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Speaker 1: A season gosh, it's season six, episode eleven, The Perfect Dress.
Speaker 1: I am joined by my bedroom crew.
Speaker 3: I know you have to explain what's happening right now.
Speaker 1: So this is like, okay, So I'm in Columbus, Ohio,
Speaker 1: because I'm a galaxy con right, and it's eight am,
Speaker 1: and it's five am California time, where Amy is right,
Speaker 1: she's in California. Same thing, Susanna, she's in cal She's
Speaker 1: a Calie girl.
Speaker 3: Four fifty five? Do you set your alarm for? Sz an?
Speaker 4: I actually set mine for four thirty because I had
Speaker 4: to put some rescure on.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. First of all, you look so normal
Speaker 3: and good. You have res I set my alarm for
Speaker 3: four fifty five. At five oh one, Scott called me
Speaker 3: and he's like, wake up, like he's al cheerio, wake up.
Speaker 3: We're on And I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, man, I get to I went through security
Speaker 1: and customs in Toronto to get to my connecting flight
Speaker 1: which was domestic coming to Columbus, which is on the
Speaker 1: very other side of the airport. I mean it's as
Speaker 1: far on the other side of the airport as you
Speaker 1: can possibly get. Ran run around, had carts, had had
Speaker 1: all kinds of staff, airport staff helping. It was an
Speaker 1: amazing It was like mission impossible, ghost protocol or something, and.
Speaker 3: Your life is so tough. We finally a bit seven fifty.
Speaker 1: Who had you get up at seven fifty yesterday? No?
Speaker 2: Yesterday? I what time did you like three am? Ooh
Speaker 2: I don't like that early flight out of Halifax. Oh yeah, no, no,
Speaker 2: nobody is who is?
Speaker 1: Who is? Except for Johnson? Somebody else does twenty nine
Speaker 1: thousand rip curls at this hour.
Speaker 3: So we had jingle Ball last night. So for everyone
Speaker 3: listening on Monday, this is Saturday. So we just this
Speaker 3: is two days ago. So there's a reporter, this adorable
Speaker 3: woman named Colleena, and she works at Channel nine in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. I asked her what time do you go
Speaker 3: to the office, because she does the morning news two
Speaker 3: thirty in the morning every day, My god, every day.
Speaker 3: I was like, how do you even do that? Like,
Speaker 3: what time do you go to bed? If you wake
Speaker 3: up at two thirty every day six pm maybe seven
Speaker 3: twelve one to six pm.
Speaker 1: At least six pm, Yeah, six pm, you could do it.
Speaker 1: You could go to about a six pm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, Well it was worth it to
Speaker 3: wake up this hour because of the Perfect Dress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in bed, Amy's in bed where she is.
Speaker 3: Suzanne looks totally normal because of her mascara.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to put mascara, and also my husband's
Speaker 4: in bed, so I couldn't be in bed. Also, so
Speaker 4: I'm downstairs in the guest room and had to kick
Speaker 4: the cat out. So she's probably gonna join us at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 1: All right, let's rock and roll gang.
Speaker 3: So this episode, Oh wait, Susanne, you have to do
Speaker 3: the synopsis.
Speaker 1: We're all discombobulated here me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's gonna want to stay tuned because you don't
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen this episode. Because we're all like,
Speaker 3: it's in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: We're probably gonna say some really stupid things. All right.
Speaker 4: This is a season six episode eleven, The Perfect Dress.
Speaker 4: It aired on January tenth, two thousand and six. Lorlai
Speaker 4: finds the Perfect Dress and it sets everything in motion
Speaker 4: for her. In Luke's wedding day, Rory is back at Yale,
Speaker 4: but not everyone is happy about her new apartment with
Speaker 4: Paris and Doyle. Plus, Logan makes a big confession to
Speaker 4: Rory which makes her feel a little crazy, and Luke
Speaker 4: confronts Anna Nardini about April.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, a lot in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a busy episode.
Speaker 3: So I will begin, we will go in order. But
Speaker 3: it is the perfect dress.
Speaker 4: What you don't like it? I liked the dress that
Speaker 4: she held up back in season five. I guess it
Speaker 4: was when Emily was trying on dresses for the vow
Speaker 4: renewal and loss. Okay, okay, there was a dress she
Speaker 4: held up in that episode that I thought was perfect,
Speaker 4: and I think.
Speaker 3: I actually thought she looked stunning. Well, Scott, don't tell
Speaker 3: us what you thought until we get to that scene,
Speaker 3: but I thought it was pretty amazing. So the episode
Speaker 3: starts pretty funny, with Kirk literally in the diner getting
Speaker 3: up and getting his own coffee, and Luke saying, what
Speaker 3: in the hell do you think you're doing? And I
Speaker 3: don't know, that made me laugh, Like that little bit
Speaker 3: just sort of made me laugh.
Speaker 4: I have read in articles somewhere that that was kind
Speaker 4: of the inspiration for Amy Sherman Palladino, as she and
Speaker 4: Dan were on a trip back east somewhere and they
Speaker 4: were in this little diner and it was that kind
Speaker 4: of a place where the customers would just get up
Speaker 4: and serve themselves their own coffee refills, and that was
Speaker 4: sort of the impetus behind, you know, this whole small
Speaker 4: town stars hollow thing. So I thought it was a
Speaker 4: cute little throwback.
Speaker 1: What did you think of yourself, Scott, I thought I
Speaker 1: quitted myself well as a diner runner. I'm very proud
Speaker 1: of that betrayal. I find it odd that I didn't
Speaker 1: rip him a new one the way I did Suki
Speaker 1: when she went behind my counter.
Speaker 3: I know, but you did rip him, but maybe a little.
Speaker 1: Less, a little less, Luke. Huh.
Speaker 4: It was kind of a kindler jettler.
Speaker 1: Luke, Well, I think he's happier, he's getting married. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, let it.
Speaker 3: Go, bro, and then they have their moment. Oh, only
Speaker 3: people you're sleeping with get to come behind the counter.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, yeah, it up and I know you exactly.
Speaker 3: So then we get the fun pay off, which at
Speaker 3: first it took me a second with the girls coming
Speaker 3: in and they had gone to Atlantic City to do
Speaker 3: the birthday and that was pretty great because I'm glad
Speaker 3: they did it.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, leave it to them pick up every
Speaker 1: kitchy little item and make every quippy, little clever comment
Speaker 1: about the entire experience. It was just all of Palladino
Speaker 1: opining about Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: I laughed so hard. We couldn't see journey with the
Speaker 3: fake for the fake lead singer, or in excess with
Speaker 3: the fake lead singer settled on.
Speaker 1: It's a great look line to Tony Danza said, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I just kind of rolled my eyes.
Speaker 1: I said something. I hope somebody can. I can put
Speaker 1: that up because this is because I do have a
Speaker 1: Tony dancer story. Actually, kid.
Speaker 3: Talk to me about Tony Danza. I love me, I
Speaker 3: love Tony Danza.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I won't tell this story.
Speaker 3: Have you ever worked with Tony Danza?
Speaker 1: No, I never worked. It's just a situation in a
Speaker 1: nightclub that I kind of got into a thing.
Speaker 3: You're not alone because people have been getting it too
Speaker 3: in getting into Tony Danza.
Speaker 1: But this was like, this was like nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: and was it the height of Who's the Boss fame?
Speaker 1: I think it was. Yeah, And there was a place
Speaker 1: called Carlos and Charlie's on Sunset, which on I think
Speaker 1: Wednesday nights or Tuesday nights, had a big thing going
Speaker 1: on upstairs. It was the restaurant down below. But then
Speaker 1: they had a club upstairs, so everybody went to that,
Speaker 1: right and Yeah, got into a little sort of standoff. Oh,
Speaker 1: a little standoff. I like it over twenty bucks iurisode
Speaker 1: so oh and I got my money?
Speaker 3: Oh good. I think I've said this before when Tony
Speaker 3: Danza must have come up in pop culture, but I
Speaker 3: can't help but think of the friends when Phoebe's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I love the song, the Elton Johns song about Tony Danza,
Speaker 3: and Rachel's like what She's like, hold me close, young
Speaker 3: Tony dance.
Speaker 1: But then he went on to do uh he was
Speaker 1: he became He's a song and dance man.
Speaker 3: Now yeah he's yeah, he's dancing his way.
Speaker 1: Singing and dancing and telling jokes and the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Dancing in New York.
Speaker 1: He's just got to entertain.
Speaker 3: We go from there to I'm pretty happy because I
Speaker 3: was ready for Rory to go back to school, so
Speaker 3: we sort of have the moment where she's we realize
Speaker 3: she's heading back to school, and I think there's a
Speaker 3: line that Laura Lai says, you're gonna live with Paris
Speaker 3: in her apartment, so we get that, so you're gonna live
Speaker 3: with Paris again again.
Speaker 4: Did you guys notice in that scene where they were
Speaker 4: outside the art that it was clearly filmed either on
Speaker 4: two different days or in two different locations or something,
Speaker 4: because Rory was in daylight, but Laurelai looking the other direction,
Speaker 4: it looked like the fake daylight, like when they shoot
Speaker 4: it at night and try to light it like it
Speaker 4: was daytime. But sometimes you can tell it was really weird.
Speaker 3: No, I don't have to.
Speaker 4: I live for that where they're outside the house and
Speaker 4: they're getting like Rory's putting her stuff in the car
Speaker 4: and she's getting ready to drive back to Yale and
Speaker 4: she's going to Paris's house and all that, and.
Speaker 3: She got to see the school psychologist, and you could
Speaker 3: tell I didn't realize Laurelai was so anti therapy. Obviously
Speaker 3: she needs to go to the school psychologists, Like, are
Speaker 3: you kidding me? She stole a yacht and dropped out
Speaker 3: of school, like no one's been needing a school psychologist more.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they all needed psychologist.
Speaker 3: I wonder if they started too late in the day
Speaker 3: and lost the light.
Speaker 4: It could have been, but it was clearly two different
Speaker 4: two different shots.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they'll set up a big white silk screen
Speaker 1: and then blast some light off it. M you know,
Speaker 1: there's there are many techniques. I think that's one of them.
Speaker 1: If yeah, it's getting into dusk and they'll do that
Speaker 1: to brighten it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there was a lot of shadows behind lorele ied,
Speaker 4: so it looked like it was at night.
Speaker 1: Later.
Speaker 3: Well, not to be a wardrobe litpicker, but I loved
Speaker 3: Rory's coat, the red coat. I don't know what that's called,
Speaker 3: like that pattern, but you know that pat, it's it's
Speaker 3: almost like tweed or I was going to say, I
Speaker 3: think it's tweed. Yeah, I commented to my husband on it.
Speaker 3: I thought it was really cute me too. The coat
Speaker 3: was amazing. They kind of distracted me too much with
Speaker 3: the blue scarf. You know how they are with scarfs.
Speaker 3: It's cold, so put a scarf on. That's how we
Speaker 3: indicate it's winter and starts all out, but I love
Speaker 3: the coat. I was like, oh, this coat is pretty iconic.
Speaker 1: The reason they do that is because it's one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty degrees in Burbank and they got to play winter.
Speaker 1: So it's like, can I just please just put a
Speaker 1: little scarf on very same and then and the audience
Speaker 1: will get it it's winter. But I don't want to
Speaker 1: sweat all day. You know, it's brutally hot in bird
Speaker 1: Bank when we're shooting that stuff. Brutally hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually can't imagine having to shoot in a
Speaker 3: coat in Burbank. Almost anytime, everybody.
Speaker 1: In every town hall meeting, every extra everybody was sweating
Speaker 1: our brains out in those town hall meetings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for people listening that aren't in California, it's December
Speaker 3: right now. And if I was wearing even a wool
Speaker 3: coat like that during the day, I would be the guy.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a T shirt during the day. Gets cold
Speaker 3: at night, a little chillier at night. You could shoot
Speaker 3: those scenes at night maybe without being miserable, but during
Speaker 3: the day like this.
Speaker 1: Is this is the sissies they turned you into and acting.
Speaker 1: They treat you like royalty, and then they make you
Speaker 1: dress up in winter clothes and gloves and hats and
Speaker 1: jackets and thermals and go into a tent that's one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty degrees in there, and they're paying you
Speaker 1: gobs of money and you still complain. But it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, people do this all day every day and
Speaker 1: they get scott wages and they don't complain. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like, just deal with it, bro.
Speaker 3: We got a little glimpse of Paul Ink in the car.
Speaker 3: I was cue you ever played Paul Anka. It is
Speaker 3: a good dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a good boy.
Speaker 3: So then the next scene is Suki and Laurai at
Speaker 3: the diner wedding planning, which we can talk about. It
Speaker 3: threw me a little that Lane was so mad, but
Speaker 3: I'm just assuming she's just got like remaining anger from Zach.
Speaker 3: It's not that Lorali.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I think she was just still in a funk because
Speaker 4: they broke up and the band kind of disintegrated.
Speaker 1: So every every time I'm in a scene, and it's
Speaker 1: not often with Melissa, I always feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I said, how did a guy like me end up
Speaker 1: doing a scene like this with somebody like that in
Speaker 1: a place like that, Yeah, because it's like I'm acting
Speaker 1: with like one of the big movie stars of the world, right,
Speaker 1: one of the most talented movie stars of our era.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, she'll get a star on the Walk
Speaker 1: of Fame, you know, she's been nominated for Oscars, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's like there, I am exchanging dialogue
Speaker 1: with her, and it's just it's just really cool to see.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing that takes me out of the
Speaker 1: show and I and I just you're a fan fanboy.
Speaker 1: It's like, because I'm such a fan and it's like
Speaker 1: I'm working with her, It's like I worked, but I
Speaker 1: could tell my grandkids if I live that long, that
Speaker 1: I worked with Melissa McCarthy on a semi regular basis.
Speaker 3: A very regular basis. I saw an interview I think
Speaker 3: she did the other day talking about how she was
Speaker 3: almost thirty and it kind of wasn't happening for her
Speaker 3: and this show was the career changer for her because
Speaker 3: it was really the first regular job she'd ever had
Speaker 3: and she didn't have to ask her parents. I think
Speaker 3: she said for like twenty four dollars to pay in
Speaker 3: the electric bill all the time. And yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it probably is the reason we have the Melissa McCarthy
Speaker 3: we have is because of this show, because I think
Speaker 3: she sort of admits she would have gone into She
Speaker 3: wouldn't have left the entertainment business, but she would have
Speaker 3: gone into producing, which obviously she does do now. But
Speaker 3: I don't think we ever would have maybe had the
Speaker 3: Melissa McCarthy we know.
Speaker 1: And it just makes me a man. It makes me
Speaker 1: think of how many people like her we didn't get
Speaker 1: to enjoy, that didn't that gave up that you know,
Speaker 1: it was like or you know, their circumstances, their family
Speaker 1: circumstances required them to pull out a Hollywood to come
Speaker 1: home and take care of your mom, your brother, your dad,
Speaker 1: your sister, you know, this kind of thing. And it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, she's the one that was in the circumstances
Speaker 1: and hung in there, you know, because at thirty and
Speaker 1: if you started, you know, from the time you were
Speaker 1: a little kid and you did your high school programs
Speaker 1: and you did your college programs. It's just such a
Speaker 1: feel good story. I love the Melissa McCarthy's story. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a it's an American feel good,
Speaker 1: stick to it, stick to itiveness, determined, I'm going to
Speaker 1: make it. I'm not going to quit. And if you're thirty,
Speaker 1: you've given your your entire twenties to try and to
Speaker 1: make it in this business and you haven't popped yet.
Speaker 1: That's courageous to hang in, you know. I mean I
Speaker 1: was twenty six or twenty seven in baseball and I
Speaker 1: just screw it, man, I'm not going to waste any
Speaker 1: more time with this. I gotta start something new because
Speaker 1: I'm still young enough and have the energy and the
Speaker 1: termination to relaunch something. You know.
Speaker 3: How long was it for you from going from baseball
Speaker 3: to actually like being a working.
Speaker 1: Actor you mean Gilmore?
Speaker 3: No, I mean like when did you have Seinfeldt where
Speaker 3: you were starting to get things that were like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm getting jobs.
Speaker 1: I don't know that probably took jobs to god jobs
Speaker 1: probably took five years.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a long time.
Speaker 1: No, it took five years to really kind of get
Speaker 1: you mean, you know, film or TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like, Okay, I'm doing this job.
Speaker 1: I was in New York doing theater, so I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was auditioning for stuff and
Speaker 1: almost getting it. Films and almost getting it, not quite
Speaker 1: getting it, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: What's worse almost getting it or not almost getting it?
Speaker 1: Seems almost getting it is not a bad thing. It's
Speaker 1: a good thing because then people in the casting community
Speaker 1: know who you are because they all talk.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: If you go in for something really big and really
Speaker 1: good and classy and you almost get it, it's like,
Speaker 1: I think that one of the better things that happened
Speaker 1: in my career, early in my career was I almost
Speaker 1: got the Mister Blonde browl in Reservoir Dogs, Quentin Tarantino's
Speaker 1: first film. It came down to Michael Mattz and me
Speaker 1: right and I was four auditions later. I was crushed.
Speaker 1: I was absolutely crushed. Went back to New York with
Speaker 1: my table between my legs. But you know, my teacher
Speaker 1: was like, Scott, you know this is huge for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, now your name is being bandied about in
Speaker 1: the casting community in LA in New York. It's great,
Speaker 1: said something. Now, something's going to pop now, and it did.
Speaker 1: So wow. Yeah, So that's it's always good to be
Speaker 1: in the running. And I'm sure Melissa felt the same way.
Speaker 1: She was probably getting super close to everything, and that's
Speaker 1: why it was with Gilmore, I was nailing auditions and
Speaker 1: just like thinking I was going to get the offer
Speaker 1: for two solid years before I got Gilmore Girls. Everything
Speaker 1: I went in on, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get this. Yes, of course, the offer's coming. And then
Speaker 1: something at the last minute. What happened. It's like, well, listen,
Speaker 1: he did great and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But well, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 3: But I think there's going to be an interesting conversation
Speaker 3: coming up about cheryln Fenn, because it's pretty well known
Speaker 3: she was almost Lowerli, right, I won't get ahead of ourselves,
Speaker 3: but because I sort of, well, we're gonna get ahead
Speaker 3: of ourselves. I don't like that she played two parts
Speaker 3: to like really important roles a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I take all the Cherylyn Finn, I
Speaker 1: get the same, but I just you know, she's lovely,
Speaker 1: she's delightful to.
Speaker 3: Yes, except it's for me, yeah, and maybe other people. Suzanne,
Speaker 3: I guess I want your take the most, and we'll
Speaker 3: get back on track. But she is in the episode
Speaker 3: very prominently as Jess's dad's girlfriend. She is that whole episode,
Speaker 3: and she's very major this isn't like playing a you know,
Speaker 3: background actor one liner and then she's back again in
Speaker 3: a completely different role that's really really major. And I
Speaker 3: get it obviously, because that pilot didn't go they wanted
Speaker 3: to use sheryln Fenn again recurring, So I get it,
Speaker 3: but it's a little hard for me where I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's literally a different person in guilt.
Speaker 1: So that there's something my mom used to advise me on,
Speaker 1: you know what she'd say to me, and I'll I'll
Speaker 1: extend this advice to you. Yeah, get over it, thank you.
Speaker 3: Moving on, Susanne, what do you think? What do you
Speaker 3: say to it?
Speaker 4: Well, I will admit that the first time I saw,
Speaker 4: like my first viewing of the show, I didn't even
Speaker 4: realize the actress. I didn't even notice it. It doesn't
Speaker 4: really bother me because she was one of the major
Speaker 4: characters in that episode, but she was only in that episode, like,
Speaker 4: we never saw her again after that, right thing, you know,
Speaker 4: that full California thing didn't take off, So I think
Speaker 4: if she had been in more than that one episode,
Speaker 4: it probably would have been like, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: what's going on here? But since it was just that
Speaker 4: one isolated episode, that kind of didn't really fit into
Speaker 4: the rest of the story. It didn't bother me as much,
Speaker 4: but I.
Speaker 3: Was yeah, look, I mean, I guess you're she can
Speaker 3: be a new character and it look, it's better that
Speaker 3: episode than any other because that was sort of a
Speaker 3: weird You could skip that episode and kind of be
Speaker 3: fine with you're not missing anything really, And she was.
Speaker 1: Also in the spinoff pilot for Milo and Roberst.
Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: sort of a weird, isolated episode.
Speaker 1: And she was great that she showed She showed her
Speaker 1: range in that role too, and this.
Speaker 3: Character is very different from that person ish ish But anyway,
Speaker 3: I may be alone that I'm like, oh, I just
Speaker 3: wish she would have been only this. And also people
Speaker 3: hate her. So people really do not like Anna Nardini,
Speaker 3: which we'll get to well, there'll be a lot to
Speaker 3: talk about.
Speaker 1: They don't like anything Nargini. They just don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't want Luke's past. And you know what, if
Speaker 1: God bless these fans, man, they're so protective of Laurelia
Speaker 1: and that relationship and the Luke Laurelai relationship that it
Speaker 1: just makes me I don't know. I am honored. I
Speaker 1: am honored.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So okay, so before we get to Anna, we
Speaker 3: go to Charland.
Speaker 1: Friend is freaking awesome.
Speaker 3: I know you must have loved working with her. But
Speaker 3: we'll get to that. We'll get to that love. And
Speaker 3: she's so cute and she is very Laurelai.
Speaker 4: Ish like you.
Speaker 3: We get why Luke dated her. Mm hmm she was
Speaker 3: so First we get to Paris' apartment, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: you guys give your thoughts on the apartment.
Speaker 1: You know when when I my first year in college,
Speaker 1: I lived in a place like that too, but it
Speaker 1: was a house. It was a house filled with graduate students.
Speaker 3: And me, it's not even bad that apartment. Why, it's
Speaker 3: not that bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the apartment was garbage. What are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: It's not that bad.
Speaker 1: It was garbage. It's big, Come on, big, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, as college apartments.
Speaker 1: Go, already, they had the space, but they it was
Speaker 1: in a bad area. Man.
Speaker 4: It was like, I would not have been happy if
Speaker 4: my kid moved in.
Speaker 1: No. Yeah, you know, you know the Willem Dafoe was
Speaker 1: going to show up and any minute on a motorcycle.
Speaker 1: The devilish grint. I mean, come on, man, it's like
Speaker 1: gangs in New York.
Speaker 3: So we do in our house have a dog on
Speaker 3: a thing, you know, like you know how they had
Speaker 3: the dog playing the dog on the radio or whatever.
Speaker 3: They have that radio that has the dog on it.
Speaker 3: So we have to have that because it scares away bears.
Speaker 3: So in Tahoe that you have this somehow it sort
Speaker 3: of knows movement so if like a bear comes towards
Speaker 3: the window, the dog barks. So I was like, oh god,
Speaker 3: it's not bigger than That's not that big a deal.
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that. And Paris is like literally wrestling Doyle.
Speaker 3: I was just like, what is happening? What is happening?
Speaker 3: Have you done Krav McGaugh.
Speaker 1: Ever, Nope, I have done many things, but not that.
Speaker 3: Neither Suzanne, have you?
Speaker 4: Oh my gods.
Speaker 3: I still say it's not a bad apartment.
Speaker 1: But I do a couple of deep knee bends. Call
Speaker 1: it a day.
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay. So then we go to town
Speaker 3: a town, which all I wanted to do was figure
Speaker 3: out what town they where? They were in LA.
Speaker 4: I was like, where Montrose, Montrose?
Speaker 3: No way? Random?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I didn't look it up, but I
Speaker 4: think I remembered that from the past.
Speaker 3: Because it definitely not stars Hollow. It's not a lot.
Speaker 3: It's like a studio lot. It is they're shooting somewhere.
Speaker 3: Was it a real wedding dress shop? They went to
Speaker 3: Suzanne like an actual.
Speaker 4: It looks it looks like it. Yeah, it's a maternity
Speaker 4: and baby boutique. It looks like I'm trying to read
Speaker 4: the signe a unique maternity, baby and breastfeeding boutique belly.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's kind of amazing that they decided that was
Speaker 3: the place to turn into a wedding dress shop. But okay,
Speaker 3: so you guys do not love the dress. I actually
Speaker 3: thought that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like the dress. Now we're talking about the
Speaker 1: dress like it. I thought the dress the.
Speaker 4: Dress, Scott what?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, she still hasn't tried it on yet, so
Speaker 3: first we just see it and she sees it.
Speaker 1: I think it was perfect for her. I think it
Speaker 1: fit her personality. It was a little on the riskue
Speaker 1: side because it showed, you know, back and in arms,
Speaker 1: but it just still was classy, I thought, and she
Speaker 1: pulled it off so it had a nice balance to it.
Speaker 1: And you know that I wasn't acting in that scene
Speaker 1: when I.
Speaker 3: I believe it. She looks amazing.
Speaker 1: I thought she looked great in that dress. And I
Speaker 1: totally agreed with the dress. All I'm all in on
Speaker 1: the dress. Oh yeah, I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it. Okay, So we get the dress and
Speaker 3: we'll talk about how that Suddenly the wedding's planned and
Speaker 3: we're done. But first we go to we realized Laane
Speaker 3: has sort of moved back in home again. M So,
Speaker 3: what did you all think? She's in a cute hat
Speaker 3: and she's kind of sort of her mother's daughter for sure,
Speaker 3: So what did you all think of that?
Speaker 1: I thought she was, you know, it was like her
Speaker 1: late adolescent rebellion was delayed until her twenties, and she
Speaker 1: was doing the things that she should have done when
Speaker 1: she was fifteen and sixteen or whatever, fourteen or and
Speaker 1: very strong, and I just felt bad for missus Kim
Speaker 1: being such a caring and obviously overbearing, admittedly overbearing mother.
Speaker 1: But that's just, you know, that's just how it is.
Speaker 1: Coming into the United States, a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: cultures come in and it's kind of terrifying the freedoms
Speaker 1: that are we take for granted, are scary to people
Speaker 1: that just move here and it's just like what is
Speaker 1: going on? Yeah, it's like it's frightening to them, and
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that their kids are a
Speaker 1: safe So, you know, I empathize. And she was so
Speaker 1: back on her heels now and Lane was being so
Speaker 1: aggressive with her own mother. But it's just a rite
Speaker 1: of passage. It's just what a child I gets must do.
Speaker 1: I think we all did it in one form or another.
Speaker 1: Everybody does, so it's you know, but I think we.
Speaker 3: Can go out of order a little bit and just
Speaker 3: talk about the payoff from it, so that she's sort
Speaker 3: of very missus Kim like with the customers. But I
Speaker 3: was really happy to see that scene that comes a
Speaker 3: little bit down there down episode where she gets the
Speaker 3: alcohol out and she know, she sort of acknowledges like
Speaker 3: you've had your time to sort of mourn this almost
Speaker 3: says I'm sorry it happened, and like here now we're
Speaker 3: gonna wash away.
Speaker 1: Our Yeah, but you did you feel that it was
Speaker 1: almost like an acknowledgment that missus Kim's job was done
Speaker 1: for all tents and purposes, that she raised a strong,
Speaker 1: fierce daughter, and now you are my equal you are Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the end result of all my efforts. And
Speaker 1: I have a smart that's interesting, smart, strong, determined daughter
Speaker 1: who has fire in her belly and a backbone of iron,
Speaker 1: just like I wanted her to have. And let's drink
Speaker 1: two shots on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't job there. They had turned a corner
Speaker 4: from that mother teenage daughter relationship to an adult to
Speaker 4: adult relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I write a passage, right, yeah, and kind of
Speaker 3: like yeah, we're we're sort of bonding.
Speaker 1: It's like she doesn't need me anymore in the old sense.
Speaker 1: She needs a newer version of me. And now we're
Speaker 1: equals almost and we're friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, almost friends, not quite, but like almost.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It was just a very sweet moment between those two.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite moment between those two because it
Speaker 1: was the sum total of six years of strife and
Speaker 1: anxiety and here we are and she's actually sitting down
Speaker 1: partaking two shots of alcohol with her daughter to commemorate
Speaker 1: the moment, and it's a huge, huge moment in their lives.
Speaker 3: Was finally acknowledging something that her daughter was feeling. Rather
Speaker 3: than like bossing her daughter, she was sort of saying
Speaker 3: like I'm going to acknowledge you and and what this
Speaker 3: is for you.
Speaker 1: But here's here's the really interesting part about it for
Speaker 1: me is that Elaine was raging at her mother, dictating
Speaker 1: to her mother with her voice, with her anger, with
Speaker 1: her force, like she was a she was a little
Speaker 1: missus Kim. Yeah right. She wasn't married yet, she didn't
Speaker 1: have a child yet, she hadn't raised a child yet.
Speaker 1: But now it looked like she was ready to settle
Speaker 1: down and raise a child because she because now she
Speaker 1: had the timber. And then Mama Bear reversed and I
Speaker 1: said Lane can't come down here right now, and reminded
Speaker 1: her who the boss was, and and Lane got very
Speaker 1: childlike again and said yes, Mama, and she came. They
Speaker 1: went and drank. Yeah, so missus Kim's still in control,
Speaker 1: still the Mama Bear, still more lessons to be learned
Speaker 1: or to teach Lane, but she's kind of ready to
Speaker 1: go out in the real world. Yeah, it was beautif,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful.
Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Beautifully for me, that was the most moving scene of
Speaker 1: the of the episode.
Speaker 3: For sure, and clever for those characters so that it's
Speaker 3: like we're they're evolving. We're not just like keeping up.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, beautiful beats in that scene.
Speaker 4: Because if you were, it was there was finally some
Speaker 4: satisfaction in that relationship like that we've been waiting for
Speaker 4: for six years. And I I thought it was really
Speaker 4: well done how they were really communicating with actions and
Speaker 4: there wasn't a lot of dialogue between the two of them,
Speaker 4: but you could see the whole doing the shots was
Speaker 4: a conciliatory gesture from missus Kim that I thought was
Speaker 4: it was just really well done because it communicated so
Speaker 4: much without dialogue. I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk about Logan. So we have the first
Speaker 3: Logan sighting at the coffee cart he's waiting for and
Speaker 3: she just bails him. She's just now. So she's sort
Speaker 3: of walking with that professor, really trying to get in
Speaker 3: that class, and then Logan and she's just now, I'm
Speaker 3: happy he's back. Look, I am, it's out.
Speaker 1: You got to have some matty sure in your day,
Speaker 1: you know, for sure, you know terrified doctors actually recommend her.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, I do. So then we have that
Speaker 3: blip and then we now kind of find out that
Speaker 3: the wedding is planned. She found the dress. It all
Speaker 3: fell into place that she's got the invites, she's got
Speaker 3: the RSVP list handled, she's got the church, she's got
Speaker 3: Pastor Todd, she's got the carousel. We're done. And then
Speaker 3: it starts snowing, which was a sign. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's like it's all too good to be true, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have to give a shout out to
Speaker 4: June third because June third was also Rory's court date,
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of discussion about why is June
Speaker 4: third so important too.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: So one year French for the Wind and what I've read,
Speaker 4: I don't know that this is true or not, but
Speaker 4: what I've read is that June third was hell knowledge.
Speaker 3: Wait what was June third?
Speaker 4: Was what Helen Pye's birthday? One of the producers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like like there's there's Amy and then there's
Speaker 1: Helen Pie and Helen Pie and Amy are interchangeable. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: they both talk fast, they both have all this hyped
Speaker 1: up energy. To be around Amy is one thing, but
Speaker 1: to be around Amy and Helen Pie at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so I've never heard this name before.
Speaker 1: Oh, Helen Pie.
Speaker 3: One of the executive producers.
Speaker 1: Helen Pie is a legend. She's She's a total legend.
Speaker 1: And her husband, I believe. Wait a minute, let me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna Susanne French. You're right now, I'm gonna drop an.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Her husband's name, I believe, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 4: It's David, Oh my gosh, yes, job Scott.
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 4: And one one more fun fact. If you rearrange Helen
Speaker 4: Pye the letters in her name, you get hep Alien.
Speaker 1: That's French again.
Speaker 3: These are what we call easter eggs, right like, these
Speaker 3: are sort of little easter eggs. I love it, alright, alright, juicy,
Speaker 3: Helen's beautiful. So before we get to more logan, we
Speaker 3: do have the scene in the newsroom. Paris is bossy.
Speaker 3: She's given out beats World. According to Doyle.
Speaker 1: I think you know, if Amy and Helen Pye went
Speaker 1: on tour together, they could sell out arenas are They
Speaker 1: just give him a couple of microphones and just like
Speaker 1: let them do their thing on stage. I don't even
Speaker 1: have to have an act. They just talk. It's hysterical.
Speaker 1: You should see these two. It's hysterical.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what Helen Pie. What are
Speaker 3: the shows she's done.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think she was Amy.
Speaker 3: So she works with the Palladinos on she probably works
Speaker 3: on bun heads too.
Speaker 1: Oh. I think she's yeah, she's uh uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: All right. So Logan is back at the paper, which
Speaker 3: I'm happy about, and I thought that was kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Paris sort of barking at him and he's leaning back
Speaker 3: to see if he sees Rory and he just hear
Speaker 3: her voice.
Speaker 1: I really I like that scene. I liked Maddie in
Speaker 1: that scene because because it's just like he's dealt with
Speaker 1: this level of anger and you know, hey, you're a loser,
Speaker 1: get your act together kind of stuff from his dad.
Speaker 1: It was just like getting it from her.
Speaker 3: She's pretty funny. Keep your personal stuff at home. We
Speaker 3: want to talk about your future. And he just does
Speaker 3: the lean back from the and we don't even see
Speaker 3: Paris at that point, like we're only here. That's a
Speaker 3: good scene.
Speaker 4: I had a tiny flag on that scene at the
Speaker 4: beginning when I can't remember exactly how it came up,
Speaker 4: but I think she was handing out the beats and
Speaker 4: she said something to Rory about you know your boyfriend,
Speaker 4: and Rory told Paris were not together anymore. I thought
Speaker 4: it was weird that Paris wouldn't have already known that
Speaker 4: they weren't, because it's been like six or eight weeks
Speaker 4: since they broke up, and now Rory and Paris are
Speaker 4: living in the same apartment, Like, how how would they
Speaker 4: not have had a conversation about that in that whole wind.
Speaker 3: I fully get it, but also knowing Rory and how
Speaker 3: nuts Paris is, I also could see them not talking.
Speaker 1: About it, right me too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I guess, I guess I have to
Speaker 4: pick up the probably not come up? How did she
Speaker 4: not notice that Logan wasn't around or was never missed?
Speaker 3: She doesn't notice that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I just think Paris is so obsessed with her own path. Yes,
Speaker 1: she in her little world and building her empire and
Speaker 1: her her trajectory. She's she's not fully a friend yet
Speaker 1: in a in a real sense where she would she
Speaker 1: would ask, you know exactly where she would she would
Speaker 1: look beyond her own nose and empathize with anything that
Speaker 1: that Rory's going through, would ask about it. How you feel?
Speaker 3: I agree that.
Speaker 4: It was just one of those weird little things that
Speaker 4: kind of it.
Speaker 3: Is weird if it was like Blaine. But Paris and
Speaker 3: Rory are best friends who like don't talk about anything,
Speaker 3: best friendly, right, yeah, like doesn't.
Speaker 1: Rory doesn't have those expectations of Paris that she's going
Speaker 1: to be close close girlfriends with her and share share.
Speaker 3: That's not because she has Laine and her mom. Now
Speaker 3: Paris shares more with Rory because she doesn't have anybody else.
Speaker 1: Right, But it's but it's a one way street.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, so okay. So then Lourlai comes to the
Speaker 3: apartment and just the no no no no no, no,
Speaker 3: no no no. There's a lot of news there, which
Speaker 3: all right, so okay. So then we skip to they're
Speaker 3: still at school but eating the fries, and we do
Speaker 3: get the line from Loralai like that apartment is a
Speaker 3: hard no called daddy, which is like because now that
Speaker 3: Christopher has money, she can't make him pay. And then
Speaker 3: they talk about the wedding and she sort of says but.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Also, Rory and Laura
Speaker 1: I may have had a missus Kim Lane Kim taking
Speaker 1: a shot moment with the French fries representing the shots
Speaker 1: where Rory is asserting her independence by placing herself in
Speaker 1: a sort of a dangerous situation in a bad neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But she's making that decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, good call out, and does say that.
Speaker 1: Overruled her mom with all the noes. No, you're not
Speaker 1: getting your way. I'm my own person and you have
Speaker 1: to let me be my own person.
Speaker 3: Good note, she does, And I did. I sort of
Speaker 3: was happy to see that.
Speaker 4: And there's maybe also an underlying current of if Laura
Speaker 4: I doesn't let Rory have this, though, Rory will run
Speaker 4: her way again. So there may you know.
Speaker 1: And and Rory's developing this this tough exterior now, like
Speaker 1: she's telling Logan to go, yeahy a kite, she's stolen
Speaker 1: a yacht. She's hey, back off each your French fries.
Speaker 1: Dummy up, I'm staying in the bad apartment. You know,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. I got this, you know. Trust.
Speaker 1: So she's neat, So it's good, it's good.
Speaker 3: It is good. Yeah. So then and then they sort
Speaker 3: of talk about the they're eating their fries barely a bite,
Speaker 3: which I did notice, like a tiny little bite to
Speaker 3: eat her. And then they talk about how Lorelai has
Speaker 3: not had this sort of freak out, this freakout circle
Speaker 3: and marriage isn't too easy and this is all too easy,
Speaker 3: and kind of you know, Rory started talking her off
Speaker 3: the ledge a little bit.
Speaker 1: H well, you know, so you know, looking over her shoulder,
Speaker 1: I mean, turn into a pillar assault.
Speaker 4: More of my self sabotages a lot, and so I
Speaker 4: think she was realizing that and kind of wondering like, wait,
Speaker 4: why am I not sabotaging myself?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Hang on, after the Fries we meet Anna Nardini,
Speaker 3: So now we get to it, we get to to
Speaker 3: Luke going to Anna's. So I mean, this is sort
Speaker 3: of some really big scenes for you, Scott, both of
Speaker 3: them with this situation.
Speaker 1: You know what I liked about that scene. I liked
Speaker 1: that it showed that we did have a full relationship
Speaker 1: at one point and that we still we agnote that
Speaker 1: if things don't work out with the self sabotager that
Speaker 1: we know and love is Laurelai. That maybe and I
Speaker 1: think that's maybe what the fans were reacting to, Like
Speaker 1: Chryl and Fann, she's fantastic. Oh god, now look and
Speaker 1: laurel I are jeopardized because she's fantastic. He could go
Speaker 1: back to her and this she's and Laurel I is
Speaker 1: self sabotaging and the whole thing, so that, you know,
Speaker 1: the panic setting. I get it. So we got to
Speaker 1: play that like, like, let's keep that open the possibility
Speaker 1: we don't hate each other. Right, Well, we got to
Speaker 1: be respectful. She's got to be respectful in my relationships.
Speaker 1: I've got to be obviously, you know, I'm in love
Speaker 1: with Laurel I. This whole thing. Well, and she can't
Speaker 1: show too much feeling, but I gotta show a little feeling.
Speaker 3: She's quirky. We see that in her we see that
Speaker 3: in her house. She's so cute, she's so pretty. She
Speaker 3: looks like Loralai, like there's a lot there that's sort
Speaker 3: of like, look, she's really not bad. I sort of
Speaker 3: like her, but I don't want.
Speaker 1: To like her. Yeah, you gotta like her.
Speaker 3: You got sort of, although I still don't get why
Speaker 3: she didn't tell him. We don't really get a satisfactory
Speaker 3: answer there. She does say she's she's sorry.
Speaker 1: Let me, can I ask you something? And this is
Speaker 1: going to sound a little you know far afield, h
Speaker 1: do you think that mate is there? Has have you
Speaker 1: guys ever seen a theory posted in the chatwomsor online
Speaker 1: Gillmore World where people thought that Luke didn't tell Laurel
Speaker 1: I about April because he also knew what Suzanne pointed out,
Speaker 1: that Laurele I can sabotage any situation. I want to speak,
Speaker 1: I want to speak negatively about Laurel I really don't.
Speaker 1: But given how many times he's been through the mill
Speaker 1: with her, without their guys, without the situation, that delay here,
Speaker 1: this and that things not the stars not aligning seemingly
Speaker 1: all the time between these two, that is there a
Speaker 1: fan theory that Luke didn't tell her because he was
Speaker 1: keeping his options open because if it didn't work out
Speaker 1: with Laurel I, maybe he's got a kid, Maybe he's
Speaker 1: going to head back and be with it. Anna.
Speaker 3: What's your take on that, Suzanne, I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: I never seen it. Just don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think that's really I mean that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that nobody thinks it, but it's it's not
Speaker 4: like an overarching theory. I always just saw it more
Speaker 4: like he was so confused by it himself internally that
Speaker 4: he had to work through that before layering on how
Speaker 4: Laurela I was going to feel about it.
Speaker 1: But wait a minute, wait a minute, what about how
Speaker 1: he felt about it?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What about how Luke felt about it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: And that's his that's potentially his family. Do you think
Speaker 1: there was any part of him that said, oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I should delay the wedding. I have
Speaker 1: a family. I have, Yes, I have. Maybe I get back.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a scenario who thought about where I get
Speaker 1: back with April and we raise up this daughter because
Speaker 1: she's only twelve, we got six more years before she
Speaker 1: goes up, five more years.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think you can think he as a man or
Speaker 1: somebody who who maybe feels this oh weighty responsibility to
Speaker 1: return and take on the responsibility and be that guy like, hey, Anna,
Speaker 1: I want to let's get get back together. I want
Speaker 1: to raise up this child, a child that's a big deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think he definitely. I think he definitely
Speaker 4: felt a responsibility towards April and wanted to have a
Speaker 4: religionship people. I don't think he ever contemps getting back
Speaker 4: together with Anna.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I think it's what I think,
Speaker 3: it's what you said, and that he needs a minute.
Speaker 3: This is very overwhelming for him, and he does feel
Speaker 3: like this sense of obligation and wanting to be a
Speaker 3: part of all her life. I also think he's terrified
Speaker 3: that it could ruin this thing that he's wanted for
Speaker 3: so long that's finally happening. And I think that they
Speaker 3: acknowledge that a little bit. First of all, Sherilyn Fenn
Speaker 3: is so cool, her outfits cool, her house is school,
Speaker 3: everything about her is cool so far. But she says,
Speaker 3: are you happy? And he says yes, and she says
Speaker 3: me too, So you kind of get this acknowledgement. Like
Speaker 3: I don't even get a flirt with them. I just
Speaker 3: get that like he wants to do the right thing
Speaker 3: and he's trying to figure out what is that right?
Speaker 4: And we know, oh, because remember back when he had
Speaker 4: that conversation with Liz, he told her he didn't want
Speaker 4: this to ruin his relationship with Laurea Isaac. We got
Speaker 4: a good thing going here. I don't want to mess
Speaker 4: it up. And Liz told him, she said, it's not
Speaker 4: gonna mess anything up unless you let it. So that
Speaker 4: was like some foreshadowing there that you know, Luke was
Speaker 4: concerned about how this was going to affect his relationship
Speaker 4: with Laureli, but I think that was only in the
Speaker 4: setting of April and not really related to Anna.
Speaker 3: Someone on our Instagram did make an interesting point, being
Speaker 3: that anyone in a very serious relationship would have immediately
Speaker 3: told their significant other some girl came into the diner
Speaker 3: today and plucked my hair out. Yes, Yeah, which I
Speaker 3: thought was like, Oh, that's sort of true. That's like
Speaker 3: I almost think he had a moment there where he
Speaker 3: could have brought Lorelion. Now it's a little trickier because
Speaker 3: he's sort of trying to figure out where he's at
Speaker 3: with all of it, But I think the right move,
Speaker 3: easier move would have been tell her from the start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Okay, So this goes back to how
Speaker 1: much he trusts Laurla to follow through on the wedding.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 1: Does he really believe it's going to happen? I know
Speaker 1: he's hopeful and he's happy, but does he really believe
Speaker 1: it and his options open with Anna and April.
Speaker 3: I'm more on the take of he's so nervous something's
Speaker 3: going to mess it up and this is so major
Speaker 3: that he's just like, oh.
Speaker 1: Man, right now, I'm going to mess it up. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be I'm the sabotager.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think she's still completely devoted to Laura I
Speaker 4: and he's just confused by this new development and how.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't he tell her?
Speaker 4: He said he needed a minute, he just needed to
Speaker 4: process it. And then you know, then she's shows up
Speaker 4: wearing the running dress, and so now that's not the right.
Speaker 4: Something always happens that prevents him from telling her, And
Speaker 4: then it gets to the point where the longer it
Speaker 4: goes on, the harder it is to say something, because
Speaker 4: obviously the question is going to be, well, why didn't
Speaker 4: you tell me before? And it just kind of snowballs
Speaker 4: from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think on a conscious level it is his
Speaker 1: fear of losing her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, I think so too. He's just he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to be the one to rock this boat.
Speaker 1: Or he's in over his head. He knows that, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and maybe even a little bit like she's been like.
Speaker 1: Come up, guess like being at a horse. Come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's been through she get there, exactly, She's
Speaker 3: been through a lot too, right, But she's been through
Speaker 3: this whole situation with Rory, right, and he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to be another thing that causes her pain and stress.
Speaker 4: Right, it's like Rory's back. We're finally getting things on track.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the one to mess.
Speaker 3: This upright, So okay, So now we have a very
Speaker 3: pivotal scene with Logan at the apartment and he says,
Speaker 3: you can't live here. She's kind of acknowledged you broke
Speaker 3: up with me through your sister. She says it was
Speaker 3: a fight. People fight, and he says, I love you,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very desperate move, wrong time, sad for him.
Speaker 3: I mean, but he sort of gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Oh it's not the right time. He uh. He went
Speaker 1: from sublime to ridiculous. I'm sorry, you just lost the whole.
Speaker 1: You know. He was a cool, alluring dude, had all
Speaker 1: the cards. Now he's got none of them.
Speaker 3: What does Suzanne the tiebreaker say? Because I wasn't mad
Speaker 3: at Logan here.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a little over the top, almost
Speaker 4: like it went from zero communication to just trying, you know,
Speaker 4: like confronting her.
Speaker 1: Can't break come on, I thought, But that's what young
Speaker 1: guys do, and they're in bad situations. And they know
Speaker 1: they've blown it and they're about to lose or have
Speaker 1: already lost, like the one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe. I mean Logan he's had his
Speaker 4: typical relationship pattern is not monogamy, right, He like doesn't
Speaker 4: have these these long term quality relationships, and so this
Speaker 4: is this is new territory for him. So I mean,
Speaker 4: I do kind of see that perspective. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, neither one of them communicated with the other,
Speaker 4: and so clearly they had two different understandings of what
Speaker 4: was happening. And so rather than I just wish they
Speaker 4: had kind of discussed it more, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 4: that might be expecting too much from twenty one year
Speaker 4: olds or she was twenty one, he was older.
Speaker 3: But it felt Yeah, I'm glad you said. It felt
Speaker 3: kind of collegey to me, and I wasn't mad about it.
Speaker 3: That is what a college guy does. It's like they
Speaker 3: are in college and he's over there, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: mad about it. I more have a flag on the
Speaker 3: next scene with the therapist. So I want to see
Speaker 3: what you guys say.
Speaker 1: But it's a write a passage for all young men
Speaker 1: to get the Matza ball in the face after you know,
Speaker 1: you deliver and I love you and it just hangs
Speaker 1: out there and it's not returned. So that was his
Speaker 1: so we got to see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, true, true, she's being fairly sort of tough
Speaker 3: with him, but we learn in the therapist's office she's
Speaker 3: totally unhinged. Now I have a question about that scene.
Speaker 3: But first you guys, say what you thought of that scene.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a therapist. I thought it was
Speaker 1: some of Alexis's finest moments as an actress on that show.
Speaker 3: Really, I have so the opposite.
Speaker 1: Take, thank you, thank you. I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I don't like the scene at all because it just
Speaker 3: feels so fake. So I have an acting question for you.
Speaker 1: Scott, but it yes, go ahead, sorry, So.
Speaker 3: Because this is like Gilmore Girls, right, yes, and it's
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls. Is a is a comedy drama to me? Okay,
Speaker 3: comedy first.
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna ask me, And yes, it
Speaker 1: did skew comedy okay, yeah, yeah, And that's what I
Speaker 1: so appreciated about it, because it showed a real ability
Speaker 1: on Alexis's part to understand that this was a comedic moment. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: this is not a dramatic moment. This is a comedic moment, okay.
Speaker 1: And she'd made all of the right choices the entire scene.
Speaker 1: It was impressive to.
Speaker 3: Watch, Okay, So that helps me a lot because I
Speaker 3: was I was sort of aware of that, like I'm
Speaker 3: watching this expecting this to be.
Speaker 1: You know what's a very supposed to laugh.
Speaker 3: Right, like I wanted it to be. Like, I can't
Speaker 3: think of some very dramatic.
Speaker 1: Who no, come on, that would have dragged the whole
Speaker 1: episode down into like you know exactly, so we're not
Speaker 1: doing Tolstoy or sol Janison for let's sake.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're answering my question perfectly, because say, as an actor,
Speaker 3: you get that scene right, So you just get that
Speaker 3: script for the scene, right. Do you play it differently
Speaker 3: if it's for Gilmore Girls as opposed to again, I
Speaker 3: can't think of like some very serious drama.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you play it different. It's a different tone, it's
Speaker 1: a different style. And it was discussed, all discussed beforehand,
Speaker 1: and the director talking and Amy and the a Lexus
Speaker 1: are talking. Listen the tone of this scene, YadA YadA, YadA, right,
Speaker 1: and she nailed it. She hit it part.
Speaker 3: It was perfect all right, fair, because I, for some reason,
Speaker 3: when I wanted it to be my god, why can
Speaker 3: I not think of any like huge drama Gray's anatomy.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, right, I, it's not that.
Speaker 3: It's okay, it's supposed to be that.
Speaker 1: It sets in the city light light in the light
Speaker 1: light light, comedic.
Speaker 3: There more sitcomy, almost like it felt like it was
Speaker 3: to be funny, which is why I was like, this
Speaker 3: scene is two fake?
Speaker 1: It was. It was intense, it was fast paced, it
Speaker 1: was comedic. I thought she handled it beautifully. I was
Speaker 1: so impressed.
Speaker 3: All right, fair that change? Does that change your take
Speaker 3: on it?
Speaker 4: It does? I I thought it was humorous, but not
Speaker 4: necessarily funny.
Speaker 3: It fell campy, and it fell campy to me, a fake.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be.
Speaker 4: It was funny when she had like one tissue and
Speaker 4: she's got like forty tissues and that was funny.
Speaker 1: But that's it was supposed to be campy. It was
Speaker 1: supposed to be right.
Speaker 3: But I would maybe like to see it be be serious.
Speaker 1: That's a different cha.
Speaker 5: I kind of agree that you should tune into Sullivan's crossing. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: that's all it is. Yeah, yeah, okay, it's like tears
Speaker 5: are flowing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So we sort of talked about the scene with Lane
Speaker 3: and her mom obviously very much talked about it. So
Speaker 3: we now get Lorelei in her room getting the call
Speaker 3: from Rory. Guess who's crazy? You know, by the way,
Speaker 3: her room does look amazing. But they sort of have
Speaker 3: this talk about doctor Shapiro and how she exploded, and
Speaker 3: I really liked that Loralai paid no attention to any
Speaker 3: of that, but wanted to know if she believed Logan do.
Speaker 4: You believe them?
Speaker 3: So I thought I thought I liked that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that was a good moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we learned that Rory's going back to therapy
Speaker 3: what she needs to and oh my gosh, I don't
Speaker 3: even need best lines because when she says blame it
Speaker 3: on Grandma, that was awesome. So and I love her.
Speaker 3: I love her room. So, oh, I think we have
Speaker 3: the moment where is the scene where Luke gets with
Speaker 3: Kerr to try and find the signal the Wi Fi
Speaker 3: and we're like, what are they doing? And because he
Speaker 3: wanted to see her website.
Speaker 4: That's right after the therapy session.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So we're right sort of in there with that,
Speaker 3: and then we get the scene with Anna again and
Speaker 3: he says, you know, you should have told me, and
Speaker 3: I want to know my daughter, and this is you know,
Speaker 3: like's like me.
Speaker 1: You know, having a kid is one thing, and being
Speaker 1: there for that child it's everything. Yeah, and to find out,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to imagine you find out you
Speaker 1: have a child twelve years after the fact, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's just got to spin your brain around a few times. Like, boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was probably just frozen, couldn't make a
Speaker 1: decision on what to do. Well, you guys are totally right.
Speaker 1: He's still processing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if he always spends your roll around
Speaker 4: like everything.
Speaker 1: Now you know how that's that could blow up the
Speaker 1: entire relationship. I can't. I can't be hard on my guy.
Speaker 3: With fans hate for this whole situation, I do think
Speaker 3: they're not giving the situation enough credit. Like, come on,
Speaker 3: this guy just realizes he has a kid, Like, who
Speaker 3: knows how to handle that? So maybe don't handle it well,
Speaker 3: but like that's why you know what to handle that.
Speaker 1: But define handling it well. He goes to Laurel I
Speaker 1: as soon as he finds out she pulls the hair
Speaker 1: out of his head. She goes off to du the
Speaker 1: DNA test. He goes to Laurel I. He's effectively in
Speaker 1: his mind ending the relationship by telling her right right, kid,
Speaker 1: And that's that's what you know. A certain percentage of
Speaker 1: people who are in serious relationships thinks he should have
Speaker 1: done right.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: So long term, he's the good guy who copped to
Speaker 1: it right away and didn't withhold, But he loses the
Speaker 1: relationship potential. He's really but it comes down to a
Speaker 1: question of trust and respect. Trust in your partner that
Speaker 1: she's going to make the right decision, and respect that
Speaker 1: you did that, and that you gave her the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt, and you gave her the power of
Speaker 1: the having the information to decide, because it's her life too,
Speaker 1: and she deserves that information. So I see both sides.
Speaker 1: She deserves that information to process it herself, because that's
Speaker 1: a bomb in her life, to personally and to the relationship.
Speaker 1: But at least he gave her the respect to make
Speaker 1: the decision. She want to continue with this? Does she
Speaker 1: want to process? If our love is truly real, then
Speaker 1: she'll process it. It might take a day, it might
Speaker 1: take a week, whatever, it might cause an upset a
Speaker 1: delay in the wedding, but she'll come back to me
Speaker 1: because I know she loves me, and I know I
Speaker 1: want her to trust me, and this is a big
Speaker 1: trust thing. So I see both sons.
Speaker 3: I do too, because I also see this is the
Speaker 3: most overwhelming, unbelievable, shocking, life altering news where Luke has
Speaker 3: all these complex feelings too, like should I have known?
Speaker 3: Why didn't she tell me? I'm sure you've got sadness, anger, shock,
Speaker 3: just bewilderment, like you don't know what to do? And Joy,
Speaker 3: that's right exactly, Joy.
Speaker 1: I have a charge, not really, but I think.
Speaker 3: Not letting Luke have his experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's wrong with me that that Anna didn't tell me? Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 3: Scott? You make such a good point there. What's wrong
Speaker 3: with me that she didn't tell me? Because you get
Speaker 3: you would totally be self conscious, like am I not
Speaker 3: good enough to be a father? Is that why this
Speaker 3: woman would have rather done this on her own? It's
Speaker 3: not like you are a one night stand, right Like
Speaker 3: she knows you, so she made a conscious choice to
Speaker 3: not tell you, which is a ass move by the way,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, she should have told him immediately that's
Speaker 3: like so gnarly. But as the Luke, you would feel like,
Speaker 3: am I not what's wrong with me? That she didn't
Speaker 3: think I could be a dad. She'd rather do it
Speaker 3: on her own than do it with me, And that
Speaker 3: would mess you up so bad.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, like that's when you would
Speaker 4: turn to your current partner for support. I if you're
Speaker 4: in a trusting relationship like that, then the plan is
Speaker 4: that the two of you would face any obstacle together.
Speaker 3: We can I throw out one. And you know, I
Speaker 3: love Loralai more than anybody on the planet, well or
Speaker 3: equal to many people on the planet. But I love Lorlai, right,
Speaker 3: But this is a harsh thing to say. Maybe subconsciously
Speaker 3: this is not really to say, I admit it. People
Speaker 3: might get mad. Maybe he knows that Laura I sometimes
Speaker 3: tends to make things about loral And truly this isn't
Speaker 3: about Lorelai, Like this should just be about Luke. And
Speaker 3: maybe Loralai would do the right thing and be fully
Speaker 3: supportive of just whatever Luke needs. But maybe she would
Speaker 3: make this about her. It's not crazy to say she
Speaker 3: sometimes does that.
Speaker 1: Interesting interesting point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why they call this in the business a complication
Speaker 1: because it is complex. It's really complex. Yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: just scratching the surface here. You know. It's wow.
Speaker 4: I think statistically speaking, she would have been more likely
Speaker 4: to be supportive of Luke and to try to help
Speaker 4: him through it than to make it about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like his fear that this would break them
Speaker 4: up was unfounded. I don't think it would have broken
Speaker 4: them up.
Speaker 1: I think, well, I tell you, you know, there's nothing more
Speaker 1: boring than perfect people.
Speaker 3: Exactly. That's Scott. I was just about to say, for
Speaker 3: everybody that sort of gives this storyline grief, I think
Speaker 3: it's so meaty, and I think it was with all
Speaker 3: good intentions that the creators gave us this because so meaty.
Speaker 3: It's so it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: They acknowledge that flawed characters and flowed personalities are far
Speaker 1: more interesting to watch on television.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 1: You know, a bunch of perfect people behaving. It's like
Speaker 1: everybody does the right thing all the time, like click,
Speaker 1: and I don't it don't make sure about people like that.
Speaker 3: I'm not a Season six hater. I'm just not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not yet. I'm waiting, you know, because.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't expect him to do the right thing. Also,
Speaker 3: all the time, this guy doesn't always he never does
Speaker 3: the bad thing, but he doesn't do the right thing
Speaker 3: with all good intentions. He just messes it up.
Speaker 1: Because I think I listen, I think the power and
Speaker 1: the complexity of the Luke and Lorelei relationship is so
Speaker 1: aspirational for the fans, and it is presented in I mean,
Speaker 1: the whole thing is such a tease for so long,
Speaker 1: and that it is so fraught with danger, and the
Speaker 1: fans have gone through all of these vicariously because they've
Speaker 1: gone through it themselves in their lives, and they really
Speaker 1: want this to work out. They're so invested in it,
Speaker 1: so they kind of maybe forget that these are flawed
Speaker 1: people and this thing could blow up up in our faces.
Speaker 1: And I think the Palladinos are brilliant in the sense that,
Speaker 1: you know, they toy with people the way they toy
Speaker 1: with the people's emotions by throwing in these complications, and
Speaker 1: I think they always knew, like, listen, there's going to
Speaker 1: be an inn and Nardinia there's going to be a kid.
Speaker 1: The fans are going to hate them, like aspirational the
Speaker 1: Luke and laurel our relationship isn't how devoted the fans
Speaker 1: are to this relationship. Ye that we must, we must
Speaker 1: drop a little fly in the ointment here, if you will.
Speaker 3: So it makes me laugh because there's this video that
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of floating around TikTok. It's a
Speaker 3: blooper ish between you and Lauren. So there's a scene
Speaker 3: I think it's way back on the bench. You're having
Speaker 3: a conversation. I don't know if you've seen this, Suzanne.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: He sort of messes up and says I love you,
Speaker 3: and you know, they giggle, giggle, and Scott says something
Speaker 3: funny like, oh, he's showing your feelings whatever, and she
Speaker 3: says something like and the show would be over. And
Speaker 3: it's like, you guys like literally acknowledge that if there's
Speaker 3: no bumps in the road, there is no show. This
Speaker 3: is The show is watching these two people navigate complications.
Speaker 1: You know what. I think this is at its core.
Speaker 1: I think that this is and they can't show it
Speaker 1: on this show because it's a family show. I think
Speaker 1: that these two are wildly attracted to Na.
Speaker 3: Laura, not Anna, right.
Speaker 1: I think that Luke and Laurelai are wildly attracted to
Speaker 1: one another, and they are both of them are are
Speaker 1: living in a state of high anxiety and need for
Speaker 1: that chemistry, chemistry and energy to have it more than
Speaker 1: they have been able to have it, right, to consummate,
Speaker 1: to enjoy each other. And there's a lot of because
Speaker 1: I think maybe deep down they both know that there's
Speaker 1: a lot working against them in this relationship. She's from
Speaker 1: a certain class, he's from another class. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it's a kind of a it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's Romeo and Juliet, and it's this it's the
Speaker 1: sexual tension between these two characters is so incendiary that
Speaker 1: it causes all of this anxiety all of the time
Speaker 1: from both parties. And I think any complications, their hesitations
Speaker 1: are going to be met with the fear of losing
Speaker 1: this connection, because I think it is so powerful and
Speaker 1: so magnetic yea, that they would be ruined if they
Speaker 1: couldn't have each other or they you know, they eventually
Speaker 1: get over and deal with it, but it always be
Speaker 1: in the back of their minds, and they'd always want
Speaker 1: to be with each other and get back together with
Speaker 1: one another.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting take you're sort of saying. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like, oh no, we're going to ruin the friendship.
Speaker 1: It's a little bitship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. I don't think that there's something
Speaker 3: to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's a about ruining the opportunity to turn the lights
Speaker 1: down the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. The like sort of more just
Speaker 3: this intense connection.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very it's a very intense connection.
Speaker 1: We got to keep that in my mind, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that makes people. That makes people a little nutty.
Speaker 3: That's right, and maybe making Luke especially sort of making
Speaker 3: these decisions that aren't just the most logical, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So we sort of end with he's going to tell her,
Speaker 3: He's coming back to tell her, right, and he wants
Speaker 3: her to come downstairs so he can tell her. And
Speaker 3: then she's in the dress, right, and you can't tell her.
Speaker 3: I get it. He can't tell her.
Speaker 1: And he looked like and Luke looked like he wanted
Speaker 1: to eat her right then and there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean right, he can't he can't do the
Speaker 3: right thing because he's doing the right thing in that moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, because because there are times in this show
Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself, why in the heck is
Speaker 1: she hanging with us? Dude, and vice versa.
Speaker 3: I never asked. I never asked. I don't never ask
Speaker 3: I never asked that you might be alone because I
Speaker 3: think there's nothing more us for the reason.
Speaker 1: That's the reason the chemistry is so powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Judy Bloom and Deini. But also
Speaker 3: what is what do you guys get? I mean, give
Speaker 3: your favorite lines. I gave mine if you want, and
Speaker 3: then we need to like rate this.
Speaker 4: Ah okay. My favorite line was back at the beginning
Speaker 4: of the episode when they walk in from going to
Speaker 4: Atlantic City and Luke mentions that he's been going to
Speaker 4: bed at ten fifteen and Laureland calls him Grandpa.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Mine is the Tony dancing line. Whatever I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I said, because you know, again, it
Speaker 1: just demonstrates the Pallatinos weird knowledge of your life going
Speaker 1: back and I never told that story. It's a long listen.
Speaker 1: I gave you the annotated version, but it's like, this
Speaker 1: is a long drawn out story and it's a great story.
Speaker 1: And look, I have the utmost respect for Tony Dance.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to but back in the day, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a little almost a little dust up over money.
Speaker 1: So you know, it just something that happens to certain
Speaker 1: people when they're in Los Angeles. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1: I like it, but I like that line because it's like,
Speaker 1: how did Amy and Dann know that? And it just
Speaker 1: it can't be a coincidence. You know, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden he's in this Tony Dances in script and then
Speaker 1: look kind of like this is them a little bit,
Speaker 1: and it's the sight. It's just wild. That's why it is.
Speaker 1: All right, what's the So what do I give it?
Speaker 3: I give it, give it?
Speaker 1: What's the measure?
Speaker 3: Well, I can't decide if I want to give it
Speaker 3: fries krav Magaw or fake journeys in the words of
Speaker 3: I think Andy Cohen, journeys without a lead singer. Let's
Speaker 3: go with journeys without Steve Perry. Uh eight point seven?
Speaker 3: Eight point seven?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, So so I'll give it eight point five wedding dresses.
Speaker 6: Oh good boy, we're in the eights huh yeah, it's yeah, solid,
Speaker 6: but not my favorite. Yeah, yeah, I think I enjoyed
Speaker 6: it a little more.
Speaker 3: Y'all, and call it as you see it.
Speaker 1: I'm done, right, Do I have error not.
Speaker 3: Give us what you got? I?
Speaker 7: Uh well, uh, I don't want to part too much
Speaker 7: from my colleagues, but I enjoyed this very much.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it. Uh, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: it a nine point one eight seven. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: nine point one eight seven. Tony Danzel cap shoots good stuff,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Everybody don't know.
Speaker 3: Do we even know?
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm because we don't. Oh, thank you, Susan. Did you
Speaker 3: just do that? Produce her today? Because we don't have
Speaker 3: we don't have our normal team. Wait, Susanne, what is
Speaker 3: the next week?
Speaker 1: Episode twelve? Season six is entitled just.
Speaker 4: Like Gwen and Gavin?
Speaker 3: Oh and ouch ouch because we'll.
Speaker 6: Episode yeah, okay, all right, all right, anyway, have fun.
Speaker 3: At your convention, Scott. Maybe people have seen you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be uh, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: big shoe, big shoe. I love you guys, best fans
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