Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hello.
Speaker 2: Freshot well HOODI international HOODI hoo day.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, how did you celebrate? Wait?
Speaker 1: Hold on, this is thats messed up. But I'm Kara Klank,
Speaker 1: one of your hosts, and I'm Liza Traeger. We talk
Speaker 1: SVU crime. We have no guests, We're busy. We'll have
Speaker 1: guests soon.
Speaker 2: I've been fuking since seven am, so but it's my
Speaker 2: own making. So you can't. You can't I mean soul Cycle,
Speaker 2: Thank God, give me the credit back. I sent them screenshots.
Speaker 2: I was like, because I was eating a friend, I
Speaker 2: go just do it, Just do it. I put on
Speaker 2: the athletic weir and then I kept puking in a
Speaker 2: sports sprat.
Speaker 3: It's like, I can't make it.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: You actually got up and got the clothes on. That's wow.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I actually got roasted yesterday because I go getting the
Speaker 2: packages that save me money stresses me out because what
Speaker 2: if I don't make it, and then I'm wasting it
Speaker 2: and this and that and they go. It seems like
Speaker 2: you're setting alarms and signing up six days in advance,
Speaker 2: and you're really.
Speaker 3: Going and you're just scared that it'll like constrict me.
Speaker 2: But basically, look at my I mean, Kara Hi, obviously
Speaker 2: we have a lot to talk about.
Speaker 3: That video of your kids was amazing.
Speaker 1: But look where I was yesterday, Kasa Chipriani, New York,
Speaker 1: U La La.
Speaker 2: So you know, I had Manhattan's Oh, and then I
Speaker 2: went to a Rosebud's Netflix special her hers just came out.
Speaker 2: I thought, I was like, I'm not going I have research.
Speaker 2: But then I go to Big Up. Let's just it
Speaker 2: was at Soho House. I go, how funny to go
Speaker 2: from one private club to another? And then I had
Speaker 2: three more of Manhattans. Oh boy, and everyone was like, wow, Lisa,
Speaker 2: you can do it all. Look at you. You're gonna soul,
Speaker 2: You're gonna do research, you podcast, You're you're an icon
Speaker 2: and ha ha, I'm not.
Speaker 3: No my body Manhattans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my body said, are you out of your fucking mind?
Speaker 2: You old bitch? Get to bed. So it's I'm at
Speaker 2: Baile at this point Oh my god, I know that's
Speaker 2: too much. It's too much, but Costa Chipriani, I want
Speaker 2: you to know. It's like a member's only club. It's
Speaker 2: very oligarc in there. Yeah, I mean, I would say
Speaker 2: the chickest place of it. It's really fucking nice. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous. But when I walked in, one of the
Speaker 2: door guys angel, they were all nice, and then he
Speaker 2: was like, let him have it, just fucking let them
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 3: So I really let them have it. But they like it.
Speaker 1: But you were performing, yes for the wealthy. I didn't
Speaker 1: know if maybe somebody just brought you like, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope I did well.
Speaker 1: Then on the way out, the door guy was like,
Speaker 1: the owner was in there. I heard it was good.
Speaker 2: I go, I let them have it, and I go,
Speaker 2: hopefully they'll give me a membership so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Oh low.
Speaker 2: But I also I know I did say free, Luigi,
Speaker 2: you all better fucking watch out. You know, I was
Speaker 2: being crazy. I was like, I live in the East village.
Speaker 2: It was silent. I go where your maids live.
Speaker 1: Of course, like I was kind of like, check your drinks,
Speaker 1: check your drinks.
Speaker 3: One guy was in a in a blue button down
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, you're in a worker shirt.
Speaker 2: Huh you work for Like it was I had a
Speaker 2: great fashion girlies model. I mean it was like, but wow,
Speaker 2: SOHO house is more creatives than like young professionals. They
Speaker 2: like it's like they try to be artsy. I've never
Speaker 2: been to a place like this like this was. This
Speaker 2: was nuts. I felt like, I guess this is where
Speaker 2: you know Leo hangs.
Speaker 1: Out, but he's I love this as like a niche
Speaker 1: like market, like a niche like thing for you that
Speaker 1: you just do, like really really high end corporates where
Speaker 1: you roast the ship out of the one person.
Speaker 3: I would like.
Speaker 1: I think that would be such a because on the way,
Speaker 1: you guys want to get your asses red. Get Lisa
Speaker 1: trigger in here. At the end, I'm like, please make
Speaker 1: a difference, you know.
Speaker 2: I tried to say something, but at the end, like
Speaker 2: every server was, the hostesses were like, well that.
Speaker 3: Was fun, Like.
Speaker 2: It felt good, but I actually got I do have
Speaker 2: a thanks everyone that came from Portland. So listen to this.
Speaker 2: In the front row a couple obviously I do a
Speaker 2: little crowd work. He is the CEO and creator of
Speaker 2: wild gummies. There are the ones in the white container
Speaker 2: in like those little box. Yes, yes, oh there's the
Speaker 2: packaging's really pretty right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I go, did you bring me any He goes no.
Speaker 2: I go, okay, I go, are you a millionaire? And
Speaker 2: he goes and I go, I mean, this is crazy
Speaker 2: he didn't bring man. After the show he comes up
Speaker 2: to me. He goes, yeah, this is my fiance. Last
Speaker 2: time I was at the comedy cellar years ago, you
Speaker 2: made fun of me and said I didn't deserve love.
Speaker 2: So on Valentine's Day he decided to be came front
Speaker 2: row and sat with his fiance in the front to go, yes,
Speaker 2: I yes, I do.
Speaker 3: I actually did find love.
Speaker 1: Bitch, Oh my god, Why would I say that to him?
Speaker 3: Psychotic?
Speaker 1: He must have been doing something. He had he had
Speaker 1: his arms crossed in a bitchy way. There was some reason.
Speaker 1: So that's my fun. I also, I've been talking about
Speaker 1: this on Stop. You reposted my local news clip, but
Speaker 1: I went to a karaoke strip club.
Speaker 3: I mean watching you tell those women on local news.
Speaker 1: By the way, like I posted this in the That's
Speaker 1: myst Up Stories, but it's on Lisa's page two.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because they're like any dance.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we talked to Hazel back in the day
Speaker 1: the way that you were just like, oh no, like
Speaker 1: I was doing karaoke while the strippers they were like,
Speaker 1: oh that was so good. They were like, we get
Speaker 1: that in New York. I'm like, I'm sure you ladies
Speaker 1: will go all the time if they get.
Speaker 3: That in New York. But spent hundreds of dollars. Oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: I like throwing money at women. It is something I enjoy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fun. Yeah I did it. Yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 2: But but I was cool. We did Backstreet. I know
Speaker 2: someone there that did mine my back, my back, I
Speaker 2: knew people did fun and then one person went up
Speaker 2: and did Enya. And it's like, oh, you're so funny.
Speaker 2: Like now the stripper's not gonna make money, you dumb bitch.
Speaker 3: Like that is annoying. That is really annoying.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you got to talk. Okay, I'll.
Speaker 3: Talk.
Speaker 1: Well, as this is released, we will have just been
Speaker 1: back from DC, so a future in the this is
Speaker 1: past Kara telling you that, thank you everybody who came
Speaker 1: out in DC.
Speaker 3: And then and I'm sorry, Kara, but I took it
Speaker 3: I'm taking a train to d C.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a train from DC back to New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but then I.
Speaker 2: See, Yeah, I am never not buckling up my I'm
Speaker 2: on airplane mode. I'm sitting up right, I am listening
Speaker 2: to the instructions.
Speaker 3: I am not yeah terrified. Oh yeah, yeah. I just
Speaker 3: thought I'm bragging about the train, Kara.
Speaker 1: No, I thought you were making I know, I thought
Speaker 1: you were making a joke about how like you like
Speaker 1: to fly and that you're taking like the train, and
Speaker 1: I didn't even put it together with the fact that
Speaker 1: planes are falling out of the sky at a rapid
Speaker 1: rate and I'm actually flying on Friday Saturday. So I'm
Speaker 1: actually like going like l l l like every time
Speaker 1: people talk about plane crashing because I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: gotta go. But we can cut that part. It's maybe
Speaker 1: too dark. Uh no, oh yeah, it's too dark for
Speaker 1: a rape podcast. I know it's fine. Well, if this
Speaker 1: is the last time you hear from me, I died
Speaker 1: on my way to d C to perform for you, guys,
Speaker 1: and I love you, yeah, or boeing or Boeing guys.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a Sassineeah, I'm a whistleblower. I really loved
Speaker 2: the video of your kids in gender roles, naturally, so
Speaker 2: I posted this video on my kid's private page of
Speaker 2: we always go to Rosie's little friend's house, and Oscar
Speaker 2: loves going there because she has all these princess dresses
Speaker 2: and she has a fucking tiaras and rings and all
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 1: And Rosie's not in any of that shit, and really
Speaker 1: her friend isn't that much either, So like Oscar just
Speaker 1: is like, bye, ladies and lets them go do what
Speaker 1: they want. And he is like he literally kept going.
Speaker 1: There's so many beautiful things. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: can't decide. Like he was free, he was having like
Speaker 1: a stylist crisis, and then he just got into like
Speaker 1: full you know, sort of aerial Princess Elsa or Queen
Speaker 1: Elsa drag and was wearing a little clip on earrings
Speaker 1: and like he looked so cute, and I just was
Speaker 1: video videoing them because I thought they were cute. And
Speaker 1: then Rosie comes on with like a pick axe she
Speaker 1: made out of popsicle sticks, and it's just like pick
Speaker 1: act pick axe, and I'm like, look at this, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just like perfect example, like gender is a construct,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not real. Because Oscar also keeps telling
Speaker 1: me that what he turns for he wants to become
Speaker 1: a girl. So we're talking about it, what we're working
Speaker 1: him through it, Like I'm like, well what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Because like he's like, I just want to match Rosie.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I mean you have long hair,
Speaker 1: she has long hair. She wears sweatpants. You wear sweatpants?
Speaker 1: What what else?
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 1: Want? What do you want to become a girl? And
Speaker 1: he's like, I gotta think about it. So supporting him
Speaker 1: and supporting him in his quest, I did book a trip.
Speaker 1: Did book a trip to take the children to Lego
Speaker 1: Land for Rosie's birthday. So if anybody's got the hot
Speaker 1: Lego Land tips, please send them my way.
Speaker 3: If you want to talk about that real that I
Speaker 3: sent you. Oh yeah, wait, that's right. What was it again?
Speaker 2: It was basically this bride the morning of her wedding,
Speaker 2: she goes to room to see her husband and he
Speaker 2: is breastfeeding on his mother.
Speaker 1: As a full grown man, and I think she called
Speaker 1: off the wedding. I would, yeah, because that's.
Speaker 2: The real mentioned, Like the milk's not coming out anymore
Speaker 2: unless she is really you know, grapes of wraththing all
Speaker 2: over town straight up.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yea, and the dad was standing there. No,
Speaker 3: that's so creepy. I like when you honestly, my phone like.
Speaker 1: Got hot, I felt like I had to drop it.
Speaker 1: Like when I got to the like point of that real,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, gross ah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of things people go through with
Speaker 1: on their wedding. Like I heard of a girl I
Speaker 1: was friends with a girl like through another friend, she
Speaker 1: was cheating on her on her fiance day.
Speaker 3: They got married.
Speaker 1: The guy that she was cheating with like contacted her fiance.
Speaker 1: They still got married. He was like, I've been having
Speaker 1: with your wife, don't do this. They got married, they
Speaker 1: got divorced pretty quick, but they still went through the
Speaker 1: with the wedding.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: People like make deposits, they like want to have the party,
Speaker 1: But the breastfeeding that would be tough.
Speaker 3: That'd be very.
Speaker 1: Tough to still get out there and do your little
Speaker 1: dance to fucking at last, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That'd be really tough. Oh my god, are you caught
Speaker 1: up on druggers? Just just not last week.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: I am, I'm really not agreeing with the elimination.
Speaker 3: So uh oh, we're getting down to it.
Speaker 2: Wait, who are your faves right I guess they're changing
Speaker 2: rules as they please for the edit, Like it's kind
Speaker 2: of annoying, but I'm also not a professional.
Speaker 3: Who are your faves right now? Who do you want
Speaker 3: to see win it?
Speaker 2: I am always cheering for an older queen, so Lexi,
Speaker 2: lex yeahxy Lexi.
Speaker 3: And then I like.
Speaker 1: This one the curls Susie too. No, she has no
Speaker 1: black curls. She's more magic. Oh oh jewel sparkles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like jewels. Sparkles. Yeah, sparkles is cute. I
Speaker 3: feel like, yeah, yeah, you didn't watch it? Yeah? Those
Speaker 3: are mine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like tops are gonna be Susie Anya.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Anya for sure?
Speaker 1: On your nerve is fun And it's funny because it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm really liking Corey, even though I do think Corey's
Speaker 1: drag is bad.
Speaker 3: I just think like they have good confessional and like.
Speaker 1: Funny faces and stuff, you know, like I can see
Speaker 1: Whey they sort of keep some people in there for that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm with Corey, but I mean I watched fashion photo,
Speaker 2: like whatever, I'm not going to ruin anything. But it's
Speaker 2: like there was a challenge and she just went. I
Speaker 2: just decided I didn't like the challenge, so I did
Speaker 2: my own thing.
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's not I know.
Speaker 1: When she did the egg thing, I was like, this
Speaker 1: makes no fucking sense wearing moment.
Speaker 2: She's confusing. But yeah, I'm obsessed with her too. I
Speaker 2: just don't think she should win, but I'm happy with
Speaker 2: her making top four or five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she'll be like a miscongeniality or something.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I know she care. Sorry to interrupt, you could say
Speaker 2: it I saw. I mean this might be I saw
Speaker 2: the cutest dog I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 3: Are you guys ready? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all wow with the tongue out. Okay, we'll post it.
Speaker 1: You gotta text it to me now so I can
Speaker 1: post it. So it just makes sense. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I mean that is really fucking cute. I love that
Speaker 1: kind of dog. That's really cute. It's like the shadiest
Speaker 1: at local news. I was there on a dog day there.
Speaker 1: It's canine Tuesday. Canine Tuesday. Oh they knew how to
Speaker 1: schedule you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one dog got adopted that was a different dog,
Speaker 2: and then this, uh, this dog was tasting homemade dog
Speaker 2: treat segment.
Speaker 3: People are making homemade dog treats.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, I mean people are spending Oh my god, dude,
Speaker 2: I didn't watch White Lotus yet.
Speaker 3: Being a Walter Goggins's beloved love him.
Speaker 2: So his architectural digest showed up and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: So then his GQ like things I can't live without,
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to watch it, but I saw
Speaker 2: backgammon board m hm.
Speaker 3: And so he brings it.
Speaker 2: He opens it and he goes, way, I've been looking
Speaker 2: for that, and he starts like getting emotional because he goes,
Speaker 2: we just moved from La back to New York. He goes,
Speaker 2: I haven't opened this. Backgammon just means so much to me.
Speaker 2: He goes, this isn't planned. These are things I put
Speaker 2: in for safekeeping that I've been searching for. He goes,
Speaker 2: for four years, I've been looking for this stuff and
Speaker 2: it wasn't planned. And it was like homemade ornaments from
Speaker 2: his parents.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was in his backgammon setcase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's god. It had like he travels a lot.
Speaker 2: It had like gemstones and like it just had like
Speaker 2: like he was truly overwhelmed gemstones.
Speaker 1: Appropriate way. She still loves gems. Oh no, but also
Speaker 1: he's in the Righteous Gemstones. Rosie still gets hugely excited
Speaker 1: about gems. I just got them last week. Get at
Speaker 1: a party. I went to my annual party. Barely keeps
Speaker 1: she I'm barely keeping up.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: TV has finally gotten too busy for me. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: haven't watched White Lotus yet. I am miraculously keeping up
Speaker 1: with the Traders because I the stuff that's on Peacock.
Speaker 3: I just don't go to Peacock to get it. I
Speaker 3: need my DVR.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I am. We're in a bit of a
Speaker 1: Housewives drought right now. Right there's like nothing that happen.
Speaker 1: I like Beverly Hills and Beverly Hills. We do have
Speaker 1: a Potomac reunion. Yeah, and we're gonna I barely care about.
Speaker 1: We'll get Miami soon.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, I mean I started Southern Hospitality. Really.
Speaker 1: I like it, you do because the commercials come on
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, who is watching this?
Speaker 3: And it's you.
Speaker 2: They're dumb, they're hot and they're they're busy at the
Speaker 2: bottle service.
Speaker 3: What's what city? Are they in? Savannah?
Speaker 1: Where are they?
Speaker 2: No, it's Charleston. It's Leva from Southern Charms nightclub. She
Speaker 2: owns a name.
Speaker 3: Oh so it's all crossover. It's the vander Pump situation.
Speaker 3: It's got it, got it.
Speaker 2: So I'm just cheating on each other basically, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just cheating.
Speaker 1: It's sexy people cheating on each other. Sexy people cheating
Speaker 1: on each other. Which leads me to my next question
Speaker 1: for you, because I have been following through us through
Speaker 1: Bravo accounts or whatever a little bit the page and
Speaker 1: the crag of it all, and I don't get it
Speaker 1: because it sounded like they came out and they had
Speaker 1: this like pretty amicable thing where they like where they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we're separating or whatever. But then it
Speaker 1: turns out he says he was blindsided, and then people
Speaker 1: are trying to accuse her of having a side piece,
Speaker 1: and she or a boyfriend or a cheating and already
Speaker 1: has a new boyfriend and people are like that. She's like,
Speaker 1: that's not true. What's going on? Give me the quit page?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Of course, I think it's internalized misogyny. It's kind of
Speaker 2: the same people that were Team sand of all where
Speaker 2: it's like in what world? And I don't want to
Speaker 2: insult Craig because I think it was a loving, good relationship.
Speaker 2: I think she loved him, like, so I don't want
Speaker 2: to insult her partner.
Speaker 1: She made him much better, because what I mean is
Speaker 1: a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: When I used to watch that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even this season, it's like a montage of
Speaker 2: him lying and like being rude to his friends and
Speaker 2: like he wanted a trad wife, like he wanted her
Speaker 2: and Charleston raising a child. And on an episode of
Speaker 2: Southern Charms, she says to him, like, I'd like to
Speaker 2: be allotted the freedom you did at thirty one, like
Speaker 2: I'm thirty one. And not only that, it's like you're
Speaker 2: cutting her at her fucking knees, like Pages once in
Speaker 2: a lifetime talent. I'm sorry, like knowing that like is
Speaker 2: usually that funny, charming ground and likes Taco Bell in
Speaker 2: bed like I'm sorry, Like I just feel like she
Speaker 2: could fuck Obama.
Speaker 3: I really do, Like I am so.
Speaker 2: Team Page And you know they pick up to the
Speaker 2: cameras and people were pissed she's just a girl's girl too,
Speaker 2: which I appreciate. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: Craig is a compulsive liar and an alcoholic, and I
Speaker 2: think she made him better and like he's stop dreaming
Speaker 2: and I wish him well in his sobriety journey. And
Speaker 2: I think what pissed her off is like the first
Speaker 2: moment he had on and any interviewer watch what happens.
Speaker 2: He didn't have her back and she's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't fucking cheat on you, and for you to
Speaker 2: like imply anything like that is fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3: And then but people are like, you let him on.
Speaker 2: He wants that family and he's like a little manchild
Speaker 2: and he can find a trad wife.
Speaker 1: Also, we it's like we have video of it. We
Speaker 1: have video of her saying I'm not moving to Charleston.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like she was like maybe you know,
Speaker 1: like she's kept saying I don't want kids.
Speaker 2: She's in tears, going I don't want kids and I
Speaker 2: don't want a baby. He just wants Paige obviously, But
Speaker 2: like you don't get to rush her to give up
Speaker 2: on her dreams. Like she's a multi she just said
Speaker 2: Radio City musical like that's oh for her pod Yes,
Speaker 2: that's like eight thousand people, six thousand people, like it's
Speaker 2: a huge deal. And so for someone that supposedly loves
Speaker 2: her to be like, come on, just move here, have
Speaker 2: a baby, like I want to get married, I think
Speaker 2: is disgusting.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you do want her to be like the
Speaker 2: person you have kids with and do this life, you
Speaker 2: could have moved to New York. But also you could
Speaker 2: have just been patient. It's a control thing. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but also it's not I.
Speaker 3: Take it back. If you want that, go do that.
Speaker 3: Go do that. Go find somebody who wants that.
Speaker 1: Go honestly, And now's the time if you want to
Speaker 1: t if you want to trod wives, now's the time.
Speaker 1: They're out there like it's happening. Now, hurry before they
Speaker 1: all really.
Speaker 2: Just show up to your pillows store events like that's fine,
Speaker 2: but I can't wait. So pages on watch what Happens
Speaker 2: live and yeah, I'm just team Page And I think
Speaker 2: the comments that are anti her are like internalized mischlogyny
Speaker 2: and that like I'm leaving it at that. The same
Speaker 2: people that I don't know Riana, why won't you just
Speaker 2: move out then and he's dangerous and it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wasn't sure if there was a I
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if there was a Like they also broke up,
Speaker 1: no better.
Speaker 2: Like they we broke up around Thanksgiving and Craig was like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm about to do all this press.
Speaker 3: Can I just say we're still together?
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to deal with this for the
Speaker 2: premiere and she said, okay, fine, But they've been broken
Speaker 2: up since Thanksgiving, so even if she went on a
Speaker 2: date with someone, say this to a game or not,
Speaker 2: does not matter.
Speaker 3: It's I don't know.
Speaker 2: Did you watch the first episode of Summerhouse, No not yet,
Speaker 2: So like Lindsey, you know, announces for pregnancy and everyone's
Speaker 2: happy and then the men are like, what's the baby's
Speaker 2: last name?
Speaker 3: Counting the months being like how's Carl gonna feel? This is?
Speaker 3: And it's like, who cares how Carl feels?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dumped her after her wedding shower that he
Speaker 2: dropped in on weeks before their wedding, and now she
Speaker 2: can't get pregnant by another man because Carl might be upset, Like,
Speaker 2: I you know, it's this, It's just these ingrained attitudes
Speaker 2: of people. That is stupid, especially now. They'll never pick you.
Speaker 2: They'll never pick you.
Speaker 1: I am gonna I might. I am going to get
Speaker 1: into Summerhouse if I can, though, because I really enjoy
Speaker 1: I mean, what I've seen before, I've liked. You know,
Speaker 1: you got me fully hooked when Lindsay and Carl got
Speaker 1: engaged and the other girl was acting so fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: I was hooked on that shit. But I really like
Speaker 1: Sierra on The Traders. I think she's fun and she
Speaker 1: brought that energy to the like clip for next week
Speaker 1: or this week you probably also but like her calling
Speaker 1: him out at the dinner table and people are like,
Speaker 1: that's Traders vibes. Yeah, but she learned how to school people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was really good. And I feel like in the
Speaker 1: beginning she was so quiet, I wasn't noticing her, and
Speaker 1: then she really came into her own.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hate to say this, but Tom Sandoval is fun
Speaker 1: to watch on that show, Like he's you hate him
Speaker 1: so much and he's such an idiot, like you do have.
Speaker 3: To have kind of an idiot?
Speaker 1: And how about how about literally I was just I
Speaker 1: was texting you about this.
Speaker 3: I was texting other friends about this.
Speaker 1: I was like, does Sam talk like they've literally given
Speaker 1: him no confessionals, Like is he okay? Or did they
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Speaker 1: get started. This is a wild episode from the early days.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what a treat we are doing the
Speaker 1: second episode ever of SVU. This is season one episode
Speaker 1: Dose Everybody, taking you back to September of ninety nine,
Speaker 1: wherever you maybe.
Speaker 3: Were at that time. I was in college.
Speaker 1: But Baby Benson is in the light gray blazer and
Speaker 1: slacks that she wears in the credit opener Thrilling, and
Speaker 1: she's at this little like New York style grocery store
Speaker 1: like Bodie, like you know, it's a little New York
Speaker 1: grocery shop or whatever.
Speaker 2: This is very Yeah, this reminds me of early Sex
Speaker 2: in the City because they tried to paint Samantha as
Speaker 2: like sad.
Speaker 3: I mean, you didn't even get to it. I'll get
Speaker 3: let you get to it.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh I'm bringing up I'm bringing up the Sex
Speaker 1: and the City comparisons. Oh yeah, they're Sex and the
Speaker 1: City comparisons all over this.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Yes, for sure, I'm getting I'm getting to them. But
Speaker 1: this guy is, like, you know, it is a cutie
Speaker 1: kind of Sex and the City moment that she's having
Speaker 1: with this like grocery guy where he's like two tomatoes
Speaker 1: for a dollar. She's like, I only need one, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're definitely we're telegraphing. She's a single gal
Speaker 1: on the go. She doesn't need a bunch of tomatoes.
Speaker 1: She just needs one.
Speaker 2: She lives alone, and by the way she says it,
Speaker 2: and I just need one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a cute little and then the guy.
Speaker 1: Goes pity and live goes tragic, like it's like such
Speaker 1: a cute little it could have truly come out of
Speaker 1: Michael Patrick King like dialogue.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Then, of course, on her walk home to pop open
Speaker 1: a bottle of red wine and forget about the horrors
Speaker 1: of her job, Benson strolls by a full on crime scene.
Speaker 1: A woman is on top of a car. It looks
Speaker 1: like a jumper situation. Benson goes under the crime scene
Speaker 1: tape announces herself as police. There is a funny moment
Speaker 1: if you rewatch the episode. She flashes her badge at
Speaker 1: a uniform officer who is not looking at her at all.
Speaker 3: He has his back door.
Speaker 1: She's just like, here's my badge and he's not looking
Speaker 1: and then she asks is it a jumper, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: jumpers open the window first. This woman like smashed through
Speaker 1: the glass, cleared the sidewalk, and landed basically in a
Speaker 1: neglige on the car.
Speaker 3: She's like in a little nightie. The owner of the
Speaker 3: car is worked up.
Speaker 1: He's like, I just parked here for twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: it's like, buddy, I don't know what you want here.
Speaker 1: There is a dead woman on your car, Like take
Speaker 1: a cab, Like you're not getting car back right now.
Speaker 1: He's just like yelling for the sake of yelling. He's like, great,
Speaker 1: perfect dead to a perfect day. It's like, I wonder
Speaker 1: what else happened to you that day. The woman looks
Speaker 1: pretty hot even dead on top of the car, like
Speaker 1: her body really stayed intact. It's just like she has
Speaker 1: streaks of blood, but the usual it's not like the
Speaker 1: usual thing that you hear, Like I remember I met
Speaker 1: doctor Immani from Married to Medicine on a show that
Speaker 1: we did together, and she was like, I used to
Speaker 1: work in morgues and you cannot believe what happens to
Speaker 1: the human body when somebody jumps off a building, Like
Speaker 1: you cannot, but like you can never be prepared for
Speaker 1: what you see. And this woman's like, you know, eight
Speaker 1: stories she fell. She's like on a car. She still
Speaker 1: looks pretty gorgeous. So it's just not what I would
Speaker 1: expect anyway, liv asks the unis have you notified SVU?
Speaker 1: And the guys scoff and they're like, oh, because she's
Speaker 1: not wearing panties. And we have to remember this is
Speaker 1: the beginning of the series where nobody respects SVU at all.
Speaker 1: They constantly call them like the panty police or whatever,
Speaker 1: and Live yells at them just cover her up. So
Speaker 1: now up in the apartment, Stabler's on the scene into
Speaker 1: this other like lead lead cop seeming guy filling him in.
Speaker 1: He's like, no sign of forced entry. Two glasses of
Speaker 1: half drunk wine, two sets of prints, must have been
Speaker 1: a lover's quarrel, he says, and Stabler goes, yeah, you
Speaker 1: usually kiss and make up. And then this CSU guy
Speaker 1: shows up and he's like, look, I found ultra ribs,
Speaker 1: like con condoms that are ultra ribs, and the other
Speaker 1: cop goes, well, maybe they did more than just kiss
Speaker 1: and lives like not feeling the jokey vibe with these men,
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, maybe he read her some Walt Whitman.
Speaker 1: Then they made hat passionate passionate love, and then right
Speaker 1: before he rolled over bell asleep, he heaved her out
Speaker 1: the window, excuse me, through the window, so the guy's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: what's this little outburst about. And Live is like rape,
Speaker 1: it's about rape, and he's scoffing and saying like I
Speaker 1: said no fourth entry. She's like, I didn't say it
Speaker 1: was a stranger, bro. He's like, well, she wasn't exactly
Speaker 1: dressed in her refusal outfit.
Speaker 3: Ugh.
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I didn't hear you say that. And the
Speaker 1: guy's like, who the hell are you guys? Anyway, the
Speaker 1: political correctness squad again this you know, this episode's twenty
Speaker 1: five years old, same same assles out there. He flashes
Speaker 1: his badge and intros them as SVU and the guy's like,
Speaker 1: you want this case, you take it and lives like
Speaker 1: looking out the broken window holding a beautiful photo of
Speaker 1: this woman like from you know, her regular life, and
Speaker 1: then they look down at her dead body on top
Speaker 1: of the car and it's honestly a wild shot, like
Speaker 1: and that's the credits. So now at the precinct, Stabler's
Speaker 1: looking at the crime scene photos. This woman felt eight
Speaker 1: stories and uh, you know, very sensitive Cassidy as usual goal.
Speaker 3: She looked like she got shot out of a cannon.
Speaker 1: And Craigan's like, maybe the guy was like roid it out,
Speaker 1: like maybe the void rage thing.
Speaker 3: Are you a six feet Under person? Where are you?
Speaker 1: I forget I started in the pandemic. I'm a good
Speaker 1: way through the first season, but I didn't keep going.
Speaker 2: Well that because I was I unfortunately what you said
Speaker 2: haunted me about the person, about jumping out the windows
Speaker 2: and how they look and now the cannon, and I
Speaker 2: was just thinking about that, unfortunately. And Six Feet Under
Speaker 2: did a good job of like showing the bot like
Speaker 2: what app actually happens to the bodies because the beginning
Speaker 2: of every episode there's like a crazy death. You know,
Speaker 2: there's six seasons. Yeah and that, Yeah, that's the only show.
Speaker 1: So I was like, they don't really show that, but
Speaker 1: not show they do really show the mangle oldness because
Speaker 1: the least part of the job is to make them
Speaker 1: look good for the funeral.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you don't. We don't think about them. It's scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are tough jobs. These are really fucking tough jobs.
Speaker 2: Like this like Melinda Warner like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I know? I know I could not be me, but
Speaker 1: she she does it with Grayson style.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: Craigan thinks that maybe this guy was routed out like
Speaker 1: a guy that just throws a woman through a window out.
Speaker 3: You know, eight stories.
Speaker 1: Munch is like, nah, the Yankees are out of town,
Speaker 1: and then he and Stable are exchanged some kind of
Speaker 1: baseball jabs and lives like it could just be run
Speaker 1: of the mill male rage, like it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be athletes or or like, you know, steroid related. Jeffrey's like,
Speaker 1: is there a boyfriend and Munch goes? Or a girlfriend?
Speaker 1: I bet you could toss one hundred pounds and Jeffries goes,
Speaker 1: I'll toss you, you skinny ass, and Munch goes.
Speaker 3: There's the rage.
Speaker 1: And these early episodes are so good because the pacing
Speaker 1: is like a sitcom. I mean they are like bop
Speaker 1: bop bop bo Like they are joke joke joke, like
Speaker 1: getting on each other. Information is being passed like so quickly,
Speaker 1: Like I love the early season so much. So nobody
Speaker 1: knew this woman in her building beside beyond a smile
Speaker 1: in a way if like she worked at home, she
Speaker 1: carried a laptop. Munch then immediately gets into a full
Speaker 1: spiral about laptops. He's like, laptops are a pyramid scheme.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what He's like, whatever happened to Penns? And
Speaker 1: it's like it's just such a funny nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 1: take that laptops are a pyramid scheme. She had an
Speaker 1: appointment the victim with a doctor Daniels every Tuesday and Thursday.
Speaker 1: At by point fifteen, the victim was a writer. She
Speaker 1: wrote an article called street Crazies, budget Cuts and the
Speaker 1: mentally Ill, another article called designer Vaginas?
Speaker 3: Is this healthcare?
Speaker 1: And I think Sex and the City had premiered just
Speaker 1: a year earlier. I think this woman is supposed to
Speaker 1: be a Carry Bradshaw type. Okay, she's a sexually active writer,
Speaker 1: single living in Manhattan. I think that there's no that's
Speaker 1: not no accident that this show had just aired a
Speaker 1: year earlier.
Speaker 3: And it is like taking the world by storm.
Speaker 1: Okay, So they go through the actual rolodex, like she
Speaker 1: has a physical rolodex, and everyone in there is a man,
Speaker 1: and they're just trying to act like what a slut,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like maybe she's a Samantha slash Carrie.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Carrie has sex with plenty of guys,
Speaker 1: Like I think that.
Speaker 2: They even Charlotte, I think they did the math and
Speaker 2: Charlotte like fucked seventy guys.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: They all have high body count hair, yeah, one hundred,
Speaker 2: but not even like now I'm even saying more and
Speaker 2: more of the sex in the city would like caught
Speaker 2: me because I'm you know, it's always on, But I
Speaker 2: caught a couple of season one episodes and in the beginning,
Speaker 2: like Samantha ended up being really empowered and cool, but
Speaker 2: it didn't start that way.
Speaker 3: They painted her out as sad. Oh at the beginning, because.
Speaker 2: There's a scene, yeah, because like this guy tries to
Speaker 2: fuck Charlotte on a date and Charlotte doesn't want to
Speaker 2: and then they get into a cab and she's like,
Speaker 2: where are you going and goes listen, I like what
Speaker 2: you're doing here, but I need to get laid. And
Speaker 2: then Samantha goes home with that guy and it's painted
Speaker 2: really sad, like she has nothing and he's like, you
Speaker 2: need to be out in the morning, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm busy, and like it was just blues and not
Speaker 2: as the Samantha we know. Yeah, and this is very
Speaker 2: this and it keeps going where it's like the sad
Speaker 2: Kathy Comic Existence for Ye're Alone woman Vibe too totally
Speaker 2: totally so they have you seen the reel? There's like
Speaker 2: a reel It says the reason men don't believe women
Speaker 2: are single by choice is because men are not.
Speaker 3: Single by choice.
Speaker 2: Oh no, way a pretty good right, Yeah yeah that
Speaker 2: is good because they're just like you sad women. And
Speaker 2: these women are like, I don't know, we're kind of
Speaker 2: doing okay, I.
Speaker 1: Think, and we can have like like single women can
Speaker 1: have sex as much as they want, Like I think
Speaker 1: these guys are like, oh, we're just like not getting
Speaker 1: that either, like these men, yeah you know, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So they find doctor Mark Daniels. He's a clinical psychologist.
Speaker 1: Munch finds another article, how to build a Better Orgasm,
Speaker 1: is something she wrote in Cosmo. I mean please, that's
Speaker 1: Kandice Bushnell written all over it. Munch says, somebody might
Speaker 1: kill for this, but I feel like they're missing out
Speaker 1: on Munch saying something like, if you build it, they
Speaker 1: will come.
Speaker 3: So that's just like a note I.
Speaker 1: Have like guys just like as an alt joke, pass
Speaker 1: like there's something that could be there with Munch because
Speaker 1: he's also just been talking about baseball anyway, Hey, Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: go check the neighborhood. And they're like, Cassidy, you're in
Speaker 1: court tomorrow for the subway stroker case. Okay, because like
Speaker 1: they used to do this a lot in the early seasons,
Speaker 1: like they would just have one of them go off
Speaker 1: into court.
Speaker 3: Kind of in the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't as much of like an actual prosecution
Speaker 1: at the end, and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go. It wasn't as divided into like first there's
Speaker 1: the crime part, then there's the court case part, like
Speaker 1: so you know this is how they got the court
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 3: Well, it is.
Speaker 2: And this therapist is in other episodes of SVU. Yes
Speaker 2: he is, yeah, Greek last name him and Angie Cassavadas
Speaker 2: I bet yes could be friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah fourshore oh bah. So back at the
Speaker 1: victim's apartment, they check her answering machine.
Speaker 3: Her name is Gretchen. She has no messages.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they already know her name because they've found
Speaker 1: a bunch of articles she wrote, but whatever, she has
Speaker 1: no messages. Benson is outside talking to a neighbor. She's like,
Speaker 1: I heard rough housing, like people throwing things. Then I
Speaker 1: heard the scream, the crunch, and then the car alarm,
Speaker 1: and they're like, did you see anyone leave her apartment?
Speaker 3: And she's such a classic SBU witness.
Speaker 1: She goes, yeah, like I was supposed to stick my
Speaker 1: head out and checks that he could see me, and
Speaker 1: then she just walks away. And then a yuppie couple
Speaker 1: approaches Live immediately to go and goes, how long will
Speaker 1: the apartment be a crime scene because we're next on
Speaker 1: the list for one bedroom. It's like so sick. They
Speaker 1: like don't care what happened to the woman. They don't
Speaker 1: care about anything. They just want her one bedroom. That
Speaker 1: also feels like very comedy, like very sex and the city,
Speaker 1: like making jokes about living in New York, you know.
Speaker 1: Stabler fucks with them and goes, well, I'm went the
Speaker 1: real estate board and you guys are off the list now,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, so now live an Elliott or
Speaker 1: chatting she's like half the building say they can't even
Speaker 1: tell their neighbors from the perp, and Sablers asking live like, well,
Speaker 1: could you tell? And she's like, I work all the
Speaker 1: time and he's like, you know, they say the burbs
Speaker 1: are anonymous and like he's trying to like jab her,
Speaker 1: and she's like, cause I live in Manhattan and he's like.
Speaker 3: He lives in Queens and she's like saying, Queens is
Speaker 3: the burbs. It's kind of a stretch.
Speaker 1: But he argues, Wow, we got space, we got trees
Speaker 1: at a lawn to mow, and lives like, oh fine.
Speaker 3: That's yeah crazy. It's like, no one's mad at you
Speaker 3: for living like that.
Speaker 2: Why the pressure to like, why the invalidation of someone
Speaker 2: just kind of wanting something different. It's just so confusing,
Speaker 2: but such a part of our culture still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And certain buildings are like people do all know
Speaker 1: each other, and certain buildings are like people don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's kind of like a vibe I
Speaker 3: don't think in New York it's like you don't know
Speaker 3: your neighbors.
Speaker 1: I knew some of mine, and she said, like I
Speaker 1: at least knew who they looked like and what their
Speaker 1: names were. If they died, I'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is her first and last name, you know. But
Speaker 1: lives like, oh, I really want a picture of you
Speaker 1: mowing the law And then she's like, admitted, Kathy does
Speaker 1: all the housework. You're never home and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's the man of the house. And he says to
Speaker 1: live you're lucky. You got nothing to worry about, no
Speaker 1: lawn to mow, and she's like, yeah, I'm a regular monk.
Speaker 1: And then he goes monkket, which is spot on a
Speaker 1: joke my dad would make. Oh my god, the monkket
Speaker 1: joke like gave me a full lurch. And they have
Speaker 1: this weird moment where he's like staring at her and
Speaker 1: she's like what and he's like nothing. And I don't
Speaker 1: really know what's going on there, but I also think
Speaker 1: this is like it's just this is wildly like twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago, where it's like, oh, your life is
Speaker 1: so easy because you live alone and you don't have kids,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's plenty of things to fucking worry
Speaker 1: about in the world when you're a single person.
Speaker 3: You know, well, not only.
Speaker 2: That, it's just like, you know, it's it's seeing a
Speaker 2: show figure itself out. It's episode two. You know, it's
Speaker 2: this new thing. They're coming out from Law and Order.
Speaker 2: So it's like the tone that's built, you know, there's
Speaker 2: just this journey and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't that's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2: And this is the culture like season one of Seinfelder
Speaker 2: The Simpson's roomn that's like, who knows if it would
Speaker 2: have gotten a second season or been able to grow
Speaker 2: into something like it's really just changed so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's not making the money, the tech guys
Speaker 1: don't want it, bottom line baby. So he cuts his
Speaker 1: Stabler at his house and he's pulling shit out of
Speaker 1: the garbage disposal as Elizabeth plays Old MacDonald pretty badly
Speaker 1: on the piano, and yes it is an Elizabeth sighting
Speaker 1: the forgotten Stabler. We barely ever see her again. Maureen is,
Speaker 1: she's one of the twins. She's twins with Dicky. Maureen
Speaker 1: is gabbing on a cordless phone and Stabler's like annoyed
Speaker 1: that they broke the disposal, Why putting too much shit
Speaker 1: down there? Then he gets it working. He's so proud
Speaker 1: until Dicky walks in and goes.
Speaker 3: Have you guys seen my turtle?
Speaker 1: I left it in the sink, and then him and
Speaker 1: Kathy share a look over a turtle murder that he
Speaker 1: just committed. Like again, it just feels like sitcom Like
Speaker 1: this just feels like sitcom like moments.
Speaker 3: They're so it's funny to me.
Speaker 1: Now in court Law and Order regular Ada Abby Carmichael
Speaker 1: played by Angie Harmon, who I've always thought was so beautiful,
Speaker 1: but then I did here she's a Republican, so I
Speaker 1: don't know she's questioning Cassidy.
Speaker 3: Where we've got Cassidy's subway stroker case.
Speaker 1: Okay, now this is a case of a professor at
Speaker 1: Manhattan University assaulting a sleeping woman on the train. Cassidy
Speaker 1: is a cutie, but he's also such a dope. He like,
Speaker 1: he knows he can't say dick or junken court, so
Speaker 1: he quickly is like a genital region and then he
Speaker 1: has to stop himself from saying, oh, he just did it,
Speaker 1: until he can't. He can't say finished, his intended result
Speaker 1: or whatever, Like he won't say it came, you know.
Speaker 3: He's like, he's like a child.
Speaker 1: And now it's time for the defense to question him,
Speaker 1: and they're like, so you're an expert at sex crimes,
Speaker 1: which seems like a dig because Cassidy just said he'd
Speaker 1: only been at SVU for eight months. And he's like, so,
Speaker 1: what's the psycho sexual name for fondling a stranger? And
Speaker 1: Cassidy says fromage, and of course that is the French
Speaker 1: word for cheese. He's trying to say freutage. And then
Speaker 1: the lawyer reveals that the woman on the train was
Speaker 1: not sleeping, she was in fact dead, So what is
Speaker 1: that called? And Cassidy has an outburst and he goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's called, but I call it disgusting.
Speaker 1: And the defense guy's trying to make it look like, well,
Speaker 1: there is no assault because the victim was dead, and
Speaker 1: he's making Cassidy look like a clown in the process. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that's like a little side from the rest of
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: In Cragan's office, Benson and Stabler walk in. Stabler says,
Speaker 1: you look about as happy as a postal worker at Christmas. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: this woman's got no threats from exes, no messages. They go,
Speaker 1: this woman makes Jade Salinger look like a shriner, and
Speaker 1: Craigan says, not one person in her life, even though
Speaker 1: she's dead yet and if the guy had killed her
Speaker 1: in her home, she might not have been found for
Speaker 1: weeks or months, And.
Speaker 3: It's kind of fucked up again to actle.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have friends, she doesn't have anyone that's checking
Speaker 1: on her, like, I'm sure she has a friend. Benson's like, God,
Speaker 1: can you imagine living like that? And then Stabler gives
Speaker 1: her a weird look again and she's like what. So
Speaker 1: it's like basically Stabler keeps like p acting this woman's
Speaker 1: lifestyle on Benson, like, Oh, it's so sad. You guys
Speaker 1: are just single and don't have anyone, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: you could just get murdered and no one would even
Speaker 1: fucking notice, and it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: So then anyway, they're like, let's go talk to the shrink.
Speaker 1: So now, Doctor Mark Daniels as Lisa mentioned, is played
Speaker 1: by Dennis Boots Karis Okay, who is also in the
Speaker 1: SBU episode Shadow, which is the Sarah Paulson episode.
Speaker 3: I think he's the.
Speaker 1: Guy that she calls, like the family lawyer that she's
Speaker 1: calling to like fix everything up. He's also in Producer's
Speaker 1: back End, which we have also done, which is that
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan esque episode with Stevie Lynn Jones where like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's trying to make Amorrow look like he
Speaker 1: did something bad and this guy actually has one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five credits.
Speaker 3: Dennis Putzikaris.
Speaker 1: So he's been a working man since the eighties, since
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, so you can check him out. He's been
Speaker 1: in a lot, you know him. He's one of those
Speaker 1: guys you're like, how do I.
Speaker 3: Know that face? And he thinks that.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler are a couple attempting a walk in
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, sir, your next patient is in
Speaker 1: fact dead, so you've got some time and they need
Speaker 1: his help with next to of kin and he's like,
Speaker 1: I can't do that, and Benson's like, yeah, doctor patient privileged.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah, we can get a court order.
Speaker 1: Then he caves. He opens the file. He's like, Gretchen's
Speaker 1: parents are dead. She has a sister named Ellen who
Speaker 1: lives in Denver. She was very private, he says afterwards,
Speaker 1: lives like did you notice he didn't even ask how
Speaker 1: she died? And Stabler agrees like, yo, yeah, that guy's
Speaker 1: stonewalling us. So now they're talking to the emmy, who
Speaker 1: is doctor Elizabeth Rodgers played by Leslie Hendrix. We've talked
Speaker 1: about her before. She was the Melinda of season one.
Speaker 1: She did nine episodes of SVU and then unfortunately Melinda
Speaker 1: moved in and we never saw her again. But she's
Speaker 1: quite good. She doesn't even say hi. She just starts
Speaker 1: listing off injuries from the fall and no sign of
Speaker 1: a struggle. She says, no sign of a struggle from
Speaker 1: before the fall. She's like, no contusions, no internal abrasions,
Speaker 1: and Lives like, yeah, but a gun to the side
Speaker 1: of the head wouldn't leave an abrasion. And the Emmy
Speaker 1: is like, girl, chill, I am on your side. So
Speaker 1: back at the office now. Lives put her hair in
Speaker 1: a ponytail because she's frustrated and she needs to get
Speaker 1: down to work and she can't have her beautiful hair
Speaker 1: falling in her face. She's left messages for everyone that
Speaker 1: the shrink gave them, including the sister, left voicemails for everyone.
Speaker 1: They're hearing back from nobody. They tell Craigan that the
Speaker 1: shrink was uncooperative, and Craigan's like, well, get a court
Speaker 1: order to stop his pussy footing. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you had a feeling on the word pussy footing.
Speaker 1: That's so yeah, And then Stabler gets a call right
Speaker 1: there and then on Cragan's office phone. I don't really
Speaker 1: know how this place works with the phone, where Craigan
Speaker 1: is like, it's for you, Elliott, and it's the lead.
Speaker 1: And then the print on the wineglasses matches a guy
Speaker 1: with a record in Albany, not a prisoner. A shrink
Speaker 1: done done, Doctor Mark Daniels, her shrink that they just
Speaker 1: talked to. The wineglass prints are his. So Craigan goes,
Speaker 1: guess the pussy footing's over. I would love them to
Speaker 1: name an episode pussyfooting. So now we're talking to the
Speaker 1: shrink and he's got his brother with him, and his
Speaker 1: brother is his lawyer, and he's like, legally his hands
Speaker 1: are tied. He can't help you. And then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: what about the Prince. You were in the room of
Speaker 1: a murder, a victim, like right before she was murdered,
Speaker 1: so we actually can't talk to Youdaniels is about to
Speaker 1: explain it why he was in his client's apartment when
Speaker 1: his lawyer is like, he was there at lunchtime upon
Speaker 1: request to attend to a crisis and live goes or
Speaker 1: an erection, and I do like that, good one. Daniels
Speaker 1: is insulted, and Stabler's like, I thought the lack of
Speaker 1: a boner was insulting.
Speaker 3: So there they're Jabin, their Jim in their Jabin. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of jokes.
Speaker 1: His brother says he was back at the office seeing
Speaker 1: patients by two thirty, and at eight o'clock, which was
Speaker 1: the time of the fall, he was at a lady
Speaker 1: therapist's apartment having dinner. Got there at six thirty, left
Speaker 1: at mine, cut to the walk and talk with the therapist.
Speaker 1: She confirms he was there. They ask if she knows
Speaker 1: any woman he's getting busy with. She says, our relationship
Speaker 1: is professional. I have no interest in his personal life,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's wild. I am interested in everyone's
Speaker 1: personal life. Like anything you want to tell me, I
Speaker 1: want to hear it, like I would never be like,
Speaker 1: that's actually not appropriate. I shouldn't be hearing this about you. Outside.
Speaker 1: They can't tell if this woman's covering for him or not.
Speaker 1: Stabler gets another call. It's a contact at the New
Speaker 1: York Ledger, where she wrote and let me just say
Speaker 1: Carrie Bradshaw wrote for The New York Star, which was
Speaker 1: a made up version of The New York Observer, which
Speaker 1: Candice Bushnell wrote for. So the New York Ledger. Here
Speaker 1: we go at the Ledger Elliott introduces live to his
Speaker 1: connect there, and his name is Michael Gaston, the actor,
Speaker 1: and you would recognize him. He's in tons of stuff.
Speaker 1: He's been in four svus, He's in The Man in
Speaker 1: the High Castle. The Leftovers also has one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five credits, just like Dennis like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: like there's so many people I'm gonna name that have
Speaker 1: a ton of credits and it's just like very classic
Speaker 1: second episode of Best View. They're just like we got
Speaker 1: to get in all the good character people that work
Speaker 1: in New York and stuff. So he's like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is your new partner. She's better looking than Alphons and
Speaker 1: I guess that's Stabler's last partner. And I never remembered
Speaker 1: his name being Alphonse. Now, yeah, good trivia.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy calls him a fatso and asked if he
Speaker 1: died of a heart attack, and Stabler's like, no, he
Speaker 1: just retired and moved to Florida, and the guy goes, same,
Speaker 1: diff so love this. They show him the photo of
Speaker 1: this woman and he's like, I don't recognize her, but
Speaker 1: then they show her the crime scene photo and he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you mean this is the woman that got like defenestrated
Speaker 1: or whatever. I saw this in the competition. We don't
Speaker 1: really go for death scenes. So he's acting like, we're
Speaker 1: not the New York Post. We're like, you know, the better,
Speaker 1: Like we don't go for that shit. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the equivalent would be, is the New York Daily
Speaker 1: News like a little bit better?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: They say her name is Gretchen Quinn and he's like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I talked to her a couple.
Speaker 3: Times on the phone. She'd call me to tell me
Speaker 3: she liked my columns.
Speaker 1: But I'm not an editor, so I didn't hire her,
Speaker 1: Like she's just another byline to me. And then he's
Speaker 1: looking at the picture of her just being like this
Speaker 1: girl is and then Benson goes, what a stone cold
Speaker 1: fox a babe? And he goes, no, you're a stone
Speaker 1: cold fox and a babe, and Benson just like Benson
Speaker 1: just goes like she just like lash. She doesn't even
Speaker 1: like roll her eyes. She's just like yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: And then he goes, no, this is some deep, deep
Speaker 1: hole you'd have to fall into, like what a waste,
Speaker 1: like just you know, he's sort of.
Speaker 3: Sad about the woman's death.
Speaker 1: So now Benson and Stable are getting hot dogs from
Speaker 1: a street vendor, as every New Yorker does for lunch.
Speaker 1: How many hot dogs have you had from a street
Speaker 1: vendor since you moved back in February. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I famously don't like New York hot dogs. That's vastly
Speaker 1: like a fat. I've had had them at baseball games.
Speaker 1: I've had them at events, I've had them in the
Speaker 1: movie theater. I think already I have found hot dogs,
Speaker 1: but it's mostly shake Shack because they have Vienna beef.
Speaker 1: And then there's a five Guys nearby I haven't been yet,
Speaker 1: but and then Westville if you can get a hot
Speaker 1: dog for four dollars or two hot dog meal.
Speaker 3: So but not on the street.
Speaker 1: But not the streets like when I lived in New
Speaker 1: York for eleven years, I maybe had one street hot
Speaker 1: dog ever, when like somebody was visiting and I was like, sure,
Speaker 1: let's do this for you. But I don't think I
Speaker 1: ever did that. But you know people are eating them.
Speaker 1: They they weren't off the street.
Speaker 2: It is like a chicken rice like I would eat,
Speaker 2: like halal, like I would eat at a hullal truck
Speaker 2: over any other street.
Speaker 1: And I would get those nuts all the time. Those
Speaker 1: candied nuts I would get all the time in pat
Speaker 1: Central Park. I love those. Oh, I think those are
Speaker 1: so good, those little roasted nuts that are sugary. Oh
Speaker 1: love them. So Benson's on the phone finding out that
Speaker 1: Gretchen had a lot of pricey dinners on her credit
Speaker 1: card in the last year, and the last one was
Speaker 1: for three hundred and seventy two dollars at Iel Postovecchio
Speaker 1: and three hundred seventy two dollars in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pricey. That's a pricey fucking, you know dinner.
Speaker 1: That's a pricey fucking dinner now, but like now I
Speaker 1: think that's like five hundred dollars. So now they're at
Speaker 1: Eel Postovecchio and the host is like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So many beautiful people come in the air and then
Speaker 1: they flash their badges and he's like immediately spills. He's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: she was with one of the anchors, not local, either national.
Speaker 1: And then a waitress you know, stumbles up and goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like she was with Dallas Warner. I got a serious
Speaker 1: tip and she's there like oh from him, and she goes, no,
Speaker 1: not from him, from her.
Speaker 3: I guess she was his boss. I love that.
Speaker 1: So there's a little feminism happening in this episode. At
Speaker 1: the news station Dallas, Warner is in a walk and
Speaker 1: talk with Benson and Stabler and seemingly avoiding all the
Speaker 1: questions on purpose. And he is played by another working guy,
Speaker 1: Michael Nori. He's been in a ton of episodes of
Speaker 1: All My Children, Damages, you know, my original binge watch obsession,
Speaker 1: the OC.
Speaker 3: He's got one hundred and thirty eight credits.
Speaker 1: No, no, you know this guy from something okay, And
Speaker 1: they're like, quit bullshitting, and he's like, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: Greshion in a month. And then he's like, I was
Speaker 1: with my wife last night, and the restaurant can confirm,
Speaker 1: and he hopes they can confirm his alibi without having
Speaker 1: to contact the wife, like you know, basically like please
Speaker 1: be discreet. So afterwards they go watch him on air
Speaker 1: with his newscast and they call him a sociopath and
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, you know, with a cheating narcissist
Speaker 1: like this, his alibi is gonna check out. So now
Speaker 1: they're at the Black Pearl and they are talking to
Speaker 1: a very sassy waiter. And this man's career did not
Speaker 1: take off. He stopped acting. He only has like four
Speaker 1: credits and I'm upset because I love him here and
Speaker 1: it's just like a thirty second little speech and it's
Speaker 1: so funny and so like from the second episode, they
Speaker 1: were setting the stage for what you're supposed to do
Speaker 1: when you have a couple of lines on this show,
Speaker 1: like this is what you're supposed to do. This guy goes, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: She was having drinks with that gorgeous anchorman what's his name,
Speaker 1: Warner Warren whatever? Women who knows I should have such problems.
Speaker 1: She was stroking his arms crying. He was sitting up
Speaker 1: straight looking around.
Speaker 3: I see this scene one hundred times a week, baby,
Speaker 3: and the body language it was personal, as in the
Speaker 3: man was already gonde like.
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's classic. He's amazing. Okay, so now
Speaker 1: we have to see someone live your dreams, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if anybody knows who this guy is, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you're quote acting because this is amazing.
Speaker 3: You do a great job on this episode.
Speaker 1: Back to talking to Dallas, he says he was with
Speaker 1: her Monday night when he found out she was dead.
Speaker 1: He was shocked, and they're like, yeah, you like lied
Speaker 1: to us, and he was like, well, I was just shocked.
Speaker 3: I didn't know. And then he was like I was
Speaker 3: good for Gretchen.
Speaker 1: Before me, she'd been with a bunch of lying psychos,
Speaker 1: says a married man who is having an affair with her.
Speaker 1: He said, the last time he saw her, she called crying.
Speaker 1: They met for drinks. She told him she'd be she'd
Speaker 1: been banging her psychiatrists. It'd been going on for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Benson makes a snide comment, did you
Speaker 1: used the word banging or did he use the word bang?
Speaker 1: I did, he didn't use it. Okay, that's my edit.
Speaker 1: That's my edit.
Speaker 2: Because it does say a lot about a person and
Speaker 2: we needed to know.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, sorry.
Speaker 1: In my quest to make things quicker, I did just
Speaker 1: say banging instead of, you know, having an affair or whatever,
Speaker 1: having a sexual relationship. Like she thought it was hot
Speaker 1: that he knew all of her little like dark secrets
Speaker 1: and that he was still into her.
Speaker 3: So that's why, you know, which is probably what happens.
Speaker 1: When a lot of people have affairs with psychiatrist with
Speaker 1: her own psychiatrists and Benson, which should never happen and
Speaker 1: I think is truly such a horrible act of misconduct.
Speaker 1: Benson makes a snide comment and this guy Warren goes, well,
Speaker 1: if you want to be snotty, I'll call my lawyer
Speaker 1: and stop cooperating. And then she goes, yeah, and I'll
Speaker 1: call your lawyer and ask him if you killed Gretchen
Speaker 1: and it's like, lol, he won't tell you, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's like not a that's not a tit
Speaker 1: for tat Benson. But he's like, why would I kill her?
Speaker 1: And lives like to keep her from blabbing to your wife,
Speaker 1: and Stable has to pull Benson out of the room
Speaker 1: and he tells her why don't you go get an
Speaker 1: obb started, which I don't know what that is, and outside,
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, you want me to hit him for you?
Speaker 1: And then Sin's like, no, I'm the only reason we're
Speaker 1: not making any progress with this guy, Like he's a
Speaker 1: pompous jerk. He's not going to deal with a woman
Speaker 1: like you go in there, you deal with him, and
Speaker 1: like we're all good. Like so they're not even right
Speaker 1: from the bat. It's like this is episode two. They're
Speaker 1: already have such a big trust in each other that
Speaker 1: he's like, it's just not working with you in there,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I know, like she's not even.
Speaker 3: Like you're pulling me out, you know, like it's I
Speaker 3: just I like that. They're already establishing this that episode too.
Speaker 1: So Stabler meets Dallas on the roof now and back
Speaker 1: to all the info about the shrink. Gretchen said, yes,
Speaker 1: at first it was exhilarating. He know all my secrets
Speaker 1: but still wanted to, you know, be with me and
Speaker 1: attract it to me. Dallas told her to sue him,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, well, we need you to testify, and
Speaker 1: he goes, no, this was off the record, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: this isn't sixty minutes, Like you can't just like tell
Speaker 1: cops things off the record. And he's like, well, it's
Speaker 1: your word against mine, and mine is trusted around the world.
Speaker 1: And then Stabler lightly, lightly threatens to tell his wife
Speaker 1: about the affair, So we leave it at that. Back
Speaker 1: at the house, they're downloading Daddy Kragan. Warner's like, they, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: this guy's name is Warner, but he's not Warner.
Speaker 3: Dallas.
Speaker 1: Warner has a solid alibi and he wouldn't offer up
Speaker 1: a dinner in a public space if he was lying,
Speaker 1: Like he wouldn't be like, oh, go ask all these people.
Speaker 1: You know, they still don't have anyone to release Gretchen's
Speaker 1: body to, and they haven't had a chance to sift
Speaker 1: through all her stuff. And Craigan's like, you know what
Speaker 1: a great time would be that to do that, and
Speaker 1: they have all just started to sit down, and so no,
Speaker 1: they all stand up because they're going to start.
Speaker 3: Doing it now.
Speaker 1: Munch and Cassidy are walking and talking and Munch is
Speaker 1: teaching him the Greek like necro is death phelia is
Speaker 1: necrophiliasphilia is to like, so it's like necrophilia.
Speaker 3: It's cute.
Speaker 1: He's like giving him a lesson because he didn't no
Speaker 1: necrophilia on the stand.
Speaker 3: So now they're going through all of Gretcham in their desk.
Speaker 1: City is just an embarrassment, I know, I know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't so hot, are you kidding? I know? I
Speaker 1: think they knew a guy like that was never gonna
Speaker 1: last on the squad. So they're going through gretchen stuff
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, she has a file called penis
Speaker 1: dot quotes there's something called Biology of the Amazons by
Speaker 1: Gretchen Quinn. Olivia starts reading a passage about a fish
Speaker 1: more fear than the piranha, and Craigan just pipes in
Speaker 1: and goes, oh, yeah the cand ru and interrupts them,
Speaker 1: and Stabler goes what And they have to explain to
Speaker 1: Stabler that this is the fish that swims up your
Speaker 1: dick and like has spikes, so it's like you can't
Speaker 1: get it. And Craigan learned about it in Vietnam. They
Speaker 1: told you not to hold your nose, hold your stones.
Speaker 1: And Stabler finds something. Look at this and overdue library
Speaker 1: book from Patterson High School in East Bergen, New Jersey.
Speaker 1: It's like a twenty year overdue book. So they go
Speaker 1: to East Patterson. There is Seinfeld. Yes, they go to
Speaker 1: eastburg in New Jersey. They find out Gretchen Quinn's real
Speaker 1: name is Susan Sadarski and they're about to talk to
Speaker 1: the shrink and Live really wants to be the one
Speaker 1: to pull the hair out for DNA. She's like, can
Speaker 1: I pull the hair out please? So now they're talking
Speaker 1: to Daniels and he's like, look, Gretchen had classic symptoms
Speaker 1: of childhood sexual abuse. She was overly promiscuous, seductive, always
Speaker 1: asking me if I found her attractive. She told him
Speaker 1: that her father started abusing her after her thirteenth birthday.
Speaker 1: Lives like be specific and he's like intercourse. And once
Speaker 1: she graduated high school, she ran away. She moved almost
Speaker 1: every year, and then she settled in New York. She
Speaker 1: saw him twice a week. It was must have been expensive,
Speaker 1: and they're like, and the guy goes, well, she had
Speaker 1: a trust fund, but she refused to touch it. He
Speaker 1: says to them that sex for Gretchen was anonymous and joyless.
Speaker 1: She'd pick any man on the block as long as
Speaker 1: she picked him before he picked her. She had a
Speaker 1: history of deranged lovers, and they're like cool arranged more often, Doraine,
Speaker 1: you are deranged?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it. Get that into my psyche. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna write it down. Yeah, it could be like
Speaker 3: the new Delulu is Deray Ray.
Speaker 2: So when are we two hundred something episodes in two
Speaker 2: twenty Where are we We still don't have.
Speaker 3: A name for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like we'll different babies kind of, but we
Speaker 1: can't say we can't put that on anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say murder girls. But obviously I know we're
Speaker 2: not all girls here.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the murder girls love a lot of different things,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but yeah we we girls When I
Speaker 1: say yeah, but like it's not a nickname, is it?
Speaker 2: The Deray Rays like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: You guys can settle it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna either call you guys Delulus or deray Rays.
Speaker 3: But no, not all of the deranged dame deranged.
Speaker 1: Well okay, so they're all like cool, cool, great info.
Speaker 1: You just forgot the part where you're the most recent
Speaker 1: deranged lover and.
Speaker 3: His lawyer brother.
Speaker 1: His lawyer brother is like, well that's unfair, and Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: so is sleeping with a vulnerable patient and they threaten to.
Speaker 3: Call the board on him.
Speaker 1: And now Elliott they're at home and Elliott is, you know,
Speaker 1: bring in his work home ranting to Kathy, He's like,
Speaker 1: stranger danger. We teach these kids about stranger danger. How
Speaker 1: are we supposed to warn them about people that they're
Speaker 1: supposed to trust? Priest Scout leaders therapist? How do you
Speaker 1: tell kids about this without them being paranoid? And Kathy's like, yeah, babe,
Speaker 1: We've had this conversation before like, can I talk about
Speaker 1: my stuff now? Maureen got to be in algebra, Kathleen
Speaker 1: might not need a whole retainer, which is good, And
Speaker 1: I just want to say somebody A loyal listener, a
Speaker 1: loyal de reiree, reached out recently saying that in the
Speaker 1: episode Pure, which is the Sebastian Valentine episode with Martin Short,
Speaker 1: I think there is a part of the episode where
Speaker 1: they discover that he's got files on all of the cops,
Speaker 1: like he he that's how he knows it about them,
Speaker 1: And in the file this listener points it out Stabler
Speaker 1: makes sixty K a year and Benson makes fifty five
Speaker 1: K a year, And I'm like, okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that episode is from season like seven or something,
Speaker 1: so that's like early two thousands. That's not a lot
Speaker 1: to make. But I'm like, first of all, the pay
Speaker 1: gap is rude.
Speaker 3: That is rude.
Speaker 1: Why are they making different amounts? Probably because he's been
Speaker 1: a cop longer. I'm sure there's reasons, but I immediately was like,
Speaker 1: how is that man supporting a family of six on
Speaker 1: sixty k in New York City?
Speaker 3: Like Kathleen is not getting a retainer?
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me, Like, but maybe they're not including overtime.
Speaker 2: You know, like Kathy must come from money. I bet
Speaker 2: Kathy's parents game money for the down payment. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: going to Scarantino's. They're getting Little Manicotti Night down at
Speaker 2: Scared Like they're going out. They're doing things like the
Speaker 2: kids are taking piano lessons, they have recitals.
Speaker 3: Like I just am like sixty k.
Speaker 1: You cannot live in New York City, Like that's like crazy,
Speaker 1: even back with a family of No, not with a
Speaker 1: family of I mean when I was leaving New York,
Speaker 1: like even ten years ago, it was like you had
Speaker 1: to make eighty k as a single person to be
Speaker 1: comfortable is what they were saying, to be comfortable in
Speaker 1: New York City.
Speaker 3: And that was ten years ago. This is even longer ago.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think this is with a family
Speaker 3: of six people. I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: Maybe he lives in an old family house. He doesn't
Speaker 1: pay any rent or something, but that still like seems crazy.
Speaker 1: Stabler now gets to the good stuff. He takes his
Speaker 1: shirt off. Okay, he's looking good. He's got the gray
Speaker 1: tidy white he's on. But he can't stop talking about
Speaker 1: the case, he starts bringing up how Gretchen's father was
Speaker 1: abusing her. Kathy's trying to get horny and change the subject,
Speaker 1: so she brings up Elizabeth. She's like, and I swear,
Speaker 1: this is the most we ever hear about Elizabeth. It's like,
Speaker 1: Elizabeth made you an ashtray at school. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I don't smoke. And it's like, yeah, duh, she's a child.
Speaker 1: And she's like and then she's like, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Dicky flushed it down the toilet anyway. Like I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: this is sitcom. This is like all sitcom. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I just can't drop it. I can't
Speaker 1: believe a father would do that to his daughter. Like
Speaker 1: he's obviously it's episode two. They're trying to set up
Speaker 1: how impacted by his job Stabler is, especially because he
Speaker 1: has his own children that are you know, the ages
Speaker 1: of a lot of the kids that he has to
Speaker 1: deal with their cases. So now at the Precinct tells
Speaker 1: live Doun Dunn, the big sister from Denver, has finally surfaced.
Speaker 1: She's in New York City in a two bedroom suite
Speaker 1: in Midtown, and Munch suggests that the sister is probably
Speaker 1: a victim as well. So now Cassidy, fresh off of
Speaker 1: looking like a dumbass in court, is trying to impress
Speaker 1: the squad with his knowledge, and he goes, did you
Speaker 1: know necrophilia isn't just sex with dead people? I got
Speaker 1: it off the net. He's like, supposedly some famous Hollywood
Speaker 1: actor hires sex workers to sit in an ice bath
Speaker 1: until they're blue before he has sex with them. And
Speaker 1: Munch is like, come on, next, quiz compulsive onanism and
Speaker 1: that is compulsive masturbation. But they move, Munch gets him like,
Speaker 1: you know, the student away and Craigan's like, tell them
Speaker 1: that the sister is in the precinct. Okay, so Ellen
Speaker 1: Travis is there and she is played by Layla Robbins.
Speaker 1: And I've just seen her in a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: I thought more s fus, but this is her only SVU.
Speaker 1: But she was also in Homeland. Well I love her.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a face.
Speaker 2: I'm on her IMDb right now because I was, yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it up for this, And then I
Speaker 2: just saw Sex and the City the Cold War and
Speaker 2: she was one of the snobbi friends of the Russian Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, do you write for the Times?
Speaker 2: And then she had to be like, I'm a star,
Speaker 2: I'm a slash.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I love this Simon's face. I'm obsessed with her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great. She's got like yeah, she does have like
Speaker 1: from Money face kind of oh yeahs. Also in a
Speaker 1: movie from nineteen ninety that I was obsessed with with
Speaker 1: one on a Rider called Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael, where
Speaker 1: she plays her mom.
Speaker 2: You got to remember that for Cinematrix. That's a good one.
Speaker 1: What is it called, Yeah, welcome Home Roxy Carmichael went
Speaker 1: on a Rider. It's really good. I mean it's I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's really good. I watched it all
Speaker 1: the time when I was a kid, and it was weird.
Speaker 1: I just don't retain information.
Speaker 2: I just read this whole article about not Christopher walk
Speaker 2: and the other weird one Willem Dafoe, So like, I
Speaker 2: read this whole article about him, and then it was
Speaker 2: all of his movies and he talked about all of them,
Speaker 2: and then he's in the Cinematrix and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: do only remember two of them, and it's like how
Speaker 2: do I even say, Like, I don't understand why my brain, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, and it's probably the wead I'm smoking twenty two.
Speaker 1: This is my cina matrix is hard for me. It's like,
Speaker 1: I know, I cannot recall these movies like that way.
Speaker 1: That's just not that's not that's not how my brain goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, I right now my cinematrix. And this
Speaker 2: will be a time capsule for when we recorded. I'm
Speaker 2: still looking for an Atte Benning movie from two thousand
Speaker 2: to two thousand and nine and Anna Paquin film with
Speaker 2: more than three words in the title. So that's where
Speaker 2: I'm at right now for the day we'll see, hopefully
Speaker 2: they'll come to me.
Speaker 1: This woman, Layla Robins. She's also on The Boys, which
Speaker 1: people love. She has ninety one credits. So again, you're
Speaker 1: not on this show today really, unless you're that sassy waiter,
Speaker 1: unless you've got like upwards of seventy five credits.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: They give her the keys to the apartment in case
Speaker 1: she wants any family items, but she says, I doubt
Speaker 1: there will be any. We haven't spoken in twenty years,
Speaker 1: and she tells them two months ago she called me
Speaker 1: out of the blue, saying she wanted a relationship and
Speaker 1: they're like and and she's like, well, it was superficial
Speaker 1: and then it stopped. She says her sister was a
Speaker 1: drama queen, and Stabler mentions the funeral and she's like,
Speaker 1: what funeral. I'm in New York City to sign the papers,
Speaker 1: go to Sacks and take the next plane home.
Speaker 3: And then she walks out. It is cold.
Speaker 1: It's cold, like your sister got thrown through a window
Speaker 1: eight stories lives, like for sure this woman was molested,
Speaker 1: and she also knows for sure. They're also establishing something
Speaker 1: up top that is very important to the history and
Speaker 1: legacy of the show, which is that Benson Clock's high fashion.
Speaker 3: She knows where shit is from, she know how much
Speaker 3: stuff is worth.
Speaker 1: Okay, she sees Ellen's outfit and goes and outfit that pricey.
Speaker 1: Gretchen's never touched her trust fund, but it looks like
Speaker 1: Ellen is swimming in her trust fund. And then Stabler
Speaker 1: goes who's paying so back at the Ledger with the
Speaker 1: buddy whose name is Buddy, I guess the guy who
Speaker 1: works at the Ledger. He takes them to some guy
Speaker 1: who they have and he's got access to some kind
Speaker 1: of financial computer system that shows them everybody's money business,
Speaker 1: and like where everybody? I guess it's all public. A
Speaker 1: lot of that says public knowledge, but where do you
Speaker 1: get it? You know, Like I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: all just on the internet, but certainly not in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine. So they're like, the Sadarski Trust check it.
Speaker 1: So now they're filling in Kragan. The sisters had separate
Speaker 1: us set up and Gretchen's just sat there and grew.
Speaker 1: It's at three and a half million and still climbing,
Speaker 1: and the trust is a living trust managed by their father,
Speaker 1: who Done Done is not dead but very much alive
Speaker 1: and living in New Jersey. And Craigan wants to know
Speaker 1: the truth about these people. So now they're at Laurel
Speaker 1: Athletic Shoes in East Bergen, New Jersey, and he's walking
Speaker 1: them through the shoe factory explaining a couple of things,
Speaker 1: and then they tell him, well, your daughter's dead, and
Speaker 1: at first he is so upset.
Speaker 3: He's like, does my wife know?
Speaker 1: And then they explain, oh, yeah, she was tossed out
Speaker 1: of a window in Manhattan, and he's like, that's impossible.
Speaker 1: My family is at the shore on Vaka waiting for me.
Speaker 1: And then when they confirmed to him, no, it's your daughter, Susan,
Speaker 1: he goes, he sighs, and he goes, oh, Susie was
Speaker 1: lost to me a long time ago. Such a sad child,
Speaker 1: such a sad ending. Well then he's literally like, anything
Speaker 1: else you guys need because I got to get back
Speaker 1: to my shoe business here. And so they walk out
Speaker 1: of the factory and Live is activated. She's like, I
Speaker 1: want to punch that guy face. Lee like she's so mad,
Speaker 1: and Stabler is like, well, the statue of the limitations
Speaker 1: is up. Even if we do get the sister to
Speaker 1: talk and lives like not, if we use Megan's law,
Speaker 1: we can pump the sister's memory that starts the clock again.
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I don't know, recovered memory is tricky. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really have anything to do with our case. And
Speaker 1: Benson is worried about the little daughter who is down
Speaker 1: at the shore because I guess they don't really put
Speaker 1: this out there explicitly, but we figure out later he
Speaker 1: has a ten year old daughter who with a new wife,
Speaker 1: who's down at the Jersey shore waiting for her dad,
Speaker 1: who is a to them known sex offender against children,
Speaker 1: and so like you know.
Speaker 3: Benson's like, she's the one I'm worried about right now.
Speaker 1: So Live stops by Gretchen's building and she looks up
Speaker 1: and she sees the yuppie couple from earlier setting up,
Speaker 1: like they're at the broken window where the woman's body
Speaker 1: was tossed, and they're just like measuring for drapes, like
Speaker 1: it's wild. So now back at the squad, Craigan pulls
Speaker 1: out a bottle of boothe so that Live can have
Speaker 1: a drink. It's nighttime, everyone's gone home, everyone's off doing stuff.
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I thought you don't drink, and
Speaker 1: he's like, that doesn't mean you can't, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: when we leave here, we just disappear into the night,
Speaker 1: and Craigan tells her, yeah, back in homicide, we used
Speaker 1: to go out every night, get wasted, fool around. We'd
Speaker 1: feel like shit the next day, and Lives like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is better, and he's like yeah much, And then
Speaker 1: she goes, so why are you all alone, daddy Craigan,
Speaker 1: and he tells the story about how his wife was
Speaker 1: a flight attendant on an Orlando turnaround and he was
Speaker 1: home scrubbing algae off the pool they never used, and
Speaker 1: it's the pool that AIB got suspicious about, because what's
Speaker 1: a cop.
Speaker 3: Doing with an ing ground pool?
Speaker 1: And then the phone rang and it was the phone
Speaker 1: call that his wife had always dreaded. So he says,
Speaker 1: so Marge is scattered in bits over some swamp and
Speaker 1: I'm home in benson Hurst, trying to make sense of
Speaker 1: the test pattern on our giant TV, wanting so bad
Speaker 1: to drink again, hoping for surrender, for oblivion. And it's like, really,
Speaker 1: it's a sad monologue. And then Benson's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like Susan slash Gretchen. She slept with every
Speaker 1: guy on the block to try to get to that oblivion.
Speaker 1: And Craigan's like, you get inside her head and you're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the perp. So now the whole gang
Speaker 1: is in the pen and they're spitballing ideas. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: Dallas has an alibi, the shrink has no motive. Maybe
Speaker 1: the dad, but he hasn't seen her in twenty years.
Speaker 1: The shrink is also not stupid enough to like have
Speaker 1: a glass of wine leave his print, throw her out
Speaker 1: a window and then like run. I don't know that's like,
Speaker 1: I feel like he seems smarter than that. So maybe
Speaker 1: the dad, but he hasn't seen her in twenty years.
Speaker 1: Craigan is pissed. He's like, why isn't the shrink who
Speaker 1: is at the crime scene and sleeping with the victim
Speaker 1: not in interrogation getting the close talking stable action as
Speaker 1: we speak. Benson's like, I'm telling you it wasn't him,
Speaker 1: it was the father. She cashed one trust fund, maybe
Speaker 1: she cashed one trust fund check he found her, caught
Speaker 1: her banging the shrink or the anchorman. He's possessive and jealous, etc.
Speaker 1: His focus would be on the new daughter, though, the
Speaker 1: young one, like he wouldn't be worried about his like,
Speaker 1: you know, old thirty two year old daughter at this point,
Speaker 1: that's like out of his you know, realm of attraction.
Speaker 1: So Live tracks down Ellen and it is the fastest
Speaker 1: walk and talk I've ever seen. Like she does not
Speaker 1: want to talk to Olivia, and she is flying down
Speaker 1: the New York streets and Olivia is like, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: for being hard on you the other day, and the
Speaker 1: woman's like, I bet you're wondering why I didn't stay
Speaker 1: and protect my sister, Olivia is like, do you know
Speaker 1: that you have a half sister. She's ten years old.
Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen to her? And Ellen
Speaker 1: is like, well, that was Susan's drama. It's not my drama,
Speaker 1: and Live says, but you can help, like please, like please,
Speaker 1: Like she's begging her just stay one more day. So
Speaker 1: now they have the dad in interrogation okay, and Ellen's
Speaker 1: looking at him through the glass and is like, can
Speaker 1: you imagine being a child in that house? Then she
Speaker 1: strolls into the interrogation room and starts berating her dad.
Speaker 3: Immediately.
Speaker 1: She's like, you cowardly, disgusting, sick bastard. He's like trying
Speaker 1: to call her sweetie pie, and she's like, shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. And Ellen's like, you killed Susie and he's like,
Speaker 1: I told the cops I wasn't even near the city.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you didn't kill her the other night,
Speaker 1: and he can tell that she's about to blab about
Speaker 1: all the molestation and he goes, you're making a costly
Speaker 1: mistake and she's like, lol, are you threatening me with
Speaker 1: the trust fund? Stick it up your ass, daddy, And
Speaker 1: Susie called it blood money. From when she bled, when
Speaker 1: you held her down when she was little, and it's
Speaker 1: like horrible. He's like, it's ancient history. Just let it rest.
Speaker 1: And it's like the audacity, the audacity to be like,
Speaker 1: just stop talking about it. It was so long ago, Like uugh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even twenty years ago. By the way, she's
Speaker 1: thirty two, it's like nineteen years ago. Ellen's like, I
Speaker 1: got news for you. It's not ancient history. And that
Speaker 1: lady detective told me if I remember things now, I
Speaker 1: can tell my story to a grand jury in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, now wait a second, honey, I've
Speaker 1: got a new family. And Ellen's like, yeah, duh, I know.
Speaker 1: That's why this is happening. Like no one wants you
Speaker 1: to molest your new daughter. You creep. And it feels
Speaker 1: like this happened just yesterday. That's how it feels like
Speaker 1: every day of my life. And then this is a
Speaker 1: huge twist. She has a letter that Susan mailed her
Speaker 1: in Denver that her husband, who you'll never meet, she
Speaker 1: says to her father, faxed over and it says Gretchen
Speaker 1: Quinn born Susan Saedarski, a frequent contributor to The New
Speaker 1: York Ledger committed suicide Monday night. She hopes her death
Speaker 1: will point an accusing finger at the men responsible. And
Speaker 1: she keeps reading more. And it's her obituary, she wrote
Speaker 1: it herself. She talks about the men she left behind,
Speaker 1: Dallas Daniels, her rapist father. She shoves the obituary. Ellen
Speaker 1: shoves the obituary in the dad's face, grabs his collar
Speaker 1: and is shaking him as she continues to talk about
Speaker 1: how he ruined her life. She took her life, she
Speaker 1: took Susie's life. She was only thirty two. And she
Speaker 1: sits there just shaking her dad, who won't even look
Speaker 1: at her while she's sobbing. And on the other end,
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fish bowl glass, Live
Speaker 1: is like staring at them.
Speaker 3: She looks up, she closes her eyes.
Speaker 1: She's deeply affected by this, and she herself is only
Speaker 1: thirty one at the time Live, Like, if I do
Speaker 1: the math correctly, in the time of year, she's like
Speaker 1: thirty one, So she's the same age as this woman
Speaker 1: who died, and they're clearly trying to draw parallels with
Speaker 1: her the whole episode. So she's affected by this that
Speaker 1: this woman like had such a traumatic upbringing live has
Speaker 1: her own trauma which maybe we don't know about yet,
Speaker 1: but you know that everybody's trauma is what leads to
Speaker 1: the decisions that they make in their life. Is like
Speaker 1: a huge theme of this series overall, and they're setting
Speaker 1: it up big and obviously they did in the pilot
Speaker 1: the first woman that cop cuts off someone's dick who
Speaker 1: assaulted her in Sarajevo. You know, we'll do that episode
Speaker 1: one day, but listen, well, that's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of research. You got to give us some time for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not doing a whole like a country doesn't
Speaker 2: exist to I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: Actually, this brings me up to this is a really
Speaker 2: short one. I only found a couple sources. And so
Speaker 2: Loretta would Berry was in psychological counseling and it prompted
Speaker 2: her to contact Wyoming authorities in January nineteen ninety and
Speaker 2: asked them to prosecute her father, Calvin Woodbury, for sexually
Speaker 2: molesting her and her cousin in the late fifties and
Speaker 2: early sixties. So these attacks happened in a town called Rawlins.
Speaker 2: Not to be confused with Rawlins, No was humiliating, but Ralins.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Loretta Woodbury lived with her mom on a welfare
Speaker 2: ranch before being sent to live with her father and
Speaker 2: stepmother at age seven.
Speaker 3: So that sucks.
Speaker 2: So the abuse started almost immediately, and then on her
Speaker 2: tenth birthday, there's like a memory she has of being
Speaker 2: assaulted by him in his truck that was parked outside
Speaker 2: of town and then took her home to have birthday cake.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking psycho. That is fucking harrowing. Oh my god, and.
Speaker 2: He did the classic like this is something special between
Speaker 2: fathers and daughters, like fucking crazy. And the abuse went
Speaker 2: on for seven years, and he kept her quiet by
Speaker 2: saying if she said anything, she would be sent to
Speaker 2: reform school. And the abuse finally ended when woodbury stepped
Speaker 2: sister came to visit. And this girl is so smart.
Speaker 2: She wrote a note to her mom, who had remarried,
Speaker 2: and it detailed the sexual abuse and she sewed it
Speaker 2: into her sister's coat. So once that letter was found,
Speaker 2: a few but I don't understand why she's not living
Speaker 2: with her mom, Like that's what I don't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you have this stepsister, like why are you with
Speaker 2: your father. Maybe the mom is like unfit or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she has the stepsister that lives with the mom.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the stepsister visited and like she's the one
Speaker 2: who read the note and then did something about it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I'm curious. A few weeks later, social
Speaker 2: workers remove the fourteen year old girl from the house,
Speaker 2: but he was never prosecuted because law enforcement were reluctant
Speaker 2: thirty years ago to prosecute a case like that in quotes,
Speaker 2: So they're removing her. They know there's molestation, but they're like, ah,
Speaker 2: we don't need a prosecutus fucking losers. And then someone
Speaker 2: they were just like not trained to deal with incest.
Speaker 2: But it's like, but don't you know this is wrong
Speaker 2: and someone should be punished, Like I just don't understand
Speaker 2: that instinct of like I guess we should just that's private.
Speaker 3: It's like, what the fuck are you? Yeahh so gross.
Speaker 2: So then she spent the rest of her childhood in
Speaker 2: a Wyoming state hospital. Why not with your mom? And
Speaker 2: then she went to live with her mom at age seventeen. Weird,
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, it was she's supposed to be
Speaker 2: in the state hospital so she could get help with
Speaker 2: the incest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like therapy and then went to her mom.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't understand why should be with the dad,
Speaker 2: why should be taken by the state. Why she'd put
Speaker 2: in a state hospital but then end up living with
Speaker 2: her mom. A few years later, Anne had a stepsister
Speaker 2: living with the mother. So it's really confusing to me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, she's an adult. And finally, after therapy
Speaker 2: and stuff, she said to The New York Times, I
Speaker 2: could no longer pretend nothing had happened.
Speaker 3: It was just time to do it.
Speaker 2: And to be clear, this was not a repressed memory
Speaker 2: that came out, but rather she just like avoided the
Speaker 2: confrontation with her father.
Speaker 3: She also said she finally.
Speaker 2: Did go to the police after repeated efforts to talk
Speaker 2: to her father about the abuse, Like she didn't want
Speaker 2: to press charges, she just wanted some sort of acknowledgment.
Speaker 2: So she confronted him seven years prior, and this was
Speaker 2: pre therapy, and she said it was a fucking mess
Speaker 2: and a disaster. And to the New York Times, she's quoted,
Speaker 2: I would not advise that anyone do this on their own.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so she confronted him without any sort of
Speaker 2: like support and it didn't go out.
Speaker 3: So then she.
Speaker 2: Tried a year before the charges, but he refused to
Speaker 2: go to therapy with her, and she told him, you know,
Speaker 2: he would have to deal with me on this issue
Speaker 2: directly or indirectly. Prosecution was not my first choice. And
Speaker 2: this is all to the Times. So Kurt Kelly was
Speaker 2: the prosecuting attorney for Carbon County, and he said to
Speaker 2: the Times, I filed this case because I had three
Speaker 2: women in different parts of the country, because it's like
Speaker 2: the nieces, like the cousins too. So he goes, I
Speaker 2: filed this case because I had three women in different
Speaker 2: parts of the country who had not talked with each
Speaker 2: other about this, and they all said the same thing.
Speaker 2: If you had asked me a year ago if I
Speaker 2: would ever ever prosecute a thirty year old case that
Speaker 2: was not a murder, I would have said, it won't happen.
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this man was charged in August of nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: with five felony sexual abuse counts with assaults on his
Speaker 2: niece and then a third girl whose melestation came to
Speaker 2: light after authorities began an investigation. And Wyoming is actually
Speaker 2: very special and that's what made this case possible at
Speaker 2: all because they have no statue of limitations on criminal
Speaker 2: cases of any kind.
Speaker 3: Wow. So luckily it was just like one state. Wow. Okay.
Speaker 2: The man was seventy three and living in Texas and
Speaker 2: then pled guilty November twenty eighth, nineteen ninety in Carbon County,
Speaker 2: Wyoming to have raped his ten year old daughter in
Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen sixty two and his thirteen year
Speaker 2: old niece in the summer of nineteen at fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Part of this plea bargain was prosecutors dropped additional charges
Speaker 2: that happened with his eight year old niece in nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight as well. Other counts were for assaults of
Speaker 2: his daughter in nineteen fifty nine and nineteen sixty five
Speaker 2: as well. So it is three counts of rape and
Speaker 2: then two counts of indecent liberties were the charges, and
Speaker 2: so he pled guilty to two counts of rape. And
Speaker 2: then the judge, Larry Lehman sentenced him to only five
Speaker 2: years probation and to undergo counseling and avoid contact with
Speaker 2: his victims. And what the daughter okay, the kids were
Speaker 2: okay with it. I don't know what to say. Like
Speaker 2: I'm again like I think he should be in person.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, Yeah that's crazy. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1: That's why I said the judge's name so we could
Speaker 1: hate him. He also can't be around children unless another
Speaker 1: adult is present.
Speaker 3: And this is for rape, Like probation for rape is crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't care if it was not long ago, but
Speaker 2: all three victims agreed to the sentence before it was
Speaker 2: handed down by the judge. So that's why we kind
Speaker 2: of have to like, oh my god, be okay with it.
Speaker 2: I would have said at least a year. But I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's like really complicated obviously. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't really know. Wow that's crazy. Yeah, not enough.
Speaker 2: But also thank god, like Wyoming has the no statue
Speaker 2: of limitations, you know, not very many people even get
Speaker 2: this lucky into the justice system. South Carolina is the
Speaker 2: only other state that I found that has no statue
Speaker 2: for any criminal prosecution. And then Delaware has no statue
Speaker 2: of limitations for any sexual offense. And then other states
Speaker 2: you can have like a you know, up to when
Speaker 2: you're twenty eight years old or thirty what like Altho
Speaker 2: other states there's like specific stuff, okay, and then the
Speaker 2: other states, like for felonies, there's no statue, but like
Speaker 2: I don't understand if it's no felonies, like rape is
Speaker 2: a felony. So it's all very confusing. There's charts, those websites,
Speaker 2: like you can look at all of it, and it's
Speaker 2: all like really specific and weird. And then some states
Speaker 2: the laws have changed and it's different laws for different
Speaker 2: crimes depending on when they happened before after the law
Speaker 2: is changed.
Speaker 3: So that's another layer to this.
Speaker 2: But also you know, she says, like as a kid,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't have been able to take the stand or
Speaker 2: come forward, and only after so much processing and therapy
Speaker 2: she could even do this. So sometimes she's like I understand,
Speaker 2: like we need to give time for people to deal
Speaker 2: with their abuse, to have the strength to come forward
Speaker 2: instead of trying to like force children on the stand
Speaker 2: when they can't do it, or like these criminal charges,
Speaker 2: and so that it's important to not have strict rules
Speaker 2: so people.
Speaker 3: Can come forward when they're ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ough, horrible, horrible, But we can get into our
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings in our post mortem.
Speaker 2: All right, this is a post mortem. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm not just everyone. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm telling the beeps. I'm holding on, but it's both
Speaker 2: ends at this point, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what to tell you.
Speaker 1: Listen, guys, I'm committed to my powering through for you.
Speaker 3: She loves you and is powering through.
Speaker 1: Look, the post mortem on this episode is basically like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy that this episode came out in like what
Speaker 1: ninety nine.
Speaker 3: This episode came out in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: It came out like right a Sex in the City
Speaker 1: was having its heyday, and still people were like, is
Speaker 1: being a single woman like an okay thing?
Speaker 3: Like how sad?
Speaker 1: Like they're trying to parallel like Olivia with And I
Speaker 1: do think it's cool how the show has like grown
Speaker 1: twenty five years and Olivia's still single and she's fucking
Speaker 1: got an awesome career and she got a kid that
Speaker 1: she wanted and whatever. You know. So, but it is
Speaker 1: funny that back in like the early thing, the second
Speaker 1: episode that they made. But you know, obviously this story
Speaker 1: does change into like a horrific saga of you know,
Speaker 1: fucking generations of familial abuse. And I'm just like, obviously,
Speaker 1: you guys, the intro was way to it be, And
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the doom spiral, but
Speaker 1: I am really appreciating all of you guys that are
Speaker 1: writing to us with your specific stories about how this
Speaker 1: tyrannical administration is hurting you and your communities. Like one
Speaker 1: person wrote us and said, like, I run the only
Speaker 1: sexual trauma sexual assault trauma center in Oklahoma, and two
Speaker 1: of our therapists like can't work right now because they're
Speaker 1: funded by the government. So and if you don't think
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of familial trauma in Oklahoma, I
Speaker 1: think you're mistaken. So, uh, it's just fucked up that
Speaker 1: now we're just taking away resources from the ful people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't care.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if people are still writing you
Speaker 2: like don't talk about politics, this isn't for you, then no,
Speaker 2: I know that's what I put that on our belongs.
Speaker 3: I saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're literally like gutting like violence against women acts,
Speaker 1: like all these protections against uh that are that help
Speaker 1: women and victims And you're like what you how can
Speaker 1: you listen to this show and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Olivia Benson is my girl and then be like, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to stop giving handouts to victims, like get
Speaker 1: out of my life.
Speaker 3: We don't like you, we don't like you, we don't
Speaker 3: need it.
Speaker 2: Don't you don't want to feed children and do medical
Speaker 2: research and have schools and art and libraries and take
Speaker 2: care of veterans in the national parks, Then this isn't
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: You don't belong here. Go fuck yourself, We don't have
Speaker 1: anything in common.
Speaker 2: Fuck out of our podcast, like or just keep your
Speaker 2: mouth shut, like things aren't for you. You do not
Speaker 2: get to ruin the lives of children, adults, like everywhere.
Speaker 2: This is gonna impact the whole world, and then fucking
Speaker 2: everything's for me.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: I hope you feel uncomfortable everywhere you go, You fucking
Speaker 2: nasty fascists. You know the quote, You know the quote
Speaker 2: and the third we don't look at thirties. Oh those
Speaker 2: were Germans. You were all Nazis. History do not differentiate. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so true. Okay, all right, we gotta let Lisa
Speaker 2: go do her thing. We gotta do the next. I
Speaker 2: got it, I got it, I got.
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 1: Sorry if this is triggering anybody who is easily nauseous,
Speaker 1: but I do think it's hilarious that Lisa powered through
Speaker 1: to come record today, and we love you guys. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's move on to what would Sister Peg Do.
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we point you towards
Speaker 1: an organization, a documentary, an article, something to give you
Speaker 1: more info about what we talked about in today's episode.
Speaker 3: Although today we're not really going with anything we.
Speaker 1: Talked about in today's episode because I just feel like
Speaker 1: there's more pressing issues happening to us right now. In
Speaker 1: this episode's from nineteen ninety nine, and so I wanted
Speaker 1: to point you to the National Children's Alliance and the
Speaker 1: Crime Victim's Fund Stabilization Act. There is a new bill
Speaker 1: that's been introduced to Congress called and this is a
Speaker 1: this is a US only. Sorry for our Australian and
Speaker 1: UK and Canadian listeners. We love you all so much,
Speaker 1: but we're in crisis over here. There's a new bill
Speaker 1: that's been introduced to Congress called the Crime Victims Fund
Speaker 1: Stabilization Act. The bill will stabilize funding for the Victims
Speaker 1: of Crime Act, which is an act that funds children
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Speaker 3: Very timely and actually very.
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Speaker 3: Both women.
Speaker 1: With so many government agencies cutting funding and personnel, this
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