Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty four of The
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I'm Bet O'Brien in today. I am in Kona, Hawaii,
Speaker 1: at the home of legendary surfer and all around badass
Speaker 1: Shane Dorian. Shane's a great friend of mine, somebody I
Speaker 1: admired greatly for his the way he raises his kids,
Speaker 1: the way he lives his life, all the achievements he's
Speaker 1: had a long career and surfing and the things he
Speaker 1: still does today. But one of my favorite things about
Speaker 1: the guy is that he loves bow hunting and that's
Speaker 1: really all he thinks about. It's all he thinks about,
Speaker 1: and it's the most exciting thing in his life right
Speaker 1: now besides his wife and kids. And if he could
Speaker 1: hunt every day, I'm pretty sure this guy would and
Speaker 1: hopefully that comes through an episode number thirty four of
Speaker 1: the podcast. We were on Hawaii to run around, have
Speaker 1: a good time with our bows and tow and it
Speaker 1: was a memorable experience to be there with Shane. So
Speaker 1: without further ado, Shane Dorian. Hey, Shane Dorian, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: how you doing man? Hi? Ben O'Brien, how are you?
Speaker 1: We're doing a podcast, aren't we are. We've been talking
Speaker 1: about doing this podcast for like a long time to
Speaker 1: be bothering you really Like, You're like, I just want
Speaker 1: to hunt. I'm like, we gotta record us talking. I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess in truth, I've been avoiding doing this podcast
Speaker 1: for a pretty long time. Yeah, yeah, it's been I
Speaker 1: finally just like hunting. You down to do this, but
Speaker 1: you just like nowadays, you just like to go hunting, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not you don't want to be your
Speaker 1: own podcasts or be photographed or be made to do things.
Speaker 1: You just want to hunt. But if it means I
Speaker 1: get to go hunting, I will. Yeah, that's it sacrifice.
Speaker 1: And so how good of an idea was it for
Speaker 1: me to avoid doing this podcast until now because you
Speaker 1: had to come all the way to Hawaii. Come hang on.
Speaker 1: Hopefully none of my media or ink bosses are listening
Speaker 1: to this, but yes, podcasts take you places like this.
Speaker 1: So this is the first of a two part podcast
Speaker 1: that will be continued in two thous We're gonna actually
Speaker 1: just stop talking at some point to be continued so
Speaker 1: we can go back camp be under the stars. Like,
Speaker 1: so we're in Hawaii, we're on the big island and
Speaker 1: last night's moon, like where we were camping, the stars
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, like blew me away. Like Hawaii sometimes just
Speaker 1: shocks you, even though you know tourists coming here because
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, but still it shocks you. Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: about I think if you're not from Hawaii, I haven't
Speaker 1: spent time here. The mountains is not something that you
Speaker 1: really think of. And you know, when you think of Hawaii,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about how beautiful the mountains might be.
Speaker 1: But when you're up in the mountains camping with your
Speaker 1: buddies and fires go on and everyone's telling stories, drinking
Speaker 1: cold beers after hunting all day, it's doesn't get any
Speaker 1: better than now. Yeah, last night definitely was was that good.
Speaker 1: But now we're at the Dorian Residence, um and done
Speaker 1: hunting and uh, getting ready to fly back to Montana.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back. I'd like to stay here.
Speaker 1: How how how cold is it in Montana right now?
Speaker 1: It's got to be like twenty degrees it's probably Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like seventy two degrees here beautiful. Um. For those
Speaker 1: who don't know, Well, let's let's go back to when
Speaker 1: you were a young gram as you as you guys
Speaker 1: stay down here um surfing. I mean, most folks will
Speaker 1: know you as being a big wave surfer. Um. But
Speaker 1: you grew up doing you know, surfing, living in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: living that lifestyle. Give people a snapshot of what that
Speaker 1: was like what when you came up. I think pretty
Speaker 1: much nobody who listens to your podcast knows who the
Speaker 1: hell I am. So you know, who's like that guy
Speaker 1: that hunts with campaigns? Um. Yeah. My story is basically
Speaker 1: I was born and raised in a little town called
Speaker 1: Kona on the big Island of White and just um
Speaker 1: grew up in the seventies and grew up surfing. My
Speaker 1: family had a little restaurant down to the beach, and
Speaker 1: so I just grew up on the sand every day.
Speaker 1: I just you know, that's where I learned to walk
Speaker 1: and learn to swim and learn to body surf and
Speaker 1: learned to fish and learn to you know, go diving
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: grew up in the ocean and made all my friends
Speaker 1: to resurfing. And that's kind of what I did every summer,
Speaker 1: every every school break, um, after school. It's kind of
Speaker 1: consumed everything. Yeah, were there any when you're growing up,
Speaker 1: Were there like some you know, there's so much culture here,
Speaker 1: there's so many shared ideas just the way it happens
Speaker 1: in this part of the world. Looking back on your childhood,
Speaker 1: were there anything that any philosophies are just ways of
Speaker 1: life that made you who you are today, are even
Speaker 1: big shared ideas? I think I don't know. Um, probably
Speaker 1: being really respectful at a really young age is like
Speaker 1: integral and kind of mandatory in Hawaii. Like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, we have a you know, this dynamic between
Speaker 1: the the like local Hawaiian people who have been here
Speaker 1: for you know, hundreds of years and had a totally
Speaker 1: um undisturbed lifestyle for a very long time before you know, uh,
Speaker 1: white people whatever you wanna call them, got here and
Speaker 1: basically changed everything. And so there's still this dynamic that
Speaker 1: is there. Um. And so I think it's just the
Speaker 1: vibe in Hawaii is really awesome, and it's really great
Speaker 1: and I but I think you just kind of learned
Speaker 1: to really respect everybody and and show people respect in
Speaker 1: Hawaii's kind of If you don't do that, you like
Speaker 1: learn pretty quickly that this is not the place for you.
Speaker 1: So Um, that's definitely something I think that that is
Speaker 1: a that is I think no matter where you visit
Speaker 1: in Hawaii, that's that's something that um. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to explain that really in any other way. It
Speaker 1: um and it's not I'm I'm sure it's like that
Speaker 1: everywhere in the world, but definitely in Hawaii. It it
Speaker 1: really stands out a lot. Yeah, I mean that's growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, being in school and being around um, you know,
Speaker 1: just a lot of people and this and now it
Speaker 1: definitely stands out. Yeah. I mean, there's just certain places
Speaker 1: in the world where you know, like a Hollywood producer
Speaker 1: would come be like, I can make a show out
Speaker 1: of that because there's connective tissue things that happen here
Speaker 1: that just don't happen in other places. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of TV shows based in Louisiana around the
Speaker 1: Cajun culture. What that means this is the Hawaiian culture
Speaker 1: is is similarly interesting to me because there's just a
Speaker 1: lot of things that go on here that don't in
Speaker 1: other places. You know, I'm sure it's you can tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but there's you know, food and
Speaker 1: family and you know, everybody's an uncle everybody you know
Speaker 1: that culture is is powerful. Yeah. To me, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I feel like, um, in the US, the two states
Speaker 1: that are more like their own countries are Hawaiian Texas.
Speaker 1: You know, not that I visited all everywhere in the US,
Speaker 1: but tech this really kind of stands out as having
Speaker 1: its own culture, having things that are really like unique
Speaker 1: to Texas. And I feel like Hawaii is kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing. If you come to Hawaii, it's almost
Speaker 1: you feel like you went out of the country. It's
Speaker 1: totally different, different culture, different kind of people, different kind
Speaker 1: of food, different kind of way of life. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just um. Yeah, but I like it a lot,
Speaker 1: like the slow pace of life. And I've traveled a
Speaker 1: lot in my life, and Hawaii has always been the
Speaker 1: place I always wanted to come home to and happy
Speaker 1: to be born and raised here. Yeah. I mean in
Speaker 1: your late teens and you start you surf throughout your childhood,
Speaker 1: but then your late teens, uh, things started to get serious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I got really into the surfing thing and got
Speaker 1: pretty good at it. So I started doing a lot
Speaker 1: of like amateur competitions, and then I ended up wanting
Speaker 1: to pursue it as a whatever you want to call that,
Speaker 1: um as a job, I guess. And so I moved
Speaker 1: over to a law who by myself and went to
Speaker 1: high school there kind of put myself. UM. I'd work
Speaker 1: in the summers here at home on the Big Island,
Speaker 1: and then I would save about my money and I
Speaker 1: shipped my car over to Oahu which each year and
Speaker 1: stay there to serve big waves and you know, train
Speaker 1: and and uh compete against all the best kids. And
Speaker 1: then I uh graduated to high school and UH kind
Speaker 1: of chased my dream to become a pro server, which
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, I basically traveled around the world
Speaker 1: for about fifteen years competing full time. And you had
Speaker 1: you're telling me about a documentary that's coming out on
Speaker 1: HBO that kind of chronicles that time. You know, that
Speaker 1: time in your life and the friends you came up
Speaker 1: with and the filmmakers you worked with, Like there's some
Speaker 1: revolutionary ship going on there. Yeah, it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: a it's a funny story that I we never really
Speaker 1: thought would be told, um in this way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: moment it's called a momentum Generation and it's a documentary
Speaker 1: film that's being uh put out a HBO and it's
Speaker 1: really good. Actually, it's great. It kind of chronicles a
Speaker 1: time I'm that was setting like the late nineties, early
Speaker 1: two thousand's actually like mid nineties, early two thousands, where
Speaker 1: our group of friends were all the same age and
Speaker 1: really good at surfing. We're all kind of coming up, uh,
Speaker 1: a few of us from Hawaii, a few of us
Speaker 1: from California, a couple from Florida. And then we all
Speaker 1: basically became friends because we were all pursuing the same
Speaker 1: dream and a lot of us came kind of like
Speaker 1: from broken homes and kind of crazy families, and then
Speaker 1: so being on the road, like our friends are sort
Speaker 1: of our friendship became our family. And so we traveled
Speaker 1: together and hung out together and lived together for like
Speaker 1: ten years, and it kind of tells that story. It's
Speaker 1: pretty cool, pretty cool, Yeah, transformative for you. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I can't begin to ask you. I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a million stories you could tell about that time, like
Speaker 1: how many countries did you surfing? How many places did
Speaker 1: you go? How many nights did you spend in hotels
Speaker 1: or hostiles or wherever the hell you stay? We would
Speaker 1: basically there was a group of us that were kind
Speaker 1: of like between eight and eight and twelve people, and
Speaker 1: we would go to like a European leg of the
Speaker 1: tour where we'd serve in um France, Spain, and Portugal
Speaker 1: and do like two events in each country or three
Speaker 1: events in each country, and so we'd be there for
Speaker 1: like two like two and a half months of the year,
Speaker 1: and we'd go and we'd rent a couple of houses
Speaker 1: and rent a few rent of cars, and so they
Speaker 1: be like six of us in each rount of car
Speaker 1: with like a with like giant board bags, Like each
Speaker 1: one of us would have like six or eight boards
Speaker 1: in a big board bag on top of the car.
Speaker 1: And this is back in the day when there's no phones,
Speaker 1: like you'd literally have like a like a map, like
Speaker 1: a rental car map, and be like driving from Spain
Speaker 1: to Portugal or to France, and we're just a bunch
Speaker 1: little kids, like you know, nineteen twenty years old. We'd
Speaker 1: get there and the place we thought we had we
Speaker 1: didn't have, so we'd end up like sleeping on the
Speaker 1: beach and our board bags and freezing to death, and
Speaker 1: then we'd have to surf and contest the next day.
Speaker 1: But we kind of just like grew up on airplanes
Speaker 1: and grew up traveling by ourselves with no parental supervision
Speaker 1: and no one telling us to, you know, go to
Speaker 1: sleep early, no one telling us to prepare for the contest,
Speaker 1: no one, no one telling us to not chase girls,
Speaker 1: no one, you know, And it was so it was
Speaker 1: it was a really fun time to be that age
Speaker 1: and a really amazing way to grow up, for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean would you uh, how would you categorize that
Speaker 1: reckless living? Or did was it just was it calculated
Speaker 1: like we're driven, I want to win, I'm here to win,
Speaker 1: or was it more just like I'm having a good
Speaker 1: time rolling my boys, doing my thing. It was more
Speaker 1: of the ladder for me. I mean there, that's that's
Speaker 1: what's interesting about the story. And if if anybody wants
Speaker 1: to to see the film, um, it will be on
Speaker 1: HBO really soon here, uh, depending on when people listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast, but um, like no, I think it's
Speaker 1: like November eleven on HBO two thousand eighteen. It'll be
Speaker 1: out there for everybody to see on HBO. So um
Speaker 1: so yeah, like for for for me and a few
Speaker 1: of the guys, we were more casual. I was trying
Speaker 1: really hard to to win, and I was competing and
Speaker 1: trying to compete for a world title, and and for
Speaker 1: a few years, and I definitely got really serious. But
Speaker 1: there was a couple of us that became extremely serious
Speaker 1: like pursuing those goals and pursuing the world title year
Speaker 1: after year. And it really took its toll personally on
Speaker 1: on for those couple of people, and then it also
Speaker 1: took a toll on our friendship just in general. Um,
Speaker 1: And so that that's a really um there's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of parts of that story that are really interesting.
Speaker 1: And but our our collective group is still super super
Speaker 1: tight now that we're kind of like most of us
Speaker 1: are retired from full time competition. There's only one of us, um,
Speaker 1: Kelly Slater, that is doing his last full year right
Speaker 1: now of competition. So so yeah, we're we're still a
Speaker 1: very tight knit group of friends that um, we're all
Speaker 1: most of us are all in our forties now. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we can kind of like look back on the on
Speaker 1: that time of growing up and just go, what the
Speaker 1: hell house, how do we get so lucky? You know,
Speaker 1: because that was a wild way to grow up, in
Speaker 1: a wild way to be you know, eighteen years old
Speaker 1: and I was a two younger around a car and
Speaker 1: I was traveling, you know, like eight percent of the
Speaker 1: time out of the country. Yeah, there's nuts and he
Speaker 1: never like I find with things like that, you just
Speaker 1: didn't plan. That was just what you did to surf, like,
Speaker 1: you just did it to serve man. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was like, what what job can I do to where
Speaker 1: I can surf as much as possible and see the
Speaker 1: most of the world and surf the most waves and
Speaker 1: welcome to everybody in the hunting industry, Like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: job can I do so you can hunt the most
Speaker 1: the world? Shoot my bow? That's right with my buds.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of parallels, right, Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: lot of parallels. Because if there was, if there was
Speaker 1: a hunting World Tour, goddamn right, I'd be on it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd I'd make you come with me. We'll roll around.
Speaker 1: That's the goals. Someday we're on you know, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be on the bow Hunting World Tour. We'll just make
Speaker 1: it up in our minds. Yeah, we'll just say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going on the world Tour hunting. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in a couple of months. Everyone's like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about. That's the world tour. It's the World's very costly.
Speaker 1: We're poor. But yeah, you were telling me, like most
Speaker 1: surfers even today are poor, Like, oh yeah, even the
Speaker 1: pro surfers, I know, we're talking about that. It's like, um,
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of people that are really chasing
Speaker 1: the dream and they just doing it just because they
Speaker 1: love the lifestyle and want to travel and see the world,
Speaker 1: and and that's their dreams to is to you know,
Speaker 1: surf full time. So it's it's it's definitely a grind,
Speaker 1: it definitely. You know, from the outside it looks really
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: upside there, but if you do it for a living,
Speaker 1: it's it's like everything has it's good parts and it's
Speaker 1: bad parts, but it's I've been really lucky. I've been
Speaker 1: doing it for a very long time. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and what you do is dangerous. It's not. For those
Speaker 1: who aren't initiated to what exactly Shane is talking about.
Speaker 1: You have to go just search Shane Doran Jaws or
Speaker 1: really just Shane Door. Yeah, Shane Jourdan surfing and watch
Speaker 1: the videos of this this man going down a wall
Speaker 1: of water how many stories high? I think sixty ft
Speaker 1: or something sixty ft high? Uh, and surfing along it
Speaker 1: like it's nothing, and doing that day after day and
Speaker 1: those types of scenarios or or year after year. Like,
Speaker 1: did you describe to people kind of what it is
Speaker 1: to or undertake something like that? I mean, it's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean I I So I competed full time
Speaker 1: for like eleven or twelve years or like fifteen years really,
Speaker 1: but like anyway, um, and then I got really burnt
Speaker 1: out come competition. Then I I decided to stop competing.
Speaker 1: So I decided to stop competing and pursue big wave surfing.
Speaker 1: So I always always always super passionate about chasing big
Speaker 1: swells around, and I never really had the time when
Speaker 1: I was competing full time. So I ended up putting
Speaker 1: a lot of time and effort into chasing giant waves
Speaker 1: as soon as I was done competing, and that became
Speaker 1: my my focus and my that's what I was just
Speaker 1: like super motivated to do. And so I train year
Speaker 1: round and get really physically and mentally, um psychologically fit
Speaker 1: for surfing the kind of waves that no one wants
Speaker 1: to surf, and um, yeah, I love I love it,
Speaker 1: I still do it. Yeah, you were saying that in
Speaker 1: the in the ride up here today that um, it's
Speaker 1: not up there's physical part of what you do on
Speaker 1: the big wave side, but it's mental. It's like what's
Speaker 1: that what's that look like in your mind? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean as far as like I mean, like we're talking
Speaker 1: about the kind of waves that a lot of people
Speaker 1: have drowned in. I've I've lost like a lot of
Speaker 1: friends who have died surfing big waves, and and in
Speaker 1: those kind of conditions, it's like, you know, you might
Speaker 1: you might wait six months for one of those swells
Speaker 1: or a year for one of those swells, and on
Speaker 1: that day when the when the waves are giant, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's how call that Mother Nature makes.
Speaker 1: That's not something that you're like, Okay in May, in
Speaker 1: the second week of May, the waves is gonna be giant.
Speaker 1: You just have to be like totally prepared all the time.
Speaker 1: And that's that's really different about surfing is if you
Speaker 1: have a call for you have a cold, or you
Speaker 1: have a sore ankle or whatever, doesn't matter the waves
Speaker 1: You're still gonna be sixty ft that day in the
Speaker 1: best day and year. So just one of those things.
Speaker 1: You got to be continuously prepared for that. And that's
Speaker 1: what's really unique about surfing giant waves, and so from
Speaker 1: a mental perspective, it's a lot of like being prepared training,
Speaker 1: making sure you have all the right equipment, making sure
Speaker 1: your boards and you're all your gears all dialed, and
Speaker 1: that you're physically and mentally fit all the time. Rain.
Speaker 1: That rain, that's good. Yeah, that's rights just started raining.
Speaker 1: We're wondering what that noise was. It was like, it's
Speaker 1: weird in the headphones. I couldn't really tell what that was.
Speaker 1: It was the rain. Okay, makes it calm. Voice is
Speaker 1: gonna come. Yes, it's raining for those who are listening. Um,
Speaker 1: but I can't see where we are. It's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: Here is your house. Yeah, man, I'm just going up here,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't I can't imagine Shane Dorian
Speaker 1: like not living on the like living on the beach. Right,
Speaker 1: I got it here. I'm like, this is better. Like
Speaker 1: you have a view of the ocean. It's not like
Speaker 1: an ocean view, but you can see the ocean. But
Speaker 1: there's all this native forest around here. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a legit jungle. I mean, this is that's what you
Speaker 1: how I would describe it. I mean it's beautiful four
Speaker 1: thousand feet elevation and in the in the rain for
Speaker 1: in a you know, like a native rainforest and wild
Speaker 1: boars running around and you can just jump off the
Speaker 1: deck with your bow and then go run around. Yeah. Man,
Speaker 1: I every time I come to Hawaii, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've never vacation in Hawaii. I don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like to go to Hawaiian resort and like drink my
Speaker 1: ties and I don't know what that's like. I've only
Speaker 1: ever hunted here. I've only ever hunting. Every time I
Speaker 1: hunt here, I think like this place is badass. I
Speaker 1: don't want to tell, you know, I don't really want
Speaker 1: to tell many people. Luckily not a lot of people
Speaker 1: listen to this. But it's just like a I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's It's New Zealands a little bit like
Speaker 1: this too. It's just like the way these islands function,
Speaker 1: the different animals that differently, just the different feeling when
Speaker 1: you come here. It's hard to describe, but you know
Speaker 1: it well. I mean it's just you know, you've hunted around.
Speaker 1: I've hunted around. I would say that the hunting here
Speaker 1: on the Big Island and and here on Lanai or
Speaker 1: wherever is as unique as again. It's like just it's
Speaker 1: a different We have our North American Madela Conservation, but
Speaker 1: this one is this is not that. Um no, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, it's definitely a lot different than there,
Speaker 1: than your mainline sort of set up. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that. I want to get through that.
Speaker 1: We'll get through the surfing park because we have to.
Speaker 1: Then we'll get to the hunting part because we want to. Um,
Speaker 1: but where were we with your surfing? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the mental state of riding a sixt wave and
Speaker 1: not dying or you know, putting yourself in that like
Speaker 1: immense danger willingly. Yeah, I mean that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's just like being on your game is no different
Speaker 1: from like being this is gonna sound cheesy, but like
Speaker 1: being like doing any super dangerous job like being a
Speaker 1: race car driver or whatever. It's just like you have
Speaker 1: to be committed and um, in that moment you can
Speaker 1: have no hesitation and no, there's no like aspect of
Speaker 1: your mindset that's like, oh, maybe this is a bad idea.
Speaker 1: You have to be like fun, Yeah, I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and it's and no matter what happens, no matter what
Speaker 1: the outcome is, I'm this is happening right now, and
Speaker 1: so it's cool. It's kind of like liberating in a
Speaker 1: way to like leave a lot up to Mother Nature
Speaker 1: and the the whatever is happening in the universe at
Speaker 1: that time, and just being out there in the ocean
Speaker 1: on the biggest well of the year and being like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and bring my experience and
Speaker 1: my skill and um and see if I have what
Speaker 1: it takes to make it all happen. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's We were talking again on the way over here
Speaker 1: at some point during a trip about a little bit
Speaker 1: about how the pressures of hunting and you know, the
Speaker 1: position you put yourself in to get to get it done,
Speaker 1: to work hard and get something done in the wild
Speaker 1: places we go to do all that changes you in
Speaker 1: a little bit, like it, you know, changes your perspective
Speaker 1: on life. So the way that, yeah, you're more pragmatic,
Speaker 1: you're a little bit your anxiety is a little bit
Speaker 1: less because you know that wild places out there and
Speaker 1: you can disconnect and you can have that is there's
Speaker 1: something and surfing when you know that you're going out
Speaker 1: there to chase that danger or to put yourself in
Speaker 1: that position, does that change the way you live your life?
Speaker 1: That change your mental acuity or like how you see
Speaker 1: the world around you when you come back society. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean it's it's uh, there's no way
Speaker 1: to talk about it without sound sounding kind of cheeseball,
Speaker 1: but um, the extreme intensity of the situations you put
Speaker 1: yourself in with really giant waves and is our ore
Speaker 1: are are those experience are so extreme you feel like
Speaker 1: you're like really really pushing it as a as you're
Speaker 1: as a human, Like you're at the edge of like
Speaker 1: where you should be, the way past your comfort level. Um,
Speaker 1: And sometimes you get yourself in a position where you'd
Speaker 1: never intended to, you know. So you know, when that
Speaker 1: day is over and the swell goes away and you
Speaker 1: get back home, everything just seems so relaxed and the
Speaker 1: stress level is solo and there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: You're not going to die in the ocean today and
Speaker 1: you know that. And and for me, I have a
Speaker 1: I have, you know, two kids and a wife at home,
Speaker 1: and I got a lot to lose. And I don't
Speaker 1: serve big waves because it's yeah, I can get really
Speaker 1: close to dying. That's not what I'm doing it. I
Speaker 1: love surfing big waves. I love the challenge, and I
Speaker 1: love I love the camaraderie with the guys who choose
Speaker 1: to serve big waves. Um, I have great friendships and
Speaker 1: I just love it. I dig it, and so like.
Speaker 1: The danger aspect is not why I do it. Part
Speaker 1: of the dangerous aspect is part of probably why it's
Speaker 1: so exciting. But I love the excitement and on the
Speaker 1: challenge for sure, and just trying to I think the
Speaker 1: thing I like about it most is like the the
Speaker 1: mental test, the mental test of in that moment, can
Speaker 1: you keep your ship together? Can you keep can you
Speaker 1: maintain that focus and and and really rely on all
Speaker 1: the millions of experiences you've had in the past to
Speaker 1: bring yourself to this one moment where it's all on
Speaker 1: the line. I dig that, and I think that's super
Speaker 1: super similar to why I'm so drawn to bow hunting.
Speaker 1: I feel like that that's same. I've never felt anything
Speaker 1: like that with life any other experience, any other sport,
Speaker 1: an other anything where I feel like they line up
Speaker 1: almost identical to feel the feeling the emotions that I
Speaker 1: get when I'm bow hunting, because servings like that, it's
Speaker 1: like tranquil and cool and hanging out your buddies and
Speaker 1: everyone's everything's awesome, and you love it and you do
Speaker 1: it for the experience, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these really intense, like climax moments where it's all on
Speaker 1: the line and it's really really high stress situation where
Speaker 1: you have to keep your cool, and I feel like
Speaker 1: bo hunting is the same way, and it really like
Speaker 1: this week, this last couple of days hunting really like
Speaker 1: codified it in my mind that that all those things
Speaker 1: are so similar that you all there's such good around
Speaker 1: the moment, that critical moment where you have to let
Speaker 1: that arrow fly and do it in such a way
Speaker 1: that is you kills the animal and kills it humanely
Speaker 1: and you do your job because it matters, like it
Speaker 1: matters in that in that sense of word. But everything
Speaker 1: is surrounding is awesome. Like we were leaving your house
Speaker 1: to drive out the camp, we were kind of like giddy,
Speaker 1: little like let's go man my bows on. Oh shit,
Speaker 1: Like it's shooting good, shooting good. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: great time. Man, we're gonna go. We're going, We're going,
Speaker 1: We're going. And we got there. We're like we're here,
Speaker 1: We're sucking here. And then we're like little kids, yeah,
Speaker 1: walking around on the rain. Go We're doing it, man,
Speaker 1: we got rain the best. It is so good. And
Speaker 1: then and then like all that kind of goes away
Speaker 1: in a moment where you are now it's just you
Speaker 1: and the animal. There's nothing I can do to help.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that you can do to help me. There
Speaker 1: is no way that that anyone could could sit beside
Speaker 1: you in that moment and tell you what to do, Like,
Speaker 1: you have to do it yourself. And I think I
Speaker 1: guess the different thing about your surfing and hunting is
Speaker 1: usually in hunting no one is watching. Yeah, Like you
Speaker 1: internalize the pressure and you put it on yourself because
Speaker 1: you know that you owe it the animal. You know
Speaker 1: you've worked hard for this, but it's all internalized. There's
Speaker 1: no I've said this on the podcast before, like Jim
Speaker 1: Nance isn't over there going and Shane Dorian steps up,
Speaker 1: draws his bow and imagine if that was what was
Speaker 1: really going on, and then that was happening in live,
Speaker 1: you would completely change what you were doing. But honey
Speaker 1: is an internal there's an internal mechanism that you apply
Speaker 1: pressure to yourself because you know how important it is
Speaker 1: to kill that thing for any reason. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: in the moment of truth. For me with surfing, if
Speaker 1: I screw up, everybody sees it. In the moment of truth.
Speaker 1: If I'm bow hunting, if I screw up, nobody sees it.
Speaker 1: That's my bad And that's my bad arrow that went
Speaker 1: flying into the animal in the wrong spot in the animal.
Speaker 1: That's that's me who wounded the animal. And I have
Speaker 1: to live with that. But I don't have to tell
Speaker 1: anybody about that. No, I didn't shooting arrows today. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any I mean, while there's some elk like
Speaker 1: limping over there, you know, it's like, so I think
Speaker 1: those are those things like in bow hunting, that are
Speaker 1: that that are really unique to bow hunting. It's like
Speaker 1: in those moments, there's there's a lot I think um
Speaker 1: and I think that's part of the job bon hunting too,
Speaker 1: because you have to make make those decisions and make
Speaker 1: those choices all by yourself, and then you gotta come back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta come back and report to the world. However
Speaker 1: you do that, whether it's just your buddies in camp
Speaker 1: or you're sharing it with social media or whatever. There's
Speaker 1: this this man, there's this that you could just be virtuous, right,
Speaker 1: you could just tell the story that makes you look
Speaker 1: the best or makes hunting look the best, or you
Speaker 1: can tell the true story, which is this ship is messy.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you screw up. Sometimes you feel like you're
Speaker 1: the best bow hunter in the world, and then the
Speaker 1: next day you feel like the worst. And I don't
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Even the best bow
Speaker 1: hunters make big mistakes, telling you like, we've both hunted
Speaker 1: with some of the best in the world, and there's
Speaker 1: mistakes made, and there's animals wounded or there's animals that
Speaker 1: take four. That just happens to everyone, and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to you, please call in. Yeah, let us
Speaker 1: know your secrets. I know there is no call in line,
Speaker 1: but calling anyway, calling anyway, but that I just think
Speaker 1: it always says one thing and having these podcast conversations
Speaker 1: that I've realized is exactly that like hunting is internal
Speaker 1: to you, Like you have the ability to shape your
Speaker 1: your the way you function in the woods, the way
Speaker 1: you think about animals, all those things and share that
Speaker 1: with the world. But when it comes down to making
Speaker 1: that shot, it's you. Yeah, well and you can come back,
Speaker 1: you know, you can come back to camp with your
Speaker 1: bow and just say no, I didn't get a shot,
Speaker 1: even though you wounded an animal. But it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if you tell the truth to your friends or your
Speaker 1: buddies or not. You gotta live with that truth. I
Speaker 1: mean you, like, you can't lie to yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: I I've I've funked it up on a shot before
Speaker 1: and couldn't sleep at night thinking about that animal. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's just something that as a bow hunter you
Speaker 1: need to own up to you and deal with and
Speaker 1: do the best you can do, you know. But like, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's born a perfect bon hunter either to
Speaker 1: become a good bon hunter. Yeah, and you've you've experienced that,
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't. You're one of the growing number
Speaker 1: of people that took on hunting later in life, you know,
Speaker 1: I would say, and you went through you went through
Speaker 1: a lot of what I went through as a kid
Speaker 1: in your thirties on your own. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people, whether you know it or not, but I do,
Speaker 1: just from people that right in and talk to me
Speaker 1: about this podcast and and just any other thing. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are listening to um. You know,
Speaker 1: our mutual friends like Dudley and Remy and Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: and going and wanting to go hunting and picking it
Speaker 1: up on their thirty five and have three kids and
Speaker 1: need someone to tell them how to do it or
Speaker 1: what to do or how to think. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, you just shot the deer. We didn't think
Speaker 1: we canna talk about the philosophies or round it or
Speaker 1: ideologies or why it was important to the natural world
Speaker 1: or any of that. Ship. We just shot the deer
Speaker 1: and had fun doing it and never questioned it. And
Speaker 1: then here you are. You're in your you know, your thirties,
Speaker 1: you pick up a bow. Now you have the ability,
Speaker 1: you're an adult, you have kids by then yeah, probably
Speaker 1: is right, is right? I started bow hunting right before
Speaker 1: my wife got pretty with my son, my first kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're you know, you're married, you're having starting a family,
Speaker 1: and here you are, you know, doing a lot of
Speaker 1: big things in the world, and you're probably more equipped
Speaker 1: to take up hunting, right Is that just too yeah
Speaker 1: more mature? Yeah. Um, describe your like your first how
Speaker 1: you got your first bow, and how you got started,
Speaker 1: because it's a pretty good, pretty good story. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: for me, I've haven't really ever known anything except for
Speaker 1: surfing really, and um, you know, I always always like
Speaker 1: grew up at the beach, and my work was at
Speaker 1: the beach in the ocean. Um, so I was always
Speaker 1: like traveling to places that was it's always the beach, right,
Speaker 1: And so I always fantasized about living up on the
Speaker 1: mountain like where I live, where it wasn't hot, where
Speaker 1: the ocean wasn't right across the street, where the surfing
Speaker 1: wasn't like a one minute walk. So you know, I
Speaker 1: I ended up getting some property in building a house
Speaker 1: way up with the mountains at four thousand feet. And um,
Speaker 1: as soon as I started living here, Um, everything I
Speaker 1: would plant would get dug up by wild boars. You know.
Speaker 1: I mean there's just wild boars everywhere, and so they
Speaker 1: would just just destroy everything. And so my buddy gave
Speaker 1: me a gun and said, if you shoot a couple,
Speaker 1: they'll scram and probably not come back for a while.
Speaker 1: And so I shot two one or yeah two, and
Speaker 1: immediately realized that I'm not a gun person. Um, so
Speaker 1: I gave the gun back to my buddy. Um. I
Speaker 1: have nothing against guns, but I just knew they weren't
Speaker 1: for me. Just the the noise and the vibe. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just wasn't my thing. And so my
Speaker 1: neighbor was a bow hunter, and I became friends with him.
Speaker 1: So I'd go over there and uh a couple of
Speaker 1: beers in the afternoon and shoot arrows. And so when
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good grouping, he took me bow hunting.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of trees stands on his property,
Speaker 1: and the huge boar came in at night and I
Speaker 1: sucked everything up. I tried to put an arrow on
Speaker 1: and then I and then I drew back and my
Speaker 1: arrow went flying off the rest and ding ding ding
Speaker 1: made the noise and the ball pigs went went bolting
Speaker 1: into the forest. But I was hooked. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so hard. I just screwed everything up. The
Speaker 1: animals right there, they had no idea. Just everything came
Speaker 1: together and and the next day I went and bought
Speaker 1: I used Matthews. The next day I was like, this
Speaker 1: is it. I want to become a bow hunter. And
Speaker 1: you said you bought it from the Hawaiian Ted Nugent.
Speaker 1: I bought it from this this guy who lives down
Speaker 1: the chief of my house. It sells archery gear out
Speaker 1: of his house, out of his like spare bedroom. Um
Speaker 1: because at the time there was no archery shop. So
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of used bows and literally used
Speaker 1: broad heads, used broad his and so new ones too.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I would go and get like
Speaker 1: hundred grain muzzies and used grain and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're all shoots the same, it's all good and um.
Speaker 1: So I just grew up. I I just my whole
Speaker 1: start to bow hunting. I had no mentor of really like, hey,
Speaker 1: get this bow, Here's the kind of arrows you want
Speaker 1: to shoot, Here's how you want to stand here, here's
Speaker 1: how you do it, here's the here's like the cheat
Speaker 1: sheets you know here, here's here, here's the cliffs notes
Speaker 1: to everything you need to know. I kind of did
Speaker 1: every like bad move in the book, like um, and
Speaker 1: then I realized a really really good older for a
Speaker 1: really good friend of mine who's about ten years older
Speaker 1: than I am. Um. I ended up going hunting with him,
Speaker 1: starting to hunt rams up in the mountains, and he
Speaker 1: was just a really accomplished bow hunter. He had been
Speaker 1: bow hunting. He's in his fifties at the time, and
Speaker 1: he'd been bow hunting since he was like eight years old,
Speaker 1: seven years old, and bow hunting the whole time consistently. Him,
Speaker 1: his brother's uncle's grandpa, everybody bow hunters. So he took
Speaker 1: me under his wing and taught me a ton and
Speaker 1: then I started hunting like every week. I'd hunt like
Speaker 1: one or two days a week every week for like
Speaker 1: maybe five years. So I was getting hundreds of days
Speaker 1: in the field and that's just here. And I was
Speaker 1: starting to go to Maui Molokai lan I, and so
Speaker 1: I was getting like, you know, I was hunting like
Speaker 1: a hundred days of year some years or maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit less than that, but a lot. And in
Speaker 1: a weird why there's no bag limit. I mean, you
Speaker 1: bet I have a full quiver. If you go up,
Speaker 1: you know I had hunt if you you know there's
Speaker 1: a lot, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of hunts. You
Speaker 1: come back with one arrow or no arrows um and
Speaker 1: so yeah, so I went from like zero to one
Speaker 1: real quick. Well, yeah, I mean, that's that's how you
Speaker 1: live your life. It makes sense. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I felt like I found it late and I
Speaker 1: wanted to make up for lost time, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, I love this so much.
Speaker 1: I'm pissed that I didn't find it earlier. I was
Speaker 1: actually angry that I didn't find that I didn't have
Speaker 1: a dad who hunted, that that I grew up and
Speaker 1: had those memories of like being in the mountains of
Speaker 1: my old man. I was so jealous of friends like that,
Speaker 1: and I grew up with a bow in their hand.
Speaker 1: So I was like, ship, I'm gonna make the most
Speaker 1: of it. I'm thirty, all my thirties, all my fourties,
Speaker 1: all my fifties, all my sixties, all my seventies are
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting to this day, Like dude, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to retire. And oh yeah, that's I mean. Literally, it's scary.
Speaker 1: If you if you knew how much I thought about bohunting,
Speaker 1: you'd be scared. No, I wouldn't be scared at all.
Speaker 1: I would be happy. But yeah, I mean it comes
Speaker 1: down to you know that it's interesting to me. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get my thoughts together around like the conversation
Speaker 1: of your started hunting. But it's interesting me that you
Speaker 1: you take on surfing from a young age, and would
Speaker 1: you say, like you you know, you went hard and
Speaker 1: maxed out? That is that true? Like the right way
Speaker 1: to say that you went hardest ship for a long time,
Speaker 1: became the best of the best, and then like now
Speaker 1: you here you are relatively at a young age, kind
Speaker 1: of winding down that portion of your life and winding out.
Speaker 1: You're hunting probably on the more like the um the
Speaker 1: professional end of the surfing part. I'm still totally obsessed
Speaker 1: and in love with surfing. I love going surfing still
Speaker 1: after forty years. I literally like when the waves are
Speaker 1: good and I'll go surfing with my kid and surfer
Speaker 1: hours and now the best time ever. I love it.
Speaker 1: I choose to go surfing, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: do it because I get paid to go surfing. I
Speaker 1: dig it, And even when and even when it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with work for me at all, I'm
Speaker 1: going to continue going surfing because I love it. It's
Speaker 1: hasn't like somehow doing what I love for a living
Speaker 1: hasn't sucked that up, which I loved that about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I can suck it up for a lot of Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, even for me, I've haunted a lot over
Speaker 1: the last decade and it doesn't matter. Yeah, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just my mind goes to I can get it. I
Speaker 1: can be home for about a week and if I
Speaker 1: haven't thought about hunting or doing something hunting related, I
Speaker 1: get depressed, seriously depressed. My wife has seen that in
Speaker 1: me and has said like, if you gotta go, you
Speaker 1: gotta go. And we're talking about your wife as well,
Speaker 1: like being away traveling the world doing your thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a a job that takes you away all
Speaker 1: over the world all the time, and I do as well.
Speaker 1: But my wife said something that recently about I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you have a passion. She was like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I want you to be here, and I want and
Speaker 1: I know you want to be here, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you have something that you love so much
Speaker 1: that you can go do it and come back. Like
Speaker 1: I'd much rather that than you sit around here and
Speaker 1: and go to work round the nine to five and
Speaker 1: come home watch TV. It's like, I'm much rather to
Speaker 1: have that. And I was like, I love you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's very unusual, I think, But I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's She's right. I think it's true.
Speaker 1: You much rather have that and be be pulled in
Speaker 1: two directions then just pulled in one direction, you know,
Speaker 1: if it's you know, work, family, work is also your passion,
Speaker 1: the thing you want to do. Life's way Richard. For that,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who are married out there
Speaker 1: whose wife fell in love with them because they were
Speaker 1: this person who had all his passion, and then to
Speaker 1: get married, and then all of a sudden they get
Speaker 1: grief for going and doing all the things they love
Speaker 1: to do because they're not home as much. And then
Speaker 1: a lot of people stop doing what they want to
Speaker 1: do and love a whole lot and stop pursuing their passions,
Speaker 1: and then for the wife, and then the wife's like,
Speaker 1: I don't like this guy anymore. He's kind of boring,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like you gotta be unapologetically, you know,
Speaker 1: pursuing your passion no matter what. That's who makes us
Speaker 1: who we are. And hunting is part of me is
Speaker 1: who I am now, straight up and that's the truth,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to hide that fact. And um,
Speaker 1: my wife knows that. And if I'm like being a
Speaker 1: dick around the house, she'll call my my buddies and
Speaker 1: be like, look, shame's being a dick. He needs to
Speaker 1: go hiding for real. You guys need to plan something
Speaker 1: and go hunting. I've got that problem, same same problem,
Speaker 1: Like around the house is an issue, but we were
Speaker 1: out there. So we're out camping, you know, in relative
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, and like you could see it on
Speaker 1: your face and I'm sure you could probably see it
Speaker 1: on my face, like we are more comfortable, enjoyous and
Speaker 1: in our element in that place. Take us to town,
Speaker 1: put us in an airport. We're not that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's probably I think surfing probably, I'm sure did
Speaker 1: that for you. But um, hunting is just like a
Speaker 1: derivative of one to be away and be disconnected and
Speaker 1: be you know, more connected. We were in camp with
Speaker 1: five people and I felt like the conversation around the campfire,
Speaker 1: we're better than you know, more laughs, more of just bullshit.
Speaker 1: Then you could recreate in any circumstances. No restaurant, no
Speaker 1: dinner party, nothing could recreate that. There's just no small
Speaker 1: talk either. Yeah, he's around the campfire, so it's like
Speaker 1: there's silence is fine, and then if you're laughing, cracking
Speaker 1: jokes or telling hunting stories or whatever, it is great.
Speaker 1: But if you have nothing to say, you guys can
Speaker 1: just chill out there. Everybody's there for the same reason.
Speaker 1: You know, I just unplugged for a few days. Food
Speaker 1: tastes better. Yeah, all foods. Somehow it tastes better. I
Speaker 1: would can tuna yesterday, and the ship is great. It's canned.
Speaker 1: Dune is delicious. Uh, sleep is somehow better, Like not
Speaker 1: having a shower doesn't bother me at all when I'm
Speaker 1: in that situation. Going to sleep dirty with face paint
Speaker 1: on your face is something so good about that. I
Speaker 1: borrowed one of your kids pillows from his bed, and
Speaker 1: I felt so bad, dude, like face paint just like
Speaker 1: my face and printed on his pillow or Jackson. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking that I'd wake up and be like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm it's five in the morning. And I went to
Speaker 1: sleep at a ten thirty and I walked eleven miles
Speaker 1: yesterday and this is, and I'm I feel good. I
Speaker 1: don't feel tired, I don't feel depressed. I don't feel
Speaker 1: anxiety or stress, even though the thing I'm doing is
Speaker 1: way harder than what I do on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Heny well, I like it. Yeah, I love it too.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could ever get I mean, I
Speaker 1: say this because I live in civilization. But like when
Speaker 1: I wake up in the middle of night and opened
Speaker 1: my eyes and I'm in a tent, and I was
Speaker 1: ship I'm camping. Yes, I'm in a tent. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sleeping pad, Like there's something so good about it, Like
Speaker 1: I like romanticized the thought of camping. But I swear
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm a better version of myself
Speaker 1: when I'm out there and dirty and hunter all day
Speaker 1: and I'm tired and I worked my ass off and
Speaker 1: and I got frustrated because I missed or whatever it was, like,
Speaker 1: whatever the story was, whether it's success or or sorrow
Speaker 1: or frustration or whatever it was, it's like just being
Speaker 1: out there with your buddies and doing what we were Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's what I was meant to do.
Speaker 1: You know, and that's why like food taste better and
Speaker 1: even for me. I figured this out earlier this year.
Speaker 1: I've said this before on this little podcast show that
Speaker 1: every year I try to at least once a year
Speaker 1: whenever it is. I don't just sit down on like
Speaker 1: a day, but I try to sit down once a
Speaker 1: year and then re examined my hunting, like what's changed over,
Speaker 1: what did I learn over the last year, Like what
Speaker 1: won't I do anymore? What do I do, whether it's gear,
Speaker 1: tactics or just just things that I won't do, like
Speaker 1: way as it weighs, I won't represent myself, or types
Speaker 1: of hunts I'll never do again, or types of once
Speaker 1: I want to do every year, things like that, like
Speaker 1: re examine type of hunter I am. But then it
Speaker 1: comes to like trips like we just had that felt
Speaker 1: like just pure, like everything was right, the place, the people.
Speaker 1: That's when for me, you're at that heightened sense of
Speaker 1: like it's just straight up joy. We we hunted in
Speaker 1: the rain, We hunted all day long. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I was eating like candy bars, a shitty tuna yesterday,
Speaker 1: sitting in the sun, like loving life. No no sheep around,
Speaker 1: no move flowing around the hunt. But it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. Uh, And I can't. I I wonder
Speaker 1: how people that listen to this, that maybe don't hunt
Speaker 1: or have familiars don't hunt, see here that and it
Speaker 1: translates to them, because I'm not sure what other people's
Speaker 1: lives have or their passion is about. You and I
Speaker 1: are about bow hunting in the freaking mill of nowhere.
Speaker 1: As you know, I can't imagine sitting in a chair
Speaker 1: watching football getting anything close to what we got. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: every everybody has their thing that you know that you
Speaker 1: know helps him deal with stress, and everybody has their
Speaker 1: thing that helps them like become who they are a
Speaker 1: better person and who they are, And um, I mean
Speaker 1: some of those people's ideas of of what's good for
Speaker 1: their stress levels or whatever is my worst nightmare and
Speaker 1: sleeping in a tent and being dirty is most people's
Speaker 1: worst nightmare. Yeah, that's why, that's why it's cool. That's why,
Speaker 1: that's why you want to talk about behind the people
Speaker 1: and they're just looking at me like, the hell are
Speaker 1: you talking about? Cannot relate to you at all? The
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? You're out they're killing animals? You
Speaker 1: know that's all they think is a ballot or whatever,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing you can tell those people to explain anything,
Speaker 1: so it's even really trying so well. We were riding
Speaker 1: in to have breakfast this morning, baby, wiping the face paint,
Speaker 1: like three day old face paint off our faces so
Speaker 1: we could go have a pancake, and I get stared at.
Speaker 1: I was like, this moment is badass, you know, like
Speaker 1: you have it, And I was thinking the same thing
Speaker 1: around that time when I'm wiping the face paint off.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time. I'm not that vain
Speaker 1: a person or whatever, but I spent last time looking
Speaker 1: in the mirror every day. I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time caring about what my clothes look like or what like.
Speaker 1: I spent a good amount of time on that stuff,
Speaker 1: probably average, but still I spend time working around with that.
Speaker 1: When you're out camping, just wake up and the clothes
Speaker 1: you have on, and then you put a pack on
Speaker 1: and go. As long as you're warm or dry, that's
Speaker 1: only thing that matters. Doesn't matter what you fucking look like.
Speaker 1: And we put face paint on it. We weren't over
Speaker 1: there like drawing, you know, writing your kids initials. Face man,
Speaker 1: we were just covering our stupid faces up so that
Speaker 1: she wouldn't see it well and as fast as possible
Speaker 1: so we could get hunting. Yeah. Yeah, there was no
Speaker 1: art to it. Gnarly. Yeah, that's my one of my
Speaker 1: favorite parts. But this, yeah, the hunt we did kind
Speaker 1: of combine being out in the wilderness and archery and
Speaker 1: you know, camping and like all the best things. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think for sure it ticked every single box that
Speaker 1: I could ever want you hunting, from the camping part
Speaker 1: to the camaraderie with really good people and like learning
Speaker 1: I mean uh, I mean, like uh, one of the
Speaker 1: guys on our on our trip, John, he had um.
Speaker 1: I hadn't met him before, so I couldn't meet meet
Speaker 1: new have new friends. And it just there was like
Speaker 1: such a everybody jelled super well and there was you know,
Speaker 1: let just everything was epic across the board. I think
Speaker 1: that's the only way to fly. And we were talking
Speaker 1: about this on the drive up here too. Is that
Speaker 1: the hunting community, you know, which you came into more
Speaker 1: recently than a lot of folks, is like has missed
Speaker 1: that a little bit, you know, has missed a little
Speaker 1: bit of the experience. And again, like you said, everybody
Speaker 1: gets on podcast now and talks about that like you
Speaker 1: can say it, and that's almost virtue signaling at some point,
Speaker 1: like hey, i'm it's more about than just the killing.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, yeah that's true. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you tell your story, like when I hang out
Speaker 1: with you and we talked about honey, we don't immediately
Speaker 1: start flipping out pictures of dead ship and flipping through
Speaker 1: it like trading cards. We don't do that. That's that's
Speaker 1: not because we're trying to make each other, you know,
Speaker 1: im press each other about art, but it's because we
Speaker 1: fucking love it. And there's all million things to talk about.
Speaker 1: There's a million things to talk about rather than just
Speaker 1: the killing of the thing of the animal. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about about all this is like just
Speaker 1: being there and learning about new animals and where they live,
Speaker 1: like in the terrain, like whether it's access dear on
Speaker 1: Lanai or Maori, whatever it is, like where they live
Speaker 1: and they thrive and they're in their element and they're
Speaker 1: like their way of hiding, of running, of sleeping, all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Just learning the ways of an access dear.
Speaker 1: You can't be kidding me. That's the best thing on earth.
Speaker 1: Learning the ways of muflon Rams and the mountains in
Speaker 1: Hawaii is that's incredible. There, those creatures and the way
Speaker 1: they are, the way they run, the way they bought
Speaker 1: each other. How crazy was that when they're ramming each
Speaker 1: other in the heads, that was crazy. They butt heads.
Speaker 1: They did this full on, like square off thing where
Speaker 1: they go whack back and they literally are fighting over
Speaker 1: the chicks right in front of you, and just their markings,
Speaker 1: the white on their their big old white saddle and
Speaker 1: big black beard and the giant horns, and they walk
Speaker 1: around like they're the ship, like they're like the king. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then juxtaposition to you're watching that and then about
Speaker 1: three or four hours later, it gets dark, just sitting
Speaker 1: around the campfire and somebody hands you a plate with
Speaker 1: bacon wrapped move flaw on that you just it's all
Speaker 1: walking around like that is. Man. If there, if there's
Speaker 1: not a better way to interact with nature, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody should tell me. Because you're interacting with it, appreciating it,
Speaker 1: taking from it only what you need, and being nourished
Speaker 1: by Like come on, man, there there's a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to interact with nature, and not all of them
Speaker 1: are good. A lot of them that are non hunting
Speaker 1: ways are great. But that's a pretty damn fullproof way
Speaker 1: in my opinion. It's pretty cool when it comes full
Speaker 1: circle during the hunt. You know, like a lot of
Speaker 1: times you go hunting, if you have success that you
Speaker 1: clean that animal or you or you like you, you
Speaker 1: quarter it and take it to a butcher. I don't know,
Speaker 1: everyone's different, but and then you you know, you go home,
Speaker 1: you process it new burger, or you freeze it, and
Speaker 1: then you'd like, you know, a month later, a week later,
Speaker 1: you do de frosted and make a stake for your family.
Speaker 1: That's great, and that's awesome, and I do it all
Speaker 1: the time. But those days where you walk back to
Speaker 1: camp with a backstrap and you get that backstrap out
Speaker 1: and you put some Montreal steaks. He's not even put
Speaker 1: on the fire and all the boys are eating it
Speaker 1: right then. The thing was walking around two hours ago.
Speaker 1: It's like there's something about that that is just so Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's living man. Yeah, yeah, we're just kind of like
Speaker 1: this podcast is just catching you and I coming off
Speaker 1: of the high of doing this ship. So hopefully people
Speaker 1: that are listening. Can hear it in our voices, like
Speaker 1: we're not We're not making this up. We're not saying
Speaker 1: we're excited. We're not trying to convince anybody go do
Speaker 1: what we did. I like, it's not for everybody. A boy.
Speaker 1: I love talking about it and I love doing it.
Speaker 1: And if I hope it comes through in this because
Speaker 1: it's certainly when I go home, I wouldn't be like
Speaker 1: you said, to flip it through my phone if you
Speaker 1: love my kid too. Though I look look at pictures
Speaker 1: of my kids like, oh that's cute, I love that kid,
Speaker 1: But then I flipped, oh, hunting, love that too. I
Speaker 1: want to hear what. I want to see that when
Speaker 1: I have those memories, because they're they're the memories. Are
Speaker 1: are what all about? Man? And you and I've hunted
Speaker 1: New Zealand and I here now together, Like there's some
Speaker 1: great memories in that, and you know that was there's
Speaker 1: some I have a lot of perspective on life that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have otherwise. And these are not you know,
Speaker 1: going to hunting public land and in New Zealand is
Speaker 1: not some you know, aristocracy activity. It's not only for
Speaker 1: fancy rich people. Anybody for anybody can have that. If
Speaker 1: they want that adventure and they desire that, you can
Speaker 1: go get it. It's out there. Yeah, and you can
Speaker 1: come here and hunt too. I mean it's not you know,
Speaker 1: there's public places to hunt, here, ways to do it.
Speaker 1: It's gotta dude research. So we're an hour and we
Speaker 1: gotta go pick up your daughter and she had school
Speaker 1: or ballet. All right, We're gonna take some some questions
Speaker 1: here real quick. I've been doing this and it may
Speaker 1: or may not work. People that are listening, right and
Speaker 1: tell me if it's lame or it actually works. Is
Speaker 1: this on your Instagram? Yeah? Looking at them. It's the
Speaker 1: story questions. Hopefully there's some good ones. See. Oh well,
Speaker 1: we already covered this one. This is a sweet Camo girl.
Speaker 1: What a sweet came A girl. He's a big Listen
Speaker 1: that she says, where do you find more peace in
Speaker 1: the woods or in the water? Yeah? I think we
Speaker 1: answered that. Yeah, but that's a huge part of the
Speaker 1: reason that I love bow hunting is the same as
Speaker 1: surfing is is uh, the stress level goes way down
Speaker 1: down for sure. We say woods like on a quickally,
Speaker 1: what you say on a clivically woods is the place
Speaker 1: over the water. Yeah, because bow hunting, I mean surfing.
Speaker 1: I'm usually surfing with the people. Yeah, probably half the
Speaker 1: bow hunting I do, if not more. I'm by myself.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love a bow hunting by myself.
Speaker 1: H me too. Um, we're talking about that in camp today,
Speaker 1: Like Jonathan Hart was in a camp and with the
Speaker 1: founder Sit Kenny. He was saying he loves hunting in pairs,
Speaker 1: like he loves the strategy. He loves like you go
Speaker 1: this way, I'll go that way, you glass, I'll go
Speaker 1: He loves that back and forth, and both of you
Speaker 1: and I were saying that. Yeah, but hunting by yourself
Speaker 1: is pretty freaking awesome too. Yeah, Like there's not one
Speaker 1: is better than the other. And that's what makes it
Speaker 1: so cool, is is I mean hunting with a friend too,
Speaker 1: and being being right there when your friend is to
Speaker 1: full draw and you see that all happening in real time,
Speaker 1: and then if you're the guy there and your friends
Speaker 1: right behind you and the pressure is on and he's
Speaker 1: gonna watch you make that shot. That's to share that
Speaker 1: experience with a really close friend like that is it's
Speaker 1: really freaky cool. And your friendships are made closer by
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, like and to hug it out right afterwards,
Speaker 1: you see, I don't go down and you hug and
Speaker 1: scream like little girls. Day two, we were hunting in
Speaker 1: the pouring rain after this giant ram and you went
Speaker 1: up this hill because like we thought we were gonna
Speaker 1: kill it. You went up this little rise and I
Speaker 1: stayed at the bottom and they were just on the
Speaker 1: other side. They were just like thirty yards on the
Speaker 1: other side. And this is the ram of a life
Speaker 1: time and I'm down there. I was not. I couldn't
Speaker 1: never been more excited than any moment of my life
Speaker 1: other than like the birth of my son or something
Speaker 1: like that. I was. I was back there going like
Speaker 1: my hands were shaking. I'm like, draw, draw, He's gonna
Speaker 1: do it. He's gonna be there, He's gonna be there,
Speaker 1: like super disappointed when he wasn't there. But that even
Speaker 1: just being on the sidelines for somebody else, Well, when
Speaker 1: you when you when you're with your buddy and one
Speaker 1: of you shoots and makes it happen and it all
Speaker 1: goes down, you're like you're there's someone right there to
Speaker 1: give you that feedback, which is amazing. But when there's
Speaker 1: nobody there to give you that feedback. It's amazing you're
Speaker 1: just standing there. Do you ever just like when when
Speaker 1: you're standing there with your bone, you're looking down your
Speaker 1: but I just did that, this just happened. I need
Speaker 1: to go there clean that animal right now. You walk
Speaker 1: up and you get your meat bag out in your knife,
Speaker 1: and it's just you, your knife, your meat bag, and animal,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's just like you could have sucked
Speaker 1: the shut up. You can suck up that too. That
Speaker 1: things you just sitting there, and the longer you wait,
Speaker 1: you know, you can easily mess up the meat. Care
Speaker 1: a part of it, and that's that part is like
Speaker 1: a whole other pot cast. Yeah, well that that's too.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you do the same as I do. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when I shoot an animal and I'm by myself and
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, I just look around.
Speaker 1: I just make sure to take look around and take
Speaker 1: it all in and from and just look around, look
Speaker 1: at where I am and think about how I got here,
Speaker 1: and then just be present for a minute rather than like,
Speaker 1: oh I got a million things to do. I got
Speaker 1: It's like give it a minute. Give it a minute,
Speaker 1: because especially for me, hunting in Hawaii for muflan in
Speaker 1: a beautiful place is not something you know, maybe I'll
Speaker 1: never get to do it again, hope not. But like
Speaker 1: it's worthy of it's worthy of some reverence in the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see what we'll we'll see what else we got?
Speaker 1: We got well this, uh who whiskey? Pete asks, what's
Speaker 1: your ideal surf and turf combo that you can harvest yourself?
Speaker 1: Like if you spearfish maybe, and you I'd say on
Speaker 1: no tacos and and um on no is a Hawaiian
Speaker 1: where for wah who I think you got? Wah who? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So whah who tacos um and then I'd go with
Speaker 1: access dear, access to your backstrap or access to your
Speaker 1: tennetline one or the other. Yeah. If anybody has an
Speaker 1: argument against that, then go fund yourself. That's pretty hard
Speaker 1: to beat that. That's delicious. Um. See if we got
Speaker 1: one more good one here? Oh we we've already covered
Speaker 1: a lot of these awesome questions. That means we're doing
Speaker 1: our jobs. What was the moment that hooked you? What
Speaker 1: was the ultimate moment that hooked you on bow hunting?
Speaker 1: Was there one moment Shane Dorian. This is from Toby McNeil. Uh. Honestly.
Speaker 1: The thing that really sunk it self into me where
Speaker 1: I knew there was no turning back is after I
Speaker 1: read Cameron Haynes's book Back Country bow Hunting. I got
Speaker 1: so inspired by that book. I knew very little about
Speaker 1: bow hunting at the time, but I could shoot about
Speaker 1: twenty five yards. And I read that book and in
Speaker 1: the book, for those who haven't read it, you should
Speaker 1: read it right away. Epic. But he he talks all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I was just such a novice. It was
Speaker 1: all news to me. But he went into like his
Speaker 1: experiences of like planning and training floor and setting up
Speaker 1: these rad backguard drew bo hunting missions with his buddy
Speaker 1: or by himself, and it got me so inspired. I
Speaker 1: went out and and got like all the ultra light,
Speaker 1: get like a ultra light. I was so excited. I
Speaker 1: cut um ultra light, sleeping bag and ultra lights, still
Speaker 1: little cap stove and like the tent, and I just
Speaker 1: went rogue. I started like doing. I did one big
Speaker 1: trip in the mountains by myself here uh here in Hawaii,
Speaker 1: and carried all my own water and as in the mountains,
Speaker 1: and I killed a big ram and I walked back
Speaker 1: to my tent with fresh meat and cooked it up
Speaker 1: on the fire and like that was it. Now. I
Speaker 1: remember like looking around under the stars eating my round
Speaker 1: that I just killed and in my tent, and I
Speaker 1: just was like, you gotta be kidding me. I've never
Speaker 1: This is like if I thought I had lived a
Speaker 1: hundred percent before that, I hadn't. You know. It was
Speaker 1: like a whole I take that away from this podcast
Speaker 1: living like yeah, yeah, I think at the base of
Speaker 1: our human DNA, we're trying to like max our potential.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you're a seven year old soccer player,
Speaker 1: you're trying to maximize your potential, like the absolute top.
Speaker 1: And I there's those those fleeting moments in life as
Speaker 1: a human. I think where you're like, this is it
Speaker 1: right here is happening, and as soon as you get it,
Speaker 1: it feels like it's almost gone. And that was one
Speaker 1: of those moments where I was like, this is it.
Speaker 1: It's happening right the second, take another bite. I can
Speaker 1: talk about that forever. Man. That is a great concept,
Speaker 1: and I think we're hunting is just a celebration or humanity.
Speaker 1: It's something of because we've been doing it for freaking
Speaker 1: ever millions of years. So that's a good place to
Speaker 1: end it. Um, thank you, SHANEO. Yeah, thanks for having
Speaker 1: me and it was fun. Yeah, we're gonna do it
Speaker 1: again again to podcast tomorrow. Yeah, the next day. You know,
Speaker 1: a couple of months, I'm gonna be like, hey, Ben,
Speaker 1: let's do a podcast pretty soon. You can be podcasts lately.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be We did do another episode, man, Honey, honey,
Speaker 1: me and Ben are gonna do a podcast again. Honey,
Speaker 1: we really got We're working on the scheduling for by.
Speaker 1: It's a seven day podcast. It's in the him Alaya.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. Yeah, all right, thanks bro cool,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's it. That's all episode the thirty four
Speaker 1: in the books. Thank you to Shane Dorian, his wife Lisa,
Speaker 1: and his two awesome kids, Charlie Jackson for let me
Speaker 1: stay at their place, run around Hawaii with them, learn
Speaker 1: about the culture, learn about the hunting there, and do
Speaker 1: all the week did. It was an awesome trip and
Speaker 1: I appreciate their hospitality. I hope you learned a lot
Speaker 1: from the conversation. That's Shane is one of my favorite
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