbell, Ted McMillan,

1690
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: who's your guy? And that's the conversation.

1691
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: I feel like this happens every year. I mean, maybe

1692
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: we're not. When they were picking lower we could really know,

1693
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 2: but like we did this last year, Like we all

1694
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: came out of the gate and said quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,

1695
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: and then you know, everybody started to talk themselves out

1696
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks and then.

1697
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 1: Not all of us, not all of us. But I'm

1698
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 1: just saying this was a pretty consensus around them.

1699
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: You know, consensus for the most part too. Like, obviously

1700
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,560
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter would be the dream in this scenario that

1701
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm I'm picturing right now as as your top wide receiver.

1702
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: But like when you look at that group, I think

1703
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: it's it's a real strong consideration. You're not going to

1704
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: get Abdul Carter, right, I think that's a that's an

1705
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:50,799
Speaker 2: absolute pipe dream.

1706
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: There.

1707
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,560
Speaker 2: There's not a Joe Alt tackle in this draft. You know,

1708
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 2: Will Campbell at four to be an absolutely gigantic arm

1709
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: length wingspan outlier. Yeah, is a risky proposition. And my

1710
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: point being with like, let's just say it's Tech McMillan,

1711
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: because I think he's probably the best player out out

1712
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: of this group to fit this this argument besides Travis Hunter.

1713
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: With Tep McMillan. Okay, so let's say Tep McMillan is

1714
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: really only should really be cast as as a second

1715
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 2: wide receiver right, like he's.

1716
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 1: Just let's say he's Drake London. We'll go back to sure.

1717
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 2: Liket's say he's Drake London. Is say it's T Higgins,

1718
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: like he's a he's a wide receiver too. Really, well,

1719
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: if you're that much better in twenty five and he's

1720
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: a really good player in twenty five, now in twenty six,

1721
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: like you might be able to get DK Metcalf, you

1722
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: might be able to get that true number one.

1723
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 1: The Bengals got Higgins before they got chased, right, Yeah,

1724
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: to have that timeline right right, that's a ssue what

1725
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:55,879
Speaker 1: you're saying.

1726
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: Great point, right, like maybe your order operations isn't perfect,

1727
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: but you just put a good enough product, Like you

1728
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: get to that floor where you put a good enough

1729
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: product on the field. Next year, Drake may takes those

1730
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: next steps where now all of a sudden, in twenty

1731
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 2: twenty six, you are a wide receiver destination and also.

1732
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: What looks like a mutt in long way out but

1733
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: what looks like a much better wide receiver track.

1734
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: Sure, or you know someone comes free and via trade

1735
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 2: again or or free agency again, probably trade and now

1736
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 2: that player wants to come here, So I don't necessarily

1737
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 2: even need Ted McMillan to be the answer to all

1738
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: the problems. He might just be a step towards the end.

1739
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: But are you okay taking that guy at four? I

1740
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: think there'd be people saying, well, if you take the

1741
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: guy at four, he should be the guy at the

1742
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: top the depth truck.

1743
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 2: But he still has a chance to be that. I

1744
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: still think he has a ceiling that could be that.

1745
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: But my point being is that it's not this end

1746
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: of the world scenario if he's not that, Like, if

1747
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: he's not that, then at least you still have a

1748
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: really good high end wide receiver too, And in twenty

1749
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 2: twenty six you go for the big fit should get Like,

1750
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: what's so wrong with that scenario? Like why is that

1751
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 2: such a bad?

1752
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: Hell? I don't hate that.

1753
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: And the last thing I would just say about it

1754
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 2: at the top of the draft is that I don't

1755
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: see a lot of separation between these players, Like if

1756
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 2: you throw Teed McMillan, Mason Graham, Will Campbell, mikel Williams,

1757
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Jalon Walker, Tyler Warren, like, I don't see the talent

1758
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 2: level being all that different across these players. And I

1759
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 2: keep saying the same thing, like this is gonna be

1760
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 2: as much about fit for each individual team as it's

1761
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: gonna be best player available. It's so easy to sit

1762
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: here and just say, just draft the best player on

1763
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: your board. This year's there's not gonna be a lot

1764
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: of separation between these guys. There's not gonna be that. Okay,

1765
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, this guy's a blue chip prospect and this

1766
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: guy isn't. Like that doesn't exist in this draft. Pass

1767
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. So if I can easily

1768
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,640
Speaker 2: tell you that Travis or that Teed McMillan is going

1769
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 2: to be as good of a player as Mason, like,

1770
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 2: I think that that's an easy thing to pitch. So

1771
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm coming around to that because of what Rabel said

1772
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: at the combine. I'm coming around to it because it

1773
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 2: just what's the best pick for the football team might

1774
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: be that, And just to finish that take, when we

1775
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: get into the left tackle conversation, I don't hate the

1776
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 2: idea of trading back up into the back end of

1777
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: the first round to get the next wave of tackles, right,

1778
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 2: Get Josh Connerly, get a Josh Simmons. Maybe at that point,

1779
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: if you sign somebody in free agency like Cam Robinson

1780
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: on a bridge contract that could make some sense. Arianti Ursery, right,

1781
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: might start to make sense now at the top of

1782
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: the second or late first, like, there are options like

1783
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: that in this draft in that twenty to forty range

1784
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: that you can still come out of the draft with

1785
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: a guy that can play the left side, that has

1786
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 2: the upside to be a starting caliber left tackle. So

1787
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 2: it's not like you're completely missing out on the tackle either,

1788
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 2: Like would you In my mind, I'm just getting to

1789
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 2: the point now where you know, I've kind of written

1790
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 2: off Will Campbell as a guard, Like, I don't think

1791
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: that it's a.

1792
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: Why huge choice they have. That was more the point

1793
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: I was making with the full circle regardless of what

1794
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: we maybe, do you think they've written him off?

1795
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I go inside information, Yeah, I just I don't

1796
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: necessarily think that they would take a complete outlier at

1797
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: four overall, right now, I don't think this regime has

1798
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 2: enough built up like Cachet to take that kind of

1799
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: pick and have him turn out to be a guard,

1800
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: right and have it turned out to work that out

1801
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: that way for them. So would you rather, and this

1802
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 2: is the draft, would you rather? Tet McMillan, and let's

1803
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 2: just call it because I think it's the most realistic

1804
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: in terms of not trading all around the board Tech

1805
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: McMillan and Arianta Ursery or Will Campbell and insert you

1806
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: know day two wide receiver here, Jayden Higgins.

1807
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: Jaden Higgins. Sure, probably McMillan a Nursery.

1808
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: That's just the way I'm leaning right now, because I

1809
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 2: at least I know those two guys are built to

1810
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 2: play the positions we're going to try to play a

1811
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: man right like you and you're not trying to put

1812
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 2: a guard at tackle or you know, a right tackle

1813
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 2: at left tackle or a left tackle at right tackle

1814
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 2: like everybody ten. McMillan's an x arionte Ersery is a

1815
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 2: left tackle, yes, and we're not messing around, and neither

1816
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 2: of them are.

1817
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: Hurt, and neither of them are like they're just they're

1818
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, high floor picks. That's essentially what

1819
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: you're campaigning for here, high floor picks. Yeah, all right,

1820
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: and then well, Ursery is the ceiling guy. I don't

1821
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: want to put Ursery in that like he's not a

1822
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: floor guy, but in the way you're phrasing it, yeah,

1823
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what they need, right now right,

1824
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: there a third one in there for you. Sure, there's

1825
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: a little more maneuvering on the board, but this is

1826
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: like the trade down trade up thing. Yeah, Matthew Golden,

1827
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, Yeah, yeah, and I I know, but I'm

1828
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 1: saying like that or McMillan a nursery.

1829
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 2: So here's my my other part of this take, right,

1830
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm also coming around to Obviously, Cam Robinson is not

1831
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 2: having the market Cam Robinson was expecting to have. If

1832
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: there was an offer out there for Cam Robinson for

1833
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,640
Speaker 2: three for sixty, he would be signed already right like that,

1834
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: that would be done. So his market is maybe lukewarm.

1835
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: And I know that there's been some reporting. I think

1836
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 2: Breer added that there's some concern about motivation and just

1837
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: effort and all those kinds of things with Cam Robinson.

1838
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: So is it and I'm just kind of facilitating here,

1839
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: is it a good scenario for the Patriots too? Maybe

1840
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 2: you signed Cam robinsonto a one year deal that is

1841
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: basically the deal that the Jets gave Tyron Smith last year.

1842
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 2: It's one for like fifteen.

1843
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: Issues significant money, but just for one year.

1844
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 2: And it's incentive laden. And at that point you at

1845
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 2: least again have a player on the roster that has

1846
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: played left tackle in the NFL at a starting caliber level.

1847
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 2: And now you can draft Josh Simmons, where now you

1848
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: can draft the high ups.

1849
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: You have to get Robinson to take the contract.

1850
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I'm just saying that now that it.

1851
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: Would open that up a little bit.

1852
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1853
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 1: Like I know, I've been very anti them drafting Josh Simmons.

1854
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: If he's not the first player they take and they

1855
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: get a guy like Cam Robinson on the roster, I

1856
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know that it would be my favorite pick, But

1857
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: it makes a lot more sense now.

1858
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 2: That that's another logical scenario for them. Yeah, because right

1859
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 2: now the lev tackles in free agency, it's Cam Robinson.

1860
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: It's right, Like I know so many people like Jedrick Wills.

1861
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 1: Just the way it ended last year in Cleveland, I'm

1862
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: not sure that's the kind of guy they're looking to add. Now,

1863
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: maybe you could say Robinson isn't neither, but Robinson's a

1864
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 1: much more proven player, right.

1865
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 2: So I think it's Robinson or busting free agency. If

1866
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to invest in Robinson again, I'm thinking of

1867
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: one year deal, high money, high guarantee. It resets his value.

1868
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: It gives the Patriots a safety net if their draft

1869
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 2: pick doesn't work out.

1870
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: But you also have a draft you also want to

1871
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: have a draft pick in the building to push him

1872
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: one hundred.

1873
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you still absolutely need to draft to a

1874
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 2: left tackle in the top fifty. Like there's guy's not debatable.

1875
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, top one hundred. I'd call it top one, top fifty.

1876
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: If you get like Anthony Belton, that's seventy seven. I

1877
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: think that.

1878
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 2: Nope, no, higher disagree then Connerley Ursery, Josh Simmons, one

1879
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: of those guys has to be on this roster.

1880
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: Just the scenario, Well, we're kind of updating takes post

1881
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: for agency, and we're on tackles. Membo, we're done with

1882
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 1: for the Patriots, We're done with arm On Membo. I think, so,

1883
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you. He's a right tackle. He's a

1884
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: good right tackle. Yeah, but he's a right tackle.

1885
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1886
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's probably only one year for Morgan Moses.

1887
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: I'm not using a top ten pick to get a

1888
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: future right tackle.

1889
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 2: Like no, And I'm not out on like Ozzy Traprilo.

1890
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no.

1891
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: If you want to get the next guy right, you draft,

1892
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: even the third round and he's the next guy.

1893
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: We don't want to do that afore right. Yeah.

1894
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: I we'll see where Covin Banks ends up. Yeah, I

1895
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 2: think he's at Covin Banks is going to settle at

1896
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: a top twenty pick. Like, I don't think that he's

1897
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: gonna have this fall that some people think that he's

1898
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: gonna have. But we'll see where he ends up. You know,

1899
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: is there a chance that he I think Amarius Mims

1900
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: went twenty last year exactly, Like if he's at twenty, Like,

1901
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,680
Speaker 2: can you make that trade? It's eighteen spots, it's a

1902
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 2: big trade, but can you make it happen? Right? And

1903
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 2: maybe you actually get Banks.

1904
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably close to that's pretty close to

1905
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: the trade when they moved back and got Dugger, Yeah,

1906
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: which was twenty three for I think thirty six and

1907
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: seventy one. Yeah, so you throw in like a future

1908
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: day three pick. Maybe he gets it done. Yeah, yeah,

1909
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: that would make it. And you're talking about Banks as

1910
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: a left.

1911
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: Tackle, correct, Yeah, yeah, that could work right, So you know,

1912
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 2: you trade back up into the twenties and you kind

1913
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 2: of put yourself on the board for Banks, potentially Connorly Simmons,

1914
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 2: like all those guys at the back end of the

1915
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 2: first round, I think that that's a viable option as well.

1916
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: So that's left tackle, wide and wide receiver when it

1917
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 2: comes to edge. I mean we've kicked some names around already.

1918
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 2: I still think that you need you need somebody kind

1919
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 2: of a similarly, you know, talking about safety nets like

1920
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if Harold Landry has the juice anymore

1921
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 2: to be a really good, you know, third down pass

1922
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: rusher like I does. The metrics aren't good. They're not

1923
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 2: friendly to him right now in terms of that, So

1924
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 2: maybe he's not that guy anymore. So you might actually

1925
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 2: have to be taking some of these guys off the field,

1926
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 2: like you might still be a little bit situational with

1927
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 2: your rushers, So you need another really good pass rusher

1928
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: off the edge. We mentioned free safety, so we kind

1929
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 2: of threw out names already for those two positions into

1930
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 2: your offensive line. Still a big need to me, I

1931
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 2: am not counting on Robinson so and Strange Nope or better,

1932
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 2: they can compete. I mean, I think they're good, and

1933
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: I think at least like Ben Brown, he's your backup center.

1934
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good situation. But I'm not having those

1935
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: eyes and starting roles without competition, No like it.

1936
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 2: Right now, if they had to play a game tomorrow,

1937
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 2: they still have a Darian little left tackle, which is

1938
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: not well.

1939
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,480
Speaker 1: They don't have play game tomorrow, thankfully.

1940
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: Right but just to play out the exercise, they still

1941
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 2: have a Darian little left tackle, which is not okay

1942
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: with me like that, that can't be it. And at

1943
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 2: left guard they're still at you know, Leyden Robinson, Cole

1944
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 2: Strange City, so competing. I would just like to see

1945
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 2: the mat A veteran body there, you know, Josh Myers

1946
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 2: is a center up pure center from Green Bay. He's

1947
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 2: out there still. I watched a little bit of Tevin

1948
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 2: Jenkins yesterday. I didn't think he moved very well last year.

1949
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,799
Speaker 2: Looks injured. I don't know. There's potentially chronic back issues

1950
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: there with Tevin Jenkins, which would worry me right in

1951
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: terms of his mobility. Uh so that would be maybe

1952
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 2: a little bit concerning. And then a lot of the

1953
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 2: other guys are are our right guards by trade, you know,

1954
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: Kevin Zeitler's of the world, like those guys all are

1955
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: right guards. But I still think that there's there's another

1956
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 2: option there. Maybe it's a true center. Maybe it's it's

1957
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Jenkins to play the left guard spot. Uh. The one

1958
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 2: that I would really now strongly consider is McKai Becton.

1959
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that side.

1960
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the guy Becton at left guard would

1961
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 2: be perfectly fine. I really like the idea becked that

1962
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 2: he might make a little bit too much money for

1963
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: what they're willing to spend there. Uh, but I think

1964
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 2: that McKay Beckton is what exactly what I'm looking for, right, Like,

1965
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Speaker 2: you know, you've said it now, like you're that he's

1966
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 2: your left guard going into next season. So those are

1967
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 2: the spots or anybody else that that I didn't mention

1968
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:33,639
Speaker 2: that are worth mentioning before we go back? Agen, Yeah,

1969
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,600
Speaker 2: that's available. Any nobody else that stands out to you?

1970
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1997
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Speaker 2: bunch of emails, We got people on the phones, So

1998
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 2: you guys are going to close us out here. Randy

1999
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 2: is in Providence. What's up, Brandy?

2000
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 7: Hey? So, a couple of names I was thinking about

2001
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 7: in the draft after a free agency late like day two,

2002
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 7: maybe early day three, like aneas People's ty Robinson, Omar

2003
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 7: Norman Lock guys at interior pass rushers, to like kind

2004
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 7: of build up that spot in case Barmore doesn't come back.

2005
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 7: Also Ola Daho, who is a great run stopper on

2006
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 7: the edge. I also wanted to say Jaden Higgins in

2007
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 7: the second round, right you said? Mike Brabel said you

2008
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 7: need to draft those guys. He drafted aj Brown in

2009
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 7: the second round. He didn't take him top five. I

2010
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 7: think Ted McMillan's vastly overrated. But I also wanted to

2011
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 7: ask you guys, because you guys were at the Senior Bowl,

2012
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:56,600
Speaker 7: right both of you.

2013
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Evan was yep.

2014
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Speaker 7: Okay, So I had heard a report. I don't remember

2015
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 7: exactly where it was, but I heard somebody that was

2016
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 7: there saying like it was kind of like a worst

2017
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 7: kept secret sort of thing that Mike Rabel and staff

2018
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 7: were absolutely in love with Will Campbell. Like thought he

2019
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 7: was the best player in the draft, would take him

2020
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 7: number one to play left tackle, didn't care about his

2021
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 7: arm length, et cetera, et cetera. Mike Rabel, Now, I

2022
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 7: haven't met the man. I'm not friends with the man,

2023
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 7: but he just everything that I see he does in

2024
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 7: terms of hiring, in terms of what I've heard reported

2025
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 7: about him, is that, you know, he's kind of a

2026
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 7: very loyal and maybe sometimes a little stubborn guy. And

2027
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 7: I just wouldn't be surprised and maybe that was the

2028
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 7: plan given everything that they haven't done at left tackle

2029
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 7: and free agency you got did you hear that at

2030
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 7: all at senior ball? Did you get that impression? Do

2031
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 7: you think that could be the plan? And then what

2032
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 7: do you think about Jaden Higgins in the second round,

2033
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 7: because I think he's the best wide receiver prospect in

2034
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 7: this draft personally, he's got better physical tooln't a comparable

2035
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 7: production in a comparable situation.

2036
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Randy appreciated. I didn't hear any

2037
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 2: anything that definitive on Will Campbell. There's been a lot

2038
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: of reporting that the Patriots weren't overly caught up in

2039
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 2: the arm length stuff, right, Like I we have heard

2040
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: that from multiple outlets.

2041
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 1: I'm right or wrong. I still think that there's maybe

2042
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:27,959
Speaker 1: a chance that they view Will Camberl in certain situations

2043
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: as a tackle. I'm not totally writing that off.

2044
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm not totally writing it off. I don't think

2045
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 2: that they're that they were that set in anything.

2046
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that strong, especially like.

2047
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 2: To have that early, to have it that set in

2048
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 2: January is pretty unrealistic to me, especially if they have

2049
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 2: been on the job for like a couple of weeks

2050
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 2: at that point. Like, I just can't imagine that they

2051
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,560
Speaker 2: have had enough intel to be that dead set on

2052
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 2: anybody in this draft. Now that being said, I would

2053
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,639
Speaker 2: be absolutely floored if they had Will Campbell rated higher

2054
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: than Travis Hunter like they have been. There's been reports.

2055
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: We had Elliott Wolf on our draft podcast at the

2056
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Combine really excited about Travis Hunter. Like, I would be

2057
01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 2: absolutely shocked if they think that Travis that Will Campbell

2058
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 2: is a better prospect than Travis Hunter, just from everything

2059
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 2: that we've heard.

2060
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, But all I'm saying is I'm not closing the

2061
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: door on the idea that they view Will Campbell as

2062
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 1: a tackle.

2063
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 2: No, I'm not closing any doors to his point about

2064
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 2: Jaden Higgins. I'm a big Jaden Niggins fan. I think

2065
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: he plays slower than he tested. I don't think he

2066
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: necessarily runs as well as I like that forty booty away.

2067
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to be mid four five's.

2068
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 2: He was four four seven. I did not expect that

2069
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 2: kind of speed out of him. He doesn't play to

2070
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 2: that speed on tape. I'm usually a guy that is

2071
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 2: a tape over combine forty time type of guy, like

2072
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 2: I try to trust it and trust my eye in

2073
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 2: that sense. When I watched Jaden Higgins on tape, I

2074
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 2: thought more crafty than athlete. You know, explosiveness his combine

2075
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: blew me away. I mean he was a great athlete

2076
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:15,959
Speaker 2: in terms of the testing. Yeah, and all walks, you know, agility.

2077
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if he did those, but explosiveness forty

2078
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 2: times size like had it all. He to me is

2079
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 2: more you know the guy that I would comp Jaden

2080
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 2: Higgins too, is like a Michael Pittman in HINDI, where

2081
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 2: like he's big bodied so he can win some of

2082
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,560
Speaker 2: those jump balls down the field. But he's really a

2083
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 2: possession receiver. He's really a first and second level receiver.

2084
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm okay, like I like Jaden Higgins. I'm not saying

2085
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 2: that I think he's a bad prospect. I actually one

2086
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:47,759
Speaker 2: thing that Randy said that he thought that Teed McMillan

2087
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 2: is very overrated. I think we've gone too far in

2088
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 2: that direction with Tet McMillan. Yeah, I think we have

2089
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 2: now underrated Teed McMillan because everybody is saying that he

2090
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:59,960
Speaker 2: was overrated to begin with. I've said time and time

2091
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 2: again that he isn't a Marvin Harrison Molik Neighbors Roma

2092
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 2: Dunees a level prospect. He never was and he never

2093
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 2: is going to be. I would probably have him in

2094
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:13,639
Speaker 2: that conversation in that next wave of last year's class

2095
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 2: with like Brian Thomas Junior and Xavier Worthy and those

2096
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 2: types of players. He's not Marvin Harrison Junior. He's not

2097
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 2: Leak Neighbors. But now I feel like we've gone the

2098
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 2: other direction where like he's he's stiff, and you know,

2099
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 2: Jayden Higgins, who's gonna go on day two and Ted's

2100
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 2: gonna go day one, is actually a better player, like,

2101
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 2: I think that's we're getting a little crazy.

2102
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you. He's still a good player.

2103
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 1: He's just not We've had how many years of these

2104
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 1: generational wide receiver generational I should say in air quotes

2105
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 1: wide receiver prospects. If they're coming every year, they're not generational.

2106
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: And now this year he's just not quite that guy.

2107
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: Sobody thinks he sucks.

2108
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,320
Speaker 2: You have to be realistic about what you're getting. You're

2109
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 2: not getting a field stretcher. You're getting a guy that's

2110
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 2: gonna win with size and fluidity and and you know,

2111
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 2: snappy at the top of the route at the first

2112
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 2: and second level.

2113
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: He's he's not He's not Harry Like. I think that's

2114
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:05,000
Speaker 1: what so many people are.

2115
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 2: Definitely a different player.

2116
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, this is a weird question.

2117
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 1: If what is the comp for Teed McMillan if he's

2118
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 1: a bust right, because it's not if he busts, he's

2119
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: not gonna bust in the way Nikill Hary did.

2120
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you understand what I'm saying.

2121
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like what is maybe to get people to

2122
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: understand this a little more like right ceiling middle floor comps? Right?

2123
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So.

2124
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't. Drake London is not t Higgins is probably

2125
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 1: the ceiling comp.

2126
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean Drake lenn had a

2127
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Speaker 2: great year last.

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01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 1: Drake London is the mid, he's middle to high middle.

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01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:44,360
Speaker 1: Who is the basement bust comp for tech McMillan. I

2130
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:45,719
Speaker 1: don't think it's Nakhill Harry.

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01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 2: I have to think about that. I don't know, Like

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01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't have a great one off the top of

2133
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 2: my head. You know, big body receiver that just can't

2134
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 2: get open would be it would be the game.

2135
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:56,800
Speaker 1: Well, but people would tell you that's Nakhill Harry.

2136
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,479
Speaker 2: But but Nikhil Harry was stiff, like to kill Harry

2137
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 2: was robot. Nikhil Harry had too right, He's still like,

2138
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 2: that's not Teed McMillan.

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01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: Even if you drat, even if he's a bus, he's

2140
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: still gonna have his physical traits.

2141
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:10,640
Speaker 2: TEP McMillan is just not super fast. I don't know,

2142
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 2: was it Quentin Johnson? No, Quentin Johnson's fast. Quentin Johnson's

2143
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: an explosive guy. He just can't catch.

2144
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of looking back through. Oh, well, think

2145
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 1: about it. I'll think about that. Bet john Dotson.

2146
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 2: No, not big enough.

2147
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: Not Cadarius Tony. I'm looking at like previous high draft

2148
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: pick bus not Jalen Rager, Laviskas.

2149
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 2: Chanal, No, Laviskas. Hlt's like Corkal pattern.

2150
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: Oh, Chase Claypool.

2151
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: Maybe that's not a bad one. Chase Coople was a

2152
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 2: great athlete, though Chase Claypole could fly.

2153
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 1: I I always thought that forty was kind of like

2154
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,280
Speaker 1: you said about Higgins, like was he really that fast?

2155
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 2: He was a good athlete, had a really good rook here.

2156
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: Cory Davis.

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01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: Not terrible. But no, let's think about it. Let's get

2158
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 2: back to the phones, and we'll think about Will Fuller. Uh,

2159
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 2: Kendall's in North Carolina. What's up, Kendall?

2160
01:42:59,120 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on?

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01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2162
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 6: I want to know.

2163
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 4: There's two quarterbacks to go four this year? And if

2164
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson goes to the Giants, do you think they

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01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 4: have still go quarterback?

2166
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: If Russell Wilson goes to the Giants? Uh, thanks for

2167
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,600
Speaker 2: the call, Candle. If the Giants signed Russell Wilson or

2168
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, I think they're out on quarterback at three.

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01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: If they signed Aaron Rodgers, definitely. If cam Ward gets

2170
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: to three, does Brian Dave All look at it and say,

2171
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: all right, I have Russ for a year or two,

2172
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 1: and now I have my next guy in the pipeline

2173
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 1: that wouldn't surprise me. He's he's a quarterbacks guy. And

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01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,679
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson does see he went through that all justin

2175
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: fields last year. Russell Wilson, I think, is the kind

2176
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 1: of guy that might actually mentor the next guy. Rodgers

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01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 1: isn't doing that. Rodgers isn't gonna let you draft quarterback

2178
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: at three. That's out the window. I could see them

2179
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 1: double dipping if it's Russell Wilson.

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01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 2: I think the only reason why I why I I

2181
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 2: guess they could teams like the Giants or Cleveland if

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01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 2: they signed a Wilson or Rodgers could buck trends. Is

2183
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 2: because of your boy, Michael Pennock, right, like, yeah, you know,

2184
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,320
Speaker 2: the Falcons draft Michael Pennix and it ends up working out,

2185
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,759
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not the exact way that they wanted

2186
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 2: it to, but it worked, but it worked because you know,

2187
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 2: really all the other things with the trends, like Shaudre

2188
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,200
Speaker 2: Sanders and cam Ward are older, like they're you know,

2189
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 2: they're they've been in college for a while. Shouldur obviously transferred.

2190
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 2: You know, cam Ward is is another four or five

2191
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 2: year starter school.

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01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 5: I know that.

2193
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah so he they both are are twenty four.

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01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: I want to say they're not that. Yeah, I think

2195
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,880
Speaker 1: they are now so but yeah, like the Michael Pennock

2196
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 1: situation is not a bad copy.

2197
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

2198
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: Cam Ward will turn twenty three in May. Okay, so

2199
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,759
Speaker 1: he's going to be twenty four, twenty three year old rookie.

2200
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah you should just turned twenty three. Yeah, yeah, I

2201
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: don't think was that old.

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01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always that.

2203
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: I forgot he's a Jackson State for two years.

2204
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jackson ar State.

2205
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:51,960
Speaker 1: So he's at Jackson State, but I thought only for

2206
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: a year.

2207
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 2: So they're older prospects. And I the only reason why

2208
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 2: I bring that up because your boy Penis is kind

2209
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 2: of thrown that like it doesn't matter, right.

2210
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, you got Michael Pennicks a baller, Like, let's not

2211
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: forget that. Yeah, the guy can I take Panics over

2212
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,520
Speaker 1: ward or Sanders under.

2213
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 2: But my point being with the age thing is actually

2214
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 2: more that, especially in Shador's case, I think there's still

2215
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 2: room to grow for cam Ward because he's toolsy enough

2216
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 2: that I could see more upside there with the with

2217
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 2: coaching and everything, I kind of feel like Shador is Shador,

2218
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 2: Like I, he's sort of a floor quarterback to me,

2219
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 2: Like I I, I don't necessarily look at Shador and

2220
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 2: and see like a ton of physical upside there for

2221
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 2: him as a player, Like I think that he's going

2222
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,479
Speaker 2: to be a guy that could probably start in the

2223
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 2: league next year and and be a functional game management manager.

2224
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 2: I think he's in that same category.

2225
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because the line was so bad at Colorado,

2226
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 1: I think there's maybe some room for him to grow there.

2227
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: But I get what you're saying, Like, I don't think

2228
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: that Shador is going to take these massive leaps in

2229
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: the NFL, is my point. I'm with you there.

2230
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 2: So like if you're a team like the Giants or

2231
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: the Browns and you draft Shador and now you sign

2232
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, so at least for a year, you're gonna

2233
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 2: sit a door on the bench for another year, Like,

2234
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,719
Speaker 2: I just don't see why you why bother again.

2235
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,160
Speaker 1: I think you look what happened with the Falcons. You

2236
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 1: sign one of these veteran quarterbacks, a guy who is

2237
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: on the back end, and you want to be ready

2238
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:20,639
Speaker 1: if he drops off.

2239
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 2: I'm just having a tough time imagining it's.

2240
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Not gonna It's not gonna happen with Rogers because Rodgers

2241
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: won't let it happen. I just feel like I think

2242
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson could happen. Yeah, it's a copycat league. Wait, hang,

2243
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 1: I got a couple more receiver bus for you.

2244
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,680
Speaker 2: I just think it's it's a copycat league and that

2245
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 2: might change things. But to your point about Penis being good,

2246
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 2: like Pennix might have just been so good that the

2247
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 2: Falcons looked at it and were like, we can't pass

2248
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 2: on this, trying to.

2249
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 1: Tell people you can get them with the second row.

2250
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 1: I will never stop with that victory. This is not

2251
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 1: the point of the only one that's gonna be would

2252
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: have been bigger is that the Vikings had signed a quarterback.

2253
01:46:57,160 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 2: But right, like Penix was so good that they you

2254
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 2: could maybe make that case. I don't think you can

2255
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,240
Speaker 2: make that case with cam warden Shador. Like if you're

2256
01:47:04,240 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 2: a drafted I think you can make it for Kim

2257
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,400
Speaker 2: Warrdon if you're drafting one of those two guys and

2258
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 2: you really have to believe in that guy, right and

2259
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 2: like putting him on the bench for a year.

2260
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 1: I just well, I think some of it is too.

2261
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Like Kirk Cousins got that massive contract, right, he was

2262
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: signed to be a definitive starter. Is Russell Wilson gonna

2263
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 1: get that kind of money? Is Russell Wilson gonna have

2264
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 1: that kind of job security?

2265
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 2: I don't know. No, he's not. He's not.

2266
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:27,080
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a It's not like you're coming

2267
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 1: down from where from where Cousins was to. If we're

2268
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: gonna comport to the Falcons, hang, I cut more receivers

2269
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 1: from Okay, So this is again, if Teed McMillan is

2270
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,960
Speaker 1: a bust, what is his comp because we don't think

2271
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: it's to kill harryt Okay, Will Fuller, no, Kevin White, No,

2272
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna give you one more. This is

2273
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 1: super weird because people like this guy, but he's maybe

2274
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 1: the most overrated wide receiver of his arrow because he

2275
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,720
Speaker 1: had one good year, two good years Michael Thomas. But like,

2276
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,799
Speaker 1: is Teed McMillan like post twenty nineteen Michael Thomas closer?

2277
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 8: Right?

2278
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: Because Michael Thomas was really good at running slant routes

2279
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 1: and then that was kind of it, and teams basically

2280
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:05,920
Speaker 1: figured out how to counter it, and they got hurt.

2281
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: So because Tep McMillan is big, but he's also kind

2282
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 1: of that guy where he's gonna be exposed a lot

2283
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 1: to big hits because of his size.

2284
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 2: Closer, Okay, that's probably your closest one yet, honestly, you.

2285
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,360
Speaker 1: Could make you can make an argument in Ted McMillan's

2286
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: ceiling middle Floor are a Michael Thomas. So I just

2287
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: different stages of Michael Thomas.

2288
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 2: I actually thought when I was doing comps for all

2289
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,759
Speaker 2: the receivers, I actually thought of Michael Thomas with Jaden Higgins,

2290
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, like a guy that I think is gonna

2291
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 2: really win at the first and second level and not

2292
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 2: running by anybody and kind of be a slam boy

2293
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 2: and like all that kind of stuff. I kind of

2294
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,280
Speaker 2: thought of that with Jayden Niggins, And I guess Jaden

2295
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Higgins is kind of day to teed McMillon. So maybe

2296
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 2: like washed Michael Thomas is, like how he he is

2297
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 2: a complete bust? All Right, That was a long way

2298
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 2: to get to that point.

2299
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,000
Speaker 1: Saint should have kept Brandon Cooks.

2300
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 2: Uh, Mike is in Virginia. What's up, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike?

2301
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 2: All Right, Mike, Sorry about that. If you if you're

2302
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,799
Speaker 2: still there a callback in Eldred, what's going on Eldred?

2303
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 8: Hey, Evan, Alex, how y'all doing? Uhh? I think t

2304
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,680
Speaker 8: mac gonna surprise all of y'all. But if you come

2305
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,120
Speaker 8: with a buff, I'm coming with LaQuan Treadmill.

2306
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 4: Fred will uh used to be the Vices, then he.

2307
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 8: Went to the I think he went to the Steelers.

2308
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah six four. He's just like he was a raw

2309
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 2: you know.

2310
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah he also wasn't the mover that mcmillany.

2311
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, big body receiver. You're on the right track.

2312
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 8: Yeah. My question is this, Uh, I got two questions

2313
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 8: for you. Why ain't about talking about James Pearce as

2314
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 8: a edge rusher because to me, doing that combine to

2315
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 8: remind me of Gunzo Smooth everything you know, had a

2316
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 8: good a good combine and all that. And then the

2317
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 8: other one is uh Dante Thornton Jr. And Uh, I

2318
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 8: know you talked about him earlier, but but experience, he

2319
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 8: is sad to speed. He could he could play against

2320
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:07,799
Speaker 8: man Press. Don's stay still over the top. This weakness

2321
01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 8: just kind of slows him down with debt. Other than that,

2322
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 8: he's good to get hand fighting, and he's good against

2323
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 8: man coverage, and he is a six to four, four

2324
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 8: to three receiver and they ain't got him lifted into

2325
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 8: what round five? Round six?

2326
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, thanks take it off there, Thanks elder buddy,

2327
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 2: have a good one. Thanks for the cause always. Uh.

2328
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 2: James Pearce is an interesting prospect. He was one of

2329
01:50:31,200 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 2: the he was like a top five pick at one

2330
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 2: point in this draft, right, like he was projected to

2331
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 2: go super super high. James Pearce. Yeah, and then he

2332
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 2: had kind of a rough year, not a rough year,

2333
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 2: but just not the year that people were expecting at

2334
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 2: Tennessee this past year. And Uh, to me, when I

2335
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 2: see James Pearce, I think he's a very linear rusher,

2336
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't have a lot of agility or change

2337
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 2: of direction to really challenge inside and outside. He's kind

2338
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,599
Speaker 2: of just like a speed to power, I'm gonna run

2339
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:00,640
Speaker 2: into the tackle and I hope I I kind of

2340
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 2: make it work type of guy. I think he's raw,

2341
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 2: and I don't think he's got a great like mobility, right,

2342
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, like ankle bend and hit fluidity and those

2343
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,559
Speaker 2: types of things that usually lend himself to a really

2344
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,920
Speaker 2: high sap production at the next level, Like, could he

2345
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 2: be a pocket pusher, disruptor, you know, drop him into coverage. Hey,

2346
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,880
Speaker 2: look it's you uh to drop him into coverage like

2347
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. Yeah, Like I think that he

2348
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 2: could be that guy, but I didn't see a lot

2349
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 2: of bend in a lot of twitch to his movements,

2350
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 2: which would worry me a little bit with him. But

2351
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,679
Speaker 2: like if he has like a draft day weekend fall

2352
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 2: and he somehow finds his way to the second round,

2353
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 2: which I think is crazy, but maybe, Like I'm not

2354
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 2: saying like completely rulling him out as a Day two

2355
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,560
Speaker 2: guy for the Patriots, but I don't think he's in

2356
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 2: the conversation to be a top ten pick anymore.

2357
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have He's a guy that has one

2358
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,080
Speaker 1: elite tool, but he doesn't have a lot of tools. Yeah,

2359
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: Like that one tool is excellent, but he doesn't much

2360
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,599
Speaker 1: beyond that. He's not a first round pick in most drafts.

2361
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 1: He is kind of that Josh Ucha sort of player

2362
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,120
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about. It's part of the reason

2363
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 1: he fell was like he came into the year with

2364
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of expectation and he because he had such

2365
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: a strong twenty twenty three. He played well in twenty

2366
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: twenty four, he didn't necessarily get better. He didn't stro

2367
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:20,759
Speaker 1: anything new. Yeah, and I think that's what has teams concerned.

2368
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: So if you're somebody that believes in just kind of

2369
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: the true speed rusher, yeah he has some value, but

2370
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,799
Speaker 1: he's not much more than that. And because he didn't develop,

2371
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, there's a quick teams have to ask himselves, now,

2372
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: why didn't he develop? Is this all he's gonna end

2373
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 1: up being?

2374
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. And then the Taekwon Thornton two point

2375
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 2: zero receiver that he mentioned.

2376
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: Who was I couldn't hear him.

2377
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 2: I think his last name is really literally Thorton, right,

2378
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 2: Dante Thorston junior. Yeah, but I mean he's like a

2379
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 2: six foot three string being fourth fast, fast, and yeah,

2380
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 2: that's why that's why he was going. You know why

2381
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 2: he's not projected higher on boards right now is because

2382
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 2: he's literally, hey, he's a track meat player. You know,

2383
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 2: that's the type of guy that he is. You know,

2384
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 2: it's a great athlete, a great combine. I would get

2385
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 2: too caught up in forty times with players like that.

2386
01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 1: So and I'm so glad I thought of that that's

2387
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: going to come in handy for years to come.

2388
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 2: Out here, and yeah, that's always my problem.

2389
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you're gonna have to learn to You're

2390
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to be ready to answer the question when

2391
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: you want to hype up one of these guys.

2392
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 2: So the president of Mason Graham's fan club, who is

2393
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 2: Floyd and Redford Michigan, that might.

2394
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Be the for all the free agency stuff, the only

2395
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: guy that truly came off the board.

2396
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 2: So so Floyd says that we can't rule out Mason

2397
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 2: Graham because I'm telling you he's Mason Graham's fan.

2398
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:48,679
Speaker 1: That's something I would expect Mason Graha's biggest fancy say.

2399
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 2: He's not ruling out Mason Graham because of Christian Barmore's status,

2400
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of his health. There's definitely a

2401
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 2: fair point there that they can't necessarily count on having

2402
01:53:59,400 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 2: an available Christian Barmore. But I already had concerns about

2403
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 2: Mason Graham holding up at two ninety ninety five as

2404
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 2: it is, and now you want to pair him with

2405
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 2: another guy who weighs two hundred and ninety pounds. I

2406
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 2: just think that that's very, very light in the middle.

2407
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 2: Of your defense.

2408
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,639
Speaker 1: It's also are you willing to make your big free

2409
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: agency signing and your top draft pick at the same position,

2410
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 1: which is not a premium position. That's a tough sell.

2411
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:26,679
Speaker 1: That's a really tough sell.

2412
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 2: Yep, that's another great point. You know, it's basically redundant

2413
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:36,680
Speaker 2: skill set, same position. Yeah, same type of player, like

2414
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 2: the ways that Milton Williams wins disruptive hands leverage, using

2415
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:46,879
Speaker 2: his like lower center of gravity to get underneath blockers,

2416
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,680
Speaker 2: first step of quickness into gaps, instincts, motor I just

2417
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 2: describe Mason Graham. Yeah, so you have now you're gonna

2418
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 2: just have two Mason Grams.

2419
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,320
Speaker 1: With Milton Williams, or roughly to Milton Williams.

2420
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 2: Which like there's worse things to have have, but it's

2421
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of a luxury, not an absolutely necessity. Uh

2422
01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's amazing, Graham. It doesn't make me

2423
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 2: feel like a little bit better than maybe that's off

2424
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 2: the board, because you know, I wasn't in love with

2425
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 2: it to.

2426
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Be I always feel I feel bad, like the last

2427
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,240
Speaker 1: two years, like the guy I've kind of come out

2428
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 1: is like the no no, no player has been a

2429
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Michigan guy, and people probably think I just hate Michigan,

2430
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,400
Speaker 1: like I need Michigan to come through with with the

2431
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 1: guy that I can like really get behind to offset that,

2432
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:24,440
Speaker 1: because it's nothing against Michigan.

2433
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:29,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's take these calls. Uh, Mark is in Connecticut.

2434
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 2: What's up? Mark?

2435
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, always appreciate you guys taking my calls. I

2436
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,320
Speaker 6: just had a quick one. If we strike out on

2437
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 6: Cooper Cup Uh to Gooby Myers, what is the prediction

2438
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 6: there of what he would uh what it would take

2439
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 6: to get him in a trade, like you know, round wide?

2440
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 6: What do you guys think on that?

2441
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark, thanks for the call. That's a tough one,

2442
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,680
Speaker 2: I would say to to project because I don't think

2443
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 2: he's really available. So yeah, you have to make the

2444
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 2: offer to the Raiders that's enticing enough for them to

2445
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 2: actually move him back to the Patriots so.

2446
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: They don't need a quarterback anymore.

2447
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 2: Right, So I think that you would have to give

2448
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 2: them a third or fourth round pick, which seems really high. Uh,

2449
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 2: just giving the not necessarily like a knock on Jacoby Myers,

2450
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 2: but just given the way that wide receiver market has

2451
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 2: moved in trades, like a DK Metcalf only got like

2452
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 2: a mid second round pick back, So, like, I just

2453
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:26,040
Speaker 2: in order to make it enticing enough for the Raiders

2454
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 2: to actually trade him, it's gonna have to be something

2455
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: worth it. Yeah, and so now I think you're kind

2456
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 2: of overpaying for him.

2457
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 1: Like the moving down from four to six and getting

2458
01:56:33,320 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 1: like Jacobe in a third round pick like that made

2459
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 1: sense to me, but there's no incentive for the Raiders

2460
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 1: to do that anymore.

2461
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I'm with you.

2462
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a tough one. I get why people want

2463
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 1: to back he's a good player, yeah, but I just

2464
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's it.

2465
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 2: If it comes out that he's on the block and

2466
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 2: he can be had, you know, that's different. But if

2467
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 2: you have to actually like aggressively pursue him.

2468
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not gonna be worth it. Yeah.

2469
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 2: All right, Marvin is in Florida. What's up, Marvin?

2470
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 9: Hey fellows, how you guys doing good? I think is

2471
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 9: why don't we trade Dugger for like maybe a third

2472
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 9: round pick and it will Campbell like pick nine and

2473
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 9: then trade up to get Golden or another top ar

2474
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 9: receiver in the draft.

2475
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Marvin. I don't know what

2476
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar's value is really right now. I don't think

2477
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 2: it's a third round pick at all.

2478
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,080
Speaker 1: That would all be not I also don't think you're

2479
01:57:31,080 --> 01:57:32,960
Speaker 1: gonna will Camble at nine, even as a guard. I

2480
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get at nine.

2481
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 2: I think your great thought. Yeah, I think you're you're

2482
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 2: better off almost if you don't have Dugger in your

2483
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 2: long term plans. I think you're better off him starting

2484
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:45,600
Speaker 2: the season here and hoping that he starts well, yeah,

2485
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 2: and then maybe trading him at the deadline for something.

2486
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 2: But you have to remember, they just paid him, so

2487
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 2: they just gave him a big contract, so now you

2488
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: know the team is acquiring the contract as well as

2489
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 2: the player in a trade, and as we've seen across

2490
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 2: the board, when that's the case, you just don't get

2491
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 2: the value in the trade that you may think you would.

2492
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Dugger is unfortunately like kind of like

2493
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:09,000
Speaker 2: not worth anything like of substantial value.

2494
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:10,880
Speaker 1: He's here, he's here for now, and that's just what

2495
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 1: and that's why they need to get a free safety

2496
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 1: so they can play him in the box and let

2497
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: him do what he does best.

2498
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, last one here, then we'll wrap it up.

2499
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 2: This is from a concerned fan from Chelsea and he says,

2500
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm going insane because for all the discussion around not

2501
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:28,520
Speaker 2: picking a non left tackle at four, no one is

2502
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 2: answering the following question. The answering the follow up question

2503
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 2: of who is going to play left tackle. Before a

2504
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:38,080
Speaker 2: free agency there was the Ronnie Stanley and Cam Robinson

2505
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 2: comp out, but now that's gone and there are no

2506
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:43,800
Speaker 2: severable left tackles left. Well, Cam Robinson's not gone. Uh

2507
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 2: in my mind, you have to gamble at Campbell at

2508
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 2: four if he's a bust and ends up as an

2509
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,880
Speaker 2: elite guard. Oh well, so well, Cam Robinson's not gone.

2510
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 2: First of all. Yeah, I think what you have to weigh,

2511
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:57,360
Speaker 2: And we talked about this earlier because I think this

2512
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 2: is a fair point. It's a that is a the

2513
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 2: question right now, and that's why I wanted to end

2514
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 2: it on it, because that this is the philosophical question

2515
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 2: that we're going to be having. Yeah, is are you

2516
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 2: desperate to the point at left tackle where you're gonna

2517
01:59:12,360 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 2: take Will Campbell And if he's a bust and you

2518
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 2: have to move him inside to left guard, then so

2519
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 2: be it. And you're willing to take that risk at

2520
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 2: four overall, I personally would just say that I still

2521
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 2: don't think it's a terrible option to sign Cam Robinson

2522
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:31,680
Speaker 2: to a short term contract and Josh and draft one

2523
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 2: of those second wave guys like a Josh Simmons.

2524
01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 1: Let's say, let's say you can't k Robson. Let's say

2525
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 1: Robinson's often because that's obvious. Yeah, if you sign Cam Robinson,

2526
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,560
Speaker 1: you draft somebody later. That's easy, right, And I think

2527
01:59:41,600 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we'd hope they do from the beginning. Yeah,

2528
01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:47,520
Speaker 1: let's say Cam Robinson signs elsewhere, because that that that's

2529
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:49,880
Speaker 1: really putting the pressure on because now, okay, you're not

2530
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: like Vaderian Low's in the competition and maybe he doesn't

2531
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:54,800
Speaker 1: end up being the guy, but you're talking about Vaderian

2532
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:55,839
Speaker 1: low and equivalent players.

2533
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:00,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about Vaderian Lowe and Josh Connor in

2534
02:00:00,240 --> 02:00:04,600
Speaker 2: a competition, or Darien at Ursery in a competition, or.

2535
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 1: Like, now I guess you have to talk about I

2536
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 1: keep want to say Tristan Worst, Jedrick Wills, Jedrick Wills

2537
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: or Tristan Worse's be great. Yeah, Jedrick Wills are one

2538
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 1: of those other tackles is still available. Like at that point,

2539
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 1: are you thinking about Will Campbell?

2540
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 7: Uh?

2541
02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 1: Because I think you will.

2542
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 2: I think you are thinking about it in general. But

2543
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 2: you have to be convinced, in my mind, if you're

2544
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:31,360
Speaker 2: drafting Will Campbell at four that he's he's going to

2545
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:33,880
Speaker 2: play high level tackle, I think you have to be

2546
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent convinced that he's gonna play.

2547
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:40,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so but forget what what you think? Right if

2548
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson, if Cam Robinson is not available, If Cam

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Speaker 1: Robinson is not available, yeah, what are you doing at

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Speaker 1: left tackle next year? That is the question.

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Speaker 2: If I had to pick yes right now, I would

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Speaker 2: try to position myself to draft one of those second

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Speaker 2: wave tackles and put him in a competition with Vedarien Though. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I or signed Cam Robinson and put him in Cam Robins. Well,

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Speaker 2: this is Cam Robinson's off the board, right, Oh he's

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Speaker 2: off the board. Cam Robinson's off the board.

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Speaker 1: What are you doing it? Left out?

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Speaker 2: I would draft Josh Connery or Arianti Ursery and put

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Speaker 2: him in a competition with how high?

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Speaker 1: How high would you draft him?

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Speaker 2: Twenties?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're moving up from Yeah, well I'm saying

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Speaker 1: like you can't just wait at thirty eight to see

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Speaker 1: which one falls and then neither fall, And now what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Right? Yeah, okay, maneuver. Let me see

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Speaker 1: Will Campbell's pro day numbers.

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Speaker 2: Why is that going to change me? He worked out

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Speaker 2: of the combine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the combine numbers are way off from the

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Speaker 1: senior in terms of everybody else. I'm like, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, I'm not closed in. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're going to close the door on Will Campbell

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Speaker 1: being the answer that question. I really don't. No, I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's whether they should or not is another conversation,

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Speaker 1: like he very well may be a guard I think

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Speaker 1: he is, but it doesn't matter what me and you

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Speaker 1: would do because we're not up there or over there

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Speaker 1: wherever the office is. Right, it's what they would do.

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Speaker 1: I just I have this gut feeling that that door

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Speaker 1: is not totally shut yet.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it for this weeks. Catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two A lot to talk about today. That was

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Speaker 2: a good show.

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Speaker 1: We need to get more fun from here.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next week. I think we'll probably do

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Speaker 2: an even harder reset of the draft board and all

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Speaker 2: the Patriots options and at the top of the draft

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Speaker 2: and throughout the draft next week, so we'll be here

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Speaker 2: and we'll break that down for you as well, and

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Speaker 2: there might be some more Patriots news I'm sure, as

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Speaker 2: signings and all that good stuff as well. So until then,

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Speaker 2: signing off for Alex Bartham, Evan Lazarre. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: next week.

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