1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: There's a meme my very literary teenage daughter likes. It 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: describes different literature styles by nationality. It goes like this, 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: English literature, I will die for honor, French literature, I 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: will die for love, American literature, I will die for freedom. 6 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Russian literature, I will die. While I've spent the great 7 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: majority of my life in America, I was born in Russia, 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: and I still carry around that Russian stoicism and bluntness, 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: especially where death is concerned. The casual way I talk 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: about death really alarms my family. Can you not, they say, 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: when I talk about death, the way I talk about 12 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: like anything else happening in the future, where I want 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: to be buried, what I'd like to see happen to 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: my stuff after I'm gone, etc. Or I read this 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: thing recently that's for so many people, the last words 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: they say before they die is calling out for their mama. 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: I shared this with my husband and kids, and they 18 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: did not enjoy that. 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: Update at all. 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: I was thinking about how sweet it was for someone 21 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: in their nineties who hadn't seen their own mother in 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: decades to still feel. 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: Her and want her when they're on their own deathbed. 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: To me, that was a happy story. 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: The faces of my family said that they didn't agree, 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and they didn't want to be thinking of their own 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: deaths and their mom long gone, so I try to 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: tone it down for them. But it is just interesting 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: to me how different cultures think or don't think about death. 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm scared of death, don't get me wrong. I want 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: to live a long life. I want to be with 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: my family. 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: As much as possible. 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: But to me, the whole point is having a limited 35 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: amount of time on this. 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: Earth so that we can really appreciate what we have. 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: My son sometimes asks me these would you rather questions, 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: and one of them recently was would I prefer to 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: be twenty years younger today or live till three hundred? 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean very much neither. I want to be right 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: here where I am. I don't want to be twenty 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: years younger. I like my current age and I love 43 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: my current life, and I don't want to live until 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: three hundred. I want to do everything I'm supposed to 45 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: do in the time I have and go to my 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: grave confident that I've maxed. 47 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: Out my life in every way. 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: This is a show about life and about making changes 49 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: to your life to improve it. So it's important to 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: think about the fact that life does come to an end. 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: Did you spend it the way you intended to? Are 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: you making the changes to make it what you want 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: it to be? If we don't face the reality of 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: death that this all ends someday, what's our impetus to 55 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: improve our lives today? 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: As my kids get older, and the. 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: Older two are coming up on fourteen and eleven in 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: a few weeks, and the youngest is eight, I'm trying 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: to hold on to real moments with them as long 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: as possible. I realized recently that so many of our 61 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: best memories are on vacation, and that's great, but life 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: isn't vacation, and I want more regular day memories together too. 63 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: So We've started doing things like we read a book 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: together after dinner, something we haven't done since they were small. 65 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: And I want to take family walks more often. We 66 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: live in Florida, the weather is usually perfect. We should 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: enjoy it like we would on vacation. The idea that 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I will die someday propels me to live better. It 69 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: makes me want to waste less of my time to 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: focus on the things that matter to me and discard 71 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the rest. Death doesn't have to be scary. It can 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: be the motivation that you need to live. Coming up 73 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: next and interview with Kevin McCullough. Join us after the break. Hi, 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 75 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: My guest today is Kevin McCullough TV and radio, your 76 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: host columnist at townhall dot com. Kevin is also the 77 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: seer of political things, lover of the Dallas Cowboys, great food, yoga, 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: and one very stunning brunette. He didn't tell me to 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: say that he hosts that Kevin Show. Thanks for coming on, Kevin. 80 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: Hey, Carol, it's great to see you, and congrats on 81 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 3: the podcast. It's just tearing up the internet and I 82 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: love it. 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. So. 84 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: I've known you a long time and it's still fascinating to. 85 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 2: Me that you've become a yogi. 86 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that was a bit out 87 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: of character for you when that began? 88 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 3: Very much? 89 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: So? How did it happen? 90 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 3: We had moved, We moved three times in eight years 91 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 3: inside the same village, which is nuts. Why would anybody 92 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: do that? 93 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: Would anybody do that. 94 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: But in the last move we left a house that 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: had a pool, and our kids were just starting to 96 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: get to the age where they needed to start taking 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: swim lessons, so we joined a local Lifetime They get 98 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 3: no money from me saying this, I get no money 99 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: from me saying this. But we joined the local Lifetime 100 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: workout place near us, and as part of the package, 101 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: they had yoga classes and the stunning brunette of which 102 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: you spoke said to me, I think I want to 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: try those, because it's part of the basic package. And 104 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: I said, okay. She was going. This was before pandemic. 105 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: She went probably fifteen or sixteen weeks. She had lost weight, 106 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: she was vibrant with energy. She was feeling so good 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: and so confident about herself, and I said, I think 108 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: I want to give that a try too, to which 109 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: she promptly said, now this is my thing. So I said, oh, well, okay. 110 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: Knowing that she was someone who did not like to 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: get up early, I knew that they had classes at 112 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: five point thirty and six o'clock in the morning. So 113 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 3: about a month later I started getting up mysteriously three 114 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: times a week and going and I was lost. I 115 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: didn't know anything about what I was doing. I used 116 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: to make fun of people that took yoga when I was, 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: you know, in my athletic years. And I found out 118 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: it was not only one of the hardest things I'd 119 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: ever done, but it was also one of the most 120 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 3: rewarding things. And I met this great, great, great instructor. 121 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: Her name is Lucy. Shout out to Lucy. She gave 122 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: me some one on one to kind of break down 123 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: what the poses mean and you know why they go 124 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: into order that they go in, cause I knew nothing, 125 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: and about I don't know. Two months later, the brunette 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 3: rolls over to me one morning. She goes, why do 127 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: you get up so early? Where are you going? I said, well, 128 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm working out. She goes, why can't 129 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: you just go work out, you know when I go 130 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: to class? And I said, well, because I'm taking yoga. 131 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: She goes, well, why didn't you just take it with me? 132 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: And I said, well, I didn't want to rain on 133 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: your parade. And so we started then taking regularly nine 134 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: forty five vinyasa flow classes. If people are into yoga, 135 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: they know what vignasa is. It's a very aerobic, intense 136 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: kind of workout, but she get a lot of anaerobic 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: muscle training and other things and it as well. We've 138 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 3: been doing that now for four years, minus just a 139 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: few months that we had to kind of do it 140 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: remotely and other things because of the stupid COVID pandemic. 141 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, we've been doing it. And in fact, as 142 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: we are having a conversation at this very moment, she 143 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: is in that class that I am not getting to 144 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: be at because I am talking to Carol Markowitz. 145 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: Wow. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt your young. 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: Glad to be it. 147 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: So did you always want to be in radio? Is 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: that something lifelong dream or radio? 149 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: I mean, i've very very apprecient statement by an aunt, 150 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: my mother's only sister. Actually, she says to me after 151 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: coming over to babysit one night, where I just literally 152 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 3: she I did to her what my Jonathan, my eleven 153 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: year old does to me. But I just talked her 154 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: ear off all night, and she literally turns to me 155 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: at one point and she goes, Kevin, as long as 156 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: you can make a living with that mouth of yours, 157 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: you're never going to go hungry. I don't think she 158 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: meant it as a compliment, but it was efficient in 159 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: the degree. And then so after that my grand my 160 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: one grandfather, I was a collector of audio equipment, so 161 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: I had like these classic real to real machines. I 162 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: had cassette decks, I had old vinyl record players. I 163 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: had all kinds of stuff, and the kind of crim 164 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: to resistant. The piece to resistance was the day that 165 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: my grandfather let me have one of his old CBE 166 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: radios and I figured out how to input the audio 167 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: from my mixer into the CBE radio. I ran the 168 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: magnetic antenna up the rain gutter outside my window, stuck 169 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: it on top of the house, and began broadcasting on 170 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 3: Channel nineteen, which also happened to be the official channel 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: of the River Oaks Police Department. And they put my 172 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: Shenanigans to rest about six days later. But we had 173 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: some great, great show in those early days. 174 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: It's excellent. 175 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: What would you be doing if you weren't on the radio, 176 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: If you weren't radio. 177 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: Oh, well, I've done a lot of other things, so 178 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: I would probably be an entrepreneur of some sort. But 179 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: I also have a degree in theology, so I would 180 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: probably be involved in in ministry in some way and 181 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: trying to help people. My passion is people and making 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: sure that we leave them the best world we can. 183 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: So it's probably something along those lines. 184 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: Do you get recognized a lot? 185 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: Like? 186 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: What's it like leaving a pretty public life. 187 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: I don't get recognized as much as my kids wish. 188 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: I would. 189 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,599 Speaker 2: Believe me, my kids do not enjoy when I get recognized. 190 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: But no, they want me. They like the fact that 191 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: I have a TV show and that I'm on the radio, 192 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: and then I'm on all the other channels and stuff. 193 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 3: They don't like the fact that almost none of their 194 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: parents agree with me on much of anything. 195 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: Right Well, to Florida, I have an easy solution for 196 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: Suddenly my kids are much more popular. 197 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: That's true their friends. 198 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: I actually think it's not been a bad thing because 199 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: it's caused my children to kind of evaluate what I 200 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 3: say based on its merits and also a good exercise 201 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: in teaching them to be winsome. You know. I kind 202 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: of approach politics, Not that we're going to get into 203 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: politics here, but I kind of approach it as as 204 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 3: I would what some people use the term evangelical in 205 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: terms of faith. I want to be a positive advocate 206 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: for what I believe, and I want to win people 207 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: to the ideas that I hold, because I think the 208 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: ideas really are good and I think they really do 209 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: make a difference. So in doing it, winsome is not 210 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: something that our side does sometimes, very often. I don't 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: ever want to be questioning the number of eggs that 212 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: some pop stars still has in her womb somewhere. It's 213 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 3: not that that part of it's not. 214 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: We'll get into Taylor Salt. 215 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: Oh Man, you didn't tell me we're talking Taylor. 216 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: Okay, of course we're talking Taylor. 217 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: So do you worry about them your kids getting like 218 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: repercussions based on who you are? 219 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: Like? 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: There was a recent Abigail Shreier had wrote on her 221 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: substack recently that her daughter was cut from a soccer 222 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: team in California because of who she is, because the 223 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: coach simply doesn't like Abigail. 224 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: I do worry about stuff like that. 225 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: I have not worried about that, but I've felt the 226 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: nasty side of this. I have an adopted son who's 227 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: older than our biological kids, and when I was living 228 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: and working in Chicago before coming to the New York area, 229 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: we were in the middle of some pretty pretty tumultuous 230 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: constitutional questions at the time, and I was talking about 231 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 3: them on the air loot and I got an email 232 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: out of the blue from someone saying they knew what 233 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: school my child went to, and wow, you know what 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: entrance in the building he got dropped off at and 235 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: so forth. I took that seriously, reported it, got a 236 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: restraining order in place. I don't mess around with that stuff. 237 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: I largely don't make reference to my family members by 238 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: name on the air. I know, I just gave my 239 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: eleven year old's name, but sometimes I do that, But 240 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: in large measure, I try to live as anonymously as 241 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: I can. Will that have repercussions for them at some point? 242 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: I hope not, because again, my goal is to engage 243 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: in conversation that is meant to convince and meant to win, 244 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: not to always shove away and push away. There are 245 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: going to be unreasonable people that are going to say, no, 246 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: I just can't be around you because you just discussed me. Okay, 247 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: I don't have to hang out with them, but where 248 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: I can build positive conversation, I'm always about trying, and 249 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 3: I think it's to our movements detriment that more people 250 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 3: don't try, Because I think there's a lot of people, Carol, 251 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: especially since your book came out and the pandemic happened. 252 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people in the middle 253 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: that don't know it exactly everything that they believe. But man, 254 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: if we just had some good conversations and some winsome 255 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: people out there just making the case what good work 256 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: could be done. 257 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to look up the word win 258 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: some after this conversation. 259 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Oh yes, but no, I agree. 260 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: I I you know, for the book tour, I had 261 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people coming up to me and saying, 262 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not on your political side, or I'm 263 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: a liberal but or I'm a moderate or whatever. But 264 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that these issues around children are really important, 265 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 1: and I agree with so much of what you say. 266 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: And the thing is, and this is something that, like 267 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: I feel like, doesn't get discussed enough. A lot of 268 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: times you'll see people tweeting or writing you know, I 269 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: don't usually agree with blah blah blah, But who cares? 270 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Who cares if you usually agree with them or not? 271 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Just say it, Just say whatever it is. 272 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: You don't need to. 273 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: Qualify that normally you disagree with this person or the 274 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: other one that I really like is I don't always 275 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: agree with Kevin McCullough, but I don't always agree with 276 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: anybody ever, Like I don't have anybody ever that I 277 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: always agree with. 278 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: That's crazy, and. 279 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: I think that people need to kind of dial back 280 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: the idea that when you agree with somebody, you're signing 281 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: up for their whole You know. 282 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 3: No, actually, I could be fine if nobody said used 283 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: any labels ever, Like if I would be totally totally 284 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 3: down with people saying I don't know if I'm a 285 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Democrat or Republican, or a progressive or a conservative, but 286 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: what I believe about the money I earn is that 287 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: I should be able to keep as much of that 288 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: as is necessary to provide them for my family. You 289 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: take the ten biggest issues. Should a nation defend itself? 290 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: Should a nation protect its borders? Should a nation take 291 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: the money from the people that are working or let 292 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: them keep as much of it as possible. Should we 293 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: be kind to children? Should we be kind to seniors? 294 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: You take any of the big issues related to a 295 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: lot of this stuff, and you wipe the labels away, 296 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: and you just talk about the substance this nation would 297 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: be overwhelmed considered Center right to write in terms of 298 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 3: just how they view the world. The issue is that 299 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: it is very easy to compartmentalize everybody if we can 300 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: label them all, and I think that that works to 301 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 3: our detriment. 302 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: I definitely agree with that. 303 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: So on your show, you're very and just generally in life, 304 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: you're very effusive about your wife. 305 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: You clearly are obsessed with her. I love it. Do 306 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: you get any pushback or criticism for that? 307 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen in the last few years, 308 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: especially around for men. I would say, especially for men 309 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: when they are like, like, oh, I really am so 310 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: in love with my wife, or like really talk about 311 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: their wives in a really positive way, they get called names. 312 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, there was the wife guy. 313 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: It was like the guy that always mentions his wife. 314 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: Like the New York Times had a whole piece on it. 315 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: So do you get that criticism or not. 316 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: No, I've gotten more compliments to that than anything, because 317 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: we just celebrated our twentieth wedding. 318 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: Anniversary last year, so we've we've. 319 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: Been around for a long time. But I would say 320 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: that people that do that kind of thing sadly probably 321 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: don't know the benefit of what a really strong marriage 322 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 3: partner brings to your life. Look, I'm gonna admit this 323 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: way up front, I way outkicked my coverage on my bride, 324 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 3: not just in how you know how attractive she is 325 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: and she is stunningly beautiful, though she doesn't believe that 326 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: she is. But she's a thinker, she feels deeply. She 327 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: is a wonderful mother. She manages our home and lives 328 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 3: almost effortlessly. I mean, I'm shocked at how easy she 329 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 3: makes it look. And at the end of the day, 330 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: she's my deepest, dearest, best friend that can can and 331 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: will talk to me about anything, especially very very hard 332 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: things when we have very hard things to deal with. 333 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: And I can't put a dollar of value on anything 334 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: even similar to that by way of people in my 335 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: sphere of experience that have that. If I looked at 336 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: one person and said that person has made more of 337 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: an impact on me personally as a person than any 338 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 3: other person, it would be her. She edited all three 339 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 3: of my books. She regularly gives feedback on my column 340 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 3: and on my show. She is my pop culture critic 341 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: if I get if I get a pop culture reference wrong, 342 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: we do the assignment next weekend on the on the 343 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: TV show on the weekends. It's kind of like a 344 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 3: weekend update. But if I get an inference wrong on something, 345 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: She's like, you got to change that. I mean, it 346 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: just gives me all of those extra eyes, ears and 347 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 3: feedback that I wouldn't have otherwise. And that doesn't intimidate me, 348 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 3: like I'm really grateful that that she's here. 349 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right 350 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 351 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've made it? 352 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: I was waiting for that question. I don't think I have, 353 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: And I was thinking about this because you told me 354 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: that you ask all your ask that question. I don't 355 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: think that I have. From this standpoint, I have had 356 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: seasons of really great happiness where growth and development have occurred, 357 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: and I feel like, wow, is this it? Like did 358 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 3: I make it? And I find somewhere not long after 359 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 3: that feeling that there's always like, oh, I'd love to 360 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: try that. And so I would say I am way 361 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: further from where I started, but I've got so much 362 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 3: further to go in terms of what I would like 363 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 3: to see and accomplish and do. And I don't say 364 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: that in a selfish way. It's not that I feel 365 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: like I want to achieve a certain thing for me. 366 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: It's like I have goals for my kids. I want 367 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: to see them successfully transition to adulthood and to start 368 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: lives that they find great satisfaction in peace with. I 369 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: want to make a bigger difference in the world around us. 370 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 3: My listeners have liberated over the last five years, We've 371 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: liberated forty three hundred human slaves across the globe. We 372 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: have done relief work in places like Israel recently with 373 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: the conflict there. We've helped get people that don't have 374 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: homes homes. I feel like there's always more to do, 375 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: and so I feel like and I coach a lot 376 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: of talent TV and radio talent, and when I tell 377 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: them you're only as good as your last air check, 378 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 3: that's really true. Whatever you just did by way of 379 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: your last presentation is what your current reputation rides on. 380 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: So I'm always wanting to improve what I'm doing. I 381 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: have good mentors in my life that I seek out 382 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: advice from and feedback from, and then there's people that 383 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: I'm turning around and given that feedback back to as well. 384 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like a never ending process. But 385 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: I figure a rolling stone gathers no moss, so why 386 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 3: not just keep going. 387 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we're missing a lot of that mentorship 388 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: in this country, where people, you know, take somebody younger 389 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: under their wing and show them how it's done. A 390 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of it is also I think a lot of 391 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: people just feel like they know everything already, like, oh, 392 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: I have the Internet, like everything's available to me. I 393 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: already know all of it. But I think a good 394 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: mentor know that story that came. 395 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 3: Out it's important last week or the week before about 396 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: gen z and hating nine to five jobs and how 397 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: they have no. 398 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: Patience, Like that story comes out every few Oh my gosh. 399 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: It's like there's a whole generation of kids that not 400 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 3: only don't know how to do anything, but they don't 401 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: want to learn how to do anything. And I'm really 402 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: fearful that that is going to be a very destructive 403 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: season when they come into leadership in terms of their 404 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: time if they don't, if they don't turn that around, 405 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: because that is that is an awfully ignorant, unhappy, belligerent 406 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: place to live, and one I don't want my kids 407 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: to live there. So that's one of the reasons why 408 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: we're going to try to help focus them in a 409 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: different direction. 410 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: My only pushback to this is, think about every generation. 411 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: I think, like, look at you know, I'm gen Z 412 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: or that's what I consider myself as. 413 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: Are you right or both? 414 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: GM, Jenet, I'm sorry, Jenny sorry, gen X, Yeah, we 415 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: gen Z. No, we're not gen Z gen X, Yes, 416 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: but do you remember we were slackers? We were the 417 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: slacker generation who like wore you know, the lad shirts 418 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: that didn't want to work. Yes, thinking back to when 419 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: to when we were you know, twenty, they called us 420 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: the slacker generation. There was a movie called Slacker, And 421 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: I think every generation gets criticism. 422 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: I remember thinking Millennials were the laziest people in the universe. 423 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: They were just. 424 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Always I remember the articles about them where it was 425 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: like Millennials just don't. 426 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: Want to work. But you know, you grow up and 427 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 2: you kind of face reality. 428 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: And I think what the gen Zers have that the 429 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: Millennials and the gen X really didn't have is TikTok 430 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: or Instagram where they post these videos of like I 431 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: don't like working. Working nine to five is you know, 432 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: for suckers, And so we feel like it's more prevalent 433 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: than other generations. But I think they're going to hit 434 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: the same wall of reality that every other generation hits, 435 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: that this is how how money gets made. You want 436 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: a certain lifestyle, you want certain things for yourself, You're 437 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: going to have to work for it, and then nothing 438 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: is free and that you don't get like only so 439 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: many people get to be top influencers who actually make 440 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: money on these apps. 441 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: I hope you're right. 442 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: So I have hope. 443 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: I have hope that they all every young generation is 444 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: considered lazy, and you know it's those boomers calling all 445 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: of us lazy. 446 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: We should just like all unite against them. 447 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: Well, they're not going to be around much longer, so 448 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: we should probably just cherish them and let them be 449 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: a piece when their time going. 450 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: Too good. 451 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: You're too good, too good, Kevin, So tell me about 452 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. 453 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: You're a huge fan. 454 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: I'm not a huge fan, but I'm married to the 455 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: world's biggest fan. And she literally spent all of twenty 456 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: twenty three playing the same playlist throughout our house. I 457 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 3: think from about January till November when we finally broke 458 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: out the Christmas music. 459 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: No, hey, Taylor has Christmas music. 460 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite songs by her is 461 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: tis the damn season. I think that's that's a Christmas hunt. 462 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: No, she goes home for the weekend. 463 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 3: Taylor and So Salem News Channel is one of the 464 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: places that I work for, and they asked me to 465 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: executive produce an end of year special that we ran 466 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 3: that was the ten top news stories of the year 467 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: and we used contributors from the channel to put it together, 468 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: and everyone kind of had their own pick, and I 469 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: got to do three of the ten pieces, the issue 470 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: and story and person of who Taylor Swift is. We 471 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 3: ranked her at number six in terms of general market 472 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: news for the entire year, and the reason was and 473 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: there was no other single person that was just a 474 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: news story except for Donald Trump, that made the list 475 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: by themselves, but she did because she produced more GDP 476 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: than fifty nations on Planet Earth. Last year. She paid 477 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: her sixteen semi truck drivers one hundred thousand dollars bonuses 478 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: for the extra hard work that they were putting in. 479 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: She went out and had five simultaneous albums on the 480 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 3: Billboard Top one hundred chart in the same calendar year. 481 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 3: The only other person that's come close to that was 482 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: Elvis Presley, who at his peak had two I mean, 483 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: there's so many things that you could just list. Every 484 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 3: single stadium that she played set a new attendance record 485 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: for the venue that she was in, and usually she 486 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: was there for two or three nights, so for total 487 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 3: total attendance for a single event, all three events being 488 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 3: considered one. She shattered records that had been previously held. There. 489 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: There was just nothing that she didn't touch that turned 490 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: to gold, including when they came to her and they 491 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: said or when she's she thought, well, you know, aris 492 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 3: tour went pretty well, maybe we should make a movie 493 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: of it. And they, of course had videoed every night's 494 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: performance throughout the whole tour, so they had all of 495 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: the footage. It cost her almost nothing to make. She 496 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: went out and negotiated with the individual theater owners of 497 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 3: how the release with her, and she starts getting criticized 498 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: by all the smart people in the room saying, well, 499 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: you know, you could have done much better if you 500 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: had gone through us. Well, on opening weekend, she was 501 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 3: in thirty eight hundred theaters, the most of any movie 502 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: in the country in that year. She grows ninety two 503 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: million in opening weekend, which was more than the other 504 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: top twenty films of that weekend put together. I think 505 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: she did okay, and I don't agree with her. I 506 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: don't agree with her politically on you know, she's very 507 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: I'm pro life, she's very pro choice, she's very heavily 508 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: into the LGBTQ, cause I'm not. They're just things that 509 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 3: we differ on. But in terms of a forced azure, 510 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: I've never seen I've never witnessed any single one human 511 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: being on planet Earth do what she did in the 512 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: calendar year of twenty twenty three, and I don't think 513 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: there's any way around it. People have to deal with 514 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: who she is and she's and she's also done it 515 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 3: in a winsome way. She's went out and she's she's 516 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: found new fan bases. I don't you know, the NFL 517 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 3: probably doesn't consider itself a Taylor Swift arena. It is now. 518 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: But Amy was watching the the Chief's playoff game. As 519 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: she was she was looking up the buffer coat whatever 520 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: coach she showed up, and she's like, I got to 521 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 3: find out how they made that. She did a whole 522 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: research thing on her phone. 523 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: That was a good story though. It was interesting. 524 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think conservatives misunderstand about Taylor Swift. 525 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: Well because they don't take the time to try to understand. 526 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: I think they just get her wrong a lot. I think, yeah, 527 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: you can, you can say her her songs can come 528 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 3: off a little bit on the whiny side. She's had 529 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 3: some mistreatment. She's also made a lot of bad decisions 530 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: when it comes to the guys that she's chosen to 531 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: be with. Ye, so that's kind of like a wash. 532 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: But I think that Peggy Noonan actually wrote a piece 533 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 3: about her in the Wall Street Journal, and I thought 534 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 3: it was really well said. You know, she she has 535 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: some profanity in her music, but it's very much, i'le 536 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: compared to most of what the pop culture is these days. 537 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: She does she's not promiscuous. She doesn't she doesn't, you know, 538 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: advance this idea that girls all need to dress like 539 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: street walkers. She is she she carries herself with dignity. 540 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 3: She has a positive role model on so many levels, 541 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: and she has kind of the heart of a generation. 542 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: And I would say that we need to pay attention 543 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: to how she how she goes about what she's doing, 544 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: because our daughters are going to like her, and we're 545 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 3: gonna have to. We're gonna have to figure out a 546 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 3: way to accommodate that or give them really good reasons 547 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: why they shouldn't. But right now, you know, I helped 548 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: make the Friendship bracelets for my bride and daughter to 549 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: go see the movie. We didn't take we didn't take 550 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: the baby girl to the to the Arena show. I 551 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: only took the bride to that, but we did take 552 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 3: the baby girl to go see the movie. 553 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how I can take my 554 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: thirteen year old to one of the shows. I mean, 555 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, she's a huge Taylor Swift fan. She 556 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: doesn't get one of the I'm going to make it 557 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: hat she wasn't. She wasn't a Swift fan yet. I 558 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: would say she became a Taylor Swift fan in the 559 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: last year. And now Taylor's coming to Miami next fall, 560 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: so you know, the pressure's on. I want to I'm 561 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: going to make it happen for her, But you know, 562 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: it's it's It's interesting because I agree with so much 563 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: of that. It's not my kind of music, but I 564 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: enjoy that my daughter is super into it. It reminds 565 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: me of being thirteen years old and really into different artists, 566 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: and I, you know, I enjoy it on in my home, 567 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: so I don't I don't have a problem with it. 568 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: It's not like, oh my god, it turn it's turned into. 569 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: A girl thing. In the McCullough house, the boys, if 570 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: they hear one more song, they're gonna put their head 571 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: through a wall. And then you know, my princess comes 572 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: up and she goes but this is so good you 573 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: just have to give it a chance. 574 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: So right, it's my youngest son is a swift ye. Also, 575 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean he does whatever his sister wants. But also 576 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: the fact that she's dating Travis Kelcey. They were on 577 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: this so much earlier than the story broke, like they 578 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: knew this was coming, you know, I would say very early. 579 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: So he's been very into that. 580 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: I think my bride was actually texting your kids telling 581 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: him all the stuff because she she knew about the 582 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: friendship bracelet at MetLife before he said it on the podcast. 583 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: There was somehow. 584 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Right same, yeah, there, you know, they're they're really into it. 585 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: So on a bigger topic, what do you think is 586 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: our largest cultural or societal problem in America? 587 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: And do you think this. 588 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: Is the most difficult question that you told me you 589 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: were going to ask. 590 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: It's funny because of the three questions, people very really 591 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: variate between what they think is the hardest one, and 592 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: this is always the hardest one for getting. 593 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think I wanted. I wanted to answer it thoughtfully, 594 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: because it's easy to just turn political at this point 595 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: in the conversation and then fall into the labels that 596 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: we just talked about not having right, like, well, if 597 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: we just had a different administration, then the world would 598 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: be different. But that is not my answer to this question. 599 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 3: I'm a Bible believing, God fearing person. I believe that 600 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: God exists for a reason, and that that reason is 601 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: good for us to understand as human beings because he 602 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: made all of us. So having said that, I think 603 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: the context of what the biggest problem we face, generally 604 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: speaking in twenty twenty four in the pop culture that 605 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: we live in is a lack of accountability. When you 606 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: don't have accountability for your actions, you destroy the universe 607 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 3: around you. My thirteen year old got baptized this last year, 608 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: and it was his decision and he thought a lot 609 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: about it before it happened. But we had a lot 610 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: of theological discussion about sin and the depravity of man 611 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: and who God is and what constitutes all that? And 612 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 3: I said, and I've said to him repeatedly, that selfishness 613 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: is in and of itself, what is at the core 614 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: of everything that we would deem immoral or sinful. So 615 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: wanting what I want more than the to the exclusion 616 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: of what everybody else wants or needs, and wanting it 617 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: to a degree that I'm willing to take actions that 618 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: are hurtful towards others, et cetera, is is the That's 619 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: the piece of sin, that is in every sin that 620 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: every sinner ever commits. So how does that work? Well, 621 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: you murder somebody, you don't want that person to live 622 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 3: for some reason. But it's it's not because of what's 623 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: good for them. It's because you're angry with them. You 624 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: have something that you despise, They've done you so wrong 625 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: that this is the only way they're going to They're 626 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: going to rat you out. Something's going on that that 627 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 3: that is the core of what that crime essentially comes from. 628 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: And when you live in a society where there's no 629 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: accountability or no check and balance on what your heart thinks, 630 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: then selfishness is what comes to the fore So, I 631 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: really do believe that an internal reflective which come on. 632 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 3: Has there been a season where we've ever been less concerned, 633 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: I mean, less interested in our own navels than what 634 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: we live through Right now, It's all about me. Everything's 635 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 3: always me. I want what I want and when I 636 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: want it. We cater to this that lends itself to 637 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: a lack of accountability. The reason the left despises the 638 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: founders and the founding documents of our country is because 639 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 3: there's so much accountability built into it that you can't 640 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: have one branch of government that's just going to railroad 641 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 3: the other two and it's clunky and it's inefficient if 642 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 3: you're the one that's trying to get stuff done. But 643 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: it also makes sure that there's a lot of checks 644 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: and balances, and you could trace this throughout our entire conversation. 645 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 3: You asked why I have such affection for my bride. 646 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: In part, it's because she keeps me accountable. She is 647 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: someone that I know that at the end of the day, 648 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: I have to look in the face of and I 649 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: have to be accountable for what I've done and where 650 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: I've been and why I've been involved in the things 651 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 3: that I've been involved in because she's going to ask me, hey, 652 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 3: how is your day. There's just basic restraint that comes 653 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 3: into a society when accountability is put to people. And 654 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: all you have to do is look at some of 655 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: the biggest headlines right now to see that. One of 656 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 3: the reasons that I think that Taylor Swift is so 657 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: interesting is that she sought to hold people who did 658 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: her wrong very accountable, and she said, I'm not going 659 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: to let you get away with the stuff that you've done. 660 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: You could talk politics, you could talk Hunter Biden. He's 661 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 3: trying to evade accountability. You could say that there have 662 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 3: been people on the right that have tried to do 663 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 3: the same thing. The reason Nixon had to resign was 664 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: because he was evading accountability for his actions. In other words, 665 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: this is a theme that runs through every life, every person, 666 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: every corner of society. And ultimately, I believe our accountability 667 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: does come from God. I think we are held accountable 668 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 3: by God at some point in time. But in the 669 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: human sphere, the reason that parents raise good kids is 670 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 3: because the parents put a check and balance on the 671 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: on the child and they say, hey, no, that's not 672 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 3: what we're going to do today. We're going to do 673 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna do this instead, and you're not going to 674 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: get your way, Johnny, on every single thing that you 675 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 3: ask for, because Susie's going to have requests, She's going 676 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 3: to have needs to Living in a community, whether it 677 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 3: be a family or a larger community, we hold a 678 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 3: certain degree of responsibility towards one another. It's not it 679 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: takes a village, but it is a we have to 680 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: live together and we have to we have to figure 681 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 3: out a way to win some lee, figure out solutions 682 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: that help all of us do better. And sometimes that 683 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 3: means saying no to somebody, and sometimes that means no, 684 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 3: we're not going to act that way because we didn't 685 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 3: get our way this particular time. So biggest crisis we 686 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 3: face lack of accountability, I think across the board is 687 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 3: really the thing that I would point to and the 688 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 3: kind of thing that kind of keeps me up sometimes 689 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 3: at night. I worry about, you know, is the government 690 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: going to slide off the edge because they're trying to 691 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 3: do away with accountability in different ways. So it is 692 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: to me that's it. 693 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: That was a very winsome answer that leads us very 694 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 1: very well to our last question. And with your best 695 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 696 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 3: Wow. Well, there's a lot of things that come to mind, 697 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: and because I am somewhat faith based and so forth, 698 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 3: I could go in that direction, but I'm going to 699 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 3: go with this instead. It's probably the hardest lesson I 700 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: had to learn when I was young gerr and growing 701 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 3: up in a conservative house and always being told the 702 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 3: conservative answers to life's biggest dilemmas. I grew up kind 703 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 3: of thinking that I knew it all, and when things 704 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 3: didn't work out the way that I had hoped they would, 705 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 3: I could have a tendency to get jaded. And at 706 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: one point in time, I had a friend who was 707 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 3: very wealthy. He was actually a client, but he was 708 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 3: very wealthy, and I made some offhanded remark when I 709 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 3: was playing a round of golf at his golf club 710 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 3: on his dime. I made some side remark about someone 711 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 3: being wealthier than God and not knowing what to do 712 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: with it. He wrote me this handwritten letter afterwards, and 713 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: he was like, keV, there's a lot of things that 714 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: are wrong with the world, and I share your passion 715 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,439 Speaker 3: for trying to make things right. He said, but if 716 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 3: you have this this outlook that you're the only one 717 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: who's right and everybody else is always wrong, you're going 718 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 3: to self destruct. And because I love you and care 719 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 3: about you, I'm willing to tell you about this, and 720 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 3: I think that I need to draw your attention to 721 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 3: it because I think you need to change. I'd never 722 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 3: had somebody speak to me that way, especially regarding this, 723 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 3: And what I learned quickly was that it's not wrong 724 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 3: to have your opinions based on fact and to try 725 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 3: to be as as truly truthful and right as you 726 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: can be about everything that you want to do. But 727 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 3: being willing to apologize quickly and mean it and take 728 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 3: an inventory of where you're at and adjust and calibrate 729 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 3: your response to that confrontation is probably one of the 730 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 3: It's probably one of the healthiest things that we can 731 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: learn how to do. It was a hard thing for 732 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 3: me to learn how to do. I still don't always 733 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 3: do it well, but I'm way better at it than 734 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 3: where I was. And I think that if I could 735 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: encourage people when you're in even if it's an argument 736 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 3: with your spouse, your kids, someone at work, you know, 737 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 3: voters in a picket line, and whatever, I mean whatever, 738 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 3: Pick your scenario. If someone's in your face and they're 739 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 3: confronting you, if you can take the breath, listen to 740 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 3: what they're having to say for any amount of truth, 741 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 3: apply it if it applies, Apologize, build a bridge, try 742 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 3: to go forward where you can. You're not always going 743 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: to be able to There are going to be relationships 744 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 3: that break even if you apologize and try to make 745 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 3: it right. But being humble enough to say I'm sorry 746 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: about stuff you get wrong, and to do it quickly. 747 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 3: Don't stretch it out and make it take four and 748 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: a half hours to sit you stooping in it all 749 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 3: night and oh well tomorrow I'll do with it. No evaluate, 750 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 3: do the assessment, apologize, quickly, repair the relationship. People are 751 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: the greatest commodity on planet Earth, Carol. They are our 752 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 3: best friends, they are our spouses, they are kids. There 753 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 3: is no aspect of life that does not involve people. 754 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 3: And if we cannot find a way to build a 755 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 3: bridge to people, we don't, we're not going to have 756 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 3: a good life. There's not going to be anything nice 757 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 3: about wanting to be around us. And I want to 758 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 3: I want a nice life. I want lots of grandkids. 759 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: I want to I want to look back when I'm 760 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 3: done and say, yes, look at what happened. 761 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 2: Yeah I made it. Yeah. 762 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: Well he is the winsome Kevin McCullough talking about on 763 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: that love talking to you. 764 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, is that you are a connoisseur of bourbon? 765 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 3: Am I am? I wrong? 766 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm kind of into Rye right now, but 767 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: yes I am. 768 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: I don't know if you have seen. And I don't 769 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 3: get a dime for this either, but I was like, 770 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 3: I got to tell Carol about this. 771 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 2: You should get you should get some dimes. 772 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 3: Here is our new favorite bourbon in the McCullough house, 773 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 3: New Rift, single barrel. Have you tried this New Rift? 774 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 3: You have to know this. It is the most okay, 775 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 3: caramely delicious, smooth bourbon that I've found. And it is 776 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 3: it is not incredibly strangely oddly expensively priced. It is 777 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 3: really really uh doable but New Riff single barrel, and 778 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: that's my little I'm. 779 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: Going to go check it out. And I think that 780 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: they should be sponsoring that, Kevin. 781 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 3: I don't know, I you know, I don't know that 782 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 3: some of my family members would want alcohol as a sponsor. 783 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 3: What I do, but because I know you like good bourbon, 784 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 3: I was like, I got to tell Carol about it, 785 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 3: new risk, single barrel gifts. If we were in the 786 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 3: same studio, I would have poor Justip, but we can't 787 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: do that today. 788 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: I love you me next time. 789 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: Well, we're going to definitely sometime, you know, join together 790 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: over some bourbon. 791 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: Love. Talking to you. Thank you so much for coming on. 792 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 2: He's Kevin McCullough. His show is that Kevin Show. Look 793 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 2: it up. It's amazing. It's really well done. 794 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kerl. 795 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Kevin. 796 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markowitz Show. 797 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.