WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 071622 What is the Purpose of Police (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Civic Csicher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's job. I'm back with Ramses again. He calls me qwar.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick around. We got another interesting show for you and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to let you know about. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to talk about a video that was recently

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<v Speaker 1>released showing some more behind the scenes activities of the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting in Vallde, Texas, and it's important for us to

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<v Speaker 1>really talk about that. We've been I've certainly been wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the role of police in society, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna, you know, examine what the police did,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in this one instance, and then kind of

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<v Speaker 1>extrapolate and really derive some meaning from it. We of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we all accept that was a failure on their part,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that a lot of times people overestimate

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<v Speaker 1>the capability of police and assign police accolades that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>always warranted. And so I'm not trying to take anything

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<v Speaker 1>away from anybody, but I really think that it's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we need to be critical about who they are in

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<v Speaker 1>the role they plan society and who they help.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I might assigned some of that to

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<v Speaker 2>themselves that too public just blindly puts that on them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a jack that they choose to wear. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get to all of that. Also, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about black on black crime, or rather the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that black on black crime is not a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We've mentioned that on the show before, of course, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'd love for you to stick around as we make

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<v Speaker 1>the points so that you understand that it is, in

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<v Speaker 1>fact a white racist supprime, racist, white supremacist conservative narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>And then our way black history fact is the three

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<v Speaker 1>fifths compromise. If you don't know what that is, be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to stick around. We will let you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost, let's discuss some ebony excellence, shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we shall. Why don't you take this one too,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is about some sports people and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>my strong suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all know, Ramsys is the biggest sports fan in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>He's undercover about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the team with the with the winning touchdown ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we'll talk about that later. Abny Excellence Today brought

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<v Speaker 2>to you by Armadel Vodka via Sports Illustrated. Sandra Douglas

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan makes history as Raiders team president. The Raiders announced

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<v Speaker 2>the historic the historic hiring of Sandra Douglas Morgan to

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<v Speaker 2>Service Team President on Thursday, making her the first black

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<v Speaker 2>woman to assume this role in NFL history. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people may not remember, but the Raiders as an

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<v Speaker 2>organization are the first to do a lot with underrepresented

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<v Speaker 2>groups and minorities. So shata the late great Al Davis

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<v Speaker 2>and his son Mark for continuing to push that tradition forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always trying to make sure that we have seat

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<v Speaker 2>at the table, Morgan said during her opening statement. In

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<v Speaker 2>addition to her new job title, she both several professional

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<v Speaker 2>ties with both the organization and the city. Over the

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<v Speaker 2>last decade plus, Morgan has worked as director of External

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<v Speaker 2>Affairs for AT and T, a city attorney for North

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas, and litigation attorney for MGM International. Seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>woman in this space is one thing, Singing a black

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<v Speaker 2>woman in this space is something altogether bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. Black women are women winning right now as far

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<v Speaker 1>as sports.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that women are starting to make it

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<v Speaker 2>very very clear this is not them getting some type

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<v Speaker 2>of favor done for them. These are capable, brilliant, good

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<v Speaker 2>qualified women that are getting these jobs and really showing

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<v Speaker 2>us that this should have never been a thing in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place of it. So shout out to the

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<v Speaker 2>Oakland Raiders and shout out again to Sondra Douglas Morgan

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<v Speaker 2>from making history. Now, that was necessary. That pause was very,

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<v Speaker 2>very necessary. Okay, I'm going to say something.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like in the t's and the intro

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<v Speaker 1>for the show, you know, there's some there's a point

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be made. And then Q is going

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot more talking this time than I am.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to say something. If you think about

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<v Speaker 1>what is the purpose of police, you know, perhaps what

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<v Speaker 1>comes to mind is to protect people? Right, not not

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<v Speaker 1>crazy by saying that, right, most people would perhaps agree

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<v Speaker 1>with some variation of that, to protect people. And then

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<v Speaker 1>if you add, you know, dive a little deeper, ask

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<v Speaker 1>more questions, Well, why do people need to be protected?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you might find that the answer is so

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<v Speaker 1>people feel safe. Right, Because for most of us, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't live in a war torn country the United States

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<v Speaker 1>of America, and most of us have some mobility, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't encounter criminal activity on a regular basis. Statistically,

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<v Speaker 1>a very small amount of the population actually commits an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>But wouldn't Some people say that that's because of the

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<v Speaker 2>presence of police officer perhaps perhaps so, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't take that from anyone. But what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to establish is that people might deduce, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you dig deep enough, that police exist to make us

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<v Speaker 1>feel safe by and large right now. Granted, there's certainly

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<v Speaker 1>a they do have to fight crime and catch the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guys, taking to jail, that sort of stuff, But

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, police make us feel safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people would deduce that. Or do you think

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<v Speaker 2>it's the slogan on the side of their cars that

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<v Speaker 2>give that impression.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm asking for a friend. Listen, man, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong, but let me continue, go and continue. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a question that I think is really important before

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<v Speaker 1>we get into this topic, that we really need to discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are the people that need to feel safe in

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<v Speaker 1>order for this narrative to continue to bolster the reputation

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed the institution of policing in this country. Who

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<v Speaker 1>are these people that need to feel safe? Is that everyone?

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, does everyone feel safe by the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of police or is that some people and do only

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<v Speaker 1>some people feel a protected, insulated because of the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of police. Right. So I'm asking these questions not because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to feed you the answer, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>us to think critically about what it is that police

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<v Speaker 1>are supposed to be doing to create this reality for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of us. Yes, now, if you think that,

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<v Speaker 1>like me, that police are here to protect us or

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise make us feel protected, then it stands to reason

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<v Speaker 1>that the population, if the police are supposed to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the population of citizens, that the citizens would feel that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and it should be assigned to all the citizens fairly

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<v Speaker 1>and equally. I think that, you know, deductive reasoning would

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that not all citizens feel that way. Particularly the

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<v Speaker 1>more melanated you are, the less safe you feel in

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<v Speaker 1>interacting with police, and the more likely you are to

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<v Speaker 1>feel afraid of the police. I know that's certainly true

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I've never really interacted with police and felt

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<v Speaker 1>better about it. With that said, I do have some

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<v Speaker 1>friends who are police officers, and I met them as

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<v Speaker 1>police officers and we got to be cool because I

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<v Speaker 1>recognize there are human beings underneath those uniforms, and once

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<v Speaker 1>you get past all that cops, it's like if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>comes to you and they're like dressed like Satan, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. It's a costume and it freaks

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<v Speaker 1>me out a little bit, But eventually I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>could see there's a human in there. That's a weird comparison,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know not, it's not. It's you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>fear for their lives when you're interacting with the police,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not too weird right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Some are some would be less afraid of the person

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<v Speaker 2>in the Satan costume, and those would be people that

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<v Speaker 2>Satan does good work for. I'd argue there's some Christians

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<v Speaker 2>God Fair that look like you and I that would

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<v Speaker 2>feel less threatened by the person in the Satan costume

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<v Speaker 2>and by police.

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<v Speaker 1>Officers, So I think that that needs to be established.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is, again, if these police are heroes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're supposed to come out and catch the bad guys.

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<v Speaker 1>They're supposed to come out and save the day. They're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to make people feel safe, often displaying bravery, which

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<v Speaker 1>to me by definition is setting aside my own uh security,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and safety to protect someone else. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that that's bravery To me, it's it's not brave if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to you know, if I I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to get harmed by doing someone a favor, that's

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<v Speaker 1>called a favor. That's not bravery, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So bravery is like, you know, I'm not worried about

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<v Speaker 1>my own wellbeing. I just needed to protect these folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to understand that this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative that we've given to police, and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>always true, and that police are not always the good guys,

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<v Speaker 1>as we've seen time and again. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>to describe a video or I guess we can read.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have notes from USA today here, but you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen this video. I have not seen the video. Our producer,

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie b Noan has not seen the video. We have

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<v Speaker 1>school aged children, and it wasn't really wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>jump on that grenade. And you know, we do take

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<v Speaker 1>turns with these videos, and Q went first and we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to let him have that. So let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this most recent video that showed the behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>details of what happened in of All Day Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to read about the video, let's do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm going to tell you how it made

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<v Speaker 2>me feel for those who haven't watched it, for those

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<v Speaker 2>who don't want to watch it because they're just.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot to have these videos to watch so often.

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<v Speaker 2>We've said multiple times on the air, it sucks to

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<v Speaker 2>always have content for this type of show. Yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 2>never showed up to the studio like, hey, what we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about today? You want to try to

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<v Speaker 2>make something up? Or nothing in the world is great, man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's rainbows and unicorn would be awesome. I wish. However,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to pass up things because we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>enough time or enough show to talk about all these

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<v Speaker 2>types of instances. This comes from USA Today. The gunman

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<v Speaker 2>walks into rob elementary school unimpeded. Moments after spraying bullets

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<v Speaker 2>from his semi automatic rifle outside the school, and after

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<v Speaker 2>desperate calls to nine one one from inside and outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the school, he slows down to peek around the

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<v Speaker 2>corner in a hallway and flips back his hair before

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<v Speaker 2>proceeding towards classrooms one eleven and one twelve. Seconds later,

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<v Speaker 2>a boy with neatly combed hair and glasses exits a

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<v Speaker 2>bathroom to head back to his class. As he turns

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<v Speaker 2>the corner, he notices the gunman standing by the classroom

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<v Speaker 2>door and unloading a barrage. The boy turns and runs

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<v Speaker 2>back into the bathroom. The gunman enters one of the classrooms,

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<v Speaker 2>children scream, The gunfire continues, stops and then starts again,

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<v Speaker 2>stops and then starts again, and again and again. It

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<v Speaker 2>has almost three minutes before police officers arrive in the

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<v Speaker 2>hallway and rush toward the classrooms, crouching down, then a

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<v Speaker 2>burst of gunfire. One officer grabs the back of his head,

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<v Speaker 2>then quickly retreats to the end of the hallway below

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<v Speaker 2>a school surveillance camera. A seventy seven minute video recording

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<v Speaker 2>captured from this vantage point, along with body camera footage

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<v Speaker 2>from one of the responding officers, showed an excruciating detail

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<v Speaker 2>what happened when dozens of local, state, and federal officers

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<v Speaker 2>entered the school, heavily armed, clad in body armor, helmets,

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<v Speaker 2>and protective shields. In the video, officers walk back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth in the hallway, some leaving the frame then reappearing,

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<v Speaker 2>others training their weapons toward the classroom, talking making phone calls,

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<v Speaker 2>sending text messages, or looking at floor plans. No one

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<v Speaker 2>enters or attempts to enter the classrooms, even after hearing

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<v Speaker 2>at least four shots from classrooms. Forty five minutes after

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<v Speaker 2>the police arrived and waited, they asked for keys for

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<v Speaker 2>one of the classrooms. An investigators showed that this classroom

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<v Speaker 2>was already unlocked, so they never even tried to enter.

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<v Speaker 2>They brought tear gas and gas mask and carried a sledgehammer,

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<v Speaker 2>but still they waited. Officers rushed into the classroom and

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<v Speaker 2>killed the gunman an hour and fourteen minutes after they

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<v Speaker 2>arrived on the scene. Nineteen graders and their two teachers

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<v Speaker 2>died in the massacre on May twenty fourth, days before

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the school year. That's days before no

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<v Speaker 2>one would have even been in this building. The video

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<v Speaker 2>tells the brutal story of how heavily armed officers failed

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<v Speaker 2>to launch a cohesive and aggressive response to stop a

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<v Speaker 2>shooter and save more children if possible. It reinforces the

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<v Speaker 2>trauma for those parents, friends, and bystanders who were outside

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<v Speaker 2>the school and pleaded with the police to do something,

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<v Speaker 2>and for those survivors who quietly called nine to one

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<v Speaker 2>one from inside the classroom begging for help. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure the description can make you as sick as watching

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<v Speaker 2>the video does, but I hope that it at least

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<v Speaker 2>illustrates what had to feel like forever for those kids

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<v Speaker 2>and for their teachers as their heroes sat and observed

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<v Speaker 2>and listened and watched and cowered and ran and hid.

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<v Speaker 2>I very intentionally used the word coward because, by the

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<v Speaker 2>nature of signing up for that job, covering your own

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<v Speaker 2>backside and running and hiding should not be an option.

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<v Speaker 2>As you listen to children be murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>You can hear them screaming. In the video.

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<v Speaker 2>You can hear the children screaming, you can hear the gunshots.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are several versions of these videos that exist

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<v Speaker 2>where they had to digitally digitally remove the children screaming

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<v Speaker 2>because it was too traumatic for some people to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>These are our heroes. Ramses pose the question to serve

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<v Speaker 2>and protect who? And to our incredible producer, Maggie, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to have you do a favor for me whenever

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<v Speaker 2>you get some time. Does not have to be today,

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<v Speaker 2>but just look up a photograph of to serve and

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<v Speaker 2>protect on the side of those cars and see if

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<v Speaker 2>there's an ellipsis at the end of that, if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a period in a quotation, Mark or an ellipses, as

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<v Speaker 2>it's left to our imagination who they are there to

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<v Speaker 2>serve and protect, because one might argue the affluent, but

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<v Speaker 2>if the affluent look like Ramses, not so much. One

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<v Speaker 2>might argue the helpless, the children, the women, But we

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<v Speaker 2>have a seventy seven minute video that shows that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the case either. It would be strange to argue that

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<v Speaker 2>is to protect the shooters, who are somehow safely apprehended

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<v Speaker 2>in most of these cases, except when left with absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>no choice. It is incredible the amount of outrage that

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<v Speaker 2>you are met with when you say something as radical

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<v Speaker 2>as defund the police, even in the wake of our

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<v Speaker 2>children being murdered and those that murder them getting to safely,

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<v Speaker 2>securely and with the full stomach see their day in court.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the point that I thought we would end

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<v Speaker 1>up making. Obviously, the institution of policing was it was

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<v Speaker 1>designed to protect wealth, to protect you know, folks with

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<v Speaker 1>means and with resources from folks without right.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you can you be clear about the haves and

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<v Speaker 2>the have nots, and that historically speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>White people in this country and have not would have

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<v Speaker 1>been non white people in this country prior to that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there were no police, there wasn't policing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like a constable or a share for you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and then oftentimes that that person also was

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<v Speaker 1>the judge and the jailer and you know, all this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. But obviously we know that the term

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<v Speaker 1>patrol comes from slave patrols, where they would you know,

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<v Speaker 1>patrol slaves, and then the evolution of police and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stems from that. But I think that there's an

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<v Speaker 1>argument that I had never considered before. Like I know that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just be real, a lot of times it's white

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<v Speaker 1>folks of means that tend to get very chummy with

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<v Speaker 1>police officers, and that's okay, that's how it was designed

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<v Speaker 1>to be. So I'm not mad at I'm not mad

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<v Speaker 1>at anybody. I'm saying doesn't work for everybody. Right. What

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing now is that police, if we're asking who

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<v Speaker 1>do they serve and protect, I'm starting to see a

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<v Speaker 1>case being made for them serving and protecting themselves. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>your other. Here's what I mean, Here's what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>when I say that, and I'm telling you this, I

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<v Speaker 1>get it. Man. It sounds like I beat up on

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<v Speaker 1>the police, and it makes me sick to my stomach

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<v Speaker 1>to keep having this conversation. We have to have the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to be critical of these institutions so that

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<v Speaker 1>they get better. You have to be critical of this

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<v Speaker 1>institution of me and Q and Maggie so that we

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<v Speaker 1>get better. We get it. We're still sharp and steal here,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're doing our jobs. The reason I say that

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<v Speaker 1>is because I feel if police and policing was as

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<v Speaker 1>noble and as community oriented and as publicly serving as

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<v Speaker 1>it postures itself as it prefers its narrative to be

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<v Speaker 1>chronicled in these cities and in this country overall, if

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<v Speaker 1>in fact this institution was as honorable as it purports

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<v Speaker 1>itself to be, it would own its mistakes head high.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a mistake that we've made. This is what

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to do to do better, to do right.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to be better. We are the noble, brave, strong,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we are the heroes. Right. You can look

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<v Speaker 1>at another officer doing wrong, overstepping, you know, being you know,

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<v Speaker 1>brutalizing someone, or you know, whatever, whatever the case, you

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<v Speaker 1>can learn from officers elsewhere and decide I will not

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<v Speaker 1>allow that to happen in my city on my watch, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But what do we see is they just go to

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<v Speaker 1>defend each other. And I'll be honest, I've seen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of police officers be very critical of this response

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<v Speaker 1>in Valde, Texas. But I haven't seen as many police

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<v Speaker 1>officers be critical of Jalen Ohio, Jalen Walker Walker, Jalen

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<v Speaker 1>Walker right, shot sixty times, shot at ninety times, something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and he was unarmed at the time when

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<v Speaker 1>he was shot. I haven't seen any of these folks

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<v Speaker 1>take a step back to say, Okay, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>social conditions that create the fear that we experience as

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<v Speaker 1>officers against black and brown people? What have we been

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<v Speaker 1>taught that makes us assume the worst? What might we

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<v Speaker 1>be dealing with in terms of you know, people wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>call their own ailment to God complex, But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what is my place in society? Am I really here

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<v Speaker 1>to help? Or am I really here to bully people around?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I get mad when people don't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>what I say when I say it? You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>those like really be critical of themselves. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you start asking these really important nuts and bolts questions,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you start to get to the essence of

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<v Speaker 1>why a lot of us are very critical with police,

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<v Speaker 1>saying why we can look at this failure, abject failure

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas and say, listen, man, we didn't expect much,

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<v Speaker 1>but y'all really, well, who's calling these people heroes?

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<v Speaker 2>I think when he said fear, he meant hate. I

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<v Speaker 2>think when he said fear of black and brown people,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he meant hate for black and brown people.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I just mishear things.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you might not be wrong. I recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of white supremacists who you know, function

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<v Speaker 1>in that capacity, in the police officer capacity, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>also some people who just they don't they haven't come

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<v Speaker 1>to terms with the fact that they're afraid, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I try to be as generous as I can, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're just going to have to leave that one right there.