WEBVTT - Ep. 34: Shane Dorian 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.640 Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number thirty four of The 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:09.639 Hunting Collective. I'm Bet O'Brien in today. I am in Kona, Hawaii, 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.160 at the home of legendary surfer and all around badass 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.239 Shane Dorian. Shane's a great friend of mine, somebody I 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.240 admired greatly for his the way he raises his kids, 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.000 the way he lives his life, all the achievements he's 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.720 had a long career and surfing and the things he 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.280 still does today. But one of my favorite things about 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.600 the guy is that he loves bow hunting and that's 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.840 really all he thinks about. It's all he thinks about, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.040 and it's the most exciting thing in his life right 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:38.240 now besides his wife and kids. And if he could 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.320 hunt every day, I'm pretty sure this guy would and 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.479 hopefully that comes through an episode number thirty four of 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:48.120 the podcast. We were on Hawaii to run around, have 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:52.120 a good time with our bows and tow and it 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.080 was a memorable experience to be there with Shane. So 0:00:55.120 --> 0:01:19.920 without further ado, Shane Dorian. Hey, Shane Dorian, Hi, Hi, 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.440 how you doing man? Hi? Ben O'Brien, how are you? 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.640 We're doing a podcast, aren't we are. We've been talking 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.840 about doing this podcast for like a long time to 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:30.800 be bothering you really Like, You're like, I just want 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.360 to hunt. I'm like, we gotta record us talking. I guess, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.920 I guess in truth, I've been avoiding doing this podcast 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.440 for a pretty long time. Yeah, yeah, it's been I 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.880 finally just like hunting. You down to do this, but 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.800 you just like nowadays, you just like to go hunting, right, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:47.360 I mean, it's not you don't want to be your 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:51.880 own podcasts or be photographed or be made to do things. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.400 You just want to hunt. But if it means I 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.200 get to go hunting, I will. Yeah, that's it sacrifice. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.000 And so how good of an idea was it for 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.240 me to avoid doing this podcast until now because you 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.960 had to come all the way to Hawaii. Come hang on. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.720 Hopefully none of my media or ink bosses are listening 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:12.040 to this, but yes, podcasts take you places like this. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.880 So this is the first of a two part podcast 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.400 that will be continued in two thous We're gonna actually 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.200 just stop talking at some point to be continued so 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.040 we can go back camp be under the stars. Like, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.440 so we're in Hawaii, we're on the big island and 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.600 last night's moon, like where we were camping, the stars 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:39.000 was unbelievable, like blew me away. Like Hawaii sometimes just 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.400 shocks you, even though you know tourists coming here because 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.520 it's beautiful, but still it shocks you. Yeah, there's something 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.560 about I think if you're not from Hawaii, I haven't 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.320 spent time here. The mountains is not something that you 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.320 really think of. And you know, when you think of Hawaii, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.160 you're not thinking about how beautiful the mountains might be. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.240 But when you're up in the mountains camping with your 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.920 buddies and fires go on and everyone's telling stories, drinking 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.200 cold beers after hunting all day, it's doesn't get any 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.600 better than now. Yeah, last night definitely was was that good. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:11.040 But now we're at the Dorian Residence, um and done 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.720 hunting and uh, getting ready to fly back to Montana. 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:18.600 I don't want to go back. I'd like to stay here. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.160 How how how cold is it in Montana right now? 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.640 It's got to be like twenty degrees it's probably Yeah, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:31.240 it's like seventy two degrees here beautiful. Um. For those 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.959 who don't know, Well, let's let's go back to when 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.000 you were a young gram as you as you guys 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:42.000 stay down here um surfing. I mean, most folks will 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.200 know you as being a big wave surfer. Um. But 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.440 you grew up doing you know, surfing, living in Hawaii, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.080 living that lifestyle. Give people a snapshot of what that 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.920 was like what when you came up. I think pretty 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.520 much nobody who listens to your podcast knows who the 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.720 hell I am. So you know, who's like that guy 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:07.160 that hunts with campaigns? Um. Yeah. My story is basically 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.520 I was born and raised in a little town called 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.040 Kona on the big Island of White and just um 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.320 grew up in the seventies and grew up surfing. My 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.600 family had a little restaurant down to the beach, and 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:20.640 so I just grew up on the sand every day. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.760 I just you know, that's where I learned to walk 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.800 and learn to swim and learn to body surf and 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.680 learned to fish and learn to you know, go diving 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.200 and all that stuff. So I just kind of, you know, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.720 grew up in the ocean and made all my friends 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.920 to resurfing. And that's kind of what I did every summer, 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.680 every every school break, um, after school. It's kind of 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.359 consumed everything. Yeah, were there any when you're growing up, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.560 Were there like some you know, there's so much culture here, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.800 there's so many shared ideas just the way it happens 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:49.200 in this part of the world. Looking back on your childhood, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.080 were there anything that any philosophies are just ways of 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.200 life that made you who you are today, are even 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:02.400 big shared ideas? I think I don't know. Um, probably 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.760 being really respectful at a really young age is like 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.400 integral and kind of mandatory in Hawaii. Like, um, you know, 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.479 in Hawaii, we have a you know, this dynamic between 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.040 the the like local Hawaiian people who have been here 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.719 for you know, hundreds of years and had a totally 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.880 um undisturbed lifestyle for a very long time before you know, uh, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:27.880 white people whatever you wanna call them, got here and 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:32.240 basically changed everything. And so there's still this dynamic that 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.320 is there. Um. And so I think it's just the 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.880 vibe in Hawaii is really awesome, and it's really great 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.760 and I but I think you just kind of learned 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.479 to really respect everybody and and show people respect in 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.719 Hawaii's kind of If you don't do that, you like 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.039 learn pretty quickly that this is not the place for you. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.040 So Um, that's definitely something I think that that is 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:54.520 a that is I think no matter where you visit 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.200 in Hawaii, that's that's something that um. I don't know 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.120 how to explain that really in any other way. It 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.520 um and it's not I'm I'm sure it's like that 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.000 everywhere in the world, but definitely in Hawaii. It it 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.960 really stands out a lot. Yeah, I mean that's growing up, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:12.480 you know, being in school and being around um, you know, 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.520 just a lot of people and this and now it 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.880 definitely stands out. Yeah. I mean, there's just certain places 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:18.880 in the world where you know, like a Hollywood producer 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:20.240 would come be like, I can make a show out 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.839 of that because there's connective tissue things that happen here 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.000 that just don't happen in other places. You know, there's 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.280 a lot of TV shows based in Louisiana around the 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.679 Cajun culture. What that means this is the Hawaiian culture 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:35.040 is is similarly interesting to me because there's just a 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:36.599 lot of things that go on here that don't in 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.600 other places. You know, I'm sure it's you can tell 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.560 me if I'm wrong, but there's you know, food and 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.400 family and you know, everybody's an uncle everybody you know 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:49.559 that culture is is powerful. Yeah. To me, it's funny. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.680 I feel like, um, in the US, the two states 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.359 that are more like their own countries are Hawaiian Texas. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.600 You know, not that I visited all everywhere in the US, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.159 but tech this really kind of stands out as having 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:05.400 its own culture, having things that are really like unique 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.800 to Texas. And I feel like Hawaii is kind of 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.400 the same thing. If you come to Hawaii, it's almost 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:10.960 you feel like you went out of the country. It's 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.240 totally different, different culture, different kind of people, different kind 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.920 of food, different kind of way of life. You know, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.240 it's just um. Yeah, but I like it a lot, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.720 like the slow pace of life. And I've traveled a 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.920 lot in my life, and Hawaii has always been the 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:26.480 place I always wanted to come home to and happy 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.880 to be born and raised here. Yeah. I mean in 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.800 your late teens and you start you surf throughout your childhood, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.800 but then your late teens, uh, things started to get serious. Yeah, 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.640 So I got really into the surfing thing and got 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.400 pretty good at it. So I started doing a lot 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.320 of like amateur competitions, and then I ended up wanting 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.160 to pursue it as a whatever you want to call that, 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.640 um as a job, I guess. And so I moved 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.320 over to a law who by myself and went to 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.640 high school there kind of put myself. UM. I'd work 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.960 in the summers here at home on the Big Island, 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:59.920 and then I would save about my money and I 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.760 shipped my car over to Oahu which each year and 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.520 stay there to serve big waves and you know, train 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.040 and and uh compete against all the best kids. And 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:15.720 then I uh graduated to high school and UH kind 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.600 of chased my dream to become a pro server, which 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.600 is uh, you know, I basically traveled around the world 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.680 for about fifteen years competing full time. And you had 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.720 you're telling me about a documentary that's coming out on 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:32.440 HBO that kind of chronicles that time. You know, that 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.480 time in your life and the friends you came up 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.160 with and the filmmakers you worked with, Like there's some 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:41.080 revolutionary ship going on there. Yeah, it's it's kind of 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.199 a it's a funny story that I we never really 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.199 thought would be told, um in this way, but yeah, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.800 moment it's called a momentum Generation and it's a documentary 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:56.000 film that's being uh put out a HBO and it's 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.640 really good. Actually, it's great. It kind of chronicles a 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.559 time I'm that was setting like the late nineties, early 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.640 two thousand's actually like mid nineties, early two thousands, where 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.520 our group of friends were all the same age and 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.480 really good at surfing. We're all kind of coming up, uh, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.000 a few of us from Hawaii, a few of us 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.800 from California, a couple from Florida. And then we all 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.720 basically became friends because we were all pursuing the same 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.240 dream and a lot of us came kind of like 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.800 from broken homes and kind of crazy families, and then 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.080 so being on the road, like our friends are sort 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.920 of our friendship became our family. And so we traveled 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.760 together and hung out together and lived together for like 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.880 ten years, and it kind of tells that story. It's 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.240 pretty cool, pretty cool, Yeah, transformative for you. I mean, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.480 like I can't begin to ask you. I'm sure there's 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.920 a million stories you could tell about that time, like 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.439 how many countries did you surfing? How many places did 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.480 you go? How many nights did you spend in hotels 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.600 or hostiles or wherever the hell you stay? We would 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.120 basically there was a group of us that were kind 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.320 of like between eight and eight and twelve people, and 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.120 we would go to like a European leg of the 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:08.199 tour where we'd serve in um France, Spain, and Portugal 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.679 and do like two events in each country or three 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.400 events in each country, and so we'd be there for 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.560 like two like two and a half months of the year, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:16.760 and we'd go and we'd rent a couple of houses 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:18.320 and rent a few rent of cars, and so they 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.080 be like six of us in each rount of car 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.640 with like a with like giant board bags, Like each 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.360 one of us would have like six or eight boards 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.440 in a big board bag on top of the car. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.679 And this is back in the day when there's no phones, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.120 like you'd literally have like a like a map, like 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.640 a rental car map, and be like driving from Spain 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.960 to Portugal or to France, and we're just a bunch 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.000 little kids, like you know, nineteen twenty years old. We'd 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.760 get there and the place we thought we had we 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:42.520 didn't have, so we'd end up like sleeping on the 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.920 beach and our board bags and freezing to death, and 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.360 then we'd have to surf and contest the next day. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.680 But we kind of just like grew up on airplanes 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:55.240 and grew up traveling by ourselves with no parental supervision 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.200 and no one telling us to, you know, go to 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.120 sleep early, no one telling us to prepare for the contest, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.319 no one, no one telling us to not chase girls, 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.559 no one, you know, And it was so it was 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.959 it was a really fun time to be that age 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.320 and a really amazing way to grow up, for sure. Yeah, 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.800 I mean would you uh, how would you categorize that 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.480 reckless living? Or did was it just was it calculated 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.720 like we're driven, I want to win, I'm here to win, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.160 or was it more just like I'm having a good 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.079 time rolling my boys, doing my thing. It was more 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.960 of the ladder for me. I mean there, that's that's 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.600 what's interesting about the story. And if if anybody wants 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.520 to to see the film, um, it will be on 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:37.280 HBO really soon here, uh, depending on when people listen 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.319 to the podcast, but um, like no, I think it's 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.600 like November eleven on HBO two thousand eighteen. It'll be 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:48.400 out there for everybody to see on HBO. So um 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:50.280 so yeah, like for for for me and a few 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.480 of the guys, we were more casual. I was trying 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.160 really hard to to win, and I was competing and 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.040 trying to compete for a world title, and and for 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.160 a few years, and I definitely got really serious. But 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.320 there was a couple of us that became extremely serious 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:05.959 like pursuing those goals and pursuing the world title year 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.520 after year. And it really took its toll personally on 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.600 on for those couple of people, and then it also 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.440 took a toll on our friendship just in general. Um, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.600 And so that that's a really um there's there's a 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.720 lot of parts of that story that are really interesting. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.920 And but our our collective group is still super super 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.120 tight now that we're kind of like most of us 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.559 are retired from full time competition. There's only one of us, um, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.480 Kelly Slater, that is doing his last full year right 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.000 now of competition. So so yeah, we're we're still a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.440 very tight knit group of friends that um, we're all 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.880 most of us are all in our forties now. So yeah, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.280 we can kind of like look back on the on 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.080 that time of growing up and just go, what the 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:46.960 hell house, how do we get so lucky? You know, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.920 because that was a wild way to grow up, in 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.080 a wild way to be you know, eighteen years old 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.840 and I was a two younger around a car and 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.400 I was traveling, you know, like eight percent of the 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.480 time out of the country. Yeah, there's nuts and he 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.079 never like I find with things like that, you just 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.720 didn't plan. That was just what you did to surf, like, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.200 you just did it to serve man. I mean, I 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.080 was like, what what job can I do to where 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.880 I can surf as much as possible and see the 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.880 most of the world and surf the most waves and 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.880 welcome to everybody in the hunting industry, Like, yeah, what 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.960 job can I do so you can hunt the most 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.080 the world? Shoot my bow? That's right with my buds. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:23.959 There's a lot of parallels, right, Yeah, there is a 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.240 lot of parallels. Because if there was, if there was 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.840 a hunting World Tour, goddamn right, I'd be on it. Yeah, 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.000 I'd I'd make you come with me. We'll roll around. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.680 That's the goals. Someday we're on you know, we're gonna 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.320 be on the bow Hunting World Tour. We'll just make 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.920 it up in our minds. Yeah, we'll just say, hey, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.520 we're going on the world Tour hunting. We'll be back 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:42.760 in a couple of months. Everyone's like, what are you 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.439 talking about. That's the world tour. It's the World's very costly. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.480 We're poor. But yeah, you were telling me, like most 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.000 surfers even today are poor, Like, oh yeah, even the 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.200 pro surfers, I know, we're talking about that. It's like, um, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.360 there's there's a lot of people that are really chasing 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.560 the dream and they just doing it just because they 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.240 love the lifestyle and want to travel and see the world, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.880 and and that's their dreams to is to you know, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.240 surf full time. So it's it's it's definitely a grind, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.240 it definitely. You know, from the outside it looks really 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.520 you know, there's a lot of there's a lot of 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:16.760 upside there, but if you do it for a living, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.080 it's it's like everything has it's good parts and it's 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.200 bad parts, but it's I've been really lucky. I've been 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.200 doing it for a very long time. So yeah, I mean, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.480 and what you do is dangerous. It's not. For those 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.760 who aren't initiated to what exactly Shane is talking about. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.320 You have to go just search Shane Doran Jaws or 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.160 really just Shane Door. Yeah, Shane Jourdan surfing and watch 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.960 the videos of this this man going down a wall 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:44.160 of water how many stories high? I think sixty ft 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.920 or something sixty ft high? Uh, and surfing along it 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.880 like it's nothing, and doing that day after day and 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.960 those types of scenarios or or year after year. Like, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.000 did you describe to people kind of what it is 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:03.560 to or undertake something like that? I mean, it's true. Yeah, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.640 So I mean I I So I competed full time 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.840 for like eleven or twelve years or like fifteen years really, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.200 but like anyway, um, and then I got really burnt 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.360 out come competition. Then I I decided to stop competing. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.200 So I decided to stop competing and pursue big wave surfing. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.520 So I always always always super passionate about chasing big 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.920 swells around, and I never really had the time when 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.160 I was competing full time. So I ended up putting 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.480 a lot of time and effort into chasing giant waves 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.520 as soon as I was done competing, and that became 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.960 my my focus and my that's what I was just 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.480 like super motivated to do. And so I train year 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:45.200 round and get really physically and mentally, um psychologically fit 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:48.280 for surfing the kind of waves that no one wants 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.720 to surf, and um, yeah, I love I love it, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.640 I still do it. Yeah, you were saying that in 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.240 the in the ride up here today that um, it's 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.960 not up there's physical part of what you do on 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:05.200 the big wave side, but it's mental. It's like what's 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.600 that what's that look like in your mind? Yeah, I 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.240 mean as far as like I mean, like we're talking 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:12.960 about the kind of waves that a lot of people 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.000 have drowned in. I've I've lost like a lot of 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.400 friends who have died surfing big waves, and and in 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.720 those kind of conditions, it's like, you know, you might 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:22.760 you might wait six months for one of those swells 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.000 or a year for one of those swells, and on 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.800 that day when the when the waves are giant, you know, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.760 I mean, that's that's how call that Mother Nature makes. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.040 That's not something that you're like, Okay in May, in 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:35.840 the second week of May, the waves is gonna be giant. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.880 You just have to be like totally prepared all the time. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.520 And that's that's really different about surfing is if you 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.520 have a call for you have a cold, or you 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.640 have a sore ankle or whatever, doesn't matter the waves 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:47.280 You're still gonna be sixty ft that day in the 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.680 best day and year. So just one of those things. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.080 You got to be continuously prepared for that. And that's 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.080 what's really unique about surfing giant waves, and so from 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.800 a mental perspective, it's a lot of like being prepared training, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.400 making sure you have all the right equipment, making sure 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:03.800 your boards and you're all your gears all dialed, and 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:10.280 that you're physically and mentally fit all the time. Rain. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.520 That rain, that's good. Yeah, that's rights just started raining. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.360 We're wondering what that noise was. It was like, it's 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.399 weird in the headphones. I couldn't really tell what that was. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:23.320 It was the rain. Okay, makes it calm. Voice is 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:29.400 gonna come. Yes, it's raining for those who are listening. Um, 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.800 but I can't see where we are. It's pretty sweet. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.919 Here is your house. Yeah, man, I'm just going up here, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.119 and I'm like, I can't I can't imagine Shane Dorian 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.520 like not living on the like living on the beach. Right, 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.080 I got it here. I'm like, this is better. Like 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.240 you have a view of the ocean. It's not like 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.760 an ocean view, but you can see the ocean. But 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.960 there's all this native forest around here. It's like it's 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.639 a legit jungle. I mean, this is that's what you 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.960 how I would describe it. I mean it's beautiful four 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:59.720 thousand feet elevation and in the in the rain for 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.560 in a you know, like a native rainforest and wild 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.080 boars running around and you can just jump off the 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.880 deck with your bow and then go run around. Yeah. Man, 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.080 I every time I come to Hawaii, I feel like 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.320 I've never vacation in Hawaii. I don't know what it's 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.480 like to go to Hawaiian resort and like drink my 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.600 ties and I don't know what that's like. I've only 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.960 ever hunted here. I've only ever hunting. Every time I 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.359 hunt here, I think like this place is badass. I 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.080 don't want to tell, you know, I don't really want 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.480 to tell many people. Luckily not a lot of people 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:36.200 listen to this. But it's just like a I don't 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.480 know if it's It's New Zealands a little bit like 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.520 this too. It's just like the way these islands function, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:46.240 the different animals that differently, just the different feeling when 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.399 you come here. It's hard to describe, but you know 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.680 it well. I mean it's just you know, you've hunted around. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.640 I've hunted around. I would say that the hunting here 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.439 on the Big Island and and here on Lanai or 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.280 wherever is as unique as again. It's like just it's 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.280 a different We have our North American Madela Conservation, but 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:09.000 this one is this is not that. Um no, it's 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.439 it's it's yeah, it's definitely a lot different than there, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.840 than your mainline sort of set up. Yeah, for sure, 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:16.720 we'll get back to that. I want to get through that. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.200 We'll get through the surfing park because we have to. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.720 Then we'll get to the hunting part because we want to. Um, 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.959 but where were we with your surfing? Yeah, I mean 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.800 that's the mental state of riding a sixt wave and 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.560 not dying or you know, putting yourself in that like 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.560 immense danger willingly. Yeah, I mean that's that's what it is. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.879 It's just like being on your game is no different 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.679 from like being this is gonna sound cheesy, but like 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.119 being like doing any super dangerous job like being a 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:48.320 race car driver or whatever. It's just like you have 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:52.880 to be committed and um, in that moment you can 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:56.280 have no hesitation and no, there's no like aspect of 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.399 your mindset that's like, oh, maybe this is a bad idea. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.840 You have to be like fun, Yeah, I'm doing this 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.600 and it's and no matter what happens, no matter what 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.000 the outcome is, I'm this is happening right now, and 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.000 so it's cool. It's kind of like liberating in a 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.200