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Speaker 1: But there is a guy named Terry McLaurin, scary Terry,

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Speaker 1: So we'll discuss some of that. And a funny story

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Speaker 1: will be in the foreseeable future. Who would actually stop

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Speaker 1: him from playing? Like, why would you care what they said? Now?

429
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Speaker 1: I listen, Obviously at this point you get drafted seventeenth overall,

430
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Speaker 1: you like, I'm not saying he like should do this,

431
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Speaker 1: but like it's clearly gotten pretty ugly and at this

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433
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Speaker 1: throw that out there, but the Bengals have had a

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's do a little thing. We like to call

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Speaker 1: the mailbag at John Middlecoff at John middlecoff is the

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Speaker 1: Instagram fire in those dms. First congratulations on the pregnancy.

485
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, former scout. Why do you think the Patriots

486
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: were so bad at drafting wideouts over the last ten

487
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: to fifteen years from Dobson to Harry? It seemed like

488
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: they just couldn't hit on a drafted wide receiver for

489
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Brady to consistently throw to. Does it have to do

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00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: with poor scouting or just unfortunate luck. I'm a firm

491
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: believer of nobody truly knows anything in the draft, meaning

492
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Speaker 1: a guy drafted number one overall could be a bust,

493
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Speaker 1: or a guy drafted in the seventh round could go

494
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Speaker 1: on to be a Hall of Famer. You never know

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Speaker 1: what could be happened. I think the Patriots have a

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Speaker 1: pretty good history at a lot of positions, right. They're

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Speaker 1: really good on defense, They've drafted a lot of good

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Speaker 1: offensive linemen. They've obviously drafted productive running backs, tight ends,

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Speaker 1: tom But I think certain coaches just don't have a

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Speaker 1: feel for certain positions. And clearly, you know, Bill was

501
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: a dictator, right, so his scouts would work like most

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Speaker 1: scouting departments, and they think of all the guys that

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: have come through there obviously Casario to Jason Light, to

504
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: Addam Peters to you know, Cassara's got a couple guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they got a lot of people that worked

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Speaker 1: for New England who went on to have success, and

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't listen to him. Yeah, there were famous stories

508
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: where he'd just kind of do his own thing and

509
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: some positions it wouldn't matter, but others, you know, specifically

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. He got on the phone with HERM Edwards

511
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Speaker 1: and he fell for Nikhil Harry, who I actually kind

512
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Speaker 1: of liked in college but clearly wasn't a very good player.

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Speaker 1: So it to me was a blind spot for Bill.

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Speaker 1: You know, like when you're coming behind a set am I,

515
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Speaker 1: and especially if you're you know, on a windy road,

516
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Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to wait a second, because if

517
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I get in their blind spot and they pull over,

518
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Speaker 1: I'm screwed up against the medium. And it's pretty clear

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Speaker 1: that Bill had a blind spot for wide receivers. But

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Speaker 1: Bill could really evaluate NFL players. So it's why Bill

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Speaker 1: was really good at like Wes Welker right, Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: He could find guys that had already had success or

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Speaker 1: even players who were underachieving Kyle Vanoy for Detroit and

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Speaker 1: know how to use them because he can watch them

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Speaker 1: in the pros, know what they're good at, and then

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Speaker 1: place them in his thing and he can create his

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Speaker 1: own scheme. But wide receiver, unless you're drafting one overall

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Speaker 1: or Julio Jones, those types, it's a lot of projection

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Speaker 1: and the other thing. If I'm defending Bill a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Gronk has talked about this hard to work with Tom. Basically,

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Speaker 1: once you got to the Patriots in the peak of

532
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: their powers, it was like taking some ki from Texas

533
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: and having him go to China and no one speaks English.

534
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: It's like, good luck learning Chinese, buddy, and that they're

535
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: not changing for you, so you'd get there. It was

536
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: just a complex offense. Tom had insane high standards. I

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00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: remember hearing Gronk tell a story one time, like, Tom,

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Speaker 1: you got to lighten up a little bit. You gotta

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Speaker 1: be easier with these young guys. But at a certain

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Speaker 1: point in time in his career he was not going

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Speaker 1: to change. So I think it was a twofold right.

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00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: Bill was weak at that position, and Tom was really

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Speaker 1: really difficult on young guys. Once he hit I would

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Speaker 1: say the post you know twenty ten, Randy Moss kind

545
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Speaker 1: of era twenty eleven, you know Edelman was kind of

546
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: an outlier, and you know Edelman. Think think about their

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: best wide receiver hit of the last fifteen years was

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00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: a seventh round quarterback who changed positions. You know. So

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Speaker 1: I just think it's, yeah, it's it's kind of weird,

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00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: but it's not really arguable. Can you please explain this

551
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: for those who don't understand the waiver wire? What is it?

552
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: Why is it? Why is it used as an alternative

553
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: to trading or releasing a player? What are the implications

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00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: for a team that claims a player off waivers? What

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00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: are the implications to the team that places a player

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Speaker 1: on waivers. I've never really understood it, and really interested

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Speaker 1: to hear your perspective. I'm not as dialed in sitting

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Speaker 1: here right now as I would have been a decade

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Speaker 1: ago to every to some specific details. But I'll try

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Speaker 1: to give you a cliff note version. If I just

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Speaker 1: draft a guy in the sixth round, John Middlecoff. Draft

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff out of cal Poly right guard training camp ends,

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Speaker 1: I cut John Middlecoff. He is subject to waivers, So

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Speaker 1: when he goes to the waiver wire. I have released

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. He is cut from my team because I

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Speaker 1: unless you're a vested veteran, and I'm not exactly sure

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: that number. I don't want to screw it up. I

568
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: think it's like six years or certain amount of accumulated seasons,

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Speaker 1: you can avoid it. It's why like this guy was

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Speaker 1: a free agent. But let's just say I cut Keenan Allen. Right,

571
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Speaker 1: if I cut Keenan Allen, or I cut George Kittle,

572
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: or they're not Trent Williams, they're not Travis Kelcey, not

573
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Speaker 1: subject to waivers. But if I cut my six round pick,

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00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: he's subject to waivers well at the start of for

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Speaker 1: the first four weeks of the season. And whatever that

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00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: cut date is, let's just say it's August twenty fifth.

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00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: It goes in the order of the draft. So who

578
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: just picked one overall? Why am I not dialed in?

579
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Who just picked one overall? Who just went one overall?

580
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: Who was the number one overall pick? Oh? The Titans.

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00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: So the Titans, if they liked middle Coough, they could

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Speaker 1: just claim him and then they take the contract. Where

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00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: it gets a little more complicated is why you saw

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00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: like Justin Fields and Trey Lance and guys and Mac Jones,

585
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: those guys cut because or excuse me, traded like why

586
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: I traded for them? Because when I trade for a

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00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: player that's a former first round pick and still on

588
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: that contract, if he's making five million dollars and I go,

589
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: he's a two million dollar player, maybe the team will go, well,

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00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: if you pay three, we'll pay two, and you're not

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00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: on the waiver wire till the twentieth team you trade

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00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: for him. So it's why a lot of times that

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00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter rap sheet reports during training camp, so and

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00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: so team is going to cut this player because if

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00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you're like the Ravens or the Lions or the Eagles

596
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: or a team that likes that guy, you know that

597
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: he's never gonna make it to you on the waiver wire,

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00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: so you negotiate a trade with that guy. That that

599
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: happens a lot so the waiver wire. If you claim

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00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: a guy in the waiver wire, you take on his

601
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: entire contract. Typically it's you know, younger players. You know

602
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: there's not huge contracts, right, But I don't know the

603
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: exact date. Again, I'd have to kind of dive into

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00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: the rules, but it's pretty simple. When you cut a player,

605
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: if they're subject to waivers, that gives all the other

606
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: teams in the league the opportunity to claim them. And

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00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: it's just based on first four weeks, the previous draft

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Speaker 1: order and I think starting week five, maybe it's week

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Speaker 1: six now, based on the current you know, records in

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Speaker 1: the league. But if you cut you know, older veteran players,

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times they just become immediate street free

612
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: agents and any team can sign them. The waiver wires

613
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: are a really big deal when you work in the league.

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00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: That thing comes out and on a daily basis, you

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00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: know whatever a couple of days in a training camp,

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Speaker 1: I mean you are basically from the start of training

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Speaker 1: camp through the season that that is a very very

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Speaker 1: serious documents and during training camp the documents a lot longer.

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Speaker 1: You know, random weeks, a lot of guys can get cut,

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Speaker 1: you know, especially as guys are placed on injured reserve.

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Speaker 1: You have to manipulate it a little bit. So you

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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: put a guy on injured reserve to open up a

623
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: spot because you don't want to cut them because then

624
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: you can lose them. It's a big part of training

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00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: camp knowing if we cut this player, try to get

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Speaker 1: him a practice squad. Basically what I was taught. If

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00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: you're willing to cut the player, you have to be

628
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: okay with never seeing him again, because if he's subject

629
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Speaker 1: to waivers and he goes on the waivers, any team

630
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: in the league can claim, and if he's claimed, obviously

631
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Speaker 1: he's gone. A question for the pod. With the new

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00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: Chargers alternate all gold uniforms coming out, it reminded me

633
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: how much I love the Charge uniform. What are some

634
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: of your favorite team jersey color schemes. I'm pretty simple, man.

635
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Speaker 1: It's why I'm a big fan of like some of

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Speaker 1: the old school college uniforms. Like USC feels like they

637
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: got two uniforms. Alabama just has a couple of uniforms.

638
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: Penn State just has a couple of uniforms. Not that

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm against Oregon, but like I like the mid nineties

640
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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers uniforms. I like the old school Pittsburgh

641
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Steelers or just the simplicity of the New York Giants.

642
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty simple, Like I'm not. Maybe it makes me

643
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: sound really old. I just I don't really care. Though

644
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I did see the picture of the Chargers uniform and

645
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: it looked pretty cool. Not gonna lie. I thought it

646
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: looked cool. But I don't spend that much time, if anything,

647
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: about uniforms. I really don't. Maybe it's because I've never

648
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: really been a jersey guy. I had a couple of

649
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: basketball jerseys as a kid, like Michael Jordan. I had

650
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: Chris Webber when he's on the Kings. But I've never

651
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: really been a jersey guy. So maybe I just don't

652
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: think about it. I know some people are not against it,

653
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: but it's just not really my thing. Uh question for you.

654
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: I hear so much about how Dan Campbell is now

655
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Chop liver and in trouble in the NFC North this

656
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: year since the Lions lost both coordinators, mainly Ben Johnson.

657
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: It is on record from Sean Payton and others that

658
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: Dan is an actual offensive genius and has a great

659
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: feel for football schematics, but he's always looked at only

660
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: as a CEO coach. I think he's a great offensive mind,

661
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: CEO of the operation and brings the best toughness versus

662
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: any other head coach. I think the Lions at least

663
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: win the NFC North and make another run. Your thoughts,

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Speaker 1: I think why he doesn't get credit for being a

665
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: quote unquote offensive genius or a schematic genius. He doesn't

666
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: call plays. So when you call plays, you get an X,

667
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: you get like extra credit, you get talked about in

668
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: a different light defensive two. Right when the guy's a CEO,

669
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: it still feels like feels like Andy Reid and Belichick

670
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: are calling these plays right where it feels like, you know,

671
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: Belichick is really telling Patricia what to do. And then

672
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: like Patricia and Flores or Naggy and Biennemy or whoever's

673
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: calling the plays, if they are calling the plays, always

674
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: give that guy a ton of credit. Well, it starts

675
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: with the head coach. He's setting the scheme. You know,

676
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like especially you know Dan Campbell's a

677
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: tight end offensive guy. Well, Ben Johnson ran the offense,

678
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: So I listen, I'm not saying he's not. I think

679
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell clearly is way smarter that he was originally

680
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: discussed when he kind of got the job and his

681
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: career kind of took off with the Lions. But you're

682
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: just hard to call an offensive genius when you don't

683
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: call the plays. As a big Eagles fan, I'm obviously

684
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: a little bit biased on the Jalen Hurts rankings, but

685
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: I feel that Eagles fans' biggest problem with it is

686
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: does what does Hurts have to do to earn more

687
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: respect as a top five quarterback out of some of

688
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks ranked ahead of him, he is only quarterback

689
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: who have a have an All Pro, which Burrow, Daniels, Goff,

690
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: and Herbert don't have. Only quarterback who have an All

691
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: Pro super Bowl appearance, super Bowl win, and Super Bowl MVP.

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00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: I feel like that is unfair to say for Mahomes

693
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: that winning Super Bowls is a quarterback stat, but for Herts,

694
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: he's just on a loaded team, since we don't all

695
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks since win, don't all quarterbacks who win a Super

696
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: Bowl have good teams? Not saying you said this directly,

697
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: but I always hear it in the media. You said

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00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: that Jalen Hurts has an All Pro? Does he? He

699
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: was an All Pro one of the uh one of

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00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: his I guess it would have been three years ago.

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he was mean. Let me just double check second

702
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: team All Pro twenty twenty two. Let's look at that

703
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: season really quick. So in twenty twenty two, he through

704
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: twenty two touchdowns and he ran one thing Jalen does.

705
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: He gives you a lot on the ground because of

706
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: the Toushbush ten thirteen, fifteen fourteen. He has fifty five

707
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: career touchdowns on the ground. Here's what we got to

708
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: be honest about Jalen Washington. They blitzed him, he killed him,

709
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: but in that Super Bowl. He's played in two Super

710
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Bowls and he's been fucking lights out. So if any

711
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: human being in life, regardless how they got there, in

712
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: the biggest moment of their life, excels, I give you

713
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Speaker 1: credit and it goes back Listen, like I'm not When

714
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: Jalen plays bad, I don't think he's like two brighter lights.

715
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude played for Saban transferred Oklahoma Wally

716
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: pipped Carson Wentz with the deuces, Like Jalen ain't scared

717
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: of shit. But when he plays bad, to me, it's

718
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: like he just kind of plays bad, you know. And

719
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: he's kind of a flawed quarterback in the sense of

720
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: he's more like a modern day powerful Russell Wilson. Right,

721
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: he can he scramble, he throws a great deep ball,

722
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: and he throws well on the run. But just from

723
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: inside the pocket, you guys were crushing him. He was

724
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: getting crushed in the middle of the season last year

725
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: because the passing game sucked. That literally happened. So it's like,

726
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: should he be in the top five? Top five over who?

727
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't play like those guys, And like you said, listen, Mahomes,

728
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: you say it's a quarterback stat. Mahomes has proven when

729
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: he has sweet players in a good offensive line, he

730
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: could throw forty fifty touchdowns. Like we know that over

731
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. That's just not really how

732
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: they played. But he's done it before. You know. You said,

733
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: Jalen second team All Pro two thousand and twenty two,

734
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he was really good that season, especially down

735
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Speaker 1: the stretch second half of the season. He threw twenty

736
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. I had another person, DM me that said,

737
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: the reason we get so animated about this is because

738
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: all these other guys and it's like, well, if Jalen

739
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: throws like thirty five touchdowns even if they lost in

740
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the first round, Like, okay, but that's stout really, I

741
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: mean last year through twenty and everyone's like, see, he's

742
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: like fucking putting Joe Burrow. It's like, no, Joe Burrow Baker.

743
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: He's got thrown forty Now. I understand he guys had

744
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: some injuries but still got aj Brown, DeVante Smith and

745
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: an incredible offensive line in Saquon Barkley. Like, I do

746
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: think it's fair to go in the biggest moments, he's

747
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: been lights out, But in some of these regular season games,

748
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: when that's where you really become like, God, I'm just

749
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: a dominant player. It's like, hey, he's kind of he

750
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: can be hit or miss. He's just a polarizing player.

751
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: He just is and I don't think it's necessarily gonna

752
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: change unless he has an unreal statistical year passing. He's

753
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: a great D ball thrower, he's a great, powerful runner,

754
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: He's an instinctive player. He's clearly just a good player.

755
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: But like, he's not a top five quarterback in the NFL.

756
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Jackson Dark As a Giants fan,

757
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: I'm pretty optimistic. He reminds me of a taller Baker Mayfield. Uh,

758
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: he's pretty bold. Baker was way better in college. I think,

759
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly, I think Baker is one of

760
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: the better players in the last decade. In college, Baker

761
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: was a legitimate stud and now he's proven it again,

762
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: Like Baker's really good. I don't know, man, he's a

763
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: fascinating guy. I remember watching him at USC when he

764
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: was really young. You love the physical characteristics. You know.

765
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Last year, I just hard for me to forget that

766
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Florida game. I think he's going to a pretty chaotic place.

767
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean, they haven't been winning. The coaches coaching for

768
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: his job, it feels like the GM's GM, and for

769
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: his job, it's a pretty chaotic environment. He did when

770
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: he transferred from USC to Old Miss like he went

771
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: to a pretty stable place, you know. I mean, Lane

772
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Kiffin has established himself as one of the better coaches

773
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: in college football. Played with a ton of good players.

774
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: I mean they had a down year last year when

775
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: they go nine to three, so it's like he just

776
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: played on really, really good teams and that is not

777
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: the case. Now he's not even starting. He's going to

778
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: be in a meeting room with Russell Wilson, who I

779
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: saw had a headline today said he's going to play

780
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: five more years. I don't know about that, but yeah,

781
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: I think best case scenario is they're just solid this

782
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: year and he doesn't have to play, and then they

783
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: started him next year, almost gets a red shirt year,

784
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: but I doubt that's the way it plays out. A

785
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: question for the pod big Rams fan and would love

786
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: to hear thoughts of my prediction for the Rams quarterback

787
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: situation going forward. I think the Rams will pull another

788
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: blockbuster Stafford like Drade and end up with Joe Burrow

789
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: in the next two or three years. It's a perfect

790
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: fit for everyone involved. Rams have an extra first round

791
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: pick from Atlanta they could flip into more future first

792
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: rounders and trade with the Bengals. If the Bengals don't

793
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: make the Super Bowl in two years, the Bengals organization

794
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: will get tired of paying everyone, which will make Burrow

795
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: want to leave. Joe seems like an LA kind of guy,

796
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: and I know he would love to upgrade to Sean

797
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: McVay and McVeigh light. Also, the NFL would love one

798
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: of the top four NFL quarterbacks in the NFC Burrow

799
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: versus Mahomes. Super Bowl would feed families. You know the

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00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: picture going viral over the last couple of days of

801
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: Sean McVay year one and Sean McVay year nine. He

802
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: looks better now and most you show it to any

803
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: girl they're like botox. I'm like, that's that's what botox does. Like,

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00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: I've never been one to stick a needle in my face,

805
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: but he looks fantastic. You're telling me that botox will

806
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: do that. I don't want my face to freeze. I

807
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: just wanted to look like Sean McVay. He looks good.

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00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: I mean literally looks the same at thirty eight thirty

809
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: nine as he did thirty years old. And then they

810
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: show Kyle Shanahan, who looks young and vibrant in twenty seventeen.

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00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean he he looks like a guy that drinks

812
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: four cocktails and two packs of cigarettes to day for

813
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: the last decade right now. I mean he looks he

814
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: looks like a weathered sob. But yeah, I mean I

815
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: think that Sean. I think the Rams if Joe Burrow

816
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: ever became available and listen to be like middle cough

817
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: stop saying that about our star player Bengals fan. It's like,

818
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: well we've seen that before, Carson Palmer. Things can get weird.

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00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: If it ever does get weird, I would imagine the Rams,

820
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: just like a lot of teams, would be heavily involved.

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Speaker 1: He would be a highly, highly sought after player. The

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00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: amount of money let's just say like next year, I

823
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: guess not money. Draft picks that would be on the

824
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: table for Joe Burrow would be I mean, it'd be

825
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: it's it'd be like an NFL record, you know, it'd

826
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: be like, wait, they just offered what four ones, four

827
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Speaker 1: two's and five fives? How much amount of T do

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Speaker 1: you think you or a team would trade if you

829
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Speaker 1: knew you would win the championship? For example, the Rams

830
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: trading all their picks for the twenty twenty one championship.

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Speaker 1: I think it's dependent on how successful you are. But

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine the Bills or the Cowboys wouldn't trade

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00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: ten years of guaranteed no championships just for one. I

834
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: think the thing that always stops people, you know, a

835
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: decent organization, from doing crazy shit is they go, what

836
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: if we don't make the playoffs? What if our quarterback

837
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: breaks his ankle and we go six and eleven and

838
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: we've just traded two first round picks for TJ. Watt? Right.

839
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Speaker 1: I think that mindset typically stops people from doing things.

840
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: Because for most players in the NFL, I would say

841
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of them, they would be available for

842
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: the right price. But it's so easy to say because

843
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: if foot While there's so many variables, injuries play such

844
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: a big part that people hesitate. And I think if

845
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: you could guarantee a team a championship, like what would

846
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones would trade his next four drafts to win

847
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl this year? Without his Jerry would be

848
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: the best colprit. I think certain people would be like, no,

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Speaker 1: we'll just play it out right. I think the Ravens

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Speaker 1: would be like, we'll play it out. I think Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan would trade you whatever you wanted for a Super

852
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: Bowl what. I think the two guys that would trade

853
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the most would be Jerry Jones, Kyle Shanahan, you're guarantee

854
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: me a super Bowl this year? Do you want fucking

855
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: Jed York's kids? Why do you think the Texans signed

856
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: their second round pick to a fully guaranteed contract so

857
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: quickly he sent a new precedent and put all the

858
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: other gms in a bind on signing their second round picks.

859
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Looks like Schneider of Seattle is holding firm. But I

860
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: gotta think there are a bunch of gms out there

861
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: pissed at Caserio right now. You know what's funny is

862
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: like this was a story that I didn't even know

863
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: existed until it became a really big story of all

864
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: these guys holding out, and clearly it's gonna hit like

865
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: the Rubbers gonna meet the road. They're at a fork

866
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: in the road. Over the next I would say, week,

867
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: are all these second round picks not going to show

868
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: up when the rookies report? And I would say that

869
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: I think there's a decent chance a lot of them

870
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: are not going to show up, So the second round

871
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Speaker 1: picks are going to approach it like first round picks

872
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: you used to like, you either guarantee my I don't know.

873
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: I honestly, I haven't even asked anybody why he would

874
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: do that. I'm sure I think the Browns did one guy,

875
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: and obviously the Texans did one guy. Maybe he was

876
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: getting ahead of it. A lot of people aren't happy. Okay,

877
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: last question. I heard you say on the last pod,

878
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: if you put Burrow on the Ravens, they would have

879
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs in the NFC Championship. But I also

880
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: say that if you put Lam on the Bengals with

881
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Jamar and Higgins, that he's not missed the playoffs two

882
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: years in a row. Either. I can understand the Lamar

883
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: versus Josh debate, but Burrow ahead of Lamar on the

884
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: ESPN rankings at this point is laughable. Well, I'm pretty

885
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: sure that Joe Burrow last year threw nine touchdowns against

886
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. Let me see how game log. So

887
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: I remember watching the game where they lost thirty five

888
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: to thirty four the Bengals. Joe Burrow threw four touchdowns,

889
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: It was sacked three times for four hundred and thirty yards.

890
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: He played him again and he threw five touchdowns. So

891
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: in two games against the Ravens, he threw nine touchdowns

892
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: and they lost both games. What's Lamar gonnacount for ten touchdowns?

893
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Like it? You just can't play any better. I think

894
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was as good as any player in the

895
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: league last year. His defense for the eighty percent of

896
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: the season was fucking atrocious. So like what's Lamar? Now?

897
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Lamar runs, but I don't think beast based on last year,

898
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: you could argue that, Like, if you wanted to argue

899
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was a better player than Lamar, I think

900
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: that's a fair argument. So Lamar mark threw forty one

901
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: touchdowns last year. He had a pretty good season. I

902
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: didn't realize through so many touchdowns. It's pretty crazy that

903
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Lamar won the MVP in twenty twenty three. Just doesn't

904
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: even feel right. Is that what he did with twenty

905
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and seven interceptions. I feel like he was

906
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: way better last year. That's pretty nuts. How did I

907
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: not realize he threw that many touchdowns? Yeah? Shit, my bad.

908
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: Lamar forty one touchdowns easy way back? Yeah, listen, I

909
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: defend Lamar, but I undersold him on that one. But

910
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. One thing that's that Lamar has not had

911
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: a deal with that Joe has is Joe's defense last

912
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: year was atrocious. I mean it really was. I mean, Lamar,

913
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 1: the Ravens have good defenses. Even last year they started slow,

914
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: by the end of the season they were really good. So,

915
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: like I told Coward, you could make any argument with

916
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm putting Mahomes one. You can put them in any order.

917
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: Personally for me, hell, I might, I might take Lamar

918
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: over Burrow, you know I I but I'm definitely taking

919
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: Josh second. And to me, I'm not I'm doing that

920
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: without hesitation. I'm going Mahomes one, Josh second, I might

921
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: just take Lamar because Joe's had a couple of major injuries.

922
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: But regardless, Like, I'm not gonna argue with you whoever

923
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna take, but I'm putting Josh to and that,

924
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: to me is all that matter. Otherwise, like you know,

925
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: one thing Burrow has over both those guys, Like I

926
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: figured out a way to beat the Chiefs in Arrowhead.

927
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: You guys are ever gonna do that. So I think

928
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: that's kind of a trump card. Now you could argue

929
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: that's like a NBA rings analogy, but still, I mean

930
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: that happened, and the shit the Bengals were leading that

931
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: playoffs or I mean that Super Bowl late in the game.

932
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think we spend so much time

933
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: arguing over these things. It's like in football, not everything

934
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: is the same, right. The team Jalen Hurts plays on

935
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: is a lot different than the team the Arizona Cardinals,

936
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: the Houston There's so many variables. How good your defense

937
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: is as you play caller, And I mean, the one

938
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: thing Lamar has going for him no different. Patrick Mahomes

939
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: is like best organization in the league, the Bills. I

940
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: think of established a really good organization. I would not

941
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: put them ahead of the Ravens or the Chiefs. I

942
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: mean the bar is set in the AFC. It's Andy

943
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: Reid and John Harbaugh in terms of like the best

944
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: run consistent organizations, offense, defense, just drafting, just overall operation.

945
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: I think the Bills are damn close. We'll see how

946
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: like if they can sustain it over a decade long period.

947
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: But the Bengals are not. So he is not those

948
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: organizations are so much just better run, more money, just

949
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: a higher level operation. And that's where I think people

950
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: try to like, you got to bring context into it,

951
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, the volume